Eugene, Oregon: “We need some climate change”

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

Seems like winter has been a little cold in Oregon this year.

Opinion: We need some climate change

Beatrice Byrd
11 hrs ago

It’s been cold. I mean freezing. I mean perpetual chills running down the vertebrae of my spine and cloudy vision due to the ferocity of my teeth chattering. Not even two layers of sweaters can preclude the arctic airs that kickstart the process of my hypothermia.

We keep hearing the words “climate change” come up in the news. All I’m saying is, what could be so bad about that? I know that I, for one, need some more warmth, seeing as I almost freeze to death doing simple tasks outdoors.

NASA said, “global temperatures will continue to rise for decades,” but why is everyone freaking out? I know I don’t want to have to wear a big, honking coat every winter.

Read more: https://www.dailyemerald.com/opinion/opinion-we-need-some-climate-change/article_f5d9fa48-7a2a-11ec-b0dc-0f48b23165b2.html

Oregon is on my bucket list of places I would love to see. But I think I’ll wait until Summer to visit.

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Ron Long
January 22, 2022 2:09 am

Thanks, Eric. I was born in Eugene and my twin brother still lives there. The State Climatologist keeps western Oregon in Extreme to Severe drought (Palmer Scale) despite ahead of normal rainfall, flood warnings, and saturated soil. Oregon, like other Blue States, has made Climate Change a Woke Left political tool, and they won’t give it up until the glaciers arrive.

Ron Long
Reply to  Eric Worrall
January 22, 2022 6:40 am

It was before the Lefties took it over. I actually grew up (if that is the right term) in a small town in Oregon, Canyonville, in the heart of timber country, that is, until the Spotted Owl phony crisis came along.

Sunsettommy(@sunsetmpoutlookcom)
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Reply to  Eric Worrall
January 22, 2022 3:39 pm

I was there back in the early 1990’s when I was attending a seminar on Urban Forestry and Lanscaping there were some massive Trees in Eugene to see as part of the visit.

Like the rest of the Willamette Valley, Eugene lies in the Marine West Coast climate zone, with Mediterranean characteristics. Under the Köppen climate classification scheme, Eugene has a warm-summer Mediterranean climate (Köppen Csb).

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It rained a lot while I was there was in my early 30’s then who could shrug off the cold and damp of the trip today, I curl up under a THICK blanket to stay warm.

Sara
Reply to  Ron Long
January 22, 2022 8:03 am

Poor Beatrice. Has no one told her about thermal underwear? Here in the upper Midwest, if you go outdoors to do stuff like hike on the trails (or ski the trails, too), we know enough to wear thermals – really good ones, not some flimsy things you might get at Smallmart – and layers and heavily insulated/waterproofed boots for being outdoors.

I used to hate Chicago winters, waiting at the bus stop for a cranky driver to (FINALLY!) show up, and was grateful for the meager warmth the buses provided. And then I got smart and put my skirts for work in a carryall, wore the thickest wool coats I could find, really well-insulated boots, and thermals and hats, gloves and scarves and now, I am a Friend of the Cold.

I also look like a very pudgy soul when I go out dressed like that, but I’m warm, my camera (on a strap, tucked into my ski jacket with the lens uncovered to acclimate) is a trooper, and I have some bodacious shots of winter’s snows on seedheads waiting for Spring.

Poor Beatrice. I feel for her. EMBRACE THE COLD, BEATRICE!!! Make the cold your friend! Get out and get photos! Enjoy the World in Winter!!!

Rocketscientist
Reply to  Sara
January 22, 2022 8:17 am

Having spent my youth in Chicagoland, I’ve found very few people who understand the phase, “Nose hair freezing cold”.
Of course we always anticipated spring and the blizzards of Easter. 😉

Sara
Reply to  Rocketscientist
January 22, 2022 5:09 pm

Ah, yes! Not just “nose hair” but also the tears spewing out of your eyes in the bitter winds off Lake Michigan, were all something to remember forever! And snotsicles were a mark of honor once you got on the bus and hauled out a wad of tissues large enough to cover Lake Shore Drive! There were those winters when people would test the Will of Mother Nature by trying to walk from Chitown to South Bend, if the ice was thick enough.

Good times!!!

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Ron Long
Reply to  Sara
January 22, 2022 9:25 am

Sara, your comments remind me of the time I went to visit my parents in Oregon in the middle of winter. My father said to me “look at me smiling. Do you know why I’m smiling?” When I admitted I didn’t he replied “electric socks”.

Sara
Reply to  Ron Long
January 22, 2022 5:09 pm

Tried to find them. Found out they were all sold out to local TV weathermen!

Ellen
Reply to  Sara
January 22, 2022 10:05 am

Here in Minnesota, once the windchill goes below zero, you can wear anything that looks warm without social notice or opprobrium. Not guaranteed, but them’s the odds.

Rational Db8
Reply to  Sara
January 22, 2022 3:22 pm

Applicable anywhere it’s really cold: If We Had Some Global Warming – YouTube (song by M4WG – Minnesotans for Global Warming)

And some might find this one to be fun/interesting too – wanna live in the coldest city in the world? What We Wear at -71°C (-95°F)? Yakutia, Siberia – YouTube

Sara
Reply to  Rational Db8
January 22, 2022 5:21 pm

Now that is a lesson in what is politely called reality, RationalDb8!.

If it were possible, dropping a few of the gorebull warmers off in that area would be worth it. Yakutia is really quite beautiful, if the photos and videos I’ve seen are any hint.

Rational Db8
Reply to  Sara
January 22, 2022 6:27 pm

I agree a thousand percent about dropping a few gorebull warmers (love the phrase!) there!! I’d say let’s drop ’em all there, except I wouldn’t want to inflict them on the Yakutians. Somehow these geniuses simply don’t get the fact that we’re literally living in an ice age!

