‘They Need To Breed Less’: The Darkness Of Climate Zealotry

Reposted from American Thinker

By Vijay Jayaraj

In this age of green craze, the most likely response to legitimate concerns about the lack of access to energy for the world’s poor is advocacy for so-called renewable technologies such as wind turbines and solar panels.

As embarrassing as that suggestion should be to the advocate of such unreliable and impractical energy sources, there are sometimes even more cringe-worthy replies that verge on the inhumane.  A recent tweet of mine prompted one such response.

The tweet was directed to attendees of COP26, a United Nations climate conference that gets underway this month at Glasgow.  The annual conference seldom addresses third-world energy poverty, which deprives billions of people of basic needs like clean water, lights, and modern medical care.  Many of these people are subjected to indoor pollution from cooking and heating with wood and animal dung while bureaucrats and politicians preach the banning of the very fossil fuels necessary to alleviate their suffering.

When I questioned in a tweet the evident lack of empathy for poor people in developing parts of the world, a person responded that India has too many people.

“I want COP26 attendees to ask themselves a simple question,” my tweet stated.  “What are they going to do about those in the third world who still do not have access to affordable & reliable energy — both for cooking and for electricity? We need gas, oil, and coal. Do not enforce energy apartheid on us.”

The response tweet said, “India is seriously overpopulated, they need to breed less.”

Breed less?  How can an Indian like myself not be insulted by such an anti-human suggestion?  Are the 1.3 billion people of India lab rats with no right to procreate as we see fit?

Moreover, the idea that population increase is a problem is outdated.  During the 1960s and 1970s, there was media-supported fear-mongering that overpopulation would bring down the world due to scarcity of resources.  This notion died with late 20th-century advancements in the agricultural and industrial sectors that made food more plentiful than ever.  Virtually every metric of human well-being has increased in the last fifty years.  The proposition that we are overpopulated is wrong.

Persons harboring such thoughts should note that the Indian breeding ground gave the world brilliant thinkers such as the present CEOs of Google, Microsoft, IBM, and Adobe.  Ironically, the person apparently ridiculing my country used the Twitter platform whose current chief technological officer is from India and did his schooling in a city a few hundred miles from where I live.  And then there have been the likes of Mother Teresa; Mahatma Gandhi; polymath scholar and founder of the republic B. R. Ambedkar; and numerous other leaders in politics, business, education, and science.

Having noted the cultural slight, I return to the lack of concern for energy poverty in developing countries as the larger issue.  It is the religious fervor of the climate-alarmist cult driving a misanthropic view that would deny people basic needs — even life itself — to achieve the fantasy of a carbon-free economy.  All to purportedly avert a fabricated climate crisis.

If this disregard for our very humanity goes unchallenged, we could be in for some dark times indeed.  Watch COP26 at Glasgow for trends.

Vijay Jayaraj is a research associate at the CO2 Coalition, Arlington, Va., and holds a Master’s degree in environmental sciences from the University of East Anglia, England.  He resides in Bengaluru, India.

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Spetzer86
October 27, 2021 6:03 am

I’m actually surprised someone didn’t suggest attacking the overpopulation issue with “applied nuclear technology”…. Some of these people are looney enough to lean that way.

Allan MacRae
Reply to  Spetzer86
October 27, 2021 6:21 am

 It appears that someone is “attacking the overpopulation issue” with the Covid-19 “vaccines”.

The Covid-19 lockdowns, distancing, masking were never scientifically necessary. The Covid-19 “vaccines” were neither safe nor effective. It was all a global-scale scam.
 
Read the second half of my latest paper:
“SCIENTIFIC COMPETENCE – THE ABILITY TO CORRECTLY PREDICT”
by Allan MacRae, B.A.Sc., M.Eng., October 2021
http://correctpredictions.ca/
(excerpt)
 
The ability to correctly predict is the best objective measure of scientific and technical competence.
 
Following are the correct predictions of Allan MacRae and colleagues on two important subjects:
– GLOBAL WARMING ALARMISM
– COVID-19 LOCKDOWNS AND ”VACCINES”
 
Our scientific predictions on both these subjects are infinitely more accurate than the mainstream narratives, which have been false and baselessly alarmist to date.
__________________________________

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/10/08/announcing-the-first-wuwt-climate-change-essay-contest/#comment-3364071

It is now obvious that the summer case spike and hundreds of thousands of deaths in North America attributed to the Covid-19 virus were actually caused by the Covid-19 “vaccines”.
 
The Covid-19 “vaccines” are kill shots and the “vaccine mandates” are a death sentence.
 
I first published this hypothesis in June 2021 or earlier
.
It is especially egregious for governments and institutions to be pushing the Covid-19 injections on school children and young adults, teachers, health care workers, etc. Children and healthy adults are at very low risk of severe harm from the Covid-19 virus, but the “vaccines” are dangerous..
 
Vaccine-caused injuries and deaths can be crudely categorized as follows:
 
Short Term: Immediate severe adverse reactions including deaths from the injections occur with hours or days of the injections and harm more than one in 1000. Myocarditis and pericarditis are already happening, particularly to teenage boys. Heart muscle does not heal.
 
Medium-Term: It is hypothesized that more prevalent adverse reactions to the “vaccines” due to Antibody-Dependent Enhancement (ADE) will occur during this winter flu season.
 
Long-Term: It is hypothesized that much more prevalent adverse reactions to the “vaccines” due to damage to the circulatory system, leading to circulatory blockages, heart attacks etc. The D-dimer test of the vaccinated will provide an early warming of future harm.
 
“78% of the deaths in the U.K. are among the ‘double-vaccinated.”
– Canadian Physician Dr. Mark Trozzi
 
“If we vaccinate our children the deaths we’ve seen in adults so far we will now see in children.”
– Canadian Epidemiologist Dr. Paul Alexander
 
“I think we’ve completely suppressed any form of treatment or help to people in order to promote the vaccine. Now the vaccine doesn’t work completely and it’s, frankly, dangerous. We’re down to almost one message: Take the jab or else … It’s the scariest time to be an American, and thank goodness half of Americans didn’t take it.
We’re going to have to see what this is going to look like. I think the next month or so is going to be incredibly interesting and it’s going to be ominous.”
– American Cardiologist Dr. Peter McCullough
 
“In the end, i predict that we’re going to see mass illnesses and deaths among people who normally would have wonderful lives ahead of them.”
– German Microbiologist Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi 
 
“Hope to be wrong, rarely am.”

Regards to all, Allan MacRae, B.A.Sc.(Eng.), M.Eng.
Calgary

Scissor
Reply to  Allan MacRae
October 27, 2021 6:58 am

Hey, you have to take it to find out what’s in it.

Bryan A
Reply to  Scissor
October 27, 2021 9:53 am

Personally I might start taking the Klimate Zealots serious when I see Them turning out in DROVES to be voluntarily permanently sterilized prior to reproducing.

