New York Times Threatens Senator Manchin With Witchcraft If He Obstructs Democrat “Climate” Agenda

Reposted from the MANHATTAN CONTRARIAN

Francis Menton

It’s always been just a little odd that the guy the Democrats most need to get on board to get their big transformational plans enacted is Senator Joe Manchin of West Virginia, while at the same time the centerpiece of those plans is to put the most important industry of West Virginia, coal mining, completely out of business. That sounds like it’s going to be a tough sell. Is there any argument that might convince this guy to get with the program?

In one of the funniest articles I have read anywhere recently, the New York Times thinks that it has come up with the argument that will carry the day: threaten Manchin with witchcraft! The article, covering about half of the front page of yesterday’s print edition, tells Manchin that if he continues to “block” the Democrats’ plans to destroy the coal industry, a spell will be cast over his state and it will be inundated with floods. The headline is “Blocking Climate Plan With Hometown at Risk.”

The Times characterizes Mr. Manchin’s stance thusly:

Mr. Manchin, a Democrat whose vote is crucial to passing his party’s climate legislation, is opposed to its most important provision that would compel utilities to stop burning oil, coal and gas and instead use solar, wind and nuclear energy, which do not emit the carbon dioxide that is heating the planet. Last week, the senator made his opposition clear to the Biden administration, which is now scrambling to come up with alternatives he would accept. Mr. Manchin has rejected any plan to move the country away from fossil fuels because he said it would harm West Virginia, a top producer of coal and gas.

Seems reasonable. Better threaten the guy:

Others say that by blocking efforts to reduce coal and gas use, Mr. Manchin risks hurting his state.

And how exactly would that work? Simple: if Manchin remains intransigent, West Virginia will be destroyed by epic floods.

First Street [Foundation] calculated the portion of all kinds of infrastructure at risk of becoming inoperable because of a so-called 100-year flood — a flood that statistically has a 1 percent chance of happening in any given year. The group compared the results for every state except Alaska and Hawaii. In many cases, West Virginia topped the list. Sixty-one percent of West Virginia’s power stations are at risk, the highest nationwide and more than twice the average. West Virginia also leads in the share of its roads at risk of inundation, at 46 percent. The state also ranks highest for the share of fire stations (57 percent) and police stations (50 percent) exposed to a 100-year flood. And West Virginia ties with Louisiana for the greatest share of schools (38 percent) and commercial properties (37 percent) at risk.

But what, if anything, does any of this have to do with Mr. Manchin’s opposition to the destruction of West Virginia’s coal industry? The Times article does not say, other than repeatedly invoking the phrase “climate change,” as if that has something to do with flood risk from rivers in West Virginia. The article makes no attempt to demonstrate any relationship between climate change and river flood risk.

Perhaps we should look to see what we can find about trends in flooding and/or extreme wet conditions in the United States over the last century or so. That is the period when human “greenhouse gas” emissions have supposedly been warming the atmosphere. Here is, for example, this NOAA chart of what they call “very wet/dry” conditions in the U.S. from 1895 through September 2021:

Can you detect the trend of increasing “extreme wet conditions” in that chart as the atmosphere has warmed (by maybe 1 deg C) over the time in question? Neither can I. How about U.S. flood damage as a percentage of GDP? Here is a chart presented to Congress by Roger Pielke, Jr. in testimony in 2015:

That trend looks to be significantly down rather than up. Mr. Pielke’s comment:

The good news is U.S. flood damage is sharply down over 70 years.

How about the IPCC. Surely they can come up with something to scare us? Here is a 2018 IPCC document with the title “Changes in Climate Extremes and their Impacts on the Natural Physical Environment.” On the subject of floods, from page 175:

The AR4 and the IPCC Technical Paper VI based on the AR4 concluded that no gauge-based evidence had been found for a climate-driven globally widespread change in the magnitude/frequency of floods during the last decades (Rosenzweig et al., 2007; Bates et al., 2008).

In short, the evidence to date gives no reason to believe that there is any reason that floods have increased, or are about to increase, due to “climate change.”

Read the full article here.

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High Treason
October 21, 2021 2:12 am

Senator Manchin needs to be reminded of what happened in Australia. A safe Labor seat in the coal mining area held by Joel Fitzgibbon was nearly lost to One Nation. One Nation (the party I am a member of) has been traditionally smeared with being racist, anti semitic (I am Jewish) etc. They smear those they fear.

Yes, he needs to vote in the interests of his constituents, not the party.

IanE
Reply to  High Treason
October 21, 2021 2:36 am

Also, in the interests of the world. Biden’s idiotic plans are a real death-knell for the West.

Vuk
Reply to  IanE
October 21, 2021 11:59 am

Biden should be concerned with the Chinese low orbit muscle flexing.

Duane
Reply to  High Treason
October 21, 2021 4:35 am

I don’t believe that Senator Manchin needs to be reminded of anything. He is doing what his constituents voted for, and needs no reminder of who sent him to Washington. Ditto with Senator Sinema of Arizona.

