Marc Morano Takes on Climate Alarmist Reporter at ICCC-14

Dan Becka

Marc Morano responds to climate-alarmist reporter’s attacks at recent 14th Annual International Conference on Climate Change

[I cleaned up the audio on this video and hosted here on WUWT for continuity. I still want to make sure Dan Becka’s Youtube gets credit~charles]

Here the the Channel 4 report, including a cameo by yours truly.

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Ric
October 20, 2021 2:09 pm

Spot on.

Walter Horsting
October 20, 2021 2:12 pm

Great responses Marc!

HotScot
Reply to  Walter Horsting
October 20, 2021 3:57 pm

Great responses but she wasn’t listening. Like Marc said, everything he was quoting weren’t his words, and later she begins waffling about wind turbines. These idiotic journalist’s need to get outside sometime, the UK has literally been becalmed for the last 2 weeks or so.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  HotScot
October 21, 2021 5:18 am

“Great responses but she wasn’t listening.”

No, she wasn’t. She already had her mind made up.

Bill
Reply to  Tom Abbott
October 21, 2021 2:13 pm

No, she wasn’t. She already had her mind made up.

She is mindless and lacks any capability for critical thinking (thus she can’t actually make up her mind). She continually asked questions then interrupted Marc’s answers and refutations with more drivel she has been spoon fed by the Gores, Gates, Bezos, and Soros of the world.

That was one of the most disgraceful and ignorant questioning I’ve seen, other than Biden’s dementia blather…and she graduated from some college. Shameful. 🙁

Morfu03
Reply to  HotScot
October 21, 2021 6:07 am

“Great responses but she wasn’t listening.”
That is also my impression!
The question might be how can you change that and beside all these political angles, I would say the science is a good start.
The paper of R. Connolly et al. earlier this year https://arxiv.org/abs/2105.12126 “For all 5 NH temperature series, different TSI estimates implied everything from recent global warming being mostly human-caused to it being mostly natural.”

Or the implications when the GISS NASA director G. Schmidt says “Many of the world’s leading models are now projecting warming rates that most scientists, including the modelmakers themselves, believe are implausibly fast”
To me it seems to be a judgement on this own work over the last few decades and something M. Morano talks about when scientists push an agenda. Schmidt was involved in the political process and got one of the most prestigious jobs out of it.

Eye opening for me was S. McIntyre´s post about the Cape Ghir series (https://climateaudit.org/2021/08/11/the-ipcc-ar6-hockeystick/):
“Precisely why local Cape Ghir (offshore Morocco) temperatures were going down is somewhat of a quandary. Rather than figuring out this quandary, Neukom and the woke just turn the series upside down, following the example of Upside Down Mann by orienting the series according to its correlation with target instrumental temperature, even in their “CPS” reconstruction – a technique that is normally resistant to opportunistic flipping of proxies to enhance HS-ness of a final reconstruction.”

I actually went over to RealClimate and asked about it (https://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2021/08/deciphering-the-spm-ar6-wg1-code/ towards the very end of those discussions).
G. Schmidt pointed to the paper by H. V. McGregor introducing this proxy and stating about this type of data “..Upwelling-driven SSTs also vary out of phase with millennial-scale changes in Northern Hemisphere temperature anomalies (NHTAs) and show relatively warm conditions during the Little Ice Age and relatively cool conditions during the Medieval Warm Period…”
Which prompted Neukom to flip the data and use it as temperature proxy without any restritions or commetns to create figure 1a in the SPM IPCC6.

My problem with this particular dataset and procedure is, that even a layman can see that “Looking at the data [..] you can see that the temperature stays around 19.6°C for more than 2000 years before recently dropping by about 2°C which represents a change about 10x stronger than any previous oscillation”
And this was not addressed by Neukom or the experts over there and also further post by me (critical, expecially of Mann and using such “science” for more than 25years without ever correcting or commenting his proven errors, were censored beside being well within the rules of that page.

I believe with facts like that we might be able to get journalists to think about the idea that there is more than one angle to this field, even so the mainstream pushes their version hard (it might not be 97%+ of all publications, but it is more than 51%)

Peter Barrett
Reply to  HotScot
October 21, 2021 11:42 am

The becalming presumably ended within hours of your posting. Very healthy winds blew up here (Cornwall, UK) late afternoon and lasted all night. Unfortunately little power was generated by the three turbines visible from our upstairs windows as they had all locked out during the night, presumably to prevent overspeed.

