Weather vs. Alarmism

Brief Note by Kip Hansen — 20 October 2021

Channel 4, a British free-to-air public-service television network, sent a three-person TV crew to the Heartland Institutes’ 14th International Conference on Climate Change held this last weekend in Las Vegas, Nevada. I met and spoke with the two journalists. It took me less than ten seconds to realize that they had been sent to gather material for a scurrilous hit job piece on the conference. And that is exactly what they did.

The news clip (well, really just bit of video-climate-alarmism masquerading as journalism) exposes the featured Channel 4 reporter when, instead of asking questions and reporting the answers, her role is shown to be arguing for the alarmist viewpoint on camera.

I only mention this because the Smoking Gun of Climate Disaster in the broadcast news clip was Lake Mead, with its lowest water level “ever”.

The weather almost never co-operates . . . ask any sailor.

Atmospheric river storms to soak Bay Area, Northern California — biggest in 9 months

“Three successive storms will surge in from the Pacific Ocean this week, forecasters said Tuesday, bringing what may be the most rain in nine months to drought-stricken Northern California and offering a promising start to winter after two years marked by record wildfires and dry conditions.

Two of those storms look like atmospheric rivers — narrow, moisture-rich storms that play a critical role in the state’s water supply. The first, which was set to arrive late Tuesday night and continue into Wednesday morning, is likely to be a moderate storm. But another big one shaping up for Sunday night was upgraded to a category 5 on Tuesday, the highest in a five-level scale.

“On average Northern California might get 1 or 2 of those a year,” said Marty Ralph, director of the Center for Western Weather and Water Extremes at UC San Diego. “We are looking at prolonged rain and some heavy rain.”

The storms will dramatically reduce fire danger across Northern California, possibly all but ending it in some places. But they could also cause a risk of mudslides in some burned areas, particularly the Dixie Fire near Mount Lassen and the Caldor Fire near South Lake Tahoe.”

The last time California and the American Southwest had such an event was January 2021.

This new series of storms are predicted to drop up to two feet of snow in the high Sierras. 2017, which was the wettest year on record in much of California, also began with a series of similar soaking storms soaking in October. The incoming storms are predicted to be so serious, bring so much water and snow, that CalTrans has closed Highway 1 through the Big Sur area.

The weather is on our side and will help to debunk the Channel 4 nonsense.

This one series of three or four storms will not, of course, refill Lake Mead to historic levels, but a they are a good start to a wet winter for the parched and fire-scarred American West.

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John Tillman
October 20, 2021 10:07 am

Governor Noisome just declared a drought emergency. The Algore Snowman Effect in action.

J Mac
Reply to  John Tillman
October 20, 2021 10:25 am

Do not feed the troll below.

John Tillman
Reply to  J Mac
October 20, 2021 12:37 pm

OK. I resisted the urge.

Reply to  John Tillman
October 20, 2021 8:16 pm

I did too. It’s not even the voices in his head, it’s the voices in other people’s heads.

Reply to  John Tillman
October 20, 2021 11:48 am

Droughts are real, not figments of liberal imaginations. They can be severe, and last for years at a time. But they always end, and then we have very wet years in between droughts. The prevailing wind patterns and ocean currents, both warm and cold, are what create the drought/non-drought cycle. Remember it was but a couple years ago Californians were worried sick about dams over topping due to high basin precipitation.

Weather in the Pacific Southwest is really a boom and bust cycle … it seems to be always one or the other, as compared to the eastern half of the nation.

Reply to  Duane
October 20, 2021 9:56 pm

so is the la nina which is providing the rains

John Tillman
Reply to  John Tillman
October 20, 2021 1:07 pm

Flooding in Venice blamed on “climate change”. Of course.

John Tillman
Reply to  Kip Hansen
October 20, 2021 4:03 pm

CA is famous for intermittent gully washers, as opposed to the western PNW, where it puckers up and drools for nine months every year.

Reply to  Kip Hansen
October 20, 2021 4:04 pm

I’ll get concerned when we have another year like 1862, when Confederate scouts were convinced they had sighted the Pacific – from just north of Tucson.

But unless that map is expected to push quite a bit further east, it’s not going to do very much for the Colorado River watershed. I only see a couple of light fingers even getting into the Upper Basin. (May break the severe drought around the Great Salt Lake, though.)

Gunga Din
Reply to  Kip Hansen
October 20, 2021 4:18 pm

Is this drought one the “permanent droughts” to be ended by “permanent flooding” that Moonbeam told us about?
(Or do I have the warnings backwards?)

Reply to  Kip Hansen
October 20, 2021 8:22 pm

Well I think it’s the 4th or 5th drought here since I moved to the Bay Area in 1980. This wasn’t as severe as at least two of those.

I have to ask though – wasn’t the La Nina prolongs Western State’s drought(s) supposedly a nailed-on prediction?

Reply to  Kip Hansen
October 21, 2021 3:59 pm

Thanks Kip.