Plus, I’ve gotta say that I love those reindeer boots with the Yakutian beading!! Can’t help but suspect that one’s feet would fry in them in many places around the world tho – and certainly here in the USA desert SW – tho I’m sure they’re great in Yakutia or anywhere else that gets really cold!

To bed B
Reply to  Ron Long
January 22, 2022 12:11 pm

“and they won’t give it up until the glaciers arrive”

How naive. Every heard of climate weirding?

Ron Long
Reply to  To bed B
January 22, 2022 5:09 pm

To bed B, OK, I searched for “climate weirding?” and found that it is a recent modification of “global weirding”. This is a theory, founded on a fear of monsters lurking under their bed, advanced by idiots. You can go to bed early and without dinner.

fretslider
January 22, 2022 2:40 am

“NASA said, “global temperatures will continue to rise for decades,”

According to NASA

“ In Brief:
The effects of human-caused global warming are happening now, are irreversible on the timescale of people alive today, and will worsen in the decades to come.

References. IPCC , USGCRP

Modelled nonsense

HotScot
Reply to  fretslider
January 22, 2022 3:48 am

Report from HadCRUT – 2021 was the coldest year on the planet since 2014.

This largely supports Dr. Roy Spencer’s latest satellite observations as of January 2022:

“The Version 6.0 global average lower tropospheric temperature (LT) anomaly for December, 2021 was +0.21 deg. C, up from the November, 2021 value of +0.08 deg. C.

The annual average anomaly for 2021 was +0.134 deg. C above the 30-year mean (1991-2020), which places it as the 8th warmest year in the 43 year satellite record, behind 2016, 2020, 1998, 2019, 2017,2010, and 2015.”

fretslider
Reply to  HotScot
January 22, 2022 4:57 am

Despite griff’s protestations, it isn’t any warmer here. We’re working out how to keep the house warm – and eat

ResourceGuy
Reply to  fretslider
January 22, 2022 6:17 am

Well, eating is going to be the next stage problem with doublings of fertilizer costs and equipment inflation and new farm equipment that can’t be fixed on the farm.

Rational Db8
Reply to  HotScot
January 22, 2022 3:25 pm

I thought NASA was claiming it was the sixth warmest (or some such nonsense). But then, NASA just loves to claim all sorts of years as the hottest ever too, when clearly they’re not.

Harves
Reply to  Rational Db8
January 22, 2022 3:50 pm

It was definitely the hottest year ending in a ‘1’ since 2011.

Rational Db8
Reply to  Harves
January 22, 2022 6:29 pm

Yeah, but I thought NASA said 6th warmest ever… tho my recollection could be off. There’ve been plenty of years where they declared that year the hottest tho, when clearly it wasn’t.

Rational Db8
Reply to  Harves
January 24, 2022 11:30 am
Peter W
Reply to  fretslider
January 22, 2022 6:05 am

I would be interested in seeing them explain why it has been so cold here in central Florida these past few weeks, and the prediction for the coming week plus says most days will not even reach 70 degrees.

Scissor
Reply to  Peter W
January 22, 2022 6:50 am

Perhaps the long term trend is not what they say it is.

How long have you been in Florida? I know from experience that it just gets cold there in winter sometimes.

Rick C
Reply to  Scissor
January 22, 2022 9:49 am

We were always amused on winter trips to Florida to see the local ladies wearing their mink coats when it was 65F and we were in shorts and tee-shirts.

Rational Db8
Reply to  Rick C
January 22, 2022 3:30 pm

I had a friend who lived in Anchorage Alaska for years… he claimed that when temperatures hit 40 there, people would be out in shorts. It wouldn’t surprise me – it really is amazing what we easily become used to in the way of “extreme” temperatures when we live in it all the time. I know after doing a winter in Maine outside all day as a teen, I could go out in 32 degree temps in a tee shirt and be quite comfortable as long as there wasn’t much wind blowing. I’d’ve been freezing before that!

Dave Fair
Reply to  Rick C
January 22, 2022 4:47 pm

The old broads showed off their husband’s wealth. The young chicks showed off their assets to secure a wealthy husband. Yea, yea I know: Not PC. But I’m an old dude and don’t care what you think.

Macusn
Reply to  Peter W
January 22, 2022 7:47 am

I was in middle school west of Ft. Lauderdale FL. in 1975. It snowed.

Randy Stubbings
Reply to  Peter W
January 22, 2022 7:47 am

Now that’s funny right there! 70 F (21 C) feels cold! We hit -40 C quite a few times around Christmas with wind chills of -55. I had to scape ice chunks off the inside of the bathroom window! Even the dog hated it. It’s a good thing we’ve had some global warming or it would have been -56.5.

Sara
Reply to  Peter W
January 22, 2022 8:07 am

Me, too!. I would like to know why the Old Farmers Almanac and the Farmers Almanac both said “dry cold winter in the Midwest’ and that is what we’re getting (not enough snow to make up for last summer’s lack of rain).

Could it be they are just after more cash in the cash drawer??? Toe the line, and you’re just fine – that sort of thing.

Gunga Din
Reply to  Peter W
January 22, 2022 8:47 am

I would be interested in seeing them explain why it has been so cold here in central Florida these past few weeks, and the prediction for the coming week plus says most days will not even reach 70 degrees.

They’ve covered their “As” years ago.
If it’s warmer than yesterday where you live, it’s “Global Warming”.
If it’s colder than yesterday where you live, it’s “Climate Change” due to “Global Warming”.
Hot and Cold are, of course, both caused by only Man’s CO2 from burning fossil fuels.