Spetzer86
Reply to  Allan MacRae
October 27, 2021 8:51 am

Looks like FDA will approve childhood vaccinations. This may remove legal issues for Pfizer and others. I liked the one committee member response along the lines of “we don’t know if it’s safe or not, but what the heck.”

Dmacleo
Reply to  Spetzer86
October 27, 2021 12:58 pm

it was approved by FDA last night/today under an EUA extension just like the other “approved” one was.
yet media only reporting as approved.

MarkH
Reply to  Spetzer86
October 27, 2021 8:34 pm

It always helps when the members of the FDA advisory panel used to work for Pfizer. Nothing that comes out of the FDA, the CDC, or the TGA here in Australia should be trusted in the slightest, these organisations are fatally compromised, as are many others.

Peta of Newark
Reply to  Allan MacRae
October 27, 2021 9:19 am

Yup.
Something really really stinks inside this Covid thing – not just Roundup stealing people’s Zinc, Iron, Copper and Magnesium, thus trashing their immune systems
I leave you this without comment nor wish to derail the thread 🙂
https://www.naturalhealth365.com/censored-covid-statistics-3417.html

Just take it away as a basis for more investigation. OK?

Reply to  Allan MacRae
October 27, 2021 10:51 am

Vaccines are generally safe unless you are allergic to anything used to produce it. The mRNA vaccines are relatively new and long term effects are not well known. They do share one property of a virus which is to infect a cell and subvert it’s machinery to produce spike proteins that must eventually burst out and get into the blood stream so that the immune system can act, hopefully destroying the messenger RNA in the process. If the messenger RNA is somehow able to coexist with the existing machinery of a host cell and continuously produce spike proteins, that could cause problems since the immune system is targeting the spike proteins and not the messenger creating them, which for an ordinary virus are the same thing.

Nels
Reply to  co2isnotevil
October 27, 2021 12:19 pm

The vaccines are not generally safe. They are all processed through animal tissues and likely to pick up odd animal virus like SIV40.

PeterD
Reply to  Nels
October 27, 2021 8:28 pm

I am one of those nasty pro-vaccine people.

My father took me to live in a third world country. Vaccines were in short supply, but they were valued, and in demand. Consequently everyone got every vaccine offered.
I grew up to be a doctor. In turn I took my children to live in a third world country. Vaccines can be very difficult to get due to cost and transport. Consequently everyone got every vaccine offered.
In my country, the antivaxer sentiment is strong. On our return to Australia, I was treating illnesses not seen in South East Asian countries, simple vaccine preventable illnesses. It’s hard watching gullible young people dying from vaccine preventable illness.

Now retired, I have watched the covid and covid vaccine statistics with interest. I am absolutely staggered at the safety and efficacy of the Covid vaccines. The success is almost unheard of in the medical world. No vaccine is 100%, the idea is to reduce deaths in the community.
As I said, all of my close family lived in poor areas. They know the score. My extended family is vaccinated.

I am dissappointed that a bunch of skeptics who pride themselves on there ability to analyse the data aren’t prepared to look at the official and raw data on Covid.

Allan MacRae
Reply to  PeterD
October 28, 2021 12:45 am

False! The Covid-19 “vaccines” are not safe or effective.
I have studied this subject for ~3000 hours and have read the reports.
I am not anti-vax – another falsehood – I am anti these so-called “vaccines”, which are much more dangerous than the Covid-19 illness, especially for young people.

Last edited 1 month ago by Allan MacRae
TonyG
Reply to  Allan MacRae
October 28, 2021 7:30 am

It is astounding to me how supposedly intelligent, rational people are unable to distinguish between “anti any vaccine at all” vs. “I’m uncertain about this ONE”

Allan MacRae
Reply to  Allan MacRae
October 29, 2021 1:51 am

Video: The Vaccine is More Dangerous than COVID-19: Dr. Peter McCullough
Why are we Vaccinating Children Against COVID-19?
By Dr. Peter McCullough and Michael Welch
Global Research, October 26, 2021

Video: The Vaccine is More Dangerous than COVID-19: Dr. Peter McCullough – Global ResearchGlobal Research – Centre for Research on Globalization

 

The following is a timely and critical interview with Dr. Peter McCullough

Selected Excerpts

“From an epidemiology perspective for causality, we apply what’s called “The Bradford Hill” criteria. And they go as follows…

“The first question we’d ask is “does the vaccine have a mechanism of action, a biological mechanism of action, that can actually kill a human being?”

And the answer is yes! 

“Because the vaccines all use genetic mechanisms to trick the body into making the lethal spike protein of the virus. It is very conceivable that some people take up too much messenger RNA.

They produce a lethal spike protein in insensitive organs like the brain or the heart or elsewhere. The spike protein damages blood vessels, damages organs, causes blood clots. So it’s well within the mechanism of action that the vaccine could be fatal. Someone could have a fatal blood clot.

They could have fatal myocarditis. The FDA has official warnings of myocarditis. They have warnings on blood clots. They have warnings on a fatal neurologic condition in some cases …. So the FDA warnings, the mechanism of action, clearly say it’s possible. That’s one of the first criteria.

“The second criteria is, “is it a large effect?” And the answer is yes!

This is not a subtle thing. It’s not 151 vs 149 deaths. This is 15,000 deaths. So it’s a very large what’s considered “effect size” or a large effect.

“The third one is “is it internally consistent?” Are you seeing other things that could potentially be fatal in VAERS? Yes! We’re seeing heart attacks.

We’re seeing strokes. We’re seeing myocarditis. We’re seeing blood clots, and what have you. So, it’s internally consistent.

“Is it externally consistent? That’s the next criteria. Well, if you look in the MHRA, the yellow card system in England, the exact same thing has been found! In the Uterus system in the UK the exact same thing’s been found.

“So we have actually fulfilled all of the Bradford Hill criteria! I’ll tell you right now that COVID-19 vaccine is from an epidemiological perspective are causing these deaths in a large fraction!” 

Dr. Peter McCullough

 

***

Allan MacRae
Reply to  Allan MacRae
October 29, 2021 2:17 am

Too many people have already taken the toxic Covid-19 “vaccines”. It’s too late. All we can do now is prevent children from getting these very dangerous “kill shots”.

I sent this email to my physician friends.

At this time, I believe that I have the most accurate predictive track record on Climate and Covid.
 
Want to know what’s going to happen next re Covid? ‘
 
Based on my in-depth scientific analysis of the uncertainties and the probabilities…  …. we’re f**ked!
 
