Could Prove Disastrous … But Might Be Required

Ivor Williams

The bad news first: there is more to worry about than climate, covid variants and your electricity supply this winter. Regardless of whether there is a global warming crisis or it’s just the weather behaving badly, projects are being devised which, in spite of the environmentalists’ belief that such cannot exist, are in fact a Plan B for our planet.

The recent Glasgow Conference report from the UN ‘Expresses alarm and utmost concern that human activities have caused around 1.1 °C of warming to date … that impacts are already being felt in every region (and) stresses the urgency of enhancing ambition and action in relation to mitigation, adaptation and finance.’

‘Mitigation’ means reducing the flow of CO2 and other greenhouse gases into the atmosphere. ‘Adaptation’ is a process of reduction in vulnerability to the harmful effects of a change in the climate. ‘Finance’ covers inter alia exactly how much money nations originally responsible for dirtying the atmosphere should give to poorer ones as compensation.

It has been evident to many people for some time that the chances reducing global emissions over the next ten or twenty years are very slim. The UN Report curiously did not mention that science has come up with another heading: intervention, to give a more immediate and effective solution by controlling the weather. The idea (now called geoengineering) is not new.

Apart from magic rituals, the first attempts were no more than huge bonfires to provoke convective updrafts and therefore rain. In the 1940s cloud seeding began, aiming for the same result and is still continuing in some parts of the world. By 1958 they were worried about global temperatures falling. One scientific article even advocated covering deserts and poles with carbon dust, and wondered if it would help to detonate ten ‘clean’ 10-megaton bombs in the Arctic.

By 1982 a UN Conference was being warned ‘that the world must deal with a fast approaching ice age.’ The 1958 suggestions were repeated: paint the polar regions black, and maybe even ‘raise water vapour from the oceans with hydrogen bombs to create a greenhouse effect.’

Luckily for life on earth those extreme experiments did not happen. It was not until the late 1990s that growing concern, now about the warming climate, led to much more serious ideas.

21st century geoengineering has come up with several basic proposals which would directly affect our weather: solar radiation management by spraying particles in the high atmosphere to reduce the sun’s radiation; marine cloud brightening to reflect more of the sunlight; and cirrus cloud thinning, to allow more heat to escape back into space.

Other, maybe safer, engineering projects focus on extracting the atmospheric CO2 at ground level or capturing the carbon escaping from coal-fired power stations.

See press cutting copy. The complete Guardian 1982 article is not available  on the website reference as I don’t have access to the full archive.

The argument for some form of geoengineering is persuasive: dimming the sun’s radiation slightly, scientists say, would slow down or even stop temperatures rising. The effect would be almost immediate, as has been proved by historic volcanic eruptions, notably that of Tambora in 1816, which was later known as the year without a summer.

But danger lurks in two directions: such a project could be used as an excuse for easing back on zero-carbon-by-2030/40/50 plans, and the detailed effects of an attempt to control the world’s weather would be difficult, if not impossible, to predict.

 Who would be to blame if, in spite of the otherwise welcome pause in global temperatures, Brazil had no rain for six months, or the climate of the Middle East became more like Norway?

The case for some kind of direct action could eventually be impossible to counter. The Glasgow agreements will not stop emissions rising. If global temperatures also continue upwards, then climate hysteria will lead to a call for more positive solutions than heat pumps or electric cars.

Playing God with our atmosphere could ward off the worst effects of any further change in the climate. But it might cause a greater catastrophe than anything seen since the mass extinction at the end of the Cretaceous Period.

Current research has not shown any way to limit the effects of dimming the sun, nor could such an experiment be shut down quickly if the results proved dangerous. The conclusion of a scientific study in November 2014 has not yet been questioned: ‘(geoengineering) schemes to tackle climate change could prove disastrous for billions of people, but might be required for the good of the planet.’

That’s the bad news. Good news? Sorry, there isn’t any.

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MarkW
December 7, 2021 6:11 am

When it becomes obvious that the climate is not following the dictates of the models, they will perform a few small scale experiments at “climate control”, nothing big enough to have noticeable impacts.
Then when the temperature continues to cool, they will declare their experiments a success and start telling everyone how they saved the world.
And with the backing of government and media, most of the myrmidons will believe them.

John Tillman
Reply to  MarkW
December 7, 2021 6:20 am

It’s already working, and they haven’t done anything yet!

The world has cooled since February 2016. Arctic sea ice yesterday was higher on that date than in all but three years since 2005, ie 2008, 2013 and 2014. It was above average for the whole century, and right on the 2001-10 mean, obviously well above 2011-20.

MarkW
Reply to  John Tillman
December 7, 2021 8:40 am

I did say “when it becomes obvious”.