Reply to  Kip Hansen
October 21, 2021 7:35 am

I grew up in SoCal – what I remember is that drought was one of the normal states of the state…

October 20, 2021 10:16 am

But those storms are of that intensity thanks to warming!

I suppose you’ll be arguing that California on average doesn’t have a drought, since the extreme rain at on end of the year somehow balances the heat, drought and fires through the rest of it.

and tell me, who finances Heartland?

Reply to  griff
October 20, 2021 10:22 am

But those storms are of that intensity thanks to warming!

You have some (any!) evidence for that? No, silly of me to ask.

John Tillman
Reply to  Kip Hansen
October 20, 2021 6:12 pm

Pineapple Express.

Reply to  griff
October 20, 2021 10:27 am

and tell me, who finances Heartland?

The question is rather irrelevant 😀
Who finances the IPCC ? 😀

Robert Hanson
Reply to  Krishna Gans
October 22, 2021 1:39 pm

And the Sierra Club, and the WWF.

And Hunter Biden for that matter….

Reply to  griff
October 20, 2021 10:28 am

Were the floods of 1862 when Sacramento was abandoned because California’s central valley was a lake caused by warming too? You forgot to mention that.

And tell me, who financed the Donner party?

Reply to  griff
October 20, 2021 10:31 am

‘Researchers said today that Northern California has been inundated with 89.7 inches of precipitation already this winter, surpassing 1983’s 88.5 inches for the full water year (ending in September) to make this the wettest full water year in recorded history in this key region. The nearly 90 inches is the combination of rain and the liquid equivalent of snow that has fallen.
“It’s a 34-year-old record that’s been broken,” said Dr. F. Martin (Marty) Ralph, Director of the Center for Western Water and Weather Extremes (CW3E) at Scripps Institution of Oceanography at the University of California San Diego.’
Apr 13, 2017

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G Mawer
Reply to  CapitalistRoader
October 20, 2021 3:10 pm

My part of northern Calif. received 110 inches that year.

Reply to  griff
October 20, 2021 10:37 am

What warming ?
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Reply to  Krishna Gans
October 20, 2021 12:32 pm

This certainly looks different than a few years ago.

John Tillman
Reply to  Krishna Gans
October 20, 2021 1:21 pm

Return of the Blob and La Niña.

Reply to  John Tillman
October 20, 2021 2:05 pm

Yeah, and the Pacifc part where the rainstorm comes from is colder than average, right ?
What says griffy ?
But those storms are of that intensity thanks to warming!

John Tillman
Reply to  Krishna Gans
October 20, 2021 4:05 pm

Cold water is due to warming. Floods, droughts, extreme wind, extreme calm, extreme heat, extreme cold, all because of humanities evil emissions, leading to global warming and climate change.

John Tillman
Reply to  John Tillman
October 21, 2021 6:12 am

Humanity’s. Dreaded autofill strikes again. And writer inattention.

Mr Wizard
Reply to  Krishna Gans
October 20, 2021 7:21 pm

Look at all that cold ocean water off the west coast of the US, that would really affect rainfall in California! Wait stop, it’s climate change 🙂

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Ron Long
Reply to  griff
October 20, 2021 10:38 am

Capitalism finances Heartland. Not Big Brother, not Socialism, and certainly not Communism. Capitalism also finances me. I wonder what finances you?

Reply to  Ron Long
October 20, 2021 10:57 am

 I wonder what finances you?

His mother?

Reply to  MarkW
October 20, 2021 8:27 pm

…. or his mother’s mattress.

Reply to  griff
October 20, 2021 10:56 am

Ah yes, storms that are within historical standards are this time caused by CO2 because they are stronger than last year.

The question is not, why do some people treat you rudely, it’s why anyone doesn’t.

Make the same stupid remarks over and over again.
Use innuendo instead of data to attack those who disagree with you.

You have long since worn out any expectation of civility.

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Dave Yaussy
Reply to  griff
October 20, 2021 10:57 am

Who finances Heartland? Not Big Oil or fossil fuels, as you are implying. They have given up, knowing they don’t need to finance the activities of sites like this, or Heartland. More importantly, they know that just by donating, they’d be killing the very independent sites providing reliable information about climate change.

Who provides support for the Sierra Club? When they were attacking coal, they gladly accepted money from gas interests, until SC turned on them. And the rest of the time, they are taking money from foundations and other groups whose reason for existence, and the source of their relevance, is pushing the CAGW, anti-development cause.

For some reason, society questions the integrity of those who oppose CAGW if they could possibly gain financially from economic development and energy production. We don’t question the motives of the people who run the Sierra Club and other NGOs, who greatly value the power and attention they get from attacking those same interests. But we should.

We at this site are involved because we care about truth getting out, not because we profit. My Dad was a Methodist minister. He got paid to preach the gospel. But he didn’t believe the Gospel because he was paid.

Reply to  Dave Yaussy
October 20, 2021 11:56 am

When it comes to money and financing, and what all that fossil fuel money buys, I always answer a question like griff’s with another question:

1] How many climate satellites do these Heartland skeptics own?

