“Slow Disaster Playing Out” As Germany Moves To Shut Down 8.5 GW Of Baseload Nuclear Capacity

From the NoTricksZone

By P Gosselin on 28. November 2021

At FaceBook, Dane Peter Bardland presents a chart and commentary on Germany’s upcoming rapid nuclear power phaseout.

By the end of 2022, the government will have shut down another 6 plants with a total (baseload) capacity of 8.54 gigawatts!


Chart: Presented by Peter Bardland

Yesterday we commented here that Germany will in fact be shutting down all the baseload power sources, which ironically kept the country from blacking out in 2021 because wind and solar power failed to deliver as expected.

“Disaster playing out”…”pretty crazy”

Bardland writes:

In just over a month, Germany will close 3 of its newest and best nuclear power plants and more than 4050 MW of electricity will disappear from northern Europe’s power grid. 4050 MW is equivalent to the average electricity consumption of all of Denmark.

It will put supply security further under pressure and them choosing to do so in the middle of winter is pretty crazy.
Not only will the 4050 MW of shut off nuclear power lead to more CO2 emissions, but it will cause much more pollution from the burning of biomass and fossil fuels. Next winter, Germany will close the last 3 nuclear power plants, also 4000 MW.

Anyone who has followed the energy and climate political debate, even superficially, over the last 10-20 years can see that Germany, Denmark and other ‘green crazy countries’ are doing it vigorously AGAINST what logic and science dictates.

We see a slow disaster playing out with The Greens in the lead role as the crazy villain, hell-bent in their eagerness to wipe out life and prosperity.

(PS. Buy warm clothes, food, water and candles, for the coming winter).”

On top of the baseload power shutdown madness, German Health Minister Jens Spahn said he favored a one-year complete lockdown of unvaxxed Germans. There’s definitely something in someone’s water.

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Eric Worrall(@eworrall1)
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November 28, 2021 10:10 pm

Former German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder, Merkel’s predecessor, was promptly employed by Putin as his Western energy supply emissary after he was dumped from Germany’s government Bundestag in a no confidence vote.

Schroeder, who is likely insanely rich by now, is still a Putin confidante and an important person in Russia’s energy industry.

If I was German I might be asking myself just whose interests are Schroeder’s old buddies in the German government serving. But this would all just be speculation, of course.

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Duker
Reply to  Eric Worrall
November 28, 2021 10:24 pm

Schroeder and his party engineered the no confidence vote in 2005 in order to have early elections before the standard 4 yr term was up.
The end result was SPD was back in government but as they had 1 seat less than the Union parties were the junior party in government

Vuk
Reply to  Duker
November 29, 2021 8:54 am

Let’s have some fun first with a lady punk rocker for the Merkel’s choice of music for her leaving party

https://youtu.be/RpWKrIxi2GY

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Travis
Reply to  Vuk
November 30, 2021 5:37 pm

my new favorite entertainer

The Saint
Reply to  Travis
November 30, 2021 6:35 pm

Odd that this is happening when many are just beginning to realize that humanity is in trouble and nuclear power is the only energy source that will allow mankind to keep from falling off a cliff in history. Those working on fusion reactors had better step up their game because we don’t have many more years before we see societal collapse without this solution.

bonbon
Reply to  Eric Worrall
November 29, 2021 4:23 am

What brought that government down was using simply a copy of Blair’s New Labour, Die Neue Mitte, a manifesto written in London by Mandelson (The Third Man). The parties have never recovered.

Schroeder on Gazprom’s board is obviously now working in Germany’s interest, oil. Even the Soviet was a reliable partner all through the Cold War.

Biden, and Trump are not working in Germany’s interest, nor even US voter’s interests (Trump for a short time with London’s Russiagate at his heels). In whose interests is Blair for?

Duker
Reply to  bonbon
November 29, 2021 3:31 pm

Schroeder isnt on Gazprom board
He is on the Russian-German Nordstream AG pipeline company board and is chairman

bonbon
Reply to  Duker
November 30, 2021 2:51 am

Soon after stepping down as chancellor, Schröder accepted Gazprom’s nomination for the post of the head of the shareholders’ committee of Nord Stream AG: Gazprom is sole shareholder.
So I think part of the delay of this vital NordStream 2 is actually partisan. Shades of the GOP and DEM merrygoround.

Reply to  Eric Worrall
November 29, 2021 5:05 am

Told you so in 2002 and more specifically in 2013 – 8+ years ago.
We are governed by scoundrels and imbeciles.
 
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/10/31/blind-faith-in-climate-models/#comment-1130954
AN OPEN LETTER TO BARONESS VERMA, OCTOBER 31, 2013
By Allan MacRae, B.A.Sc.(Eng.), M.Eng.
[excerpt]
So here is my real concern:
IF the Sun does indeed drive temperature, as I suspect, Baroness Verma, then you and your colleagues on both sides of the House may have brewed the perfect storm.
You are claiming that global cooling will NOT happen, AND you have crippled your energy systems with excessive reliance on ineffective grid-connected “green energy” schemes.
I suggest that global cooling probably WILL happen within the next decade or sooner, and Britain will get colder.
I also suggest that the IPCC and the Met Office have NO track record of successful prediction (or “projection”) of global temperature and thus have no scientific credibility.
I suggest that Winter deaths will increase in the UK as cooling progresses.
I suggest that Excess Winter Mortality, the British rate of which is about double the rate in the Scandinavian countries, should provide an estimate of this unfolding tragedy.
 

EUROPE’S ENERGY CRISIS ABOUT TO WORSEN AS WINTER ARRIVES
By Rachel Morison On 11/28/2021
 
LONDON (Bloomberg) –Energy prices in Europe are repeatedly breaking records even before winter really kicks in, and one of the most damaging cost crunches in history is about to get worse as the temperature starts to drop.
A super price spike in the UK last month forced some industrial companies to cut production and seek state aid, a harbinger for what could play out widely in Europe just as it contends with a resurgence of the coronavirus. For governments, it could mean tension with neighboring countries by moving to protect supplies. For households, it could mean being asked to use less energy or even plan for rolling blackouts.

Dave Fair
Reply to  Steven M Mosher
November 29, 2021 7:13 am

drastic measures are always taken to avoid manufactured doom

WXcycles
Reply to  Dave Fair
November 29, 2021 10:30 am

Yes, though coal became so popular in October that it hit ~$240 when $45 is about a 10 year average for that time of year.

And re “doom never happens”, well that’s sort of true and sort of not true, if you look at what has happened to the electron supply in India and China over the last 3 months. In fact the Chinese grid management agency recently announce that a lack of sufficient supply was likely to continue until spring, and that major electron consumer heavy industries would be closed down in the interim.

That seems kinda doomy, if that was happening in the west now it would be an all-consuming crisis.

In China, meh.

Though I do generally agree with mosh that doom predictions almost always fail to come up with the goods, things get managed, mostly.

Germany are unnecessarily taking a huge risk here though, but if they think the risk of their current nuclear tech is high, in a country that does not want any 300 year exclusion zones (let’s face it, Fukushima drove the policy to shutdown nuclear in Germany) then that’s up to them.

But I would have built more hydrocarbon plants, instead of the non-renewable-unaffordable-unreliable boondoggles of wind and solar. Plus diversified energy sourcing and German energy investment, away from the geopolitical leverage of Russia.

MarkW
Reply to  Steven M Mosher
November 29, 2021 7:58 am

Alarmists are always telling us that their predictions won’t be coming true for 100 years or more.
On the other hand, they declare that anyone else’s predictions that don’t come true by the following morning have been proven false.

D. J. Hawkins
Reply to  Steven M Mosher
November 29, 2021 7:58 am

Steve, as usual, doesn’t read what he posts. The march to freezing-in-the-dark won’t be complete until 2038. On that basis, the jury is still out. Assuming they can maintain that level of stupidity; they may yet recover from this Energiewende madness.
In the meantime, let’s just see where the nuke shutdowns lead them.

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Davidf
Reply to  D. J. Hawkins
November 29, 2021 4:00 pm

With the very real imminent confrontation between the EU and Russia over the Ukraine, and given that the weaponisation of Russian gas supply would certainly be an early lever pulled, my suggestion is that even more coal than the present surge will be the result. And, if Allan is correct, and we are sliding towards the temperatures of the 60s, then things are going to look decidedly bleak for the ambition to eliminate fossil fuels in Germany.

TonyG
Reply to  Steven M Mosher
November 29, 2021 8:27 am

doomsayers are always wrong

Wouldn’t that then also apply to the climate doomsayers?

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  TonyG
November 29, 2021 10:15 am

Yeah, Mosher plays both sides, cuz he’s just so sooper smart!

LdB
Reply to  Steven M Mosher
November 29, 2021 9:01 pm

So you are admitting your wrong Steve that is a big change.

Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
November 29, 2021 11:11 am

As we predicted, in 2002 and 2013:

RARE, HEAVY NOVEMBER SNOW TRAPS BRITS IN PUB FOR THIRD NIGHT AS ARCTIC BLAST ENGULFS MUCH OF EUROPE
November 29, 2021 Cap Allon
Prof Fritz Vahrenholt: “It’s now obvious that the IPCC models are not correctly reflecting the development of atmospheric temperatures.”

Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
November 30, 2021 3:31 am

Told you so, 19 years ago.

RECORD LOWS GRIP EUROPE: SWEDEN REGISTERS -37.4C (-35.3F), UK SCHOOLS FORCED TO SHUT, + BIGGER FREEZE INBOUND
November 30, 2021 Cap Allon
Dr. Hajo Smit: “There is clear cut solar-climate coupling and a very strong natural variability of climate on all historical time scales. Currently I hardly believe anymore that there is any relevant relationship between human CO2 emissions and climate change.”

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Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
December 1, 2021 4:26 am

Colder…
LOW TEMPERATURE RECORDS CONTINUE TO FALL ACROSS EUROPE, AUSTRALIA’S NSW SUFFERS COLDEST NOVEMBER ON RECORD, + PINATUBO ERUPTS
December 1, 2021 Cap Allon
Pinatubo’s 1991 eruption caused global temps to fall 0.6C. Big eruptions have been linked to extended spells of low solar activity, such as we’re experiencing now. With temps already dropping, a VEI 6+ is the last thing we need.

Allan’s note: At this time, the Pinatubo eruption is reported to be minor.

Reply to  Eric Worrall
November 30, 2021 6:22 am

Ironic that Germany is now the only country in the “west” that has relations with Russia not coloured by Russophobia.

Duker
November 28, 2021 10:16 pm

The CDU were very cunning , the first shutdown occurs as the new SPD led government takes office. Of course no need to fret as SPD were a partner in those previous CDU led governments

November 28, 2021 10:17 pm

Germany’s Energiewende is continuing on the suicidal tendency that the country displayed in the closing stages of the Second World War under the GloriousLeader Herr Hitler. The coming energy disaster might be not quite as serious but should still be memorable for the Germans.

Rusty
Reply to  nicholas tesdorf
November 29, 2021 10:46 am

Coal is providing 39% of Germany’s electrical grid energy requirements as I type. Nuclear is 11%.

There’s no way they can shut nuclear down.

Doug Danhoff
November 28, 2021 10:20 pm

I’m surprised at the timing of the shut drown …awful cold if you have a delay

Graham
Reply to  Doug Danhoff
November 28, 2021 10:47 pm

This is crazy,where the he!! do they think their electric power will come from to replace these nuclear power plants .
It really looks like the inmates are in charge of the asylum.
How many power cuts and blackouts will the Germain population put up with untill the realize that they are being ruled by green fanatics .It will be an interesting watch and it should deter other countries following suit .

Klem
Reply to  Graham
November 29, 2021 12:55 am

Yup, but it won’t deter other countries from following suit, it will encourage them. Just watch.

Wade
Reply to  Graham
November 29, 2021 5:11 am

With these people, when — never if — their policies fail it just means that they need to keep implementing the policy, but with more force. For example: Wind and solar have caused an energy shortage and prices to rise, so the obvious answer is to have even more wind and solar energy. Another example: Lockdowns and vaccines haven’t slowed the spread of a coronavirus, so the obvious answer is to lockdown harder and force more people to get the shot.

Also, there are many indoctrinated worshipers of the politicians who create the bad policy, which means that no matter how bad things get, many will still vote for things to get worse. Democracy isn’t a path to liberty because you can brainwash enough people to vote for nothing but trouble for themselves. The last election I asked several people to name 3 things the politician they supported did to make our lives better. The only people who even named 1 thing were people who supported Trump. Everybody else couldn’t even tell me one single thing their politician did to improve our lives. And yet, they still blindly supported that person, a person they admitted has done absolutely nothing for them. They continue to vote for the people who do nothing but make their life worse.

MarkW
Reply to  Graham
November 29, 2021 6:53 am

If there is any available to sell, the replacement power will come from nuclear powered France and coal powered Poland.
It will also come from fully ramping up Germany’s remaining coal plants.

Rich Davis
Reply to  MarkW
November 29, 2021 8:59 am

Yes, don’t take the bait peeps! When disaster threatens, the Green government will quietly ramp up coal “temporarily”.

Then griff and Anakin (Lord Mosher of the Dark Side) will be back here saying “see, no problem shutting down the nukes”.

It’s not until they actually shut down and decommission the coal plants that the winter blackout disasters will happen.

In the meantime the two places to focus attention on will be Germany’s year-over-year CO2 emissions and their average cost per KW-hr. (Assuming that trustworthy data will be available).

griff
Reply to  MarkW
November 29, 2021 9:29 am

Germany has a net export surplus to Poland.

MarkW
Reply to  griff
November 29, 2021 9:52 am

And this will still be true after Germany shuts down the rest of it’s nuclear and coal plants?

BTW, while it may be true that Germany currently exports electricity to Poland, they are also having to pay the Poles to take it.

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It doesn't add up...
Reply to  griff
November 29, 2021 10:06 am

The bank loan umbrella export. Only available when the Poles don’t need it, and not available if they do.

Graham
Reply to  griff
November 29, 2021 10:34 am

You are a tosser Grief
Once these Nuclear plants are shut down Germany will be scrambling for electricity from where ever they can get it .And it goes without saying that they will not be able to generate solar at night or wind power on windless days .
These nuclear power plants are BASE load and the politicians are ditching them .l
Put your brain into gear before your feeble fly by comments

Joel
Reply to  Graham
November 29, 2021 5:06 pm

Baseload.
It’s like the greens just can’t get their heads around that concept.
No amount of wind and solar can replace baseload.
They now have 30,000 windturbines. They can’t supply baseload.
If they had 100,000 turbines, they would not be able to supply baseload.
The greens are absolutely crazy.

Sunsettommy(@sunsetmpoutlookcom)
Editor
Reply to  griff
November 29, 2021 1:07 pm

They have the HIGHEST electricity prices in the world.

LOL

Michael S. Kelly
Reply to  griff
November 29, 2021 4:39 pm

Germany has a net export surplus to Poland.

This is true. Germany has exported 66 divisions, 6 brigades, 9000 guns, 2,750 tanks, and 2,315 aircraft to Poland, all without asking for a single Zloty in payment.

Oh, wait…that was in 1939….

Janus100
Reply to  griff
November 29, 2021 8:55 pm
Tony Taylor
November 28, 2021 10:47 pm

I can understand not building new nuclear reactors given the current cost (although I’m a bit damn the torpedoes re nuclear – just build them), but I cannot understand shutting down existing reactors unless there is something wrong with them.

Climate believer
Reply to  Tony Taylor
November 28, 2021 11:54 pm

Many decades of anti nuclear rhetoric by Communists and Greens have created a demon in the minds of most German people.

Chernobyl helped to confirm those fears, Fukushima just sent them over the edge, it’s a mass delusion created by a political contagion.

Reality will trump their ideologies as always.

Ron Long
Reply to  Climate believer
November 29, 2021 2:01 am

The crazy tendency against nuclear power started with the 1979 movie “China Syndrome”, which greenies still think is a documentary.

MarkW
Reply to  Ron Long
November 29, 2021 6:55 am

The funny thing is, that movie showed that nuclear power was safe.
The worst case event that all the protagonists had been predicting happened, and the plant shut down automatically and safely.

Killer Marmot
Reply to  Ron Long
November 29, 2021 11:43 am

The movie came out 12 days before Three Mile Island accident occurred, cementing in people’s heads the idea that nuclear was dangerous.

Overlooked was the fact that nobody was even injured in the TMI accident.

MarkW
Reply to  Killer Marmot
November 29, 2021 12:46 pm

The only person injured in “China Syndrome” was shot by the police.

Davidf
Reply to  Killer Marmot
November 29, 2021 4:07 pm

I will predict, that shutting down base load, in a time of cooling – even if that is cyclical – will result in many more deaths than all of the nuclear related accidents in history – each year.

oeman 50
Reply to  Climate believer
November 29, 2021 9:10 am

I always thought it was interesting that after Fukushima, the Germans shutdown their nukes due to all the tsunamis in Germany.

bonbon
Reply to  oeman 50
November 29, 2021 9:45 am

That deal was clinched in secret the september before by exactly the parties trashed at the election. Fukushima was handy for the MSM.

Ted
Reply to  Climate believer
November 29, 2021 10:30 am

As a bonus, in the US they have convinced many that the anti-nuclear fears are stoked by “Big Oil” so that young people that realize nuclear is a reasonable low-CO2 option blame the right for its failure to catch on.

Oldseadog
Reply to  Tony Taylor
November 29, 2021 1:08 am

They are afraid of tsunamis.