The ones who need reminding are the DemoCommunists, who lost big time to Democratic Party moderates in the Presidential primary election last year, outvoted 2:1, then proceeded to take control of both the party and Joe Biden, who suddenly switched to being a DemoCommie.

Of course, the flip side of that is that the cranky radical Trumplicans took over the party formerly known as the Republican Party and still control it today.

Unfortunately, in the United States today has seen both its major parties commandeered by mindless radicals, such that the vast majority of Americans who reside in the political moderate category are left going WTF? Sad times for America.

Rhs
Reply to  Duane
October 21, 2021 5:33 am

That’s what happens in a strict two party system. The candidate that appeals to lowest common denominator wins. Usually, it’s the one promising free ice cream.

Duane
Reply to  Rhs
October 21, 2021 6:55 am

Actually, this is the first time in American political history since secession in 1860-1861 that radicalism dominated our political system. It’s not inevitable. But what has changed is the rise of social media and politicized major media that promotes radicalism instead of moderation. We’re in uncharted territory now.

ResourceGuy
Reply to  Duane
October 21, 2021 8:20 am

This is the third term of Obama and first term of Bernie. Since they were successful with cheating the CBO cost analysis of major spending bills in the Obama maneuver to pass Obama Care and Nancy’s prior success at cheating stimulus spending with shovel ready promotion and only 5% going to roads and bridges, they now need to press the same tactics to the extreme with deeper warping of CBO analysis and another round of faux infrastructure. What’s going to stop them anyway, a newly informed public or newly unbiased media?

Reply to  Duane
October 21, 2021 12:12 pm

Always interesting to see policies that President Eisenhower – and President Kennedy – would have been completely on board with called “radical.”

Pat from Kerbob
Reply to  writing observer
October 21, 2021 1:03 pm

They would have been on board with Trillions wasted on wind and solar generation?

Duane
Reply to  writing observer
October 21, 2021 1:49 pm

Nope, nope nope. You could not be more wrong. Ike and Kennedy were both dyed-in-the-wool moderates, eschewing both left wing and right wing radicals in each of the parties.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Duane
October 21, 2021 7:07 pm

There are *very* few rightwing radicals in the United States. You probably couldn’t fill a football stadium with all of them. A small football stadium.

Bryan A
Reply to  Tom Abbott
October 21, 2021 10:54 pm

…fill a small Football Stadium … And still maintain mandatory social distancing

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Duker
Reply to  Tom Abbott
October 21, 2021 11:04 pm

The opposite. There’s millions. Look at Europe a conservative like Angela Merkel presides over a country which follows many of Bernie Sanders ideas…that’s where he got them from

ATheoK
Reply to  Duker
October 22, 2021 3:13 pm

A) Those millions in Europe, they’re not right wing anything.
B) Bernie Sanders is very leftwing and a full blown socialist.
C) Merkel is not conservative. She is full blown leftist pushing socialism.
D) Europe is not America.

Tom Abbott’s and Bryan A’s comments are spot on.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  writing observer
October 21, 2021 7:05 pm

Methinks some people don’t understand what radical means.

Gary Pearse
Reply to  Duane
October 21, 2021 3:11 pm

Duane, Trump was successful precisely because he is a traditional American. Nothing particularly new in his policies. Just not fashionable in the last 40yrs. It was mainly an old fashioned agenda that made America the greatest nation in the first place.

Free enterprise, freedom of speech, ownership of property… The US won 383 Nobel Prizes, mostly in Physics and a fair number in economics, showcasing what freedom to do and a light-rein governance can accomplish.

Since the NP has been corrupted by socialist redistribution policies over the past few generations, it no longer is a reliable measure of stature going forward.

A farmer neighbor of mine many years ago told me that our other neighbor had won a Nobel Prize! I bit. -What did he win it for? His reply- They found he was out standing in his field. Ha, ha. But since, it’s been won by Yasser Arafat/Rabin/Peres for peace! Kofi Annan (who presided over the Rwandan affair and whose son was a an Oil For Food fraudster appointed by papa), Obama, who received it as a bribe to put the US might behind the Clime Syndicate plan for world gov. Pachauri, serial rapist who ran IPCC and Al Gore who produced ” Inconvenient Lies”… None of the world’s famous Institutes, Universities, Learned Societies and the like have escaped terminal political corruption.

Trump’s efforts were to reverse all this, at least for America, but the cancer will take more than one term to excise.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Gary Pearse
October 21, 2021 7:09 pm

“Trump was successful precisely because he is a traditional American.”

And you couldn’t get more conservative than Trump on most issues.

Quilter 52
Reply to  Gary Pearse
October 21, 2021 7:48 pm

The Nobel peace prize is a standing joke and is not actually part of the proper Nobel prizes. It is awarded by separate committee as far as I am aware is not funded by Alfred Nobel’s bequest.It is to be ignored whenever possible because it doesn’t actually recognise anything real and as you note in your list above it has been awarded to some particularly dodgy individuals.The main Nobel prizes are physics, chemistry, medicine, literature and economics. There isn’t even a Nobel prize in mathematics. Mathematicians consider the Fields medal as that equivalent.

