When The Costs Hit Home, Nobody Will Give Up Fossil Fuels

From the MANHATTAN CONTRARIAN

Francis Menton

As noted in my post this past Sunday, no amount of fake happy talk in the so-called “Glasgow Climate Pact” can obscure the obvious fact that nobody agreed to anything. To read the text of the “pact,” everybody claims to think that this whole “decarbonization” thing to “save the planet” is real. We’re all going to do something really, really significant, but it will be next year, or maybe the year after that. And meanwhile, nobody has made any remotely serious effort to cost this thing out. Are we talking about a ten percent increase in the cost of energy for this decarbonization project, or will it be a doubling, or maybe a tripling — or maybe even a multiplication by ten?

With tens of trillions of dollars at stake in the world economy, let alone the majority of humanity at risk of energy poverty, you would think that we would be far down the road toward detailed engineering studies of what the decarbonized energy world will look like and exactly how much it will cost. But it is exactly the opposite. Everywhere — or at least everywhere in the Western countries — government functionaries with degrees in English or Political Science (or maybe Gender Studies) issue edicts that carbon emissions will be reduced “50% by 2030” or “90% by 2050,” without any knowledge or understanding of how that may be accomplished.

So, as the costs of attempting to “transition” away from fossil fuels start to hit home, will anybody actually go through with the project? I think that the chance of that is about zero. China and India show how it works. To judge by their actions (rather than their words), they have long since figured out that solar and wind energy can’t succeed in running a modern economy, so they mouth empty platitudes to placate the Western zealots, make unenforceable promises that only come due after everyone is dead, and forge ahead with massive development of coal power. And even more telling are recent developments in Western jurisdictions. When the first hint arrives that fossil fuel restrictions are going to impose cost increases large enough for meaningful numbers of voters to notice, even the bluest of blue U.S. states take about three minutes to abandon their “decarbonization” promises.

For the latest from India, check out this piece from Reuters today headlined “India’s Jindal plans to start building Botswana coal mine in 2022.” Recall first that at the just-ended COP26 in Glasgow, India supposedly “pledged” to achieve “net zero” carbon emissions by 2070. You would not be wrong to infer that the year 2070 was selected to be safely after all current world leaders are long since at least retired, and most likely dead. Today’s Reuters piece, on the other hand, gives the here and now:

India’s Jindal Steel & Power Limited . . . will start building a coal mine in Botswana’s southeastern Mmamabula coalfields in 2022, aiming to supply the export market and a planned coal power plant, a company official said. The Indian industrial giant aims for the mine to produce 4.5 million tonnes of coal per year.

It’s a big project, but a tiny part of the proven coal resources of the African country of Botswana:

Despite the global shift from coal, Botswana is pushing ahead with developing its estimated 212 billion tonnes of coal resources.

To put this in context, the U.S. currently produces well less than 1 billion tons of coal per year.

Or consider Japan. With oil prices currently spiking, you might think that a Westernized country like Japan would welcome the cost increases as a convenient means to incentivize the people to use less of the stuff. But the price increases have been large enough for the people to notice, and when that happens the politicians pull up short of forcing the people to become pooer. According to Japan Times on November 17, the Japanese government is putting together plans to provide subsidies to oil wholesalers to keep retail prices from going any higher:

The government plans to provide subsidies to oil wholesalers if domestic gasoline prices surpass certain levels, industry minister Koichi Hagiuda said Tuesday. The financial assistance is aimed at encouraging oil distributors to limit their wholesale prices in order to prevent an excessive rise in retail gasoline prices amid crude oil price surges. The aid program has no precedent in Japan, according to government officials.

But perhaps most notable is what has happened in recent days in some of the bluest of blue U.S. jurisdictions. In 2010, some twelve Northeast states, plus the District of Columbia, entered into a kind of agreement to agree to form something called the “Transportation and Climate Initiative.” The language of the official document was all about “reducing greenhouse gas emissions”; but in practice this was from the get-go intended as a cap-and-trade scheme, which would use a restricted and decreasing supply of permits to gradually force up the price of transportation fuels (mostly gasoline), and thereby force the people to use less of them. The signatories to the initial document included all of the New England and Mid-Atlantic states.

The Boston Herald has a piece yesterday (November 18) summarizing the TCI program and its current status. First, as to the intent of the program and how it would work:

TCI would have capped carbon emissions by forcing fuel companies that exceeded limits to buy additional permits and invest those proceeds into green transportation and climate-resilient infrastructure. It aimed to reduce vehicle emissions by 26% by 2032.

Well, gasoline prices are now up about 50% since President Biden took office in January 2021. Perhaps you might think that the TCI states would be unable to contain their excitement, and would be plowing ahead to raise prices still further and force a rapid decline in consumption. But actually the opposite is occurring. First of all, only a handful out of the twelve original states plus DC moved forward to join the compact:

Initially, 12 states plus the District of Columbia were in talks to enter the agreement, but just Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island and D.C. eventually signed a memorandum of understanding by December 2020.

And now, with gas prices rapidly rising, what politician wants to be seen as forcing them up still higher? So even the few deep-blue states that had joined TCI are now heading for the exits. The Herald reports that Connecticut pulled out of the compact on Tuesday (November 16); and yesterday (November 18) Massachusetts followed:

Gov. Charlie Baker has pulled the plug on a regional climate initiative that would have capped tailpipe emissions and was projected to hike gas prices at a time of record inflation, admitting the multi state-deal is “no longer the best solution.” He backs out of the Transportation and Climate Initiative just days after Connecticut did.