Sara
Reply to  fretslider
January 22, 2022 8:05 am

So, what is it they are REALLY afraid of? No one has answered that question just yet. 🙂

Richard Page
Reply to  Sara
January 23, 2022 5:40 pm

They’re afraid of being caught out. They’ve lied their tails off over the years and are deathly afraid that their lies are being found out.

Matt Kiro
January 22, 2022 3:10 am

I believe Oregon is in the process of a permanent indoor mask law. So you might be able to enjoy the scenery, but don’t expect any smiling faces.

Doug
Reply to  Matt Kiro
January 22, 2022 5:02 am

Why not. It worked last time ….didn’t it ?

Derg
Reply to  Doug
January 22, 2022 6:27 am

If masks don’t work, then we always have the gene therapy shot

January 22, 2022 3:37 am

[stop spamming–mod]

Reply to  Allan MacRae
January 22, 2022 8:10 am

Excerpt below of what I posted – ON topic. Was the post too long or what?
Moderators’ spam policies appear inconsistent.
Also, you have chosen to censor information that is highly significant for America – Information about covert Climate-and-Covid policies of the uber-woke Canadian government that also apply to the USA and other Western countries, which will cause these countries irreparable harm. These destructive Climate-and-Covid policies are not a mistake – they are deliberate – the roadmaps to Venezuela – economic destruction and dictatorship.
 
Another Bogus Climate Report blames Global ‘Cooling’ on Global ‘Warming’ – Electroverse June 2021
 
Cap Allon wrote this correct statement:
“In a perfect example of what George Orwell called Doublethink the AGW party is claiming that global ‘warming’ can also mean global ‘cooling’… ”
 
The climate clowns just make it up as they go – global warming alarmism is a fifty-year-old scam concocted by wolves to stampede the sheep. It’s been a BIG LIE from the start.

[here’s the policy, you post the same thing over and over and over again and it’s ridiculously long comments posting all the links you want to get out over and over again and it’s spam. If you are cutting and pasting hundreds of words over and over and over again then it’s spam. Clear enough? -cr]

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Charles Rotter(@jeeztheadmin)
Admin
Reply to  Allan MacRae
January 22, 2022 8:39 am

This forum is not your personal megaphone.

Dave Fair
Reply to  Charles Rotter
January 22, 2022 4:52 pm

Thank you, Charles. The cranks, especially the “no GHE” idiots, should be forced to rely on their own blogs. Hijacking Anthony’s excellent site for their fringe rants does a disservice to serious readers and posters.

Reply to  Dave Fair
January 23, 2022 9:24 am

Dave,
Based on your above comment, you are off-base with your strawman argument – almost nobody here denies the greenhouse effect (GHE).
The GHE is driven 95+% by water vapor, not CO2. The only measurable impacts of increasing atmospheric CO2, whatever the cause, are improved plant and crop yields.
All the scary claims about the dangers of burning fossil fuels are false. Trillions of dollars and millions of lives were wasted on a lie.

Dave Fair
Reply to  Allan MacRae
January 23, 2022 10:03 am

Allan, I hesitate to engage you in a discussion because, while well-meaning, you are a crank. Capitalization and bolding does not improve your arguments.

Studies that I accept show water vapor to have about 75% of the GHE. Additionally, increasing CO2 will affect global temperatures, maybe about 1.7 C/doubling. Arguing against proven science is not a good image for anybody.

Reply to  Dave Fair
January 23, 2022 8:13 pm

We agree Dave, because, without resorting to name-calling, I have a negative opinion of you and your views.
I am not going to argue about trivial differences in your claimed numbers vs mine because these differences are immaterial – they do not matter. Why?
Even with your different numbers, there is NO real global warming crisis.
(Bolding to assist in your comprehension). LOL!

Dave Fair
Reply to  Allan MacRae
January 24, 2022 12:34 pm

If you had bothered fully reading my comment, Allan, you would have noticed I speculated that ECS is only about 1.7 C, a non-crisis number.

Anyhoo …. I don’t like being shouted at by cranks. I should have followed Charles’ advice, below.

Charles Rotter(@jeeztheadmin)
Admin
Reply to  Dave Fair
January 23, 2022 8:54 pm

You should have trusted your instincts.

Reply to  Allan MacRae
January 23, 2022 9:02 am

For the record:
 
“Mainstream” now is woke nonsense, false propaganda that is spread by scoundrels and believed-in by imbeciles.
Examples from Woke-World are the “Global Warming Crisis” aka “Climate Change”, grid-connected “Green Energy”, Covid-19 lockdowns and Covid-19 toxic-and-ineffective “vaccines”. When you read about these subjects in the mainstream media, you are hearing the prattling of scoundrels and imbeciles.


“Fringe”, such as the following, is much closer to reality. I wrote this years ago and it has proved correct.
 
“The Long March Through The Institutions” as proposed by the Frankfurt school back in the 1930s was launched knowing it would be a generations-long policy. Here we are three generations on and they have now taken control of all the western institutions as planned.

The Marxists do not stop just because their prime construct, the USSR failed in 1990. They regard that failure as simply work in progress.

They will not stop. The destruction of humanity is too big a prize, they view this activity as pressing the Earth’s reset button.
 
The book “1984”, written by George Orwell in 1949, foresaw a time “when most of the world population have become victims of perpetual war, omnipresent government surveillance and public manipulation” (wiki).

Well here is the REAL “1984”, an interview that year with ex-KGB officer and Soviet defector Yuri Bezmenov, who describes the slow, long-term “ideological subversion” of Western societies. Note Bezmenov’s discussion of ideological subversion. It’s all about manipulating the … leftists in the West.
KGB defector Yuri Bezmenov’s warning to America – YouTube

One commenter on the video wrote: “this is … crazy, almost everything predicted by this guy is already happening.”

