By: Admin – Climate Depot December 23, 2021 5:28 PM
https://www.calcalistech.com/ctech/articles/0,7340,L-3925682,00.html
Still, the real villain here is the fossil fuel industry.
“But you do see doomism sometimes used by climate inactivists. Just a couple of weeks ago, after the Glasgow summit, one of the worst fossil fuel industry funded professional climate change deniers, Marc Morano, who has worked for decades to undermine public acceptance of the science and to prevent any action on climate, sent out this mass email where he happily quoted Greta Thunberg claiming that the process was a total failure, that the process is broken, and that there’s no hope. Greta’s heart is completely in the right place, she’s a real leader, and the youth climate movement has been such an important factor in why we’re seeing the progress that we are seeing, which is why we really have to watch out for what we say, because otherwise people like Morano will twist our words to feed this sort of doomist narrative that ‘oh, look, you know, even climate advocates have agreed that there’s nothing we can do. So the game is over’ and that’s just so dangerous.
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Greta sums up as ‘Blah, blah, blah’
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COP 26 President Alok Sharma, MP hung his head and proclaimed through tears, “May I just say to all delegates, I apologize for the way this process has unfolded and I am deeply sorry.” – Watch COP 26 President tear up
Climate Depot’s Marc Morano: “The UN climate summit’s failure is good news for humanity, science, and a rational energy policy. Despite the tears over the UN’s latest climate failure, the would-be planet savers will continue to strive to regulate and control every aspect of human endeavors from the food we eat, to the energy we use to our transportation to our housing and our economies. While we can savor the moment of this failure by the UN climate forces, we must remain vigilant in defeating the climate agenda.” See:‘Build Bank Bankrupt’: Watch: Morano’s 30 min speech in Glasgow at climate skeptic forum – ‘How many times do we have to save the planet?’
COP26 was a flop … yet again: Climate summits are ‘a meaningless ritual…that achieves little or nothing’Check out the new report on the history of failed UN climate summits:
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Mann, what a bullshitter!
Mann has to give back something to pay for his career. It’s his entire raison d’être. What else is he good for but shilling for ‘Big Propaganda‘? Selling out one’s profession comes at a price.
Morano should consult an attorney….Mann needs a lawsuit.
You’re right. He hasn’t been in a lawsuit for, what, two years now? Surely someone has hurt his feelings … why not Morano.
MM is still suing Mark Steyn in DC, going on 10 years of delays by judges. MM hasn’t submitted his discovery, and the judges don’t seem to have any urgency about it. He also lost in Canada; but, as would be expected for a total toff, he has refused to pay the judgement. That shows Mann’s character.
I never thought Mann had any character to begin with, so his failure to pay court costs here in Canada is no surprise. The only way for Dr. Ball to recover his costs would be to file a chambers motion for contempt of court.
He is just jealous because Morano has his number!
Or because Morano stole his thunder?
Or both!
Because Morano stole his Thunberg. 🙂
I would qualify that assessment by adding arrogant, vain and uninformed…3 limiting qualities that no scientist can rise above.
Has he ever done any science or does he just make pronouncements because he is the God of Climate Science?
Hockey based science yes, and oh ya dark psyops!
Bad clowns are really sad.
If Mann didn’t exist, we would have to invent him.
Of course he has a serious case of NPD, but he isn’t even a very good sociopath.
Gotta hand it to him. He is even a failure at being a failure.
Oh, the hilarity, that Mann et al repeatedly claim anyone who disagrees with their climate porn is funded by the fossil fuel industry. Remember, except for the TOTALLY ISOLATED, 100% of humans across the globe use and benefit from fossil fuels. Eight billion people can’t be in the pay of the fossil fuel industry, but billions of them for good reasons don’t buy into the climate doomsday prophesy. The industry simply supplies products demanded by human societies. So far, no good world-wide substitute has been found and deployed. The best long-term alternative, and possibly the only alternative, is some form(s) of nuclear power, which the greens hate. In fact, their hatred of nuclear power is largely responsible for present day levels of CO2 emissions.
Efficient use of resources? Of course. Wholesale forced adoption of parasitic wind and solar power and electric vehicles? Suicidal.