A Massachusetts group called Mass Fiscal Alliance calls it correctly:

“TCI is a regressive gas tax scheme that would have hurt (the) middle class and the working poor the most. It’s such wonderful news to see that Massachusetts families will not be forced to endure the economic hardship TCI would have imposed upon them,” said [Mass Fiscal Alliance] spokesperson, Paul Diego Craney.

Meanwhile, New York moves ahead with its ignorant bureaucrats issuing edicts for the end to fossil fuels a few years out. At this point the voters remain almost entirely unaware of what is coming.

Read the full post here.

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fretslider
November 21, 2021 2:48 am

I cannot speak for the US, but in the UK

“So, as the costs of attempting to “transition” away from fossil fuels start to hit home, will anybody actually go through with the project? “

The answer is yes.

You heard from our [UK] leaders and the anti-democratic Prince of Whales. Alok Sharma broke down in tears at the failure to end the CoP dance at 26. He now says that was due to a lack of sleep… 

We already pay huge amounts on our gas and electricity bills to fund the green project. That’s why they had to introduce price caps and assistance for pensioners and the poor etc

“A report commissioned by the Norwegian government has contradicted Boris Johnson’s recent claim in Parliament that offshore wind costs have fallen by 70% in a decade. It confirms that the UK’s newest offshore wind farms remain high-cost operations. Indeed, the academics who produced the report have said the forthcoming Dogger Bank wind farms will be unprofitable, and are essentially worthless, with a value of around minus £1 billion in current terms. Remarkably, the findings have not been disputed by the developers. The findings, however, are just the visible tip of a very large iceberg of unprofitable offshore wind projects that are threatening to hit pension funds that have invested in similar renewable energy schemes.”

https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2021/11/20/worlds-largest-offshore-wind-farm-unprofitable-government-funded-report-confirms/

It’s very easy to fritter and waste other people’s money. They do it all the time…

£6,000 Domino’s pizza bill to feed migrants arriving in UK”
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/6000-domino-s-pizza-bill-to-feed-migrants-arriving-in-uk/ar-AAPhhfx

The costs associated with the kid glove approach to XR and Insulate Britain are in the millions

Vuk
Reply to  fretslider
November 21, 2021 3:01 am

‘anti-democratic Prince of Whales’ of all kinds, dolphins, seals, not forgetting talking trees, ….
Spell check is a rascal.

fretslider
Reply to  Vuk
November 21, 2021 3:04 am

Vuk

That was no spell check, that was deliberate.

No cheese and wine for you.

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Vuk
Reply to  fretslider
November 21, 2021 3:08 am

Well, let’s keep the rest too, but don’t mention ta…x and other care products.

fretslider
Reply to  Vuk
November 21, 2021 3:15 am

Lets put your faux pas down to Sunday morning.

I already mentioned tax – £6,000 Domino’s pizza bill to feed migrants arriving in UK

You don’t think Carrie Antoinette paid the bill, do you?

John Law
Reply to  fretslider
November 21, 2021 4:08 am

We can only take comfort from the fact that the last time we beheaded a king, his name was Charles!

John H
Reply to  John Law
November 21, 2021 4:30 am

Followed by inviting his son back to carry on with a few extra checks on dictatorship !!

Gottlob
Reply to  John H
November 21, 2021 5:56 am

And very effective they’ve been too. Why, without them just imagine, they could have imposed economic suicide via net zero without the consent of the populous.

Oh wait…!

Ben Vorlich
Reply to  John H
November 21, 2021 9:49 am

Mainly because Cromwell turned out to be worse dictator than Charles.

Rich Davis
Reply to  John Law
November 21, 2021 8:47 am

No need for the messy business of beheading. Just eliminate the monarchy on the day of E II R funeral and confiscate all the royals’ assets. Except the wine and cheese burning Aston Martin. That should be burnt and dumped into the sea.

Scissor
Reply to  fretslider
November 21, 2021 4:41 am

Something about her not using a balloon to comb her hair makes me not trust her.

Dean
Reply to  fretslider
November 21, 2021 3:15 am

Awwwww, how will he be able to drive then???

fretslider
Reply to  Dean
November 21, 2021 3:37 am

Get the diesel out….

it emerged a winter lights display at Sandringham is running on diesel generators.
The Luminate attraction at the Queen’s Norfolk estate is powered by the generators, along with a funfair and car park floodlights erected for the five-week event.”

https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2021/11/20/charless-dirty-little-secret/

Vuk
Reply to  fretslider
November 21, 2021 4:32 am

… maybe the manager is our friend Griffo
I’m told (can’t be true), Griffo is running a diesel powered large battery of powerful spotlights shining on his solar panels to supply national grid with renewal energy at cloudy days and nighttime*****

Scissor
Reply to  Vuk
November 21, 2021 4:43 am

If the shit hits the fan, diesel fuel is the easiest to make from vegetable oils, rendered fats, etc.

fretslider
Reply to  Scissor
November 21, 2021 5:15 am

But not from insects…

John
Reply to  fretslider
November 21, 2021 5:15 pm

but we could render down the Prince of Whales

Rich Davis
Reply to  Dean
November 21, 2021 3:40 pm

The hope is that Chuck Windsor or Mrs Windsor will be able to walk to the grocer’s from their tidy council estate. Talking to the shrubbery on his perambulation, no doubt. But if that should prove difficult, he could always take public transportation.