Devils Tower
January 22, 2022 3:51 am

NASA’s outreach and public education efforts always were and will be about pushing funding levels. When the cold war ended and the hidden defense directed funding slowed, NASA and acedemia needed something different. What better way then extorting our youth with scares of climate disaster. Mix in politics of control and you have today. Climate change is the cause of everything bad, follow the dogma. Oh, thats supposed to be science…

NASA and acedemia led brown shirts are on the way….

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January 22, 2022 4:11 am

I have a question … what is the eruption near/on the Tongas’ (sp?) Islands going to do to ‘global temperatures’ via additional particulates/aerosols in the atmosphere? I recall (vaguely now) the effect Mt. Pinatubo (second-largest terrestrial eruption of the 20th century) had on the summer back in 1991 …

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fretslider
Reply to  _Jim
January 22, 2022 4:25 am

I saw an article claiming the eruption won’t stop global warming ….

“ No, Hunga-Tonga eruption won’t slow global warming”

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/national/no-hunga-tonga-eruption-wont-slow-global-warming/

Reply to  fretslider
January 22, 2022 4:34 am

Heh. “Adverse Preemptive Coverage” in advance of the effect showing up …

Sara
Reply to  fretslider
January 22, 2022 8:10 am

But – but – but it was definitely chilly here in the Midwest when Mount St. Helens erupted and sent us a gift of ash, and also when Pinatubo erupted and sent us more. It was definitely chilly summer weather, both times.

Gunga Din
Reply to  Sara
January 22, 2022 9:04 am

Since the claim is that Man’s CO2 has been causing “Global Warming” for so long, which volcano caused the two “Blizzard of ’78″s in the Midwest and in New England?

Sara
Reply to  Gunga Din
January 22, 2022 5:34 pm

Could have been Etna’s Big Burp, but a 1976 eruption of the Soufriere Hills volcano may have contributed somewhat. If the particles are fine enough to stay in the upper atmosphere, that can have an effect.

Bindidon
Reply to  _Jim
January 22, 2022 4:34 am

_Jim

I read elsewhere that though the plume bypassed 30 km altitude for a while, Tonga’s SO2 output is until now about 2% (!) of Pinatubo’s.

We will observe next February the effect of Tonga’s output, if any, in UAH’s time series for the lower stratosphere, when UAH publishes the January data

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I think the LS peak in 2020 (+0.5 in February) was due to the 2019–20 Australian bushfire season.

In comparison, Pinatubo generated an LS peak up to +1.80, and El Chichon in 1982 one at +1.70:

https://www.nsstc.uah.edu/data/msu/v6.0/tls/uahncdc_ls_6.0.txt

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Scissor
Reply to  Bindidon
January 22, 2022 5:37 am

Mauna Loa is also not observing any short-term trend in CO2 concentration signal above noise, re: Tonga eruption.

Sara
Reply to  Scissor
January 22, 2022 8:21 am

And the two volcanoes on the Atlantic ridge (Iceland and Tenerife) are busily spewing gasses into the atmosphere, too. Yes, Iceland’s baby volcano is quiet right now, but the quake frequency is increasing, per Iceland’s volcano watchers. And there is absolutely nothing that says a big mountain like Lajas Azores couldn’t start rumbling, either. One of the tallest (down to the ocean floor) mountains on the planet, and it’s a volcano.

Geology is fun, y’know. There are volcanoes busy all over the globe, spewing gasses and ash into the atmosphere. I’d like to know how anyone thinks they could be shut down.

Scissor
Reply to  Sara
January 22, 2022 9:16 am

The 1783 eruption of Laki caused wide spread and some devastating effects, e.g. the majority of farm animals in Iceland and 20% of the human population there died.

https://www.encyclopedie-environnement.org/en/society/laki-fissure-eruption-1783-1784/

Sara
Reply to  Scissor
January 22, 2022 5:37 pm

Thanks for the additional info, Scissor! There is a LOT stirring on the planet. There is nothing that says an eruption in the Cascades (Pac NW) can’t take place again.

Bindidon
January 22, 2022 4:13 am

Cold in Eugene, Oregon? Really?

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Is somebody kidding us a little bit, or what?

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It’s even warmer there than in Northern Germany!

Bindidon
Reply to  Eric Worrall
January 22, 2022 4:47 am

Thanks, I had overlooked it.

In Germany, such ‘humor’ is named ‘deutscher Humor’ for evident reasons 🙂

John Tillman
Reply to  Bindidon
January 22, 2022 5:08 am

Eugene lies at 44 N; Schönefeld above 52 N. Think the South of France vs. Northern Germany.

Eugene however is a little higher in elevation.

Mike Sexton
Reply to  John Tillman
January 22, 2022 7:42 am

I think we are around 400 feet

Bindidon
Reply to  Bindidon
January 22, 2022 3:21 pm

” Eugene lies at 44 N; Schönefeld above 52 N. Think the South of France vs. Northern Germany. ”

Well, Tillman: if I were you, I would rather think about… the Gulf Stream.

MarkW
Reply to  Bindidon
January 22, 2022 4:42 pm

Maybe you should spend some time thinking about … the Japanese Current.
Schönefel also appears to be further inland.

DonM
Reply to  Bindidon
January 24, 2022 12:55 pm

I’ve had less frost on the grass in the morning this month than there was in October. Sun is currently shining, hard.

And, Lookout Point reservoir (currently at its low level) is green throughout at its upper end. That means that it is warm enough for grass to grow through the winter. It will be green until it is covered with 20 +/- feet of water.

