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Guardian Climate Apocalypse: The End of the World is Now

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

According to the Guardian, the “surprisingly small” temperature increases we have experienced to date is causing “unprecedented pain and turmoil”.

The climate disaster is here

Earth is already becoming unlivable. Will governments act to stop this disaster from getting worse?

by Oliver MilmanAndrew WitherspoonRita Liu, and Alvin Chang
Thu 14 Oct 2021 05.00 EDT

The enormous, unprecedented pain and turmoil caused by the climate crisis is often discussed alongside what can seem like surprisingly small temperature increases – 1.5C or 2C hotter than it was in the era just before the car replaced the horse and cart. 

These temperature thresholds will again be the focus of upcoming UN climate talks at the COP26 summit in Scotland as countries variously dawdle or scramble to avert climate catastrophe. But the single digit numbers obscure huge ramifications at stake. “We have built a civilization based on a world that doesn’t exist anymore,” as Katharine Hayhoe, a climate scientist at Texas Tech University and chief scientist at the Nature Conservancy, puts it.

The world has already heated up by around 1.2C, on average, since the preindustrial era, pushing humanity beyond almost all historical boundaries. Cranking up the temperature of the entire globe this much within little more than a century is, in fact, extraordinary, with the oceans alone absorbing the heat equivalent of five Hiroshima atomic bombs dropping into the water every second.

Until now, human civilization has operated within a narrow, stable band of temperature. Through the burning of fossil fuels, we have now unmoored ourselves from our past, as if we have transplanted ourselves onto another planet. The last time it was hotter than now was at least125,000 years ago, while the atmosphere has more heat-trapping carbon dioxide in it than any time in the past two million years, perhaps more.

Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/ng-interactive/2021/oct/14/climate-change-happening-now-stats-graphs-maps-cop26

You might need to upgrade your browser before you look at the Guardian page, someone went to an impressive amount of effort to add all those interactive features. Though I’m not entirely sure how the picture of someone bathing an elephant fits into the mix.

As I sit on my chair, with a stomach full of home made roast chicken drumsticks, cauliflower cheese sauce, roast vegetables and spinach, I’m wondering when the climate apocalypse is going to make an appearance.

That chicken, I flavoured it with Salt, Sage, All Spice, Sumac and Garlic Powder. I don’t grow any of those herbs in my garden, someone prepared all the herbs in a factory, dried and ground them, and packaged them in neat little containers, so people like me can just try out them out, along with hundreds of other herbs in similar packages. The chicken came in neat plastic containers, ready to cook. I bought bulk chicken prepared by a machine, plucked, washed, neatly packaged. I didn’t grow the potatoes or cauliflower, or prepare the cheese, or grow the spinach, I just took ingredients from the local fruit and veg shop, combined them with ingredients from a discount supermarket which recently opened, threw it in the oven. The oven is powered by gas, so I didn’t have to gather firewood or prepare a fire. My kitchen workspace was illuminated by 200 watts equivalent of LED lighting, which costs pennies per day to run. Hot and cold water was available at the touch of a tap, along with other chemicals for cleaning, a bottle of cooking oil in a neat plastic container, and a tin of delicious chicken gravy powder I can’t believe I hadn’t tried – I bought it months ago, but I forgot about it, it just sat on a shelf waiting for me to notice it, and mix the perfect gravy to go with my home cooked chicken.

My wife had some mayonnaise with her meal. I’ve made home made mayonnaise, it takes 5 minutes with the aid of a food processor, just add a tablespoon of vinegar or lemon juice, a teaspoon of mustard powder, an egg, salt and pepper to taste, then slowly add a cup or so of canola oil one drop at a time while blitzing the mixture until it emulsifies and goes fluffy. The result is delicious, much better than store bought mayonnaise. I made some earlier this week to go with a delicious home made coleslaw salad. But tonight I was feeling lazy, so I squirted some store bought mayonnaise out of a plastic squeeze bottle I keep in the refrigerator on my wife’s plate.

There has never been an age like today, an age in which ordinary people could cook a nice meal, or order takeout if they can’t be bothered cooking, eat delicious food, watch TV, visit the Guardian website on their computer, and try to convince themselves they are experiencing some kind of disaster.

People who describe the unprecedented comfort and ease of modern life as a climate disaster, in my opinion have no idea what a real problem is.

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October 16, 2021 2:05 am

They are exhibiting the same attitude to fossil fuels as anti-vaxxers are showing towards vaccines.
It is the climate alarmists who are the nutty conspiracy theorists.

Robert Heath
Reply to  Stephen Wilde
October 16, 2021 2:36 am

Not at all. I am a retired physicist. Manmade climate change is a hoax. But I am also against these mRNA drugs, which are not vaccines in any sense. So I am an anti-non-vaxxer.

SxyxS
Reply to  Robert Heath
October 16, 2021 3:00 am

So you are anti-DNA-contamination?

What’s wrong with trading 20 years of life expectancy for a massive increase in strokes,seizures and transpeople?
That’s so Marxophob.

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MarkW
Reply to  SxyxS
October 16, 2021 7:45 am

These vaccines do not alter your DNA.

rah
Reply to  MarkW
October 16, 2021 3:29 pm

The mRNA takes messages from the DNA to the ribosomes of the cells to tell them what proteins to make. Your not changing genetics but changing the message there by altering the proteins the cells are producing.

But all that aside the real meat here to me is that these so called “mRNA vaccines” are not doing what they claim they would do. The efficacy is NOT nearly what we had been told it would be and there is absolutely no assurance that there will be no long term side effects.

Vaccinated or not vaccinated a person can still be a carrier. There are some studies now showing that the vaccinated actually carry a greater load than the unvaccinated. So when people claim that the unvaccinated are endangering others they are either lying or don’t know what they are talking about.

Paul of Alexandria
Reply to  rah
October 17, 2021 10:56 am

Also, it seems that the vaccines all concentrate on the “spikes” of the virus, which are one of four areas that antibodies can attack – and are the area that mutates fastest. The reason for all of the variants is simply selection against the vaccines!

rah
Reply to  MarkW
October 16, 2021 3:34 pm

Check out this video that highlights real efficacy compared to what was promised: A Masterful Video Highlights The Arc of the COVID Vaccine Efficacy Narrative in 2021 – The Last Refuge (theconservativetreehouse.com)

Concerning side effects? Here is the Pfizer contract with Albania to sell their vaccine in that country. Pfizer Contract : “long-term effects and efficacy of the Vaccine are not currently known” | Real Climate Science

I does not take an anvil to fall on my head. This trucker is not going to comply! PERIOD!

Duane
Reply to  Robert Heath
October 16, 2021 3:49 am

Dude – they’re vaccines. A vaccine is defined, and always has been defined, as substance when taken into a body causes that body to develop useful anti-bodies that recognize and destroy the targeted viruses. As a retiref physicist, you need to stay retired and try not to pretend that you know a g-d’d thing about medical science.

Rasa
Reply to  Duane
October 16, 2021 4:12 am

Exactly. Vaccines are not designed to stop you getting a disease.
It is designed to stop you getting very sick, being hospitalised or dying from that disease.
Vaccines work a treat. 👌

Philo
Reply to  Rasa
October 16, 2021 5:49 am

Conventional vaccines do “prevent” a disease from making you ill after getting a vaccine or contracting and surviving the particular disease.
Something like the MMR(measles, mumps,rubella) vaccine really does prevent you from getting more than an extremely mild, often un-noticed case. They also have been “built into” the immune system and rarely require booster shots, except in the case of rabies. If you get bitten by a rabid animal you almost always get a rabies “booster shot” just to be sure, because of the really nasty effects of rabies including almost certain a long, nasty bout before dying.

hiskorr
Reply to  Duane
October 16, 2021 4:31 am

“Medical science” used to say that a “vaccine” provided long-lasting “immunity” from infection and transmission of a disease, which the current vaxxes do not provide. Seems to me they are more like a “treatment” with unknown long-term side effects.

Duane
Reply to  hiskorr
October 16, 2021 5:48 pm

Bullshit. The most commonly taken vaccine is the flu vaccine, it’s immunity only lasts a year or less, and must be reinvented every year as new strains of the flu virus mutate. It is at most 50% effective in preventing disease. By that standard the approved COVID vaccines are vastly more effective at preventing disease as flu vaccines.

You anti vaxxers need to go eff yourselves- you do a vast amount of damage to humans with your lies and propaganda.

Reply to  Duane
October 16, 2021 6:14 pm

How many smallpox or polio boosters have you had?

LdB
Reply to  James Schrumpf
October 16, 2021 6:59 pm

That just a fact of lower mutation rate of the virus .. you need to do some more reading and understand basics.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Duane
October 17, 2021 7:14 am

go listen to robert malone, the md who invented mrna

bill Johnston
Reply to  hiskorr
October 17, 2021 8:10 am

Therefore they are deemed an “inoculation”.