Jay
Reply to  fretslider
November 21, 2021 5:44 am

Don’t you mean, “No cheese and Whine!”

Vuk
Reply to  Jay
November 21, 2021 5:51 am

Cheese & biscuits will do I’ll bring wine. Cheers!

Tom
Reply to  fretslider
November 21, 2021 8:27 am

I would have gone with Prince of Wails…

Peta of Newark
Reply to  Vuk
November 21, 2021 3:16 am

More like Prince of Wails..

Domino’s for pizza. Lord help us, how do they give themselves away…..
They could have taken those folks to Wetherspoon’s, sat down with a knife, fork and plate in the cozy warm for a couple of hours for Half The Money

really they could

Peta of Newark
Reply to  Peta of Newark
November 21, 2021 3:19 am

just to absolutely clarify, The Plate would have come ‘with pizza included’

Tom in Florida
Reply to  Peta of Newark
November 21, 2021 6:47 am

Domino’s is not real pizza.

Graemethecat
Reply to  Tom in Florida
November 22, 2021 12:36 pm

Causes severe heartburn in most people, including myself. I would rather starve than eat a Domino’s Pizza.

John
Reply to  Peta of Newark
November 21, 2021 5:17 pm

Dominos – plastic cardboard – no nutritional value

Sparko
Reply to  Vuk
November 21, 2021 5:16 am

Whales unite, whales will fight,
Whales will go on eating plankton.
Dudley Moore and Peter Cook.

Vuk
Reply to  fretslider
November 21, 2021 3:16 am

Slip sliding away, they will get you there, one bit at the time.

michel
Reply to  fretslider
November 21, 2021 3:21 am

I agree. The UK is headed off a cliff. Scotland however is leading the way. The latest thing they are trying is to use their windfarms to generate hydrogen, which they expect to sell to… someone. Maybe Germany.

Hydrogen as a natural gas replacement is a non-starter as an application, and to generate it from wind farms is just finding the most expensive electricity you can for the purpose. And they will of course apply the expensive electricity to gas to generate the hydrogen, thus raising the cost of the end fuel several times to no benefit of any kind.

Future historians are going to write this as an episode in a long series of great popular delusions and madnesses of crowds.

The same party, the SNP, who seriously think a woman is anyone who says they are.

John Law
Reply to  michel
November 21, 2021 4:14 am

Oh where is Jonathan Swift when you need him?

John H
Reply to  michel
November 21, 2021 4:33 am

The same numpties who banned landfill with no alternatives in place, resulting in a rash of incinerators popping up to burn the waste. All while sitting on redundant open cast mines you could fill and then cap to capture the methane to burn for energy,

Spetzer86
Reply to  John H
November 21, 2021 5:11 am

Can you incinerate wind turbine blades? I thought they had to be landfilled due to noxious gasses or something?

Ian Johnson
Reply to  Spetzer86
November 21, 2021 5:51 am

First, it would take a lot of energy, secondly, correct about the noxious gases. The core materials for composite sandwich structures are: rigid foam, PMI foam, honeycomb and balsa wood. Rigid foams mainly include polyvinyl chloride (PVC), polyurethane (PU), polyetherimide (PEI) and acrylonitrile-styrene (SAN or AS), polymethacrylimide (PMI), and foaming. Polyester (PET), etc. From The core materials for wind turbine blades are mainly PMI foam – Cashem Advanced Materials Hi-tech Co.,Ltd

Vuk
Reply to  Spetzer86
November 21, 2021 5:55 am

They will be sent to Australia for growing coral reefs.

John
Reply to  Vuk
November 21, 2021 5:19 pm

we dont want European junk
dump it in the northsea

Scissor
Reply to  michel
November 21, 2021 4:45 am

At least such schemes ought to set the high bar as far as stupidity is concerned.

fretslider
Reply to  michel
November 21, 2021 5:11 am

“Scotland however is leading the way.”

“NICOLA STURGEON has sparked “serious reservations” with SNP MSPs and MPs after she insisted the controversial Cambo oil field off the coast of Shetland should not be given the go-ahead.”

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1524321/nicola-sturgeon-cambo-oil-snp-news-latest-vn

Without oil and gas Scotland has no hope of independence. But it’s more complicated than that.

“THE SHETLAND Islands rattled the SNP led Scottish Government after it’s chief politician claimed the isles were ready for a form of independence from Scotland.”

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1374854/scotland-news-scottish-independence-shetland-islands-nicola-sturgeon-malcolm-bell

She’s denying jobs and earned income to the people of the Shetlands. Why should Scotland get independence and the Shetland islands not?

Jay
Reply to  michel
November 21, 2021 5:48 am

Would hydrogen work as a (very!) short term load leveling tool? I gather it is tough to store. As far as I can tell, there is still no great way to transport it, so wouldn’t it need to be burnt near where it was generated?

It doesn't add up...
Reply to  Jay
November 21, 2021 6:41 am

If you go from electricity to hydrogen and back again you are looking at round trip efficiencies of no more than 40%.That makes it inherently costly however you store it between times.

Abolition Man
Reply to  Jay
November 21, 2021 12:44 pm

Jay,
If you just add a few carbon atoms into your hydrogen it becomes much easier to store or transport!
I understand that it can actually produce much more energy that way, but the climate con artists haven’t figured out a good way to siphon off their grift, so we’ll have to find another way!