Peta of Newark
January 22, 2022 4:19 am

Took myself a ride, out of Eugene, headed north up the ‘River Road’ (Hugs and kisses to dear uncle google)

I do so love the space, big wide open and far distant horizons. That’s what makes the whole of me tingle, not just me spyne.
And the trees are gorgeous, I so love trees as well. Constantly tried to grow them in Cumbria but Red Spider Mite and sheep always thwarted my attempts.
tried the same here in Notts and it puzzled me I had so little success here also.
Until I discovered ‘nutrient deficiency’ – mostly copper and iron but also that the land surrounding me is soaked with Roundup and ever more is added annually 🙁

Sorry, a tangent came upon me.
The road trip reminded of soooo many places simultaneously, from The Brecks in Norfolk, Thetford Forest, The Cambridge Fen, (at least your roadside wooden electricity poles are standing up straight) the trees of Kielder Forest and incredibly, a coach trip headed south to see the Sahara, in Tunisia.

But there’s something missing from Oregon….
Water – as in water in the soil/dirt
The soil is red, no shortage of iron but an epic shortage of everything else.
The soil is old, barren and infertile.

Do *not* take that as any sort of Ad-Hom or personal sleight.
It’s what happens on the Earth – it is a completely natural process due to the fact that CO2 dissolves in (rain) water as it falls from the sky.
Thank God that it does or we’d none of us be here talking about it

But what it does mean is lots of bare soil lying around, leaving the sun to destroy the organic matter it contained and when that goes, so does the water.
Soil Organic Matter is what’s missing and that defines “desert”

Deserts are cold places as we’re hearing ## – deserts are where Ice Ages form and come from.

## The story we’re hearing is ‘all very lovely‘ and what Skeptics like to hear but, unfortunately, a trip round the local (local to Eugene) Wunderground stations tells a different story, certainly for the past week tells a different story.
OK, maybe the January 2022 monthly average is running 3 or 4 Deg C low but there’s nothing much there to back up the story we’re seeing.

Sorreeeeee. Don’t take it too hard
(and ffs, do not drown your sorrow in a glass of whiskey. Skeptics need to, must in fact, keep their wits about them)

edit to PS
The story we’re hearing is the story of what happens to us all – at some point we realise that, like the soils of Oregon, we are all growing old.
The incredibly sensitivity of my Sciatica to ‘cold’ brought that down on me like a ton of bricks.
So that’s the story we’re hearing here – approaching Old Age and there’s perfectly nothing any of us can do about it.
(Story Writer – it’s time to fly – to Arizona or Florida maybe (if there’s any room left there for ya)

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Reply to  Peta of Newark
January 22, 2022 5:05 am

re: “Deserts are cold places as we’re hearing ## – deserts are where Ice Ages form and come from.”

Each year I observe the Great Lakes in and around the state of Michigan in the US for signs that those large fresh-water lakes have frozen over … this doesn’t occur very often, but the ‘tell’ that the ice age is upon us will be when each successive year sees the lakes freezing over …

Pat from kerbob
Reply to  _Jim
January 22, 2022 10:50 am

Ask the people in Buffalo, Lake Erie freezing over means no more 10’ lake effect snow dumps.
Easier to deal with cold

Reply to  Pat from kerbob
January 22, 2022 11:06 am

re: “Ask the people …”

… living downwind of Lk Michigan, 5 to 10 mi inland.

My sister and her husband spent a few years living in Watertown NY too … they have stories …

MarkW
Reply to  Peta of Newark
January 22, 2022 4:46 pm

First off, your belief that deserts are caused by poor soil, not lack of rainfall is totally unsupported by data.
Secondly, deserts are hot during the day and cold at night, due to the lack of humidity in the air. As to Ice Ages starting from deserts, that belief is also refuted by reality.

Sara
Reply to  MarkW
January 22, 2022 5:52 pm

There is frequently snow on the sands of Morocco. There are ski resorts in the Atlas Mountains of Morocco, so the idea that the desert is “barren” is incorrect.

And as to the Great Lakes freezing over, here is some information on how Lake Michigan does it.
https://blog.livnfresh.com/the-relationship-between-lake-michigan-and-ice/

Lake Michi Gamu and the other lakes, including Superior, are leftovers from the last four cold periods in North America, those being Nebraskan, Kansan, Illinoisan and Wisconsin. In the Kettle Moraine, which was created by the southward advances of the ice sheets, the “kettles” were “carved out” by gravel carried south under the ice sheets. The Wisconsin Ice Age trail is a great place to go looking for interesting stuff.

There are also drumlins and glacial kames all over the place in northern Illinois and Wisconsin, which are leftovers from the last ice advances. They are essentially just big gravel dumps formed when the ice sheets melted back.

Sara
Reply to  Peta of Newark
January 22, 2022 6:07 pm

Hate to tell you this, Peta, but Oregon is hardly awash in infertile soil. There is enough wilderness heavily grassed and heavily wooded to contradict your take on the place – and I do not live there, either. Oregon and Washington state are part of the Pacific Northwest’s waterlogged climate.

I do not know where you are getting your information about the state, but it is far from correct. It may not be great grazing or farming land, but it has many, many other advantages that a temperate rain forest environment manifests, comparable to a tropical rain forest.

Mike Sexton
Reply to  Sara
January 22, 2022 7:38 pm

Lots of farming in the Willamette valley
Lots of winery’s now too
Why did they call it the Oregon Trail people came out because of the farming opportunities
Not forgetting all the timber out here

DonM
Reply to  Peta of Newark
January 24, 2022 12:41 pm

“But there’s something missing from Oregon….
Water – as in water in the soil/dirt
The soil is red, no shortage of iron but an epic shortage of everything else.
The soil is old, barren and infertile.”

Oregon is everything … ocean to alpine to desert to ….

Eugene is fertile soils. It starts raining on a regular basis (given the whims of the Pacific) around October and stops around June. July, August, September … just enough rain to remind the idiots that “we could use the rain”.

