Europe is switching back to coal to survive bleak winter

From the GWPF

Date: 25/09/21

GWPF International

Having banned fracking in much of Europe and with low wind speeds compounding the continent’s energy crisis, gas prices in the UK and much of Europe are going through the roof. A shortage of affordable natural gas is forcing European companies to switch to coal to survive a bleak winter.

Low wind speeds have compounded the continent’s energy crisis, prompting utilities to turn to coal to bridge the shortfall.

The deepening energy crisis comes at a time when Western governments are trying to push emerging and developing countries to agree Net Zero targets at COP26 in Glasgow later this year.

Europe’s embarrassing coal comeback will make any Net Zero demands almost impossible for politicians from the UK and Europe not least because they are also dealing with the growing fear of a voter backlash from the cost of Net Zero and rising energy bills.

The Spectator’s editorial this week as spot on when it warned Boris Johnson that instead leading the world on Net Zero he “should be prepared for other countries to see, in his energy policy, an example of what not to do”.

Europe’s energy crisis: A switch back to coal is on the cards

UK among nations facing a ‘bleak winter’ with consumers at risk of being unable to heat their homes

European utility providers are preparing to switch to alternative energy sources to meet demand, including carbon-rich coal, as gas supply problems continue, analysts have said.

If energy providers are forced to compete for the limited amount of gas supply, prices will continue to soar with costs “inevitably” passed down to consumers.

“The long and short of it is that, unless there is a mild winter or an ease in demand, the EU utilities will have to look to alternative energy sources to meet the demand,” said Slava Kiryushin, global head of energy at DWF, an international provider of legal and business services.

“While most may read ‘alternative energy sources’ as “renewables”, the energy market may have an alternative definition: coal,”

While upping coal production will not be welcomed by many as Europe looks to lower its carbon emissions to meet climate change targets, it is a far more economic source of fuel, Mr Kiryushin said.

“It remains to be seen how the European utilities will balance the rise in carbon emissions and consumer sentiment against the unavailability or unaffordability of power from less carbon-intensive sources.”

European coal for lined up for delivery next year rose to its highest level since 2008 on Friday, on strong demand from power stations and low stockpiles.

Read the full story here.

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September 26, 2021 6:07 am

Given the number of volcanoes that are now becoming active maybe geothermal energy will fill the gap /sarc

Scissor
Reply to  Philip Mulholland
September 26, 2021 6:46 am

There’s potential energy in clouds of sulfur dioxide. (Not the useful kind.)

https://www.windy.com/-SO2-tcso2?tcso2,33.219,4.395,5,i:temp

Allan MacRae
Reply to  Philip Mulholland
September 26, 2021 11:05 am

TOLD YOU SO, 8 YEARS AGO.
(excerpt)

AN OPEN LETTER TO BARONESS VERMA, OCTOBER 31, 2013, BY ALLAN MACRAE
[excerpt]
So here is my real concern:
IF the Sun does indeed drive temperature, as I suspect, Baroness Verma, then you and your colleagues on both sides of the House may have brewed the perfect storm.
You are claiming that global cooling will NOT happen, AND you have crippled your energy systems with excessive reliance on ineffective grid-connected “green energy” schemes.
I suggest that global cooling probably WILL happen within the next decade or sooner, and Britain will get colder.
I also suggest that the IPCC and the Met Office have NO track record of successful prediction of global temperature and thus have no scientific credibility.
I suggest that Winter deaths will increase in the UK as cooling progresses.
I suggest that Excess Winter Mortality, the British rate of which is about double the rate in the Scandinavian countries, should provide an estimate of this unfolding tragedy.
As always in these matters, I hope to be wrong. These are not numbers, they are real people, who “loved and were loved”.
Best regards to all, Allan MacRae

“Turning and tuning in the widening gyre, the falcon cannot hear the falconer…” Yeats

Allan MacRae
Reply to  Allan MacRae
September 26, 2021 11:13 am

… AND WE NAILED MOST OF IT IN 2002:

Well, there is the perfect Trifecta – my work here is done:
 
In 2002 co-authors Dr Sallie Baliunas, Astrophysicist, Harvard-Smithsonian, Dr Tim Patterson, Paleoclimatologist, Carleton, Ottawa and Allan MacRae wrote:
http://www.friendsofscience.org/assets/documents/KyotoAPEGA2002REV1.pdf
 
1. “Climate science does not support the theory of catastrophic human-made global warming – the alleged warming crisis does not exist.”
 
2. “The ultimate agenda of pro-Kyoto advocates is to eliminate fossil fuels, but this would result in a catastrophic shortfall in global energy supply – the wasteful, inefficient energy solutions proposed by Kyoto advocates simply cannot replace fossil fuels.”
 
Allan MacRae published on September 1, 2002, based on a conversation with Dr. Tim Patterson:
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/01/10/polar-sea-ice-changes-are-having-a-net-cooling-effect-on-the-climate/#comment-63579
 
3. “If [as we believe] solar activity is the main driver of surface temperature rather than CO2, we should begin the next cooling period by 2020 to 2030.”
 
MacRae modified his global cooling prediction in 2013, or earlier:
3a. “I suggest global cooling starts by 2020 or sooner. Bundle up.”
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/12/02/study-predicts-the-sun-is-headed-for-a-dalton-like-solar-minimum-around-2050/#comment-1147149

See electroverse.net for extreme-cold events all over our planet. 

Gordon A. Dressler
Reply to  Allan MacRae
September 26, 2021 12:04 pm

Congratulations, Allan, on the spot-on call!