Philo
Reply to  Duane
October 16, 2021 5:39 am

The natural vaccine response is very complicated and involves many facets of the immune response. One of those facets is the production of messenger RNA, a mirror image of a particular bit of DNA which moves out into the cell and acts as a template for the production of a particular protein. The protein produced can be any of a multitude of proteins in the body from a piece of a digestive enzyme to part of a sperm cell or brain cell, or a part of the larger immune system.
The immune system proteins build t cells, and a multitude of other cells and chemicals and proteins that form the immune system. A large fraction are control enzymes that keep the system from going out of control. Sometimes it makes a mistake and causes a disease such as hayfever, muscular dystrophy, and many other syndromes.

An mRNA vaccine skips much of that immune function and directly produces the active part of an antibody to a particular of protein in a particular virus.In the Covid case it is the “spike” protein that allows the virus to enter a cell.

The body normally cleans up any mRNA floating around and destroys it. So after a time any mRNA introduced by an mRNA vaccine disappears. It disappears much more quickly than conventional vaccines which build the vaccine function into the bodies immune system where is available for years.

The mRNA process vaccines can be developed more quickly and each has to be manufactured and delivered every time a virus appears for the first time or reappears later on. It gives a quicker response time of a more limited vaccine with potentially much higher profits.

SxyxS
Reply to  Philo
October 16, 2021 7:18 am

So it is a scam to force people into a lifetime long subscription

DMacKenzie
Reply to  SxyxS
October 16, 2021 7:51 am

You will eventually be exposed to real CoVid19…won’t get noticeably sick from it due to your mRNA shot….but your immune system will develop the template to fight the real thing….how long your immunity lasts as a result of mRNA vaxx or catching the real thing remains unknown due to insufficient history. Since about 1/4 of common cold viruses being various coronavirus, it doesn’t look good for long term immunity…2 or 3 years is likely…..
On the other hand, I hate colds so much, I would gladly get a vax every couple of years…..

Duane
Reply to  SxyxS
October 16, 2021 5:52 pm

Health maintenance is a lifetime subscription, period end of story.

LdB
Reply to  Duane
October 16, 2021 7:00 pm

Now there is a factual statement .. the trick is to keep breathing.

michael hart
Reply to  Philo
October 16, 2021 12:13 pm

A reasonable description, Philo.

Instead of injecting viral proteins or even a semi-denatured whole virus, an mRNA vaccine works by inducing a cell to make a little bit of a virus protein. For a very short time.

I was more than happy to take any of the current vaccines as soon as they were made available (twice so far). The risk/benefit equation is clear to me.

bill Johnston
Reply to  michael hart
October 17, 2021 8:15 am

The risk/benefit equation. What are the risks? so far, there have been clots, cardiac inflammation and other physiological anomalies. And since the long-term negative side effects and efficacy are as yet unknown, I will remain jab-free.

Duane
Reply to  Philo
October 16, 2021 5:51 pm

And after all your long winded obfuscation, the bottom line is that the approved COVID vaccines are the greatest success story for vaccines in human history, reducing the probability of dying from COVID to less than one in one million for those who are fully vaccinated, and the probability of even just a mild illness to less than one in twenty.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Duane
October 17, 2021 7:16 am

You are a liar. The question is, who are you relating these lies for?

Big Noodle
Reply to  Duane
October 19, 2021 3:36 pm

Absurd. The clot shot is the biggest disaster in medical history. The most vaccinated places have the worst outbreaks. And the majority of the dead and dying are vaxxed. With over 100K Americans dead from the shot, one wonders if maybe they should have tested it first. 🐑🐑🐑

huls
Reply to  Duane
October 16, 2021 9:14 am

Nope. Vaccines MUST by definition contain weakened or dead pathogens. None of these COVID-19 concontions do. Small wonder because Canadian, Australian and UK governments have admitted they do not have virus isolates.
If you don’t have that, you basically have nothing.

michael hart
Reply to  huls
October 16, 2021 12:20 pm

Nope. Not really. It MUST by definition contain,or induce, fragments of viral proteins that are able to be subsequently recognised by the immune system upon re-exposure at a later date.

Duane
Reply to  huls
October 16, 2021 5:53 pm

Nope – that is NOT the medical or common sense definition of a vaccine. A vaccine teaches one’s immune system how to fight off a targeted virus, period.

huls
Reply to  Duane
October 17, 2021 1:01 am

https://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/vaccine

You will find most medical definitions mentioning weak or dead pathogens. This is also how the practice of vaccination came about. So historically also correct.

The CDC keeps messing about with the definition of vaccine, The WHO messes about with the definition of herd immunity.
Do not fall for these WEF induced practices. Follow the science.

Paul of Alexandria
Reply to  Duane
October 17, 2021 11:04 am

What are the long term (years and decades) side effects? Given that mRNA vaccines are new, there’s no history. Indeed, there are reports of blood clots that are very concerning.

Reply to  Robert Heath
October 16, 2021 5:36 am

If they aren’t vaccines then my point remains valid. Most anti- vaxxers are against all vaccines. I also would prefer to see more caution about the mRNA technology but some of the stuff being said is plainly wrong.

Richard M
Reply to  Stephen Wilde
October 16, 2021 9:50 am

Not in my experience. Most of the people who are called anti-vaxxers support many different vaccines but are against both combining vaccines in poorly tested manners and pushing untested vaccines.

Pamela Matlack-Klein
Reply to  Robert Heath
October 16, 2021 6:56 am

I am absolutely with you Robert! I have no problem being vaccinated with something that will actually prevent a nasty disease but these so-called vaccines that can mess with our DNA are a different story. A good friend just announced that she can get a booster now and is thrilled at the prospect. I, on the other hand, am concerned that it will kill her!

DMacKenzie
Reply to  Pamela Matlack-Klein
October 16, 2021 8:02 am

All viruses “mess” with your DNA when they take over your cells’ machinery to replicate….and you are naturally exposed to several every week that Mother Nature didn’t bother to test on 60,000 volunteers in a lab study….your chances of being killed by the mRna vax booster is about the same as your chances of being killed in a car accident sometime next week (assuming you don’t take unnecessary driving risks).

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huls
Reply to  DMacKenzie
October 16, 2021 9:18 am

Nope. They do nothing with YOUR dna. Virusses hijack the cell’s machinery to replicate the VIRUS’s dna. Very different scenario.

michael hart
Reply to  huls
October 16, 2021 12:28 pm

Some retro-viruses do mess with your DNA, but that is not really relevant to this topic.

The key point is, that an mRNA vaccine introduces a very short lived intermediate into the cell’s machinery, causing it to make viral proteins, instead of injecting the proteins directly into the cell itself.

Robert Hanson
Reply to  Pamela Matlack-Klein
October 16, 2021 4:07 pm

Because of course you know so many people who died as a result of getting the vaccine. Right?

I’m going to go way out on a limb here, and guess you don’t know of a single person who died as a result of getting one of the vaccines. And no, someone who is 96 years old, in a nursing home, with incurable cancel who died after getting the jab doesn’t count.

I just can’t get my head around the fact that so many people posting here who are totally immune to the fear that we are all going to die from AGW, are so certain we are all going to die from the Wuhan vaccine.

Reply to  Robert Hanson
October 16, 2021 6:18 pm

I don’t know anyone who died of Covid, either. What was your point again?

Pamela Matlack-Klein
Reply to  Robert Hanson
October 17, 2021 2:19 am

No, I actually don’t know anyone who has died of the jab. But I also don’t know anyone who has died of covid or even been sick! Because of this I made the informed decision not to get an experimental jab. There are several treatments available that seem to be working well in India and everywhere else they have been used. The needless panic over a virus that is no worse than seasonal flu or a bad cold does not justify injecting an unknown but potentially dangerous substance into one’s body.

From what I have observed over the past 19 months, the entire reaction to this virus has been way over the top. Once again models predicting an enormous death toll have been used to stampede world governments into shutting down their economies and subjecting their citizens to unspeakable restrictions, all in the name of keeping them safe. Most of the people on this list do agree that models are NOT data but constructs that are designed to get the answers desired, GIGO. That models were being used to justify lockdowns and masks should have been the first clue we were being hoaxed.

Many of the deaths attributed to covid were caused by overly-enthusiastic use of ventilators. That, combined with fear generated by drum-beating media and government caused a lot of people to stop thinking and just panic. A much more helpful response would have been to encourage everyone to stay calm and improve their immune systems. The lessons learned from the Diamond Princess were ignored and fake videos from China of people dropping dead in the street and houses being welded shut were given credence.