They have so far been successful in “hiding the decline”.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  John Tillman
December 7, 2021 8:59 am

We can’t say that “the world has cooled”. You can say that the imaginary “global mean temperature” has gone down, maybe, but that has no relationship to the physical world.

Reply to  Jeff Alberts
December 7, 2021 9:19 am

The true average temperature has a physical connection to the average Stefan-Boltzmann emissions of the surface. Those emissions are Joules and Joules have a significant relationship to the physical world where their conservation dictates the ultimate steady state. The only fake average temperature is a linear average, rather than the physical average of T^4.

MAL
Reply to  co2isnotevil
December 8, 2021 1:38 am

The true average temperature has a physical connection to the average Stefan-Boltzmann emissions of the surface. ” If we were to measure Stefan-Boltzmann emissions would the errors bars of our measurements exceed the difference we would detect. I fairly certain the answer would be yes.

Phil R
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
December 8, 2021 8:27 am

With respect, yes, if they can say “the world has warmed,” we can say “the world has cooled”.

You seem to have the mistaken belief that one can have a rational conversation with irrational people. You’re trying to argue science with people who don’t give a shiite about science, other than how they can misrepresent it to forward their globalist agenda.

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Ron Long
Reply to  MarkW
December 7, 2021 7:10 am

Thanks, MarkW, my new word for the day to look up is “myrmidons”, coming from the Greek, meaning the followers of an unscrupulous person.

John Tillman
Reply to  Ron Long
December 7, 2021 7:20 am

From the Greek for “ant”, the name of the founder of the Thessalian Myrmidon tribe:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myrmidon_(hero)

His father Zeus appeared to his mom in the form of an ant.

In The Iliad, Achilles’ troops are Myrmidons.

MarkW
Reply to  John Tillman
December 7, 2021 8:46 am

It also means someone who follows orders without questioning them.

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DMacKenzie
Reply to  MarkW
December 7, 2021 2:02 pm

myrmidons” — literal ant-men of Greek mythology, who followed orders without question — whose very presence in the street was “an unlawful assembly.”
I like the “presence in the street” part, so like the Extinction Rebellion…and a new possible derogation.. “climyrmidons”

H.R.
Reply to  DMacKenzie
December 7, 2021 5:45 pm

Oooo… climyridons. That’s catchy, DMacKenzie.

John Tillman
Reply to  DMacKenzie
December 8, 2021 11:35 am

“Climate” is also a Greek word.

whiten
Reply to  John Tillman
December 7, 2021 9:07 am

The Iliad.
Achilles’ was (is) the very epitome of the unscrupulous man…
aka the;

“myrmidons”
meaning the followers of an unscrupulous person.”

Devoted and loyal special minions to a top notch unscrupulous person like Achilles’.

cheers

Vuk
Reply to  whiten
December 7, 2021 10:06 am

Talking about matters military, there is lot of merriment in Russian media after Potus-Putin talks.
Potus is Commander in Chief but didn’t have an orderly assigned to turn his mike on.
Joe was suppose to talk tough, but ‘frightened’ Putin laughed off Joe’s treat of the most severe sanctions.It’s not time for popcorn, but I hope the end of all of this just that, comedy and not a tragedy.

John Tillman
Reply to  Vuk
December 7, 2021 10:23 am

In intel analysis, it’s wise to focus on capabilities rather than intentions. With most of the Ukrainian army in the Donbas, Russia has the capability to overrun eastern and southern Ukraine in weeks.

Putin’s intention might be merely to apply diplomatic pressure, but he retains at least the contingency of invasion. He also has a division-size force in Belarus, threatening to cut off Kiev from the west.

The Polish government ought to recruit recently separated volunteers from its ground forces to deploy opposite those Russian brigades. The troops would be familiar with much Ukrainian equipment. Such a volunteer brigade from a NATO country, perhaps 5000 strong, could deter at least attack from Belarus.

Poland is doubling its army, without conscription, upgrading and modernizing its arms, by selling bonds.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  John Tillman
December 7, 2021 4:40 pm

If moving Russian troops around can get Putin a deal he likes then he might not attack anyone.

Moving troops to the Ukraine border is good training for the troops.

Putin is looking for opportunities. If he can win without fighting, he will do it.

Russian troops won’t have it all their way if they do attack into Ukraine. Putin may find himself bogged down in a guerrilla war of attrition. It wouldn’t look good for him if he didn’t get a quick victory after putting in his troops.

Putin will probably use proxy troops if any attacks do occur. Or Russian troops disguised as proxy troops like he did last time. Although that didn’t help Putin much at home because the home folks knew who was getting killed, their loved ones, and they were not too happy with Putin over that.