I can only wish to do as well in any of my predictions.

Do you think the cooling period that we are now entering will last decades or centuries?

Last edited 2 months ago by Gordon A. Dressler
Allan MacRae
Reply to  Gordon A. Dressler
September 27, 2021 5:23 am

Thank you Gordon. There are many opinions on your question, and I have not studied the subject in detail. Here is a 2015 paper by a Russian team led by Zharkova that predicts global cooling from 2020 through 2053.
Co-author Popova has a video worth watching, below.

https://electroverse.net/we-entered-the-modern-grand-solar-minimum-on-june-8-2020/
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/23328940.2020.1796243
 
PROFESSOR VALENTINA ZHARKOVA: “WE ENTERED THE ‘MODERN’ GRAND SOLAR MINIMUM ON JUNE 8, 2020”
AUGUST 30, 2020 CAP ALLON
A new editorial paper has landed from professor Valentina Zharkova, entitled: “Modern Grand Solar Minimum will Lead to Terrestrial Cooling“. Published on August 4, 2020, Zharkova’s latest analysis suggests that June 8, 2020 was the date on which we entered the Modern (Eddy) Grand Solar Minimum.
The opening paragraph reads:
“In this editorial I will demonstrate with newly discovered solar activity proxy-magnetic field that the Sun has entered into the modern Grand Solar Minimum (2020–2053) that will lead to a significant reduction of solar magnetic field and activity like during Maunder minimum leading to noticeable reduction of terrestrial temperature.”
____________________

https://cliffmass.blogspot.com/2021/06/an-historical-heat-wave-with-record.html

Dr Valentina Zharkova is mentioned above – her co-author Dr Yelena Popova is interviewed here about their 2015 paper predicting global cooling, starting circa 2020.

Global cooling IS happening now, as we correctly predicted in 2002, driven by low solar activity at the end of SC24.

Many recent extreme cold events are listed in my recent paper and many more have occurred worldwide since publication – see Electoverse.net

CLIMATE CHANGE, COVID-19, AND THE GREAT RESET
A Climate, Energy And Covid Primer For Politicians And Media
By Allan M.R. MacRae, May 8, 2021 UPDATE 1e
https://thsresearch.files.wordpress.com/2021/05/climate-change-covid-19-and-the-great-reset-update-1e-readonly.docx

Allan MacRae
Reply to  Allan MacRae
September 27, 2021 4:43 am

RECORD-BREAKING COLD SWEEPS EUROPE, MORE IPCC FRAUD, FIVE CLIMBERS KILLED IN “UNPRECEDENTED” SEPTEMBER SNOWSTORM IN RUSSIA, + -75.7C (-104.3F) LOGGED AT VOSTOK
September 27, 2021 Cap Allon
Snowpack is building exceptionally early this season, just as a prolonged bout of low solar activity predicts — IPCC claims of “decreasing snowstorms” are pure fantasy…

Allan MacRae
Reply to  Philip Mulholland
September 26, 2021 11:16 am

TOLD YOU SO, 8 YEARS AGO.
(excerpt)
https://wattsupwiththat.com/…/blind-faith-in…/…

AN OPEN LETTER TO BARONESS VERMA, OCTOBER 31, 2013, BY ALLAN MACRAE
[excerpt]
So here is my real concern:
IF the Sun does indeed drive temperature, as I suspect, Baroness Verma, then you and your colleagues on both sides of the House may have brewed the perfect storm.
You are claiming that global cooling will NOT happen, AND you have crippled your energy systems with excessive reliance on ineffective grid-connected “green energy” schemes.
I suggest that global cooling probably WILL happen within the next decade or sooner, and Britain will get colder.
I also suggest that the IPCC and the Met Office have NO track record of successful prediction of global temperature and thus have no scientific credibility.
I suggest that Winter deaths will increase in the UK as cooling progresses.
I suggest that Excess Winter Mortality, the British rate of which is about double the rate in the Scandinavian countries, should provide an estimate of this unfolding tragedy.
As always in these matters, I hope to be wrong. These are not numbers, they are real people, who “loved and were loved”.
Best regards to all, Allan MacRae
“Turning and tuning in the widening gyre, the falcon cannot hear the falconer…” Yeats

Bruce Cobb
September 26, 2021 6:08 am

Just sing this song, and all will be A-OK:

In the bleak midwinter
Frosty wind made moan
Earth stood hard as iron
Water like a stone
Snow had fallen
Snow on snow on snow
In the bleak midwinter
Long, long ago

Buckeyebob
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
September 27, 2021 6:19 am

You had a typo – you meant A-OC I think.

yirgach
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
September 27, 2021 9:02 am
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John Garrett
September 26, 2021 6:24 am

I’m sending a link to this story to NPR.

They’ll ignore it (of course).

Ben Vorlich
September 26, 2021 6:32 am

The UK might find it tricky firing up some old coal fired power stations, they are all well decommisioned and many demolished apart from two in England and one in Northern Ireland.

Despite being closed for 20 years the one up the road from where I live still has its cooling towers standing. Giving an impression it might be brought back to life quite easily.

commieBob
Reply to  Ben Vorlich
September 26, 2021 7:16 am

That reminds me of a news story that I half remember (and can’t easily find with a web search) …

There hadn’t been a big snow fall for a few years so Buffalo (or Toronto, I can’t remember which) sold all its snow plows. You get no extra points for guessing what happened next.

bill Johnston
Reply to  commieBob
September 26, 2021 7:44 am

They obviously listened to that genius who said it was warming so fast our grand kids will not know what snow is.