In the immortal words of Douglas Adams, DON’T PANIC and always have a towel.,,,

Big Noodle
Reply to  Robert Hanson
October 19, 2021 3:40 pm

Hank Aaron, Marvin Hagler, the 46,000 dead reported by Medicare?? For a start.

huls
Reply to  Stephen Wilde
October 16, 2021 2:53 am

DO NOT FEED THE TROLL !!

observa
Reply to  huls
October 16, 2021 4:21 am

Well to be fair I’ll listen to what Dr Robert Malone has to say about mRNA vaccines and I don’t like the way they shut him down. I also don’t like the way any criticisms of particular vaccines and their efficacy means you’re an anti-vaxxer end of story and no further correspondence will be entered into.

Howsabout trying this for size- Any woman pre-menopause should only be vaccinated with AstraZeneca and not mRNA vaccines and ditto males under 40 just for the precautionary principle.

How do you feel about a ban on employment unless you’ve had your annual Govt approved flu shot every year because flu kills?

Where have I heard that thinking before?

How are we doing with all those silver bullet antibiotics by the way? Any problems you can think of?

I want to listen to all the Devil’s Advocates thanks.

huls
Reply to  observa
October 16, 2021 9:27 am

The Troll is using an old debate trick, a logical fallacy. The troll equates scepticism of Human activity induced catastrophic climate change with claims about negative effect form COVID-19 vaccins.
In reality nobody has made that equation and there are no grounds for it because they are such different things.
The troll hopes to incite people comment because of his debate trick.
So far he is succeeding.

Reply to  huls
October 16, 2021 10:16 am

I made no comment about COVID 19 vaccines. Others weighed in with that.
My point is that being anti vaccination is similar to being anti fossil fuels. Both belief systems are contrary to the real world evidence.
How can many people be anti fossil fuels whilst at the same time demonising those who are anti vaccines.
Both groups are much the same.
Fossil fuels have brought vast benefits to mankind as have vaccines.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Stephen Wilde
October 16, 2021 3:15 pm

My point is that being anti vaccination is similar to being anti fossil fuels.

No, that is incorrect. You’ve offered a false analogy … an informal logical fallacy. There is little similarity between the two discussions and where they are similar is irrelevant. Even the term “climate change” is a logical fallacy.

It is entirely unreasonable to be “anti fossil fuels”. The AGW belief (myth) has no supporting evidence. However a person can be in favour of properly tested and effective vaccines, while remaining skeptical of the sort of experimental treatments they are trying to force on the public to curb SARS CoV2.

You’re comparing an irrational belief to a rational response to the safety of a whole list of unknowns. Many people are simply taking the “covid” injections on blind (irrational) faith that “authorities” have no harmful intentions. The other fallacy is that we have been fully informed so that we can have informed consent.

Reply to  Rory Forbes
October 17, 2021 12:40 am

You have jumped to COVID again which I was not referring to.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Stephen Wilde
October 17, 2021 12:57 am

Of course you were referring to covid, but being typically disingenuous. It’s the only vaccinations anyone is interested presently. I merely corrected your logic.

Reply to  Rory Forbes
October 18, 2021 2:57 am

I was thinking of MMR vaccines and Andrew Wakefield. Up above I expressed mr reservation about mRNA technology.

michael hart
Reply to  observa
October 16, 2021 12:39 pm

“How are we doing with all those silver bullet antibiotics by the way? Any problems you can think of?”

I can think of someone whose PhD research was published in the Journal of Medicinal Chemistry but unable to gain employment because it is more fashionable to fund global-warming frauds. I can design you a new antibiotic in a matter of days (how well it works would need testing, of course)

A lot of those jobs may have moved to China anyway, but I still think it is better to support people trying to address real problems, rather than pseudo-scientists whose main job appears to be claiming that the sky is falling in.

TonyG
Reply to  observa
October 17, 2021 10:12 am

“I also don’t like the way any criticisms of particular vaccines and their efficacy means you’re an anti-vaxxer end of story and no further correspondence will be entered into.”

“Anti-vaxxer” = “Denier”. Both are labels that are used in the same manner.

October 16, 2021 2:10 am

So these people at the grauniad don’t think we have had ice ages in the past and recovered from them, idiots beyond belief.

SxyxS
Reply to  Neil Catto
October 16, 2021 2:50 am

Who is the idiot ?
The one who is calling a paid propandist an idiot.
Or the bold lying person that makes others believe he is an idiot ?

Anthony Banton
Reply to  Neil Catto
October 16, 2021 5:27 am

What was the sum total of human civilisation during the last ice age?
And why is it comparable to the 7+ bn people on the planet now (in your mind)?

Redge
Reply to  Anthony Banton
October 16, 2021 6:41 am

Cold temperatures kill a lot more people than hot temperatures

We have fossil fuels to thank the winter toll is not higher than it is

starzmom
Reply to  Redge
October 16, 2021 6:54 am

Cold temperatures also result in poor harvests, so those who don’t die of the cold may well die of starvation before the next year’s crop can grow.

Ben Vorlich
Reply to  Redge
October 16, 2021 7:04 am

There aren’t many locations on the globe where we, the naked ape, can survive all year round without heat and shelter. There aren’t many places where we can survive with heat, shelter and clothes.

In times past we had a much more clement climate but still needed the shelter, heat and clothes during the year.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Anthony Banton
October 16, 2021 7:49 am

The takeaway is, that warmer is better. Humans flourished once the glacial ended.

Robert Hanson
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
October 16, 2021 4:17 pm

Lets see, which is better for humans, the Roman Warm Period, or the Dark Ages, take your pick, when would you prefer to live? And let’s be real, Caligula had nothing to do with the Climate.

MarkW
Reply to  Anthony Banton
October 16, 2021 7:54 am

I agree with you that cold would be very bad for all of us.
A warmer world is a healthier world.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  MarkW
October 16, 2021 3:26 pm

A warmer world is a healthier world.

We’re already enjoying the multitude of benefits from the tiny increases in temperature, as we are benefiting from the increased CO2, regardless of provenance.

Pamela Matlack-Klein
Reply to  Rory Forbes
October 17, 2021 2:49 am

And is our world really all that much warmer? I’ve been around long enough to have seen snow fall in Tampa, Florida and vineyards freeze in France. Warmists claiming we are all going to burn up because of a “heat wave” of 28C that lasted a few days are clearly out of touch with the real world and need to get out of their climate-controlled homes. I’ve worked in the field in a large range of temperatures, both uncomfortably cold and hot at times. But it is all weather, stick around long enough and it changes.

This extra CO2 is definitely a good thing, IMO, and I have not yet been shown a down-side. Temperature changes measured in tenths and hundredths of degrees are meaningless, the human body can’t detect such minuscule differences. But our eyes are capable of noticing more robust plant growth. We can easily see how areas formerly devoid of plant growth are greening up in the satellite photos, Can anyone claim that this is a bad thing? We should be rejoicing that harvests are bigger and deserts are greener.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Pamela Matlack-Klein
October 17, 2021 10:02 am

You know, Pamela, it’s almost as if you’ve taken a page out of my own playbook. I have been trying to convince people of every one of your points for the past 30 years or more. Humanity has never been better off by almost any metric you want to use … except the ability to tell the Emperor to go put some clothes on.

“Experts” moan and gnash their teeth over 2 tenths of a degree in a decade (smaller than the margin of error for the measuring equipment). An SLR of ~ two millimeters annually is the end of the world and they publish photo-shopped images of coastal cities being flooded.

The messages offered by the media are so absurd to skeptics you wonder how an intelligent person can say such rot with a straight face. This whole goat rodeo has become the Theater of the Absurd. The stupid is so obvious it’s enough to make a grown man weep.

Pamela Matlack-Klein
Reply to  Rory Forbes
October 17, 2021 10:25 am

Same here, Rory. Life has never been so good for humans but there are still nitwits who just don’t get it. It’s too bad we can’t send them back in time a few centuries to sample the delights of the Little Ice Age….

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Pamela Matlack-Klein
October 17, 2021 11:01 am

It’s too bad we can’t send them back in time a few centuries

Hell … I’d be satisfied sending them back to just my childhood. There’s a reason why old farts like me rarely get on board with globalists and progressives. The standard for poverty in the US now is: only one 72″ flat screen and the kids must share a phone plan.

Pamela Matlack-Klein
Reply to  Rory Forbes
October 17, 2021 12:42 pm

Most people in the US have no idea what it is like to live in poverty. They need to visit a few countries where people are living hand to mouth and see what it is like. No cable TV, no mobile phones, no food sometimes….

TonyG
Reply to  Pamela Matlack-Klein
October 17, 2021 1:04 pm

Most people in the US have no idea what it is like to live in poverty.

SO true. I know poverty US style. Even at my poorest ($640/month gross in early 90’s SoCal , supporting two) I still had a home, a television, stove, bed, etc.. Plenty of modern comforts.