John
Reply to  Jay
November 21, 2021 5:22 pm

you start with 1MWh of electricity and by the time you have turned it into hydrogen and then turned it back into electricity you have between 0.2 & 0.3 MWh of electricity
just the same as the old storey start with $100 dollars and end with nothing

Tom in Florida
Reply to  michel
November 21, 2021 6:49 am

“Future historians are going to write this as an episode in a long series of great popular delusions and madnesses of crowds.”

Or the Dark Ages II.

John
Reply to  Tom in Florida
November 21, 2021 5:23 pm

future historians will compare us with the middle ages when we burned witches

bill Johnston
Reply to  michel
November 21, 2021 10:42 am

“no benefit of any kind”. You obviously don’t understand the business model. See, a few rich people put some money in the pot, come up with a plan. Then the government puts lots more money in the pot. The rich take out their investment plus a large amount for investing and then the plan moves forward. And the taxpayers send the government more money to invest. Easy.

Old Cocky
Reply to  michel
November 21, 2021 12:17 pm

Germany had great success using H2 in the aviation industry.

Robert Hanson
Reply to  Old Cocky
November 22, 2021 10:01 am

The Hindenburg was a “great success”, until it wasn’t.

John
Reply to  michel
November 21, 2021 5:18 pm

sad thing is electrolisers dont have a long life if you keep turning them on an off

LdB
Reply to  fretslider
November 21, 2021 4:55 am

The UK are the new crash test dummies having taken over from Germany.

richard
November 21, 2021 2:51 am

That brightened my day.

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Steve Case
November 21, 2021 4:00 am

 Are we talking about a ten percent increase in the cost of energy for this decarbonization project, or will it be a doubling, or maybe a tripling — or maybe even a multiplication by ten?
_______________________________________

Or maybe it can’t be done. At least it won’t be done with wind mills and solar panels. Eventually gasoline diesel and jet fuel plus all the other products made from petroleum will have to be synthesized. That will take more energy than can be generated with wind farms and solar panels. But of course, the left doesn’t like nuclear. Of course, once they gain complete control that will change.

Gottlob
Reply to  Steve Case
November 21, 2021 6:06 am

Why will they have to be synthesized in energy intensive processes when they are plentiful in supply in the ground?

Sounds like a peak oil argument

I think Thomas Gold was onto something with abiogenic petroleum.

Robert Hanson
Reply to  Steve Case
November 22, 2021 10:10 am

A few years ago Google tasked some of their top engineers to map out the path from FF to Net Zero. These guys fully believed in AGW, and really wanted to make it work. After a few years the project was closed down, when they came to the conclusion that it was impossible.

When the highly skilled True Believers say it can’t be done, you can be pretty sure it can’t be done.

John in Cheshire
November 21, 2021 4:00 am

Here in the UK I have long believed that we should be refurbishing existing coal fired power stations and building new ones. Fed with our own coal reserves.

Three key things that lead to a prosperous country, I believe are:
Cheap energy
Energy independence
Demand driven economics rather than supply driven economics.

And to retain some semblance of this logic, the UN and the WEF should be defunded to stop their malicious meddling in everything.

LdB
Reply to  John in Cheshire
November 21, 2021 4:57 am

Well those 3 things are now distant memories for the UK so lets see how it all pans out and whether other countries want to follow.

Rich Davis
Reply to  John in Cheshire
November 21, 2021 9:56 am

I thought it was rum, sodomy, and the lash?

Dennis
Reply to  John in Cheshire
November 21, 2021 9:03 pm

UK Government has signed an agreement with Rolls Royce to buy several 470MW modular nuclear powered generators.

They have also commissioned design of a new nuclear submarine class for the RN and the RAN.

Joseph Zorzin
November 21, 2021 4:17 am

“you would think that we would be far down the road toward detailed engineering studies of what the decarbonized energy world will look like and exactly how much it will cost”

Well, a year or so the state of Massachusetts energy czar said that even if every building in the state was covered with solar panels and many wind turbines were built at sea- even then, a few hundred thousand acres of forests in the state would have to be sacrificed for more solar “farms” to get to net zero paradise. He resigned a few days later rather than being fired for telling the truth. Now, it’s funny to see the climatistas in the state, who have pushed so hard for “wind and solar” are now seeing huge solar “farms” being built in THEIR communities and they are now bitching about it. A decade ago a large solar “farm” was built near me in north central Mass., a lightly populated area and mostly low income, an area that voted for Trump, an area with few climatistas. I ranted about it and asked the state’s big enviro groups to come look at it- just so they’d know what a solar “farm” really looks like and to see the damage it did- to wildlife, the aquifer, and to property values. Not a single enviro showed up. They still claim wind and solar will save the Earth- just as long as it’s not in their ‘hood. And of course the ultra elite (like Obama) on Martha’s Vineyard don’t want to see wind turbines many miles off shore from their mansions. After all, when they cruise around in their big yachts, the turbines would be such an eye sore.

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Jim Gorman
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
November 21, 2021 5:46 am

“you would think that we would be far down the road toward detailed engineering studies of what the decarbonized energy world will look like and exactly how much it will cost”

When you think about how much equipment is required to move from oil based fuels to EV’s and to heat pumps from natural gas we are too late already. Engineering of transmission lines, transformers, substation expansion, land acquisition, residential breaker boxes, etc. should have already been engineered and ordered. This real, physical equipment doesn’t appear overnight. The amount required is going to take years to manufacture, let alone install.