Putin looked like he was really enjoying the conversation with Biden today. Putin was probably thinking to himself that the $5 million one of Putin’s cronies (Moscow Mayor’s Wife) paid to Hunter Biden is paying off handsomely. Biden is neutralized by the threat of blackmail, on top of being an appeaser by nature, and being mentally deficient.

The U.S. has the worst possible type of leader at the present time. He should be impeached and removed from office as soon as possible.

Vincent Causey
Reply to  John Tillman
December 8, 2021 12:23 am

Actually it was all started by an “anonymous” source in the WaPo. It’s all BS, and people are falling for it. I mean, why does the source have to be anonymous? If the pentagon has intel of an imminent Russian invasion, wouldn’t they just say so?

C’mon man!

John Tillman
Reply to  Vincent Causey
December 8, 2021 6:06 am

The Pentagon has intel of a massive buildup. Putin’s intentions are unknown, but can be guessed. He has ammased the capability to invade, which also serves his purpose by putting diplomatic pressure on the West to guarantee by binding treaty the neutrality of Ukraine, a la Finland.

His occupation of the Donbas and Crimea also makes NATO membership impossible, as it did in Georgia and Moldava, by creating border disputes. But Ukraine’s endemic corruption further argues against membership.

That said, he retains the option of invasion. The APCs and IFVs in the satellite pictures are painted white, for winter camoulfage, so he’s either being sneaky or plans to wait for hard frozen ground and snow. The rasputitsa is over, but the ground still isn’t as hard as he might like.

But if he waits until after the Olympics, he risks running into an early spring rasputitsa.

John Tillman
Reply to  Vincent Causey
December 9, 2021 5:34 am

https://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htsf/articles/20211208.aspx

Special Operations: The Russian Plan For Absorbing Ukraine

Vincent Causey
Reply to  John Tillman
December 8, 2021 12:37 am

File under ridiculae. If Russia invaded Ukraine it would be turned into a pariah state instantly. All the diplomatic work done in the past, building relations with other states like India, Pakistan etc would be torn asunder. There would be massive disapproval from the Russian people.

No rational leader would even entertain such an idea for a second. All that actually happened is an “anonymous” leak to the WaPo on the back of troops moved to – where? Yelnya, 160 miles from the Ukraine border. They have to keep this narrative going I suppose, but it does sound increasingly like an obsession of deluded fools.

John Tillman
Reply to  Vincent Causey
December 8, 2021 5:15 am

It’s based upon satellite imagery and sigint. Putin presently has deployed 100 battalion task groups to the border, in Crimea, Russia and Belarus. That’s 11 division-equivalents. He already has troops fighting in the Donbas.

He may prefer winning without fighting, but further sanctions won’t deter him. The only one left which would hurt would be Nord Stream 2, but Germans will freeze in the dark if that Baltic pipeline be shut down.

The buildup is real, even if its goal is a formal diplomatic treaty Finlandizing Ukraine. But it also offers the contingent option of Crimeazation of eastern and southern Ukraine.

Guerrilla resistance would yield destroyed Ukrainian speaking rural villages.

India is locked into buying a lot of Russian military products. It might select Western competitors for new acquisitions, but that’s not going to constrain Putin if he decides invasion is his best option. Ask Chechens, Georgians, Syrians and Crimean and Donbas Ukrainians.

John Tillman
Reply to  John Tillman
December 8, 2021 6:30 am

https://news.yahoo.com/russian-gas-transit-via-ukraine-162238835.html

Nord Stream 2 is cutting out Ukraine as Russian gas middleman.

John Tillman
Reply to  Vincent Causey
December 8, 2021 9:19 am

Russian annexation might even win in an honest plebiscite in the bluest oblasts:

Results of 2010 presidential election

https://images.app.goo.gl/pcAQ5aqkcLeeiEB87

MarkW
Reply to  Vincent Causey
December 8, 2021 10:34 am

He’s gotten away with invading neighbors several times now. Why should he expect this time to be any different?

John Tillman
Reply to  MarkW
December 8, 2021 12:11 pm

NATO rules make Putin’s playbook easy. Just create border conflicts, and the affected nation-state can’t join the alliance, which is as it should be, but readily exploited.

That’s how Putin kept Georgia, Moldova and Ukraine out of NATO. Moldova and Ukraine however are also hopelessly corrupt at present.

Best for impoverished Moldova would be to vote itself, less Russian-majority Trans-Dnistria, into Romania. If it comes to war, Putin would attack across southern Ukraine to hook up with Trans-Dnistria.

Putin was also motivated in the Georgian case to stop a pipeline to the Black Sea from the Baku oil fields of Azerbaijan across Georgia.

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Tom Abbott
Reply to  Vuk
December 7, 2021 4:28 pm

It’s like dueling with an unarmed man.