Patrick Maher
Reply to  bill Johnston
September 26, 2021 8:14 am

Yep, see the picture above

SxyxS
Reply to  commieBob
September 26, 2021 7:59 am

But non of these experts would sell their roof if it doesn’t rain for 3 weeks.

I wonder why.

Lil-Mike
Reply to  commieBob
September 26, 2021 8:08 am

A few years back, the Sacramento Regional Transit authority decided to save a few thousand dollars by not putting antifreeze in it’s bus fleet … again, no extra points for guessing what happened next.

Patrick Maher
Reply to  commieBob
September 26, 2021 8:13 am

This is what happened a full ten years after “experts” said that snow was a thing of the past in Britain. “Kids just won’t know what snow looks like.”
In 2010 they got a pretty good idea! It was on the ground for. Almost a month. Please note the only green in the photo is in Cork, Ireland. My home city

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Frank Hansen
Reply to  commieBob
September 26, 2021 8:34 am

When Denmark in 2003 flew supplies to her war effort in Iraq in the huge C130 planes, it was discovered that some of the boxes contained snow plows.

bonbon
Reply to  Frank Hansen
September 26, 2021 9:07 am

Have a look – not the Onion :
Iraq launches $95m snow sports resort in Kurdistan
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/business-26075814
Maybe skiing for NATO invaders?

rah
Reply to  bonbon
September 26, 2021 9:20 am

January though April 1984 I was part of an MTT (SF mobile Training team) consisting of two “A” teams and a “B” team from Co A, 3rd Bn. 10th SFG(A).

Between training the so called “Rangers” of the Lebanese Defense Force, getting shot at, rocketed, and shelled, and an emergency deployment to the US Embassy (The co-located with the British Embassy) to help evacuate Americans and secure the grounds, we skied Lebanon!

Specializing in High Alpine warfare it was just natural for us to desire to maintain our proficiency at downhill skiing.

Pamela Matlack-Klein
Reply to  commieBob
September 27, 2021 2:38 am

Buffalo is the snow capitol of the east! They get lots of lake effect snow and are usually snowed in most of the winter. But politicians being what they are, it would not surprise me if it was Buffalo that sold their snow management equipment.

ATheoK
Reply to  commieBob
September 27, 2021 1:08 pm

Wouldn’t be Buffalo, NY.
Buffalo, NY’s biggest snowfalls come from lake effect snow.
Even years that see few Northeast snowstorms, Buffalo gets plenty of snow, and the residents are proud of it.

I’m not Canadian, but Toronto could be that gullible after a couple of dry years.
One winter when I visited Toronto, I was amused that passing cumulous clouds leaked snow on bright sunny days, leaving trails of light snow flurries.

There were some New England towns that took NOAA’s warm winter predictions seriously, back during Hansen’s reign in NOAA.

I’m not aware of their selling their plows, but they did stop funding plow maintenance and purchasing road salt.
When Northeaster’s hit, those towns were caught with unrepaired plows and empty salt stores.
Hiring private snow plows and buying salt at midwinter prices or leaving snow where it fell were common choices.

Washington DC’s snow removal for several years was so inept that comedians mocked DC’s Nature plan for snow removal; i.e., Nature put the snow there, Nature can remove it, eventually.

Perhaps, New York City and surrounding suburbs’ snow removal capability were also seriously deteriorated?

Allan MacRae
Reply to  Ben Vorlich
September 27, 2021 5:53 am

Yes Ben – Tricky and highly demanding of the men doing the real work.

How many times have hardworking engineers, technicians and tradesmen had to work 24/7 in difficult conditions to bail out imbecilic politicians who have not had an intelligent thought in decades?
See my note sent to Baroness Verma in 2013 re “the perfect storm”. Nailed it.
Green politicians are among the most stupid and destructive idiots on the planet.
There is a special place in hell reserved for these pompous. smug, corrupted imbeciles.

Rich Davis
September 26, 2021 6:43 am

Will the zealots relent from only a few deaths due to exposure? I fear that they will not. Rather I’d expect that those will be classified as Covid deaths.

Scissor
Reply to  Rich Davis
September 26, 2021 6:54 am

Solar powered ventilators are effective.

HotScot
Reply to  Rich Davis
September 26, 2021 6:56 am

Judging by the damage done to the Nation by insane covid policies, our government will have no compunction over murdering people in the scientific folly of NetZero and saving the planet.

Ron Long
Reply to  HotScot
September 26, 2021 7:54 am

This cultural state of “hoping to survive a bleak winter” is a retrograde signal that only a CAGW fool would ignore. So, of coarse, they will ignore it.

n.n
Reply to  HotScot
September 26, 2021 8:50 am

Planned parent/hood is a viable sociopolitical policy for “burden” reduction. Think Roe, Roe, Roe your …

Denying science and rational choices is a means to consolidate capital and control in minority (e.g. democratic/dictatorial) hands. Take a knee, beg, good girl, boy.

It’s an ideological bent. Why wouldn’t they. Let us bray (sic).

Dave Fair
Reply to  n.n
September 26, 2021 11:27 am

Roe, Roe, Roe your rant.

Reply to  Dave Fair
September 26, 2021 5:50 pm

“To eliminate the scourge of White Supremacy, we, today, passed the Women’s Health Protection Act to ensure that every BIPOC can abort a child right up until, and sometimes after, birth.”

Makes perfect sense – to any racist Leftist.

Dave Fair
Reply to  writing observer
September 26, 2021 5:59 pm

Where did you get the quote, WO?