Regards, Allan

Allan MacRae
Reply to  Allan MacRae
October 30, 2021 8:35 pm

Healthy Athletes Suddenly Fall Ill, Die After Forced Covid Injection – And The Media’s Silent
https://www.oom2.com/t76952-healthy-athletes-suddenly-fall-ill-die-after-forced-covid-injection-and-the-medias-silent#160989 
 
As I predicted in September 2021
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/09/21/covid-1984-kfc-smugglers-and-brutal-police-repression/#comment-3350468
Watch professional sports in one year – most of the athletes who took the Covid-19 injection will have left the game – because they are no longer competitive. Professional athletes are highly-tuned humans, operating at the peak of fitness – they are the ‘canaries in the coal mine” and the vascular clogging caused by the injections will cause them sufficient harm to make them uncompetitive. A D-dimer test will tell the story.

Sebastian Magee
Reply to  PeterD
October 28, 2021 2:33 am

It seems you are unaware of the huge spike in the VAERS index, and how this index is severely underrepresented of the reality because most doctors are like you and believe the vaccine is safe so are very hesitant to add a case to the index.

It is said that a more realistic value is 10x higher than what the index shows, and in any case the values it shows are completely unprecedented. ¿How can you say “I am absolutely staggered at the safety and efficacy of the Covid vaccines” in the light of this?

This is an untenable position for any rational thinker.

I am no anti-vaccine. That doesn’t mean I agree with mandatory verified risky vaccines. I haven’t been against any other vaccine ever.

John Hultquist
Reply to  Allan MacRae
October 27, 2021 10:52 am

“Heart muscle does not heal.”

This issue would be a better government investment than the green schist promoted by the Climate Cult.

Duane
Reply to  Allan MacRae
October 27, 2021 11:06 am

There you go again hijacking another thread on WUWT with your anti-vaxxer nonsense. Go away and do not ever come back.

Graemethecat
Reply to  Duane
October 27, 2021 12:38 pm

Give us a point-by-point rebuttal with evidence of Allan McRae’s assertions and we may take you seriously.

Dmacleo
Reply to  Duane
October 27, 2021 12:59 pm

you first.

Derg
Reply to  Duane
October 27, 2021 3:16 pm

Breathe Duane….just Breathe like Simon

Allan MacRae
Reply to  Duane
October 28, 2021 12:39 am

Want to talk about Climate and Energy?

Read the first half of my latest paper:
“SCIENTIFIC COMPETENCE – THE ABILITY TO CORRECTLY PREDICT”
by Allan MacRae, B.A.Sc., M.Eng., October 2021
http://correctpredictions.ca/
(excerpt)
 
The ability to correctly predict is the best objective measure of scientific and technical competence.
 
Following are the correct predictions of Allan MacRae and colleagues on two important subjects:
– GLOBAL WARMING ALARMISM
– COVID-19 LOCKDOWNS AND ”VACCINES”
 
Our scientific predictions on both these subjects are infinitely more accurate than the mainstream narratives, which have been false and baselessly alarmist to date.

Carbon Bigfoot
Reply to  Allan MacRae
October 27, 2021 1:08 pm

Alan I offer my favorite doctor:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/a0R169guuIXv/ Canadian Interview
http://drleemerritt.com/ She goes by the Medical Rebel handle a real genius.
https://www.drleemerritt.com/articles

Allan MacRae
Reply to  Carbon Bigfoot
October 28, 2021 8:58 pm

Thank you – Lee Merritt, an excellent, competent, ethical physician.

HotScot
Reply to  Allan MacRae
October 27, 2021 3:31 pm

When covid fizzles out, and climate change collapses, ‘over population’ will be the next battleground.

Then, as people wake up, the spectre of underpopulation will be rolled out.

We won’t see this as we will all be long gone, but we have the ability to write the history books our successors will read.

We have the opportunity to offer them the history that just might spare them the tyranny we face right now.

Reply to  HotScot
October 27, 2021 4:33 pm

Overpopulation and underpopulation are already overlapping.

LdB
Reply to  Allan MacRae
October 27, 2021 4:20 pm

This statement is actually funny
“78% of the deaths in the U.K. are among the ‘double-vaccinated.”

Given the vacination rate of those over 12s in the UK is up over 80% …. think about it 🙂

jim west
Reply to  LdB
October 27, 2021 6:34 pm

Exactly, and much higher than 80% for the over 60 year olds, i.e. those that actually die from Covid.

AlexBerlin
Reply to  LdB
October 28, 2021 6:31 pm

So the effect of the vaccine is the difference between 78% deaths among “over 80%” of the population. Not a convincing pro-vaccine case. If that vaccine were working as advertised, we’d see close to NO deaths among the vaccinated (like with the actually working vaccines for smallpox, rabies, polio….)

Last edited 1 month ago by AlexBerlin
Duane
Reply to  Spetzer86
October 27, 2021 11:05 am

Environmentalism as it is practiced today is at its core a misanthropic philosophy. They hate people – or at least, they hate OTHER people.

michel
October 27, 2021 6:08 am

In the end all radical political movements turn to mass murder. Usually starting with each other.

Reply to  michel
October 27, 2021 6:13 am

Socialism fails when it runs out of other peoples’ money
Communism fails when it runs out of people.

Miyake
Reply to  michel
October 27, 2021 6:26 am

They do turn to mass murder, but the first victims are always those who can’t fight back. It’s usually later on, when their own disciples begin to feel that their mentors are either insufficiently committed to the cause, or have somehow become ‘corrupted’ that the fun really begins.

ATheoK
Reply to  Miyake
October 27, 2021 4:00 pm

Corrupt Attorney Generals already heavily prosecute conservatives for crimes which they refuse to cite democrats.

The Night of Long Knives, also known as the Röhm Putsch, was the purge of the SA leadership and other political opponents from 30 June 1934 to 2 July 1934. Carried out primarily by the SS and the Gestapo”

That purge happened very early in the Reich. It happened shortly after the SA terrorized opponents and threatened voters that allowed Hitler to rise in power.
The purge targeted the SA just as the SA had purged opponents and enemies.

Reply to  michel
October 27, 2021 1:17 pm

COP26 is turning really Halloween. Very scary.

Dave Yaussy
October 27, 2021 6:09 am

The improvement in human conditions that fossil fuels have made possible has led to lower birth rates in developed nations. If someone is truly concerned about birth rates in developing nations, he or she should be encouraging increased use of fossil fuels to drive economic growth.

MarkW
Reply to  Dave Yaussy
October 27, 2021 7:57 am

Improved conditions have led to lower birth rates in all countries, not just the developed ones.
The world as a whole is barely above replacement level, if it hasn’t dropped below that level already.
It’s only improved life expectancy that is driving population increases anymore.

Last edited 1 month ago by MarkW
Eric Smiff
October 27, 2021 6:09 am

My three times Scottish Green Party candidate ex declared that it was disgusting that food was so cheap. I asked her what poor people should eat. She replied ‘less’.

Paul Penrose
Reply to  Eric Smiff
October 27, 2021 9:55 am

Let me guess: she was overweight herself.

DonM
Reply to  Eric Smiff
October 27, 2021 10:02 am

she must have had other significant redeeming qualities….