Abolition Man
Reply to  Jim Gorman
November 21, 2021 12:57 pm

Jim,
And the best part is that you can’t manufacture it with intermittent Unreliables!
That’s the most hilarious part about the CAGW hoax and Net Zero; you can’t actually get there from here, except in the minds of the self deluded! Right, griffter!?
The priests of Climastrology are on the horns of a dilemma; if they try to implement their agenda before the parts are all in place, they fail! Maybe they can order them from Amazon with our new, high-efficiency infrastructure!

Tim Spence
November 21, 2021 4:28 am

I don’t think it’s possible to dispense with fossil fuels, too much need for petro-chemicals. The problem is that the plutocrats believe ‘science’ will solve everything, in their utopia, sciencey type people just put their thinking caps on and hey presto.

Frank from NoVA
Reply to  Tim Spence
November 21, 2021 5:18 am

Not science, but “the science”…

Doonman
Reply to  Frank from NoVA
November 21, 2021 10:08 am

They believe in “The Science” I see yard signs that say that.

I asked a guy who agreed with the sign if that meant he agreed with the scientific method. “What’s that?'” he asked.

AndyHce
Reply to  Tim Spence
November 21, 2021 12:00 pm

Especially when their “science” is just ideology under a different label.

Dave Andrews
Reply to  Tim Spence
November 22, 2021 8:13 am

Yes.

For example petrochemicals provide the building blocks for most medicinal drugs. Nearly 99% of pharmaceutical feedstocks and reagents are derived from petrochemicals.

Likewise single use inexpensive plastic items are essential in medicine to reduce the risks of infection. Most are made from polyethylene derived from petrochemicals.

Robert Hanson
Reply to  Dave Andrews
November 22, 2021 10:13 am

What, these things can’t be made from Bird Choppers and solar panels? Are you sure?

Alasdair Fairbairn
November 21, 2021 5:11 am

The trouble is that when the the costs hit home it will be too late to unravel it all without severe disruption.

Thomas Gasloli
Reply to  Alasdair Fairbairn
November 21, 2021 10:19 am

And that is the plan: do as much damage as possible as quickly as possible. Never underestimate the malevolence of a Democrat administration.

Albert H Brand
November 21, 2021 5:40 am

I live in New York State and almost everyone in my neighborhood (Westchester County) has generators to keep the lights on when the power goes off. Con Edison upgraded the gas line behind my house from 4” to 12” a 9 fold increase in capacity. I just hope Texas can supply the gas until we start fracking our own.

observa
November 21, 2021 5:53 am

Don’t our leaders understand we’re all going down with the Titanic?
Voices: The climate crisis has put all of us on the Titanic – we are, quite literally, sinking (msn.com)
and if you deny that you’re a racist fascist naturally-
Climate denial is waning on the right. What’s replacing it might be just as scary (msn.com)

I did like this bit-

So, what do we do now? [assuming you’re not a racist fascist of course]
First, we need to reform the Cop process. Governments by themselves cannot create a zero-carbon economy, without the agreement of the other three pillars of the fossil-fuelled economy: banks, fossil fuel corporations and media.

Second, the climate movement needs to prioritise two targets. Press the global corporate media leadership to use their immense political power to advocate for the urgent fair transition to a zero-carbon economy by 2030.

And you don’t think the propaganda job they’re doing at present is good enough? Picky.

Rick C
November 21, 2021 5:59 am

Sadly the only way that this madness will ultimately be stopped is by voting out the swindlers which will only happen when the populace finally realizes that they have been conned. We are still at the stage where the vast majority are claiming to be able to see the king’s fabulous magic clothes so as not to appear to be fools. Right now no one’s listening to us kids pointing out the king is naked.

Cue Danny Kaye.

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MarkW
Reply to  Rick C
November 21, 2021 6:31 am

Voting out the swindlers also assumes that there are still honest elections.
If the so called voting reforms that the Democrats are demanding pass, honest elections will be a thing of the past.

Lurker Pete
Reply to  MarkW
November 22, 2021 1:45 am

If the global parasite class get their way with CBDCs, centally controlled private ledger programmable digital currency, politics won’t matter.

Capitalist-Dad
November 21, 2021 6:31 am

Looks like the garbage elite is running the “Green Project” along the usual lines. Loot billions of taxpayer money and direct it to crony developers. Tax the “rabble” more to keep the money-losing wind farm going. When energy prices go through the roof, laugh about how it will force the rabble into green energy. Best of all, yuk it up in the comfort of your garbage elite lifestyle with its unlimited heat, light, power, limos, gourmet food, private jets, mansions, and whatever other luxuries you desire—all powered by fossil fuel, because sacrifices are for the serfs.

Charlie
November 21, 2021 6:47 am

But there are those who intend it to happen whether we like it or not, such as David Ismay, the former Undersecretary for Climate Change in the Massachusetts Executive Office of Energy and Environmental Affairs.

“So let me say that again, 60% of our emissions that need to be reduced come from you, the person across the street, the senior on fixed income, right… there is no bad guy left, at least in Massachusetts to point the finger at, to turn the screws on, and you know, to break their will, so they stop emitting. That’s you. We have to break your will. Right, I can’t even say that publicly….”

But his remarks did become public and, happily, cost him his $130,000 per year job. But don’t worry, he’s now a climate advisor at a computer modelling climate/food outfit called Gro Intelligence.