2] What climate model did Anthony Watts develop? And is the super computer located in Anthony’s basement?

3] How many faculty positions & how much grant money do these skeptics have?

4] Can you show me the research publications that all of these well funded skeptics produce?

5] What temperature station monitoring network does WUWT control?

Etc, etc, etc …


Any of these questions will reveal where the money lies and what side is prone to the temptations of corruption.

“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.” ― Upton Sinclair

*Given the success the alarmists attribute to Heartland & WUWT, in derailing the global CAGW movement, I would hope that the CIA is studying it as the greatest, most successful, most economical “asymmetrical” propaganda organization/effort ever conceived. /sarc (lol)

Reply to  Anon
October 20, 2021 8:33 pm

The left always projects onto the right what the left is guilty of.

Pamela Matlack-Klein
Reply to  Dave Yaussy
October 21, 2021 1:22 am

The Audubon Society is just as bad. They say nothing about all the birds that are killed by wind turbines. They also happily accept bribes to stop protesting development. Back in the ’80s they were gung ho against a development in the upper Keys in Florida but folded like a cheap suit when the developer had a heart-to-heart with the local chapter head. The lack of integrity shown by these NGOs should bother people but they all seem to get a pass.

Reply to  griff
October 20, 2021 11:09 am

Ah another data/evidence free claim shows up which as usual shows you have nothing of substance to offer here.

Droughts is a natural feature of the Western states which you wouldn’t know since you live thousands of miles away from America.

G Mawer
Reply to  Sunsettommy
October 20, 2021 3:16 pm

Yes, cycles.This year Oroville dam is historically low. A few years back it was over loaded and nearly failed there was so much rain.

Reply to  griff
October 20, 2021 11:23 am

Make up your mind, we have been lectured that global warming means hotter and drier. Blaming rain on global warming does not make any sense.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Mikey
October 20, 2021 2:06 pm

Alarmists blame everything that happens on Global Warming. It’s what you call a “knee-jerk” reaction.

Reply to  Tom Abbott
October 20, 2021 3:39 pm

Yeah, they even blamed global warming for climate change. But then , it didn’t warm for 18 years so they blamed climate change on itself.

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Reply to  griff
October 20, 2021 11:35 am

Griff, I lived in California for nearly fifty years, and this sort of weather pattern is entirely normal.
As you are the one making an extraordinary claim, it is your obligation to provide extraordinary proof.

Reply to  griff
October 20, 2021 11:36 am

But those storms are of that intensity thanks to warming!”

And you say that based on no proof whatsoever. You’re saying that these storms wouldn’t exist without human caused climate change? Guess what, they’ve been happening for a very very long time, pre-SUV even. Show me the proof that the intensity of the storms in due to warming, and then show me that the warming is due to manmade CO2. If you can do that, you certainly should be able to predict climate in the next 5 years, since you understand the climate so fully. Yet you can’t.

Do you know what an average is? “average” does not mean normal. It’s a mean. “Normal” for California is drought with intermittent bursts of precipitation. But with you disingenuous activistists, it’s: no rain? must be climate change. Too much rain? it’s climate change! Learn a little about California climate history before beclowning yourself. You’re not dealing with leftist sycophant sheep here that believe what they are told without question.

Oh and financing? Come on. So weak, such an early 2000s argument. “ooooh, the big oil boogieman is funding all this evil propaganda!” Yeah right, oil companies are one of many profiteering now on your fraudulent boogieman story. Oil companies, green energy companies, banks, insurance companies, the UN, enviro groups, Soros, and more, they are all funding your side. The money is all on the alarmist side, and you know it.

History will not be kind to you people, pushing this narrative purely for evil political purposes: to push socialism, world governance, weaken the US, and destroy the capitalist system that created the wealth needed to support all the leaches on society such as yourself.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  WR2
October 20, 2021 2:09 pm

“And you say that based on no proof whatsoever.”

Griff does make unsubstantiated assertions all the time. The reason he offers no proof of his assertions is because there is no proof of his assertions. So all he can do is assert. And then run away.

Reply to  WR2
October 21, 2021 5:32 am

Thanks for the great post WR2!

Reply to  griff
October 20, 2021 11:54 am

Hi Grifo
Here is something I expect you to remember and quote in the future, rather than behaving as a ‘barmpot’
The Great Flood of 1862 was the largest flood in the recorded history of OregonNevada, and California, occurring from December 1861 to January 1862. It was preceded by weeks of continuous rains and snows in the very high elevations that began in Oregon in November 1861 and continued into January 1862. This was followed by a record amount of rain from January 9–12, and contributed to a flood that extended from the Columbia River southward in western Oregon, and through California to San Diego, and extended as far inland as Idaho in the Washington TerritoryNevada and Utah in the Utah Territory, and Arizona in the western New Mexico Territory. The event dumped an equivalent of 10 feet (3.0 m) of rainfall in California, in the form of rain and snow, over a period of 43 days.
 Immense snowfalls in the mountains of the far western North America caused more flooding in Idaho, Arizona, New Mexico, as well as in Baja California and Sonora, Mexico the following spring and summer, as the snow melted.
source: Wikipedia

John Tillman
Reply to  Vuk
October 20, 2021 1:27 pm

Floods are an ordinary feature of life in the West. Columbia River floods are less common now than when my ancestors arrived in Oregon in 1852, thanks to the dams so hated by “environ-mentalists”.

