Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews. By Bentleigh electorate - Own work, CC BY-SA 4.0, link

Covid 1984 – KFC Smugglers and Brutal Police Repression

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

As some Republicans discuss possible sanctions against Australia over police brutality towards Covid lockdown protestors, New Zealand has just arrested occupants of a car with a trunk full of lockdown contraband KFC chicken meals.

US Republicans want to sanction Australia – because of the brutality against protests

20 Sep. 2021 21:36

The world’s sharpest lockdown and the massive intervention of the police against protests over the corona measures in Australia have now led to US Republicans wanting to resort to a means that is otherwise reserved for political opponents of the US: sanctions.

American Republicans urged the United States to impose sanctions on Australia this week in response to several cases where Australian police officers violently attacked “unauthorized protests”.

On Sunday said in an article Ben Kew – the English editor of the Florida Conservative magazine El American – That the Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison “has to pay for such shameless human rights violations”, which happened against protesters as well as against other Australians through the strict COVID-19 lockdown measures.

Read more: https://then24.com/2021/09/20/us-republicans-want-to-sanction-australia-because-of-the-brutality-against-protests/

Tweet from Republican Ben Kew;

A video of the protests.

The protests occurred after members of the construction industry refused mandatory vaccination. The Victorian premier retaliated by ordering a two week lockdown, an apparent attempt to starve the construction workers into submission. Construction workers immediately joined in a mass protest in Melbourne. So far there has been substantial use of rubber bullets and violent clashes with police.

Victoria Covid update: police arrest 44 people and fire rubber pellets during Melbourne construction protests

State health minister says closure of industry necessary to prevent spread of Covid and protests a ‘deplorable’ insult to Victorians

Caitlin Cassidy
Tue 21 Sep 2021 17.53 AEST

Thousands of protesters have gathered in Melbourne for a second day, clashing with police and blocking traffic on the West Gate Freeway, after authorities announced the forced closure of the construction industry for a fortnight due to ongoing concerns with “poor compliance” with health orders.

The Victorian health minister, Martin Foley, said there were 403 direct cases linked to construction across 186 sites with “multiple cases” having seeded to the regions.

Foley said the decision to close down the industry – estimated to cost more than $6bn – was due to a “combination of factors” but the protests were a “deplorable … insult to Victorians” that risked being super-spreader events.

“As a result of these figures, the public health team was left with no choice but to hit the pause button and continue working with the sector over these next two weeks to improve compliance … and slow the spread of the virus,” he said.

Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/sep/21/victoria-covid-update-rubber-bullets-fired-on-second-day-of-construction-protests-which-block-freeway

New Zealand has presented a stiff challenge to Victoria’s Covid insanity, with the news that eating KFC in New Zealand is now a serious felony, warranting a police chase and a hard stop.

New Zealand Covid: Men caught smuggling KFC into lockdown-hit Auckland

NZ police have made a bizarre arrest after a pair of alleged gang associates were caught trying to enter Auckland with a boot full of KFC chicken and tens of thousands of dollars.

The men were charged with breaching the country’s tough Covid-19 rules. 

Under Auckland’s strict Level 4 lockdown, all restaurants, including take-away services, remain closed.

Police said the men, aged 23 and 30, had travelled from Hamilton, about 75 miles south of Auckland. 

A police spokesperson told the BBC that officers made the arrest after they noticed a suspicious looking vehicle travelling on a gravel road on the outskirts of the city. 

“Upon seeing the police car, the vehicle did a u-turn and sped off trying to evade police,” they said. “The vehicle was searched and police located the cash, alongside empty ounce bags and a large amount of takeaways.”

Read more: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-pacific-58638752

Regardless of where you stand on Covid lockdowns, what is happening in Victoria and New Zealand is not just wrong, but seriously Orwellian. I really wish politicians would look themselves in the mirror, and ask themselves how we got to the point where smuggling KFC is treated as a serious felony, while in Victoria, people attempting to execute their democratic right to free assembly are met with a hail of rubber bullets, rather than someone prepared to listen to their grievances.

Ever wake up and wonder what happened to the world we grew up in? The Babylon Bee, a political satire site, had to start a sister site Not the Bee, which is dedicated to reporting real life weirdness, because political parody which stands out from every day life is a real challenge in today’s world.

Update (EW): h/t CTM – Woman being arrested in Melbourne Sydney for the crime of wearing a placard protesting government policy.

Update (EW): James Delingpole has written a brilliant article on Breitbart, detailing some of the horrific injuries being suffered by unarmed Melbourne lockdown protestors.

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Rah
September 21, 2021 6:15 pm

“The protected need to be protected from the unprotected by forcing the unprotected to use the protection that is not protecting the protected”

Reply to  Rah
September 21, 2021 11:14 pm

MEDICAL SCHOOLS UPDATE HIPPOCRATIC OATH TO EXCLUDE THE UNVACCINATED
https://babylonbee.com/news/medical-schools-update-hippocratic-oath-to-exclude-unborn-unvaccinated
September 21st, 2021 – BabylonBee.com
 
WASHINGTON, D.C.—Members of The Association of American Medical Colleges (AAMC) voted this week to make major changes to the Hippocratic Oath for the first time since the 1960’s. Specifically, the Oath for new doctors is being adjusted to exclude both the unborn and the unvaccinated. 

“The changes we’re making to the Oath are long overdue,” said Dr. Sarah Butcher, a member of the AAMC ruling council. “The concept that physicians should attempt to do no harm to the unborn or the unvaccinated has no place in modern society.”

Butcher said the famous first line of the Oath will be updated to read, “I promise to do no harm unless it’s killing a little unborn baby who’s really not a person yet. Also, since anyone who refused the vaccine is basically asking to die of COVID, I will let them suffer and die a horrifying death to set an example for others.” 

Several other changes are also being made to the Oath, including the following new sections: 
·        A vow to wear a mask at all times, even while showering and sleeping, to prevent any possibility of spreading infection to others. 
 
·        A promise to provide preferential treatment to BIPOC and LGBTQ populations whenever possible while ensuring that white male oppressors get sent to the back of the line. 
 
·        Swearing to always follow the latest science, as defined by whatever new study CNN is reporting that day. 
In addition to the changes in the Oath, the AAMC also announced updates to the educational requirements required for new doctors. “The requirements for licensure have changed slightly,” Butcher said. “We now require licensed doctors to either have a traditional four-year medical school degree or at least 1,000 hours of experience surfing WebMd.”

MarkH
Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
September 21, 2021 11:44 pm

I literally had a conversation with work colleagues at lunch (virtual lunch) in which they seriously proposed that the “unvaccinated” be excluded from the health system and be forced to use separate hospitals that they must pay for. I told them I’d be happy to do that as long as I didn’t have to pay for the healthcare of other people who have medical issues due to their poor life choices (morbid obesity, type 2 diabetes, smoking and alcohol related illnesses, drunk drivers injured in car accidents, etc).

These poor people, who are all in their 30s and at a very low risk from COVID, have been driven utterly mad by the propaganda. They are well on the way to suggesting that the unvaccinated should be marched out into fields and shot. I wish I was joking.

Reply to  MarkH
September 22, 2021 2:50 am

History reruns.

Sparko
Reply to  Krishna Gans
September 22, 2021 3:48 am

It’s a process. For some people ethics is something they just pay lip service to.

Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
September 22, 2021 4:52 am

Yes, I know, that’s why I wrote it.

Reply to  Krishna Gans
September 22, 2021 2:59 pm

I know Krishna.. And you are correct.
My father and uncle fought the last war – it’s up to us this time.
At least there are no bullets and shells flying around – yet!