Dave Fair
Reply to  writing observer
September 26, 2021 6:02 pm

I loved the part where they are fighting white supremacy by killing BIPOCs, if that is an actual quote.

Last edited 2 months ago by Dave Fair
SxyxS
Reply to  Rich Davis
September 26, 2021 8:06 am

Why should they.
While the communists systematically killed millions , the New York Times systematically covered the killings up (and the other newspapers and journalists went along) and attacked and ridiculed everyone who did not go along with their fairy-tales- with success and for half a century.

Where ‘ s the problem in covering up a few 10000 victims a year as long none of the victims goes by the name George Floyd?

Mr.
Reply to  SxyxS
September 26, 2021 8:54 am

I hear there’s a glut of fentalyn on the streets now that George has given it up.

Reply to  Mr.
September 26, 2021 10:03 am

ITYM fentanyl…

Mr.
Reply to  Leo Smith
September 26, 2021 11:10 am

George was taking that too?

n.n
Reply to  Rich Davis
September 26, 2021 8:52 am

Antihistamines and azithromycin as a treatment for COVID-19 on primary health care – A retrospective observational study in elderly patients
By the end of June [2020], 100% of the residents had positive serology for COVID-19. Although clinical trials are needed to determine the efficacy of both drugs in the treatment of COVID-19, this analysis suggests that primary care diagnosis and treatment with antihistamines, plus azithromycin in selected cases, may treat COVID-19 and prevent progression to severe disease in elderly patients.

Wade
Reply to  Rich Davis
September 26, 2021 9:38 am

I am convinced that most politicians would gladly let 1 billion people die and 4 billion people suffer permanent poverty for just 1 micrometer more power. Imagine what they would do and would let happen for a lot more power.

Pops
Reply to  Wade
September 26, 2021 10:52 am

Ir boils down to this. Would you rather live in a cave, or a nice warm house? Do you drive a car for transportation or walk? Do you expect the rest of us to do that while our supposed betters drive the v8 SUVs while we hunker down and suck on it? Not gonna happen. I know global warming is real. The northern migration of certain species in North America is a fact. We need to use our technology to sequester CO2, switch to a hydrogen economy and explore other power sources, not just expect someone else to do without while others live it up. Until those who think they are in leadership roles pony up and set a good, energy conservative example, common folks like me are going to scoff at their sincerity. Just sayin.
Pops

Joe Gordon
Reply to  Pops
September 26, 2021 11:33 am

Your experiences are real, sure. But interpretation is difficult. Some species will migrate over small temperature changes. The problem with computer modelling of climate is that “scientists” have to make decisions on which variables they model and how to use those variables. It’s not reality. It’s 0s and 1s inside a machine. Politics, of course, makes those scientists more likely to make poor modeling choices. And this idea that a short-term trend continues indefinitely? If the climate worked that way, we’d all be clustered at the equator or the poles within a few hundred years. We have 100-200 years of fairly good data for a world that’s been around billions of years. And still, apparently the 1930s is getting colder every day, because the models tell us that the people recording the weather in the 1930s couldn’t read thermometers properly and always wrote down higher temperatures than they should have. Politicians are not scientists. They are gamblers who have figured out that if a coin flip goes one way a couple of times, they can gain a lot of power by screaming that the world will end because Science says the coin is now hopelessly broken because people like you enjoy your lives without them telling you what to do. The world will be okay. It took a while to pile up piles of dead junk, and the world survived that. It will also survive us burning off a bit of that dead stuff while we figure out better ways to move electrons around. I’d worry more about the influence of politicians. The birds will be back.

AndyHce
Reply to  Pops
September 26, 2021 2:54 pm

Unfortunately I don’t have any links but I read a few papers published in the early 1950s about migrations north for quite a few species, especially marine, apparently due to the 20s through 40s warming. My impression is that they returned southward with the cooling that followed that warming episode.

Sciguy54
Reply to  AndyHce
September 29, 2021 7:36 am

Since the early 1990s Canadian Geese have been crapping all over us in southern Dixie. I wish things would heat up enough to send them back home. Seriously, lots of factors besides micro changes in temperature, real or concocted, will lead mobile species to migrate into new areas.

Mike Lowe
Reply to  Rich Davis
September 26, 2021 12:55 pm

And Carrie’s suggested cure will be even more windmills! And Boris will believe her.

September 26, 2021 6:46 am

Some hundreds of windmills will be shut down in Germany as subsidize runs out.

Last edited 2 months ago by Krishna Gans
Pflashgordon
Reply to  Krishna Gans
September 26, 2021 7:04 am

If you examine a wind potential map of Germany, it shows that as a whole, the potential for wind power in Germany was poor from the start. That didn’t stop the politicians though.

SxyxS
Reply to  Pflashgordon
September 26, 2021 8:18 am

Same with solar energy in Germany.

It’s no good idea to try to make a living by hunting polar bears in ant arctica for obvious reasons
but for some reason any hilarious idea is great as long as it can be wrapped into good intentions.
And the crazier the idea the higher the number parasites ,
as bullshit ideas always result in a negative selection of bullshit people.

griff
Reply to  SxyxS
September 26, 2021 8:50 am

That’s a daft statement.

Most German solar is in the south of the country.