That was living like a king compared to the truly poor of the world.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  TonyG
October 17, 2021 2:01 pm

Real poverty is when your next meal is in doubt, starvation is only days away and even drinkable water is a scarce luxury. Personal possessions aren’t even in the picture. But that sort of extreme want is becoming scarcer in this bountiful world.

We should be rejoicing at our success, not tearing our hair over a non-existent crisis from occasionally bad weather.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Pamela Matlack-Klein
October 17, 2021 2:06 pm

When cutting back on junk foods and recreational drugs is seen as hardship and a criterion for social assistance, you know there’s something wrong with the values.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Anthony Banton
October 16, 2021 3:22 pm

The amazing thing about your group is the quantum of raw belief based on so little empirical evidence (none). Your position is the epitome of bad science .. titled cargo cult science by Richard Feynman.

Those nearly 8 billion people, in the main, have never been as well off, long lived and prosperous in all of human history, or before fossil fuels and industrialization.

Abolition Man
Reply to  Anthony Banton
October 16, 2021 9:58 pm

AB,
Any early human civilizations would have been located along major rivers and ocean coasts due to the food abundance there! We know of early civilization along the Tigris and Euphrates rivers, but any coastal settlements would be under 100 meters of seawater or so!
The Mayan civilization was almost erased from existence in about 1,000 years due to encroaching jungle! Why would small towns or cities along the Ganges, Indus, Congo, Mekong, or any other large tropical river fare any better? Another question to consider; why does virtually every early human culture and religion have tales of a great flood? I’m sure it has nothing to do with a 120 meter rise in sea level over the first 12,000 years of the current interglacial! Maybe it was caused by heavy rainstorms due Stone Age SUVs!

Editor
Reply to  Neil Catto
October 16, 2021 8:03 am

“The world has already heated up by around 1.2C, on average, since the preindustrial era, pushing humanity beyond almost all historical boundaries. Cranking up the temperature of the entire globe this much within little more than a century is, in fact, extraordinary…”

Who knew that the preindustrial era only started around 1920?

I thought is was around 1680 or 1750 depending on different definitions of industrial processes or mechanisms. We have warmed out of the Little Ice age which dominated part of that era. Surely we should be grateful for that, not disappointed that we are not still freezing our socks off?

tonyb

gbaikie
Reply to  tonyb
October 16, 2021 8:34 pm

I always regarded the term preindustrial era to be rather unscientific term.
Goggling it, I get BBC defining it as:
“Scientists are seeking to define a new baseline from which to measure global temperatures – a time when fossil-fuel burning had yet to change the climate. At the moment, researchers tend to use the period 1850-1900, and this will often be described as “pre-industrial”. Jan 25, 2017

It seems to me the most significant industrial process was the printing of books – which goes back quite a ways.

Wiki defines: Pre-industrial society “refers to social attributes and forms of political and cultural organization that were prevalent before the advent of the Industrial Revolution, which occurred from 1750 to 1850. Pre-industrial refers to a time before there were machines and tools to help perform tasks en masse. Pre-industrial civilization dates back to centuries ago, but the main era known as the pre-industrial society occurred right before the industrial society.”
Or before big cities formed and technology that allowed large cities to more habitable.
Of course we now suppose to be in post industrial society or some other stupid idea. But I don’t think we even really begun our industrial age- it is not even global, yet, not sure will become global. But printing press was important machine, electricity has significant {and used many machines} and fairly recently we made the rocket engine, which might lead into the space age. And though one will “industrial activity” when we are spacefaring civilization, it seems it become more of background activity issue, rather necessity to claw out of the world’s history of poverty.

Steve Case
October 16, 2021 2:10 am

They’ve turned the rhetoric up to eleven.

October 16, 2021 2:20 am

If the End of the World did actually occur, would these dumb eco-Loons even notice that they had been terminated?

rah
Reply to  nicholas tesdorf
October 16, 2021 2:35 am

They can’t even recognize that they’ve been voting for termination of their way of life.

fretslider
Reply to  rah
October 16, 2021 4:53 am

IPCRESS. 100% effective

Abolition Man
Reply to  rah
October 16, 2021 7:53 am

rah,
The alarmist meditation mantra: “Whip me, beat me, lock me in chains!”
The really sad part is that most Gretatards are too stupid to even realize!

Redge
Reply to  nicholas tesdorf
October 16, 2021 6:44 am

The end of the world will be in a few billion years by which time our ancestors will be dining at The Restaurant at the End of Universe

Tom Halla
October 16, 2021 2:34 am

The Grauniad is either using some unnamed source, or simply fantasizing, but “the warmest in 125 thousand years”? That is so ignorant it must come from one of the climate change intelligencia.

Philo
Reply to  Tom Halla
October 16, 2021 6:04 am

Don’t get too worried. They don’t know what they are talking about. Most of it is based on ice cores that provide interesting data but have a lot of unknowns bundled in. Such as various molecules and atoms probably wander around long after they are buried deep in the glacier. They also wander around during the 75-100+ years the snow is compacting into ice.

Redge
Reply to  Tom Halla
October 16, 2021 6:46 am

The claim is in the 6th SPM, so the term “intelligensia” is a misnomer

Gary Pearse
Reply to  Tom Halla
October 16, 2021 6:57 am

“…warmest in 125,000yrs…”

There is a white spruce stump dated at 5000yrs old, still rooted, standing some hundreds of meters from the Arctic coast of NW Canada at Tuktuyaktuk. The same species of spruce is to be found a few 100kms south of Tuk at the treeline. For a living w. spruce of the size of the Tuk tree, you have to go further south to where the avg T~+10°C warmer than at Tuk.

Given Arctic amplification, which is 2 times the average global T anomaly, gives a global T that is approx. 5°C warmer than it is today, 5000yrs ago. Tell me, how else you can explain the “anomalous” Tuk tree? No other argument is needed to falsify the Anthropo Crisis Global Warming silliness and it is deducible to a 10yr old, never mind those of establishment scientists.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/04/12/inconvenient-stumps/

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AndyHce
Reply to  Gary Pearse
October 16, 2021 1:33 pm

Since the far north had considerably more summer insolation 5000 years ago, due to the constant precession of obliquity, comparisons of today to that time period do not seem like a very good argument. However, the fact that 1000 and 2000 year old tree remains are frequently uncovered by glacial retreat, and those remains are hundreds of feet above the current tree line or hundreds of kilometers north of where such trees can grow today, is further evidence the last two warming periods (Medieval and Roman) were significantly warmer than today. Also, in many locations, old pollen and plant remains, dated the same 1000 and 2000 years ago, are also far north of where those species grow today, is additional evidence.

Reply to  AndyHce
October 16, 2021 8:52 pm

Precession of obliquity? What do you smoke?

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Tom Halla
October 16, 2021 3:32 pm

They are now beginning to start the erosion of the science which established the Holocene. They have removed the Medieval Warm Period (in their own minds). Now it’s necessary to remove the rest of the Holocene interglacial cooling. On a geological time scale, all the evidence points to general cooling of the planet as a lead up to termination of this interglacial. The Holocene Thermal Optimum is well understood to have been much warmer than the present. That must be cancelled.

Tom Halla
Reply to  Rory Forbes
October 16, 2021 3:51 pm

Given how reactionary the green blob is, the recent past must be regarded as perfect, rather than a partial recovery from a rather disastrous cold spell.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Tom Halla
October 16, 2021 4:00 pm

Bingo … you just one the door prize for this thread.

Who on gawd’s green Earth wants to live in an ice age that affects the most populated places on the planet? Hell, our interglacial is already long in the tooth for an interglacial during a period where the default condition is ice where we now reside.

Dave Andrews
Reply to  Rory Forbes
October 17, 2021 7:28 am

If weekly-rise were here he would derny that there had ever been an ice age because the vast majority of the planet was not covered in ice sheets!

Dave Andrews
Reply to  Dave Andrews
October 17, 2021 7:29 am

deny not demy

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Dave Andrews
October 17, 2021 10:12 am

BTW … you can edit your post within a few minutes of posting. Just hover the cursor near the bottom right corner or the dialogue box and click the wheel. The edit button will appear.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Dave Andrews
October 17, 2021 10:10 am

What is more, he certainly wouldn’t accept that we’re presently enjoying a brief window of warmth in an ice age merely paused before the next freeze-up.

Warming isn’t our enemy. It’s our salvation.

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Vincent
October 16, 2021 2:35 am

“The last time it was hotter than now was at least 125,000 years ago”

I doubt that is true. However, if it were true, our ancient ancestors were obviously able to survive and evolve in such a hot environment. So what’s the problem?

Could the problem be that most modern humans live in an artificial, controlled world, in fixed locations such as offices, laboratories, condominiums, housing estates, motor cars, and so on, and are largely separated from nature?