Tom Halla
October 20, 2021 2:15 pm

The regulatory state has a strong tendency to go fascist.

n.n
Reply to  Tom Halla
October 20, 2021 6:41 pm

To be fair, there’s gold in them fools, and deniers will take a knee by choice or force.

Tom Halla
Reply to  n.n
October 20, 2021 6:47 pm

Oh, if one can stomach going full up kleptocrat, it is financially rewarding.

Caligula Jones
Reply to  Tom Halla
October 21, 2021 10:17 am

The regulatory state has a strong tendency to go start as fascistic.

There, cleared it up.

BTW, to paraphrase Taleb: civil servants and politician love regulations, make so many of them, and make them so complicated, then go to work for the private sector.

Citizen Smith
October 20, 2021 2:38 pm

She’s not a reporter. She’s a closed minded activist. Why waste time arguing with dogma.

John in Oz
Reply to  Citizen Smith
October 20, 2021 3:27 pm

I thought a reporter was supposed to look for the truth, not expound their version of it.

This ‘reporter’ cannot accept that words have been spoken unless she has heard them then vehemently disagrees with others if they have heard them.

It’s no wonder that the MSM is not trusted by many

Reply to  John in Oz
October 21, 2021 2:49 am

Reporters are supposed to look for what sells. Normality, for instance, doesn’t sell.

Cosmic
Reply to  John in Oz
October 23, 2021 7:16 am

There are very few good reporters that can be relied on these days…perhaps 5% of all ‘mainstream’. It’s pathetic. I listen to none of them.

Gunga Din
Reply to  Citizen Smith
October 20, 2021 3:37 pm

We got to watch the exchange?

Dave
Reply to  Citizen Smith
October 20, 2021 4:14 pm

Most reporters today are closed minded activists, which is why trying to present truth to them is a waste of time.

n.n
Reply to  Citizen Smith
October 20, 2021 6:40 pm

To paraphrase Madonna: mama don’t bray.

RickWill
October 20, 2021 3:04 pm

The Climate Emergency takes on a new perspective listening to this.

Some local government councils in Australia have declared “Climate Emergencies”. For them it has become an excuse to buy high cost, low range electric vehicles and reduce frequency of rubbish collections.

Victorian State government have demonstrated what they can get away with using emergency powers. Melbourne will come out of its 6th lockdown today. Now totalling 263 days of nighttime curfews and the only reasons for leaving home for up to an hour was for exercise, purchase essential supplies and seeking medical attention. So far there is no sign of the State government declaring a Climate Emergency but the Greens, a significant force in the State, are calling for it. Need to stay alert on this!

Mr.
Reply to  RickWill
October 20, 2021 6:19 pm

Rick, just for giggle, try what I did –

phone your Council and ask them what urgent life preserving actions you are required to take to keep yourself and your loved ones alive through this critical period.
Should you have canned food, bottled water, candles, blankets, medications, firearms ready stored in your shelter?
How long are you expected to hunker down for until the emergency is declared over?
Is looting of vacant houses a possibility?

I was put on hold for 5 mins until the phone line just went dead, then when I phoned back I was told by a “manager” that all crank calls are reported to police.

I said that’s great to know – we don’t want any cranks not taking this emergency seriously.

The line went dead again . . .

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Mr.
October 21, 2021 5:30 am

Ridicule can be effective. 🙂

Brent Qually
Reply to  Mr.
October 21, 2021 11:04 am

Stockpile more alcohol. Fends off the crisis quite well.

Cosmic
Reply to  RickWill
October 23, 2021 7:17 am

I will never enter that pathetic country. Oh hell no. You may never get out if you do.