Krishna Gans
Reply to  Oldseadog
November 29, 2021 2:34 am

Yes, because they allways come around the corner in Germany 😀

Over a long time thé Greenies tryed to tell us, the deads in Fukushima were the result of the nuclear event.

bonbon
Reply to  Krishna Gans
November 29, 2021 9:46 am

That deal was clinched in secret the September before by exactly the parties trashed at the election. Fukushima was handy for the MSM.

oeman 50
Reply to  Oldseadog
November 29, 2021 9:11 am

Oops OSD, I hadn’t seen your comment before I added mine. Mea culpa.

John K. Sutherland
Reply to  Tony Taylor
November 29, 2021 5:54 am

TT, the first megawatt of any energy generating system is always the most expensive, with all of that capital cost to defray.
The actual cost, is the normal, end-of-life cost. For a typical nuclear set-up, without political interference, it is–along with hydro power– the least cost producer in any system. Germany has gone mad. OPEC loves this situation.

Rich Davis
Reply to  John K. Sutherland
November 29, 2021 9:10 am

It’s probably not a coincidence that the Greens who did the Soviets’ bidding in the 70s and 80s are doing Gazprom’s bidding today.

Robert of Texas
Reply to  Tony Taylor
November 29, 2021 9:44 am

There *IS* something wrong with them. They do not have spinning bird whoopers on them. Add those to the cooling towers and I imagine the government would like them just fine. After all, it isn’t like the government understands anything about this subject.

StephenP
November 28, 2021 10:53 pm

It is just like watching a slow car crash developing.
The Greens’ inclusion in the government and their influence on energy policy may eventually lead to a ‘ reductio ad absurdum ‘ where the effects of their policy might wake the Germans to their baleful influence.

Marc
Reply to  StephenP
November 30, 2021 9:32 am

Most Germans fell in line behind Hitler. It took some serious suffering by the German people before the reality of what they had supported set in. Not sure the German people have suffered enough yet to light the fire of reality underneath what will soon become their frozen posteriors.

Dennis G Sandberg
November 28, 2021 11:08 pm

Lots of EU meetings, lots of talk, agree to do nothing, stay the course, more renewables and imports.

Markit, October28,2021

The EC is not backing down. It is looking to ensure that whatever form the market takes, renewable energy remains key. “We all agree the only solution to price volatility is more renewable energy,” said Simson.
Green group European Environmental Bureau agreed in an open letter ahead of the TTE meeting noting that “the current energy prices emergency in Europe is a wake-up call for more climate action, not less” and suggested transitioning to a 100%-renewable electricity supply…

…But the EU’s “net energy import dependency” increased to 60.6% in 2019 compared with 56% in 2000, which was the highest level in the past three decades, the report found.

Vuk
November 28, 2021 11:13 pm

Vlad Grozny will be laughing all the way to GosBank.

AntonyIndia
Reply to  Vuk
November 28, 2021 11:31 pm

Him or Joe Fracker

Rory Forbes
November 28, 2021 11:40 pm

Why am I not surprised? It’s Germany, after all … so many of them will insist on being German and shooting at their own feet.

Krishna Gans
Reply to  Rory Forbes
November 29, 2021 2:39 am

In Germany, homoeopahtic “drugs” are paid by the insurances. Germans like follow esoteric ideas.

bonbon
Reply to  Krishna Gans
November 29, 2021 3:49 am

That is because the Homeopathic founder based everything on Emmanuel Kant.
And we know how Kant is idolized. The SPD even do an annual pilgrimage to Kant’s memorial in Kaliningrad (Königsberg).
As Poet Heinrich Heine in “Religion and Philosophy in Germany” showed the Romantic Movement would make the then recent Terror in France look like a coffee shop chat.

Mr.
Reply to  bonbon
November 29, 2021 6:34 am

Immanuel Kant was a real pissant
Who was very rarely stable.
Heidegger, Heidegger was a boozy beggar
Who could think you under the table.
David Hume could out-consume
Schopenhauer and Hegel,
And Wittgenstein was a beery swine
Who was just as schloshed as Schlegel.
There’s nothing Nietzsche couldn’t teach ya
‘Bout the raising of the wrist.

John Stuart Mill, of his own free will,
On half a pint of shandy was particularly ill.
Plato, they say, could stick it away
Half a crate of whiskey every day.
Aristotle, Aristotle was a bugger for the bottle,
Hobbes was fond of his dram,
And Rene Descartes was a drunken fart:
“I drink, therefore I am”
Yes, Socrates, himself, is particularly missed;
A lovely little thinker but a bugger when he’s pissed!

– Monty Python

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bonbon
Reply to  Mr.
November 29, 2021 9:15 am

Funny they mention Hume, and leave out Jeremy Bentham and his defense of Pederasty. Ask Andrew why?

It doesn't add up...
Reply to  bonbon
November 29, 2021 10:09 am

It doesn’t scan or rhyme.

bonbon
Reply to  It doesn't add up...
November 29, 2021 12:53 pm

It repeats, though…

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Mr.
November 29, 2021 7:01 pm

‘Bout the raising of the wrist.”

Missing a line after this one.

“Socrates himself was permanently pissed”

Otherwise, big thumbs up

Mr.
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
November 30, 2021 1:54 pm

Yes, correct.
thanks Jeff.

Vincent Causey
November 28, 2021 11:52 pm

It must be the German “fanatical will”, Hitler talked about. Supposedly it can overcome reality itself.

pigs_in_space
Reply to  Vincent Causey
November 29, 2021 12:17 am

Only one thing new in Germany.
“der Wille zur Macht”, except it now acquired a subtle nuance, they are phasing out “kraft”.

according to German philosophy,-
Kraft is primordial strength that may be exercised by anything possessing it, while Macht is, within Nietzsche’s philosophy, closely tied to sublimation and “self-overcoming”, the conscious channeling of Kraft for creative purposes.

Nietzsche’s early thinking was influenced by that of Schopenhauer.

Schopenhauer puts a central emphasis on will and in particular has a concept of the “will to live”..
Writing a generation before Nietzsche, he explained that the universe and everything in it is driven by a primordial will to live, which results in a desire in all living creatures to avoid death and to procreate.

(I include splitting the atom in this).

However, Nietsche couldn’t procreate cos he caught syphilis in a brothel, and this led to his insanity.

German greenies are against pretty much all of the above, while I suggest their syphilitic like behaviour is similar to those in the final stages of the disease,- insanity.
There’s no antidote to that condition, not even penicilin can save them.

Al Kour
Reply to  pigs_in_space
November 29, 2021 2:41 am

Maybe haloperidol will?

bonbon
Reply to  pigs_in_space
November 29, 2021 4:38 am

Trace a bit further – Kant . See post and link above.
Kant the Omnipulverizer, founded the Romantic Movement. Nietzsche acknowledged Kant and especially did Hannah Arendt a hero of the so-called ¨left¨ (while being Heidegger’s lover).
It takes a poet to precisely identify this.

Kant is idolized all across the transatlantic Uni’s – look at the result!

Frank from NoVA
Reply to  pigs_in_space
November 29, 2021 5:48 am

Bingo. There are no John Lockes in the Germanic philosophical tradition, just a long series of mega state enabling monsters from Kant to Marx to the post-modernists and the current crazies behind Critical Race Theory and whatever other nonsense may be brewing in the faculty lounges of the West. Unfortunately this tradition is now endemic, and as you noted, has no antidote other than failure.

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bonbon
Reply to  Frank from NoVA
November 29, 2021 9:10 am

Sez you.

Pat from kerbob
Reply to  Frank from NoVA
November 29, 2021 8:43 pm

As the English say, nobody likes a daft Kant

bonbon
Reply to  Pat from kerbob
November 30, 2021 2:53 am

Kant can’t do it as Edgar Poe put it, while the Brits have Bacon.

Dean
November 29, 2021 12:15 am

As terrible as this is, maybe a large number of dead Germans will help the dolts in other governments understand that reliable power is critical.

pigs_in_space
Reply to  Dean
November 29, 2021 12:32 am

Plenty of dead Germans have always been available and dying faster thanks to the againg population.

Now there’s plenty of pressure to replace them with syrians, turkish, iraqi, sudanese…etc etc.
The German gov doesn’t car about Germans because they don’t have enough children and like to be paid a lot.

Imported labour can be bought for 1/3 of the minimum wage and they produce a favourable demographic curve.
We are a long way from the Hitlerjugend and “Triumph des Willens”.

peteturbo
November 29, 2021 12:50 am

how much compensation is being paid to these perfectly profitable goos businesses and their workers?

griff
November 29, 2021 1:00 am

In 2021 the wind and solar went back to the 2019 levels… that’s all.

No disaster.

This is natural variation and would not be expected in most or indeed many years.

Ed Zuiderwijk
Reply to  griff
November 29, 2021 1:20 am

Natural variation, my word. You gave the game away. You’ve been sending us up all along. Good show, really enjoyed it.