The red soil west of Cascades is not washed out and old. It is ‘young’. The silty clay loam soils of the Willamette Valley grow anything … easily. If I walked away from my house for 5 years you would not be able to see it from the street (80 feet away). I didn’t clean my gutters last fall, so I had three foot weeds ringing the eave of my house is the spring.

(and per your third paragraph … leaving Eugene north on River Road and going about 30 miles takes you through Junction City, Harrisburg, Halsey, Shed, before you get to Tangent (the “grass seed capital of the world”).

January 22, 2022 4:37 am

Eric,
I don’t think that Eugene, Oregon is prime Polar Bear habitat.

Reply to  Philip Mulholland
January 22, 2022 4:42 am

OK Humor, maybe a photo of relaxing Polar Bears wearing party time hats?

Reply to  Philip Mulholland
January 22, 2022 4:48 am

The imaginative eye sees two polar bears overlooking the body of a back-packer whose tennis shoe can be seen still attached to one of his legs which are seen to the left of the torso … does anybody else’s mind interpret that image that way?

H.R.
Reply to  _Jim
January 22, 2022 6:49 am

Well, I had to look twice.

Reply to  H.R.
January 22, 2022 7:29 am

Pattern matching (the way our minds/actual ‘vision’ works): I just can’t get the body of a seal (or the innards of a seal even) to ‘represent’ in that photo as I can the prone form of a back-packer …

I spent the better part of six months blinded by cataracts to the point my mind would tell me I was seeing things that weren’t there, on account of my brain insisting on ‘pattern matching’ on the city lights at night.

Last edited 4 months ago by _Jim
Sara
Reply to  _Jim
January 22, 2022 5:54 pm

Are you saying he’s just “baiting the bears”, so that he can scare the fur off of them? Make them turn ghost white???

(OK, bad puns, I apologize. Want some jam with those puns?)

Reply to  Sara
January 22, 2022 7:45 pm

Do you recall the nursery rhyme about “Hot Cross Buns”?

Mike Sexton
Reply to  Philip Mulholland
January 22, 2022 10:19 am

If we had some polar bears we could send them down to the U of O

Doug
January 22, 2022 5:00 am

Oregon is so politically unpleasant, even people from California don’t want to go there . It’s not much in the way of interest either . Perhaps the least beautiful of the west coast states ..lots of better places to see.

Reply to  Doug
January 22, 2022 6:14 am

Wasn’t there a heat wave in the Pacific Northwest this past summer? Was Eugene exempt from the heat?

sturmudgeon
Reply to  Anti-griff
January 22, 2022 3:47 pm

Very Hot and VERY Dry in Steven’s County, WA. State this past Summer.

Ebor
Reply to  Doug
January 22, 2022 6:43 am

What? I’ll give you Oregon has a high % of morons but saying it’s the least beautiful west coast state is a tad hyperbolic. You must have visited in the middle of winter or something…

meiggs
Reply to  Doug
January 22, 2022 7:14 am

OR was OK back in the y2k but many better places to see and now that the socialists rule OR I’ve run off to ET…four seasons and actual culture stemming from old Scotland…but the MSM is now sending the masked ones here in droves, soon the locals will be taxed off their lands and local culture eradicated. Same play book since the europeans came to this continent to “settle the land and save the pagans.” Wondering when the genocide will start here but prehaps it already has aka vax.

Mike Sexton
Reply to  Doug
January 22, 2022 7:53 am

Most of the morons are in Portland but we do have some here too

Ebor
Reply to  Mike Sexton
January 22, 2022 8:28 am

Most of the morons are in Portland”

Don’t leave out Eugene 🙂

Mike Sexton
Reply to  Ebor
January 22, 2022 7:40 pm

Ya but a higher percentage is in Portland

BigE
January 22, 2022 5:50 am

Waking up to -17 F this morning reminds me and all of us that as humans we can and do experience some 70 to 90 degrees of swing in temperatures over the normal year. Not sure I can survive a 2-4 degrees F warming!

DMacKenzie
Reply to  BigE
January 22, 2022 8:33 am

A 1% rise in absolute temperature (say 4 F in this case) of a body increases its IR emissions by 4%, which is a strong negative feedback for which a lot of very speculative hypotheses are invoked by doomsayers to justify their salaries. The cost of adaptation for you will be a drive to the thrift store to donate one of your sweaters….well, on second thought, probably not….

Pat from kerbob
Reply to  BigE
January 22, 2022 10:46 am

In 2021 here in calgary we swung from -45c to +41c, 86c variation

But I can attest to completely noticing the supposed 0.001c difference this year from last.

sturmudgeon
Reply to  Pat from kerbob
January 22, 2022 3:49 pm

Over what period of time, please?

Goonie
January 22, 2022 5:59 am

Ah geez, what a mess. Sorry, but Eugene is in the Willamette Valley, where cold air gets trapped in winter, and inversions make it stifling in the summer. The coast has been in the low 60’s for weeks and sunny. I left the inland areas in November because only an idiot would live in a freezer for 4-6 months. I will go back east of the Cascades sometime after March or April. I’ll avoid even the coastal mountains and inland valleys until then as well.

If you want to visit Oregon, DON’T.

It’s a nightmare. The government is a disease and the people are mostly trash. It’s pretty to look at but that’s about it.

If you’re conservative, eastern Oregon will annoy you in its RINO approach to politics, although the enclaves of total white supremacists and militant violent extremists are at least a variation in the right-wing theme. And no, I’m quite libertarian, so I’m not insulting these people, but rather engaging in introspection. We friggin’ suck out here in the east. We’re mean, hostile, aggressive, violent, unhappy, pissed off, and always on the lookout for someone to abuse. Outsiders at top of list.