Duker
Reply to  Gary Pearse
October 21, 2021 11:10 pm

US is a mixed market system, capitalism and socialist together.
Outsiders are amazed at how your cities and states use resources for private businesses. The dairy industry is so highly regulated for economic reasons with a single buyer system..
The internet began the old fashioned way…the government did it, contrast with Wright Bros who found in WW1 the government nationalised their patents.

ATheoK
Reply to  Duane
October 22, 2021 2:52 pm

Radicalism?
President Trump is not radical, nor was his Administration. Unless one counts a President actually doing his job for the benefit of Americans is radical…

It certainly seems so, following the dreary racebaiting lackluster Obummer years where the alleged President spouted nonsense.

Certainly, not to any radical extent matching that of the Kennedys, T. Roosevelt, F.D. Roosevelt, Nixon or the post Civil War years.

Ed Fox
Reply to  Rhs
October 21, 2021 9:00 am

Bernie Sanders is neither Democrat nor Republican yet he heads the most powerful committee in Congress. The massive socialist spending bill is his committee’s creation.

Yet the committee chair is supposed to be drawn from the majority party which would be the Democrats. One set of rules for me and another set for thee.

Poems of our Climate
Reply to  Rhs
October 21, 2021 9:59 am

Stay home, get paid, free rent, free food, free medical. Much more costly than ice cream.

MarkW
Reply to  Poems of our Climate
October 21, 2021 10:24 am

Socialism is a system by which money is taken from those who work, and used to buy the votes of those who don’t want to

Tom Abbott
Reply to  MarkW
October 21, 2021 7:13 pm

Apparently, we have a lot of folks who don’t want to work, and they are able to do so because of government payments. The Democrats want to expand this largesse to as many people as possible in the hope of getting people addicted to government money and Democrats who spread it around.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Duane
October 21, 2021 7:03 pm

“Of course, the flip side of that is that the cranky radical Trumplicans took over the party formerly known as the Republican Party and still control it today.”

Please describe how Trumplicans are radical. What policy of Trump’s would you consider radical?

MarkW
Reply to  High Treason
October 21, 2021 5:33 am

The left doesn’t have arguments, they only have smears. If you oppose them you are racist, anti-Semitic, a white supremicist, or whatever the boogeyman of the day is.

Robert Hanson
Reply to  MarkW
October 21, 2021 2:28 pm

You left out “domestic terrorist”…

October 21, 2021 2:39 am

I wonder they didn’t mention the other biblical plagues 😀

Reply to  Krishna Gans
October 21, 2021 8:55 am

This is not about the Bible. It is about Halloween.

Peta of Newark
Reply to  Curious George
October 21, 2021 9:14 am

‘Halloween’
= All Hallow’s Eve
= The Eve of The Day For Celebrating All The Hallowed Ones

= the day before the day intended to celebrate All (the the known/recognised) Saints

As we know with the same certainty as we know all about the GHGE, all Saints are in fact = Witches
:-O

Which makes good sense as ‘witch’ comes from ‘wicca’ and ‘a wicca’ is
= A Wise Person
is that not what Saints generally were = wise and knowledgable?

funny old world innit, especially when it is now entirely populated by sub-clinical, thus undiagnosed, Austistics

Reply to  Curious George
October 21, 2021 11:06 am

It’s about plagues 😀

Climate believer
Reply to  Krishna Gans
October 21, 2021 11:29 am

The plague of leftist ideology ruining the world.

October 21, 2021 2:48 am

Lack of persistent changes in rainfall is very common, besides South West Western Australia, and Cape Town, the word stasis applies widely, not that you would know that from the shameless exploitation of droughts by the media/academic mafia. Here for example is the rainfall history of Brisbane:

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John_C
Reply to  climanrecon
October 21, 2021 4:42 pm

I see a clear drop, nay a drought, in floods lately. (Not sure how big the ‘dams will never again be full again’ Flannery flood in Brisbane would have been if they had been filled to the usual height)

Bryan A
Reply to  John_C
October 21, 2021 10:59 pm

Now is the time for all responsible governments to come to the aid of their dams…
and do much needed maintenance/repairs while the water is low

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Rod Evans
October 21, 2021 3:02 am

Enjoy those charts while they are in public viewing, because there will be a modification, sorry I mean “adjustment” to the data if it does not support the cult of man made climate change. via our CO2 emittance.

M Courtney
October 21, 2021 3:04 am

In many cases, West Virginia topped the list.

Somewhere has to top the list. The fact that it is a politically sensitive state rather than a geographically unique state is surprising.

Alaska has fewer alternative roads and is more northern (warming is expected to be greater nearer the poles).
Mountains are not unique to W Virginia. They are not tallest there.
Floods from rivers are well known everywhere; does W Virginia have the largest rivers with the largest watersheds?

West Virginia seems to be most remarkable for it’s political sensitivity not it’s physical sensitivity. Methinks we should have another look at that research.

Reply to  M Courtney
October 21, 2021 8:23 am

That “research” is no doubt the typical pseudoscience, hatchet job of the climate scam.