Even when Bonneville and Grand Coulee Dams already existed, this still happened in 1948, a memorable flood year in my area of NE Oregon as well:

Crispin Pemberton-Pigott
Reply to  Vuk
October 20, 2021 1:42 pm

120″ of rain is more than 89″ of rain. So before there was any man-made global warming occurred the greatest measured rainfall in California. And in only 6 weeks, not a year.

At the time, California was not a USA state. The damage was so severe it bankrupted the State itself and they sought financial refuge in the Union.

Sound familiar? Strike an independent stance and when the going gets tough, run to the mommy with the purse.

John Tillman
Reply to  Crispin Pemberton-Pigott
October 20, 2021 4:08 pm

California joined the Union in 1850. Both Oregon (1859) and CA were states in 1862. Both had a lot of Southern sympathizers. CA had a slave code. The student militia cadets at what became Oregon State U. wore grey uniforms, and not in imitation of West Point. Some counties were Democrat, some Republican.

Reply to  griff
October 20, 2021 11:57 am

You first

Reply to  griff
October 20, 2021 12:40 pm


Here is an article written in 1889, entitled EXCEPTIONAL YEARS: A HISTORY OF CALIFORNIA FLOODS AND DROUGHT, describing the history of California’s climate during the time of settlement, with a focus on 1811-1894.

You may note that torrential rain and flooding took place continuously during that period, punctuated only by incessant and deadly drought. In other words, the idea that recent weather in California is somehow exceptional is very easily belied simply by reading the observations of people who lived in the past. Weather today, if anything, seems mild in comparison. I certainly don’t recall the Sacramento Valley, for instance, being turned into a vast, inland sea, as it was during the great California flood of 1861-62.

It may be fun to imagine that something special and exciting is happening to the weather today. A basic knowledge of history, however, shows clearly that it is not.


Jim Gorman
Reply to  Reacher51
October 21, 2021 7:27 am

You must remember their thermometers and rain gauges had immense errors and need to homogenized with gauges in the midwest or Mexico. /sarc

Reply to  griff
October 20, 2021 12:49 pm

I don’t normally feed the troll, but Griff never reads or cogently replies anyway. However, for others’ edification, I must note that he/she/it has just demonstrated the new alarmist script. So I will repeat a comment I just made today on the topic of “Why are People so Climate Nonchalant?”

Lack of public interest and repeated failed predictions is what has led to the new strategy of the warmistas — claim that extreme weather is all due to climate change. They know that people can sense or understand weather, so they can use their bogus “attribution science” (cough) to scare the public. Almost all of the recent propaganda includes claims that the dire effects of climate change are here and we are already suffering. I have even noticed a remarkable change in Griff’s drive-by comments. Almost every post from him/her/it harps on floods, rains, droughts, etc.

So, right on cue, enter Griff with the expected “thanks to warming” comment.

Of course, there is no valid scientific basis for alleged weather attribution with respect to climate change, and furthermore, “extreme” weather claims are almost always made out of context. Frankly, I suggest that we scrupulously avoid using the word “extreme” with regard to weather events, because it leaves the impression of an event being somehow “unprecedented,” another favorite meme of the lunatic fringe.

climate believer
Reply to  griff
October 20, 2021 12:56 pm

“and tell me, who finances Heartland?”

What if you found out that British Petroleum were sponsoring Heartland? (there not)

you know, the company behind the UK’s biggest EV charging network….what then?

Cognitive dissonance….does not compute!….does not compute!… exterminate!

Tim Gorman
Reply to  griff
October 20, 2021 2:30 pm


Much of CA is considered to be semi-arid desert. Semi-arid deserts have droughts, that’s part of the definition of a semi-arid desert. And it *does* balance out. It’s why desert flowers bloom at the end of a drought. It’s one reason why hikers are always cautioned to be careful when camping because of flash floods in gullies and washes. How do you think the gullies and washes got there in the first place?

All you do with these kinds of comments is show your utter and total ignorance about the variations to be found around the globe. Do you have even a single iota of knowledge about the ecosystem in the Nile River valley?

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Loren Wilson
Reply to  griff
October 20, 2021 4:13 pm

Griff, drought by definition is an annual total compared to the long-term average. It matters not to the drought index if the rain falls in April or November. This has been the normal cycle for California for thousands of years. Dry years and wet years, lots of fires, plenty of hot summers. No climate model can actually show that its getting worse due to a small increase in the average temperature. I’ll tell you who finances Heartland. Who finances you?