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/07/14/biden-administration-working-to-undermine-america/#comment-3292134
 
“Never give up! Never give up! Never give up!”
– Sir Winston Churchill
 
Millions of good men fought and died to preserve your liberty.
Stand your ground against this tyranny.
Stand and fight!
This is THE hill to die on.
Yours aye, Allan MacRae
____________________________
 
This story shall the good man teach his son;
And Crispin Crispian shall ne’er go by,
From this day to the ending of the world,
But we in it shall be rememberèd—
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne’er so vile,
This day shall gentle his condition;
And gentlemen in England now a-bed
Shall think themselves accurs’d they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us upon Saint Crispin’s day.
– William Shakespeare, Henry V

Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
September 22, 2021 5:40 am

Add:
If I read and listen around, the vocabulary used for non vaccinated is the same as used 88(ups) years ago.

Sara
Reply to  Krishna Gans
September 22, 2021 8:11 am

I get paid over $100 per hour working from home with 2 kids at home . I never thought I’d be able to do it but my best friend earns over 15k a month doing this and she convinced me to try. The potential with this is endless .
Here’s what I have been doing…… http://www.top6jobs.com

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Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Sara
September 22, 2021 8:19 pm

Really, how come spam obvious spam gets through, but legit comments sometimes don’t?

TonyG
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
September 23, 2021 7:46 am

how come spam obvious spam gets through

legit comments with certain words letter sequences in WPs default filter are automatically moderated. Word that contain “bad” words trigger it, like “sk!ll” or “d!et”. It’s the old Sc*nthorpe problem.

The spammers are posting original messages containing only the word “Great”, then coming back and editing them with the spam message.

Reply to  Krishna Gans
September 24, 2021 2:20 am

Watch professional sports in one year – most of the athletes who took the Covid-19 injection will have left the game – because they are no longer competitive. Professional athletes are highly-tuned humans, operating a the peak of fitness – they are the ‘canaries in the coal mine” and the vascular clogging caused by the injections will cause them sufficient harm to make them uncompetitive.
A D-dimer test will tell the story.

Reply to  MarkH
September 22, 2021 4:12 am

AS I WROTE BACK IN JUNE 2021, THE SUMMER “SPIKE” IN ALLEGED COVID-19 CASES IS CAUSED NOT BY THE VIRUS, BUT BY THE TOXIC VACCINES. MORE AND MORE DATA SUPPORTS THIS FACT.

”THE FUTURE WILL BE ABOUT FINDING A WAY TO REDUCE THE POPULATION.”
–  Jacques Attali, Senior Adviser to French President Francoise Mitterand, 1981

https://drtrozzi.com/2021/06/covid-vaccines-how-dangerous-are-they/
 
Does this look familiar to anyone? It was published in 1981 and attributed to Jacques Attali, a member of the Bilderberg Group and an adviser to French President Francoise Mitterand.

Does it look just like the Covid-19 scam? Apparently , a long safe-and-secure life is not for “the little people”. 
 
Question: Are our politicians and their families taking a placebo instead of the Covid-19 shot?.
 
[excerpt from the video]
At some point we normal people must begin to wonder, “Is this meant to harm us, and why is it being forced on us?”
Very credible scientists, doctors, and academics are using terms like “bioweapon” to describe these injections. Experts are describing the covid campaign with terms like: “genocide, eugenics, and population reduction.

”The future will be about finding a way to reduce the population. We start with the old, because as soon as they exceed 60-65 years, people live longer than they produce and that costs society dearly. Then the weak, then the useless that do not help society because there will always be more of them, and above all, ultimately, the stupid. Euthanasia targeting these groups; Euthanasia will have to be an essential tool in our future societies, in all cases. Of course we will not be able to execute people or build camps. We get rid of them by making them believe that it is for their own good. Overpopulation, and mostly useless, is something that is too costly economically. Socially, too, it is much better when the human machine comes to an abrupt standstill than when it gradually deteriorates. Neither will we be able to test millions upon millions of people for their intelligence, you bet that! We will find or cause something a pandemic targeting certain people, a real economic crisis or not, a virus affecting the old or the fat, it doesn’t matter, the weak will succumb to it, the fearful and stupid will believe in it and seek treatment. We will have made sure that treatment is in place, treatment that will be the solution. The selection of idiots then takes care of itself: You go to the slaughter by yourself.”
– Interviews with Michel Salomon – The Faces of the Future, Seghers edition, which was published in France by Emi Lit when Attali was a senior adviser to French President, Francoise Mitterand.
 
___________________________________________________

“Just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean they aren’t after you.” 
― Joseph Heller, Catch-22

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Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
September 28, 2021 3:12 am

The above post was apparently just approved after ~5 days in moderation. I just received the approval email this morning.
It IS a rather shocking allegation.
May I suggest that IF the Bilderberg Group or others want to reduce world population, they consider starting very close to home.
The world will always be better off with fewer murderous sociopaths.

Rhys Jaggar
Reply to  MarkH
September 22, 2021 5:22 am

Look mate, my sister is a security services psychopath who fronts as a ‘doctor’ and 20 years ago, she was openly discussing the concepts of how you made a ‘stepwise transition’ to a nazi state.

This has been in the planning since the 1990s and my sister was on the planning committee.

The totalitarian state with allied racism and ‘cleansing’ of a particular sub-population has been an overtly stated goal of the security Service cults for decadesS

Eric Vieira
Reply to  MarkH
September 22, 2021 7:49 am

You can also add expensive long lasting AIDS, or multi resistant TB therapy, etc… to the list.

Ted
Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
September 22, 2021 8:24 am

I missed the part where it came from the Bee, so I was surprised to see doctors even discussing the Hippocratic Oath. Medical schools had to abandon the oath years ago to allow for abortion on demand.

Reply to  Ted
September 22, 2021 3:05 pm

Ever wonder what’s the difference between a conspiracy theory and a fact? About four months…

Ever wake up and wonder what happened to the world we grew up in? The Babylon Bee, a political satire site, had to start a sister site Not the Bee, which is dedicated to reporting real life weirdness, because political parody which stands out from everyday life is a real challenge in today’s world.

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Carbon Bigfoot
Reply to  Rah
September 22, 2021 5:20 am

Australia and New Zealand have been gifted to the United States by Great Britain and US Soldiers are on the way to restore order to 51st State. New flags for everyone.

Editor
Reply to  Carbon Bigfoot
September 22, 2021 1:40 pm

Incorrect. New Xiland has not been gifted to the US, it remains with its current owner, China.

Reply to  Rah
September 23, 2021 12:35 am

Subject: DR MIKE YEADON – “CHILDREN ARE 50 TIMES MORE LIKELY TO DIE FROM THE COVID VACCINES THAN FROM THE VIRUS ITSELF”

MORE EVIDENCE THAT COVID-19 INJECTIONS ARE KILL SHOTS – TOLD YOU SO 3 MONTHS AGO.

There is no longer any doubt – the evidence is incontrovertible. The Covid-19 vaccines are ineffective and highly UNsafe.
 
The COVID-19 injections are kill shots – told you so 3 months ago IN June 2021.

Like the lockdowns, these toxic injections were never justified.
 
Regards, Allan MacRae, B.A.Sc., M.Eng.

SURE ALBERTA PREMIER KENNEY, LET’S COVID-VACCINATE ALL OUR KIDS
SURVIVAL RATE FROM MYOCARDITIS AFTER ~4 YEARS IS 20% TO 50%
THAT MEANS 50% TO 80% DIE. “SAFE AND EFFECTIVE”? NOT!