  1. start with a preconceived, desired conclusion to satisfy grant paymasters.
  2. work backwards from that conclusion to reverse-engineer a set of parameters to delivers the conclusions.
  3. ignore problems of degeneracy and unlikelihood as the parameter sets are crafted.
  4. once a parameter set is found, run everything in forward sense, calculate appropriate p values, hacking where needed.
  5. write and publish a manuscript making sure to only show a forward methodology.
  6. collect a grant from an ENGO for the good climate junk science done.
Pamela Matlack-Klein
Reply to  M Courtney
October 21, 2021 11:53 am

Formerly living in both Pennsylvania and Virginia, I am fairly well acquainted with West Virginia. It is in the way when one is heading west from the US east coast. It is actually more difficult to climb over the mountains in West Virginia than the Rockies much farther west because the Appalachians rise directly from sea level while the geography of the US rises gradually to mile-high Denver at the front range. I’ve crossed the Rockies numerous times on Interstate 80 and it is not hard at all. The Rockies are full of passes that were discovered and utilized by the pioneers heading to Oregon territory. A lot of early emigrants were horrified by how hard it was to cross the Appalachians and feared they would never make it over the Rockies; they were pleasantly surprised later on.

I-64 through West Virginia has some really nasty grades, 6-7%, and lots of runaway truck ramps that always look well-used. Not so much on I-80 and I-90 through the Rockies. Even crossing the Sierras into California and the PNW is not as bad as West Virginia.

As for flooding, I can’t seem to recall much about disastrous floods in that poor state. the panhandle section is more flood-prone than the main part of the state, which is mostly vertical.

Joe Gordon
October 21, 2021 3:22 am

Does anyone remember when The New York Times practiced an ancient form of art known as journalism? They did. These days, they have apparently replaced the daily editors’ meeting with a seance and a burnt offering to their gods of pseudoscience.

Ron Long
Reply to  Joe Gordon
October 21, 2021 3:30 am

Joe, I was having the same memory problem re New York Times, so I searched and got “New York Times supports nuclear energy…” articles in April, 2019, and again in April, 2021. Surprising, and maybe accidental, but correct.

OweninGA
Reply to  Ron Long
October 21, 2021 5:36 am

They have done random acts of journalism throughout their propaganda run. That propaganda run dates back to at least the 1910 era. I haven’t looked at it any farther back than that, so I can not vouch for them ever being in the serious news business.

Scissor
Reply to  Joe Gordon
October 21, 2021 4:33 am

Likely a burnt offering duly inhaled.

Derg
Reply to  Joe Gordon
October 21, 2021 5:38 am

Hey they won a Pulitzer Prize for their work on Trump Russia colluuuusion…I wonder where all their sources came from 🤔

MarkW
Reply to  Derg
October 21, 2021 10:27 am

They still haven’t returned their Pulitzer for successfully covering up the Soviet famines.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Derg
October 21, 2021 7:20 pm

The New York Times was rewarded for lying to the American people about the Russia collusion. The New York Times pretended it was real and not a hoax. Make up a false reality, get a Pulitzer Prize.

Reply to  Joe Gordon
October 21, 2021 8:31 am

Bari Weiss’s scathing letter of resignation to the NYT Publisher and Chairman was an event that only the retarded Leftists could ignore. And ignore it they did.

https://www.bariweiss.com/resignation-letter

note: “A.G.” is Arthur Gregg Sulzberger, chairman and publisher at the NYT.

CD in Wisconsin
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
October 21, 2021 10:01 am

Absolutely Joel. Here is an excerpt from her letter to the NYT:

“Twitter is not on the masthead of The New York Times. But Twitter has become its ultimate editor. As the ethics and mores of that platform have become those of the paper, the paper itself has increasingly become a kind of performance space. Stories are chosen and told in a way to satisfy the narrowest of audiences, rather than to allow a curious public to read about the world and then draw their own conclusions. I was always taught that journalists were charged with writing the first rough draft of history. Now, history itself is one more ephemeral thing molded to fit the needs of a predetermined narrative.

My own forays into Wrongthink have made me the subject of constant bullying by colleagues who disagree with my views. They have called me a Nazi and a racist; I have learned to brush off comments about how I’m “writing about the Jews again.” Several colleagues perceived to be friendly with me were badgered by coworkers. My work and my character are openly demeaned on company-wide Slack channels where masthead editors regularly weigh in. There, some coworkers insist I need to be rooted out if this company is to be a truly “inclusive” one, while others post ax emojis next to my name. Still other New York Times employees publicly smear me as a liar and a bigot on Twitter with no fear that harassing me will be met with appropriate action. They never are.”

***********

Truly disgusting behavior toward Ms. Weiss.

Abolition Man
October 21, 2021 3:28 am

The author does a grave disservice to the members of the Church of Climastrology by claiming that they are using witchcraft to further their religious beliefs! They may invoke the climate gods frequently, but this is merely their standard church practice; they don’t sacrifice virgins…yet!
As Jordan Peterson and Michael Schellenberger discussed in the recent interview, many alarmists behave like they are suffering from severe depression! I’m sure that feeling like they are losing the battle would NEVER push them to do something radical, like trying to impede rush hour trains or traffic; or staging agitprop street theater with fake blood!
No, as supremely rational and well educated individuals they will consult their deepest emotions, and then shriek at you for daring to want to live comfortably!