Reply to  griff
October 20, 2021 4:41 pm

The American Southwest has been drought-prone for millennia. Shall we blame the droughts in 1090 and 1130 that wiped out the Anasazi on CO2? There is no evidence that recent droughts are worse than the ones a thousand years ago. How do we know that? Because atmospheric rivers still come and deluge us with new snow and rain and fill our reservoirs after a few years. Oh, and people don’t starve to death. One or two or five dry years doesn’t amount to a trend. Of course due to the vagaries of nature, some years will be record-breaking. But that’s not a trend. Knowing the regional climate of the southwest is subject to extended periods of drought should inspire rational leaders to safeguard and improve water storage. But the current leadership of California has demonstrated that it’s not particularly rational.

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Reply to  griff
October 20, 2021 5:35 pm

Griff thinks he throws a large damaging grenade & runs, but they’re duds. Very rarely does Griff return with any further replies (fewer with any evidence) to the arguments that oppose/disprove his statements (those with evidence). Instead of proving AGW/CC, all Griff does is demonstrate the stupidity of pro-AGW/CC arguments & the mass inability to participate in any logical & sensible scientific debates. Obviously, far too many people these days are taught what to think, not how to think.

There are many people/media/experts/celebrities I only agree with SOME of what they say, I don’t trust anyone to be always right. A past mistake doesn’t dictate all future statements will be incorrect. Likewise, past correct statements don’t indicate all future statements will be correct. There’s trends & tendencies but I reserve the rite to make up my own opinion based on the available information & evidence. I may change my opinion at any time as new information/evidence is found/presented.

I wish giff all the best in the future but it’s a pity these debates become polarising & 1 sided. If griff stuck around to read more, griff would learn more.

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Pat from kerbob
Reply to  griff
October 20, 2021 9:15 pm


Mike Sexton
Reply to  griff
October 21, 2021 12:57 am

Show us the SEC filings from big oil and gas that supposedly finance them and or any other anti CAGW groups
We will be waiting

Reply to  griff
October 21, 2021 2:30 am

Here you go Griff (Barry)
Heartland funding

Reply to  griff
October 21, 2021 2:31 am

Here is some information about Michael Mann’s site 
RealClimate, funded by unwilling taxpayers and run during work hours by Gavin Schmidt, Michael Mann, William Connolley, etc., and funded by George Soros through Fenton Communications. Climateprogress, funded by George Soros’ string puppet Joe Romm, etc. And the new “Climategate Chairman,” funded by the heavily pro-AGW Grantham Foundation.  
Compared to the little donations WUWT receive 

Ian Magness
October 20, 2021 10:18 am

As a Brit I bury my head in my hands with embarrassment at this sort of totally biased and ignorant reporting that has become so commonplace in the British media. The BBC and Sky News were the leaders and now the likes of Channel 4 and ITV have taken up the cause. Now that the staggering and unaffordable costs of BoJo’s insane net zero strategies are starting to be openly discussed, at least there is beginning to be some debate in the UK about all this. Discussion of the flaky science that underlies those energy and transport policies, however, still seems to be way off and people like this reporter seem to think that they have the full moral authority to come straight out to talk down to you as if you are an idiot and call you names like “denier”. We have a very long way to go.

Jay Willis
Reply to  Ian Magness
October 20, 2021 11:13 am

It is an embaressment. But really I think it has gone too far. In the past I have had problems convincing people who don’t care about climate change that there is bias. But when you get a report like that – where clearly people are cut off before they can answer her question, anybody can see the truth, and anyone can see. It is a real embaressment and sadness to a british person, as channel 4 used to be a good source of news.

Reply to  Ian Magness
October 20, 2021 1:06 pm

The “debate” is only because:

1) BoJo led Brexit and thus is evil.
2) BoJo is a Conservative.

If neither of those were true they would be falling over themselves to push his visionary policies.

October 20, 2021 10:23 am

Well said, Kip! Enjoyed meeting and talking with you at Heartland’s 14th International Conference on Climate Change last weekend.

October 20, 2021 10:24 am

California children won’t even know what rain is.

October 20, 2021 10:28 am

Next up: Mudslides are the greatest ever!!

Crispin Pemberton-Pigott
Reply to  ResourceGuy
October 20, 2021 2:19 pm

Al Gore invented mudslides.

J Mac
October 20, 2021 10:29 am

‘Climate change’ caused the Cali droughts just as ‘climate change’ is causing the incoming rain storms, according to the Alarmists. They remain deceitfully oblivious to the historical records of both phenomena being absolutely typical for California.

October 20, 2021 10:34 am

The reporters found a way to escape energy policy disaster in their own country.

We host all kinds.
Alleged transit rapist was in U.S. illegally but protected from deportation: Report – Washington Times

Reply to  ResourceGuy
October 20, 2021 10:39 am

Diversity ain’t all that it’s touted to be.

Don Perry
October 20, 2021 10:44 am

Now these California morons should leave the water in the reservoirs where it belongs instead of dumping it into the oceans.