John Tillman
Reply to  whiten
December 8, 2021 11:41 am

IMO Agamemnon had fewer scruples than Achilles. The king had no right to Briseis, beautiful daughter of a Trojan priest, captured by Achilles, but bigfooted him. He was justified in sulking over being deprived of his rightful prize.

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Vuk
Reply to  John Tillman
December 7, 2021 9:20 am

Never heard of the word before, thanks boys for your help, but I by far prefer her for the historic and certainly visual interpretation
https://youtu.be/fw4Wl8h7SQk

John Tillman
Reply to  Vuk
December 7, 2021 9:51 am

Except that she is a mine of misinformation.

Sparta didn’t invent the phalanx. Homer himself uses the word, to distingush group fighting in shield wall line from individual combat. The formation goes back at least as far as Sumer.

“Hoplite” comes from “hoplon”, a kind of shield, not spear, transliterated in English as “dory”, but pronounced “doru” in Greek.

Vuk
Reply to  John Tillman
December 7, 2021 10:47 am

Minor detail.
Sparta is us Montenegrins!
The Irish poet and traveller, Eyles Irwin in the early 19h century observed that
Montenegrins as regressing back to the condition of nature, having destroyed all the traces of civilization their predecessors had built up, warriors of a barbarian race being every male capable of holding a gun.
Montenegrins are of Greek origin, but, alas, only “wretched remains” of a once splendid nation, placing Montenegro among the primitive tribes of the world, those who were still to be conquered, the giants and Spartan warriors.
Mother exhorts son worior , in the language of the Spartan matrons, when they more nobly sent their sons against the public enemy.
“Return victorious — or return no more! “

https://www.reddit.com/r/montenegro/comments/hz0udn/description_of_the_montenegrins_by_eyles_irwin_as/

All nonsense of course, but make sense.

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John Tillman
Reply to  Vuk
December 7, 2021 11:37 am

As you know, Montenegro has little or no connection to Sparta. In antiquity, it was part of Illyria. Then in the Middle Ages, the Slavs arrived.

Vuk
Reply to  John Tillman
December 7, 2021 12:10 pm

Excluding Sparta and ancient Greek connection, the rest is not far from reality of the time of his visit. If he ventured further inland from Kotor his description of “natives of Montagna Negro as a parcel of banditti” would appear to an educated Brit far too generous.

John Tillman
Reply to  Vuk
December 7, 2021 12:28 pm

Of course the Black Mountain harbored a nest of banditti.

But compared to the Albanians, they were Boy Scouts!

Not to mention Albanians in Kosovo. High lonely refuges are ideal banditti hideouts.

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John Tillman
Reply to  Vuk
December 7, 2021 11:37 am

Those details were just some of the things she got wrong in the first minute.

John Tillman
Reply to  John Tillman
December 7, 2021 11:51 am

Butler’s translation of Homer’s The Iliad, 6.6:

“First, Ajax son of Telamon, tower of strength to the Achaeans, broke a phalanx of the Trojans, and came to the assistance of his comrades by killing Akamas son of Eussoros, the best man among the Thracians, being both brave and of great stature. The spear struck the projecting peak of his helmet: its bronze point then went through his forehead into the brain, and darkness veiled his eyes.”

She might be right that at the time of the Trojan War (whether it happened or not), Mycaenaean Greeks might not have fought in phalanges, but archaeologists can’t be sure. But by Homer’s time, they clearly did.

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Vuk
Reply to  John Tillman
December 7, 2021 1:00 pm

External scenes for The Trojan Horse (La guerra di Troia) with With Steve Reeves was shot in 1961 about couple of miles south of town where I was born and grew up. lot of locals took part in mass scenes.
Long after they left we as kids use to go and play in ruins of the ‘ancient Troja’ constructed out of plaster and plywood boards, I think some of it was set to fire as the part of the story.

https://youtu.be/1EAMQvHG8XQ

If you skip trough to 4’20” you can see present day view of the hills where ‘the ancient Troja’ was, on the hillside of the smaller one to the north.
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.4045206,19.2450517,3a,75y,301.79h,77.55t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s5my2La0ARz96QgJrd-Q1EQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

The Montenegro capital (then Titograd, now Podgorica) has expanded and nearly doubled in size since.

John Tillman
Reply to  Vuk
December 7, 2021 1:08 pm

I did not know that, although did know that some Western movies were shot in Yugoslavia during the Cold War.

Vuk
Reply to  John Tillman
December 7, 2021 2:41 pm

The main attraction was Steve Reeves (or his photographs) for many boys of the slightly older generation who took to body-building, previously an unknown hobby.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  John Tillman
December 7, 2021 4:47 pm

Whenever I see a marching band, such as a college marching band, going through their different routines, it makes me think of the ancient troops in their battle formations moving across the battlefield and changing formations on the fly as the battle situation changes.