As the screw turns: “Break their will” climate czar resigns – Vermont Daily
Chronicle

There’s many more like him, as evidenced by the nodding heads in the video clip.. Don’t let them break your will

Lurker Pete
November 21, 2021 7:26 am

nobody agreed to anything

Really? Odd that Francis Menton penned this a year ago…
https://www.manhattancontrarian.com/blog/2020-12-6-what-our-betters-have-in-store-for-us-the-great-reset

but seems comepletely unaware of this…

UN-Backed Banker Alliance Announces “Green” Plan to Transform the Global Financial System
https://unlimitedhangout.com/2021/11/investigative-reports/un-backed-banker-alliance-announces-green-plan-to-transform-the-global-financial-system/

willem post
November 21, 2021 7:35 am

It is not just New England gasoline cost being increased by the anonymous, Biden cabal of extreme-leftist Dem/Progs, but also ELECTRICITY costs

EXCERPT from:

Playing Russian Roulette with Reliable Electricity Service to New England

https://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/when-the-costs-hit-home-nobody-will-give-up-fossil-fuels-in-new
https://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/wind-and-solar-provide-50-percent-of-future-new-england

This image shows the NE system demand and fuel usage during the cold spell at the end of December 2017 and beginning of January 2018
Link to Interactive page
The electricity sources, on the left side, can be clicked to display how the fuels stack up. 
Interactive display of Fuel Usage and Demand during Arctic Freeze

Pennsylvania is blessed with an abundant supply of gas, but Governor Cuomo, of NY, to display his “climate change fighting credentials”, had been obstructing, the much needed, extension/augmentation of the pipe lines that are needed to provide reliable electricity service to New England. 

Various RE entities in Connecticut and Massachusetts, who had been obstructing, the much needed, augmentation of gas and oil storage capacities, were his allies.

BTW, similar tactics had been used by such RE folks in California, which resulted in major havoc during a US southwest heat wave.

As a result of these RE tactics, the NE dual-fuel gas plants, that reliably, and efficiently, produce steady, low-CO2, low-cost electricity, did not have enough gas during the cold spell, because much of the Pennsylvania supply was diverted for building heating in Boston and other cities.

Those plants were forced to use much more expensive oil, which is much “dirtier”, and has much more CO2/kWh than gas.
Rolling black-outs, and 100% black-outs, were imminent, because the stored oil supply was almost used up.
Millions of people would have been freezing their butts off, in the dark, with leaking pipes.
Note the large amount of oil generation (grey) from Dec. 26 to Jan. 9
Note the cold spell temperatures (thin line) from Dec. 26 to Jan. 9 

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These URLs provide examples of wind/solar lull conditions

https://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/analysis-of-a-6-day-lull-of-wind-and-solar-during-summer-in-new
http://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/wind-plus-solar-plus-storage-in-new-england
https://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/wind-and-solar-energy-lulls-energy-storage-in-germany

Peter Wells
Reply to  willem post
November 21, 2021 9:27 am

All that confirms my decision to move from NH to FL back in 2018. We did it in order to get away from that terrible “global warming” up north.

markl
November 21, 2021 8:14 am

That is the plan from its’ inception. Cripple West/Capitalist economies and “spread the wealth”. Making, capturing, spreading, and supporting the narrative through media control and world politics, specifically by the UN, has always been the plan. They bit off more than they can chew and it’s coming home to roost. People aren’t willing to reduce their lifestyle to bolster someone else’s out of charity.

Tom
November 21, 2021 8:28 am

Perhaps the UK can set the example that no one else wants to follow.

gbaikie
November 21, 2021 8:35 am

We don’t need fossil fuel if we explore space.
Some people may think we have explored space, but we haven’t.
The last time we did any significant exploration of space was the
Apollo program. And Apollo was not really about exploration- it was a race
to land on the Moon. Races of who can go where, is not really exploration-
Though one could say they are a typical beginning steps to exploration.
We found out a lot by landing on the Moon. Not going to make list, but
found one that the craters on the Moon were not volcanic- which upset our
whole view of our world.
If we get off planet Earth, there enormous energy available in space.
But space needs to explored before we can gain access to it.
And it will take time to get access to it, it could take 50 years after exploring
space, before this can have significant effect upon global energy needs.
US has plan to explore space, explore lunar poles and then explore Mars.
And it’s currently being delayed. Which is bad sign, as this already been delayed
by decades. But other than being delayed by US government, a lot things are moving
forward.

gbaikie
Reply to  gbaikie
November 21, 2021 11:59 am

Hmm.
I make it clear. We waste trillions dollars on government spending.
All money spend related to space exploration “makes” money.
Now, one might say government giving money to poor people
{which btw, really small dollar amount compared govt spending}.
So, government take our wealth and does something with it.
But it’s not causing wealth generation or not making money,
it’s spending money losing wealth. And government could spend money on
anything, and falsely argue it’s making money or generating
wealth, but it’s not.
Or government spending your wealth on alternate energy is
not making money or generating wealth- rather is losing money
or making the nation less wealthy. It’s waste of time, and generates
toxic waste. Sure it’s going to create jobs in future to clean the mess
and cleaning up waste actually adds wealth- but made the mess in the first
place, a NET LOSE.
Whereas consequence of space exploration is more wealth everywhere.
Of course without space exploration, one would not have solar panels, so could add
that as being a minus for space exploration. But not really a fair thing to blame
the stupid use of solar panels on space exploration. It’s like blaming all the trash
of Twitter on space exploration.