David Roger Wells
October 20, 2021 3:16 pm

Kennedy is a complete waste of space. The edited version of the interview demonstrates that every time Kennedy gets a response which repudiates what she wants us to believe the response is edited out. Cherry picked Lake Mead implied soaring temperatures X = Y its climate change which has only happened after 1760. Kennedy like the rest of the bigots wouldn’t be alive to prevaricate if humanity had not exploited fossil fuels. 1300’s planet struggled to feed 350 million now we produce enough food for 10 billion. I cannot comprehend the purpose of implying we live in the worst of times when all of the evidence makes it abundantly clear we are living in the best of times but this new age obstructive puritanism is dedicated to making ordinary folk experience a sack cloth and ashes existence seemingly to protect the celebrity lifestyles of the very rich like media flunkies who to all intents and purpose appear to be arithmetically challenged except when it comes to their multi million dollar life styles. How did Kennedy get from Washington to Las Vegas to record this nonsense it wasn’t fossil fuels was it? Maybe it was a broomstick.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  David Roger Wells
October 21, 2021 5:31 am

I wonder what Lake Mead is going to look like in a couple of weeks? Maybe the reporter should make another visit in the near future.

Jay Willis
Reply to  Tom Abbott
October 21, 2021 6:53 am

Lake Mead…. Hmmmmm I wonder if there are any other factors at work here:

From Wikipedia:

Impact of growth on water supplyA growing population means the Las Vegas Valley used 1.2 billion US gallons (4.5×109 L) more water in 2014 than in 2011. Although water conservation efforts implemented in the wake of a 2002 drought have had some success, local water consumption remains 30 percent more than in Los Angeles, and over three times that of San Francisco metropolitan area residents. The Southern Nevada Water Authority is building a $1.4 billion tunnel and pumping station to bring water from Lake Mead, has purchased water rights throughout Nevada, and has planned a controversial $3.2 billion pipeline across half the state. By law, the Las Vegas Water Service District “may deny any request for a water commitment or request for a water connection if the District has an inadequate supply of water.” However, limiting growth on the basis of an inadequate water supply has been unpopular with the casino and building industries.

Ahh.

Damn, I thought as much, it’s all climate change again.

Oriel Kolnai
Reply to  David Roger Wells
October 21, 2021 10:31 am

The important thing to note is that none of this interview is has anything to do with ‘rational’ argument, Even less does it illustrate ‘Nullus in Verba’, ie,’ take no-one’s word for it’. The shoddy use of examples is much more like another discipline, Sociology, which too cherry-picks data to ‘expose’ ‘capitalism’. The truly sinister postioning of ‘Jenny King’ and her ‘Institute for Strategic Dialogue’ (sic) (sick!) in its role as God Speaks Truly to Sinners is both a warning and an example. The time for agument is past.

The communication theories these people have been taught need now to become part of our fightback. Too much time is spent in dialogue, too little in strategy which invalidates their discourse. They may be scientifically illiterate, but by George, they understand the power of the media narrative.

Marc Morano is honest, but on the back foot. Why does she believe the people she does? Because there’s a lot of them? Because they have money and power? A roomful of fools makes one big fool. This interview could form the start of a training course.

Contrast it with Jordan Peterson’s utter astonishment at Cathy Newman’s eye watering facetiousness. This is a good example of getting on the throne to watch the other go down the drain. He uses her (mis-)understanding to validate his position, so that he can simply deliver his argument. He understands her desire to de-legitimise him (NOT ‘prove him wrong’) and he won’t put up with it.

Rod Evans
October 20, 2021 3:44 pm

Was her role supposed to be to interview Marc, or was it to hector him.
She miserably failed as an interviewer and was brilliant at the hectoring.
She is from Channel 4 so it’s to be expected.

M Courtney
Reply to  Rod Evans
October 21, 2021 12:30 am

But she won the debate. He got angry.
He talked over her.
He lost.

Editor
Reply to  M Courtney
October 21, 2021 1:48 am

Yes, I would say she won. She was calm and collected. She was interviewing (edited) snippets mostly showing angry, older white men. Its a clever narrative but it shows we stop needing to shot hoax and conspiracy (group think and politics yes) and seek to be more moderate and get younger people involved.

Unfortunately the latter are scared for their jobs and only have ever been fed one side of the story so how many would join the ranks of ageing sceptics is unknown but likely to be small

M Courtney
Reply to  tonyb
October 21, 2021 2:55 am

Thanks for the reply.
Not sure I agree that being old, white and male is quite such a bad image. It’s shouting at a woman that looks bad.
A calm Tom Hanks style would have been acceptable. Could have used the same words but not been so over-bearing / defensive / apparently rattled.
That would be harder to spin against.

Philip Rose
Reply to  M Courtney
October 21, 2021 5:06 am

It was not a debate. Yes she bated him and he was irritated: natural.