Ed Zuiderwijk
October 27, 2021 6:15 am

Radical green is essentially misogynistic and misanthropic. Mysogenistic: the biggest energy consumer in the house is the washing machine. Guess who will carry the can when we are forced to use less energy. Misanthropic because we are with too many. It is a profoundly regressive ideology.

Don Perry
Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
October 27, 2021 6:49 am

Really? I’d bet the biggest energy consumer in the house are the heating and air conditioning systems, along with water heating for bathing and washing dishes.

MarkW
Reply to  Don Perry
October 27, 2021 8:02 am

Depends on where you live.

MarkW
Reply to  MarkW
October 27, 2021 9:42 am

When I lived near Los Angeles in the 60’s and 70’s, our house had a single wall mounted A/C unit, that was only used a few days a year. There were also 2 or 3 wall mounted gas heaters, and those were only needed for a month or so in the winter.

mike
Reply to  Don Perry
October 27, 2021 8:33 am

The biggest continuous year round user is usually the heat pump also known as a refrigerator or freezer

AndyHce
Reply to  Don Perry
October 27, 2021 1:18 pm

and refrigerators

Justin Burch
October 27, 2021 6:17 am

I once thought these suggestions were insane conspiracy theories but I now accept that the vaccines being pushed on us with insane disregard are for the purpose of depopulating the Earth. The amount of myocarditis in Canada caused by widespread treatment with the experimental mRNA has been steadily rising so that it is now just over 1/5000 in young males 18-15 and it has no sign of stopping. And all over the world unexplained excess death is being reported in places like Scotland, and Germany. I hope to God I am wrong about this but it’s the same bunch using the same disinformation tactics and embracing the same leftist/fascist ideology and flawed computer modelling as in climate change who are currently pushing the total insanity over COVID. And now we are about to begin mass vaccination of our children!

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Justin Burch
October 27, 2021 8:23 am

… the vaccines being pushed on us with insane disregard are for the purpose of depopulating the Earth.

It would have been more effective and faster without the vaccines, as demonstrated by what happened in the nursing homes in New York.

Ozonebust
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
October 27, 2021 9:27 am

But not as profitable

bonbon
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
October 27, 2021 9:27 am

Or Brazil – Bolsonaro faces a major kickback after his attitude. Trump apparently defends him, even though Trump did organize Warp Speed. Of course Brazil does not have anywhere near such resources.

Trying to Play Nice
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
October 27, 2021 3:43 pm

But that only got rid of the elderly with comorbidities.

Sebastian Magee
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
October 28, 2021 5:21 am

Absolutely incorrect, the virus was much less effective at killing the young and healthy than the vaccine.

Richard (the cynical one)
October 27, 2021 6:18 am

Reducing the world population to a manageable level is the only pragmatic solution to a manufactured crisis. There is no human or humane way around that, nor to achieve that.

The key word is ‘manageable’, and it is critically important you position yourself to me one of the managers. If not that, being one of the managed would allow you subsistence survival, rather than being redundant to operations.

n.n
October 27, 2021 6:25 am

Diversity [dogma] (i.e. color or class-based judgment), inequity, and exclusion (DIE). The wicked solution (e.g. planned parent/hood) to a purportedly hard problem (e g. social progress, medical progress, climate mitigation). There are precedents. How will they delegate (e.g. one-child/selective-child) the Choice this time?

n.n
October 27, 2021 6:31 am

The Twilight Fringe (i.e. conflation of logical domain, a dark matter) a la “penumbras and emanations” is a faith and plausible Amendment. Roe, Roe, Roe your… violently or gently down the river Styx.

PaulH
October 27, 2021 6:31 am

Their obsession with “overpopulation” is a fundamental problem with the Green Blob and a reason why I do not trust environmentalists. It’s always “too many people” with the Green Blob; they never say there are too many souls or too many minds. They just want to eliminate the people they consider to be an unnecessary burden. (And be sure to duck if you happen to suggest that any member of the Green Blob is welcome to follow their advice and remove themselves from the burdensome living.)

James Snook
October 27, 2021 6:52 am

I agree with you Vijay, but Mother Theresa was Albanian.

philincalifornia
Reply to  James Snook
October 27, 2021 8:43 am

OK, replace her on the list with Har Gobind Khorana.

Mr.
Reply to  philincalifornia
October 27, 2021 8:57 am

Where does Rajendra Pachauri fit into the lineup?

Jeroen B.
Reply to  Mr.
October 27, 2021 9:27 am

at the bottom of the barrel, enthusiastically scraping to try and find someone below him

4E Douglas
Reply to  Mr.
October 27, 2021 10:13 am

Haven’t heard of ” ‘ol Choo Choo” Pachuri in years…
wonder if he’s back to working the Mumbai switchyard…

Mick O'Keefe
Reply to  4E Douglas
October 27, 2021 12:09 pm

Nah, I think he croaked.
But he certainly had a good time while he was here.
OPM (Other People’s Money) is great for that.

philincalifornia
Reply to  4E Douglas
October 27, 2021 1:20 pm

You’ll need a successful séance to find out. While you’re at it, ask Prince Philip if, despite the bad timing, and lack of massive lethality from Covid, he’s claiming credit for his reincarnation as the virus that would kill billions of black, brown and slitty-eyed people.

Or email his elder son ………

fretslider
October 27, 2021 6:52 am

third-world [energy] poverty

Is entirely deliberate. It underpins mass migration into Europe. Where all the shiny things are.

It is entirely consistent with the ideas of Count Richard von Coudenhove-Kalergi and his European heirs in the EEC/EU. Winners of the Charlemagne prize.

For it was written…

Michael in Dublin
October 27, 2021 7:05 am

Who do those who want to reduce the population want to get rid of?
 •  The ill who cannot be productive?
 •  The aged who cannot be productive?
 •  The lazy who are not working?
 •  The lazy who are unproductive workers?
 •  Those who do unproductive jobs that do not produce food, clothing etc?
 •  Those who seem to spend all their time in protests?
 •  The career politicians who have not made a single useful thing in their lives?

Perhaps we should try by starting at the bottom of the list and work our way up to see how it works out?

fretslider
Reply to  Michael in Dublin
October 27, 2021 7:09 am

The GND wants…

Economic security for all who are unable or unwilling to work

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/5729035/Green-New-Deal-FAQ.pdf

And it wants you to pay for it.

Ed Zuiderwijk
Reply to  Michael in Dublin
October 27, 2021 7:20 am

Too many categories. Impracticable. Reduce to two: those who want to impose on others how to live, and those who do not. Start with the first group and soon there will be no more problem.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
October 27, 2021 8:29 am

Unless the second group comes to realize that they didn’t understand the dynamics of large populations.

There were never mass protests or riots held by Mountain Men.

bonbon
Reply to  Michael in Dublin
October 27, 2021 9:35 am

The template for that is Aktion T4 of 1938 – a directive kept secret until war broke out. T4 being the address of the Health Ministery, Tiergarten 4. This opened the door to the Holocaust. At Nuremberg defendants claimed they were only implementing eugenics well known in Britain and the USA.