Mumbles McGuirck
October 20, 2021 10:47 am

“There are none so blind as those who do not see.”
I watched the Channel 4 piece in amazement. She ‘interviews’ Marc Morano and won’t let him speak or make his point, but argues with him. She also dismisses him as a “self-styled environmental reporter”. I didn’t realize you needed her imprimatur to be an environmental reporter. But when she Skype’s with the British woman from the Institute for Strategic Dialog, she politely listens and does not interrupt or dispute her. This is a reporter??
Another propagandistic point, notice how the videographer focuses on the older, white men in the audience? In the long shot, you’ll see there are females and younger people there too. All that was missing was ‘B’ roll of steam coming out of smokestacks.

Tony Sullivan
October 20, 2021 10:49 am

The closer we get to COP = the ever increasing amount of propaganda. It’s been coming in spades over the last 30 days or so. I suspect it will die down post-COP, and if we’re lucky, it’ll be the first steps towards the complete death of all this nonsense.

Reply to  Tony Sullivan
October 20, 2021 11:11 am

The media ad placements are rivaling the build up to the Obama Paris Agreement with pay-to-play agenda news.

Dr Ken Pollock
October 20, 2021 11:10 am

I saw the report and was vaguely disgusted, if not surprised. Sadly, it seems that any extreme weather event is taken as indicative of a major change – climate change – when the reporters rarely, if ever, look at weather records going back over decades.
See Professor Mann’s new book “The New Climate War” and my 1 star review on Amazon. Like the C4 reporter, a single weather event is “unprecedented”, meaning “I have not heard of anything like it, and I am not going to look at the records because they might undermine my pre-determined position”.
Let us hope there are enough contrarian voices that will query these simplistic conclusions.
How nice to see the Heartland Institute featured. Who funds it? I think we know, but who funds C4 and the BBC – we Brits all do! Is that a guarantee of objectivity and truth? Sadly no!

October 20, 2021 11:44 am

Actually, the water levels in Lake Mead have relatively little to do with precipitation in California, most of which drains directly to the Pacific Ocean, they are determined by two factors:

1) The sum total of the winter snowpack in the Colorado Rockies on the western side of the continental divide and east of the Sierra Nevada, which is mostly unrelated to snowfall or rainstorms in California or Nevada. The more snowpack the higher the flows in the Colorado River.

2) Consumptive water withdrawals from the Colorado River basin, which is why Lake Meade exists at all, to provide water storage. Generally, even though population has grown dramatically over the last few decades, the consumptive water usage in the Colorado basin has been more or less stable due to conversion of irrigated farmlands to urban development, and water conservation measures. So while that sounds good on the surface, the fact is that available water in the basis is not a steady state input like demand but rather goes up and down, sometimes dramatically and for years at a time. So when the inevitable down years come, and consumption remains the same, then storage(Lake Meade) must decrease.

October 20, 2021 11:48 am
Elle W
Reply to  ResourceGuy
October 20, 2021 12:35 pm

It’s a sad day when Putin is behaving like the only adult in the room. SMH.

Reply to  Elle W
October 20, 2021 11:18 pm

These times he’s the only adult in the international political room.

October 20, 2021 12:07 pm

What about “Climate” vs. Alarmism?
Isn’t that what the debate is about?
“Normal” weather fluctuations (aka climate) vs an “alarmist” reaction to them?

October 20, 2021 12:46 pm

Weather vs. Griff

…..and the troll team

Reply to  ResourceGuy
October 20, 2021 1:48 pm

I really think it is time to give Griff a time out … he tends to ruin any intelligent discussion on any subject every time he pollutes the blog. Just get rid of him for a while or limit his posting to the second day of a post being up.

Reply to  stewartpid
October 21, 2021 6:51 am

No, such trolls provide a real time window into the weekly troll narratives that are highly correlated with daily spin news efforts and policy talking points. We need to keep tabs on the bad ideas and lobbyist tricks of their trade.

Giordano Milton
October 20, 2021 1:02 pm

After 10 seconds of hit job, people forget so the debunking goes unnoticed.

October 20, 2021 1:16 pm

The next time a green penny-pincher blathers about finance send them here :

Here is The Hidden $150 Trillion Agenda Behind The “Crusade” Against Climate Change

Get that? $150 TRILLION DOLLARS!

ZH has wonderful graphics – Net Zero in a nutshell.

We are talking here about never-before-seen monetarism on steroids!

Now put yourself in these financier’s shoes – how do they view rain, crying rivers about that $150 TRILLION flood drying up?

High Treason
October 20, 2021 1:17 pm

What the media have forgotten is that after WW 2, media figures in Germany were lynched. Since it was the lies and propaganda they disseminated that led to all the misery, when the regime that put them up to it collapsed, the pent up anger of the People was released.
The “fact checkers” deny this, which means that when the tide eventually turns, the fact checkers are likely to suffer the same fate, perhaps worse, since it is within living memory. The “fact checkers” will have no viable excuse, especially as the Nuremberg defence of just following orders is no longer regarded as defence against charges of crimes against humanity.