Krishna Gans
Reply to  griff
November 29, 2021 2:43 am

That from you ?!?! Natural variation ?!?! 😀 😀

I was sure you even don’t know how to spell it. 😀
It’s the main driver of climate variation.
Fine you now accept it 😀 😀

Climate believer
Reply to  griff
November 29, 2021 3:10 am

“This is natural variation and would not be expected in most or indeed many years.”

Maybe the 10% reduction in wind speeds for European countries foreseen by the IPCC is already kicking in…

That would be unfortunate, hope we can save the planet before all the windmills stop turning.

It doesn't add up...
Reply to  Climate believer
November 29, 2021 10:13 am

That’s a 27% reduction in wind energy.

2hotel9
Reply to  griff
November 29, 2021 4:38 am

And there is the lie spewing liar spewing the same lies it always spews.

MarkW
Reply to  griff
November 29, 2021 7:00 am

First off, you’ve been telling us for years that there was no such thing as natural variation, it’s all caused by CO2.
Secondly, so what if it’s caused by natural variation. It happened, therefore wind and solar have to be built out to handle it. Only in a green world is having a massive die off in the population every 10 years or so because the wind failed to blow for a few months, acceptable.
Thirdly, building out wind and solar to handle such natural variation doubles or triples the cost of an already too expensive option.

Dave Fair
Reply to  griff
November 29, 2021 7:23 am

Griff, please advise us of the availability of solar electricity in 2022 so we can plan ahead.

Teddy Lee
Reply to  griff
November 29, 2021 7:52 am

Griffy. You really are a wit. Where’s a “t “ when you need it.

Paul
Reply to  griff
November 29, 2021 5:49 pm

oh good ! Just what is needed.
A variation in the electric supply which is supposed to be stable or close to it.
I can’t believe this shit !

Pat from kerbob
Reply to  griff
November 29, 2021 8:46 pm

Hi Griff
You earned this today

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LdB
Reply to  griff
November 29, 2021 9:04 pm

Wait so floods in Germany are Climate change but wind pattern change is natural variation?

At least most greentards are consistent you are all over the shop.

Richard Hughes
November 29, 2021 2:16 am

Ther headline uses the word “slow”.

It might be more rapid than that…..

Mark BLR
Reply to  Richard Hughes
November 29, 2021 7:48 am

It might be more rapid than that…

Isn’t there a famous quote in response to the question “How did you go bankrupt ?” ?
Something like “Slowly … and then very quickly !” ?

Winter 2021/2 : Germany closes the first 4GW of nuclear, but manages to “muddle through”.
Greens : You see ! No problems ! Let’s keep going !

Winter 2022/3 : Germany closes the remaining 4GW of nuclear, but manages to “muddle through”.
Greens : You see ! No problems ! Let’s keep going !

Winter 2024/5 (?) : Germany closes its last lignite-burning power plants.
Greens : Why did the lights (and heating) “suddenly” go out ???

Mark
November 29, 2021 2:40 am

Slightly OT..but still relevant.

We have just had Storm Arwen – where I am (semi rural NE Scotland about 10 miles from a major city) we have been without power 2.5 days. If it comes back tonight as planned, it will have been in excess of a three day outage, on the coldest days of the winter so far.

It’s only today (day 3) have the authorities declared a Major Incident – with emergency generators arriving in village squares to allow people to boil water, and also EmGens arriving at care homes.

I have been “camping” in the living room – fortunate to have a wood burning stove that can keep the core of the house tolerable, and allows me to boil water. No ice for the whiskey which is a drag though.

When the power goes down for an extended period, we are reduced to basic survival rules extremely quickly. And with the eco-loons calling the shots, things are going to get worse before they get better.

Newminster
Reply to  Mark
November 29, 2021 2:53 am

Do I believe that? A Scot who takes ice and can’t spell whisky?

Steve Richards
Reply to  Newminster
November 29, 2021 3:26 am

He could be a migrant from the mother country – England?

IanE
Reply to  Newminster
November 29, 2021 3:32 am

He may be drinking foreign Whiskey!

It doesn't add up...
Reply to  IanE
November 29, 2021 10:17 am

Not that foreign necessarily. How about Bushmills, UK produced whiskey from within sight of the Giant’s Causeway?

bonbon
Reply to  Newminster
November 29, 2021 3:54 am

If any Englishman checked they would find Whiskey means Uisce – simply water. No one told the Americans.
No coincidence why Single Malts and fresh streams are linked!

Mark
Reply to  Newminster
November 29, 2021 4:11 am

And what makes you believe I am Scottish?

Reply to  Newminster
November 29, 2021 4:13 am

Whisky Whiskey
You are making an assumption.
Irish people do live in Scotland.

Randle Dewees
Reply to  Mark
November 29, 2021 6:26 am

Drink better whiskey, with no ice

pigs_in_space
Reply to  bonbon
November 30, 2021 12:59 pm

another total plonker post from you?

Back home in your favourite country Russia we had -17C last week and nothing stopped working.
In my other place in the Baltic, a blizzard has been hammering away at down to -15C for 3 days, but the planes still fly and the bus will still stop dead on time to take me to wherever I want.

The UK is a third world hovel, people by idiots like you and Griff, who have no idea how the rest of the world lives.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Mark
November 29, 2021 11:57 am

“We have just had Storm Arwen – where I am (semi rural NE Scotland about 10 miles from a major city) we have been without power 2.5 days.”

I saw a news item this morning claiming about 60 people in your area were stranded in a Pub overnight because of a large amount of snow falling there.

What’s causing your power blackout? Windmills not working properly?

Do named thunder storms get new names as they cross international boundaries?

jono1066
November 29, 2021 3:26 am

Thats good news I think, time to buy shares in mining stocks, and shares in decommissioning companies.
The German government might even take more money in environmental and carbon taxes, especially if the re-label coal as a hazardous material.

Steven M Mosher(@stevemosher)
November 29, 2021 3:43 am

DISASTER, WOW

chill with the alarmism youre just playing on peoples fears

Derg
Reply to  Steven M Mosher
November 29, 2021 4:48 am

Welcome back, I thought you had contract traced yourself out of existence.

LdB
Reply to  Derg
November 29, 2021 9:09 pm

The move to South Korea didn’t pan out they have lost control as well.

Derg
Reply to  LdB
November 30, 2021 5:43 am

I bet, but Mosh was so convinced how we are sooooo wrong or at least Trump was 😉

Juan Slayton
Reply to  Steven M Mosher
November 29, 2021 6:33 am

Your comment is reminiscent of FDR:
The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.
The following decade demonstrated that President Roosevelt was very mistaken.

Gosselin’s article presents evidence to support the title of the commentary. If he is right, we will not have to wait a decade to verify it.

MarkW
Reply to  Juan Slayton
November 29, 2021 7:04 am

As FDR proved, the only thing we had to fear was government ineptitude.

Mr.
Reply to  Steven M Mosher
November 29, 2021 6:44 am

Alarmist over climate cycles is what has spawned all the manic rush to replace reliable & affordable power with unreliable & unaffordable wind, solar & batteries.

So alarmist is clearly a most effective tool, isn’t it?

MarkW
Reply to  Steven M Mosher
November 29, 2021 7:03 am

Ah yes, as every good alarmist knows, government has everything in hand and will never allow anything bad to happen ever again.
Listen to Big Brother and be happy.

Dave Fair
Reply to  Steven M Mosher
November 29, 2021 7:26 am

good advice for the CliSciFi crowd

LdB
Reply to  Steven M Mosher
November 29, 2021 9:10 pm

Can we ask if you have been out gluing or cementing yourself to roads like the rest of your mates to save the planet?

bonbon
November 29, 2021 4:13 am

It takes a Poet, Heinrich Heine, in 1834, to shed light on what we see here – it is the Romantic Movement in full swing.

Religion And Philosophy In Germany A Fragment :

https://ia902707.us.archive.org/8/items/religionandphilo011616mbp/religionandphilo011616mbp.pdf

Many know the poetry, very few have seen this razor sharp insight. There he precisely identifies the Omnipulverizer Kant. Even predicting with hair raising accuracy what would happen 100 years later.

¨What a strange contrast did this man's outward life 
present to his destructive, world-annihilating thoughts! 
In sooth, had the citizens of Konigsberg had the least 
presentiment of the full significance of his ideas, they 
would have felt a far more awful dread at the presence of 
this man than at the sight of an executioner, who can but 
kill the body. But the worthy folk saw in him nothing 
more than a Professor of Philosophy, and as he passed 
at his customary hour, they greeted him in a friendly 
manner and set their watches by him. ¨
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pigs_in_space
Reply to  bonbon
November 30, 2021 1:00 pm

Kant is boring, just like you.

Vuk
November 29, 2021 4:26 am

Did COP 26 takes Omicron mutant of China virus to Glasgow, the hotspot of UK infection?

bonbon
Reply to  Vuk
November 29, 2021 4:31 am

OT

Mark BLR
Reply to  Vuk
November 29, 2021 7:54 am

No.