Eugenics is the polite word here.

John Kelly
October 27, 2021 7:12 am

Vijay, you forgot to mention the great cricketers that have been breed in India.

Indeed, too many of these climate change warriors are appalling human beings.

griff
October 27, 2021 7:15 am

Well it is considered offensive by the developing world to call them the ‘third world’ these days… so you could do them the courtesy of referring to them as developing, perhaps.

and then you could assuage your massive ignorance by looking at the many programmes in India to address the issues you raise – very many of them involving renewable and sustainable solutions

Pat from kerbob
Reply to  griff
October 27, 2021 7:24 am

Window dressing just like here in the west

Tom Halla
Reply to  griff
October 27, 2021 7:25 am

Renewable and sustainable are code words for not working and dreadfully expensive.

Mr.
Reply to  Tom Halla
October 27, 2021 9:01 am

Yep. As one village that Greenpeace fitted out with solar panels complained –
“we want PROPER electricity”

leowaj
Reply to  griff
October 27, 2021 7:36 am

And just who is offended by “third world”, Griff?

MarkW
Reply to  leowaj
October 27, 2021 8:10 am

The socialists are always looking for reasons to be offended.
They can’t feel superior to others if they aren’t being constantly offended.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  leowaj
October 27, 2021 8:30 am

Let me guess. The ‘Woke.’

Tom Abbott
Reply to  leowaj
October 27, 2021 5:35 pm

Griff thinks he speaks for India.

Another area where Griff assumes too much.

fretslider
Reply to  griff
October 27, 2021 7:36 am

But no toilets for ~500 million people

You do trust the BBC, right?

India’s long, dark and dangerous walk to the toilet
The danger faced by women going to the toilet outdoors in rural India was made clear last month when two girls were ambushed, gang-raped and hanged from a tree. But defecation outside is normal for most Indian villagers – so how do they manage?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-28039513

You need to get your priorities straight, griff.

One could easily argue that they are offensive.

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Reply to  fretslider
October 27, 2021 12:24 pm

When I was working in Joburg in the dying days of apartheid, my African colleague asked me if it were true that “come the reveolution, we (blacks) will all have a Mercedes and a swimming pool (like the whites)”.

This was what the Cuban agitators were saying in the townships.

In those days the white population was small and very connected, and it wasnt long before I managed to get hold of someone in the government who had the answer, to just how much water South Africa actually had : I went back to my Swazi workmate and said, “Well Lawrence, there isn’t even enough water to give every black man a flush toilet, let alone a swimming pool”

And that has proved to be the case with severe water shortages all over S Africa as teh population has mushroomed, and there is no money to create the infrastructure to recycle it or dam more rivers.,

The Left always promises what cannot be delivered.

bonbon
Reply to  Leo Smith
October 27, 2021 1:36 pm

And then came Obama, telling SA forget airconditioning – the world would boil over. What a patronizing American!
Meanwhile Obama backs Biden.

have a look here :
South Africa: A Leader on the Continent for Nuclear Energy

https://lawrencefreemanafricaandtheworld.com/analysis/south-africa/

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Reply to  bonbon
October 27, 2021 2:38 pm

I do hope that they go with nuclear power – the marxists greens are already tryung to shut down the coal and put up windmills
but coal is one of the main sources of wealth, and power, and employment

MarkW
Reply to  griff
October 27, 2021 8:08 am

Now that’s funny. griff lecturing other people on how not to be offensive.

Bill Toland
Reply to  griff
October 27, 2021 8:20 am

Griff, Indians are not interested in using renewables like wind and solar to produce energy because of their cost and limitations. Coal provides 56% of total energy use in India. Excluding hydro and traditional biomass like burning dung, renewables account for less than 3% of energy use.

philincalifornia
Reply to  griff
October 27, 2021 8:48 am

You could assuage your massive ignorance by telling us all how this is going to stabilize the climate, and show us your math.

In the alternate, don’t even bother trying, because the topic doesn’t even exist, so won’t help. Carry on as this site’s talking vegetable and calculator-dodger, unassuaged.

4E Douglas
Reply to  griff
October 27, 2021 10:23 am

Greenies like Griff go to bed at night with the gnawing fear of healthy,
happy, and prosperous dark skinned people….

TonyG
Reply to  griff
October 27, 2021 11:55 am

So griff, you agree with the sentiment? You want less brown people?

Graemethecat
Reply to  griff
October 27, 2021 12:45 pm

It’s a good job Griff is here to speak on behalf of all the oppressed people in the Third (sorry, Developing) World, patronising, self-righteous w@nker that he is .

.

2hotel9
October 27, 2021 7:38 am

I agree! Leftards should stop breeding. Thank God they abort more of their babies than they birth.

October 27, 2021 7:45 am

Good point. Good article. Can I re- blog this on my website?

Vijay
Reply to  HenryP
October 27, 2021 11:21 am

Yes Henry you may!
Vijay

Reply to  Vijay
October 28, 2021 3:00 am

Thanks!

Giordano Milton
October 27, 2021 7:46 am

People making such suggestions should look first to themselves, to make examples for others. Population control should start with those who feel the need to dictate to everyone.

M Courtney
October 27, 2021 7:49 am

Strange how it’s always non-white people whom the Greens think breed too much. Yet on average non-white people have a smaller global footprint than whites.

It’s almost as though the Green principles are masking some other impulse.

M Courtney
October 27, 2021 7:49 am

It should be noticed that the nun Mother Theresa was not a great breeder herself.

TheLastDemocrat
Reply to  M Courtney
October 27, 2021 9:34 am

This comment maligning Mother Theresa is offfensive and hopefully it will be removed.

Climate believer
Reply to  TheLastDemocrat
October 27, 2021 10:27 am

You are in a “cancel culture” free zone bud, suck it up.

Doonman
Reply to  TheLastDemocrat
October 27, 2021 10:44 am

Yes, the tenets that all nuns hold near and dear to their commitments to their religion are offensive and maligning when mentioned in public.

Best not to be seen at a fish market on Friday or entering a church on Sunday lest someone be maligned and offended to those actions either.

MarkW
Reply to  TheLastDemocrat
October 27, 2021 12:11 pm

I see nothing offensive in the post. He’s just pointing out that since Mother Theresa took a vow of chastity, she’s not likely to beget a large number of offspring.

M Courtney
Reply to  MarkW
October 27, 2021 12:56 pm

Thank you. That’s exactly my point.

mark stevens
October 27, 2021 8:06 am

Perhaps that’s the real goal of the so-called ‘net zero’.

Clyde Spencer
October 27, 2021 8:19 am

… the Indian breeding ground gave the world brilliant thinkers such as …

Citing the accomplishments of a small number of exceptional individuals does not address the negative aspects of a large population living in poverty and squalor, but still making huge demands on natural resources simply because of the number of people. It is a Red Herring logical fallacy!