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  Vincent
October 16, 2021 6:49 am

As someone who has worked outdoors for the past 50 years as a forester in Massachusetts- I enjoy the trivially warmer and wetter weather- shorter winters, longer growing season and this past summer my lawn and garden and especially my apple and pear trees never did so well. The fruit trees were so productive that the branches bent to the ground with the heavy weight of fruit. Here in Mass. there are far too many climatistas- when I hear them scream about the climate “catastrophe” I want to slap them and kick their asses- but being an old hippy, I refrain.

Pamela Matlack-Klein
Reply to  Vincent
October 16, 2021 7:09 am

It was warmer than today during the MWP, warmer still during the Roman Warm, and still warmer during the Minoan warm. Humans love it when it is warm, why else do so many of us migrate to warmer climes on holiday or permanently? The modest warming we have experienced since the end of the Little Ice Age is great but it is not much when compared to previous warm periods. We are all being constantly threatened with significant warming but it hasn’t happened yet. Am I the only one who feels cheated?

Abolition Man
Reply to  Pamela Matlack-Klein
October 16, 2021 8:13 am

Pamela,
I personally yearn for the days of the Eocene Thermal Maximum, when global temps were at least ten degrees warmer than at present! Imagine wearing shorts year round in northern Canada! I realize it would be an inconvenience for most polar adapted species, but at the time they probably hadn’t evolved yet, so they’ll just have to make the best of it!
Of course, any reasonably intelligent person knows that there aren’t enough fossil fuels to reach that target; we’re just going to have to continue to muddle on through the current Ice Age until we develop the technology to actually warm our planet! If we could just stop wasting blood and treasure on this infantile Climate Apocalypse hysteria, then maybe we could get back to the important things and leave Lysenko, moldering in his grave!

Climate believer
October 16, 2021 2:55 am

1- nobody cares what the champagne socialists of the Guardian twitterati think.
2- their ridiculous extremist rhetoric excludes them from the debate.
3- example: “five Hiroshima atomic bombs dropping into the water every second.”
4- example: “unprecedented pain and turmoil caused by the climate crisis”.
5- example: “transplanted ourselves onto another planet.”

The fake news media in full swing, hand in hand with the high priests of scientism, disgraceful.

AndyHce
Reply to  Climate believer
October 16, 2021 1:35 pm

Many people appear to believe them.

huls
October 16, 2021 2:55 am

OK. So it was warmer 125.000 years ago. How did that happen? What were the consequences? How much CO2 was thee in the atmosphere then?

Christ how can these people be this stupid.

Disputin
Reply to  huls
October 16, 2021 3:13 am

…how can these people be this stupid

It’s easy. First, ensure that you don’t listen anyone outside the echo-chamber. Then listen to everyone inside it.

Ron Long
Reply to  Disputin
October 16, 2021 3:34 am

Good comment, Disputin. This echo-chamber problem is on full display every day. Take a stiff drink and watch CNN, they always invite someone to interview that they already know has the same opinion as the interviewer, and they then participate in a spirited echo-chamber contest to see who can push the message furthest from reality, but in line with their peers thinking. I remember reading about someone in Hollywood, California, saying “how did Regan win the Presidency, I don’t know anyone that voted for him”. This was an admission of living in an echo-chamber, they probably didn’t know anyone that voted for Regan, who won easily.

Robert Hanson
Reply to  Ron Long
October 16, 2021 4:30 pm

Ok, good point, except that quote is from Pauline Kael, who wrote for the New Yorker, referring to Nixon’s election. But your point about the MSM “echo-chamber” is spot on.

TonyG
Reply to  Ron Long
October 17, 2021 10:35 am

“they always invite someone to interview that they already know has the same opinion as the interviewer”

And just watch their reactions when that someone strays from the narrative!

Serge Wright
October 16, 2021 3:20 am

For those true believing climate alarmists, I suggest booking in for assisted dying ASAP to ensure a peaceful exit, to avoid the painful scorching and drowning. You know the end is now because you read it in the Guardian, so best to exit on your own terms, preferably before COP 26.

Redge
Reply to  Serge Wright
October 16, 2021 6:49 am

 I suggest booking in for assisted dying ASAP

What about their carbon footprint – what sort of legacy would that leave 😉

Robert Hanson
Reply to  Redge
October 16, 2021 4:31 pm

It would end it right away.

Rod Evans
October 16, 2021 3:37 am

Its the Guardian, do what all sane sensible thinking people do. Just ignore it.

Captain climate
October 16, 2021 3:40 am

Guardian readers get off on confirmation bias. But mass delusion has to end sometime. Maybe it will be another cold winter or maybe the pause goes on for another few years. Or most likely, the guaranteed disaster of trying to go carbon free by 2050 will make people question the narrative.

Philo
Reply to  Captain climate
October 16, 2021 6:10 am

According to the solar scientists we have at least another 20 years of the current, almost sunspotless sun before the earth’s temperature MAY start to rise. We are likely going into a new glaciation in the near future, say 5000 years or so.

Robert Hanson
Reply to  Captain climate
October 16, 2021 4:33 pm

I’d say that’s logical, if I didn’t know about Venezuela and North Korea. 🙁

fretslider
October 16, 2021 3:48 am

“Through the burning of fossil fuels, we have now unmoored ourselves from our past“

You have to be mentally ill to be a Guardian journalist, or reader for that matter

richard
October 16, 2021 3:53 am

So unlivable that the world’s population is increasing a million a week with the majority in the far hotter third world countries.

I’m betting those Guardian writers travel to far hotter countries for their holidays.

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Duane
October 16, 2021 3:56 am

But you see, if you want to take over a group of people – be it a club, a union, a school board, a local government, or a national government – against the will of the majority of the people, then you have to manufacture a “crisis” that demands “action” that only you can deliver, if they’d just let you take over for a little while. That is the oldest human social trick of all.

Hitler used it, Caeser used it, Lenin used it, Castro used it.

Fear is the great motivator used for thousands of years by dictators throughout human history. In many instances, the dictators had actual crises to respond to. In other cases, they manufactured a crisis, or took a temporary challenge and convinced enough people that the temporary challenge was really a crisis.

These doofuses are no different.

The measure of the success of a wannabe dictator selling fear is how good of a job they do in selling the “crisis” – the need for immediate “action” that they and only they can deliver.

Mr.
Reply to  Duane
October 16, 2021 6:54 am

Yes.
General Custer got the crisis setup right, but he flunked the solution phase.

Very much like what’s happening with the “climate crisis”.

And history will treat the climate proponents as it does Custer.

Rasa
October 16, 2021 4:08 am

Hayhoe is a Ho.

Redge
Reply to  Rasa
October 16, 2021 6:51 am

Come on, Rasa, play the ball not the (wo)man.

Mods?

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Redge
October 16, 2021 3:40 pm

It is well within proper English to refer to people, using that term, when they have abandoned their principles (and knowledge) by prostituting themselves to a cause or ideology.

Stop caving in to the Karens and cancel culture. What Hayhoe is doing is not nice and is extremely damaging to our world.

fretslider
October 16, 2021 4:32 am

The old world ended when governments learned how to use public health as a means of controlling populations and removing freedoms at the stroke of a ministerial pen – 2020

As they said at the time, China did lockdown but they didn’t think they could get away with it

One of the most vocal callers for the new authoritarianism was The Guardian

Without its sales to the BBC they’d be on the floor

Smart Rock
October 16, 2021 4:37 am

The Guardian used to be a real newspaper I know, I used to read it.

fretslider
Reply to  Smart Rock
October 16, 2021 4:54 am

Back in the 60s and 70s

Sara
October 16, 2021 5:02 am

Earth is already becoming unlivable. – article

I have asked several questions before, e.g.:

1 – Are these people living on the same planet I’m on?
2 – Does even one of them know how active this planet is in reality?
3 – Does even one of them venture into the real world, the touchy – feely – looky, looky – smell the roses world that the rest of us are part of?
4 – Are any of these people discussing their dysphoria with a shrink or some other licensed professional like a veterinarian? (OK, I haven’t asked that before, but….)

Reality:

A – On MY continent, there is a cold front carrying FROST/FREEZE warnings heading my way, in a giant curve from Canada down to the OK/TX northern border. This is when I do sincerely wish I had a working woodburning fireplace, so that I could enjoy that when the wind howls around the chimney. It also has me wondering if I should stock more ice cream and caramel sauce for a turtle sundae. (Vanilla ice cream top with caramel sauce, chopped nuts and chocolate chips. Use a spoon.)

B – This past week, I’ve seen several small flocks of geese in the mornings heading slightly southwest, a NORMAL migration pattern. Haven’t seen any ducks yet, but they may be west of me. If I get up early enough, sometimes I can catch them flying right over my little house. I consider that a particular privilege afforded me by them.