While few people will want to read a journal article from end to end, let alone one as complex & long as this one, it’s worth knowing a few things about myocarditis. Why? Because it appears to be a relatively commonplace adverse event in young people vaccinated with these gene-based products. I’ve seen estimates of 1:6000 and some even more common. The reason to post this is that we’re often told that “the cases are mild & resolve”. I’m not so sure about that. The reason that cannot be true is this: damaged & destroyed heart cells DO NOT REGENERATE. Whatever is killed in an episode of myocarditis is now carried as a burden for life & is reflected in reduced heart function. It literally pumps blood less well, permanently. Look at the survival graph. Depending on the cause, death rates over the following 1-5 years are terrifying, even best case we’re looking at 50% of those who suffer myocarditis dying within 5 years. Please do share this short summary with anyone thinking of encouraging a young person to get vaccinated, or who knows such a young person. There is nothing to gain for them in vaccination & it might literally cost them their health, even their life.
Best wishes, Dr Mike Yeadon

MYOCARDITIS
Current Trends in Diagnosis and Treatment
Jared W. Magnani and G. William Dec
Originally published 14 Feb 2006
https://doi.org/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.105.584532
https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/full/10.1161/circulationaha.105.584532

See Figure 5: comment image
________________________________________
 
Dr Mike Yeadon – “Children are 50 times more likely to die from the Covid Vaccines than from the virus itself”
BY DAILY EXPOSE ON JULY 9, 2021 • 
https://theexpose.uk/2021/07/09/dr-mike-yeadon-children-are-50-times-more-likely-to-die-from-the-covid-vaccines-than-from-the-virus-itself/
 
Dr Michael Yeadon says children are 50 times more likely to die from the Covid-19 vaccines than from the virus itself. His statement came as Pfizer tested its mRNA vaccine on children younger than 12 years old, including 6-month-old babies.

September 21, 2021 6:25 pm

There does seem to be a competition among politicians on who can be the.most egregious violator of civil rights while claiming to be preventing COVID transmission.Andrew Cuomo was forced to resign, but not for being a granny-killer. Given Jacinda Ardern’s history on gun rights, she was an obvious candidate for wretched excess on COVID.

Peter East
Reply to  Tom Halla
September 21, 2021 8:39 pm

And the gun buy back scheme, in general, saw guns handed in by law abiding citizens and the illegal guns being retained by gangs. There appears to be more crimes involving guns now than there was before the buy back commenced.
NZ Government has no plan to get out of this situation, other than lockdowns and severe travel restrictions.

Rah
Reply to  Peter East
September 21, 2021 9:16 pm

There is no such thing as a “gun buyback”. The government never owned those firearms and did not sell them to those that possessed them who were forced by law to turn them in to the government. Using their Orwellian language only empowers them.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Rah
September 21, 2021 9:54 pm

Since the government “bought” them with public money, the gun owners in effect had to pay for them twice and had nothing to show for it. In other words it was plain and simple theft and government over reach. It took place here in Canada too.

Duker
Reply to  Rory Forbes
September 22, 2021 12:52 am

Same would apply to any private property bought by government, national or local. Public money?
Your argument is nonsense.
Many owners were glad of the money for a legacy gun they no longer used, others had them modified at taxpayer expense to make them compliant.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Duker
September 22, 2021 1:44 am

Same would apply to any private property bought by government

Wrong. That is rarely compelled.

My argument is irrefutable. The people are the government and it has no money of its own. Therefore it bought my gun with my money.

Many people inexplicably vote for Marxist governments, too. That doesn’t make them reasonable people. Modified how? Who decided what was needed for compliance and why? Those things were often decided by people with absolutely no expertise with firearms. Their only qualification, apparently, is believing in the precautionary principle. It’s unlikely gun buy-backs save any lives at all. Nothing is gained but a weaker public.

ATheoK
Reply to  Rory Forbes
September 22, 2021 5:08 am

With seizure of other real properties, e.g., land, buildings, waterways, boats, etc.; the government must process through legal channels each and every seizure.

The same process should be required for their fanciful gun “Buy Back” schemes.
The government and certain government legislators fear guns, irrationally and revert to draconian psychopathological reasons, means and methods.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  ATheoK
September 22, 2021 11:01 am

The thing is, the whole “gun buy back” scheme has no practical value to the tax payer. It is nothing but pandering to irrational people who irrationally fear guns in the hands of law abiding people, while also laying the government’s fear of an armed electorate. It’s why Hitler also initiated gun confiscation.

Taking guns from the population emboldens governments to do exactly what we’re now observing with the “virus”. They’re using every population control method made so popular in the totalitarian states our fathers fought to protect us from.

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D. J. Hawkins
Reply to  ATheoK
September 22, 2021 12:23 pm

With seizure of other real properties, e.g., land, buildings, waterways, boats, etc.; the government must process through legal channels each and every seizure.

Ohhh, you only wish. Look up “civil forfeiture” and read/watch some of the cases. It will make your blood boil. In the US, if police/feds of any stripe think that maybe, possibly, there is a remote outside chance your cash or property is the result of, or in support of, illegal activity they just take your stuff. You have to sue them to get it back.

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buggs
Reply to  Rory Forbes
September 22, 2021 10:13 am

That the government has no funds itself seems to be largely lost on most of the populace. I’ve had people with Ph.D’s ask why the government doesn’t just print more money and give it to the people. Utterly insane and ignorant.

Government’s only have as much money as they dredge out of the public via taxes and other similar devices. “Buying back” anything isn’t done with government money, it is done with tax dollars. Invent a billion dollar buyback program and the government has to extract another billion dollars (plus interest) from taxpayers. Or of course they can simply allow it to add to the deficit and then the billion gets bigger every day. It still has to come from taxpayers.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  buggs
September 22, 2021 11:12 am

Exactly … and what amazes me is even when it’s explained to them,they don’t seem to grasp that relationship. They also don’t seem to understand that government really hasn’t any actual claim on your money. Taxes are an invention of government to gain revenue to follow its own interests.

Robert Hanson
Reply to  Rory Forbes
September 22, 2021 1:49 pm

Why doesn’t the government do the obvious thing, and set the minimum wage at $1,000 an hour. Then we can all pay a 50% income tax, and still be Millionaires.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Robert Hanson
September 22, 2021 2:23 pm

Sounds like a plan.

R Terrell
Reply to  buggs
September 22, 2021 1:08 pm

The government has NO MONEY, whatsoever. They only exist by taking EVERYONE ELSE’S money from them! Taxes are just a means of legal theft for the government! If everyone decided NOT to work, the government would soon collapse. We are seeing just the beginning of this process, now, with the government ‘paying’ people to sit at home and NOT WORK! When this all plays out, what happens? The collapse of nations! Directed and produced by the Left and the liberals, Progressives, socialist’s, and the Communists’s among us! All the CCP has to do is sit back and wait.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  R Terrell
September 22, 2021 8:36 pm

Don’t forget apostrophe abusers! They’re the worst!

Pamela Matlack-Klein
Reply to  Peter East
September 22, 2021 1:38 am

What is the beef with KFC? What does this have to do with Covid? I realize it is a poor food choice and I would have to be on the verge of starvation to consume any fast food willingly, but really, eating it is now a serious felony in NZ?

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Pamela Matlack-Klein
September 22, 2021 9:06 am

All take-out (take-away) food has been banned in the name of stopping the WuFlu. Thus KFC is now equivalent to fentanyl.

R Terrell
Reply to  Carlo, Monte
September 22, 2021 1:12 pm

The last I heard, NZ had ONE covid case! Is that enough reason to Lockdown an entire nation? The survival rate is well over 99%! Also, a ‘positive’ case does not equal an infection. The test is so unreliable that the false positives are rampant! I fear that the entire world is going completely bonkers!