Frank from NoVA
Reply to  gbaikie
November 22, 2021 5:43 am

The so-called benefit of State-directed space exploration is just one more recent example of the ‘broken window’ fallacy that results from seeing only the benefits of a policy (e.g. Tang or Velcro) while Ignoring the possibly enormous benefits of what free humans might have invented had their resources not been forcibly redirected by the State.

gbaikie
Reply to  Frank from NoVA
November 23, 2021 1:38 pm

We paying for Exploration, my argument is NASA should do exploration that we paying it to do.
Or NASA has wrongly spend many billions of dollars on “global warming” related matters. Space exploration would the cheapest thing to do related to
‘and global warming or any environment thing that NASA ca imagine do”, other than space exploration

David Wells
November 21, 2021 9:17 am

We will not be given the choice Boris has already decided to ban everything that uses coal oil and gas. I am absolutely sure that even when people start dying of hypothermia Boris will say that this is the sacrifice humanity has to make to save the planet. Boris wrote an article for the Church Times in which he said global over population is the real problem. We have to remember that Boris was and remains a journalist and Attenborough a cameraman come narrator, what else would you expect other than BS.

Doonman
November 21, 2021 10:01 am

Initially, 12 states plus the District of Columbia were in talks to enter the agreement, but just Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island and D.C. eventually signed a memorandum of understanding by December 2020.

The first thing Article 1 Section 10 of the US Constitution states in clear English for all to read:

“No state shall enter into any treaty, alliance, or confederation;”

Further along it also states:

“No state shall, without the consent of Congress, lay any duty of tonnage, keep troops, or ships of war in time of peace, enter into any agreement or compact with another state, or with a foreign power, or engage in war, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent danger as will not admit of delay.”

I am sure that Congress has passed legislation allowing States to enter into the TCI agreements, because none of those States that already did would knowingly violate the Constitution.

But I cannot find the enabliing legislation by searching the Federal Record. Perhaps someone here can point it out for me.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Doonman
November 21, 2021 10:59 am

Doonman,
For better or worse, it seems that the Interstate Compact clause has been interpreted to require explicit approval by Congress only if the states involved would assume powers allocated to the federal government such as the imposition of import duties or the regulation of interstate commerce.

Agreements to pursue coordinated state law could be argued as not technically interstate compacts in the sense intended in the Constitution. In other words, the states could freely choose to pass laws that are effective within their boundaries and do so without any need for a formal agreement. For example, states could agree to set tobacco or alcohol taxes at the same level to avoid giving an incentive for people crossing state lines to avoid a high tax. Or states may all choose to use a common vendor for processing toll transactions on the highway so that the same transponder can work across state lines.

I’m not sure that the Transportation and Climate Initiative would be more than an agreement to coordinate state regulations.

Well I’m not a lawyer, much less a constitutional lawyer, so who knows? I am pleased to see Connecticut make a rare sane decision, though.

Doonman
Reply to  Rich Davis
November 21, 2021 12:04 pm

I think the words “Congress”, “without” and “any” are explicitly clear in their meaning.

Which is why I was looking for the enabling legislation.

Interpretation would require SCOTUS decisions, so I’ll look there too.

AndyHce
Reply to  Rich Davis
November 21, 2021 12:15 pm

When one state is producing something for sale to all interested customers (e.g. natural gas) and your state has many eager customers but you state government is forbidding import into your state, that would seem by any logic to be regulating/restricting interstate commerce.

Rich Davis
Reply to  AndyHce
November 21, 2021 1:47 pm

Yes, for sure. The Interstate Commerce clause has been perverted to an inflated, all-encompassing doctrine, beyond anything recognizable to the founders by the same cast of characters who would like to interpret it here in a minimalist sense. I am not advocating this, just making an observation of what seems to have been the precedents.

November 21, 2021 10:06 am

Worth adding that India says it wants a TRILLION DOLLARS from us to pay for its going net zero in 2070. The sooner the better.

Most (maybe all) of the developing country official climate action plans are contingent on our funding.

Never happen so not real.

AndyHce
Reply to  David Wojick
November 21, 2021 12:16 pm

Even if Biden, Kerry, and others too numerous to mention have control of the purse strings?

Abolition Man
Reply to  David Wojick
November 21, 2021 1:13 pm

David,
Don’t be too sure! With the current Dementia-Patient-in-Chief acting as the beard for his Marxist puppet masters, we could easily see a few more trillion printed out for distribution to the world! Destroying the dollar as a world currency seems to be part of the Beijing Plan!
The current DemoKKKratic strategy seems to be to do as much damage as possible; then, after getting smashed in the 2022 midterms, they can spend the next few years blaming the racist Republicans and white supremacy for all of our problems! So far it seems to be working with a lot of their base, and many of the Republican pols are stupid enough to fall for it!

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ResourceGuy
November 21, 2021 11:00 am

So there is still a glimmer of rational thinking and democracy left in the northeast. We’ll call it a twinkle for now.

Jay
Reply to  ResourceGuy
November 21, 2021 12:01 pm

The failure of COP 26 shows what India, China and Russia are thinking. These countries know Wind and Solar are ridiculous options for getting their populations out of poverty. They also know the ONLY option is fossil fuels. What eco-freaks from the West don’t realize is eco-freakism is a fantasy of Western nations. COP 27, 28, 29 etc etc will all be failures for the same reasons COP 26 was a failure. When the United States, the epi-center of global eco-freakism won’t commit to reduction of CO2 the writing is on the wall. China and India are choosing to help their own people. Their choice to snub the propaganda of the IPCC and eco-freaks everywhere will ultimately save lives in their own countries. That said, I’m now going to celebrate with a cold beer that COP 26 was shoved back down their throats.