M Courtney
Reply to  Philip Rose
October 21, 2021 5:28 am

Which is why he lost. Not saying that’s a good thing. just pointing out the fact that he raised his voice to a woman. Neutrals observing that will naturally assume he’s a know-nothing blow-hard.
That’s a loss.

Cosmic
Reply to  M Courtney
October 23, 2021 7:23 am

OH HOW DARE HE RAISE HIS VOICE TO A WOMEN!! (Pffft)

Oriel Kolnai
Reply to  Philip Rose
October 25, 2021 8:59 am

Which he’s not supposed to be. He’s paid to communicate, ie to have a plan to deal with this badgering. While she rants calmly. As I argue above, delegitmise, don’t deal.Just as Post Modernists like her are trained. Instead, he hands his spear over to her:’You are a bunch of crackpots’. Covid evidence is too complex to be conclusive.

He might have remembered the HCQ debacle, an anti-malarial in common use in Africa helping the low C-19 rate there. Once Trump said it was good, all hell broke loose, and old sick people died to prove he was Satan. Our rulers won precisely because of the enormous lack of knowlege. They understand how to use this lack completely. For them, ‘Ignorance is Strength’.

HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE AND THE BURDEN OF PROOF – IHU (mediterranee-infection.com)
Distributed Denial of HCQ to COVID-19 Victims – Climate Change News

Once more, more training in techniques which challenge interviewers on their narratives is vital.Losing one’s temper is unmannerly. Worse it hands the debate to the enemy. This interview would make a good starting point for analysis. Turn the enemy’s dogs against them for a change.

Here’s a good start

Cosmic
Reply to  M Courtney
October 23, 2021 7:22 am

Up is down, down is up, the sun rises in the west, sets in the east, the earth is the center of the universe….signed M COURTNEY. Pathetic.

Ron Long
October 20, 2021 3:49 pm

What does it mean when the smartest person on the street in Las Vegas is an Elvis Impersonator?

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Ron Long
October 21, 2021 5:37 am

The alarmists are wondering why they have such a hard time convincing people there is a climate emergency at hand.

Elvis was just using his common sense.

And then there is that poor woman who claimed hurricanes were getting much worse and what else could it be but human-derived CO2. She has obviously been fooled by people like that reporter.

HotScot
October 20, 2021 3:52 pm

The old dear at the end cracked me up!!! 🤣🤣

HotScot
October 20, 2021 3:54 pm

How about when Mac went after her over the 97% and told her she had heard it somewhere, she was momentarily speechless. She knew she had been caught.

leitmotif
Reply to  HotScot
October 20, 2021 5:26 pm

She did. We did. But she’s asking the questions so she can move on. Interviewees don’t have that luxury.

John the Econ
October 20, 2021 4:00 pm

Didn’t sound like a “journalist” to me. I’d love to see her question any Progressive that aggressively. Of course, we know that doesn’t happen. She’d just dutifully take down their talking points.

I love how she accuses him of spreading “misinformation” and then throws out the “97%” trope. He let her off too easy on that one.

October 20, 2021 4:01 pm

25:26 I don’t want to sound arrogant, but it’s hard not to with you.

Quite so.

Anon
Reply to  Philip Mulholland
October 20, 2021 5:19 pm

It would have really helped if she had gone to his talk before doing an interview.

Gunga Din
October 20, 2021 4:01 pm

My impression?
She was well versed on the talking points.
Morano was well versed on the facts and the politiks behind CAGW.
Whenever she switched when Marc was refuting a talking point, she switched to another talking point.
I remember a past clip where a reporter was interviewing Hayhoe. Marc came down the steps to join in. Hayhoe clammed up. Though there were a couple of times when it was obvious she started to say something but refused to continue.
A “useful idiot” continued but a “climate scientist” clammed up.
That says something.

meab
October 20, 2021 4:47 pm

The assertion that Lake Mead is dropping from climate change starting in the year 2000 is pure horseshi+. Read “Cadillac Desert – The American West and its Disappearing Water” by Marc Reisner written in 1986 on how the Colorado River was over subscribed since the time that Hoover Dam created Lake Mead in 1935. The Colorado’s flow was estimated to be much larger than it really is more than 80 years ago and consequently they are taking too much water out of the lake. That is why the lake is dropping. There is NO correlation between the level of Lake Mead and climate. NONE.