Simon
Reply to  Carlo, Monte
September 22, 2021 3:30 pm

The crooks/gang members also had $100,000 in cash and broke lockdown rules designed to stop the spread of the virus and get the city/country back on it’s feet ASAP. They got what they deserved.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Simon
September 22, 2021 8:38 pm

Lockdowns don’t stop the spread. They only delay it.

Simon
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
September 23, 2021 12:48 pm

Lockdowns don’t stop the spread. They only delay it.”
I agree and it is exactly what they (the NZ government)are trying to do. All the time they keep a lid on covid, the health system can cope. Delay long enough to get as many vaccinated as possible. Then once everyone has had their chance (those who are smart enough to get protection/vaccinated), open the country up.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Simon
September 23, 2021 9:23 pm

In Washington State, we have a very high vaccination rate, yet they’re closing things down more and more. And making the vaccinated masks. They still haven’t figured out that masks do nothing, and probably make things worse.

Pamela Matlack-Klein
Reply to  Carlo, Monte
September 23, 2021 1:23 am

How does fast food spread covid? Have they shut down all the other restaurants as well? Who comes up with these insane ideas?

Simon
Reply to  Pamela Matlack-Klein
September 23, 2021 12:51 pm

Ummm…. it is not the food, it is the people grouped together cooking it and those picking it up that are at risk. Why after all this time are we we still having to explain such a simple concept.

Murph
Reply to  Pamela Matlack-Klein
September 22, 2021 3:53 pm

In NZ we had the recent covid cases in Auckland and Wellington so we were put into lockdown at level 4 and no takeaway foods were allowed to try and stop the spread of the more contagious Delta variant. Wellington eliminated covid successfully but Auckland did not manage to and was kept at level 4, whereas the Hamilton and other regions had no covid cases so was changed to a reduced level 3 where takeaway foods were permitted. The Hamilton rule breakers were likely under orders from their gang bosses to bring them a feed of KFC across the border into Auckland but were nabbed. Perhaps they shouldn’t have been driving a suspicious car, whatever a suspicious car looks like ?

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Pamela Matlack-Klein
September 22, 2021 8:40 pm

KFC is chicken, therefore, no beef. 🙂

Rah
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
September 23, 2021 2:05 am

They have beef. This truck driver once hauled 42,000 of frozen White Castle patties from the docks in Philly that came from New Zealand. What was funny was that the floor of my refer trailer was slick so they were sliding all over trying to load those sliders on that trailer.

The sliders went to a processing facility in Vandalia, OH.

Russell McMahon
Reply to  Pamela Matlack-Klein
September 23, 2021 4:08 am

Information only: They were attempting to cross a covid restriction line. They had $100,000 in cash with them. They were gang members – that’s not a crime of itself but usually a good hint re where the $100,000 came from.

ATheoK
Reply to  Peter East
September 22, 2021 5:03 am

Forced seizure of legally owned firearms is not a “Buy back” in any sense of reality.

Unforced “Buy Back” actions result in damaged, broken, antique firearms being exchanged for cash. Functional modern (20th century of younger) firearms only show up when someone hates firearms to the extent of delusion.

Australia is rapidly sliding down a slippery totalitarian takeover path.

Dennis
Reply to  Tom Halla
September 21, 2021 8:40 pm

Interesting that the NZ PM expressed support for zero emissions by 2050 or earlier but after commissioning a report on economic repercussions quarantined farming and related animal emissions.

Like China and coal fired power stations etc., and India and ……….. developing nations according to the UN.

Eric Vieira
Reply to  Tom Halla
September 22, 2021 7:55 am

It seems that some these “products” of the “Young Global Leaders” seminar of the World Economic Forum (Jacinda Arden, Sebastian Kurz, etc…) are strong believers of “Jack Boot methods”.

Layor Nala
September 21, 2021 6:34 pm

I think you should rethink your views and headlines. Firstly, your headline suggests NZ police overreacted. The arrests was normal for breaking legal Covid boundary rules. The NZ population has wholeheartedly accepted this approach.

Secondly, they were not arrested for carrying KFC. They were arrested for breaking boundaries. The cash they were carrying was believed associated with drug sales as small drug bags were also found in the vehicle.

Thirdly, the ‘victims’ were responsible for the police actions by using backroads and running away from the police.

With regard to the Melbourne ‘riots’, you should be aware that anti-vaxxers stirred the protest.

As an aside, with the large earthquake in Melbourne today, the construction workers could have been in trouble on building sites.

If you want people to accept your climate views (which generally I do) you must also be an accurate reporter.

Carry on your good climate reporting, but be accurate and do your homework!

renbutler
Reply to  Layor Nala
September 21, 2021 6:49 pm

Being anti-mandate is not the same as being anti-vax.

If you’re concerned about others’ accuracy, perhaps you should be concerned with your own.

Layor Nala
Reply to  renbutler
September 21, 2021 6:54 pm

I did not say anything about anti-mandate. read again!

Mike Lowe
Reply to  Layor Nala
September 21, 2021 8:48 pm

Maybe, but you said that the Melbourne problem was “stirred by anti-vaxxers”. That is not true, although some anti-vaxxers may have been present. It was obvious that those protests were caused by objections to mandated requirements for vaccination, with which the protesters did not agree. I agree with any employer’s right to insist on vaccination or employment to be terminated, but also that the individual has the right to make the choice.

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Mike Lowe
September 22, 2021 4:40 am

as long as the employer is willing to pay damages to ‘forced vaccinees’ when they are harmed. funny how in nsw the GPs are exempt! from mandatory vaccination yet they are close to hundreds of ill people per day/

Rhys Jaggar
Reply to  Mike Lowe
September 22, 2021 5:26 am

Well, I don’t, unless they can prove to a court of law that the unvaccinated are a danger to the vaccinated.

Otherwise this is entirely akin to sexist, racist, anti-religious employment practices, which in general lead to companies paying huge fines.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Mike Lowe
September 22, 2021 8:05 am

I agree with any employer’s right to insist on vaccination or employment to be terminated, but also that the individual has the right to make the choice.

Do you also agree with any employer’s right to terminate employment if a person is determined to have the “wrong” sexual preferences? They merely need to choose the “right” preferences and they’ll be fine?

I thought not. But perhaps you’d be ok with termination for those who make the choice to persist in holding the wrong political views or backward religious beliefs?

Based on your statement I am at a loss to identify a principle that makes political or religious views a protected right while choosing not to be vaccinated is beyond the pale.

(I am fully vaccinated and would like to see everyone choose that path—but to compel them is an outrage).

TEWS_Pilot
Reply to  Layor Nala
September 21, 2021 9:40 pm

With regard to the Melbourne ‘riots’, you should be aware that anti-vaxxers stirred the protest.

Actually, they are anti-MANDATORY-Vaccination protesters, thus they could reasonably be called anti-MANDATE protesters. I would venture a guess that many among them might be willing to be vaccinated if it were voluntary. They are protesting on principle and demanding to be treated like FREE PEOPLE and not like SERFS and LAB RATS.

renbutler
Reply to  Layor Nala
September 22, 2021 6:42 am

That’s exactly my point, friend. The referenced folks are anti-mandate, but you called them anti-vax. That was your mistake.

waza
Reply to  renbutler
September 21, 2021 8:09 pm

Ren
Very true.
I am a Melbournian Construction Engineer who is fully vaxed, but now cannot work.
I am vaccinated due to my age, but think it is totally reasonable for a fit young construction worker to choose not to be vaccinated.
I think it is unacceptable to exclude people from their workplace due to their medical circumstances.
It is even more unacceptable to force them to provide proof.

n.n
Reply to  renbutler
September 21, 2021 8:20 pm

Yes, people oppose the unscientific, poltically congruent boundaries/mandates that have proven to increase infections and disease in an endemic and pandemic without borders.

