November 1951–Catastrophic Floods Hit France & Italy

From NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW THAT

By Paul Homewood

It was not only England that bore the brunt of severe flooding in November 1951. Both the Rhone and Po Valleys were also severely hit:

https://www.britishpathe.com/video/VLVAAW4WKUG135YYBIZC3GEALZI95-FLOODS-DROWN-LARGE-AREAS-IN-RHONE-VALLEY-HISTORIC-AVIGNON-AND/query/flood

https://www.britishpathe.com/video/VLVAENC2W1197WT873SEWOT7Y51PZ-FLOODS-REACH-PEAK-THOUSANDS-ARE-RESCUED-FROM-ISOLATED-TOWNS-AS/query/flood

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gringojay
December 7, 2021 10:29 pm

Has the European rice planting areas diminished so much since 1951 that I couldn’t sell even one piece of motorized equipment?

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Rory Forbes
December 7, 2021 10:43 pm

h/t to Tony Heller at realclimatescience.com

https://realclimatescience.com/2020/01/venice-flooding-update/

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How’s that for unprecedented?

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Chris Hanley
December 7, 2021 11:17 pm

Two years later in 1953 a North Sea storm surge killed 2,551 people in UK, Belgium and Netherlands.
Little did they know back then that such extreme weather events were caused by increasing atmospheric CO2 so they merely constructed ‘ambitious flood defence systems’ and ‘made major investments in new sea defences’.

Ron Long
Reply to  Chris Hanley
December 8, 2021 2:04 am

In 1951 and 1953 floods were weather events, now they are climate change, and the only solution to climate change is for you to give me your money.

Dennis
Reply to  Ron Long
December 8, 2021 5:02 pm

And rarely mentioned is the flooding of Venice at high tide as the timber piles supporting the city sink into the sand.

Waza
December 7, 2021 11:34 pm

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/02626667.2017.1349314

The Rhone Valley is a very good example of a complex catchment where over the centuries both man and nature has changed the catchment and channel properties.

So any similar size storm over the centuries does not necessarily give the same flood flows.

There is no river system in the world where we can quantitatively prove man made co2 emissions have increased flooding.

goldminor
Reply to  Waza
December 8, 2021 4:07 pm

But there are many river systems where man made intervention has led to increased flooding.

Richard S Courtney
December 7, 2021 11:36 pm

Paul Homewood,

Your article is good but your illustrations of a flooded San Marco are misplaced because Venice floods a couple of times every year. The city was founded in the fifth century AD by refugees who settled on islands in a swamp but stone architecture does not float and much effort is required to keep the city floating and not sinking into the swamp.

Every tourist who has visited Venice will have seen what appear to be stacks of tables which are put out to form bridges across San Marco when it is flooded. I visited Venice a few years ago when San Marco was not flooded and I enjoyed that because Venice was flooded for both my previous visits.

So, your use of pictures of a flooded San Marco could be thought to be similar to alarmists using pictures of calving ice forming ice bergs in articles about a purportedly ‘melting Arctic’.

Richard

Reply to  Richard S Courtney
December 8, 2021 1:14 am

That’s true, Richard. But isn’t that Paul Homewood’s point? If alarmists had used a pic of San Marco under water, they would be the ones doing the misdirecting. This is the antidote.

Paul’s message is that these things are not unprecedented, having happened many times before (and annually, as you state, in Venice). Paul does an excellent job of debunking the ‘extreme… unprecedented’ headlines on a regular basis – as have others, including Heller and Tony B.