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TonyG
Reply to  Abolition Man
October 21, 2021 8:31 am

The author does a grave disservice to the members of the Church of Climastrology by claiming that they are using witchcraft to further their religious beliefs!

They’re not using witchcraft – it’s too rational…

michel
October 21, 2021 4:01 am

Yes, its the absolutely characteristic and totally irrational argument. You hear it in the UK and Australia too.

It goes:

  • CO2 emissions produce global warming
  • Global warming is causing bad extreme local weather
  • Stop our local CO2 emissions by doing X
  • This will slow down or prevent global warming, or…
  • Opposing X is allowing global warming to continue

The thing that is never said is how much effect X will have on global warming. There is always an implied link to some local condition, whether flooding, drought, heatwaves, fires, which are attributed to global warming.

But its never stated how much doing X will reduce global emissions and especially never stated how much it will reduce warming.

The classic is the current UK program of moving to EVs, hydrogen, wind and solar and heatpumps. It may at best somewhat reduce he UK emissions which are 1% of global emissions. But it will have zero effect on global temperatures, and will have zero effect on any local weather or climate conditions.

Its all over the BBC and the Guardian in the run-up to COP26. You see all the time pictures or clips of weather or other natural disasters, and the implied message is, do all this stuff in the UK and it will avert them happening here.

Its never stated explicitly because the minute you state it the absurdity becomes obvious.

Reply to  michel
October 21, 2021 6:14 am

Going to your first bullet point, they never say (or understand) HOW MUCH of the earth’s warming is due to human generated CO2.

The reporter questioning Mark Morano in the recent post exemplifies this fallacy (which is also imbedded in the “97%” studies she relies on for her “certitude“.)

fretslider
October 21, 2021 4:02 am

Pachauri’s Voodoo science?

Vuk
October 21, 2021 4:24 am

“COP26: Document leak reveals nations lobbying to change key climate report
A huge leak of documents seen by BBC News shows how countries are trying to change a crucial scientific report on how to tackle climate change.
The leak reveals Saudi Arabia, Japan and Australia are among countries asking the UN to play down the need to move rapidly away from fossil fuels.
It also shows some wealthy nations are questioning paying more to poorer states to move to greener technologies.”

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-58982445

Redge
Reply to  Vuk
October 21, 2021 4:40 am

It’s about time nations woke up to the woke

fretslider
Reply to  Redge
October 21, 2021 5:02 am

Justin Rowlatt (on behalf of the BBC) was outraged.

They’ve only just aired the whitewash rehabilitation of Phil Jones.

Duane
October 21, 2021 4:28 am

It’s hilarious that the leftwingnut liberal communist weanies who now control the party once known as the Democratic Party continue threatening Manchin and Sinema who refuse to ensnare the nation in the fatuous dreams of political domination by a small minority of Americans. The only people who can threaten Manchin politically are West Virginians. Ditto with Sinema – only Arizonans can threaten her politically.

It’s also hilarious that the DemoCommies of today claim the mantle of being “for democracy”, yet at the same time insist that a non-majority of the Senate kowtow to the Senate’s minority of DemoCommies, and also insist that Manchin and Sinema blow off the majorities of voters in their states who clearly voted against DemoCommunism, and will continue to do so.

So much for being “for democracy”. The hypocrisy, amplified by the mainstream media, is monstrous, yet typical of the world described by Orwell in Nineteen 84.

Reply to  Duane
October 21, 2021 6:23 am

It has become very clear that the phrase “saving Democracy” is now a catchall that means anything from “Prevent Trump’s election” (Mollie Ball’s January TIME article) to opposing identification on mail in ballots (Jim Crow revisited).

Simply stated anything that promotes the Progressive agenda, no matter how radical, is classified as “saving democracy”.

Duane
Reply to  George Daddis
October 21, 2021 7:01 am

As Orwell clearly wrote in Nineteen 84, dictatorships can only control the People for as long as they control the language and choice of terms, such that up is turned into down, left is turned into right, out is turned into in, and so forth.

You are correct – democracy and defending it are now being redefined by the DemoCommies and their puppies in the mainstream media as “anything that lets us win control”.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Duane
October 21, 2021 10:46 am

Yet people who should know better simply use the altered language without thinking. For example, they use the meaningless term “climate change” when they mean global warming.

Reply to  George Daddis
October 21, 2021 8:55 am

Pretty much anything the Democrat’s say, the opposite is true, or if they are accusing the GOP of something, it is something they are already doing themselves and the compliant media is covering it up for them.

MarkW
Reply to  George Daddis
October 21, 2021 10:30 am

According the leftists that I am familiar, it’s only “Democracy” when they win.
As such, whenever a non-socialist wins, it’s a failure of democracy and the rules need to be adjusted to make sure it never happens again.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  George Daddis
October 21, 2021 7:39 pm

“Simply stated anything that promotes the Progressive agenda, no matter how radical, is classified as “saving democracy”.”