Regularly delivers 24 to 34 GW power over large stretches of the day for 6 months of the year.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1105875/solar-pv-power-plants-in-germany/

Vuk
Reply to  griff
September 26, 2021 9:01 am

Hi Griffo,
You silly boy, not much else can be said.

mark from the midwest
Reply to  griff
September 26, 2021 9:35 am

Griff, Munich is 48 degrees north. From late November to mid January the sun is so low that solar panels can only produce about 20-30% of their nameplate output for a couple hours a day, and that’s assuming it’s a sunny day. We have a local utility that bought into solar that’s installed here, (46% north), and they finally admitted that the output they get from Nov 1 through March 1 isn’t enough to cover the costs of removing the snow and ice.

griff
Reply to  mark from the midwest
September 27, 2021 3:33 am

which is when the wind on the N German plain kicks in

Andrew Wilkins
Reply to  griff
September 26, 2021 9:52 am

And for the other 6 months of the year? Or do Germans only use electricity for half the year?

Thomas
Reply to  Andrew Wilkins
September 26, 2021 10:46 am

Andrew. This year, probably yes.

Andrew Wilkins
Reply to  Thomas
September 26, 2021 10:54 am

Very droll Thomas!

Ben Vorlich
Reply to  griff
September 26, 2021 9:57 am

Problem is Griff ib winter whem peak demand in Germany is 80GW solar manages 6GW on odd days quite often 1 or 2 GW In winter Germany often has a shortfall of 5GW or more. On 23 September 2021 Germany was over supplying its own grid by 15GW at noon.

Both situations cause major problems for an integrated European Grid. Poland doesn’t like Germany lecturing about Polish coal fired generation and having surplus German renewable dumped onto its grid to deal with.

https://energy-charts.info/charts/power/chart.htm?l=en&c=DE&stacking=stacked_absolute_area&week=38

I’ve asked you to try living your life using electricity only when renewables are running at 50% of installed capacity. I assume that you haven’t tried in the last couple of months.

MarkW
Reply to  griff
September 26, 2021 11:00 am

What do they do the other 6 months of the year? Batteries?

griff
Reply to  MarkW
September 27, 2021 3:33 am

wind!

jtom
Reply to  griff
September 26, 2021 11:27 am

LOL, so for six months out of the year, it produces little to nothing, for half of the remainder of the year, nighttime, it produces nothing, but for a few hours during several days it can put out about 29 GW (your average, not that I have any faith in it). Go ahead, try running an electric grid on that.

BTW, “ Since 2013, the number of new installations declined significantly due to more restrictive governmental policies.” That’s not very indicative of a success.

Dave Fair
Reply to  griff
September 26, 2021 11:31 am

Delivered when it is not most needed and at great cost.

Graemethecat
Reply to  Dave Fair
September 27, 2021 12:56 am

…and unavailable when needed most.

Reply to  griff
September 26, 2021 3:16 pm

My BS detector flashes bright red lights when reading your comment, nothing more to say, it’s already all said above 😀

Carguy Pete
Reply to  griff
September 26, 2021 5:20 pm

griff, why do you persist in defending the indefensible?

You are coming off as a dupe.

griff
Reply to  Carguy Pete
September 27, 2021 3:36 am

Because I am pointing out facts.

which would otherwise not penetrate the skeptic bubble.

solar for summer, huge percentage of demand; wind for winter, huge percentage of demand…

cross EU links to ship renewable energy from windiest and sunniest areas, based on day ahead prediction and pricing.

Is this the final design and set up? No. another 30 years to get to net zero.

Jim Gorman
Reply to  griff
September 27, 2021 5:52 am

Do you honestly think monied people are going to invest in either if they are only receiving revenue for half of a year?

Yooper
Reply to  griff
September 27, 2021 11:21 am

Yup, net zero power, all the time. I have hydro, supplied by the largest reservoir on the planet, Lake Superior. OBTW: the hydro plant is over 110 years old.

Shanghai Dan
Reply to  griff
September 26, 2021 10:00 pm

Wondering how a graph of the number of solar installations relates in any way, shape or form to your claim about power delivery.

mark from the midwest
Reply to  Pflashgordon
September 26, 2021 8:43 am

Our youngest daughter is college housemates with a young woman from Ireland who has observed that the wind there is either so “calm that the windmills don’t spin or so blatantly violent that the windmills are shut down.” You do the math …

HotScot
September 26, 2021 6:52 am

Will NeZero meet it’s Waterloo at COP26?

The world is laughing at the UK. No amount of Boris bluster can extricate him from this humiliation of the Nation.

He was elected to complete one job, get Brexit done, but that went to his head and he’ll suffer for it, but not nearly as much as the Nation.

bonbon
Reply to  HotScot
September 26, 2021 9:26 am

BoJo’s ‘Global Britain’ resulted in the AUKUS debacle so he has other objectives entirely. Now that the US cannot police Asia anymore, what is the City of London to do? The Quad is in full swing. In other words London has simply forgotten infrastructure, energy, in it’s insane hegemonic tantrum. It seems they still follow Cecil Rhodes.

HotScot
September 26, 2021 6:58 am

Will it be a bleak winter?

I watched the Russian F1 race today and noticed snow on the hills in the background. Even the commentators stated they had never seen that at this time of year.

Make up your own mind.

Reply to  HotScot
September 26, 2021 7:06 am

The coming days:

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Dave Fair
Reply to  Krishna Gans
September 26, 2021 11:39 am

Yeah, but they will have heatwaves in Iceland and North Africa.

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mark from the midwest
Reply to  HotScot
September 26, 2021 8:44 am

Just the fact that there is a Russian F1 race is an indication that nothing is as expected.

Gary
September 26, 2021 7:45 am

I’ve just bought a 800w suitcase generator – I’m pretty sure there will be power cuts this winter in the UK

Mr.
Reply to  Gary
September 26, 2021 8:57 am

Have you worked out what you can run with 800W Gary?

bonbon
Reply to  Mr.
September 26, 2021 9:13 am

The TV and laptop. No deed for a fridge – put the stuff outside. That way the BBC will tell about the warmest winter evah….