We are not in favor of the literal words of the Constitution because it allows undesirable people to exist within our borders. Only certain parts of the Constitution or even of the Bible matter; other parts were clearly written by heathens and anarchists and we simply ignore them.

In Eugene it’s just as nightmarish only in the leftist dystopia kind of way. From Portland to Eugene stretches the liberal enclave of Oregon and outside it lives the right-wing trash.
This state just SUCKS. It used to be a really cool place but now it’s a shithole everywhere you go.

I’m sad that my state has fallen so far. The people are as ugly as they have ever been.

At least it’s still pretty to look at…

2hotel9
January 22, 2022 6:05 am

Sorry to say it yet again, climate does what it has always done and always will, change. And kids? Don’t like winter? Move. I moved. Because I like winter, and summer, spring and fall are pretty awesome too. Don’t like the climate where you are then go somewhere else.

H.R.
Reply to  2hotel9
January 22, 2022 6:58 am

Nice sentiment, 2hotel9, but we serfs must go where we’re told, wear masks when we’re told, drive any car we want so long as it’s an EV, and participate in medical experiments when we’re told.

We’re too stupid to figure out what’s best for us, so our more-equal equals take care of our thinking for us.

Okay. We’re not quite all the way there yet, but the elites are off to a good start.

2hotel9
Reply to  H.R.
January 22, 2022 7:48 am

Well, so far they have entirely failed with me! 😉 Just came back home after firing up the torpedo heater in the basement of a bar I do work for. Love that 05:30 on the flightline smell, puts me in mind of being all rucked up and ready to go do that thang. Kinda sick, after all these years I still miss doing insertions at the asscrack of dawn.

Dave Fair
Reply to  2hotel9
January 22, 2022 5:13 pm

I, too, remember the lingering smell of munitions in the morning fog of Vietnam. The battlefields and their detritus were shrouded and silent. A time for deep reflection and gratitude for one’s survival. It is overwhelming at times. I assume it will be my last memory/smell at my death.

It is not sick, 2hotel9. Going into battle is the pinnacle of man’s existence. Piss on the woke manbuns.

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2hotel9
Reply to  Dave Fair
January 22, 2022 6:19 pm

My time was in Central America. And yea, a smell can bring it back like a toothache. White kerosene fueled torpedo heater does it to me, every time. Slicks on the line, heavies spooling up over on the acid pad to get up ahead of us. Damned smell is in my hair and on my clothes and now it is all over the house. And I still like it. Man who owns the bar wanted me to come up, buy me some beers and shoot some pool. Not that kinda mood, now. There is a reason I don’t keep Johnnie Walker in the house. Took 12 long years to learn it.

Sara
Reply to  H.R.
January 22, 2022 8:28 am

Oh, hogwash, H.R. 🙂 The elites are so busy planning “the demise” of something or other that they are digging their own hole for themselves. Just smile and nod and get out of their way.

Scissor
Reply to  Sara
January 22, 2022 9:19 am
Sara
Reply to  Scissor
January 22, 2022 5:58 pm

Doesn’t that make you just want to put a cream pie right in their noodles?

2hotel9
Reply to  Sara
January 22, 2022 6:21 pm

I prefer to lean over their shoulder and watch, then you catch the best moment to give them a good, hard, shove.

Bruce Cobb
January 22, 2022 7:11 am

It’s satire, and pokes mild fun at climate skeptics. You know, because it’s cold, so “where’s my global warming”? A bit old, but not bad for a journalism student. I give it about a C+.

Reply to  Bruce Cobb
January 22, 2022 9:51 am

Or it possibly is a veiled poke at the AGWers by someone daring to do so. If the piece ends up disappearing at the original Oregon University site, that would be an indication that such heresy is not tolerated.

Tom.1
January 22, 2022 8:01 am

I live in southern Colorado. This winter has been incredibly warm. We haven’t even had a decent snow yet. I live at 7000 ft.

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Mr.
Reply to  Tom.1
January 22, 2022 8:40 am

Just goes to show how many different climates this planet has.

Thousands I reckon.

And all doing their own thing all the time.

If there’s an overarching control mechanism to this situation, we haven’t discovered it yet.

Steve Keohane
Reply to  Tom.1
January 22, 2022 9:00 am

West central Colorado has normal snow. December was cold, into the minus 10s at night, January a bit warmer, single digits above zero at night.

Scissor
Reply to  Tom.1
January 22, 2022 9:20 am

Wolf Creek has only gotten about 18 feet of snowfall so far this season.

Tom.1
Reply to  Scissor
January 22, 2022 9:51 am

Ok, but none of it is where I am. What is happening in one place means absolutely nothing with regard to the main topic of this blog. People, especially reporters, should never lose sight of that (although they already have).

Scissor
Reply to  Tom.1
January 22, 2022 11:38 am

I was sort of agreeing with you. Sometimes Wolf Creek gets over 40 feet of snow in a season.

sturmudgeon
Reply to  Scissor
January 22, 2022 3:55 pm

That sounds frightening. If there is 3 feet ‘on the ground’ here in Steven’s County, it makes for a difficult Winter for rural residents.

Tekov Yahoser
January 22, 2022 8:43 am

Oregon is a great State being ruined by the Progressive. Eastern Oregon is still a sane place.

Philip
January 22, 2022 8:56 am

We live in Newberg, Oregon which is about 25 miles SW of Portland (I thought it was far enough outside Portland when we bought the house. These days I am nor so sure). We moved here from Paris, France and before that Market Drayton, Shropshire, England. So we have seen climates rather colder than here.