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Alan M
Reply to  meab
October 21, 2021 6:09 am

So just to clarify for this Aussie geoscientist, this is a man-made lake built in 1935 and now “man made climate change” has impacted on its water levels. So what was its level in 1934?

Sam Capricci
October 20, 2021 5:00 pm

It’s hard to listen to her NOT LISTEN to Marc! It reminds me of talking to a brick. He has to explain everything and she gets to interrupt, explain nothing and answer nothing, I suspect she was trying to get him to storm away so she could get that on tape to show in her edited report that she say she bested him with facts.

Bill Parsons
Reply to  Sam Capricci
October 20, 2021 6:54 pm

Reminiscent of this interview with Jordan Peterson.

waterproof
Reply to  Bill Parsons
October 23, 2021 5:46 am

Clearly she is an expert at logical fallacies like reification, sweeping generalization, equivocation, one cause-one effect, loaded questions, begging the question, doesn’t know the definitions of words and she can’t grasp what multivariate analysis is. Instead of getting clarification on what he means, she strings together key words to oversimplify it into a strawman she can set on fire. Then she declares victory and makes another accusation. Just like the reporter interviewing Morano. I wonder if they teach this meta-technique in school? Be pushy, illogical and repetetive until you provoke anger and you win because you are a victim and he is the nut?

leitmotif
October 20, 2021 5:21 pm

Wow! Marc Moreno. He’s the man.

Wish we could get him on GB News to spike these woke climate alarmists they invite on the channel.

That includes some of the woke presenters.

Never thought I’d say it but Lembit Opik is my hero of the moment. On GB News he challenged anyone to debate climate change with him. Open invite.

leitmotif
Reply to  leitmotif
October 20, 2021 5:22 pm

His dad was a physicist in Estonia.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  leitmotif
October 20, 2021 5:50 pm

Who is Marc Moreno?

Derg
October 20, 2021 5:27 pm

This lady is how I would imagine Simon….a terrible human activist.

Shame on them.

Chris Hanley
October 20, 2021 5:27 pm

Marc Morano pointed to the current energy problems in UK and Europe as an indication that renewables don’t work, presumably referring to the inherent intermittency.
The interviewer’s stock answer: that was because there weren’t enough renewables 😂.
‘Dumb’ + ‘blonde’ is often considered a collocation (‘a collocation is a series of words or terms that co-occur more often than would be expected by chance’ … Wiki).

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BallBounces
October 20, 2021 5:47 pm

When we call you “Climate deniers” we’re truth-telling; When Morano says “Climate lockdown” it’s misinformation and scare-mongering.

They lack self-awareness. Leftists/progressives are used to controlling the language and can’t handle it when someone else gives it a go.

Dan Becka
Reply to  BallBounces
October 20, 2021 6:33 pm

What’s a climate denier? Do you know?

Dennis
Reply to  Dan Becka
October 20, 2021 8:13 pm

I think it’s meant to be climate hoax denier, otherwise known as a climate hoax sceptic who understands that climate changes are natural Earth Cycles?

BallBounces
Reply to  Dan Becka
October 21, 2021 7:29 am

Yes. The long and short of it is this: “climate denier” is short-form for “climate change denier”, which is short-form for “anthropogenic climate change denier”, which is long-form for “denier” and “Nazi”.

Dena
October 20, 2021 6:06 pm

Lake Mead! Maybe she should learn a bit more about it before she talks about it. California has always wanted more out of the dam that they are supposed to get. Part of the problem is they are tearing down dams and letting water go to the ocean instead of holding it. 

Arizona while new kid on the block has another problem. It isn’t using all the water they have been given and if they leave it behind the dam, they lose it. So they store the excess water underground. Currently there isn’t a way to recover it as they figured they would build that when they needed it. The rules have been changed and now Arizona can bank the excess water without losing it. That will probably help over the next few years but we need some rainfall before it becomes noticeable. 

The other issue is long term droughts are common in this area. We have Indian ruins that are hundreds of years old and it is believed that their collapse was the result of a long term drought.

This is a desert and by definition, there isn’t much water. That’s why we build dams that are able to withstand multi year droughts. Unfortunately even with over 100 years of experience with dams, we still have a few thing to learn about retaining and using water. 

Cosmic
Reply to  Dena
October 23, 2021 11:58 am

And the typical climate warrior has zero interest in history or climate FACTs.