C – We’ve been having rain daily, off & on all day, every cotton-pickin’ day since March, with the modest exception of 14 days in August, and then it started raining again. Temps have been in the mid to low 50s at night and mid 60s to low 70s all summer, except for those two dry weeks in August. The pot of catnip refused to grow until last week, and the thyme and oregano held back until the first week in October. They normally set leaves in the Spring. Their inborn “clocks” that tell them when to sprout and grow were thrown off by this weather cycle. And it is weather. If it is going to happen again next year, I will be better prepared for it.

D – I expect the snow to fly early this year, especially since I have photos with DATED files that inform the camera user of when those photos were taken. Also have that on my phone’s camera: when and what time of day.
Mid-April snow on my front steps used to be a phenomenon. Now it seems to be a regular thing. Early snow (October) is no longer a phenomenon, but I still record it.

E – Anyone who says the Earth is dying needs to spend some quality time out in the prairies and grasslands and woodlands like I do, in the prairie areas around here, the swamps and lakes that are potholes left over from the last ice sheets that came this way and are popular fishing and boating spots, and snap out of it. Those people are, in my personal view, borderline psych-somethings if they refuse to have anything to do with the real world outside the walls of their :”safe space”. Denial of reality is their real problem. I will be happy to take those bozos on a prolonged hike down the River Trail. They might learn something…. or they might go home and have a tantrum because reality (the Planet is FINE!) conflicts with their angst-ridden misconceptions. Poor things!!!

As the late, great George Carlin said: The PLANET is fine. The people are f——d.

Thank you for listening to my rant.

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fretslider
Reply to  Sara
October 16, 2021 5:59 am

1 – Are these people living on the same planet I’m on?

Highly unlikely. Best guess, they’re on Golgafrinchan.

2 – Does even one of them know how active this planet is in reality? Consider this:

“How climate change triggers earthquakes, tsunamis and volcanoes.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/16/climate-change-triggers-earthquakes-tsunamis-volcanoes

3 – Does even one of them venture into the real world – See 1…

“Hundreds Of Staff At The Guardian Have Signed A Letter To The Editor Criticising Its “Transphobic Content”

“The pattern of publishing transphobic content has interfered with our work and cemented our reputation as a publication hostile to trans rights and trans employees.”

https://www.buzzfeed.com/patrickstrudwick/guardian-staff-trans-rights-letter

If only we could persuade Elon Musk to build a ‘B’ Ark….

Redge
Reply to  fretslider
October 16, 2021 6:54 am

He’d be ‘B’ Ark..ing mad

fretslider
Reply to  Redge
October 16, 2021 7:03 am

But he would be helping mankind…

Pflashgordon
Reply to  Sara
October 16, 2021 6:26 am

Nice rant, Sara.

Urban liberals / regressives live in 100% built environment bubbles and have no clue from where their food, shelter, and energy come. They wouldn’t know a goose if it bit them in the patootie. Getting back to nature means stretching in their yogie pants under a potted plant in front of an exercise video screen.

Those who eschew fossil fuels and modern conveniences should look at a world map of the agricultural workforce, because that is where they will be if they support the CAGW / net-zero fantasy, if they survive at all. In 1860, 48% of the U.S. population worked in agriculture, compared to <0.7% today. And work they did! Hard, mostly manual labor. Everyone worked, from children to the elderly, irrespective of race or sex, much like many African countries still today.

It should seem odd to them that all of their climate protests are held in large cities. You don’t see folks who live close to nature organizing “save the planet” rallies.

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Abolition Man
Reply to  Sara
October 16, 2021 8:32 am

Sara, great rant!
You brought to mind my youthful days, when I was a wannabe stupid hippie! I know, redundant!
I tried to help out a friend’s brother, who was a heroin addict, by taking him to the beach! He could NOT relax or get comfortable in any way, and begged to be taken back to the city!
Our dear little SJW climate warriors are in much the same boat; addicted to their “smart” devices, with brains infected with parasitic thoughts and propaganda! They are not comfortable with Nature except in the small, rationed doses they receive from their cable or the Internet!

Sara
Reply to  Abolition Man
October 16, 2021 9:00 am

I knew people like that in the 1960s and 1970s. They lived mentally in some kind of “dream” world that was “like the Shire” but didn’t want to actually go “there”. It was scary with all the “bugs” and slithering things (earthworms, very necessary to fertile soil) and food that you had to harvest yourself.
Me, I enjoyed getting paid to buck bales of hay and straw onto the wagons and going to the grain elevator to get feed for the critters. I’m guessing that I’ve already outlived most of those people, as you have done.
There is hope, no matter what.

Abolition Man
Reply to  Sara
October 16, 2021 11:13 am

Sara,
I fondly remember digging earthworms out of the kitchen compost heap to go fishing at my uncle’s cattle ranch! Using a couple of hay hooks to stack bales in the pole barn was about the best workout I ever had; at least until I tried martial arts and powerlifting!
Now I believe that grasshoppers should become a major foodsource…FOR TROUT! Me, I’ll stick with a steak or prime rib; especially after the round up!

Sara
Reply to  Sara
October 16, 2021 8:55 am

Let me add here that I have read the comments thus far below and want to thank you all for making it clear that you have some common sense and a sense of reality.

You do give me hope.

AndyHce
Reply to  Sara
October 16, 2021 1:43 pm

Or another echo chamber?

Sara
Reply to  AndyHce
October 16, 2021 4:43 pm

Hardly an echo chamber, AH.

AndyHce
Reply to  Sara
October 16, 2021 6:55 pm

Sara
I see that evidence does not support the catastrophe and much of what the mainstream blathers about is nonsense but I also see many posts here that appear to be simple repeating of slogans from the other side, without any real grasp of meaning.

Abolition Man
Reply to  AndyHce
October 16, 2021 10:25 pm

Andy,
Could you be more specific? I find many interesting and well educated commenters to learn from here; maybe you should not repeat unverified slogans!

Robert Hanson
Reply to  AndyHce
October 16, 2021 4:58 pm

Nope, all sorts of perspectives posted here, from vaxer/anti-vaxer, to anti-AGW to pro-climate Scientologist. And while not all perspectives are considered equal, thank God, no one is cancelled. If you want a echo chamber, you need to check out MSNBC and the Guardian.

Sweet Old Bob
Reply to  Sara
October 16, 2021 11:03 am

“This is when I do sincerely wish I had a working woodburning fireplace, so that I could enjoy that when the wind howls around the chimney.”

A woodstove , especially one with provision for direct use of outside air, would be even better!
(grew up using wood heat . and our last stove was of that type .. best stove we ever had )

John V. Wright
Reply to  Sweet Old Bob
October 16, 2021 2:18 pm

Absolutely Sweet OB! I have a chainsaw, log splitter and long-handled axe – and our wood-burning stove gets us through the toughest Staffordshire winters, keeping our house warm and toast ie. And I love sourcing the wood (big logs, smaller logs, sometimes whole tree trunks) sequencing the storage, drying and cutting of our supplies and building the fires in our stove. My father used to tell me “Good wood warms twice – once when you cut it and again when you burn it”.

Daniel Skipp
Reply to  Sara
October 16, 2021 11:16 am

Clearly you are not an ecologist. Your hiking observations in the USA don’t qualify as science. In reality, actually scientifically measured numbers, globally biodiversity and many fauna populations are crashing, habitats shrinking and ecosystems collapsing. In the UK where I live insect and bird populations have crashed and continue to dive towards to extinction. Chemical and radiation pollution continues to rise, causing cancer rates to continue to rise and sperm counts to continue to fall. Life on planet Earth is NOT fine. Humans are killing themselves and their environment. Egomania is a helluva drug.

Pflashgordon
Reply to  Daniel Skipp
October 16, 2021 12:13 pm

Did you forget the sarc tag, or are you really serious? If the latter, on what planet do you live?

In the U.S., every acre of land and water is fully mapped, characterized, categorized, and managed. Give me a map coordinate, and within an hour I can tell you its current condition, history, agricultural productivity, soils, water quality, waters and wetlands, local climate, drought status, wildlife, habitat, terrain, flood hazard, antiquities, mineral production (if any), groundwater supply and quality, possibility of being polluted, current wildfire risk, and more. Okay, it might take me maybe two or three hours depending on how well the Internet servers are working. I and many environmental professionals in both industry and government do these characterizations regularly as part of our job duties. I would hasten to add that environmental NGOs cannot do this as they are not peopled with environmental professionals, but are largely made up of paid activist liars.

How is it possible to so easily profile a piece of ground or body of water? It is because our economic prosperity and rich history of good science enable us to cleanup and/or reclaim past problems and manage to prevent new ones. Others have already published the litany of good things about life on earth today compared to the past (e.g., Bjorn Lomborg). Where serious problems exist in the west, we have the ability to address them just so long as environmental activists stay away and destructive leftist regressive politicians can be held at bay. (Not looking so good at the moment)

Regarding developing countries, that is another matter.

aussiecol
Reply to  Daniel Skipp
October 16, 2021 1:41 pm

Daniel, your life needs a good dose of positivity. First step, don’t read the guardian. Second step, keep reading WUWT.

