Guest essay by Eric Worrall
The National Party, Australia’s junior ruling coalition partners, have challenged Aussie PM Scott Morrison to identify which cuts to government expenditure he will make, if Australia agrees to shut down our $60 billion per year coal export industry at COP26.
Deputy Speaker warns PM not to blindside Nationals as climate talks heat up
ABC Sunshine Coast / By Owen Jacques
Posted Yesterday at 6:24am
The Deputy Speaker of Australia’s House of Representatives has warned Prime Minister Scott Morrison not to blindside the Nationals party room in an effort to lock in a plan to cut carbon emissions.
- Llew O’Brien says he will not back any plan to cut carbon emissions unless it benefits his electorate
- He warned the PM against trying to pressure the Nationals into supporting such a plan ahead of this month’s major climate summit
- His Wide Bay electorate includes the Noosa Shire where the council has declared a climate emergency
Mr Morrison is negotiating with the Nationals over how the government plans to meet a net-zero target by 2050, ahead of the COP26 climate summit in Glasgow later this month.
‘Which hospital do you want shut?’
Mr O’Brien said if a carbon emissions target put the resources industry at risk it could make those things harder to fund.
“If any agreement is looking at getting rid of those sources of revenue, I would say to those people, ‘Show me where the money is going to come from,’ or ‘Which hospital do you want to close down?’,” he said.
“I would be an irresponsible local member if I was committing to anything without seeing all of the detail and ensuring that anything that we signed up for was going to benefit the people of Wide Bay more than the people of Berlin or Paris or Stockholm.”
Read more: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-11/llew-obrien-warns-scott-morrison-over-net-zero-2050/100528050
The Nationals have left the door open to an agreement, which I find a little disturbing. Nevertheless, even at this late stage, there is still a very good chance Australia will be the party pooper at the COP26 climate conference, despite Prince Charles telling Australia this is our last chance to save the world.
There is near nothing the Ozzie Gov will stand up for.
“Prince Charles telling Australians, this is our last chance to save the world.”
I remember the pre-internet days of mail order shopping from catalogs that would arrive periodically. If you didn’t order for a while, you would get the next catalog with a message splashed across the cover “Unless we hear from you this will be your last catalog.” Which was followed a few weeks later by “We really don’t want to lose you, but we cannot afford to keep sending you catalogs!”. And so on, each time assuring me that THIS TIME they really, seriously, no kidding meant it. I think about that every time I read someone writing about THIS is our LAST CHANCE TO SAVE THE WORLD.
By the way, Australia, how does it feel to bear the fate of the world on your shoulders? As if you didn’t have enough to worry about with totalitarian dictators taking over your fair land?
Yeah, them too.
By the way, Australia, how does it feel to bear the fate of the world on your shoulders?
Its actually kind of funny. The world screaming at us to join the party, then sidling around the back entrance to quietly buy more coal. China losing face caving in and begging Australia for goods. The only worry is if the Nationals buckle and spoil the fun, snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, just as we’re on the verge of winning.
Eric, I am an Aussie too. I have a feeling that the Coalition are quietly manoeuvring to get a nuclear industry up and running by saying the only way we get to have our cake and eat is nuclear.
My wife still gets a number of clothing catalogs with such warnings. She comments on how this is her last chance, just like every month for the last few years, every so often.
We also note how there are furniture stores that seem to have had at least one “going out of business” sale every year for the last 20 years.
plus the rugs a million store here in Perth
I get amused at emails telling me it is my LAST CHANCE to contribute to a political group or charitable cause. Really? You mean after this ‘last chance’ you will turn down donations? Something tells me you will always accept free money.
I kinda consider it an undertaking to stop pestering me – but they never come through.
Kind of like the “last and final” (don’t those mean the same thing?) boarding call at the airport gate, that they broadcast 10 times for one flight.
perhaps Britain should look at the debacle that wind and the loss of an interconnector has put them in
Hypocrites burning coal and then saying shutdown your coal mines
I hope that Boris is ready for a number of people dying from cold this winter
I hope that Boris is ready for a number of people dying from cold this winter
As long as he’s one of them. it’s OK by me!