It is em-pathetic but false to characterize people with the pejorative “anti-vaxxer”, but are rather pro-immunity and risk assessment and scientific practice to mitigate infection, excess deaths, and hospitalization.

Terry
Reply to  Eric Worrall
September 21, 2021 7:52 pm

Bollocks….they were members of am illegal gang running drugs. Should have been stopped with whatever force necessary. The KFC is just a side show

Scissor
Reply to  Eric Worrall
September 21, 2021 8:58 pm

Based on what I’ve seen, they might have used your pliers to extract a confession.

AlexBerlin
Reply to  Eric Worrall
September 21, 2021 9:52 pm

The only “not significant” amount of illegal drugs is NO illegal drugs.

Alexy Scherbakoff
Reply to  AlexBerlin
September 21, 2021 10:48 pm

Ha ha.

John Tillman
Reply to  AlexBerlin
September 22, 2021 5:04 am

Most United States distinguish between amounts for personal use and for sale. Even Oregon, where small amounts of all drugs are legal.

MARTIN BRUMBY
Reply to  Eric Worrall
September 21, 2021 11:32 pm

Ah yes, Eric.

But you forgot to note that what’s written on the placards is the determining factor in the police response.

Here in UK the Extinction Rebellion and Isolate GangGreen toffs are allowed to walk onto the UK’s busiest motorway (just that is a criminal offence) and lie down to stop traffic, causing pile ups requiring an air-ambulance for an injured woman. Another stroke victim in an ambulance was delayed 6 hours inher trip to hospital and is likely to suffer life changing damage. Thousands of people were very seriously delayed.

The police response? Well, the senior police woman in charge told the protestors that please to let them know if they needed anything to make them comfortable, then the police would do everything they could to be kind and helpful.

Those eventually arrested and removed were discharged and did the same thing two days later.

Now, Eric, I may be out on a limb, here. But I rather think that if the protestors had been protesting about the mainly Pakistani grooming gangs who have been raping mainly white schoolgirls for the last 30 years (official figures – over 1,500 victims just in Rotherham) during which time the police’s response has been that the girls were exercising ‘lifestyle choices’ and that they should keep quiet in the ‘interest of diversity’.

If that had been the protest, (or perhaps protesting skyrocketing energy prices because of ruinable energy), then I venture the police response migh have been a little different.

I think the ability to protest is essential. I think if you break the law you have to be prepared to accept the legal consequences. But I know that those consequences must not hinge on woke, virtue signalling, but rather be imposed impartially in accordance with the letter of the law.

HotScot
Reply to  MARTIN BRUMBY
September 22, 2021 2:01 am

The stroke victim puzzles me. If she was in an ambulance, why didn’t the driver use the hard shoulder?

Russ Wood
Reply to  HotScot
September 22, 2021 8:00 am

I believe that it was on one of the “non-so-smart” motorway sections. I.e. – no shoulder!

MARTIN BRUMBY
Reply to  HotScot
September 22, 2021 9:51 am

Blocked by the same green clowns + the police.

MARTIN BRUMBY
Reply to  MARTIN BRUMBY
September 22, 2021 10:05 am

https://videos.dailymail.co.uk/video/mol/2021/09/21/2792583641142965315/640x360_MP4_2792583641142965315.mp4

Can’t promise this was the protest where the stroke victim was delayed but the section filmed here (there have been 5 or 6 ‘protests) certainly did have a hard shoulder.

If the link doesn’t work, just go to the Mail online site (Weds 22 Sept.)

You might try the Grauniad but I doubt they’d have similar videos. You would no doubt get an article of staunch support. Just like the British Bullshit Corporation.

Simon
Reply to  MARTIN BRUMBY
September 22, 2021 8:18 pm

I think the ability to protest is essential. I think if you break the law you have to be prepared to accept the legal consequences. “
You will be pleased the rioters on Jan 6 got locked up then.

HotScot
Reply to  Eric Worrall
September 22, 2021 1:56 am

As an ex Cop Eric, I can promise you that seeing a driver pull a U turn whenever he saw a Police car is sufficient grounds to ‘have a word’.

By the sounds of it, however morally repugnant it is, they appear to have crossed a state line which in itself is an offence these days in Australia.

The KFC bit is a bit of a sensationalist red herring. If the shop was open legally, why shouldn’t they have a boot full of the stuff?

But there’s the real question of the unquantified amount of drugs found. I have no idea what ther law is about personal use in Aus. is but if they were presented in such a way that it was obvious they were dealing then there are sound grounds for arrest there as well. And lets face it, most drug dealers are known to Cops, it’s just a question of catching them.

Arresting someone wearing a placard is ridiculous, although we need to understand the conviction rather than the perception. We know from XR demonstrations and such like that people are prepared to commit offences whilst hiding behind kids.

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Gary S.
Reply to  HotScot
September 22, 2021 3:51 am

It was in New Zealand.

Dave Freer
Reply to  HotScot
September 22, 2021 10:14 pm

I suspect that displaying your ‘haul’ of KFC on the bonnet of your police car on the news doesn’t really come under the heading.’good public relations’ or ‘clever policing’ though. .

Russell McMahon
Reply to  HotScot
September 23, 2021 4:12 am

They also had $100,000 with them 🙂
(Accoding to local reports. I’m in NZ)

n.n
Reply to  Terry
September 21, 2021 8:27 pm

That conclusion could be inferred, but is not in evidence. Perhaps in a story published by other than the BBC.

Felix
Reply to  Terry
September 21, 2021 8:50 pm

None of that was known until after the police got them.

HotScot
Reply to  Felix
September 22, 2021 2:05 am

That’s the whole point of Cops trusting their intuition. Drug runners are not inclined to drive cars with ‘I’m running drugs’ emblazoned thereon.

Derg
Reply to  Terry
September 22, 2021 3:26 am

Trump Russia colluuuusion 😉

Layor Nala
Reply to  Eric Worrall
September 21, 2021 8:43 pm

Headline today ‘Soul-crushing”: US COVID-19 deaths are topping 1,900 a day‘. Sounds a little bit more serious than the flu! The 1918 flu outbreak had a world mortality of about 2%. Covid is greater than 3% (so far).

Felix
Reply to  Layor Nala
September 21, 2021 8:52 pm

After close to two years, COVID deaths finally topped 1918 flu deaths in absolute numbers, and the population is three times higher now. Your 3% is nonsense.

Robert of Texas
Reply to  Felix
September 21, 2021 8:57 pm

It’s actually more “nonsense” than just a population difference. The number of dead attributed to the Spanish Flu was likely grossly under-estimated due to the circumstances and technology, while Covid-19 deaths are likely grossly over-estimated.

If you die and test positive for Covid-19, it is attributed to Covid-19 whether or not it actually contributed, let alone killed you.

Not saying that Covid-19 isn’t dangerous and terrible, but people need to keep their perspectives.

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Rah
Reply to  Felix
September 21, 2021 9:22 pm

Are those deaths FROM Covid or WITH Covid? I don’t see how any numbers are correct for the US because they made no distinction and because the tests they were using were proven to be showing a large proportion of false positives. Why do you think that Influenza mortality dropped to near Zero?

Pat Frank
Reply to  Rah
September 21, 2021 10:01 pm

You’ve got it Rah.

In March 2021, the CDC issued an advisory on filling out death certificates.

Any death in which a person tested for Covid should be listed as a Covid death. The CDC has since admitted that 95% of the deaths listed as due to Covid included an average of four comorbidities.