Would love to have some drone footage of some of those battles. 🙂

John Tillman
Reply to  Tom Abbott
December 8, 2021 5:54 am

Quincunx formation changes:

John Tillman
Reply to  John Tillman
December 7, 2021 11:58 am

When he says “lions”, he really means “ants”:

Tom Abbott
Reply to  John Tillman
December 8, 2021 4:33 pm

Thanks for those videos, John. Much appreciated.

John Tillman
Reply to  John Tillman
December 8, 2021 11:38 am

Phthiotis, southern Thessaly, to be more precise, including Achilles’ home near Pharsalus.

Melvyn Dackombe
Reply to  Ron Long
December 8, 2021 3:37 am

But how it it pronounced ?

John Tillman
Reply to  Melvyn Dackombe
December 8, 2021 6:15 am

In English /ˈməːmɪd(ə)n/. In ancient Greek, “moor-mee-do’nas”, with a long O (o-mega, ie big O). The letter for short O is o-micron (little O), so much in the news lately.

eyesonu
Reply to  MarkW
December 7, 2021 6:43 pm

I thought I was the only one that had to look up “myrmidons” until I scrolled on down the comments. lol

MarkW
Reply to  eyesonu
December 8, 2021 10:36 am

I only know it because it was a favorite word for Neil Boortz, a talk radio host form Atlanta.

John Tillman
Reply to  MarkW
December 8, 2021 12:51 pm

Who knew that conservative talk radio imparted a classical education?

Pretty sure that Rush couldn’t have defined “myrmidon”, but then he wasn’t a fancy pants lawyer.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  John Tillman
December 8, 2021 4:36 pm

I miss Rush. One of a kind.

John Tillman
Reply to  Tom Abbott
December 9, 2021 5:30 am

Sadly, it appears so.

John Garrett
December 7, 2021 6:12 am

The Law of Unintended Consequences is codified in Murphy’s Law.

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alastair gray
Reply to  John Garrett
December 7, 2021 7:58 am

Murphy’s law states that “anything that can go wrong will go wrong”. There is however a more powerful law that holds in the UK at least Sod’s Law
which simply states ” Murphy was an incurable optimist”

Peter Fraser
Reply to  alastair gray
December 7, 2021 11:17 am
  1. Murphy’s law must be in the thoughts of every scientist, engineer and technician working on the James Webb infra red telescope. The launch and subsequent deployment of the James Webb infra red telescope is an unbelievably complex mission where the failure of any one of a multitude of operations would probably mean the failure of the whole.
JEHILL
Reply to  alastair gray
December 7, 2021 11:25 am

“anything that can go wrong will go wrong”.

“…and will go wrong at the worse possible time…”

“…and in the worse possible order…”

Those are the corollaries my Army unit added to Murphy’s Law.

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Coach Springer
December 7, 2021 6:20 am

“for the good of the planet.”

Never trust someone using that language. Ever.

alastair gray
Reply to  Coach Springer
December 7, 2021 7:59 am

Especially when they may want to call on you to sacrifice yourself “for the good of the planet”

MarkW
Reply to  alastair gray
December 7, 2021 8:42 am

Doubly so, when they refuse to make any sacrifices themselves.
Triply so, when they already use many times more resources than you do.

Geoff Sherrington
Reply to  Coach Springer
December 7, 2021 11:42 pm

Coach,
Also on the list is “Holistic”. Geoff S

ThinkingScientist
December 7, 2021 6:28 am

If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.

Nick Schroeder
December 7, 2021 6:28 am

The albedo/atmosphere make the Earth cooler not warmer.
Yes or no? If no pls ‘splain.
The GHGs must absorb “extra” energy upwelling from the surface radiating as a black body. (aka Radiative Forcing) The kinetic energy heat transfer processes in the contiguous atmospheric molecules make surface BB impossible as also demonstrated by experiment.
Agree or disagree? If disagree pls ‘splain.
If both or either of these points is correct the greenhouse effect is not.
No greenhouse effect, no GHG warming, no man/CO2 driven global warming or climate change.
RF is akin to caloric, phlogiston and luminiferous ether. A made up, hocus pocus, handwavium explanation for the GHE. Neither are real.
Version 1.0 120721

Radiative.jpg
RickWill
Reply to  Nick Schroeder
December 7, 2021 1:10 pm

The albedo/atmosphere make the Earth cooler not warmer.

On average it is cooling. Over a 12 month cycle, the atmospheric water cools for 9 months and warms for three months.

On a spacial basis, any location where the atmospheric water column exceeds 45mm will be in cooling mode while less than 45mm will be in a warming mode.