It’s your “final notice”, but rarely is it ever your final “final notice”.
“By the way, Australia, how does it feel to bear the fate of the world on your shoulders?”
Yeah, really. The alarmists make it out like Australia is the key to whether humanity survives or not.
What it really is, is the alarmists are desperately trying to get everyone onboard the Climate Change train, and anyone who doesn’t get on board, is in for severe criticism because it casts doubt on the majority thinking. The Elites can’t be having doubt cast on their “vision”, so they crack down hard on any who don’t conform. Contrarians are not welcome. Typical radical leftist behavior.
Now his mother has complained that world leaders are not taking the climate seriously enough and requests their attendance at COP26 in Glasgow.
No doubt members of her family and the Prime Minister have advised her.
Glasgow. The hill upon which many dreams have perished.
It’s quite ironic that Glasqow is the anglisized version of its original gaelic name
Britannica says this
Glasgow’s Gaelic name, Glaschu, means “Green Glen.”
Others that it means “Dear Green Place”
More precisely, Brittonic, or p-Celt, like Brittany or Welsh.
Curiously, Balmoral may be Pictish…
The UK may well face a similar problem in the next few months/
If the upcoming winter season is especially cold, the UK could run out of gas, the boss of an empire which includes gas, oil and refineries has said.
Chair of INEOS Sir Jim Ratcliffe spoke to ITV’s Peston show as regulator Ofgem announced that a further two energy suppliers, unable to withstand soaring gas prices, had gone bust.
When asked whether the UK could potentially run out of gas if there is a sharp winter, Sir Jim said: “Yeah, in which case, what you would do is you’d shut down industry.
“Economically, we’re in a bad place as it is after Covid so you don’t really need to be shutting industry down, and that’s not great for British industry if we’re telling all our customers we can’t supply them.”
Energy poverty is a feature, not a bug, of the Climate Scam. If not this winter, then another winter or two down the road. Within a decade the desensitization will mean blackouts become a regular feature for everyone but the very rich. Make no mistake, Blackouts by the unavailability of affordable gas from which to make electricity is a feature of this path taken.
“desensitization will mean blackouts become a regular feature for everyone”
That seems to be the way it is looking in Calfornia. They cut power yesterday somewhere in California because of forest fire risk. I don’t hear any Californians complaining about it.
Not to rain on the parade, be not naive about either the Royal Prerogative (Gough Whitlam’s Dismissal anyone?), nor such things as the Pandora papers recently. 2 European ministers fell with that caper. Check their policies.
Extreme pressure will be brought to bear.
How to counter this onslaught, one may well ask?
Why, it is obvious – go for what cannot be stopped – the BRI, Belt and Road Initiative, with all of Asia involved. Playing the silly Kant Critique game cannot work.
Before the last election (2019) Morrison promised that he would not ‘take a wrecking ball to the economy’ to reduce CO2 emissions as the other main (socialist) party’s policies would.
He did not promise not to demolish the economy slowly brick by brick.
Good plan to wait and see what the decision is, by now most people should be wary of left leaning media propaganda (fake news reports) and opposition politics muck raking.
A recent Australia example was the Prime Minister’s visit to the G7 Meeting and media reported that he was all but ignored by the POTUS and other negative comment.
A month or two later we are told about the new defence agreement reached between the US, the UK and Australia negotiated by our PM and advisers during the G7 visit.
Yes, and just the other day, Australia started buying US Seahawk naval combat helicopters to “improve Australia’s capability to perform anti-surface and anti-submarine warfare missions”.
I think these are the Naval version of the Blackhawk?
This allows us to dump the troubled European Airbus-made Taipans.
They had better add one more to the shopping list!
yeah but we just ditched one of them into the ocean today
3crew all ok
Australia’s Eurocopter Tiger Helicopter Gunships are being replaced with US Helicopter Gunships soon.
The Tigers have been unreliable and often grounded for inspection.
And Obama promised the seas would stop rising…
Politicians bleat promises as reflex actions, no real intent.
Promise anything if the promise is useful, then ignore your promises as you did not mean them anyway. Business as usual.