In past years, such cases would have been listed as virus-associated deaths. The cause of death would have been the most pertinent morbidity.

Using pre-2021 death certificate protocols, the death rate of Covid-alone is about 35,000, a moderate flu year.

The CDC has thereby falsely inflated the Covid death rate by a factor of ~20.

Kostoff, et al., 2021 evaluated the validity of the VAERS adverse effect rate using several approaches. They estimated a ~1% event report rate.

The VAERS report of mRNA deaths stands at about 15,000. Applying the correction of Kostoff, et al., one can generously estimate somewhere between 150,000 and 1.5 million deaths due to the mRNA inoculation.

It seems very likely that far more Americans will die from the mRNA inoculation than from Covid-19 alone. The ratio just now is the jab leading by 4.3-43×.

Duker
Reply to  Pat Frank
September 22, 2021 1:04 am

Those 4 co morbidities weren’t a problem while they were alive as many people with chronic conditions live reasonable lives. Add a respiratory disease and death occurs fairly quickly.
The other way happens too, many die at home or in circumstances where a covid test wasn’t taken , so aren’t listed as covid deaths.

The real clincher is excess deaths that have occurred, way exceeds the ‘official’ covid numbers.
Wonder why that is so….Trump he gets blamed for everything, right

Trying to Play Nice
Reply to  Duker
September 22, 2021 4:32 am

The mother of a friend of mine was in hospice and died. Her death was listed as COVID-19. In the US, the patient is put in hospice only if death is expected within 30 days.

TonyG
Reply to  Trying to Play Nice
September 22, 2021 9:03 am

I know a guy whose relative d!ed in a car crash and was listed as Covid.

Simon
Reply to  TonyG
September 22, 2021 3:40 pm

I call BS on that.

Pat Frank
Reply to  Duker
September 22, 2021 5:21 am

Comorbidities are a serious problem while one is alive with them, duker. That’s why they’re called morbidities.

Another element playing into the Covid death rate has been the aggressive suppression of early treatment.

Early treatment with HCQ/Zn/Vitamin D or Ivermectin bring about a 65-85% decrease in mortality, even among the vulnerable elderly.

Effective treatments render the EUA illegal under 21 U.S.C. § 360bbb-3.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Pat Frank
September 22, 2021 9:11 am

Followed by the deadly “treatments” in hospitals after SARS has set in.

rah
Reply to  Pat Frank
September 22, 2021 11:38 am

Yep! You’ve tested positive for COVID but your not sick enough to admit so go home. Two weeks later they are sick enough to admit and three days later on a ventilator and two days after that dead! It was scenario played out over and over and over again. The medical profession has lots of blood on their hands as do any politician that ruled as KING that you will not be treated with this or that alternative.

Timo, not that one
Reply to  Duker
September 22, 2021 6:49 am

Funny about the “excess deaths” from 2020. There were even more excess deaths in the US in 2017. Sounds like natural variability to me.
In Canada there were no excess deaths, and the average age of death from the Wuhan flu was 86. Seven years higher than life expectancy in Canada.

Joe Civis
Reply to  Duker
September 22, 2021 11:00 am

a town in Colorado had to fight the “official death reporting” as they had NO wuflu deaths but were listed as having 2, which were a motorcycle into a large truck fatality and a suicide with a pistol, but both were listed as wuflu deaths!!!!

Pamela Matlack-Klein
Reply to  Felix
September 22, 2021 1:50 am

That is assuming that all Covid deaths are really Covid deaths and not from other things like cancer, heart attack, auto accident, drug overdose, and so on.

Wade
Reply to  Pamela Matlack-Klein
September 22, 2021 5:12 am

Or skydiving accidents. I know 3 different people who had family who officially died of COVID, but in a reality was not. One died in a skydiving accident when his parachute failed to open. Another died of a heart attack. Both had the COVID antibodies so the hospital called it a COVID death. The last died of sepsis and never had COVID.

These are all anecdotal and you need to be careful with them. But what is certain that (1) In the United States, hospitals are a business; (2) Because of hysteria, hospitals put off very profitable surgeries and thus loss billions of dollars; (3) Business exist to make money; (4) Hospitals make more money off a COVID death; and (5) the US CDC lets hospitals call anyone a COVID death and won’t bother to check if the hospital is telling the truth.

How many businesses that need money will tell the truth when the government lets them lie for more money, and, in fact, seems to encourage the lie? Not many. The corruption is so bad that I mistrust any COVID death. What is even more disgusting is that hospitals are letting people die instead of giving them unprofitable drugs that work — just because that death is good for their profits and politically correct.

My eyes have been opened. The entire healthcare in the United States is about money, not about making people healthy.

John Tillman
Reply to  Felix
September 22, 2021 5:16 am

Only in the US, with its inflated numbers, not worldwide. Not even close.

Simon
Reply to  Felix
September 22, 2021 3:39 pm

Felix…. but…. in 1918 there were few measures against the flu. Now even with what has been done Covid is still killing in large numbers. Imagine if we had let it run rampant?

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Simon
September 22, 2021 8:57 pm

It has run rampant. Masks do nothing. Lockdowns only delay the inevitable.

Scissor
Reply to  Layor Nala
September 21, 2021 8:59 pm

Try < 0.1%.

Streetcred
Reply to  Layor Nala
September 21, 2021 9:18 pm

Peddle fear somewhere else, we’re not easily cowered here.

Simon
Reply to  Streetcred
September 22, 2021 5:49 pm

Peddle fear somewhere else, we’re not easily cowered here.”
You mean you have no filter for misinformation.

Christopher Hanley
Reply to  Layor Nala
September 21, 2021 9:44 pm

The CDC estimate that 500 million people worldwide were infected with influenza in 1918 of whom at least 50 million died of the disease or 10%.
In 1918 there was a higher death rate in young healthy people.
So far worldwide there have been 230,300,000 cases (rounding) of Coronavirus of whom 4,700,000 have died or around 2%, for the US the death rate is ~1.6% (Worldometer).
The estimates of death rates are dodgy because no-one knows the actual infection rate nor whether the frail-elderly deaths were because of / or with Coronavirus

Eric Vieira
Reply to  Christopher Hanley
September 22, 2021 8:27 am

I’d like to know how many “Covid deaths” were due to complications with co-infections. There are many super-bugs around in hospitals. Do Covid patients in hospitals get preventive antibiotic treatment? Or maybe only if they’re vaccinated?

TEWS_Pilot
Reply to  Layor Nala
September 21, 2021 10:08 pm

The vast majority of deaths during the 1918 Spanish Flu, as determined by a study conducted by none other than the notorious Anthony Fauci, were due to bacterial lung infections and pneumonia CAUSED by wearing masks.

Duker
Reply to  TEWS_Pilot
September 22, 2021 1:05 am

What masks in 2018. Not common at all

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Duker
September 22, 2021 1:55 am

What masks in 2018 [sic]. Not common at all

No one was talking about 2018.

Masks were extremely common in 1918. You’re just pulling crap out of your ass.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Rory Forbes
September 22, 2021 1:40 pm

Correct.

No one has ever seen anything reasonable from Duker.

AndyHce
Reply to  Duker
September 22, 2021 2:06 am

Actually, according to reprints of newspaper articles from the time, published on a number of blogs, mask mandates existed in many places throughout the U.S. and non-compliance was often treated by the police in ways that make the Australian and New Zealand police response seem rather mild.

Reply to  Duker
September 22, 2021 3:48 am

500 year old maskcomment image

Trying to Play Nice
Reply to  Krishna Gans
September 22, 2021 4:33 am

I wonder how many people know those masks were for the plague and not for the theater.