October 20, 2021 6:10 pm

Marc Morano 10
Reporter 0

Robert of Texas
October 20, 2021 6:34 pm

“Climate Change Deniers”

The tag most favored by people who have nothing of value to add to our understanding of Climate Change. The second someone uses this tag, I tune them out.

n.n
Reply to  Robert of Texas
October 20, 2021 6:54 pm

A pejorative. A semantic play. A shaming tactic per chance a phobia. A baby cries, sheds her, or his, final tears, sequestered. A Nazi from yonder brays

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JBP
October 20, 2021 6:49 pm

Hahahaha

steve
October 20, 2021 8:08 pm

What a moronic reporter……A real pinball Wizard……deaf, dumb, blind.

Alan M
Reply to  steve
October 21, 2021 6:12 am

And didn’t play a mean pinball. Probably didn’t have flipper fingers 😉

Cosmic
Reply to  Alan M
October 23, 2021 11:59 am

‘How do you think she does it? I don’t know, what makes her so good?’

Tony Taylor
October 20, 2021 10:18 pm

Nothing drives home your point like canvassing the opinion from an Elvis.

Newton
October 20, 2021 11:46 pm

Notice the soft interviewing with the woman who tracks what she refers to as deniers but tries to hammer Marc Merano
I must say he absolutely killed her stupid questions and statements

H B
October 21, 2021 12:51 am

Silly pommie cow of a reporter
Poms have been brainwashed by their education system most of them have drunk the cool aid
They yell and scream when their world view is challenged seen it many times sad situation

DaveS
Reply to  H B
October 21, 2021 11:43 am

The UK media is as bad as the Australian (Sky News Australia excepted)

Phillip Bratby
October 21, 2021 1:19 am

Channel News is even worse than the BBC (if that were possible) for its climate change alarmism. It employs any obnoxious characters.

Vincent Causey
October 21, 2021 2:45 am

I like how they only play a few words from her “interviews” with the delegates, edited for maximum negative impact. No intelligent person watching this broadcast would take it at all seriously becasue it basically consisted of the presenter marching up to the forum telling the camera “look everyone, crazy climate deniers do dwell here.”

The public deserve better.

Lerameistezet
Reply to  Vincent Causey
October 22, 2021 12:39 am

“No intelligent person watching this broadcast would take it at all seriously”
That’s precisely why the vast majority would take it very seriously. 

fretslider
October 21, 2021 3:22 am

Talk about an uninformed Bimbo.

Given her accent, it’s amazing she denies what Parliament is pushing for.

Blind faith?

Pyrthroes
October 21, 2021 3:35 am

Updated by Potsdam’s Helmholtz Research Center (HRC), the solar system’s daily geomagnetic disturbance (“Space Weather”) Ap Index relates global temperatures to sunspot activity via Earth’s total solar irradiance (TSI) as solar magnetic fields (SMFs) affect the intensity of ambient Cosmic Radiation. NB: See a preposterously schtoopid Green Party advocate’s projection of 7-meter (21 ft.) global sea-level rises by AD 2100, citing Potsdam’s notorious junk-science Institute for Climate Impact Research (PIK).

As applied by Svensmark-Zharkova from c. 2005 to 2016, Ap Index levels tie to Cosmic Ray incidence via sunspot activity driving solar magnetic fields, governing Total Solar Irradiance (TSI) influencing global temperatures. Absent astro-geophysical factors –orbital and polar inclination, equinoctial precession, continental plate-tectonic dispositions– this confirms Australian Robert Holmes’ empirical 2017 Mean Molar Mass version of the Ideal Gas Law, where any planet’s Global Atmospheric Surface Temperature (GAST) = PM/Rp (qv). Since this includes no “carbon footprint” (CO2) industrial/fossil-fuel [sic] component, Holmes’ Law decisively discredits Green Gangsters’ nefarious emissions fraud.

Over half-a-century from 1968, then 1978, every syllable of Klimat Kooks’ attitudinal anthropogenic global warming (AGW) mythos has proved ridiculously 180ᵒ dead-wrong. Yet Green Gangsters’ hidden-agenda narrative persists because crony-socialists’ money and power are at stake. Meantime, as Potsdam’s HRC Ap Index breaches 1878 levels below -50 from c. 2006 – 2107+, Earth’s cyclical 102-kiloyear post-Holocene glaciations stir awake, presaging a recurrent Pliocene-Pleistocene chill-phase from 3.6-million YBP, due to last another 16 – 24+ million years.