It isn’t obvious whether it was done purposely, or if the author was just inadvertently demonstrating that he isn’t a member of the rarefied class of individuals he holds up as representative of all Indians.

bonbon
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
October 27, 2021 9:43 am

India still has not freed itself from the Caste System. China does not have that problem, with similar population. India still has not fully signed onto the BRI, proposed OSOWOG, a green alternative.
Potential relative population density, the only true measure of physical economy, depends on energy flux density per capita, per hectare. Precisely that is under attack with Prince Charles’ Great Reset and GND. India had exactly that before with the British Raj, who identified precisely the Cast System as exactly their model. Note the Davos promise – it is a global Caste system.

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TonyG
October 27, 2021 8:52 am

“If this disregard for our very humanity goes unchallenged, we could be in for some dark times indeed”

It seems to have become the norm lately. And not just in the context of “climate change”.

October 27, 2021 8:55 am

Irrespective of ethnicity, the world has limited resources, and pushing up food supply using artificial fertilizers needs fossil fuel that is getting more expensive.

Of course we have no right to limit populations, that is a choice people must – and are – making for themselves.

But if people don’t so choose, nature will choose on their behalf. Without technology the planet used to be able to support probably 0.1% of what it does now.

Arguing and moralizing over population is in the end pointless. If more people are born than can be supported, they will simply die. A world without contraceptives or modern technology was, we understand, a world of a few million people only. And there was no rapid population growth until industrialization. Were people not having sex? One doubts it. They were just dying young. Or being killed at birth. War, disease, famine…infant mortality, infanticide. Take your pick. They are the alternatives to industrialized society and contraception.

Civilizations have collapsed with accompanying population crashes many times already.
We have become remarkably adept to date in avoiding serious disease or global famine.
Perhaps we will continue to do so.

But perhaps we won’t.

TheLastDemocrat
Reply to  Leo Smith
October 27, 2021 9:45 am

We are so far from a population that cannot be supported.

Haver you flown anywhere in the last few years? What did you see as you went from city to city? Sure, you saw farmed land and pastures for grazing, But, more than that, you saw vast expanses of land not being pressed into any task.

I did a back-of-the-envelope calculation one day when pondering this concept of the planet not being able to support the population.

By my math, the corn grown in the US each year could supply, for a year, one-third of a daily-2000-calorie need of a population of ten billion.

That is just one crop – corn – and one nation. I think we have what it takes to cover the dietary needs well beyond ten billion.

Our real rate-limiting factor might be reliable potable water.

If we ever get to the point of “overloading” our planet, I am sure we can create and spin up the desalination plants to get potable water.

If we manage nukular energy well, we really have an amaxing source of electricity. I think managing nukular waste is rate-limiting factor #2.

My idea is to bind up nukular waste in safe, trackable payloads and send it into deep space. It will have spent far more than its half life by time it hits anything. OR, send it near the sun, and the sun’s gravity will pull it in, and then the sun will swallow it up.

The risk is it falling back to earth, or being sprayed everywhere if the rocket blew up. Which is why it would need to be binded well, such as in concrete and in some kind of strong capsule. Like the space capsule returning to earth, we just go find it and try to send it out again.

The “Overpopulation” scare is really just God Complex. And Jesus Complex: we need these saviour scientists to save us from our selves.

MarkW
Reply to  TheLastDemocrat
October 27, 2021 12:14 pm

If we weren’t using so much of the food we grow to make fuel, there would be even more available for the masses.
That nuclear waste, isn’t waste, it’s fuel. The dangerous stuff is very short lived and almost completely gone in 3 to 5 years. Everything that’s left could be used as fuel if Jiminy Carter hadn’t banned reprocessing.

Reply to  TheLastDemocrat
October 27, 2021 2:33 pm

Waste disposal, no problem: “Optimization of deep boreholes for disposal of high-level nuclear waste”, Bates, Ethan 2015.
Petroleum drilling technology used to bury this stuff kilometers deep under billions of ton of rock, sealed for a million years.

http://dspace.mit.edu/handle/1721.1/97968

A Santa Clara County company doing this is ( Deep Isolation.com. )

Forbes discussion, https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesconca/2015/03/05/cant-we-just-throw-our-nuclear-waste-down-a-deep-hole/?sh=2827b4523b64

MarkW
Reply to  Leo Smith
October 27, 2021 9:47 am

The world could easily support 10 times our current population, and that’s with today’s technology.
Worrying about what kind of populations could be supported using neolithic technologies is a fools errand and only those who spend their lives worrying about trivialities would even think up such a ridiculous notion.

Reply to  MarkW
October 27, 2021 12:12 pm

The world could easily support 10 times our current population, and that’s with today’s technology.

Well let’s hope you live to test the veracity of that statement. Have you ever visited a third world country?
Food maybe, what about water?
Sewage?
Building materials?

Worrying about what kind of populations could be supported using neolithic technologies is a fools errand and only those who spend their lives worrying about trivialities would even think up such a ridiculous notion.

Nice cancel culture style ad hominem…

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MarkW
Reply to  Leo Smith
October 27, 2021 2:29 pm

If you say something stupid, it’s not an ad hominem to point that out.

The world’s population is going to peak in the next decade or so, so nobody is going to live to see that.

(Now this is an ad hominem)
Are you actually stupid enough to believe that the only problem with third world countries is the number of people?

Reply to  MarkW
October 27, 2021 2:41 pm

The world’s population is going to peak in the next decade or so, so nobody is going to live to see that.

???

If you say something stupid, it’s not an ad hominem to point that out.

Quod erat demonstrandum…

Zig Zag Wanderer
Reply to  Leo Smith
October 27, 2021 7:07 pm

Leo, he’s saying that nobody is going to live to see 10x the current population.

Climate believer
October 27, 2021 8:56 am

The whole population reduction idea allows for eugenics to rear it’s ugly head again, and around, and around we go.

Reply to  Climate believer
October 27, 2021 12:14 pm

Population reduction is not necessarily eugenics.

If, for whatever reasons, there isn’t enough to go round, Nature, the people themselves ,or other people, will decide who dies. Eugenics is simply an excuse for picking someone else to die.

markl
October 27, 2021 9:35 am

Marxists/Progressives only view the world from their place in it. Everyone and everything else exists to please them.

bonbon
October 27, 2021 9:53 am

As some already note, eugenics is lurking again!
Have a look at this British elite ¨tradition¨ – if you dare ! India got this treatment before!
The New Eugenics: Transhumanism and the Myth of the 4th Industrial Revolution
https://canadianpatriot.org/2021/06/06/the-new-eugenics-mindmatters-with-matt-ehret/

Retired_Engineer_Jim
October 27, 2021 12:11 pm

But India isn’t a third-world country. The twit didn’t understand your point.