Centralized government can never provide for efficient use of resources: Politics always interferes with market efficiency. The more of the economy central government controls, the worse it gets for the average person; elites make out like bandits.
You just haven’t tried enough centralised government. If everyone worked for the government, everything would work perfectly!
In breaking news, there’s not enough reindeer for Santa:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-59742359?at_medium=RSS&at_campaign=KARANGA
Apparently warm weather is causing the ground to freeze in the Arctic. Is there nothing the Magic Molecule ™ can’t do?
Perhaps we’ll all get coal instead…
Well, Zig, you should have zagged. My response to the ever-correct BBC statement that Lapland icing years used to be on a 30-year period, with icing years now becoming more frequent due to climate change was to look it up: A 2008 study of a Lapland semi-nomadic herd covering the period 1959 to 2000 showed that icing occurred approximately every 7th year, not the 1-plus years implied by the 30-year statement.
Since they kept mentioning how expensive it was to round-up the wayward herds in the article, I assume the herders were angling for some government “climate change compensation.” Farmers and ranchers are always bitching about the weather and how it is ruining them as they go to Uncle Sugar for handouts. Your Magic Molecule is good for crony capitalism as well as media, academia and NGOs.
In more breaking news, Biden actually says “Let’s go Brandon” on live TV. You can’t make this stuff up!
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59787060
What’s not to like about Brandon … clearly 10s of thousands of cheering fans love him.
“Let’s go Brandon!“
And Joe agrees!
https://youtu.be/ap7omIvifJc
That was funny.
Biden is really becoming confused. He actually praised former President Trump for his and Operation Warp Speed’s contributions to speeding up the creation of vaccines. I’m stumped for an explanation for him praising Trump. It’s completely out of character.
Don’t worry about it. At some point, someone will gag him and speak for him, explaining what they wanted him to “really say”.
Everything would work perfectly — For the worms; we’d all be dead.
The irony is that no one has done more to kill off the coal industry than the oil/gas industry which has benefited tremendously. Killing off nuclear in the process is and added bonus. They know wind and solar will ultimately fail too. I’m glad I have a (very small but reliable) stake in the oil and gas industry.
But if Greta and Marc agree that COP26 was a waste of time, what’s the problem? Maybe Mikey Mann should reconsider his career. I just saw a Help Wanted sign at my local McDonald’s. 😉
Would you trust a fry cooked by that mann?
He’s holding out to be the dishwasher there!
Excellent idea, especially since McDonald’s doesn’t have dishes to wash. At least he won’t be able to stuff up doing nothing.
Second thoughts, can that. I’m underestimating his abilities.
They have floors that need frequent scrubbing.
Plus all of the counters, tables and other flat surfaces where COVID infected and contagious touched and slobbered.
> which is why we really have to watch out for what we say, because otherwise people like Morano will twist our words to feed this sort of doomist narrative
Snigger.
I think he’s absolutely correct. The only full solution is for the doomsday cultists to say nothing at all.
Imagine the peace!
I love not having to type out the punchline.
‘Why we are seeing the progress we are seeing’.
Well, sea level rise hasn’t accelerated. Arctic summer ice hasn’t disappeared. Polar bears are thriving. Children still know snow. So that is progress, in a way. Predicted fears have not materialized.
But, the Keeling curve says CO2 is still rising unabated. So Copenhagen, Paris, and now COP26 in Glasgow (per Greta Thunberg herself), were all failures to slow ‘carbon pollution’. And that is progress against climate change/renewables/GND insanity.
So finally something Mann said sort of makes sense, but not in the way he meant.
“So finally something Mann said sort of makes sense, but not in the way he meant.”
You are twisting his words to fit your doomster narrative. Good job.
Well, he predicted that. So finally, he even had a prediction come true, sort of.
Progress is an [unqualified] monotonic process. By their metrics, there has (e.g. CO2 emissions, shutdown reliable energy production) and has not (e.g. climate mitigation, redistributive change) been progress. By other metrics, there has (e.g. stand up to …GND insanity, bad [white] bears… what are you going to do) and has not (e.g. sea level rise, arctic ice deficits) been progress. So, here’s to progress.
Pretty much the only good thing about Michael Mann is that it is so easy for cartoonists to portray him.
Greg Gutfeld called him a bald-face liar. So, cartoonists, start with a bald face…
Manniacal spreads baldness over much of his head.