Reply to  Trying to Play Nice
September 22, 2021 4:55 am

The plague is well researched.
So why not ?

Reply to  Duker
September 22, 2021 4:20 am

https://www.history.com/.amp/news/1918-pandemic-public-health-campaigns

Read some words about mask use during Spanish Flu.

John Tillman
Reply to  Duker
September 22, 2021 6:44 am

They were not only common, but required on pain of going to jail.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  John Tillman
September 22, 2021 9:13 am

And they still didn’t work back then.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Layor Nala
September 21, 2021 10:09 pm

The 1918 flu outbreak had a world mortality of about 2%. Covid is greater than 3% (so far).

Not even close … and we don’t even know what the mortality rate of covid is, since it has been misreported from the start. With and from have two different meanings.

pigs_in_space
Reply to  Rory Forbes
September 22, 2021 1:51 am

The official death rate from worldometer is somewhere between 1.5-2.8% depending on the competency of your medical system.

Roughly 97.5% of people survive and most remain healthy after.
Russia as usual has one of the highest rates, thanks to poverty, poor health and lack of basic care.

Most of us have had Covid by now, so natural immunity has taken over.

Eric Vieira
Reply to  pigs_in_space
September 22, 2021 8:33 am

The problem is: natural immunity of the vaccinated will face ADE with Covid variants. Infections which could have been mild will now be exacerbated by non-neutralizing antibodies due to the vaccine. Young people should not be a problem but it now is becoming one.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  pigs_in_space
September 22, 2021 10:29 am

According to John Tillman (below):

The Spanish flu k!lled ~2.6% of world population. Even with inflated death toll, alleged COVID fatalities total 0.06%.

That is closer to reality. I have no idea what “worldmeter” is and what their political affiliations are.

John Tillman
Reply to  Rory Forbes
September 22, 2021 7:28 pm

It relies on Johns Hopkins and national “data”. I believe no political axes to grind, but limited by those of the reporting jurisdictions.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  John Tillman
September 22, 2021 11:33 pm

Thank you 🙂

Trying to Play Nice
Reply to  Layor Nala
September 22, 2021 4:24 am

More like .2% in the US. (698,000 of 331,000,000). And those are deaths with SARS-CoV-2 positive test, not COVID-19. Why are you such a moron?

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John Tillman
Reply to  Layor Nala
September 22, 2021 5:15 am

The Spanish flu k!lled ~2.6% of world population. Even with inflated death toll, alleged COVID fatalities total 0.06%.

rah
Reply to  John Tillman
September 22, 2021 11:44 am

And the 1918 H1N1 flu struck the young and healthy!
1918 Pandemic (H1N1 virus) | Pandemic Influenza (Flu) | CDC

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Layor Nala
September 22, 2021 9:10 am

How many of these actually died of lead poisoning?

Petit_Barde
Reply to  Layor Nala
September 22, 2021 11:22 am

One should stop reading or listen to any fear mongering media that sput out this 3% nonsense.
According to the WHO, the SARS-COV2 infection fatality rate is about 0.2% and 0.05% under 70 years old people (and this study does not include the delta variant which known to be less dangerous than previous variants) :

https://www.who.int/bulletin/online_first/BLT.20.265892.pdf

H.H.
Reply to  Layor Nala
September 22, 2021 3:19 pm

Seriously wrong on the stats. Covid worse that Hong Kong and Asian flu. Spanish flu close to an order of magnitude worse than Covid. More than 50 million died in a world with less than 2 billion souls.

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John Tillman
Reply to  H.H.
September 22, 2021 7:31 pm

Asian flu was curtailed by a vaccine. HK flu deaths were limited by immunity from Asian flu.

I got Asian flu, aged five. My temperature spiked to 106 F. But, obviously I survived. Others were spared my experience by the vaccine.

K. McNeill
Reply to  Eric Worrall
September 21, 2021 8:52 pm

It’s not even close to the 1918 flu pandemic. Depending on the reports you accept that pandemic killed 1 to 3 percent of the world population. This pandemic has killed .06 percent of the world population mostly those already in God’s waiting room. The Delta variant is even less deadly, if you can apply that sobriquet.

Robert of Texas
Reply to  K. McNeill
September 21, 2021 9:05 pm

Ignoring the “world” statistics which are so bad as to be hopeless, and just using the U.S. statistics which are just pretty bad, you get about 0.21%. Assuming we are over reporting one could justify a figure of around 0.15% and still be credible.

James Schrumpf
Reply to  Robert of Texas
September 21, 2021 10:35 pm

It’s even worse. The distribution of deaths per age group has a standard deviation of 82,747 deaths. In terms of percentages, the 0-34 age group has about a 0.01% death rate out of the 40.8 million cases so far in the US, while the 55-64 age group floats around 0.21%

That’s from total deaths of 643,848 and total cases of approximately 40.8 million.. These are CDC numbers from the first week of September 2021.

Total US deaths in the age group 0-34 is 6,913. After that, it’s practically a geometric increase for each age group:

35-44 yrs: 13,567
45-54 yrs: 35,656
55-64 yrs: 84,859
65-74 yrs: 144,020

After that the rate levels off. But still, the deaths in the age group 55-64 total 50% more than all the deaths in the age group 0-54. Deaths in the 65-74 age group are just a few hundred less than all the deaths in the 0-64 age group.

We may as well be talking about two different diseases. Who would be concerned about a disease with a death rate of 0.01% of those infected? Raise that rate to 0.35% or higher and the odds look a little different.

Eric Vieira
Reply to  K. McNeill
September 22, 2021 8:35 am

Delta is less deadly … for the unvaccinated. ADE could make it worse for vaccinated people.

Rah
Reply to  Eric Worrall
September 21, 2021 9:40 pm

You’ll not “contain” it. No viral contagion in history that has an animal reservoir and is directly transmittable has ever been “contained” or eliminated by human kind. If it were possible we would be rid of influenza and the common cold.

Duker
Reply to  Rah
September 22, 2021 1:09 am

Mutations is why cold and flu can’t contained. Covid 19 isn’t as quick to mutate

Derg
Reply to  Duker
September 22, 2021 3:36 am

How do you know that?

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Derg
September 22, 2021 9:14 am

Rachel Madcow told him so.

Steve4192
Reply to  Duker
September 22, 2021 5:06 am

LOL

The delta strain of Covid would like to have a word with you. Prior to delta, world governments and Big Pharma thought they had a sterilizing vaccine on their hands and could wipe out Covid completely. Then delta rolled into town and shot the sheriff, robbed the bank, raped the Parson’s wife, and took a dump in the town well. Suddenly, vaccines were no longer about sterilizing, they were about reducing symptoms (sounds like a therapeutic rather than a vaccine) and minimizing deaths rather than stopping the spread. How’s that for a mutation?

At this point, it is inevitable that Covid will become endemic (if it’s not already). After 200 million confirmed cases (and probably 10 times that number of unconfirmed cases) it is here to stay.

John Tillman
Reply to  Duker
September 22, 2021 5:24 am

Colds are caused by hundreds of different viral strains. Most adult colds are caused by four coronaviruses.

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Rah
September 22, 2021 4:49 am

except after 2 yrs ZERO animal reservoir has been found…oops

Rich Davis
Reply to  ozspeaksup
September 22, 2021 1:50 pm

Well I applaud your archaic belief that human life is not animal life, but we’re not plants, fungi or bacteria are we?

rah
Reply to  ozspeaksup
September 22, 2021 7:32 pm

Where have you been living? Under a rock?

TEWS_Pilot
Reply to  Eric Worrall
September 21, 2021 9:44 pm

For your research database…..