An interesting fact to ponder is that when the oceans have maximum heat uptake in December and January, the atmospheric water is at its minimum. That occurs because the land as a whole is always losing radiated heat while oceans on average are always gaining radiated heat. When land is at its coldest relative to the oceans, the atmospheric water is doing its best to transfer heat from ocean to land and that reduces the amount of atmospheric water allowing higher ocean surface insolation.

Laertes
December 7, 2021 6:41 am

“But danger lurks in two directions: such a project could be used as an excuse for easing back on zero-carbon-by-2030/40/50 plans”

Read between the lines: one of the dangers is that the problem will be solved. An ordinary thinking man would say: “Ok, so if we are no longer experiencing climate change, there is no need for zero carbon”. But it’s wrong. It’s wrong for the exact same reason that Extinction Rebellion writes in their manifesto that they won’t “accept technofixes”, only “system change”.

Their line is: “no matter if other solutions exist, zero carbon must be reality”. Think about that. Communism only.

Rocketscientist
Reply to  Laertes
December 7, 2021 10:30 am

…um wouldnt a system change be a “technofix”? How else do the expect the system to change? Or, are they admitting the system changes on it own without any intervention? (As it has historically long before man arrived on the scene)

Their logic is truly dizzying?

M Courtney
December 7, 2021 6:43 am

As climate is not linear any intervention cannot be reversed just by doing the opposite or stopping doing it. Any intervention can have different outcomes to the state before the intervention.
That includes the intervention of reducing CO2 emissions.

Peter Wells
December 7, 2021 6:43 am

if all the fearmongering you have tried so far hasn’t worked, then fearmonger some more!

BCBill
Reply to  Peter Wells
December 7, 2021 10:52 am

Yes. It is many years since I was last afraid of global warming but I might be willing to cut back on CO2 emissions if that would prevent the climate wieners from playing with geoengineering. That is a truly terrifying prospect.

Tom Halla
December 7, 2021 6:46 am

As if the climate models work well enough to use them for engineering?

fretslider
December 7, 2021 6:49 am

The road to hell used to be paved with good intentions

Now it’s plain madness

Ron Long
Reply to  fretslider
December 7, 2021 7:12 am

fretslider, the road to hell is filled with myrmidons (see above).

fretslider
Reply to  Ron Long
December 7, 2021 8:11 am

Unscrupulous men, like

YouTube Is Serving Up Climate Misinformation. This Top Scientist Says Google Should Ban It
“On Twitter, Michael E. Mann, director of the Earth System Science Center at Pennsylvania State University, said: “Hey @Youtube. It’s good you’re taking down COVID denial videos. Now it’s time for you to remove climate denial videos. They pose an even greater threat to humanity in the long term.”

Mann wrote the tweet in response to a post from a fellow Twitter user regarding a 2013 video titled “Why Has Global Warming Paused?” featuring William Happer”

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidrvetter/2021/12/07/youtube-is-serving-up-climate-misinformation-this-top-scientist-says-google-should-ban-it/?sh=73e5277de365

He would be at home working for any form of Stasi

Chaswarnertoo
Reply to  fretslider
December 7, 2021 9:31 am

He should be in the State Penn.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  fretslider
December 7, 2021 5:09 pm

“Michael E. Mann, director of the Earth System Science Center at Pennsylvania State University,”

If you want to know about Michael Mann then read “A Disgrace to the Profession” by Mark Steyn.

A lot of people don’t consider Michael Mann a “top scientist”.

Some people consider Mann a fraud who has deliberately distorted the temperature record in order to sell the Human-caused Climate Change scam.

It looks like Mann is still trying to sell the scam. Not a surprise. He has a lot to lose when it is exposed. So he continues to try to keep the lie from being exposed. Now he wants Youtube to act as a censor for him. Mann is heavy into censorship because for him it is self-survival.

Ted
December 7, 2021 6:53 am

The risky consequences of attempts to combat warming are eclipsed by the dangers of giving governments enough power to make such attempts to begin with.

Danley Wolfe
December 7, 2021 7:06 am

Ahem.

Gregory Woods
December 7, 2021 7:10 am

Sounds like the basis for a science fiction mad scientist movie…perhaps starring Little Green Greta…

Rocketscientist
Reply to  Gregory Woods
December 7, 2021 10:35 am

Highlander the Quickening and his “ozone weather shield”

bonbon
December 7, 2021 7:20 am

Everyone knows how far cybernetics has infiltrated both science (climate modelling) and politics (systems analysis), but I seriously believe it is even far worse.