What they are really trying to save is the Progressive(radical) agenda. They are always talking about themselves when they talk about ‘saving Democracy”. They are really trying to save themselves.

Radical Democrats always presume to speak for everyone because they are so delusional they think everyone looks at the world the way they do, with the exception of a small minority. They don’t realize/acknowledge that *they* are the small minority, in reality. They just have the biggest megaphone at the present time. That’s their only advantage, other than their ruthlessness.

Sara
October 21, 2021 4:44 am

OH, NYT wants to get down and nasty, huh? They should be careful what they wish for.

Such things tend to backfire and land right in the laps of the perps.

Zig Zag Wanderer
October 21, 2021 5:26 am

and instead use solar, wind and nuclear energy,

Is it just me, or are the Climate bed-wetters increasingly embracing nuclear power as a option? Is the reality of the complete failure of unreliables becoming too difficult to hide?

Philo
Reply to  Zig Zag Wanderer
October 21, 2021 10:53 am

They better be if they want to stay in office. None of the “Climate Relief” plans have any bearing to the real world- i.d. top of the list CO2. There is no CLEARCUT evidence it is. There isn’t even a little evidence that it has contributed. It is not the “control knob” because there isn’t one. There are many- huge meteor strikes, major earth quakes, a tremendous flare from the sun, and quite a few other things, including glaciations, that cannot be dismissed in geology, seismology, or the infant climate science.

“Climate Change” has not been anywhere but last on any peon’s Important Problem list.

This also applies to the would be “dictators”. One must be careful how that term is used lest it bend someone’s self-image or desired pronouns.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Zig Zag Wanderer
October 21, 2021 7:44 pm

“Is it just me, or are the Climate bed-wetters increasingly embracing nuclear power as a option? Is the reality of the complete failure of unreliables becoming too difficult to hide?”

It’s not just you. The alarmists do seem to be looking more favorably on nuclear power plants. And I do think it is because some people are starting to see the handwriting on the wall and are realizing that windmills are not fit for the task.

Dave Yaussy
October 21, 2021 5:45 am

I live in West Virginia, and am active in politics on the lobbying side. I know Sen. Manchin (that’s not a big deal; it’s a small state and Joe knows everyone.) He is representing what a majority of his people want, and he’s to the left, not the right, of the electorate in this state.

People in this state are not stupid. They know that coal is in decline. But what the left and right coasts don’t seem to get is that we produce a lot of natural gas, coal’s real enemy, too. And both of those energy sources are in huge demand right now, while we’re told that we should stop producing what everyone seems to want.

Long before this, when Harry Reid was Senate leader, and again when McConnel was in power, Joe consistently wanted to debate bills and discuss issues, but both kept a lid on real legislative action. That frustrated Joe. He finally is in a position to make people negotiate, and boy, is he doing that.

Thank you, Joe.

H. D. Hoese
Reply to  Dave Yaussy
October 21, 2021 6:58 am

We went through West Virginia with an RV trailer, mountains steeper than the Rockies. One place in a river valley where we stayed had hookups on posts that were easily removable. In case of flood which they had recently electric receptacle boxes were easy to take out and replace. I had a mountain road guide for Appalachian RVs and truckers which discussed the difficulties with the roads, slopes, escape ramps, curves and sudden appearances of civilization, similar one for the Rockies. The west where we traveled most is on average a little better, but still lots of steep inclines and declines, valleys with floods.

Reply to  Dave Yaussy
October 21, 2021 8:53 am

Manchin needs to declare Independent and align with the Senate GOP caucus. The Senate Dem’s caucus already has two independents, Angus King and Bernie the Commie. Putting McConnel back in charge of the Senate and flipping committee chairs back to GOP, the thunderous slap down of the Sander’s socialism in DC would be epic. The self-declared Socialist would no longer in charge of the Senate Budget committee. That would be especially delicious after the Bernie hit-piece Op-Ed on him was published a few weeks ago in one of your local Democrat PR cageliner rags.

Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
October 21, 2021 9:03 am

You can not achieve this. Only Schumer and Pelosi can.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Dave Yaussy
October 21, 2021 7:52 pm

“Thank you, Joe.”

So far, so good.

Joe Manchin has come out against at least some of the Green New Deal, including being against a CO2 tax, and he is against doing away with the filibuster, and he is against creating an expansion of the welfare state, which is what most of this 3.5 Trillion spending bill is meant to do.

So it looks like Joe Manchin is against most of the really radical things the radical Democrats are trying to push.

Hang in there, Joe Manchin! Save the Republic from the radical Democrats and their socialist agenda.

ResourceGuy
October 21, 2021 6:13 am

Next up: Voodoo dolls mailed to WV households

ResourceGuy
October 21, 2021 6:14 am

I’m reminded of the Twilight Zone episode, Still Valley.

Jim Gorman
October 21, 2021 6:44 am

It is always assumed that “global” warming will incur each point on this globe to be warmed by a similar or worse temperature increase. No variation whatsoever. Now we get the same for extreme weather. All places on the globe will receive worse weather with terrible damage. Except maybe for West Virginia which will receive vastly more destruction because of their Senator. Same for Arizona. I guess I should root for West Virginia and Arizona Senators because they will be receiving some of the destruction I would be experiencing.