Add a silly grin and his visage personifies his pseudo science.
So Mann actually said this: “. . . which is why we really have to watch out for what we say, because otherwise people [who disagree with us] will twist our words. . .” Such self-censorship is at the heart of political correctness, and the extinguishing of clear and honest speech. But notice – Mann is actually doing what he accuses someone else of. This sort of thing has been seen before.
Marc Morano is getting a lot of flak, as he is exactly over the target and delivering a lot of heavy-duty munitions on the enemy.
Where else except in climastrology would someone who is certifiably a tin-foil hat wearer, who claims to be able to see an invisible gas, be applauded as a “real leader?” She is no more a leader than, “He’s not my president,” Biden is. In both cases the MSM has elevated incompetents to the role of “an important factor in why we’re seeing the progress that we are seeing.” I don’t know how much more ‘progress’ from these two the country can stand.
“Tolerance will reach such a level that intelligent people will be banned from thinking so as not to offend imbeciles.” Fyodor Dostoyevsky I think we are at that level.
I actually was paid by Big Oil Companies, both Gulf and CONOCO, when I worked in their Minerals Departments. As a member of an Executive Technical Advisory Committee I was surprised at how wide a spectrum of current issues were submitted to the Committee for research. Like “one drop of this chemical in your tank with water and you don’t need gasoline anymore”, where the idea was to capture the “one drop” market if it ever became true. Big Oil Companies exist to deliver profit to shareholders, and are surprisingly introspective in the process.
Did you get to fly in Gulf’s Widgeon? I did a little consulting for them, flew from Lakefront in New Orleans to the river mouth area some three decades ago.
No, I worked out of their Denver office.
I’m impressed by what seems to be an unexpectedly high percentage of geologists commenting on this blog. I suspect it has a lot to do with how we were trained. That is, looking at the long view, analyzing sparse data, and entertaining multiple working hypotheses. Those of us getting our educations or working (I’m being redundant) during the transition between the geosynclinal paradigm and plate tectonics learned to live with ambiguity and to be flexible in our views and analysis of data.
WOW! A Tiny Ray of Sanity!
Organic, inorganic, clean, nutritious, reliable, renewable hydrocarbon-based energy.
Mann is intoxicated by the exuberance of his own verbosity
Nah, he’s just “a disgrace to the profession”
(and a pr1ck)
You’re absolutely right.
In addition to the fact that Michael “Piltdown” Mann got caught committing scientific fraud and that he’s an outright nutjob, the Mann is a jerk— he’s just plain unlikable.
“he’s just plain unlikable.”
Like Kamala!
That is a “prince,” spelled with a “k.” (The “n” is silent.)
I would say Michael Mann is the Chief Shill for Human-caused Climate Change. It’s his baby, and he is promoting it.
Without Michael Mann’s bogus Hockey Stick “temperature” chart, there would be no reason to think humans are causing the climate to warm by adding CO2 to the atmosphere, because the climate is not warming, it is actually cooling.
Michael Mann and his Hockey Stick Team mannipulated the temperature record and changed a cooling world into a warming world in their computers. That’s where the warming world exists, in their computers, not in the real world. Michael Mann does not want anyone pointing this out.
False narratives, like climate change, are generated by people with lots of money and little, if any, name recognition. Mann is just their tool (in every sense of the word). If they did not get this Mann, they would have continued to sift through the manure until they found someone with similar ‘qualities’. The devil does not have to work hard to find those who will sell their soul.
With China, India, and many smaller countries going full speed ahead with coal energy plants the writing is on the wall for the CC narrative. It can’t be hidden. You can’t ignore at least half of the nasty CO2 emissions and hold the rest of the world responsible while wallowing in unreliable energy replacement that destroys economy and lifestyle with an improvable theory. Do they really expect the rest of the world to sit back and allow that to happen?
“parasitic class”… excellent descriptor of Lurch Kerry and all the limousine liberals. Climate change policy impacts are for the little people. You know, you and me.
Can anyone possibly recall tears more fake than Sharma’s?
That really was pathetic.
COP26 ended not with a bang, but a Whimper.
Poetic, I’ll say!
T.S.Eliot – The Hollow Men
I’d call them crocodile tears, but that would slander crocodiles.