Abolition Man
Reply to  Daniel Skipp
October 16, 2021 2:33 pm

Daniel,
Maybe you should consult an ecologist like Dr. Patrick Moore, Ph.D! I believe that you will find him much more in agreement with Sara than with you, but I doubt that that will pierce the righteous armor you sound like you are wearing!
Please explain how you propose to save life on Earth without human intervention, and why a minor warming cycle, that the VAST majority of species prefer, is a danger! You may be living in a delusion; forcefed into your mind throughout your schooling!

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Daniel Skipp
October 16, 2021 3:50 pm

I read your rant twice … just in case I might find something factual and not alarmist. I failed. All I found was the most common logical fallacies of them all … appeals to emotion and appeals to ignorance. Sadly, you didn’t manage to touch on anything factual or scientific.

I strongly urge you to take Abolition Man’s advice and read Dr. Patrick Moore (one of the founders of Green Peace).

Sara
Reply to  Daniel Skipp
October 16, 2021 4:54 pm

Just a question, Daniel: are you getting that out of the newspapers or through personal observation?
My observations come from being there, watching what goes on. I am not indoors looking for statistics on a computer. Populations are NOT crashing here. It’s a pity if they are doing so in the UK, but where is your backup? Are you personally reporting census counts of bird species, for instance? We have birdwatchers all over the place who report their observations locally and to Cornell University? Does that make them LESS important? I DON’T THINK SO!!
Do you want me to report goose numbers that I see during morning hours on the southbound flocks?
If I find an ancient American snapper turtle trying to cross the road to get to a marsh to lay eggs, and I stop traffic to get the old girl to safety in the marsh, does that make her the last of her species? Hardly. She’s the MOTHER of her local group of American snappers.
I reaiize that you are very disgruntled about something, but what I see and report on hikes is also reported by other people, so what is that other than direct observation and confirmation?
Sitting at a desk reading statistics isn’t science, so where is your proof crashing populations other than statistics reported if you aren’t the to see it for yourself?

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Reply to  Daniel Skipp
October 16, 2021 11:33 pm

“Radiation pollution??”
You’re clearly confusing science fiction with the real world.

https://youtu.be/nhAK4jM_A1o

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Daniel Skipp
October 17, 2021 7:30 am

And this is all cause of by CO2 — how exactly?

Robert Hanson
Reply to  Sara
October 16, 2021 4:49 pm

“On MY continent, there is a cold front carrying FROST/FREEZE warnings heading my way, in a giant curve from Canada down to the OK/TX northern border.”

Really? Not knowing where the “OK/TX northern border” is exactly, I just checked the weather reports for OK city (next 10 days from 70 to 76, low of 44) and Dallas (73 to 80, low of 47). I would easily say where I live is slightly cooler than normal, but “FROST/FREEZE warnings”? Was this a prediction for January?

I’m as anti-AGW as one can get, but I don’t know what to think when I see these comments here on “freezing weather”, and yet when I check the weather reports I don’t see any evidence of that.

Pflashgordon
Reply to  Robert Hanson
October 16, 2021 6:39 pm

Robert, I believe from Sara’s comments about glacial features and her hiking trails that she is probably from Minnesota. Her reference to the Oklahoma/Texas border was to note how far south the cold front would penetrate. Actually, it already passed through Houston and into the Gulf of Mexico.

Sara
Reply to  Pflashgordon
October 17, 2021 5:03 am

Yeah, sorry I wasn’t clear about that. The frost/freeze warnings were on a weather radar map that covers the entire NWS reporting, and is provided by a local TV weather facility. The warnings are for a 24 hour period, not for a week and are ONLY warnings, not weather forecasts.

Sorry if I wasn’t clear about that. We had one of those warnings last night and this AM, it is barely above freezing. Frost was there on the front porch hand rails,

I’m from the NE corner of Illinois, about 8 miles west of Lake Michigan. Lots of woods and field around here give migrating flocks food and shelter on flights south in the fall and north in the spring. And if the weather is just right, they stay all winter. We’ve had snow geese and snowy owls show up here late in the fall and stick around, because they can find plenty of food locally.

Paul
Reply to  Robert Hanson
October 16, 2021 6:42 pm

if you read Sara’s other posts she said she lives up above Chicago along Lake Michigan. The Okla/Tex reference was the direction that the cold front was taking, weather it gets there or not.

Tom Abbott
October 16, 2021 5:08 am

From the article: “Earth is already becoming unlivable.”

That’s another level of stupid.

I pity the uninformed people who read this BS and believe it.

Robert Hanson
Reply to  Tom Abbott
October 16, 2021 5:05 pm

Oh, but it’s true. When Algore was born there were only 15,000 Polar Bears alive, today there are “only” around 50,000. See, becoming unlivable. And don’t even mention penguins, there isn’t a single one left in the Artic. 🙂

David Roger Wells
October 16, 2021 5:08 am

If these cretinous morons were not speculating about Co2 driven apocalypse based upon their own demented fears about so many people being able to enjoy themselves – which cant be right – they would be joining the hoards of keyboard thugs ripping off peoples bank accounts because the scam used is exactly the same. Threaten apocalypse identify easy solution, just swap bank accounts to be safe. Threaten supposed apocalypse identify easy – not – solution switch from fossil fuels to wind solar and batteries and the problem will disappear because its natural so it cannot hurt the climate.

Supposition assumption belief prevarication to impose a new age puritanism because it must be risk somewhere somehow the resources will disappear wont they? Of course yes but it is the
labyrinthine nature of the enterprise which is so complex that those embracing the scam cannot themselves recognise how each facet of their endemic duplicity contradicts every other facet to them just breathing poses a risk OMG wild fires floods it is paranoia with no boundaries no reflection. And because they cannot comprehend the complexity of climate and the culpable have conspired in the creation of a silver bullet which relates to the madness of Ehrlich’s machine guns and children giving humans free energy heaven knows what they might do with it which is simplistic star gazing idiocy but has puritanism at its core its not celebrity which is at fault its ordinary folk aping celebrity which is destroying the planet.

With more precision than I can muster “The answer, of course, was ‘groupthink’ – that blanket of camaraderie that smothers clear analysis, as members of a tight-knit band strive to preserve group cohesion above all else, prizing their place in the club more than anything, suppressing their own doubts and silencing those of others, while leaping to conclusions without proper evaluation and data.
So neatly does the word groupthink express this concept that it is tempting to believe it has always existed. But it was not until more than a decade after the Bay of Pigs, in 1972, that Irving Janis, a psychologist at Yale University, coined the term, leaning on the dystopian ‘doublethink’ of Orwell’s 1984, which the author described menacingly as “to know and not to know, to be conscious of complete truthfulness while telling carefully constructed lies”.

Media across the board can identify groupthink in any situation other than climate change which must be treated as a reality despite every possible digit of observed data which makes it abundantly clear that climate has always changed, Co2 might be an imperceptible influence but 0.85C since 1880 and 1.03C by 2100 is neither a crisis or a catastrophe and that implication is not supported by weather incidents or extremes but public ignorance is being exploited by virtue signalling politicians media and ranting prevaricators like Damian Carrington who campaigns endlessly for the abolition of coal when its use is rising because without it billions will die in disease and misery. It is so stupid so illiterate it is impossible for me to comprehend how these morons can function. Credulous insanity. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/10/12/blinded-groupthink-does-keep-happening-anything-can-do-stop/

Sara
Reply to  David Roger Wells
October 16, 2021 9:09 am

I think I can help you there, David. The THEY want a planet that is in a steady state condition. Earth is not, and never has been, a steady state planet. It is a “chaos” state planet, and beyond Their control and that drives Them up-the-wall freaking nuts.

Not sure, but I think the closest thing to a steady state planetary body in this system is the Moon, but even that gets whacked by meteors and changes from sunlit to unlit on a recurring basis. And The THEY can’t control any of it, which, as mentioned above, drives them completely nuts.

TonyG
Reply to  Sara
October 17, 2021 11:15 am

“The THEY want a planet that is in a steady state condition”

But have you noticed that they never seem willing (or able) to tell us exactly WHAT that steady state should be?

Tom Abbott
October 16, 2021 5:15 am

From the article: “The world has already heated up by around 1.2C, on average, since the preindustrial era, pushing humanity beyond almost all historical boundaries.”

That’s a lie, even going by the bastardized temperature record. The “hottest year evah!, in the 21st century, was 2016. Assuming this 1.2C figure applies to the year 2016, we are currently 0.4C cooler than 2016, at the present time.

Alarmists like Hayhoe seem to still be living in the year 2016.

And then of course, there is the unbastardized temperature record which shows we are no warmer today than in the past. It shows there is no unprecedented heating going on, just the opposite of what Hayhoe and the other alarmists claim.