Reply to  Retired_Engineer_Jim
October 27, 2021 12:48 pm

Whatever else India is, its bursting at the seams.

Its all very well to say ‘in theory we could feed them’ – we did that in Africa. Dumped massive amounts of food aid and money. What happened? Population rose to extinction level again until people bought guns with the aid money and shot each other.

And were hated for being so patronizing as well.

We don’t have the answers, no matter how much we pontificate in liberal circles and wring our hands in pious virtue signalling.

IN particular the USA is EMPTY. India is FULL.

USA ranks 185th in terms of population density at 34 people per square kilometer.
India ranks 29th at 411 people per square kilometer.
Bangladesh is over 1000 people per sq km

(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_dependencies_by_population_density)

I dont think that any American who hasn’t been outside the USA can even conceive of what that feels like, or the pressure it puts on farming, infrastructure, water supply and so on.

Here in England – leaving out the empty wastes of Scotland and Wales – it is the most densely populated country in Europe, getting on for Indian densities, and we can’t both feed the population and give everyone a decent house to live in. There simply isn’t the land area. We are managing to keep everyone in water and dispose of the sewage, but its not trivial.

If a given land area priduces a certain amount of wealth then the average american should be ten times richer than an Indian and 7 times richer than a brit.

Wait till you have a 6 billion population.

MarkW
Reply to  Leo Smith
October 27, 2021 2:31 pm

Is there anything you know that is actually true?
Does it really bother you that much that brown people are having kids?

Declaring that India is full is like going to NYC and declaring that the US is full.

Get outside of your stereotypes and bigotries, and spend a few minutes checking the real world for once.

Reply to  MarkW
October 27, 2021 2:58 pm

mark, you are sad. Its you that needs to get out and actually see how people live in the rest of the word, I have friends in India. I have lived in Africa. I have worked in the USA. you have no idea in the USA of how the world is outside there,
It is not a matter of caring about anythung, It is simple deductive logic. already India is having trouble feeding itself, infanticide is prevalent,
Its not my problem. Vijay is clear that he doesn’t think its any westerners problem. Fine, then he and you and india must live with the consequances of it not being your problem or mine.

D0 you dispute the relative population densities of the UK, USA and India?
I merely point out the obvious facts that where more people occupy an area of land, the less water and food they have per capita. Enforced birth control is one option. IF you consider that per capita wealth is importamt. Or various racist ‘final solutions’. Or perhaps education. Or perhaps allowing people to starve and die of disease. These are some of the choices, and they are not my choices, they are indias choices. But pretendig that there is no issue will not make the problem magically disappear.

I am afraid I am sick of people who want a western lifestyle, but who resent having to learn the discipline, mores and technology sufficiently to build and maintain one in their own countries.

MarkW
Reply to  Leo Smith
October 27, 2021 4:59 pm

You claim that you have lived in India, then you say things that are demontratably untrue.
India is not having trouble feeding itself. It did 40 years ago when it was still wedded to socialism. Since then food production has increased to the point where feeding itself isn’t a problem. Even while it’ population was increasing. Infanticide is still prevelant?
Are you completely delusional, or is your bigotry so intense that it doesn’t permit you to see reality.

Andy Pattullo
October 27, 2021 12:20 pm

Let those who think depopulating the Earth a good thing lead by example. I prefer to stick around and see how much better things get in the face of all the trends to date. India is on a fast track to modernity and better lives. I am rooting for you Vijay. The UN is an organization based on corruption and self idolatry. It’s relevance can be stored in a full matchbox and still leave room for the UN’s conscience.

Reply to  Andy Pattullo
October 27, 2021 1:23 pm

I have no children. Should I buy an AK47 and kill some more?

Derg
Reply to  Leo Smith
October 27, 2021 3:23 pm

Absolutely not…you are crazy

Andy Pattullo
Reply to  Leo Smith
October 27, 2021 5:35 pm

You should get a grip and realize that as the human population expanded and modernized the welfare of all people has improved in almost every measureable way. And access to reliable energy has led to a dramatic reduction in the human footprint on natural lands and oceans and a dramatic reduction in the negative environmental impacts of humans. You need to focus on measured trends not anecdotes and propaganda. I know what you are saying is what we are all taught to believe but reliable is something different. I was taught the same nonsense growing up. As a physician with training in public health I have no excuse now for not knowing better. Have a look at Gapminder.

Andy Pattullo
Reply to  Andy Pattullo
October 27, 2021 5:36 pm

“Reliable” should read “reality”

Andrew Dickens
October 27, 2021 1:00 pm

Sorry but I disagree 100%. We humans are greedily occupying every liveable square inch of the planet. Other species have less and less space to live in. Some animals, say tigers, exist mainly in zoos, and may disappear in the wild before long. This is wrong. We should try to stabilise, then reduce our population.

It’s got nothing to do with food supply. We’ve got food licked. That Malthus stuff is old hat.

The world population is increasing by about 1% a year. Demand for energy is also increasing at about 1% a year. There is a connection.

Until the early 1990s, the UN recognised that overpopulation was the biggest threat facing the world, and held annual population conferences. They were just as ineffective as their climate conferences are now, for the usual reasons.

Reply to  Andrew Dickens
October 27, 2021 1:24 pm

I guess you don’t live in Siberia.

Reply to  Andrew Dickens
October 27, 2021 1:28 pm

Once again voting is disabled …really

But yes, population is a problem if you consider that a western lifestyle is a desirable goal for all humanity.

If on the other hand you feel that forcing western values down other nations throats is somehow racist and patronizing, then the fact that people in less developed and more crowded countries are dying of disease, drinking sewage, and starving to death is of course their cultural right.

MarkW
Reply to  Leo Smith
October 27, 2021 2:33 pm

Forcing any form of values down the throats of others, is most definitely racist and patroniziing.

Once again, you let your bigotry color your opinions of brown people.

Reply to  MarkW
October 27, 2021 3:29 pm

Mark, i am sick and tired of your refusal to face facts. Nowhere did I mention brown people. you did. You are the racist and the bigot.

Look carefully at what I wrote. I merely said, in as neutral a manner as possible, that if people want to exercise what they consider is their cultural right to die or live in poverty and squalor, then that is their choice.

My point was that your assertion that they didnt have to since they could easily be fed by the USA I suppose, is what is founded on bigotry. You have no right to force american food down their throats. Or your ideas.
Vijay is pissed at people looking into india and casting judgements. I understand that. But then Vijay must also accept that india must not expect any assistance from any other culture, if that is how they wish to proceed, Cake and eat it is the name of the game. When my Indian friends tell me how worried they are about their own country, and how crowded and how poor it is, i listen. There is nothing I can do. There is nothing anyone can do. I am just as worried about the growth of woke stupidity and antiscience in my own country. What very little I can do, I do, probably to no great effect, but its all i have to offer.

For most people outside of middle class Europe and USA life is incredibly tough.