Gary
Reply to  Mr.
September 27, 2021 3:35 am

Yes, just need to keep the boiler running (160watts) for heating and hot water (assuming there is gas), keep the router and laptop/phone charged and perhaps run some LED lights. I have a gas cooker and a wood burning stove.

Adrian Wright
Reply to  Gary
September 26, 2021 9:23 am

I’ve just bought a 2.8Kw generator for the upcoming UK power cuts..

Mr.
Reply to  Adrian Wright
September 26, 2021 11:14 am

Geez, I had a 6 KVA and still had to have a power usage plan.

Mind you, electric water pumps cycling on & off draw a shedload when the motors first kick in.

James Beaver
Reply to  Mr.
September 29, 2021 6:26 pm

Look for a pump motor “soft start” system. These can reduce the starting power surge by ~ 75%.

HotScot
Reply to  Adrian Wright
September 26, 2021 3:12 pm

I’ve just ordered a 7Kw genny to power the central heating, fridge and lights. I nearly bought a dedicated 13Kw complete with Auto Transfer Switch to power the whole house but at £5,000 I figured it was over the top for power cuts that will probably last no more than a few hours at a time.

DCE
Reply to  HotScot
September 27, 2021 11:39 am

You hope. One good ice storm bringing down some major transmission lines and power could be out for a few days. Not that I’ve ever seen any big ice storms in the UK, but with all of this globull warmening you never can tell…

J Mac
September 26, 2021 7:48 am

Hmmm… Using low cost coal to power the electrical grid or committing the ultimate ‘virtue signalling’ by letting the old folks freeze to death because your ‘green’ energy is fatally unreliable. Tough choice, eh? Not for any moral soul.

Rich Davis
Reply to  J Mac
September 26, 2021 3:59 pm

Letting the old unwoke folk die is a feature, not a bug. Why do you think covid patients were put into nursing homes?

Pamela Matlack-Klein
Reply to  J Mac
September 27, 2021 2:48 am

It won’t be only the oldsters freezing to death, most of us seniors have the ability to bundle up and find ways to keep warm. Youngsters and infants are more likely to freeze to death in their beds, a real tragedy.

oeman 50
September 26, 2021 8:29 am

Just build more wind turbines that don’t work when there is no wind! There, problem solved!

Nigel in California
Reply to  oeman 50
September 26, 2021 9:53 am

“Low wind speeds”

Is this also going to be considered ‘extreme weather’?

mark from the midwest
September 26, 2021 8:37 am

In the words of “Church Lady” ….. “Imagine that!”

Rich Davis
Reply to  mark from the midwest
September 26, 2021 4:00 pm

Isn’t that special?

griff
September 26, 2021 8:44 am

Really, it isn’t: UK hasn’t had any coal running last 3 days, now nukes finished maintenance.

There’s no shortage of gas for UK – just money for consumers to pay for it.

Mr.
Reply to  griff
September 26, 2021 9:02 am

Well if £££s is the only issue with gas supply, just print tons more £££s.

After all, you can’t put a cost on virtue.

rah
Reply to  griff
September 26, 2021 9:06 am

Just a few posts ago you said it was because of a lack of truck drivers Griff. And you wonder why nobody here believes a thing your post?

Editor
Reply to  rah
September 26, 2021 9:20 am

Apparently people still read them. 🙂 And reply 🙁

rah
Reply to  Ric Werme
September 26, 2021 10:12 am

Just pointing out idiocy. It needs to be pointed out.

AndyHce
Reply to  rah
September 26, 2021 3:03 pm

Why?

rah
Reply to  AndyHce
September 26, 2021 9:40 pm

Because some people don’t understand the value of confronting the liars in this world but by their silence are getting along to go along.

Mr.
Reply to  Ric Werme
September 26, 2021 11:17 am

As I’ve said before – Griff provides me with a learning experience every time he comments.

I learn from the responses to his idiotic falsehoods though, not from anything he posts.

Graemethecat
Reply to  rah
September 27, 2021 1:00 am

A liar needs a good memory. Griff forgets what he has said in the past.

griff
Reply to  rah
September 27, 2021 3:31 am

er… some confusion of terms there, as not same in US and UK: the Natural Gas has price issues, the petrol – gas to the US – is having truck issues

LdB
Reply to  griff
September 27, 2021 11:46 pm

But you don’t need either Griff … so tell them to leave it all alone and save the planet mate.

bonbon
Reply to  griff
September 26, 2021 9:30 am

There’s plenty of fuel, there’s no shortage of the fuel within the country,” British transport minister Grant Shapps said, as quoted by Sky News
“So the most important thing is actually that people carry on as they normally would and fill up their cars when they normally would, then you won’t have queues and you won’t have shortages at the pump either,” he added.

In other words queues are causing the problem!

This takes the biscuit!

Reply to  bonbon
September 26, 2021 10:09 am

IN fact a rabid anti-brexiter has been unmasked as deliberately leaking a memo from an oil company to cause panic buyng and fuel shortages so it could all be blamed on brexit.

Reply to  griff
September 26, 2021 10:17 am

Well, that is a pure lie, Griff. only one reactor is back on from the six that were down.

I had considered you merely deluded. but I now see that you must be in the pay of Big Green.