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Tom Abbott
October 16, 2021 5:23 am

From the article: “Until now, human civilization has operated within a narrow, stable band of temperature.”

And we are still operating within a narrow band:

1880’s, 1930’s, 1998/2016 = high temperature points, where all the high temperatures are equally warm.

1910’s, 1970’s, 2040’s? = low temperature points, where all the low temperatures are equally cool.

This, according to the unmodified, regional surface temperature charts from around the world.

ThinkingScientist
October 16, 2021 5:24 am

I look out at the beautiful English countryside where I live in the South of England.

It looks exactly like it did 50 years ago when I was a child apart from more rape fields being grown by farmers.

The weather seems about the same, maybe winter frosts are a little later in the year. But we had three of the coldest, snowiest winters I ever remember just a decade ago.

Climate Crisis? What Crisis?

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fretslider
Reply to  ThinkingScientist
October 16, 2021 6:42 am

The weather seems about the same,”

Simply because it is like it was 50 years ago.

Gregory Woods
October 16, 2021 5:31 am

Well, where I live, we are enjoying unusually normal weather…

H.R.
Reply to  Gregory Woods
October 16, 2021 6:53 am

Oh noes! Extreme normal! We’re all gonna D-i-i-i-e!!!

Ed Zuiderwijk
October 16, 2021 5:44 am

I disagree Eric. Nothing beats fresh garlic.

fretslider
Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
October 16, 2021 6:43 am

Tell that to a vampire.

They won’t go near garlic bread.

mpcan
October 16, 2021 5:50 am

The enormous, unprecedented pain and turmoil caused by the climate crisis policy”
Fixed it for you.
You’re welcome.

2hotel9
October 16, 2021 5:57 am

So, if the world has ended will these human hating f**kbags finally sh*t the f**k up?

fretslider
Reply to  2hotel9
October 16, 2021 6:44 am

No.

Redge
Reply to  2hotel9
October 16, 2021 6:55 am

Nope

Admad
October 16, 2021 6:04 am

I cannot understand why there is an element of society which is actively working towards a return to LIA conditions so hard. “Pre-industrial” climate would involve drought, low temperatures, famine and crop-failure… What is so attractive about this era of history?

fretslider
Reply to  Admad
October 16, 2021 6:44 am

Fewer human beings.

Abolition Man
Reply to  Admad
October 16, 2021 8:41 am

Admad,
This is always what happens when you give psycho- and sociopaths a large number of “useful idiots” to play with! That’s why Marxism is such a dangerous religious cult; the criminally insane quickly rise to positions of power, and the torture and killings can begin!
Our supposedly free press was designed to be the antidote to this in the US, but instead they have joined with the crooks and the crazies to cancel the citizen!

Daniel Skipp
Reply to  Abolition Man
October 16, 2021 1:06 pm

By design, of the “Western Elite” ruling class who are the quintessential crooks and crazies… the super-rich created and run Marxism at the same time as buying out the press, it hasn’t been “free” since the 19th century. Modern “democratic” politics is just a Punch and Judy show to program the plebs into supporting their own slavery and destruction. Socialism is the new Inquisition, persecuting freedom for the Banking Cabal’s Slave State. Hence the new heresy, carbon positivity.

Abolition Man
Reply to  Daniel Skipp
October 16, 2021 2:44 pm

Daniel,
You DO realize that much of the environmental movement is primarily a Marxist proxy now, don’t you? It may be bright green on the outside; but it’s a bloody, Marxist red within!
You are going to have to decide which you support; much like the choice that the Pope is going to have to make between communism and Catholicism! There is a reason that the largest ecological disasters have occurred in Marxist states; lack of concern for the individual and worship of the State make admitting and correcting environmental mistakes nearly impossible!

Joseph Zorzin
October 16, 2021 6:41 am

“the “surprisingly small” temperature increases we have experienced to date is causing “unprecedented pain and turmoil””

pain and turmoil to the alarmists who pray for much greater increases

MarkW
October 16, 2021 7:42 am

The world still hasn’t returned to the temperatures enjoyed during the medieval warm period,
much less the temperatures enjoyed during the Roman, Minoan or Egyptian warm periods. None of those warm periods came anywhere close to the warmth experienced during the Holocene Optimum.
Indeed, 80 to 90% of the last 15 to 20,000 years have see temperatures between one and five degrees warmer than today.

Abolition Man
Reply to  MarkW
October 16, 2021 8:58 am

MarkW,
The Holocene Thermal Optimum is nothing compared to the Eocene Thermal Maximum! Only and idiot or an ignoramus would be worried about current temperatures, when Life was flourishing in climates ten degrees or more warmer 50 Mya!
Since then the Earth has been steadily COOLING, with Ice Age cycles that appear to be getting colder! At the same time CO2 levels have been dropping to the point that, only one or two periods of glaciation into the future, it will be so LOW that plants will begin to die off, causing ALL other life forms to die save some microbes and viruses!
The religion of Climastrology teaches just the opposite of the truth; not only is MORE CO2 necessary AND beneficial, but human agency will be required to SAVE life on Earth!

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Abolition Man
October 16, 2021 3:54 pm

Life was flourishing in climates ten degrees or more warmer 50 Mya!

Well said … It was a period when mammals finally came into their own … the flourishing of warm blooded creatures (emphasis on warm).

Olen
October 16, 2021 7:58 am

The climate disaster narrative reminded me of Orson Welles famous show War of the Worlds. Both are dramatic fiction. The difference is Welles show did not intend to create panic while the dooms day climate article did.

As Katherine says we have built a civilization on a world that does not exist anymore. If by that she means temperature, can the human body detect the small change in temperature or if she means the benefits of the modern world than considering the hardship of the simpler times than the world left behind is better off now.

The simpler times were not simple at all and required hard work. I have yet to realize what is wrong with good weather and the benefits of the modern world.

ResourceGuy
October 16, 2021 8:33 am

Sign zee papers pledging allegiance or we will ship you to the camps!! Sign now!!

ResourceGuy
October 16, 2021 8:55 am

Welcome to the Eco Olympics–Glasgow. Be sure and visit the climate change gift shop.

ResourceGuy
October 16, 2021 9:24 am

Has radical Islam been invited to the climate change crisis meetings?

‘He was Southend’: Tributes paid to slain British lawmaker – ABC News (go.com)

ResourceGuy
October 16, 2021 9:39 am
John the Econ
October 16, 2021 10:32 am

I stopped caring after I was told the world would end 30 years ago.

michael hart
October 16, 2021 10:53 am

Yeah. Cauliflower is made bearable with a good cheese/white sauce recipe.
No other reason to read the Guardian.

John Sandhofner
October 16, 2021 5:44 pm

Love the light touch at the end Eric. Puts it in perspective. Lefties are a most misérable people. Everything they see is bad and they are quick to point it out.It has got to be depressing at some point. Suicidal?

J.R.
October 16, 2021 9:51 pm

“We have built a civilization based on a world that doesn’t exist anymore,”

What on Earth (literally) is she talking about?

Abolition Man
Reply to  J.R.
October 16, 2021 10:33 pm

J.R.,
She obviously doesn’t know what she’s talking about! The real world doesn’t exist anywhere in her head; it’s filled with delusions instead!

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October 16, 2021 10:15 pm

Again the imbecilic underlying assumption of Edenic stasis – that climate never changed until humanity bit into the carbon apple. Deny it all they want – but this is the bedrock of the entire alarmist narrative. How else does the term “pre-industrial” have any meaning?

The Dansgaard-Oeschger events during glacial periods where temperatures rose then fell by 10 degrees or more over a few centuries were “pre-industrial” also. So no hiding behind the “but it never changed so fast” excuse.

Pat from kerbob
Reply to  Hatter Eggburn
October 17, 2021 9:55 am

In order to make a religion you need original sin. It’s no surprise this green lunacy was born and nurtured in the mostly Christian west. And so all these people who reject Christianity merely replaced it with this green alarmism, following the same broad brush strokes.
Because they need it I guess.
Eden destroyed by humans burning coal, all was perfect before.

It’s clearly been much warmer in recorded human history, sea levels alone tell us that much but the lengths the scientologists will go to try and disprove that is amazing, it’s like watching Joseph Smith creating his documents (there is a great South Park episode on that).

TonyG
October 17, 2021 9:37 am

“have no idea what a real problem is.”

Seems to be a common tendency.

Pat from kerbob
October 17, 2021 9:49 am

I watched a real climate disaster last night, a recorded episode of American Experience from PBS, on the great dust bowl of the 30s. Amazing footage and pictures and interviews with those that experienced it.
Like science fiction.

And refreshingly not a single comment about AGW, not even a suggestion this is what we’ll be facing every year.

I guess that is left to the episodes of Nova instead.

I recommend everyone watch it to see what a real climate disaster is

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