Anyone ever hear of this IT service plan : BREAK and FIX ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Break/fix

Cyberneticists have come to believe the physical climate is an IT system! Break and Fix Climate?
Break’n Fix has already died, replaced with Managed Services. God help the people when they apply Planet Management.
This is the Managerial Technocracy, a disastrous spectacle!

alastair gray
Reply to  bonbon
December 7, 2021 8:04 am

Well once the lunatics have had a go at running the asylum why don’t the Psychotics, and the Professional Planet Mangers have a go to well and truly bollox it beyond any hope of repair. Could all be done under the cover of a climate lockdown followed by a Build Back Spiffingly planet saving initiative

BCBill
Reply to  bonbon
December 7, 2021 10:56 am

I thought climate science was based on homeopathic principles but I see now that it is based on something even less rational, namely management theory.

John Tillman
Reply to  BCBill
December 7, 2021 11:40 am

It’s based on even worse pseudoscience, Marxism.

John Tillman
Reply to  bluecat57
December 7, 2021 7:58 am

No thanks to the gen0cidal ChiCom regime.

Doonman
December 7, 2021 7:28 am

…but might be required for the good of the planet.

Who are the arbiters of “good”? How did they get into that position concerning a planet that is over 4 billion years old when they never live to 100 years?

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Steve Case
December 7, 2021 7:53 am

Geoengineering schemes in order to tackle “Climate Change” are without merit.
If you Google “The law of unintended consequences” and choose “images” page
after page comes up with lots of cartoons that would be appropriate for this topic.

Or if you stick with Google’s default “All” some appropriate definitions come up.
This one seems to fit pretty well:

When we try to make a single change within a complex system, we often end up
causing unintended consequences. These can be positive or negative.

When it comes to “Climate Change” the notion that a cooler world would be an
intended and positive consequence of any geoengineering proposal is insane.

December 7, 2021 8:48 am

The good news is that anthropogenic emissions have little or no effect on concentrations of CO2 in the atmosphere, Natural emissions are 20 or more times all anthropogenic emissions. Nature has it’s own “net zero” within each year. There is little or no accumulation in the atmosphere beyond each year. The rise in concentration is associated with year to year increases in natural emissions from tropical oceans.

All the natural sinks that are “net zeroing” natural emissions are equally effective in absorbing anthropogenic emissions. Carbon dioxide from power plant stacks only has to travel to the nearest clouds to be readily absorbed by cold water to be delivered to the surface in rain soon after. Trees, grass, and cold bodies of water absorb most of the emissions from motor vehicles.

A side note. Natural gas is the ultimate bio-renewable. Methane burns clean, burning four hydrogen atoms for each carbon atom. So drill and frack more; build more pipe lines. Let supply meet demand and reduce inflation and collect more taxes at the same time.

Geoff Sherrington
Reply to  Fred Haynie
December 7, 2021 11:52 pm

Fred,
Does that smokestack CO2 also fail to get anywhere near Mauna Loa for measurement?
Is this the factor that prevents a relation between emissions and concentration?
That explains part of the reason why the emission reduction during Covid is not seen in the Mauna Loa measurements? Geoff S

Reply to  Geoff Sherrington
December 8, 2021 12:03 pm

It hardly gets more than 10 km from it’s source. Check out Southern Great Plains which has many nearby stacks.

Enginer01
December 7, 2021 9:26 am

Some of the same groups that have brought you the failed Sars-CoV-2 vaccines, which did not/do not do what they promised, are thinking about aerosols to block the sun.
What could go wrong, this time?

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Thomas Gasloli
Reply to  Enginer01
December 7, 2021 4:49 pm

The global elites think that because they have failed at everything so far means they will get the next thing right. They are playing the odds.😃

Vuk
December 7, 2021 10:14 am

Quote:
Weather bomb‘ EXPLODES over Britain: 35ft waves spark flood chaos as 1,000-mile wide Storm Barra pummels UK with 80mph gales, rain and up to EIGHT INCHES on snow… after knocking out power to 60,000 homes in Ireland.
/q
Have this people heard it is the WINTER around her.
 

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Tom Abbott
Reply to  Vuk
December 7, 2021 5:15 pm
Pat from kerbob
Reply to  Vuk
December 7, 2021 8:47 pm

Huge low pressure, tail end in northern Italy

DP.
December 7, 2021 10:43 am

Dear Mr Williams

Isn’t geo-engineering just another name for anthropogenic climate change?

The climate change activists will one day get their disaster, when the current interglacial ends and the ice age resumes.

Any people left from the collapsed western civilisation will need to wrap up warmly or learn to mine coal again, at least until the ice sheets return, when they will have to head south for the duration.

DP

JEHILL
December 7, 2021 11:14 am

Hey haven’t they, the alarmist: aka morons, told us that sun plays very little into the man-made global warming:

So it is curious that this statement exists:

“…solar radiation management by spraying particles in the high atmosphere to reduce the sun’s radiation; ….”