The individual journalists have an option- they can leave the organisations they work for when they can see they are being put up to commit crimes against humanity. Smearing reputations is expressly outlawed under the 1948 UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

Interestingly, this document has conveniently omitted rights to legal redress in the event of injury not of your fault. They have also omitted the right to challenge a narrative without fear of retribution, penalty or persecution. Most interestingly, Sovereignty over your own body is not in this document-the right to refuse medical treatment and the right to determine what medical treatment you receive. The business of denying (inexpensive and safe) drugs like Ivermectin and HCQ should be regarded as a crime against bodily sovereignty. How can we have any respect for the UN if they omit such basic human rights?

Once one basic human right is denied, the others will fall. This must return us to universal slavery, except this time, it will be the entire planet that is enslaved.

Perhaps the merchants of smear need to be hauled before a Common Law court, complete with jury on charges of crimes against humanity for deliberately smearing reputations?

October 20, 2021 1:19 pm

Long-distance, carbon-intensive morons.

layor nala
October 20, 2021 1:44 pm

I enjoy Griff’s comments. Ridiculous as they are he is doing a real service by causing others to expose the fact there is no climate emergency. Keep up trolling Griff!

Reply to  layor nala
October 21, 2021 7:50 am

“Keep up trolling Griff!”

I really wonder if griff might be a plant – nobody can be that consistently wrong and undermine their own arguments so regularly, right?

October 20, 2021 2:06 pm

Sulfur dioxide and climate:
I remember reading an article by ex Wall Street geek Ken Caldeira (an odd character in the world of climate science, man proud to proclaim that he disproved his own theory) which goes something like this:
Sulfur dioxide emitted by volcanoes eventually spreads around the world. combining with water vapour creating sulfuric acid which reflects sunlight back to space, causing cooling.
I’m fascinated by La Palma (Strombolian explosions type) volcano, here are some details currently available about its SO2 emissions:
Sulfur dioxide emissions fluctuated at high levels between 4,522 and 21,868 tons per day. Sulfur dioxide plumes drifted in multiple directions; on 8 October they reached the Caribbean and on 12 October plumes were over northern Africa, Spain, and Portugal.”
Volcano has been going on now for a month, that makes it 135,660 and 656,040 and that is a lot of SO2 but far less than Pinatubo, unless it goes on at least for couple of years non-stop.
“Pinatubo injected about 15 million tons of sulfur dioxide into the stratosphere, where it reacted with water to form a hazy layer of aerosol particles composed primarily of sulfuric acid droplets. … In the case of Mount Pinatubo, the result was a measurable cooling of the Earth’s surface for a period of almost two years.”

Reply to  Vuk
October 21, 2021 5:29 pm

I heard a claim that the La Palma eruption is the largest lava flow since the late 1500s. The videos are incredible to watch. In one video the speed of the flow was startling. It looked like a fast flowing river at flood stage.

Tom Abbott
October 20, 2021 2:17 pm

I see where one of the Fox News Murdoch sons is going to join with the AP news network to create a separate AP Climate Change news service. He going to invest something like $100 million in it.

I thought you would be interested in that news, Kip.

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Tom Abbott
Reply to  Kip Hansen
October 20, 2021 4:31 pm

From the article I read, they are going to hire a couple of dozen reporters to report exclusively on climate change stories.

It will be the same climate change propaganda, with more voices added to the chorus.

Not that alarmists need it. They have plenty of propaganda sources right now. I must have seen six or seven different articles today trumpeting the “99.9 consensus” the alarmists have just come up with.

Any climate change story now gets numerous headlines on the same day. Murdoch’s additions will just add to the noise.

$100 million is a lot of money, isn’t it. 🙂 I doubt Murdoch is going to get his money’s worth.

October 20, 2021 2:40 pm

I sure like the term “Pineapple Express” better than “Atmospheric River”.

Thanks for the weather update.

Reply to  Kip Hansen
October 20, 2021 8:04 pm


I never heard that before but I don’t doubt it one bit.

I thought the intent for the change was to make it sound more frighting. But I suppose if they really want to make it sound frighting they would call it an Atmospheric Flood or something like that.

I sure hope my fav ski resort, Mammoth Mtn. gets lots of snow from these system and it doesn’t just happen in Oct. One forecaster for the Eastern Sierra went out on a limb a few days ago saying; “The Models are coming in line with some 7 to 8 inches of water for just west of the Mammoth Sierra Crest.” and went on further to say; “Expect excessive snowfall for October, with potential “Event History” in the making for record snowfall on Mammoth Mt. The current record is 85.6 inches during October of 2004.”

I think some may agree that for these early season storms (the 1st few big ones) the models seem to always be on the generous side. We shall see.

Reply to  Kevin
October 20, 2021 8:50 pm

The Hoh Rainforest in Washington State gets over 200″ of rain annually. — must be lots of Gorebull warming in that next of the woods!