Jeff Labute
Reply to  Vuk
November 29, 2021 5:13 pm

Strange. I never heard of a Xi variant and Xi comes before Omicron.

Tom
November 29, 2021 4:30 am

I have to ask how, a country known for its engineering prowess, can be making what would appear to be such a huge mistake if there is not at least some buy in from those with the technical know-how? Are their technical leaders all saying, “this is nuts”, and the pols just go, “oh well.” What?

MarkW
Reply to  Tom
November 29, 2021 7:05 am

Even in Germany, engineering prowess can’t overcome governmental incompetence.

Robert Hanson
Reply to  MarkW
November 29, 2021 10:21 am

Germany’s Greens are having a Battle of the Bulge moment, where they delude themselves that they are winning….

Much surprise, despair and gnashing of teeth to follow….

pigs_in_space
Reply to  MarkW
November 30, 2021 1:01 pm

In the UK government incompetence kept the British from becoming like the Germans.

DMacKenzie
Reply to  Tom
November 29, 2021 5:38 pm

When your government is run by economists….who can’t distinguish between necessities and commodities….and who are taught that artificially increasing the price of a commodity will cause reduced consumption…..and NOT that increased cost of necessities increases human hardship….having forgotten the most basic principle that COST is a measure of human effort expended or saved.…well, your citizens are screwed….

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very old white guy
November 29, 2021 4:59 am

Stupid people people deserve to suffer from their stupidity.

Barnes Moore
Reply to  very old white guy
November 29, 2021 5:39 am

Agree entirely. Unfortunately, there is likely a significant minority that fight against the stupidity who will be just as adversely affected as those who support the insanity.

MarkW
Reply to  Barnes Moore
November 29, 2021 7:06 am

Those who fight against the stupidity will probably suffer more.
Government always protects those that support it first.

WXcycles
Reply to  MarkW
November 29, 2021 11:14 am

Making life better for all of the population is a key role of constitutional democratic government regardless of individual brain power level. Some are more capable than others, had mentors, worked with focus, had a better starting point, or obtained better opportunities to develop.

If you separate from or ignore and denigrate the dumb, unwise and unfortunate, it doesn’t help where you live as they are not going away.

In which case what’s the point of even thinking in such terms? it’s also not smart. It’s why inclusion is essential, even when it grates on a sense of what’s deserved. Alternatively, we can recognize it’s necessary that everyone make the world better for others.

That was actually a commonplace view in the capitalist west when I was young. Now there’s a lot more counterproductive divisions and spiels against making life better for all, and severe ideological division and spiral bad policy and corruption is the result.

We need to snap out of it.

MarkW
Reply to  WXcycles
November 29, 2021 12:50 pm

Making life better for all is supposed to be the key role of government.
Unfortunately it stopped when 50% of the population found out that it is easier to vote for politicians who promise them a free lunch, than it is to work for a living.

WXcycles
Reply to  very old white guy
November 29, 2021 10:48 am

Yes, and they do, though stupid people can learn from harsh experiences and review what they think due the pain they experience.

K. McNeill
Reply to  WXcycles
November 29, 2021 11:36 am

No they never do.

Joseph Zorzin
November 29, 2021 5:01 am

“more pollution from the burning of biomass and fossil fuels and fossil fuels”

There is very little pollution from modern biomass power plants.

Markopanama
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
November 29, 2021 6:21 am

Except for – oh wait – CO2, the pollution devil incarnate

Mr.
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
November 29, 2021 6:57 am

Joseph, the main issue with Drax is shipping the wood halfway around the world to burn it.

It doesn't add up...
Reply to  Mr.
November 29, 2021 10:29 am

Not really. The main issue is that burning wood is far more costly than burning coal. Drax currently gets £118.54/MWh for burning wood. Coal is about $140/tonne, which gives an electricity cost of about £45/MWh before you start loading on green taxes. Of course, the way that the grid chooses to run coal capacity (only as emergency capacity) means that it often charges very high prices to cover the costs of operating in such an inefficient manner. But it is no accident that Germany has been resorting to coal – just sound economics in that at least.

Mr.
Reply to  It doesn't add up...
November 29, 2021 2:08 pm

Agreed, but it was the cost of logistics with wood fuel that I was getting at.
Should have been more articulate.

MarkW
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
November 29, 2021 7:06 am

There is very little pollution from modern fossil fuel plants.

Carbon500
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
November 29, 2021 7:09 am
Paul C
November 29, 2021 5:21 am

And, the penultimate line is the most scary of the lot, particularly with the track record of Germany. Slowly freezing in the dark is one thing, but not being allowed out to scavenge a bit of firewood from the forest is even more sinister. Surely lockdown isn’t enough? Perhaps some brightly coloured symbol should be sewn onto their clothing? Perhaps they should be concentrated in camps? All for their own good, of course! Who will they come for next?

AARGH63
November 29, 2021 5:26 am

Some people are just stuck on stupid.

bonbon
November 29, 2021 5:35 am

Meanwhile the spectacle of NATO planning to move it’s German stockpile of US thermonuclear B60’s from Büchel closer to the Russian borders.
Stoltenberg, with Merkel, replied to a question : “Of course, it’s up to Germany to decide whether the nuclear arms will be deployed in this country, but there’s an alternative to this; the nuclear arms may easily end up in other European countries, including those to the east of Germany,”

So shutting down power only, not nuclear weapons. Any movement of this stuff reminds the entire planet of Harry S Truman’s insane nuclear terrorism, and of course the Cuban Missile crisis.

MarkW
Reply to  bonbon
November 29, 2021 7:08 am

Paranoia is not pretty bonbon, perhaps if you sought help you might be able to stop embarrassing yourself.

BTW, I am totally fascinated by your belief that communists can never be wrong.

bonbon
Reply to  MarkW
November 29, 2021 9:06 am

Funny how Hayekians feel they can read minds – creepy. Too many seances I believe.
We will see what happens with those B60 dial-a-yield air launched gravity bombs – no crystal ball.

MarkW
Reply to  bonbon
November 29, 2021 9:57 am

Irony is lost on the paranoid. First bonbon makes claims that I am reading minds, then he proclaims that the US intends to use those nuclear weapons.
In bonbon’s world, the greatest sin is opposing a communist.

bonbon
Reply to  MarkW
November 29, 2021 12:57 pm

Stoltenberg said they will MOVE them, did not go so far as to say USE them.
The Norwegian NATO chief is agitating – Trump said NATO was obsolete, Macron said it was brain dead.
So a zombie is playing around with B60’s ?

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LdB
Reply to  bonbon
November 29, 2021 9:13 pm

True of every country with Nukes 🙂

Davidf
Reply to  bonbon
November 29, 2021 4:36 pm

Lets not forget, that in the Cuban Missile Crisis, it was the Soviets moving the missiles

bonbon
Reply to  Davidf
November 30, 2021 3:01 am

Because of the Redstones and Jupiters in Turkey right at the border targeting Moscow.
https://missilethreat.csis.org/missile/jupiter/

None of this is classified. JFK solved the problem, guess how?

Paul
Reply to  bonbon
November 29, 2021 6:13 pm

Cuban missile crises. wasn’t that problem exacerbated by
Russia moving nukes into Cuba.

bonbon
Reply to  Paul
November 30, 2021 3:01 am

See point above – or look up Jupiter Turkey.

John the Econ
November 29, 2021 5:40 am

I like it when bad Progressive policy is tested far away from where I live.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  John the Econ
November 29, 2021 12:10 pm

A crash-test dummy is always a good idea before we try it ourselves. It looks like German “leadership” has elected themselves to be the crash-test dummy.

So be it.

Of course, the leadership of Germany is not the only bunch divorced from reality. The State of New York shut down a perfectly good reactor and the State of California is getting ready to do the same in the near future.

Michael Mann and his Hockey Stick Team must be so proud of themselves. Look at how they have fooled these people into doing some very irrational things because they think CO2 is dangerous.

The Fool Mann leading other fools down the Road to Ruin. History will not treat these fools kindly.

Barnes Moore
November 29, 2021 5:46 am

My repeat post whenever I see this. The sooner we have a major grid collapse affecting millions of people where the blame can only be pinned to the fact of over-reliance on unreliable energy sources, the better. I don’t wish the kind of misery that such a collapse would cause on those who attempt to fight against it, but I have no problem with it affecting the griff’s of the world.

griff
Reply to  Barnes Moore
November 29, 2021 7:17 am

I’ve been seeing ‘grid collapse’ predictions for a decade – and yet there are none, except those caused by severe weather.

MarkW
Reply to  griff
November 29, 2021 8:02 am

1) There have been plenty of grid collapse episodes caused by the failures of renewable power.]
2) In those areas where a collapse has not yet occurred, the margins of safety have been shrinking dramatically over the last few years.
3) In griff’s world, anything that hasn’t happened yet, won’t. Unless it’s a prediction from a climate model.

griff
Reply to  MarkW
November 29, 2021 9:27 am

There absolutely have not.