”trying to pressure the Nationals into supporting such a plan ahead of this month’s major climate summit”
So when are these people going to realize this ”major” summit will be forgotten 2 days after it’s over and everyone will resume their FF consumption just as they did the 25 times before that? This (pledge to net zero) has to be the most transparent case of meaningless lip service in history and yet the number of commenters I hear everyday (even the Murdoch press are on the band wagon for Christ sake!) are completely blind to it and choose to live in fantasy land. If AU decides to truly commit, nuclear power is the only way. Let the the games begin!
FFS, Oz puts out 1.4% of the world’s emissions.
If the “climate emergency” was happening to a person, focusing on Oz in the same way would be like paramedics dealing with a quadruple amputation accident by worrying about the zits on the victim’s butt.
But, but, one of them looks like it might get infected!!
Are you comparing Australia to zits on our planet’s butt?
right now…victoria is an open ooozing sore so why not?
Under the COP process emissions are registered where they occur, that is, where the fossil fuel is burned. So you are correct in your observation about Australia’s accountable emissions are a trivial part of total global fossil fuel emissions.
Here’s the rub for the Green Socialists pushing the COP agreements: emissions targets do not exist for the developing countries including China where the demand for the fossil fuels,a dht fuels are burned resulting in the emissions. So the only thing left for the Left is go after the Supply side, where they can. Russia and OPEC just give the big middle finger to COP process and point to the purchasers of their oil and gas product. That leaves Australia and its coal and naturalgas production as one of the few places to reduce supply
But fundamental micro economics dictates that because the quantity demanded for coal and gas is still in the market, cutting back on supply just drives up the prices. This price signal becomes someone else opportunity to make lots of profit selling into demand driven market.
Here in the US and in the EU and UK, demand for coal has been steadily decreasing as coal fired power plants are shut down.
With thermal coal now at very attractive prices for suppliers in Developing countries, they will step up as the Demand from China and India is still there in the market.
“So the only thing left for the Left is go after the Supply side, where they can.”
Very good point.
Australia is the Bad Guy, not the Chicoms, the alarmists say.
Australia is the only developed country yet to commit to the suicide pack and therefore represent a risk of causing others to back out of the deal, and thus the political pressure is being applied. One interesting point is the level of urgency to get the suicide pack signed now. The level of lies, hyperbole and political pressure is at an all time high, with threats of trade sanctions towards non conforming countries. And, all of this at a time when Europe’s energy supply is in a huge crisis caused by trying to implement the very policy they seek to make mandatory for all developed countries.
The real question is – why the sudden urgency ?. Most likely Prince Charles gave that game away when he said “Last Chance Saloon”. Readers here at WUWT are smart enough to know this is not about the climate, so the UN and global Marxist elites obviously believe this is their one chance to lock in global communism. With COVID and the hard left government in place in the USA, this is probably the one time for them to act.
“Readers here at WUWT are smart enough to know this is not about the climate, so the UN and global Marxist elites obviously believe this is their one chance to lock in global communism. With COVID and the hard left government in place in the USA, this is probably the one time for them to act.”
I think that’s right. They are getting desperate and are resorting to desperate measures. And the cold weather is making them a little nervous. An extended cooling trend would shatter their credibilty. So they want to get ahead of that if they can. Get things locked in before it turns cold.
I liked this description of John Cook in today’s online news. While the article was another climate crisis beat up they certainly got one thing right.
“Dr Cook is a researcher at Monash University’s Climate Change Communication Research Hub specialising in climate misinformation”
Is that the Cook with SS? The cartoonist who fancies himself a Nazi? He’s a dr?
Yup, the same. His PhD was in “the cognitive psychology of climate science denial”.
Junk research as usual.
I think I remember that now. His buddy Lewandowski hand-held him through that.
“His PhD was in “the cognitive psychology of climate science denial”.”
That’s a joke. Right? It’s hard to tell anymore.
Tom, the rule I use anymore is:
If it’s absurd but not quite absurd enough to be a joke, it’s probably not true.
If it’s so absurd it must be a joke, it’s probably true.
Seems to work most of the time lately.
Hilarious! I love it when these things occur.
I believe at least one university offers a phD in that.