John Tillman
Reply to  noaaprogrammer
October 21, 2021 6:21 am

It gets rain steadily for at least nine months of the year, rather than in a few big storms, however. Well, steady, plus storms.

Robert Alfred Taylor
October 20, 2021 3:48 pm

Back in the late 1960/s, when I studied such stuff, California was classified as nearly a desert with occasional wet periods, and, since Europeans arrived, it had had a particularly prolonged wet period. If it returns to what I learned is normal, it will mostly be almost a true desert.

Ireneusz Palmowski
October 21, 2021 2:31 am

The animation below shows how the polar vortex blockade over the Bering Sea is currently affecting North American weather. This is a jet stream at 700 hPa (approximately 3500 m above sea level).,60.20,591/loc=-130.591,39.419
Heavy precipitation is expected on October 22 even in the deserts of Southern California. A powerful snowstorm in the mountains may surprise travelers.
The animation below shows the current circulation in the eastern Pacific. You can see that it is not typical of the La Niña period. This is because the stratospheric polar vortex has already taken control of the weather in the northern hemisphere. This will bring heavy rainfall to California and snow in the mountains, which can be counted in meters. image

Reply to  Ireneusz Palmowski
October 21, 2021 5:24 pm

The rains have been moderately strong over the last 3 days. This area in NorCal is due for 7 more days of rain. That is a very good rain for this time of year.

Ireneusz Palmowski
October 21, 2021 2:43 am

Currently, polar vortex blocking in the lower stratosphere over the Bering Strait is already visible.comment image
And this is the tropopause circulation forecast.comment image

John Tillman
Reply to  Ireneusz Palmowski
October 21, 2021 6:33 am

Arctic sea ice extent was higher on Oct. 18 than in any of the previous five years, except 2017. Data haven’t been updated since that date.

Also higher than 2007, 2011 and 2012, thus right in the middle of the 15 years 2007-21, incl. Seven higher and seven lower, but the lower years were lower than the higher were higher.

Ireneusz Palmowski
Reply to  John Tillman
October 21, 2021 7:17 am

The East Siberian Sea and the Chukchi Sea will soon freeze over.comment image

Ireneusz Palmowski
Reply to  Ireneusz Palmowski
October 21, 2021 7:18 am
Ireneusz Palmowski
October 21, 2021 6:41 am

An atmospheric river is coming over the West Coast. The large temperature difference promises a violent impacts of fronts from the Pacific Ocean.comment image

Andy Pattullo
October 21, 2021 7:55 am

Nature clearly doesn’t respect the idiocy of climate fanatics. The laws of nature are the only ones you can’t break. You may try but the punishment is certain and plays no favorites. The whole of human society could vanish in a flood of stupidity, as we seem to be trying at present, and nature will not care. Nature provides the opportunity for people to flourish and we have done so continuously for the duration of our brief existence as a species. We can throw it all away over superstition and unfounded fear of the weather or carry on and make life for everyone better. Nature won’t blink an eye or skip a step either way.

October 21, 2021 5:19 pm

There have been decent rains here in Northern California over the last several days. It has rained for most of the day so far. The forecast is for seven more days of rain.This is an above average string of rainy days for this time of year. …

So a good year so far as there were also 3 rains in September. Those rains were light but steady, lasting 7 or 8 hours at a time.

Reply to  Kip Hansen
October 21, 2021 10:10 pm

I metal detect, and I have a good sluice box system. I live in Trinity County which sits on the west side of the Sacramento Valley. There was a lot of gold found around here. The mountains just to the north of me are called the Trinity Alps. It is rugged forested country. Actually the gold field stretched from Trinity county into the valley below and to the city of Redding which sits on the Sacramento River. In the early 1900s there was a thriving copper mine to the north of Redding. One of the largest nuggets ever found in California came from this area.

Ireneusz Palmowski
Reply to  goldminor
October 22, 2021 3:27 am

The eastern Pacific jet current pattern remains unchanged. Another front with precipitation will cover all of California in two days.comment imagecomment image

Ireneusz Palmowski
Reply to  goldminor
October 22, 2021 3:34 am

You have to watch out for sudden floods and landslides in mountainous areas.

Reply to  Ireneusz Palmowski
October 22, 2021 2:36 pm

Not so much in this forested land. The only time it floods around here are when the ARs come in off of the ocean and sit around for some time. You may have noticed in the past that I occasionally talk about the major flood winters which this area can receive. These are always related to the solar cycle entering into the solar minimum period.

Reply to  goldminor
October 22, 2021 2:43 pm

ps: I see that you have a Polish name. My mother’s family came from Poland. My great grandfather on my mom’s side had the foresight to leave Poland around 1920. He encouraged all family members to leave Poland at that time. Many of those who did not listen later died as Germany rose in power. What is also interesting is that my great grandfather on my dad’s side had reason to leave Mexico around that same time.So my mom and dad then came together as they grew up in San Francisco.

Ireneusz Palmowski
Reply to  goldminor
October 23, 2021 12:26 am

Greetings from Lodz, a multicultural city.

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