Peta of Newark
October 21, 2021 4:55 am

Where it went wrong and how it will never progress is with the ‘denier’ word.
The very fact that it came into usage tells everyone that its users don’t know nor understand The Science that they claim to understand. They use the Ad-Hom to deflect any questioning.

If someone anyone calls you a ‘denier’ – admit it, tell them you are.
Tell them that The Science Is Junk
Why:

  • All substances in this Universe absorb electromagnetic radiation. IOW The atmosphere would soak up radiated energy from the surface anyway, without assistance of Green House Gases(GHGs) and ‘get warm’
  • OK, some materials, gases in the atmosphere, absorb at very particular wavelengths. It’s what we might observe as ‘colour’

Now where it all goes wrong:

  • The GHGs absorb at their ‘colour’ but the process is one of what happens in a Carnot Heat Engine. IOW The incoming packet of energy (photon if you like) becomes 2 significant new parts.
  • One part stays with the GHG and adds to its energy content but the other part continues its journey to ‘wherever’ ……
  • …….the Carnot equation tells you how much goes each separate way
  • Next we’re told that ‘The energy is re-emitted in all directions‘. This is no lie but is the actual moment where The Emperor makes an appearance for 3 reasons
  • 1/ Because of Carnot, the re-emitted energy is not the same as the absorbed energy – the 1st Law says that it must have longer wavelength and be = colder
  • 2/ It matters not one jot about ‘emitted in all directions‘ – what matters is whether it is absorbed in all directions
  • 3/ At this point it would have been nice if the substance in question, CO2, actually did any measurable emitting at the temps and pressures of the atmosphere.
  • Point 2 above is the important one…..
  • …..it is where the 2nd Law comes into play (the science of Carnot, Einstein, Entropy, Jozef Stefan, the Cooling Universe, Joule etc etc) in fact if the re-emitted energy headed downwards from wherever it was emitted, it has no-place to go. It is, by the above explanation, much colder than anywhere/everywhere below its source – Lapse Rate tells us so
  • The re-emitted energy will thus simply bounce/reflect/refract/scatter around in the space/volume/wherever until it finds itself headed upwards and outwards- where it and its Carnot created sibling where headed anyway

The Whole Theory Of The Green House Gases is abject nonsense
We need a Plate Tectonics Moment here…… we really do

Addendum:
Work it out..
Lets be generous and allow CO2 an emissivity of 0.001 ##
Take the average temperature of the Troposphere to be minus 15 Celsius or 258 Kelvin
Take Stefan’s Const. = 5.67 times Ten to the minus Eight

I get 251 milliwatts per square metre

and that is going to Trash The World.
Yes, Intelligent Life is = No More

## that’s CO2’s figure at 33 Celsius (306 Kelvin) and a partial pressure of 340ppm as measured by Hottel in 1954. A guy name of Leckner repeated the experiment and got a smaller number)

Peta of Newark
Reply to  Peta of Newark
October 21, 2021 5:06 am

Reply to self but aimed at Alert Readers and Agile Minds..
Does or does that explanation above tell you that ‘Green House Gases’ might have a Cooling Effect…
By shattering high energy/temp photons into colder ones?
> If the original photon had not encountered a GHG, it might have been absorbed by a non-GHG and really actually had a Warming Effect

But after a warm photon’s encounter with a GHG, the 2 resulting cold photons can only heat any thing/place/where that is colder than they are at their new wavelength and that place is never below where that encounter occurred. They can not return to the surface.

Well yes they can but there’s no place for them to go/stay/be absorbed

Maybe they got it right the first time, back in the 70’s, when GHGs caused cooling

fretslider
Reply to  Peta of Newark
October 21, 2021 5:21 am

We need a Plate Tectonics Moment here…… we really do”

You won’t get one simply because that would be off narrative, wouldn’t it.

Tom Abbott
October 21, 2021 5:22 am

What stood out for me in these videos was, the mention of “Green Tyranny”, I thought that was a good description, and it was funny when the reporter told the assembled skeptics about how the weather was getting more extreme because of CO2, and the whole audience laughed out loud.

The reporter was on a misson to discredit the conference. Marc is lucky she let him get a word in edgewise.