ResourceGuy
October 21, 2021 6:56 am
ScienceABC123
October 21, 2021 7:01 am

Well the New York Times believes in unicorns (i.e. climate change solutions), so it’s not a stretch that they also believe in witches.

Reply to  ScienceABC123
October 21, 2021 8:43 am

Richard Lindzen nailed it over a decade ago when he noted that the Left’s and Democrats’ claims about Climate Change were “akin to magic.”

Once the belief in magic set-in, the climate change adherents went down that rabbit hole and the Wonderland they found was nothing but lies piled upon more lies, and beliefs based on nothing but emotions and more beliefs.

Andy Pattullo
October 21, 2021 7:10 am

Let those idiots who say we should abandon use fo fossil fuels and only rely on wind and solar energy do so themselves. Let them build as many solar and wind farms as they desire, but they must not use fossil fuels to mine the materials, do the manufacturing, install the devices, connect them to the grid, maintain them throughout their brief lifespan and then decommission and recycle them into harmless materials friendly to the environment. Show us the way – lead by example.

DMacKenzie
Reply to  Andy Pattullo
October 21, 2021 7:43 am

Careful what you wish for….so far they are doing it with YOUR tax dollars….and it will take a lot more to do it the way you suggest….

Reply to  Andy Pattullo
October 21, 2021 8:39 am

Climate change policy is only for us Little People. They, the enlightened Liberals who thiunk of themselves as our Betters, have no intention of letting the climate scam throttle their lifestyles of the rich and famous.

Abolition Man
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
October 21, 2021 12:59 pm

Joel,
Tucker Carlson just came out with a special about the unREliable wind industry called “Blown Away…” It’s a shallow little ripple on the surface of the Matrix, but it seems like the narrative is beginning to shift!
He’s a populist and a classical Liberal, but he’s got a fair sized audience that is open to seeing the unREliables market as being a mix of corrupt politicians and the super wealthy inflicting the pain of wind power on the poor and out-of-favor!
Is this connected to the increasing hysteria of the alarmists? One can only hope that the forecast cold winter and the global shortages due to lockdowns and mandates will mobilize public opinion to put CAGW theory where it belongs: the trash can!

Hoyt Clagwell
Reply to  Andy Pattullo
October 21, 2021 9:01 am

I would rather see a federal law requiring windmills to be entirely manufactured, installed, and maintained using only wind power. Likewise, solar farms should be limited to using only solar power for their creation, installation, and maintenance. That would put an end to this nonsense pronto.

AGW is Not Science
Reply to  Andy Pattullo
October 21, 2021 9:39 am

Some surgery to make this really work.

  • They can only build them in their own backyard and not within earshot or sight of anyone who doesn’t support the stupidity;
  • They have to pay for them themselves, and they have to maintain their own separate grid that receives power from no other sources;
  • The same “rules” about not using fossil fuels should apply to everything else as well – grow their own food, walk as “transport,” sew their own clothing from cotton they grow and weave into cloth by hand, etc.
John the Econ
October 21, 2021 7:31 am

They’ll evoke Witchcraft if they don’tget their way? More deep proclamations from the people of “Science!”.

Reply to  John the Econ
October 21, 2021 8:37 am

Climate modeling is the Left’s form of witchcraft. Eye of newt, tail of bat, and other organic ingredients are wholesome compared to the excrement that modellers put into their served-up for public consumption brew.

Neo
October 21, 2021 8:08 am

… is opposed to its most important provision that would compel utilities to stop burning oil, coal and gas and instead use solar, wind and nuclear energy, which …

I can’t believe they actually endorsed the idea of more nuclear energy.
I can believe that this is probably one of those things were the “authorize” but never “fund”.

Reply to  Neo
October 21, 2021 8:35 am

It’s typical two-faced lying. The libtards invoke nuclear when they need to for PR, then categorically reject it when speaking to their own base and working on actual policy

October 21, 2021 8:16 am

Did the NYT threaten to get Manchin’s little dog too?
https://youtu.be/OQ_g6NOo7yo

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Ed Fox
October 21, 2021 8:35 am

Temperatures will rise and cause bad things to happen. That is Climate Science.

However when you adjust temperatures that has no effect on bad things.

So in a way temperature adjustments are disproving Climate Science.

AGW is Not Science
Reply to  Ed Fox
October 21, 2021 9:41 am

Reality check for the Climate Fascists: FALLING, not rising, temperatures will cause the weather to get worse. That is the true irony of their bullshit – they have convinced people that black is white.

Ed Fox
October 21, 2021 8:52 am

It started with 24 hr a day continual newscasts. The problem was there wasn’t enough news to fill the day.

So editorials were used to fill the gap. Instead of “Walter, tell us what is happening” we ended up with “So Walter, tells us how you feel about what is happening”.

Facts are thus irrelevant because your feelings are always “true” regardless of whether you have your facts straight.

Ed Fox
October 21, 2021 9:50 am

A modern solar panel produces almost enough energy in its lifetime to manufacture a replacement panel without any surplus to actually power the grid.