Didn’t they just win a case against Peter Ridd?
If this article is correct the money will come from “monetization” (money printing) by all central banks, including Australia’s:
Here is The Hidden $150 Trillion Agenda Behind The “Crusade” Against Climate Change
Why is the net zero lobby is so intent on pushing this green utopia – simple answer: because it provides an endless stream of taxpayer and debt-funded “investments” which in turn need a just as constant degree of debt monetization by central banks.
Drilling down on the absolutely staggering costs, at an estimated $150 trillion over 30 years, boosting funding sources to $5tn a year is equivalent to the entire US tax base, or 3x the COVID-19 stimulus this decade.
And now you know why corporations and Wall Street are all behind it… and the tip of the spear will be progressive Democrats who naively believe they are working against corporations and big banks to save the planet.
If I was not an old-school conservationist, and didn’t care about the integrity of science, my mouth would be watering over an opportunity like this… an all out bonanza and free pass to rip up the planet without environmental constraint.
ages ago the IMF and eurocrats wanted to make all money transferred anywhere subject to a “tiny” tariff
that would hand them BILLIONs a yr
for them to use for??CC or any other boondoggle they wanted with no one able to control or query of course
hence the ongoing push for cashless society to make sure they can cream it off
When push comes to shove, the only way a politician can save his career is to protect the present. Let the future, and future politicians, worry about the future.
With the present state of world economies and energy crunch, one hard winter in the northern hemisphere will end this charade.
If only what you said were true!
For one hard winter to end the charade, climate alarmists would have to be open to reason and persuasion! As frequent readers and commenters here at WUWT are too well aware, our resident trolls like Simple Simon, Loy-d’oh, and the griffter are neither!
Their deeply held religious beliefs make them essentially impervious to any fact or data based argument! The official dogma has been brought down from on high; instead of a burning Bush, it originated from a fossil fuel burning Gore! Science that disagrees is heresy, and must be dealt with accordingly! When fanatics see their world crumbling, they get less rational; not more!
Here in New South Wales, Australia, the elected premiere resigned after ICAC issued a statement that she would be investigated for corruption. ICAC cannot dismiss politicians, it can only investigate. So, she resigned immediately. Strange?
Two days later the deputy premier resigned too. Now it is very well noted he is transparently corrupt. Strange both resign almost at the same time because ICAC has launched an investigation in to the premier. Strange? You bet!
In any case both will be on a full pension of about AU$150,000 p/a, for the rest of their lives.
at least she defaulted on the 400k payout she would have got
A quick check of the NEM website (National Energy Market) shows that ‘renewable’ energy provided over the last 7 days varies from 15% to 58% of Australia’s total energy so that means fossil fuels supplied from 85% to 42%. The contribution of hydro in the renewable total was about 8% so you can say solar and wind lowest value is 15 – 8 = 7%.
Given the subsidised investment already in solar and wind just to get to a guaranteed minimum 7% output imagine what it will take to get the total renewable to 100% = no fossil fuels.
Australian mining and pastoralist tycoon Gina Reinhardt is a breath of fresh air (with experience) in the whole consideration of renewable energy. Much more discussion necessary before our government(s) gives a commitment on behalf of the Australian taxpayer.
unlike twiggy forest whos gone full greentard
at least hes using a lot of his own money, so when the H2 stunt fails he might…STFU
Reality will win in the end. Virtue signaling will be allowed to continue because it is meaningless, without teeth, and harmless until it gets the populace riled up.
perhaps Prince Charles should focus on is delinquent brother Andrew and keep out of other peoples business
He’s not actually delinquent. He, like all royals (and several other high-profile people), is a natural target for greedy lawyers who trawl around the sewers. Consider – this bimbo “says” she was screwed by Andrew at that pervert’s place. It is undisputed that both were there at the same time – there are photographs – but the rest is just her word against his. There is not the slightest evidence.
Never mind this stuff. What about BBC One screening The Trick on Monday October 18 making the climate change crook Phil Jones look like a hero?
What’s the matter with this effing blogsite????
This will be broadcast to hundreds of millions of people and you don’t care.
Phil Jones will be a national hero on Tuesday.