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richard
October 21, 2021 5:49 am

Amazing that deaths from extreme weather has declined by 90%+ since the 1930s as the world’s population has exploded. https://ourworldindata.org/natural-disasters

richard
October 21, 2021 5:56 am

“all of those control systems onto the climate” – as reported on WUWT a while back – “What this memo shows is EPA’s recognizing it had to move its global warming campaign away from the failed model of discredited Big Green pressure groups and their “mascots” the polar bears and polar ice caps, that “climate” has proved “consistently — an unpersuasive argument to make.” In it we see the birth of the breathtakingly disingenuous “shift from making this about the polar caps [to] about our neighbor with respiratory illness…”.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/03/18/happy-anniversary-most-cynical-epa-memo-ever/

richard
October 21, 2021 6:02 am

regarding deaths from covid- CDC data “For over 5% of these deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned on the death certificate. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 4.0 additional conditions or causes per death” Average age of death with covid was 82 years , average life span is 82 years. How long does a person with an average age of 82 year have to live with 4 serious diseases. –
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm?fbclid=IwAR1qC9bXRTmggpniTBAvlzvAZ-wpZdAsCoFlRwiujGQy01DJlvTM6aOr4HQ

Alba
October 21, 2021 6:04 am

The highlight for me was when she said that the people at the Heartland Institute were not interested in listening to other points of view. And she said it with such a straight face.
But I have to give it to her. She was sent to do a hatchet job and she used all of the techniques you would expect. The scary description of the lake and the blame being given to ‘climate change’ with no evidence whatsoever. The attempt to show that people at the conference were crackpots – why else would someone come dressed as Elvis? The description of Marc Marano as a ‘self-described’ environmental journalist. And the turning to the ‘expert’ to get an ‘impartial’ view of the views being put forward.

bonbon
October 21, 2021 8:46 am

What is really strange is the so-called climate journalists complete and utter incomprehension of where the actual severe crisis lies – in the financial system.
They cannot understand Davos-speak, even when Davos ordains owning nothing.

Could it be that people actually do see something really wrong when a house or student loan is unpayable, and now auto fuel, electricity? In other words, are they expressing severe misgivings in the wrong words ”climate” and CO2, fossil this and that? Davos is hijacking the mind.
I think Ex-CIA analyst Ray McGovern is right – a sudden shift to the reality, he identifies as ‘metanoia’ a turning of the mind upside down, away from hubris and overweening arrogance, Davos knows can happen without apparent warning anytime.

Charlie
October 21, 2021 8:50 am

In the second video

Reporter : You’re all having a good laugh, but how do you account for these things? [Forest fires, floods, droughts]

Responder : You need to be very precise in what you are alleging…

And cut there, move on.

The Channel 4 viewer will never know what this ‘impartial’ reporter might have refused to learn in the minutes that followed.

DaveS
Reply to  Charlie
October 21, 2021 11:35 am

I assume this was the Channel 4 “journalist” who asked the last question after Anthony Watt’s and Ross McKitrick’s presentations, as recorded on YouTube. She asked nothing about either presentation, instead launching into the ‘97% of scientists’ meme. So she wasn’t there to learn (assuming she has the intelligence to do so), she was there to reinforce her preconceptions. Par for the course for a Channel 4 “journalist”. For anyone who is not aware, Channel 4 is state-owned, but unlike the BBC is funded by advertising.

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Peter Vasiljevic
October 21, 2021 12:01 pm

Astonishing propaganda from Channel 4.

JCDNTexas
October 21, 2021 12:52 pm

“I believe in science … I believe in science … I believe in science. Click your heels together three times…”
LOLOL … awesome

Ignatz
October 21, 2021 6:18 pm

Marc uses the words that came out of alarmist’s mouths and her response is “you are coopting them.”

Wow.

This is kind of magical.

Cosmic
October 23, 2021 7:11 am

Gawd to I detest these leftists. Maddening.

Peyelut
October 23, 2021 4:10 pm

Who is that HORRID little Harridan?

JCalvertN(UK)
October 24, 2021 8:44 am

What is the name of the activist propagandist that was trying to brow-beat Marc Murano?

Brian Willis
October 30, 2021 1:58 am

I thought she was supposed to be a journalist? Whatever that was, it certainly was not the sort of interview you would expect from a serious journalist.

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