I once heard or read about a proposal to build a large set of carbon nano tubes from 500 feet below the ocean’s surface to space for the supposedly cooling the off the oceans. In essence shorting out the lapse rate. I shuddered to think of the unknowable and unintended consequences….

jmorpuss
December 7, 2021 11:48 am

In 2025, US aerospace forces can own the weather by capitalizing on emerging technologies and focusing development of those technologies to war fighting applications

Weather as a Force Multiplier: Owning the Weather in 2025 (dtic.mil)

jmorpuss
December 7, 2021 12:41 pm

Microwave transmitters and receivers are parabolic dish antennas. They produce microwave beams whose spreading angle is proportional to the ratio of the wavelength of the constituent waves to the diameter of the dish. The beams can thus be directed like a searchlight. Radar beams consist of short pulses of microwaves. One can determine the distance of an airplane or ship by measuring the time it takes such a pulse to travel to the object and, after reflection, back to the radar dish antenna. Moreover, by making use of the change in frequency of the reflected wave pulse caused by the Doppler effect (see above Speed of electromagnetic radiation and the Doppler effect), one can measure the speed of objects.

electromagnetic radiation – Radio waves | Britannica

Modern day weather radars are not only used for detection they are also weather modification tools. One may not have much of effect but a grid of them like this has the power to create change.
NEXRAD and TDWR Radar Locations (noaa.gov)
the first microwave oven was called a radar range for a reason , because radars produce atmospheric heating.

jmorpuss
December 7, 2021 12:44 pm

NASA’s Van Allen Probes Spot Man-Made Barrier Shrouding Earth

Humans have long been shaping Earth’s landscape, but now scientists know we can shape our near-space environment as well. A certain type of communications — very low frequency, or VLF, radio communications — have been found to interact with particles in space

Van Allen Probes Spot Man-Made Barrier Shrouding Earth | NASA

RickWill
December 7, 2021 12:51 pm

All this utter nonsense because climate models are unrelated to climate but rather belief systems all making false predictions.

Tom Abbott
December 7, 2021 4:24 pm

From the article: “That’s the bad news. Good news? Sorry, there isn’t any.”

That’s not true. The good news is that CO2 has not been shown to affect the Earth’s weather the way alarmists claim it does.

From the article: “The case for some kind of direct action could eventually be impossible to counter.”

I see. You are working under an unsubstantiated assumption that CO2 adds enough warmth to the Earth’s atmosphere to be detected and/or to change the Earth’s weather.

There’s nothing to support this, Mr. Williams. You are assuming things not in evidence and then extrapolating from there. This is not science. This is pure speculation. We don’t need to geo-engineer the Earth’s atmosphere. It’s doing just fine on its own.

goldminor
December 7, 2021 6:17 pm

There has been a string of moderate quakes off of the coast of Oregon. This could be foreshocks for a larger quake. … https://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/map/?extent=-83.23643,-435.9375&extent=83.11107,76.28906&baseLayer=satellite&timeZone=utc

Pat from kerbob
Reply to  goldminor
December 7, 2021 8:42 pm

Brother lives on vancouver island

That big one is coming eventually, last one in 1700?
For last 15 years there have been major slips all around the pacific, except for North America.

Would be pretty hard for BC to deal with after that flood

Gary Pearse
December 7, 2021 6:47 pm

There is no question the jig is up for the climateers and they know it now. They admit that the models are running a way too hot. Their biggest fear is that we appear to be heading into another 30yr cooling period. All this geoengineering and anti fossil fuels policy in a hurry is so that that they can take credit for ‘stopping the warming that is stopping anyway – getting ahead of the parade so to speak.

Roger Knights
December 7, 2021 7:04 pm

Adding iron oxide dust to the oceans in locations where microorganisms are starved of it would enable them to take up CO2 and sequester it when they die and sink and/or promote the population of salmon or krill, the latter being helpful to whales. If untoward effects occur, the addition could be immediately stopped.

At a minimum a start could be made in the Gulf of Alaska, where a very successful experiment occurred over a half-dozen years ago.

Pat from kerbob
December 7, 2021 8:39 pm

I think it needs to be made clear to any aspiring geoengineers that if they mess up the planet they don’t just die but they get given the full William Wallace treatment, with a good dose of ideas from Game of Thrones, like Bolton.

The consequences for them need to be clear to prevent silly experiments

MAL
December 8, 2021 1:34 am

Last I check the ozone hole is still there, seems to be about the same as it was when we first found it and getting rid of Freon seems to have made no difference. Of course our intellectual morons somehow left out most of the chlorine in the atmosphere come from the oceans.

Gunga Din
December 8, 2021 3:39 pm

Seeding clouds to, maybe, produce rain is about the only local-engineering that has sometimes worked.
The only global geoengineering I can think of to “combat” CAGW that might succeed would be to play the game “Geothermal Nuclear War” for real.
But I doubt a “Nuclear Winter” would improve much.

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