Tut Tut!
In fact we had a couple of days of 5GW wind. It now nearly 10GW, But don’t worry. It never lasts…

MarkW
Reply to  griff
September 26, 2021 11:10 am

You have been celebrating the fact that these coal plants are slated to be shut down and destroyed for the last few years.
Now you are telling us that there is no problem with renewables, because the coal plants are available to take up the slack when the wind fails.

BTW, do you have any idea how much it costs to keep coal plants ready to produce power for those times when wind fails? Do you care?

BTW, adequate supply and high prices are not two concepts that often go together. The reason why gas prices have been so high, is precisely becuase the supply isn’t keeping up with demand.

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Rich Davis
Reply to  MarkW
September 26, 2021 4:12 pm

Trying to explain supply and demand to the old Bolshevik, Mark?

griff
Reply to  MarkW
September 27, 2021 3:32 am

It was a choice to put coal back on – at 2% of UK electricity over 2 years, it is hardly ‘necessary’

CapitalistRoader
Reply to  griff
September 27, 2021 7:42 am

Er, until you have an unusually cold and windless winter. Just ask Texas. Then coal becomes very “necessary.’

jtom
Reply to  griff
September 26, 2021 11:36 am

Coal has been used for 22 days of the last 26, not because the output of the nukes dropped, but because the output of the wind turbines was so low.

And the price of natural gas reflects its availability. If anything is produced anywhere, there is no shortage for those who have the money to pay for it.
http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/

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ResourceGuy
Reply to  griff
September 26, 2021 5:05 pm

Economic illiteracy on display this time

Ted
Reply to  ResourceGuy
September 27, 2021 11:12 am

Hey, there’s regular illiteracy also. The post said preparing to use coal for winter, not using coal for mild fall days.

rah
September 26, 2021 8:50 am

This winter, the next, or some winter afterwards. Sooner or later the chickens are going to come home to roost for those in power and the elitist rich they serve at the expense of the common man. Their attempts of division and subjugation by fear have progressed from mere abstracts to lockdowns and other measures and finally have reached the point of real physical enforcement as we see in Australia.

I totally agree with the following monolog. Neil Oliver: “The Strongest Smell of Fear is Coming From Government” – “It Smells Like Victory, Hold The Line”
https://youtu.be/qfvOOY0SbyA

AndyHce
Reply to  rah
September 26, 2021 3:07 pm

History says these dire political oppressions can outlast multiple generations. Don’t get your hopes up too high, the crash just hurts more.

rah
Reply to  AndyHce
September 26, 2021 9:38 pm

You have only lost when YOU determine you have lost and quit. Never give in! Never give up! A lesson I learned initially going through the SFQC.

Bruce Cobb
September 26, 2021 8:59 am

The Claxon call for some time now of the Climate Caterwaulers is “They Knew”. Meaning I guess that “We Didn’t Know”. Conspiracy much? Because “Climate Change” has beeen this deep, dark secret, until now. Or something.
Irony alert: When the whole Climate Fraud finally falls apart, with the climate rats jumping ship everywhere, the shoe will be on the other foot. They will be the ones who will be sued, and even put in jail for all their lies. Schadenfreude anyone?

n.n
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
September 26, 2021 11:12 am

Karmic irony.

Robert Hanson
Reply to  n.n
September 26, 2021 6:08 pm

Just like Hunter Biden?

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Robert Hanson
September 27, 2021 1:52 pm

And then there’s John Durham:

https://www.npr.org/2021/09/16/1038035231/the-trump-russia-probe-special-counsel-has-charged-a-lawyer-with-lying-to-the-fb

Hunter better hope the Republicans don’t take control of the House of Representatives after the 2022 elections. If they do, then Hunter is going to get himself a big investigation of his activities. Even if his daddy is still president.

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Peta of Newark
September 26, 2021 9:25 am

Quote:”Europe is switching back to coal to survive bleak winter”
Sorry. No no no. Wrong

Auntie Beeb has the remedy “thanks to global gas markets a”
Er, excuse meGlobal‘?????? Pass the buck why don’t you…
Vladimir is doing nothing more the Her Majesty’s UK Government does on a daily basis, scare the sh!t out of people so as to drum up money

some people‘ take to sitting out in the middle of busy motorways – they feel relatively safe out there – can many here can blame them?

Here we are tadaaaaaaah….
BBC Headline:”Heat pumps: What are the alternatives to gas boilers?
Go there at your peril: venture into a more hideous outpouring of Weasel Words you have ever seen.
Thus, and considering the human animal always gives away its attempts at mendacity – things ain’t looking good

Of perfectly trifling concern to all those at the BBC BUT….
Where Is All The Required Electricity Coming From?

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David Stone CEng
Reply to  Peta of Newark
September 27, 2021 2:21 am

The best idea would be to disconnect the BBC from the Grid. There would be diesel generators there in a flash!

John F Hultquist
September 26, 2021 10:56 am

Wind – –
Where is a report on wind expectations over time, and
then what is happening?
“How fickle is wind?” {substituting wind for woman in Rhett Butler’s line.}

Burn coal, not wood pellets!

Rich T.
September 26, 2021 11:47 am
Gordon A. Dressler
September 26, 2021 11:58 am

Sic transit renovare.

Rich T.
September 26, 2021 12:04 pm

The status of each Nuke plant is here. https://www.edfenergy.com/energy/power-station/daily-statuses. A few not up for power generation at this point. More current information for Griffey poo.

griff
Reply to  Rich T.
September 27, 2021 3:29 am

Thanks – yes: there I see a Hinkley reactor shut down for maintenance – type of maintenance ‘unplanned’.

LdB
Reply to  griff
September 27, 2021 11:48 pm

So begs the question what do they put against unreliables when they aren’t running … “unplanned”????