Mann, the apex of propaganda masquerading as science. Sad and shameful chapter in our history that people like this charlatan have a position of authority instead of a padded cell.
Mann & Fauxi, what a team. Brother hucksters from different mothers. Science has taken a deep hit with these two grifters. Who will even trust their physician anymore? Especially if connected to one of the giant medical corporations. Just sayin’.
“Sad and shameful chapter in our history that people like this charlatan have a position of authority”
Still ! This charlatan still has a position of authority. This is the sad state of climate science.
It’s all Trump’s fault. He pulled USA out of the Paris accord and it fell apart. Obama’s USD500M ambition was a drop in the ocean compared to what was actually needed to prevent Tuvalu from being inundated.
Now it’s all Manchin’s fault. It is great to be able to blame someone for every bad weather event.
We can expect to see-
Manchin tornados,
Manchin floods,
Manchin cyclones,
Manchin deep freeze,
Manchin wild fires.
It is incredible how much bad weather a single US senator can create.
willie and Anthony lost the 1 spot?
I think Mark got more air time, so he is the primary target of the Climate Change Charlatans.
Mann and company cannot admit they do not have the economic and technological wherewithal to achieve their stated objectives, so they need a scapegoat. That’s why they play this game. What odd is that I’m pretty sure they lack a conscious understanding of this.
Narcissists construct a completely logical worldview basesd on – unlike, say fundamentalist Christians, where it is the absolute literal truth of the Bible – the absolute certainty of the correctness of their judgements and conclusions.
Because Mann is 100% right, people who disagree must be mistaken, or lying, and if they are lying, there must be a reason for it.
Since a narcissist craves recognition and the trappings of suuccess – fame and fortune – he must conclude that others are the same. Altruism is simply a concept that a narcissist does not understand.
From there it is a short step only to conclude that climate sceptics are simply weak people pretending to have concerns for the human race merely in order to be noticed, or to make money, because that is, after all, exactly what motivates Mann.He has just got a better set of arguments that have more consensus. Remember to a narcissist the quality of ideas are not that they are true, but, subconsciously, whether they are believed.
In the world of a narcissist, there are no external truths, there is only what people believe.
The game is not about consistency with the facts, it is about the plausibility and success of the narratives.
Mann is not interested in the truth, he is desperate to justify his narrative, that’s all, and condemn competing narratives, The truth doesn’t enter into it, only how much he is believed and noticed.
My own experience of narcissists, is that they realize at some level – probably subconsciously – that the easiest way to be convincing, is to believe utterly in their narratives. Faith substitutes for facts.
Unfortunately, in science, the name of the game is that hypotheses need to be at some level consistent with the facts,
Here is the expert on narcissism.
Sam Vaknin (http://samvak.tripod.com) is the author of Malignant Self Love—Narcissism Revisited and After the Rain—How the West Lost the East, as well as many other books about psychology, relationships, philosophy, economics, and international affairs.
¨The narcissist is, to a very large extent, a form of artificial intelligence, sort of an alien in the truest sense of the word, because he has never experienced humanity, or humaneness, and he cannot empathize with other people; he cannot put himself in other people’s shoes. He cannot feel for them, because he also lacks the emotional apparatus; he lacks emotions, or at least, access to his emotions.¨
“Mann is not interested in the truth, he is desperate to justify his narrative, that’s all, and condemn competing narratives, The truth doesn’t enter into it, only how much he is believed and noticed.”
That sums it up nicely.
I find it hard to believe that Mann has convinced himself that he is correct about the temperatures since he deliberately manipulated the data in order to reach his conclusions about the Earth’s temperatures.
Can he block this dishonesty out of his mind? I couldn’t. I think one would have to be a delusional person to do that. I don’t know that Mann is delusional. As far as I know, he’s just dishonest.
This just in:
apenews reports that six people were trampled by a climate activist in his rush to a news camera crew.
The climate activist blamed the people for being in his way.
While seriously harmed, most victims are expected to survive. Victims are under intensive care but they exhibit severe apprehension when questioned by reporters. Especially if a camera is present.
The news reporter commented that she’d never seen anyone who is so hyper sensitive and utterly self centered; and that she’d met some of hollywood’s worst me-me-me human wrecks.