At the 2019 Australian Federal Election the now still Prime Minister and his MPs campaigned against net zero emissions agenda and claimed the economic damage and cost was prohibitive.
The Business Council of Australia agreed with this. But the Opposition and Greens of course supported net zero emissions and adopted that as policy.
While at the G7 Meeting as a guest nation leader our PM rejected suggestions by the UK PM that net zero emissions be attached to the terms and conditions of the Free Trade Agreement being finalised between our nations, and said that Australia has already achieved targets to reduce emissions set down in the Kyoto and Paris Agreements and would endeavour (“aspirational objective”) to do more but not with carbon tax or other penalty attached, if achieved it would be based on new technology from research and development backed by the government.
Now in October 2021 it appears, if we can believe the too often misleading (fake news) left leaning media reporting, that the Government is changing direction in favour of net zero emissions. And so has the Business Council of Australia and they have released economic modelling to predict more new jobs and a boost to the GDP from initiatives to achieve net zero emissions by 2050. A thirty year plan? I have been involved in producing many five year plans and financial year budgets and know that accuracy over more than one year is mission impossible.
Once again the globalist leftists are determined to get what they want regardless of what we the people believe and do not support in the majority.
I despair when governments that made sensible decisions for the good of the electorate, who are their only legitimate constituency, “leave the door open” to change this for an ‘outsourced’ constituency. Should French, British, German ‘voters’ be preferred to Ozzie voters for some reason?
The climate did not go where the consensus of public troughers assured us it would. Their 300% exaggeration of warming, measured against observations, despite a hectic fiddling with temperatures to try to force the warming expected from a broken theory suggests the exaggeration was even greater.
To have all this followed by an 18yr Pause that was interrupted by an el Niño in 2015 with cooling resuming since, is falsification of the hypothesis that has unnecessarily cost global society a few trillion directly and more in opportunity costs and untold loss of life that I hope can be tallied when The Great Reckoning will be instituted.
Scott, this has nothing to do with climate as you full well know. The marxist proponents have not even gone to the trouble of concealing their true intent. Have the cojones to face-off with these pretenders and tell them you won’t sacrifice the economy of Australia and the wellbeing of its citizens who voted you into power.
As I understand it, coal exports aren’t part of the ‘carbon accounting’ regime under the Paris agreement anyway.
I suspect ScoMo won’t attend Glasgow. He’s already hinted he’s spent too much time in hotel quarantine as a result of overseas trips that actually were important.
Also, some time ago, ScoMo was ‘non-invited’ to one of the minor climate meetings simply because he wasn’t bringing anything new to the table.
It’s all about name ‘n’ shame with these people.
He needs to hold firm. This will all go back to the usual dull roar after Glasgow.
Agreed give them the bird. If we get real lucky EU will slap us with tarriffs allowing us to retaliate and as we have a trade deficit with the EU they can sell us less and we can further increase our trade surplus. What is not to like about this.
I have said this before. All the National’s need to do is get the Liberals to declare in writing the expected return on investment. e.g. Global CO2 will be reduced by 200ppm, global temperature will be reduced by 2C, electricity prices will come down by 30% etc.
From the article: “Mr Morrison is negotiating with the Nationals over how the government plans to meet a net-zero target by 2050, ahead of the COP26 climate summit in Glasgow later this month.”
Isn’t this ridiculous! These negotiations internally, and externally, are totally unnecessary going by the science, which says CO2 is not a problem and doesn’t need to be regulated.
There is no unprecedented warming today, and that means CO2 is a minor player in determining the Earth’s temperatures, not the control knob.
At some point in the future, these alarmist arguments are going to look so very detached from reality. People in the future (hopefully, the near future) will be shaking their heads at how such a mass delusion as Human-caused Climate Change could happen, and how so many people were caught up in it, even though there is no evidence that CO2 is doing what the alarmists claim it is doing to the atmosphere.
Not only is Human-caused Climate Change the biggest science scandal in history, it is also the biggest Mass Delusion Event in Human history.
“ it is also the biggest Mass Delusion Event in Human history.”
Nah, that was the Evolution dogma.
Same techniques over many years being used to push both lies onto the population.