The data, so far, support Paul’s point. I have myself been quite surprised that recent warming hasn’t increased the incidence of flooding (at least, until the old data gets altered) but it is extremely difficult to demonstrate an overall increase in extreme weather, and this point has to be made again and again.

watersider
Reply to  mothcatcher
December 8, 2021 3:43 am

Indeed Mothcatcher,

I support Paul, our Host, Tony Heller, and of course Our Venerable Bishop Hill for keeping us realists sane when we are faced with the daily propaganda.
I live up here in the north east of Scotland, where together with Ireland and the North East of England, we have experienced two quite severe storms in the past two weeks.This has resulted in the loss of overhead provided electricity which has been unavailable due to wires being knocked down by falling trees and poles.
Meanwhile the gangsters who invest in windmills are laughing all the way to the bank as they get paid Danegeld for switching off their windmills due the wind being too strong.
As an aside, my neighbour whose family have been lobster fishers for generations, tells me it is getting more difficult to launch his boat across the rising beach which is due to our recovery from the last ice age.
So far from rising sea levels, up here in the heathen Nor’east we are worried about getting our boats floated due to coastal rising.
Sorry if the South of England is sinking, but is there any chance it would include Peppa Pig Boris, then it would be worth it.

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  Richard S Courtney
December 8, 2021 3:41 am

marsh not swamp- and they drove tens of thousands of tree trunks into the mud to support the buildings- pretty amazing that they did that- though of course not a very long term solution

Scissor
Reply to  Richard S Courtney
December 8, 2021 5:06 am

I’ve been fortunate to be able to spend a few days in Venice to explore and tour. I crossed many bridges, traveled along in canals in many different types of boats, walked the sidewalks that parallel the canals and crisscross the piazzas and campos.

I never once saw any evidence of a swamp or marsh. In fact in the cathedral, I saw more evidence that St. Mark walked the earth. There are those that would destroy civilization to bring back the marshes and swamps. I’m not one as I like civilization.

griff
December 8, 2021 12:46 am

Yes, but 1951 did not see events on the scale of Germany, china and Canada this year, nor, afaik, did that year also see the same scale of record setting heatwaves as this year. And there are other severe rain, wind, storm and drought events in the last 6 months too.

Get over it: climate change is bringing the predicted extreme and damaging weather.

gringojay
Reply to  griff
December 8, 2021 1:05 am

Ah, the good old days …

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Mr.
Reply to  gringojay
December 8, 2021 7:25 am

Bare footed too 🙁

alastair gray
Reply to  griff
December 8, 2021 1:17 am

You are absolutely right Griff and so wise Of course these floods were catastrophically worse, of biblicakl proportions even (Now there was another CO2 episode) and it is all our fault. Blindingly obvious. Can I and my wife sign up for Griff’s Ark?

alastair gray
Reply to  griff
December 8, 2021 1:20 am

Is Griff real or is he a little bit like Goldstein in 1984 – a bogeyman conjured up by Anthony to keep malcontent skeptics on the party hymnbook. I think we should burn Griff in effigy next Hate Week.

Derg
Reply to  alastair gray
December 8, 2021 2:37 am

I have always wondered if Griff is Anthony’s cruel joke.

Reply to  griff
December 8, 2021 1:21 am

Griff
I have no idea whether you believe what you are saying or not.
But you certainly know how to provoke the denizens here and I guess this thread will be successfully diverted by your comments, as so often. Why can’t you actually debate on a rational basis a particular point, instead of always throwing in a bald and broad claim and moving on.
If you actually do believe that all this is unprecedented you must be very young and very inexperienced of the world.

Ed Zuiderwijk
Reply to  griff
December 8, 2021 2:03 am

Nonsense. The river Ahr in Germany, to which you refer, has a complete record of flooding as long as your arm, going back to the 15th century. The last time before ‘this year’ was in the late 1950s.

bonbon
Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
December 8, 2021 2:14 am

And the government reacted like a bunch of Griffbots, guaranteeing the next disaster.

David Kamakaris
Reply to  griff
December 8, 2021 4:22 am

Griff, how long is your record?

H.R.
Reply to  David Kamakaris
December 8, 2021 5:34 am

Griff’s record is an LP and about one 1/2-hour long, David.

The sad part is that griff’s attention tends to wander about 10 minutes in and griff can’t recall anything that happened more than 15 minutes ago.

That explains why griff keeps bringing up the recent flooding in Germany as ‘unprecedented’ even when readers keep posting the image of the church marked with flood stages going back to the 1300s, many marks being even higher than the recent flood.