At 45° N, you can’t say it’s a cold climate. We are in the Willamette Valley, with the Coastal range of mountains to the west, taking the brunt of the storms that sweep in from the Pacific, and the Cascade range to the East collecting the moisture from the air and dropping it into the valley as well as providing a barrier for the hot and cold continental winds from the American heartland. So it’s a pretty mild climate overall. We are at the N end of the valley, Eugene is at the southern end.

Winter temperatures are generally above freezing (except when our heating dies over the Christmas/New Year period, then it rarely rises above freezing).

Subjectively, weeks on end of damp, foggy, drizzle days with temperatures around 3°C or so are much more miserable to be out in than a nice crisp -5°C day. To compensate, the summer is very rarely humid, and temperatures (in the valley) rarely get up to 38°C (100°F).

As for scenery, let me just say that there is pretty much everything you could want. Unspoiled (and openly accessible!) coastline, mountains, forest, rivers, high desert. You name it. If you really want to, you can go up to Mt. Hood for skiing in August.

The only real negative is the infestation of lunacy in the state capitol and large city (Portland, Eugene) councils.

Some examples of photos taken on the coast and within about 60 miles of my home:

https://pjpeake.smugmug.com/Oregon-Coast/

https://pjpeake.smugmug.com/Newberg/

Sara
Reply to  Philip
January 22, 2022 6:10 pm

Those are lovely photos, Philip, and happy to see that that contradict Peta’s rather cranky take on that state.

Rich Lambert
January 22, 2022 9:15 am

Coping with the cold are some of my favorite childhood memories. Anyone else remember taking a heated brick to bed to help warm up the bed in an unheated bedroom?

Reply to  Rich Lambert
January 22, 2022 9:59 am

Getting up in the morning, and sitting by a ‘register’ (outputting warm/hot air from the furnace) to warm up; often shared with a brother or sister doing the same …

Dave Fair
Reply to  _Jim
January 22, 2022 5:28 pm

Getting up in a Oregon mountain morning in an uninsulated attic bedroom and stoking the central wood-burning heater is character-building for a teenager. After experiencing many such character-building activities, I’m … a character.

Dave Fair
Reply to  _Jim
January 22, 2022 5:35 pm

Jim, my teenage brothers and I would stand in front of the heat register in the morning in our underwear at a more modern house in Oregon. The great part was a female classmate across the street would watch us with binoculars. I had alot of fun with her.

Sara
Reply to  Rich Lambert
January 22, 2022 6:11 pm

I just let the dogs get on my bed with me. Never got cold. Now I’m finding heat-reflecting blankets at the Wallyworld, at modest prices, too, and am taking advantage of that. Keeps the heating bill down.

Slowroll
January 22, 2022 10:26 am

Could use a little globull warming about now. 9 below F this morning in Northeast PA. Even the dogs were in a rush to get back inside.

Gary Pearse
January 22, 2022 10:38 am

Gee mods, my disappeared offering was a comment on the need for global warming in eastern Ontario, along with breakdown of my gas heating unit and seeking advice.

Pat from kerbob
January 22, 2022 10:42 am

Eric, you are much better off visiting ALberta in February.
If you have any unsightly external growths they just freeze and fall off.
And we won’t even charge you for the procedure.

January 22, 2022 2:16 pm

The inhabitants of Eugene, Oregon have finally noticed that it is getting colder and are calling for that old-time Global Warming which is nowhere to be seen,

Windsong
January 22, 2022 4:21 pm

It is not too late for Beatrice to head over to the SW Oregon coast this weekend. Brookings, OR, airport reported 78F around 3:00 pm (1/22/22). Cliff Mass had a post up a few days ago on the forecasted weekend heat wave.
https://cliffmass.blogspot.com/2022/01/code-red-on-oregon-coast.html

Dan
January 22, 2022 4:25 pm

Received 6-8” of snow Dec. 26-2715 miles west of Eugene, businesses were shut down, streets were filled but empty of people; it was actually nice, Global Warming and all. 🙂

Tombstone Gabby
January 22, 2022 6:48 pm

G’Day Eric,

“Oregon is on my bucket list of places I would love to see. But I think I’ll wait until Summer to visit.”

We send out an annual Christmas letter to relatives and friends. From the 1993 letter:

The weather was very cool. We were lucky to hit 70 deg. Well! let me tell you, these desert dwellers slept under flannel sheets and an electric blanket, used the trailer’s furnace daily, and had a small electric heater on quite a bit. To us it was COLD! In future years, if someone asks if we remember the summer of 1993, the reply will be; “Remember it well. It was the afternoon of Sunday, July 18!”  

We were volunteer campground hosts at Diamond Lake campground, USFS, 5,000+ feet elevation. The desert? The 29 Palms area, southern California, 2,000 feet elevation. (29P – according to NWS: average 90 days a year at 100°F or higher.)

Joel Patterson
January 23, 2022 1:53 am

I live in Portland Or. December was a little cold with some snow but not near as cold it can get.

MorinMoss(@morinmoss)
January 23, 2022 6:44 am

And when there’s a blistering heat wave just point to some day in the past that was warmer

Michael
January 23, 2022 8:51 am

Eric, come on over, the weather is fine already. At least here on the coast, in Coos Bay. Yesterday and today have been completely sun filled, no clouds or fog, with a small breeze and highs of 62. I went hiking yesterday, polished my truck in my T-shirt, and soaked up the sun. You can go crabbing for the mysterious Dungeness Crab in the bay, gather clams at low tide, or go dune flying in a sand machine. Our RV parks have lots of visitors all winter. OK, you don’t want to get off the 101 highway, but the coast is open for business. See you soon!

Weylan R McAnally
January 24, 2022 11:16 am

Last summer Oregon had abnormally high temps. This winter they have abnormally low temps. Pretty typical of low Sun spot activity.

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