Other pedestrians thank their lucky stars that they saw the nearly maniacal looking bald climate activist running towards them and scattered.
/sarcasm… maybe.
Michael Mann is both an intellectual vaccum, and the world’s most successful failure.
COP26 failed because Iniia vetoed stupidity.
Why does Mann think that Morano has any influence over India?
India, Russia, and China scuppered COP26 – no match for Mann of course.
Ah, distinguished climate change hustler Mann farts. Hold your noses.
Can you imagine someone’s attorney being described as a shill for Big Murder?
Why is this behaviour acceptable in climate science?
I’ve mentioned this item in the Boston Globe by Mann recently but in case you didn’t read it: “Global destruction isn’t funny, but when it comes to the climate crisis, it might have to be”
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2021/12/21/opinion/global-destruction-isnt-funny-when-it-comes-climate-crisis-it-might-have-be/
“Research informs scientists’ assessment of climate risk (our own work, for example, has demonstrated that model projections may be underestimating the extent to which climate change is increasing the incidence of dangerous weather extremes). But when it comes to the action that is required to address the climate crisis, what is really needed is effective public messaging and persuasion. Yet in an increasingly fragmented, polarized, and politicized society, effectively communicating both the warning signs of a destabilized climate and the promise of solutions to the public and political leaders is fraught.”
Gee, the models are understimating the problem? And, when was the climate ever stable?
“warning signs of a destabilized climate”
So now Michael Mann is claiming the climate is destablizing.
Is that like in the movie “2012” where the Earth’s crust was destablizing?
What signs of a destabilizing climate do you see, Michael?
Michael wants us to think every weather event is a destabilizing sign of the climate. Michael wants to keep his climate change lie alive, so he claims to see catastrophic climate change in everything.
It’s just weather, Michael, Griff.
“….climate change is increasing the incidence of dangerous weather extremes..”
A lie oft repeated becomes accepted as truth if allowed to stand without rebuttal.
We need to reply with fats and data; the public today seems to accept assertions as truth if it come with sufficient emotion. Is Dr. Pielke’s (Jr) data incorrect?
Facebook is now flooded with many emotional messages from organizations (e.g. something like “Mothers for Science”). Are those ads being paid for by the evil Fossil Fuel Denier Industry?
From the article: “COP 26 President Alok Sharma, MP hung his head and proclaimed through tears, “May I just say to all delegates, I apologize for the way this process has unfolded and I am deeply sorry.””
This guy, blubbering over the failure of COP26, was the highlight of the conference for me.
As Napoleon apparently said [paraphrasing]: “Never interrupt your enemy when they’re making a mistake”.
We need to be careful we don’t make it too obvious that the COPs are a lame duck lest they replace it with something much worse. So let’s cheer on the “progress” of the COPs as a way to keep them busy, and otherwise out of our business.
Liar Mann has built a career on lying about climate, so of course he’s going to attack Marc Morano, whose truth-telling undermines Mann’s lies and his career built on those lies.
There isn’t any science that supports human aided climate change. Mann is a liar. Greta is an ignorant tool. Everyone should start a blog blasting those two losers.
It is ludicrous that serial liar Mann criticize anyone for anything.
I will never understand how a “scientist” can create the Hockey Stick and portray it as objective and important.
Blind ambition? Noble cause corruption? Mental disorder?
All of the above.
When I believed in Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Change, I rode a bicycle year-round. I doubt Michael Moore has ridden a bicycle in the past ten years.
This is Michael Mann of the hockey stick fiasco?? Massacre data?
There is a prevailing belief that some how scientists are always totally objective. The truth is they are human and many will lie and overlook data contrary to their own research. Mann has done research in tree rings and climate which brought him some fame earlier in his career. Like many others he is convinced his data trumps the data that would invalidate his theories. It’s sad really. I spent my entire career working with PhDs. They are brilliant in many ways but they wear their own theories like underwear, very close to their skin and often defend them when they are indefensible. Mann is just that.
Michael Mann is not qualified to judge Marc Morano. Didn’t Mann create his fictional fraudulent Hockey Stick temperature graph that the IPCC embraced as did Al Gore, both of whom jointly won the Nobel Peace Prize for their works of climate fiction?