I notice you don’t name any!

MarkW
Reply to  griff
November 29, 2021 10:00 am

For one, there was the collapse of the Texas grid, wind and solar dropped over 90%. Gas power increased by 450%, but it wasn’t enough to cover both the increased demand and the failure of wind and solar to provide power when it was needed.
If it hadn’t been for stupid rules put in place by the EPA in order to cut CO2 emissions, gas might have been able to increase by 500% and that might have been enough.

pigs_in_space
Reply to  griff
November 30, 2021 1:10 pm

You are a bl.@@)&#@ LIAR Griff.

Stick Friday 9 August 2019 into your ass a feel the pain.
That was just ONE incident, there are plenty more.

kzb
Reply to  griff
November 29, 2021 11:32 am

That’s because there is still gas turbine/coal power backup available. Those backups have been used extensively recently. In the coming years that backup will disappear.

LdB
Reply to  griff
November 29, 2021 9:16 pm

We have been warned of climate change disasters like arctic free of ice, polar bears exctinct etc from you for as long as you have been posting.

You are not going that well yourself. You know the saying those in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.

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bonbon
Reply to  LdB
November 30, 2021 4:56 am

You know the saying those in greenhouses shouldn’t throw stones.

There, fixed it for ya.

Stuart Hamish
Reply to  griff
November 30, 2021 2:10 am

” I’ve been seeing grid collapse predictions for a decade – and yet there are none , except those caused by severe weather ” …… Don’t you tire of the deception and misinformation ? I have noticed that when your arguments [and lies ] are debunked you dart off to pester another part of the thread or stay mute and refuse to debate There was a nine hour blackout affecting the central Australian town of Alice Springs in October 2019 caused by a cloud drifting over Uterne solar station. According to a damning report ” The output of Uterne ….was relatively constant at around 3.3 MW until 1.43 PM [ when ] a cloud passed over….and station output became highly variable with reduction in output to as low as 0.5 MW ” [ ‘ Shine Comes Off Solar From Alice Springs Failure , C McLennan , Katherine Times , Dec. 2019 ] Passing clouds could hardly be classed as ‘extreme weather’ . Your argument is nonetheless a sneaky red herring as nuclear, coal and gas are provably more capable of withstanding weather extremes than intermittent and weather dependent wind and solar .This was the experience of the Californian 2020 summer blackouts and the Texas winter storm event . In the course of the four day Texas energy failure from February 15 to 18 , the average performance capacity ratings for nuclear power , natural gas and wind turbines respectively were 79% , 47% and 14% . For each energy source , the lowest hourly performance over the four day blackouts were 73% [nuclear ] , 40 % [gas ] and a measly 2% [ wind turbines ] The 2020 Californian summer electricity shortages and blackouts were the result of low winds amid stifling heat in a state that has made its electricity grids over -reliant on wind turbines and photovoltaic power .Solar power plants ceased generating in the evening during the heatwaves at times of high consumer demand forcing grid operators to induce rolling blackouts ………As I have speculated before : imagine if there was another natural disaster such as the 536-37 dust veil / dry fog event when there was twilight for the best part of a year or the 1783 Laki haze that cast a pall over Europe for months .We know from historical sources and paleo-ecological evidence that in the year 1315 at the onset of the Great Famine , rainfall and cloud cover were virtually constant from May to August [ autumn and summer ] over western Europe …Photovoltaic power would be rendered totally useless in those conditions and wind turbines hopelessly inefficient .History tells us their recurrence is inevitable Germany, with the country’s 37 -40% renewable energy component infrastructure , Denmark and the United Kingdom would be especially vulnerable in those conditions. 14 % – 2% of capacity under extreme weather duress isn’t going to cut it compared to nuclear coal and natural gas ..What happened in Texas last winter when the wind turbines were frozen and immobilized has shown how woefully unreliable renewables are .

WXcycles
Reply to  Barnes Moore
November 29, 2021 11:25 am

Well, it’s kinda happening in China right now, if you’re pay attention, but is unspeakable and must be played-down as the Second-Coming of Mao single-handedly saving the world, via draconian emissions reductions.

They can not admit they just ran out of coal due to the colossal foreign policy failures of the clowns in Beijing. And who now also can’t afford to pay 3 to 5 times the normal price or coal to import it, due to the lack of alternate volume supply.

The result will be horrendous for China for many months. But this will not be news elsewhere, because CCP double-think requires it not be news in China.

But a catastrophe it is.

bonbon
Reply to  WXcycles
November 30, 2021 4:59 am

Not noticed yet that Russia will supply coal, and the big looser is Australia’s disastrous AUKUS gimmick and Wuhan pantomine?

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Sara
November 29, 2021 5:57 am

We see a slow disaster playing out… article

Boy, that is the understatement of the century!

Why are they so insistent on devolving back to the Dark Ages? This is insanity, nothing else. I’m just waiting breathlessly for the current Occupant of the Oval Office to order a shut down of our nuke power plants over here. And he’s too far down the road of dementia to come up with that idea on his own, so you just know it will whoever is really running things in the Oval Office.

Glad I have great-grandma’s oil lamps and a gas stove that I can use matches to light the burners… and a cast iron Dutch oven for such cookery… and reprints of 18th century cookbooks…

Civilization was fun while it lasted.

MarkW
Reply to  Sara
November 29, 2021 7:09 am

The problem is that those in charge of this mad house won’t be the ones devolving back to the Dark Ages.

Sara
Reply to  MarkW
November 29, 2021 10:52 am

Oh, now, MarkW, remember that hubris is a form of pride and to quote that old snarky quote, “pride goeth before a fall”.

I’ve seldom seen such a scramble to try to scare people as is going on now. If it ain’t climate (uncontrollable) then it’s covid (also uncontrollable).

I’m just waiting for someone to show up at an ER with those black pox called yersenia pestis. EEEEKKK!

Janus_100
Reply to  Sara
November 29, 2021 4:03 pm

Hey Sara, be an optimist.

The civilization will continue,( but will be available to the chosen few only)

I know how it works, I lived in communistic Czechoslovakia first 30years of my life…😎

Sara
Reply to  Janus_100
November 29, 2021 6:12 pm

And Janus, you do have my sympathy because we school kids knew about the Iron Curtain and about a lot of stuff that went on there, and realized how lucky we were to not be born there.

Now? Well, civilization will continue, but those “elites” won’t get the real part of it that the rest of us will get. It’s easy enough these days to shut off supplies of stuff to cities, shut the gates and lock the nitwits inside those walls, while the rest of us just get on with our lives.

Thomas Gasloli
November 29, 2021 6:06 am

For centuries, before there was such a thing as Germany, things went fine in Europe. The reign of Merkel was a net negative. Maybe the slow fading of Germany from the world stage, due to energy/economic stupidity, isn’t a problem.

Davidf
Reply to  Thomas Gasloli
November 29, 2021 4:45 pm

Err – 30 Years War? As I understand it, a devastating conflict basically due to religious/ideological conflict, allied to Empirical ambitions. Far as I can see, the only difference in later years was the consolidation of many nation sates into the German Empire. Much as is happening now, with the touted European Federation.

Davidf
Reply to  Davidf
November 29, 2021 4:46 pm

Im fond of quoting David Byrne – “Same as it ever was”

David Sulik
November 29, 2021 6:22 am

Good riddance! What can go wrong, will go wrong. Nuclear is pure poison.
Now, let’s focus on returning CO2 to the atmosphere where it used to be, for a warmer and life friendlier planet.

MarkW
Reply to  David Sulik
November 29, 2021 7:10 am

Nuclear is by far the cleanest and safest form of power.

WXcycles
Reply to  MarkW
November 29, 2021 11:41 am

No matter what your view on it, the resulting exclusion zone in Japan is real, in a country that’s very land limited. It is a massive on-going loss of productivity and use for them, longer-term.

I am all for small safe modern nuclear reactors, but there are big costs and real risks.

IMO, it’s much safer and wiser to use cheap clean-coal tech, and just accept that CO2 is a minimal issue, in comparison, and it delivers the best costs v benefits, with the lowest risks also.

MarkW
Reply to  WXcycles
November 29, 2021 12:52 pm

The exclusion zone is many times bigger than it ever needed to be and it goes away in a few decades.

pigs_in_space
Reply to  MarkW
November 30, 2021 1:15 pm

And they all conveniently forgot the devastating Richter 9 earthquake that killed 1000s before the Tsunami overwhelmed all flood defences.

A lot more people died from the earthquake, but to read mass media, it appeared the Nuclear disaster killed many more than the quake.
More media lies of course.