Climate Scientists are not Engineers. They have no practical experience in designing solutions.

October 21, 2021 10:21 am

WV is entirely mountainous so it is likely more flood prone than any other state. Mountains concentrate the water in the narrow valleys where people mostly live, it being build able flat ground. In fact I live there. This is of course irrelevant since AGW is false.

But the answer to droughts and floods, however caused, is more reservoirs. Greens hate them so they are not on the table even though they are predicting lots more droughts and floods. More big green hypocrisy!

Caligula Jones
October 21, 2021 10:27 am

Well, the Venn diagram of those who chant on about following “DA SCIENCE!” for everything, and those who are into witchcraft is a circle.

And by witchcraft I mean anything such as astrology, auras, angels, chiropractic, homeopathy, traditional Chinse medicine (paid for by our tax dollars here in Canada, BTW), etc….

Hell our Prime Minstrel Sock Boy cups…(look it up, but don’t say I didn’t warn you…”

Robert of Texas
October 21, 2021 10:31 am

If there are any floods in West Virginia, they should sue the New York Times for damages caused by their witchcraft…in these days and times there are bound to be liberal judges out there who believe in such things.

beng135
October 21, 2021 11:46 am

Is there any argument that might convince this guy to get with the program?

Obviously they’ll make him an offer he can’t refuse.

ResourceGuy
October 21, 2021 12:10 pm

Let me know when the NYT erases WV from their maps.

ResourceGuy
October 21, 2021 12:13 pm

Better send out more security teams to the dams in the state. We wouldn’t want a woke event to occur in helping predictions along.

ResourceGuy
October 21, 2021 12:19 pm

And there shall come such a flood and devastation that ye shall know the hand of Gaia and let thy votes go. So let it be written in the NYT…and hopefully nowhere else.

ResourceGuy
October 21, 2021 1:06 pm

Here is another scary thing…..

Biggest U.S. grid changes rules to shore up coal supply as winter approaches (yahoo.com)

After years of shutting coal plants to reduce carbon dioxide and other emissions, U.S. energy companies have cut coal stockpiles at power plants to just 84.6 million short tons in September, their lowest in a month since March 1978, according to federal data.
By the middle of the winter, the federal government projected coal power plant stockpiles will collapse to 62.7 million short tons in February, the lowest on record, according to data going back to 1973.

Steve Z
October 22, 2021 8:27 am

Maybe we need another witch hunt at the New York Slimes. They’re good at it!

To the global warm-mongers, CO2 is the witch whose “spells” are always weaker than predicted. Senator Manchin doesn’t have to worry about floods in West Virginia any more than he did when he was Governor. The warm-mongers have no more control over the weather in West Virginia than anyone else.

West Virginia is a good bellwether in the battle between the global-warming scaremongers and the coal industry. Most of the coal miners are union members, and traditionally labor unions have supported Democrats as the party of the “little guy” against the “robber baron” corporations (as portrayed by the Democrats).

Bill Clinton carried West Virginia in the elections of 1992 and 1996, and both WV Senators were Democrats at the time. In the late 1990’s, then-Vice President Al Gore came out with his global-warming scare “Earth in the Balance”, and campaigned on reducing CO2 emissions to “save the planet”.

During the extremely close election of 2000, most of the attention focused on Florida, but what was less discussed at the time was the revolt of West Virginia’s coal miners against Al Gore’s agenda–George W. Bush carried West Virginia and its 5 electoral votes, without which Al Gore would have become President.

Since 2000, West Virginia has voted for all Republican Presidential candidates (by increasing margins), as Democrat candidates John Kerry, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, and Joe Biden have all attacked the coal industry in their campaigns (and in office for Obama and Biden).

Joe Manchin was elected Governor of West Virginia in 2004, and has always defended the coal industry. He was then elected to the U.S. Senate in 2010, and re-elected in 2016 (by a smaller margin) as a Democrat. He was in the Senate minority between 2015 and 2020, and sometimes sided with Republicans on energy issues, although his vote didn’t matter then.

In the meantime, Republican Shelley Moore Capito was elected to WV’s other Senate seat in 2014, and was re-elected in 2020 with nearly 70% of the vote.

Joe Manchin may be a Democrat, but he’s not stupid. He knows that supporting legislation that would crush the coal industry in West Virginia would be political suicide, and he’s up for re-election next year. He is more afraid of West Virginia voters than of witches at the New York Times, and hopefully has the spine to stand up to the warm-mongers to the bitter end.

October 22, 2021 9:56 am

If witchcraft doesn’t work, you could always try radioactive hybrid terror pigs:

Radioactive hybrid terror pigs break out of nuclear hellscape home and into people’s hearts • The Register

Jim Whelan
October 23, 2021 1:21 pm

so-called 100-year flood — a flood that statistically has a 1 percent chance of happening in any given year

This implies it only happens every 100 years worldwide. That’s false, the 100 years is realtive to a spefcific flood plain or watershed. Given the thousands of watersheds worldwide you can actually expect several 100 year floods every year soemwhere in the world!

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