And racism is not a white only prerogative, Perhaps you should research the rise of the anti-muslim hindu party in India, and some of what is happening there..or what happened at Partition.

Ugliness is not always white people being racists.

I give you Idi Amin. The Hutu and the Tutses of Rwanda.The plight of Thibetans under Chinese annexation.

all over the world peole are dying from bigotry, war, prejudice, hunger, disease, intfanticide, abortion, euthanasia.

just not in suburban USA and Europe, Well enjoy the blissful ignorance. and let everyone else get on and solve their problems as best they can.
In my case, your opinion is not required, and is not welcome, so take your values and stick them up your arse.

MarkW
Reply to  Leo Smith
October 27, 2021 5:01 pm

YOu are the one going on and on about how India and Africa are such big problems. Yet you claim you have never mentioned brown people.

You are the one making claims that are completely false, yet you demand respect.

As to your opinion of my opinions, given the lies you have been spouting, I really don’t care.

Zig Zag Wanderer
Reply to  Leo Smith
October 27, 2021 7:52 pm

When my Indian friends tell me how worried they are about their own country, and how crowded and how poor it is, i listen. There is nothing I can do. There is nothing anyone can do.

Oh yes there yes. Let the Indians become wealthy through cheap reliable electricity, and they will stop breeding so fast. It’s only people who try to prevent this, and force them to use expensive unreliables, that are going to cause India problems. They are very good at managing it themselves, as they have well proven.

I’m afraid that your Indian friends may be too far removed from the day to day plight of the average Indian (likely if they no longer live there and were relatively rich when they did) that they don’t understand how much better it has got, and keeps getting.

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Zig Zag Wanderer
Reply to  Andrew Dickens
October 27, 2021 7:45 pm

We humans are greedily occupying every liveable square inch of the planet.

Ha ha!

Come to Australia, mate. There are vast tracts of almost totally unoccupied (by humans) land. Much of it quite fertile too. There are probably more termites in each square km than people on Earth. The blighters have a huge methane footprint too.

You can drive all day, and see a handful of cars. And that is on the 0.0001% of the land with roads.

Serge Wright
October 27, 2021 1:37 pm

The population debate was always going to emerge and it was always going to be ugly. The issue is simple, less than 50% of the world’s population would survive if we stopped using FF and for the remaining people it would be a life of minimal subsistence living.

In one sense, this getting raised does highlight that the Green Nazis know that RE won’t work and so they are now edging towards their true agenda. Of course we could also use nuclear to power all our needs and even make the cheap hydrogen for fertiliser, but this would be counter productive to their real agenda.

To bed B
October 27, 2021 2:22 pm

It wasn’t racist. It was an anti-human rant. Hopefully, the kid had an irreversible vasectomy, himself.

Izaak Walton
October 27, 2021 2:22 pm

Vijay seems to have mistaken one single tweet from someone who does not appear to be playing with a full deck with an official position from an official body. The tweet he objects to (out of over a hundred responses) is from a
Clare Kingston whose completely insane webpage is at “http://orionparty.org”

Thinking that such a person represents a mainsteam view is nearly as insane as anything found on orionpart.org.

MarkW
Reply to  Izaak Walton
October 27, 2021 2:34 pm

Izaak once again is trying to cover up the fact that this tweet is not the only evidence that has been provided to show that the attitude shown, is quite common amongst his fellow AGW alarmists.

Derg
Reply to  Izaak Walton
October 27, 2021 3:25 pm

Lol…if you and your ilk had their way you would have Gulags…Russia colluuuusion indeed

bonbon
October 27, 2021 2:25 pm

A musical by the Greenhouse gas Chamber Ensemble :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwJhmIWCMfo

¨You know, this Hallowe’en, In Scotland they’re convenin’ For killing human bein’s,¨…

Scotch the Malthusians!

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John the Econ
October 27, 2021 2:35 pm

Progressive response to the real needs of the developing world: “Keep them poor and dependent, like they’re supposed to be”.

October 27, 2021 2:40 pm

I don’t have the time to dig out my extensive research material on demographics, but it is not difficult to check. Just search on “India birth rate versus long term population replacement rate”. “Overall fertility has dropped below replacement rate in about half of the states, including West Bengal and Delhi” TOI (Times of India). “The rate has generally been below replacement since 1971 and has consistently been below replacement since 2007,” (The Week India.)

MarkW
Reply to  Martin Clark
October 27, 2021 5:03 pm

And yet bigots like Leo keep claiming that brown people are incapable of controlling their birth rates.

chris norman
October 27, 2021 4:05 pm

Of course there are to many people and of course they should breed less.

October 27, 2021 4:38 pm

“Breed” is one of those fluffy imprecise words typical of muddle-headed geriatric pompous garden fascists. What does it mean? Select a population for a trait? Make population more? Or less?

October 27, 2021 5:06 pm

MODERATORS: May I ask you to check the IP address of whoever is posting as “Leo Smith” on this thread against your previous records?

The “real Leo,” I remember, was part author of this thread: https://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/11/30/going-forward-realistically-on-climate-studies-now-includes-october-data/

The comments from the individual using that moniker on this thread, and particularly his exchange with MarkW, do not seem to tally with the ideas expressed by Leo Smith in the article in which he was part author.

I bring this to your attention, because I myself, having several articles as guest author on this site, was recently subjected to impersonation here by someone using my name. That individual picked fights with several most valuable WUWT people, including Rud Istvan. And I was not the first victim of such a scam; Geoff Sherrington suffered it already several years ago.

Edward Katz
October 27, 2021 6:08 pm

Notice that “they” need to breed less; “we” don’t.

PeterD
October 27, 2021 7:57 pm

I am not surprised.
Green philosophy is all about the rich preserving the good stuff for themselves, the poor can do without and stop breeding. It’s inherently racist.
Its a bit like, recycling is what other people do, green renewables generally and wind turbines in particular can never be placed in the inner city green electorates (a few solar panels excepted.

In Australia, going green is wealth distribution to the rich.

Toto
October 27, 2021 9:10 pm

60s and 70s, Population Bomb, Silent Spring, Limits to Growth. The rest is history.
The idea of not having children was a hard sell, so they pushed the environment side more.
Two sides of the same coin.

Mike Thies
October 28, 2021 5:56 am

Having walked the streets of cities and experienced the countryside, India has a great lack of sanitation as well as energy. When seeing and fairly crying at the conditions I could not help but be reminded of the government squads that used to capture and neuter rural young men with the same idea of, “less children needed.” The truth is that Indian women have concurred:

https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/IND/india/fertility-rate

It doesn’t matter what you have to burn for energy to build sanitary systems for cities, just do it. Before that electric light will only brighten the horrors for those living on rivers of filth in hovels built from trash and “mud” brick.

Simon Platt
October 30, 2021 6:39 am

Mother Theresa was Albanian, not Indian, of course.

But I take the point, nonetheless.

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