AlexBerlin
Reply to  WXcycles
November 30, 2021 12:57 pm

The exclusion zone is real because it has been declared by the government. Pull it down today and productivity can pick up tomorrow. There is nothing wrong with the area, never was. Radiation rates detrimental to human or animal health are magnitudes higher than those found at Fukushima or Chernobyl years after the accidents. People live happily in Nagasaki and Hiroshima and have done so since the early 1950s. Nothing mankind can do permanently or even long-lastingly changes Nature. Only Fascist hybris tries to make us believe we (as a species) are almighty to do immense harm by accident, even without trying, but at the same time quite unable to undo even minor ills unless under totalitarian force – a grotesque self-contradiction to begin with!

joe
November 29, 2021 6:29 am

A little off topic but , does anyone know if Germans have the right to bear arms?

Krishna Gans
Reply to  joe
November 29, 2021 7:01 am

Not like in the USA.

griff
Reply to  Krishna Gans
November 29, 2021 7:16 am

Which is why mass shootings (as in the UK) are almost unheard of

Graemethecat
Reply to  griff
November 29, 2021 7:56 am

We have had a few mass stabbings, however.

griff
Reply to  Graemethecat
November 29, 2021 9:24 am

The knife crime rate in the USA is worse than UK rate.

MarkW
Reply to  griff
November 29, 2021 10:01 am

So the problem isn’t guns.

Robert Hanson
Reply to  griff
November 29, 2021 10:31 am

False

And the home invasion rate is many times higher in the UK, as the perps have no fear of armed inhabitants.

MarkW
Reply to  griff
November 29, 2021 8:03 am

Only a complete socialist would believe that the answer to guns in the hands of bad men, is disarming good men.

griff
Reply to  MarkW
November 29, 2021 9:27 am

I will remind you I am not a socialist, nor does my country have a socialist govt…

I don’t see any need to arm my fellow citizens, good men and women as they are.

638 mass shootings to end October in USA. One in last decade in UK.

MarkW
Reply to  griff
November 29, 2021 10:02 am

The man who demands socialist solutions to every problem, doesn’t consider himself a socialist.
Last time I checked, there were a lot of differences between the US and Britain, access to guns was only one, and one of the least important.

Why am I not surprised to find out that a socialist likes his citizenry safely disarmed.

Robert Hanson
Reply to  griff
November 29, 2021 10:41 am

Of course, what you call “mass shootings” are in fact drug gangs shooting each other. Especially in Chicago, which has some of the most strict “gun control” (sic) laws in the country.

UK: “Here are some examples of mass killings in England… David Copeland killed three people with a series of nail bombs in 1999, and injured 139. More recently, in 2005, four suicide bombers in the UK’s subway system killed more than fifty people, and injured many hundreds more. Still more recently, on March 22, 2017, three people were killed and 29 were hospitalized, after a jihadist drove a truck into a crowd on Westminster Bridge. Two months later, on May 23, 2017, twenty two people were killed, and fifty nine injured, by a bombing at a Manchester concert. Less than two weeks later, on June 3, 2017, jihadists drove down a bunch of people on London Bridge, and knifed a bunch of people at Borough Market, in London. Another van was driven into a crowd, killing one person and wounding 10, on June 19, 2017, at Finsbury Park. I could keep going, but I think you get the point. Not only do the rates of mass murder (and attempted mass murder) in England more than rival the United States, but in England, the rates are climbing fast, prompting many English leaders to call this ‘the new normal’ for the English people. Can you imagine living in a city where mass killings are so common that the Mayor of that city, rather than denounce the killings, tells the public to get used to it? That’s London.”

TonyG
Reply to  Robert Hanson
November 29, 2021 11:54 am

Yeah, but at least they’re not GUNS, Robert – that’s the important part! Because people being k!lled by guns is much worser.

MarkW
Reply to  Robert Hanson
November 29, 2021 12:54 pm

A reporter in San Francisco recently wrote that people are just going to have to get used to home invasions as it has become the new normal.

mikee
Reply to  Robert Hanson
November 29, 2021 6:09 pm

Europe goes to war somewhere every thirty years or so killing tens of thousands of its citizens. The big ones were WWI and WWII. The Soviet incursions after WWII in the Baltic states, former East Germany, Poland, Hungry, the former Czechoslovakia etc., etc., killed lots of people. Recently there was the Balkan crisis where hundreds of thousands were killed. Gun laws make very little difference especially when the ruling elite have all the guns. Add to this the terrorist groups such as the most prominent being the Red Brigade, Badder Meinhoff, IRA, and associated separatist groups. Switzerland has comparable gun laws to the USA and has very few firearm related incidents. Ukraine and Belarus are presently getting very hot. Low information cherry picking firearms/weapons statistics makes comparisons with the USA look silly!

Sara
Reply to  griff
November 29, 2021 10:54 am

Where are YOUR STATISTICS on that number, griffy?

Dave Fair
Reply to  griff
November 29, 2021 5:44 pm

Please cite your source for U.S. mass shootings, Griff. If it isn’t from John Lott, its propaganda.

pigs_in_space
Reply to  griff
November 30, 2021 1:22 pm

And you conveniently forgot Hungerford, Bloody sunday, Hillsborough, and lots of other f..cked up establishment figures and lunatics+Teflon Tony + sending squaddies to die in Iraq and Helmland?

state sponsored violence = war against their own people.

The 1st world war was the British establishment forced labour equivalent of invitation to mechanised suicide in muddy trenches…(my grandad came back from there half crazy).

How many brain cells do you actually have before you hit the “enter” key?

The Sentient Sheep
November 29, 2021 6:41 am

France doesn’t seem to be having problems though, France derives about 70% of its electricity from nuclear energy, due to a long-standing policy based on energy security. They make so much electricity they export it and bring a tidy 3 Billion a year in sales. They planned ahead 40 years ago. Go France ! By the way Sen. Ben Cardin is a Millionaire so he will have no trouble maintaining HIS comfy life style. The little people…Meh…. Possibly our power will be generated by burning the massive piles of dead bodies that all commie states have created in their quest for some mythical future utopia.
Affordable energy = Freedom

It doesn't add up...
Reply to  The Sentient Sheep
November 29, 2021 11:04 am

France has been having problems, because so much of its nuclear capacity is out for maintenance. The result is it has been importing large amounts from Germany, Spain, Belgium Switzerland and even the UK

France elec interconnect 25 nov 21.png
Krishna Gans
Reply to  Steven M Mosher
November 29, 2021 7:02 am

2. time the same post., but not better.

MarkW
Reply to  Steven M Mosher
November 29, 2021 7:11 am

I find it fascinating how alarmists like griff and Mosh are quite content to wait 100 years or more before their predictions come true.
However if anyone else’s predictions don’t come true by the following morning, they are obviously false.

griff
Reply to  MarkW
November 29, 2021 7:15 am

I’m not the alarmist – you are: predicting Germany’s lights will go off.

and I remember the whole German grid was supposed to have collapsed in the early part of this year… and exactly what happened?

MarkW
Reply to  griff
November 29, 2021 8:06 am

As always, what griff remembers and what was actually said, are rarely, if ever the same.
The statements from earlier this year were that the planned actions were going to make the grid more unstable. Also the complete shutting down of coal plants did not happen, and it was those not yet shut down coal plants that saved the grid this year.
Also, despite growing demands from Germany, France and Poland are still able to provide sufficient power to keep the German grid up. That won’t be the case for too much longer.

griff
Reply to  MarkW
November 29, 2021 9:24 am

Germany actually has a net EXPORT balance of electricity…

MarkW
Reply to  griff
November 29, 2021 10:07 am

What matters is when they export and import power. Relying on net power is what idiots and socialists do.
When Germany has excess power, so does everyone else and Germany has to pay others to take it.
When Germany needs to import power happens at the same time that others are having their supplies tighten as well. The amount of excess that others have is shrinking and the amount that Germany needs is growing.
What is going to happen over the next year as Germany shuts down the rest of it’s nuclear and coal power?
Just like England, it was the coal power that prevented the grids from collapsing this year.

Dave Fair
Reply to  griff
November 29, 2021 6:21 pm

And that shows … what? An excess of artificially (subsidized and mandated takes) marginal low-cost unreliables in Germany? Including the cost of required FF backup, unreliables would not look so good price-wise.

LdB
Reply to  griff
November 29, 2021 9:27 pm

It exports lignite coal generated electricity 🙂
You could also start by searching LÜTZERATH.

Sara
Reply to  griff
November 29, 2021 10:57 am

griffy, you seem to have conveniently forgotten that Germany’s lights (and heat) DID go out two winters in a row, not so very long ago. It did happen, in fact, more than once in one winter, and also in more than ONE winter.

Dave Fair
Reply to  Steven M Mosher
November 29, 2021 7:33 am

as told to CliSciFi

bonbon
Reply to  Steven M Mosher
November 29, 2021 12:14 pm

Listen to Marc Carney interviewed at COP26 by Bloomberg, and tell us who is an alarmist.
This is the most powerful banker today, ignore at you peril!

pigs_in_space
Reply to  bonbon
November 30, 2021 1:26 pm

Carney is the most wanking (former) banker.
Bankers are fair weather friends.