(I really would like to buy a dime bag of whatever griff is smoking. Really good stuff, I’m sure.)

Mr.
Reply to  H.R.
December 8, 2021 7:28 am

He’s not allowed matches in the care center.

Bill Powers
Reply to  griff
December 8, 2021 7:31 am

How old are you Griff? Were you over in France and Italy in 1951? How can you be so certain what 1951 saw and where it was located when it (?) saw all the events that it saw.

I love how you Central Authoritarians are so sure of everything. The one problem is, if you were anywhere near as smart as you think you are, you wouldn’t soil you pants every time your shadow materialized in front of you

Redge
Reply to  griff
December 8, 2021 9:02 am

Nonsense, mate.

For once post your data and prove this year was unprecedented.

I won’t hold my breath.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  griff
December 8, 2021 10:17 am

Yes, but 1951 did not see events on the scale of Germany, china and Canada this year

Actually, yes it did. You’re wrong again.

meab
Reply to  meab
December 8, 2021 12:53 pm

Look, mod, it’s entirely appropriate to call griffter a blank blank liar. He’s not being nice to anybody by lying yet you let his lies go through. Something is REALLY wrong with you if you think we should be nice to liars.

pigs_in_space
Reply to  griff
December 8, 2021 12:52 pm

Nutter strikes yet again!

Richard S Courtney
Reply to  griff
December 10, 2021 8:39 am

Griff,

Who “predicted extreme and damaging weather”?
Please say where and when you think they did it and how they did it.

In reality, the climate models cannot predict “extreme and damaging weather” because they lack the required spatial resolution to predict localised effects such as storms.

Indeed, the changes the models do predict suggest the predicted global warming would probably reduce the magnitudes and the frequencies of extreme weather events. This is because
(a) weather events are driven by temperature differences,
(b) the climate models predict large warming in polar regions and little warming in tropical regions
(c) so the predicted warming would reduce temperature differences
(d) and the reduced temperature differences could be expected to reduce weather events.

So, I repeat, please justify your claim that “climate change is bringing the predicted extreme and damaging weather” because I am sure your claim is ‘stuff made up’.

Richard

Steve Case
December 8, 2021 1:33 am

Is there anything claimed to be caused by “Climate Change” that hasn’t happened before or has been happening right along?

Climate believer
Reply to  Steve Case
December 8, 2021 3:06 am

No there isn’t, and that’s why they invented “climate attribution”. The ability (that comes from their models) to assign a AGW quantified thumbprint on any weather event they please.

That way they get to scientize extreme weather by explaining “of course this has happened before…….but……now……..according to our models, climate change has been found to have been an influence”

As an example you get this, referring to the flooding in Ahr-Erft region (Germany) and on the Meuse (Belgium):

“Climate change increased the intensity of the maximum 1-day rainfall event in the summer season in this large region by about 3 – 19% compared to a global climate 1.2 °C cooler than today.”

What we’re supposed to do with this golden nugget of meaninglessness I do not know.

Mr.
Reply to  Steve Case
December 8, 2021 7:29 am

Yes.
36 genders.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Mr.
December 8, 2021 10:11 am

Oh, it’s far more than that by now. The ambiguity of the term insures that every person on the planet can have a separate “gender”, limited only by the imagination. In other words, gender is a convenient ‘social science‘ fiction.

TonyG
December 8, 2021 9:17 am

But severe flooding is unprecedented, right? Isn’t that what we keep hearing?

Dennis
December 8, 2021 5:09 pm

Of course flood events could be mostly avoided if environmental fools did not oppose the cleaning out of drains and canals that was regular maintenance in the past.

Alasdair Fairbairn
December 9, 2021 1:20 am

Griff LOVES to wind us all up so it clutters up the comments section. Amusing but a waste of time, except, sometimes one gets some very interesting facts to mull over.

Andy Pattullo
December 9, 2021 8:22 am

This can be corrected to conform with models by simply adding 7 decades to the date. there you go: Armageddon saved again.

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