September 26, 2021 1:04 pm

Driving though central Texas on Saturday, the winds were near dead calm. My drive takes me past several large winds farms with about a 100/each of big 2MW turbines. They all stood blades-feathered and still. Not awatt of power being generated. Yes, amazingly somehow their were no reportes of black-outs or power cuts.

IanE
September 26, 2021 1:10 pm

Blimey, is it Winter already? Last I looked it was September.

Thomas Gasloli
September 26, 2021 1:16 pm

Well, under the previous US president there was discussion of LNG sales to Europe, but that all switched to the Russian pipeline at the request of Mutti to dementia Joe. Europe is getting exactly what they asked for and the odds are the voters will just double down on dumb in future elections.

September 26, 2021 3:43 pm

Greenies are just beginning to get a glimpse of what is coming around the corner in tow from their glorious glittering ‘renewable’ CO2-free energy push. They will not like the look or feel of it when it gets up close to them.

John Sandhofner
September 26, 2021 5:47 pm

“It remains to be seen how the European utilities will balance the rise in carbon emissions and consumer sentiment against the unavailability or unaffordability of power from less carbon-intensive sources.” If they had half a brain they would realize CO2 is not a problem and ignore the greenies. The world is wasting billions of dollars chasing a foolish idea. If they really wanted to help the poor they would take that money and put ii into businesses to employ them.

Serge Wright
September 27, 2021 12:47 am

This is a serious situation but one cannot escape from noting the twist of irony at the prospect of having people freezing to death due to nonsensical attempts to thwart a slight warming that is too small to be noticed by people without the aid of thermometers and by measures that would reduce temperatures by an amount so tiny it could never be measured anyway. And all the while China alone will increase it’s emissions by many times the total of all UK emissions in the next decade and yet will be hailed as a climate leader by the same fanatical green groups that claim the world will boil unless this immeasurable local action to reach net zero is taken.

griff
September 27, 2021 3:27 am

Just check out Gridwatch: coal offline for most of last week.

Mark BLR
Reply to  griff
September 27, 2021 7:53 am

Just check out Gridwatch: coal offline for most of last week.

I switched to using BM Reports (for most “metered” sources) and ESO (for “Embedded” Wind and Solar + interconnect export values) about 18 months ago because Gridwatch was a bit labour-intensive to work with (I ended up using a C program to “curate / filter out” the occasional “obviously wrong” value).

“Coal” output was indeed reduced for the last 5 days of the available data (since the 22nd of September, i.e. last Wednesday), with 4 of those 5 days registering “0.0” GWh output (see graph below).

NB : If anyone can see any (major) differences between the Gridwatch data and my graph below, please point them out (with specific dates and numbers !).

Let’s see what else is true …

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From Wikipedia’s “Wind power in the United Kingdom” page (direct link), which is a good a place as any to start checking the actual data …

By the beginning of September 2021, the UK had 10,973 wind turbines with a total installed capacity of over 24.2 gigawatts: 13.8 gigawatts of onshore capacity and 10.4 gigawatts of offshore capacity …

~24.2 GW x 24 (hours) = (just over) 580 GWh “nameplate capacity” per day.

My graph is for “the island of Great Britain” rather than “the UK” (which includes Northern Ireland, connected to GB via the Moyle and East-West inter-connectors …), but for the chosen period (since the 1st of August 2021) the peak output for “WInd” was around 300 GWh (on the 13th of August).

300 / 580 ~= 51.5% … and that’s the peak output !

On each of the 24-hour periods labelled “2/8” and “3/8” below the output for “Wind” was 24 GWh, or roughly four percent of that 580 GWh “nominal capacity” …

– – – – –

Looking at my graph for the UK some “obvious” questions that arise include (but are by no means limited to) :

1a) What happened to “Wind” output from the 19th of August to the 21st of September ?
1b) Which source of electricity “took up the slack” during that period ?

2a) What happened to “Wind” on the 25th (two days ago, i.e. Saturday) ?
2b) Which source of electricity “took up the slack” that particular day ?

3) Do you (plural) really want to rely on “Wind + Solar (+ Biomass ?) + Batteries” for GB’s electricity grid ?

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CapitalistRoader
Reply to  griff
September 27, 2021 7:56 am

Check out January of this year:

2021/01/07IC Nsl: 0.00 IC Nem: 0.905 IC Ew: 0.00540 IC Irl: 0.0120 IC Ned: 0.00 IC2 France: 0.00 IC France: 0.879 Other: 0.269 Hydro: 0.559 Pumped Hydro: 0.323 Ocgt: 0.192 Oil: 0.00 Coal: 2.85 Solar: 0.436 Wind: 3.39 Biomass: 2.56 Ccgt: 19.6 Nuclear: 5.87

CapitalistRoader
Reply to  CapitalistRoader
September 27, 2021 8:15 am

Or later in the month this past January:

2020/01/22IC Nsl: 0.00 IC Nem: 0.0904 IC Ew: -0.490 IC Irl: -0.427 IC Ned: 0.136 IC2 France: 0.00 IC France: 1.12 Other: 0.179 Hydro: 0.810 Pumped Hydro: 0.284 Ocgt: 0.115 Oil: 0.00 Coal: 2.21 Solar: 0.186 Wind: 1.89 Biomass: 2.77 Ccgt: 21.8 Nuclear: 6.88

JCalvertN(UK)
September 29, 2021 1:42 pm

With a double-dip La Nina in the offing, the coming winter could be a much colder than normal one.
So we could be in for a double-whammy of bleak winter!

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