I don’t give a f…k about some foreign idiot like Carney, but I do care about the fact he gets way too much as a pension when he finally stops lecturing people about crap.

GRANT
Reply to  Steven M Mosher
November 29, 2021 5:29 pm

I thought Germany’s goal was to reduce CO2 and save the planet? It’ll take years and years to replace those plants with renewables, if they ever do.

CapitalistRoader
November 29, 2021 7:12 am

It seems as if Germany is turning itself into the Sick man of Europe again, which hasn’t happened since 1920s-era Weimar Germany. What could possibly go wrong?

MarkW
Reply to  CapitalistRoader
November 29, 2021 8:07 am

In recent decades, much of Germany’s heavy industry has been sent to India and China.
If things do go badly, the modern storm troopers will have to rely on well thrown rocks.

griff
Reply to  MarkW
November 29, 2021 9:23 am

Unlike the US, Germany has hung on to much of its industry

bonbon
Reply to  griff
November 29, 2021 9:29 am

So far! Industrial bean counters are notorious. They do see what happened to the US. Trump killed NAFTA first thing, and that scared the EU.

MarkW
Reply to  griff
November 29, 2021 10:07 am

Once again, when reality doesn’t match what griff wants to believe, he just makes it up.

Dave Fair
Reply to  griff
November 29, 2021 6:24 pm

Could that have something to do with residential and commercial customers subsidizing industrial customers? How about direct governmental subsidies?

pigs_in_space
Reply to  griff
November 30, 2021 1:30 pm

Griff a total twat.

German industry is leaving in droves, which is why car makers are happy to make German cars in any other place than Germany. (even in CHINA).

Griff knows nothing about Germany, but continues wanking on about Germany as if he had actually been there, and knew about economics.

Jim
November 29, 2021 7:38 am

Will we learn anything, or are we too compliance???

November 29, 2021 7:50 am

Without a safety net to replace all the electricity generated from nuclear, efforts to cease nuclear could be the greatest threat to civilization.

michel
November 29, 2021 9:09 am

Complete madness of course, not least because if you are really worried about CO2, nuclear is about the lowest emitting form of generation. Once you have the plants built.

And in addition, this completely mad attempt to run a modern economy on wind and solar.

It is really complete madness. I used to think the Greens wanted to go back to about 1875, but its looking more and more as if 1600 is the date they have in mind.

bonbon
November 29, 2021 9:23 am

Meanwhile with the new EU spot-pricing and US sanctions on NordStream 2, Gazprom reports record profits.

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/russias-gazprom-swings-q3-net-profit-year-ago-loss-2021-11-29/

Keep it up USA and Brussels!

Hapless voters and the new Government (with Greens, FDP being the parties of the highest wage-earners) face now the irony of Destiny. Explain it please?

Oh my, are they going to pine for the easy days in opposition pushing for exactly this splintering system on a daily basis!

Sow the wind, now reap the whirlwind!

Cold not happen to a more colorful team!

bonbon
Reply to  bonbon
November 30, 2021 5:37 am

More Trouble For EU? Gazprom “Doesn’t Expect Decline In Gas Prices In Coming Months”
https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/gazprom-doesnt-expect-noticeable-decline-gas-prices-coming-months
Just look at the graphics!

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pigs_in_space
Reply to  bonbon
November 30, 2021 1:33 pm

Only a paranoid nutcase could come out with your complete cobblers quoting zerohedge.

Ulkair
November 29, 2021 9:52 am

Its gonna be hilarious to watch them freeze to death for their stupid ideas.

David S
November 29, 2021 10:00 am

It will be interesting to see the reaction of the German people as they begin to realize the impact of these policies on their own lives. I guess we can sit back and watch the fur fly.. secure in the knowledge that it’s not our fur.

Alan Watt, Climate Denialist Level 7
November 29, 2021 10:15 am

Too bad Germany wasn’t this stupid back in the early 1940’s — would have saved the rest of us a lot of trouble.

bonbon
Reply to  Alan Watt, Climate Denialist Level 7
November 29, 2021 12:12 pm

Hold it cheap, they that ne’er hung there…

GPP29
Reply to  Alan Watt, Climate Denialist Level 7
November 29, 2021 12:29 pm

It is exactly what they did. !!!
In 1938, Germany was the more advanced country on the way to the atomic bomb. The project was directed by Heisenberg. In 1942, his laboratory was destroyed by an accidental blast. Hitler decided to cut all the fundings and to stop the project for a very good reason : quantic mechanics was not aryan science but jewish science. So the project has no chance to succeed.

bonbon
Reply to  GPP29
November 30, 2021 3:06 am

Ever heard of the Manhattan Program? No economy except the US had the slightest chance of developing such technology. It is a fairytale to think Germany had even a functioning economy by 1941.
It is the economy, stupid, as very few US politico’s say today.

ResourceGuy
November 29, 2021 11:19 am

The Greens need to own what comes next.

bonbon
Reply to  ResourceGuy
November 30, 2021 3:07 am

They got it now, an appointment with destiny in the new Government.

Joel
November 29, 2021 12:12 pm

Note the graphic:
This data comes from this web site:
https://transparency.entsoe.eu/
Germany has 41 MW of solar power installed and has 30,000 Wind turbines.
It imports most of its natural gas.
Since nuclear is base load, no amount of solar or wind can replace it.
They will have to burn a lot more coal or hope Russia let’s them buy a lot more natural gas.
Or, they will have to import a lot of electricity.
In any event, their emission of CO2 is bound to rise. So much for the climate crisis.

Germany2021Power.png
GREG MUNGER
November 29, 2021 2:20 pm

UFB! Like watching a train wreck in slow motion!

Mike Lowe
November 29, 2021 4:39 pm

This just shows that technical knowledge and common sense cannot overcome Merkel’s brand of political nonsense! And most of the world thinks Germans are logical and efficient! Fools!

Roger Knights
November 30, 2021 1:13 am

If there are blackouts this winter, maybe Germany will defer the shutdown of its nuclear power plants.

November 30, 2021 4:44 am

The Energiewende reaches the outskirts of Stalingrad.

bonbon
Reply to  Hatter Eggburn
November 30, 2021 5:25 am

And when the Wehrmacht phoned desperately for winter clothes, Goering airlifted in christmass trees!
The new coalition will legalize cannabis….

Reply to  bonbon
November 30, 2021 8:59 am

I’m following the history of the Stalingrad campaign on TIK’s YouTube channel.

November 30, 2021 4:50 am

The nearly-new nuclear reactors that Germany are decommissioning should be offered for sale to more sensible, less superstitious countries. Could be a very good deal for someone.

bonbon
Reply to  Hatter Eggburn
November 30, 2021 5:22 am

Just watch – someone will try that at 1/10th their cost, basically theft of national assets.

Last time that was tried, Khodorkovsky tried to sell Yukos to a US oil firm. Things did not work out too well for him : Russia used exactly the tactic that nabbed Al Capone – taxes. And the irony is the FBI trained the FSB !
Al Capone wannabee’s , lookout!

pigs_in_space
Reply to  bonbon
November 30, 2021 1:38 pm

Your crap about Yukos stinks.
Putin had it in for Yukos and got that b..stard Seichin in on the act.

Russia did nothing about taxes, if that had been the case, pensioners wouldn’t have to work until they drop (raised retirement age) and 20 millions Russians today wouldn’t be below the level of poverty, and the hospital and medical system wouldn’t be on its knees.
why don’t you try living in Russia, being as you never went there, and write crap about a country you know sweet F-A about!

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bonbon
November 30, 2021 5:17 am

Meanwhile just north in Finland electricity prices rocketed 5 times higher.
But Finland has a reactor coming online : Olkiluoto 3, next summer.

griff
Reply to  bonbon
November 30, 2021 1:24 pm

Maybe.

After all they have been building it since 2005… another EDF screw up.

Rich Lentz(@usurbrain)
November 30, 2021 7:40 am

As David Middleton said in his article today “This should “stick a fork” in the notion of an Anthropocene Epoch…”
The shutting down of the NPPs in Germany will be marked as the beginning of the end of the Anthropocene Epoc. As blackouts and flex hours roil California, California is shutting down two more adding to the rolling blackouts and days long outages. This combined with the mandates for EVs will double or triple the electrical demand hastening the collapse of civilization.

AndyHce
November 30, 2021 9:05 pm

All this without a formal declaration of war?

Andy H
December 1, 2021 2:58 am

The slow disaster is speeding up with the new coalition. Germany to cut out coal by 2030 and be 80% renewable with 15 million electric cars on the streets.

On 16th November, almost half German electricity generation was powered by coal/lignite because the wind failed.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-59399702

Ulkair
December 6, 2021 5:04 pm

Nice. There need to be allot more dead germans before they realize the stupidity of their policies