Rich Davis
Reply to  ResourceGuy
November 21, 2021 2:23 pm

If you’re relying on our Connecticut Governor “King Ned” Lament or Mass RINO Gov “Charlie Parker” for a glimmer of rational thinking, then you know all hope is lost.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bostonherald.com/2020/03/23/joe-biden-calls-charlie-baker-charlie-parker/amp/

ResourceGuy
November 21, 2021 12:51 pm

Let’s see how we can spin this Calif. news (below) with climate change scare messaging.

1) Global warming is causing households to move inland for fear of rising seas. /sarc
2) Global warming is causing financial stress on households. /sarc
3) Global warming is making climate refugees in California. /sarc

The news (WSJ): The migration is shuffling California’s demographics. Increasingly, the state’s middle class is moving to inland desert and mountain communities. Its coastal cities such as L.A. and San Francisco are housing more of its affluent residents and low-income people who can’t afford to move. The drive from the Inland Empire to jobs in Los Angeles and Orange counties is long but bearable, a price many newcomers have long been willing to pay in exchange for less expensive houses and better-performing schools. The pandemic provided remote workers one more reason: a chance to dodge sluggish freeway commutes altogether.
Nearly a half-million California households—both individuals and families—moved from one metropolitan area to another throughout the state, and many left coastal regions, where home prices have jumped to new highs. The median price for existing single-family homes in California hit a record $827,940 in August, more than 17% higher than a year earlier, according to the California Association of Realtors.

CWinNY
November 21, 2021 3:30 pm

QI used an analogy to demonstrate how so-called renewables inreased costsa; a man owned a 4-wheel drive SSUV to commute. A co-worker convinced him to buy a smaller vehicle. He bought an open air 2-seater. IT got twice the fuel mileage, but could only be used when the weather was nice.Now he has 2 car payment, 2 insurance policies, and had to pay a contractor to mbiggen his garage. (writers on the Simpsons were tasked to invent two words that sounded vaguely legitimate -they came up with embiggen and cromulent. Both are now in Webster’s dictionary. After six months, the sports car buyer found he would have saved money if he had just left things as they were.

John
November 21, 2021 5:10 pm

We are in a massive energy crisis – it is now not 5 years away

No significant new exploration for the last 10 years but apart from the last 2 years fossil fuel use was growing at about 2-5% per year

the Reserves Replacement Ratio of the IOCs is less than 1 and in some cases as low as 0.5

From a simplistic view most of the IOCs had 10 years of reserves so every 0.1 below 1 meant a 10% decrease in forward reserve
This ignored the fact that demand was growing

That means we are now starting to draw the bottom of the Barrel

no wonder prices are going up

and the Middle East has now realised the value of there product so why pump harder to push the price down for the dumb Westerners (Bidden, Johnson and Morrison)

Dennis
November 21, 2021 8:58 pm

A few years ago there was a neighbour who was a member of a bulk vegetable oil buying group who produced bio-diesel fuel in his home garage using equipment obtained from a scrap metals yard, he was guided by a retired engineer.

The cost calculations, and they were done realistically, resulted in under A$1.00 per litre several years ago.

He said that at first he obtained used vegetable oil from commercial waste but that needed careful filtering so unused vegetable oil was better for the purpose.

Dennis
November 21, 2021 9:05 pm

Book Twilight of Abundance by David Archibald …

Convert coal into fuel for transport and use thorium molten sales reactors to generate electricity.

November 21, 2021 9:13 pm

Let’s do the math:

[The following costs merely take into account storage capacity, that is the physical battery field(s), not the storage of electricity.]

Batteries are astronomically expensive. 100 MW for 24 hours = 2,400 MWh. At $1.5 million per MWh that is a whopping $3,600 million or $3.6 billion.

https://www.cfact.org/2019/04/26/batteries-cannot-make-renewables-reliable/

The Washington, DC area serviced by Pepco (three jurisdictions, including Washington, DC) witnessed a summer peak for August 2008 of 6,888 MW. With two-weeks battery backup (14 days) to cover for unusual weather events – cloud cover/windless days – we come to this ‘affordable’ figure that’s divided over a phased-in period of 10 years…

(1) 6,888 MW X 24 hours = 165,321 MWh.

(2) 165,321 MWh X $1.5 million = $247,968,000,000

(3) 14 days X $247,968,000,000 = $3,471,552,000,000/10 = $347,155,200,000

(4) We divide that amount by the three jurisdictions’ combined budgets = $22.81 billion…

(5) $347,155,200,000/$22,810,000,000 = 15.2

Pepco’s customers would have to see their local taxes increase approximately 15 times for each year of the ten-year phase-in period, and those taxes will only cover electricity!

Pat from kerbob
November 21, 2021 10:21 pm

“Everything looks simple to those with no understanding”.
Unknown

spock
November 25, 2021 9:05 pm

Check out Tokyo at night, no amount of windmills or solar panels is ever going to keep the lights on. Only coal and nuclear energy are up to the task.

Please read these books, the two best books debunking climate change crap. Click the links to download a free copy. Please share with your family and friends.

The moral case for fossil fuels
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Fake Invisible Catastrophes and Threats of Doom
http://library.lol/main/62F19352A7FD8FA7830C90D187094289

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