Open VAERS
https://openvaers.com/index.phpcomment image 

Pamela Matlack-Klein
Reply to  Eric Worrall
September 22, 2021 1:42 am

Excellent post, Eric, you hit the nail on the head!

Mr.
Reply to  Layor Nala
September 21, 2021 7:04 pm

Er, the earthquake epicentre was at Mansfield, some 250 kms north east of Melbourne.

Anyway, Melbourne construction sites workers are protected against earthquakes because they wear hi-viz vests, which also protect against asteroid strikes, tsunamis, lava flows, thermo nuclear detonations, etc etc.

Streetcred
Reply to  Mr.
September 21, 2021 9:18 pm

LOL 🙂

TEWS_Pilot
Reply to  Mr.
September 21, 2021 9:43 pm

If only Dr. Fauci could find a way to treat the vests so they also protect against COVID….pity.

Upfrontaussie
Reply to  Layor Nala
September 21, 2021 7:32 pm

I am sure that quite a few of those anti so called VAX ers were fully so called vaxx …..I……ohh forget it.

MarkH
Reply to  Layor Nala
September 21, 2021 7:41 pm

With regard to the Melbourne ‘riots’, you should be aware that anti-vaxxers stirred the protest.”

You must be getting your news from some MSM. This is not about Vax or anti-vax, it is about freedom, and the rank and file union membership being sold out by their leadership. The freedom to be allowed to go to work and earn a living to feed your family and the freedom to not be coerced to take any form of medical treatment to do so. As is in line with human rights treaties that Australia is a signatory to. Ironically, Australia signed up to them in order to apply pressure to despotic third world dictators, yet, here we are with political leaders of this country (of all major parties) completely ignoring the absolutely fundamental human rights of the people.

If you are scared of COVID, take the jab, hide in your basement, do whatever you want. But you have NO RIGHT to force others to do the same.

waza
Reply to  MarkH
September 21, 2021 7:54 pm

Mark
Excellent comment

MarkH
Reply to  Eric Worrall
September 21, 2021 9:35 pm

The violence at the protests (earlier anti lockdown protests as well as the CFMEU based ones) is largely the result of the police tactics. I was shocked only a couple of weeks ago when rubber bullets were used against protesters in Melbourne. Now, that is a daily occurrence. Having said that, the construction workers are likely beyond the point of being placated that easily. They have been (or are under the solid impression) betrayed by the leadership of the union, and in union culture betrayal is an unforgivable sin. The decision to shut down the industry for two weeks seems to be a monumental political blunder by Dan Andrews. He has just guaranteed that all of the tradies who were protesting don’t have jobs to go back and do (which is what they do) for the next two weeks. That combined with effectively telling them to pound sand (there would be no discussion about mandatory vax) sealed the fate of the protests. Were that a deliberate political strategy, it could only be used to bring out the protesters with the intent of crushing them with an iron fist…my cynical (realistic) mind wanders.

I am far more concerned about the rapid spiraling of society into a totalitarian authoritarian police state where I and my family will be under permanent effective house arrest and will only be allowed access to essential services (let alone recreational activities). A disturbing number of people seem to currently be sympathetic to this turn of events, which seems only testament to the effectiveness of fear based propaganda.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  MarkH
September 21, 2021 10:21 pm

That’s your second well presented argument … well done.

What people don’t understand is that is; ther is no duty of care to protect others. Each person must care for himself and his dependents. Even in distant times, with no hint of the human rights we have today, only the sick were quarantined. The well were free to go about their business. These lock downs have caused more harm than good, especially in Australia and New Zealand with a death toll of virtually nil.

HotScot
Reply to  Rory Forbes
September 22, 2021 2:17 am

It’s an individuals right to get sick. Millions of people do it every weekend when they go on the p!ss and wake up with a hangover.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  HotScot
September 22, 2021 10:38 am

🙂

Reply to  Rory Forbes
September 22, 2021 2:25 pm

Our ethical platform states that we vaccinate for the benefit of the individual, not society, and so far we have seen no data to suggest that the benefits outweigh the risks of the vaccine for children, said Karin Tegmark Wisell, assistant state epidemiologist at the Swedish National Board of Health, joint press conference Thursday.

Norway offers vaccines to all children 12-15 years

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Krishna Gans
September 22, 2021 5:06 pm

Thank you for the information. I’ll pass it on 🙂

ozspeaksup
Reply to  MarkH
September 22, 2021 4:52 am

one worker committed suicide after chairman dan shut the industry down that added anger to the workers march

n.n
Reply to  MarkH
September 21, 2021 8:30 pm

The vaccines are non-sterilizing in a significant set of the population. The vaccinated are not only vulnerable, but spreading the virus in darkness (e.g. symptom suppression). The vaccines were never intended for general distribution in populations with majority immunity and resistant populations.

Scissor
Reply to  n.n
September 21, 2021 9:07 pm

Some cohorts will suffer more damage from vaccination than they would have from CV.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.09.13.21262182v1.full

AndyHce
Reply to  n.n
September 22, 2021 2:18 am

I rather think the vaccines were intended for the distribution that Biden is now advocating: everyone (except the exempted exalted ones such as member of congress and their staff) on the planet — at a more than comfortable profit margin.

Dennis
Reply to  MarkH
September 21, 2021 8:56 pm
Dennis
Reply to  Eric Worrall
September 22, 2021 3:16 am

I did not realise that the report was written by me.

John Endicott
Reply to  Dennis
September 22, 2021 9:11 am

You brought it up, so surely you must have a point in doing so? bueller?

HotScot
Reply to  Dennis
September 22, 2021 2:18 am

Of course he did. According to the MSM……

What’s shocking is that you don’t recognise this obvious ploy to discredit and smear a genuine protest.

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Derg
Reply to  MarkH
September 22, 2021 3:38 am

C’mon Mark we all know by you getting vaccinated it protects us…just like the mask 😉

MarkH
Reply to  Derg
September 22, 2021 5:09 am

Your vaccine won’t work unless I’m vaccinated…. or something.

buggs
Reply to  MarkH
September 22, 2021 10:43 am

No, I think it’s your mask won’t work unless I’m vaccinated. Er….

Little perspective for all here from Canada:

We didn’t stop anyone from coming into this country until mid summer 2021 when the Delta variant was prevalent in India and surrounding regions. We didn’t do it because it would be “racist” to do so. ~25,000 Canadians have died to not close borders.

We were told, as everyone else has, that it was two weeks to flatten the curve.

Initially we were told that masks didn’t work (Theresa Tam, chief medical officer for Canada; Fauci proclaimed same). That was perhaps the only time we were told the truth. Month or so later mask became recommended and subsequently mandated.

When we got to flu season (fall) our numbers spiked and we went into lockdown – everything but essentials and stay home otherwise. It probably helped because if you see no one, you contract nothing. But what a crap way to live. We were told six weeks. It ended up at nearly six months. Lather, rinse, repeat.

We were told get vaccinated (voluntarily). Double vax was the way back to normal. Once we got to 70% vax everything opened up, mask mandate went away, people were happy. It lasted two weeks before mask mandate came back.

We’ll be back in lockdown by November.

BTW, have heard from many they may continue wearing masks because they believe they kept them from getting sick. It wasn’t the collection of no social interaction with others (work, shopping, bars, restaurants, concerts, sports, etc.), changes in personal behavior (not touching every surface, learning not to touch your face habitually), changes in hygiene (hourly or more use of sanitizer, washing of hands regularly – the latter of which was apparently new for 50% of Canadians coming from the loo). Nope, it was the mask, that leaks like a sieve.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  buggs
September 22, 2021 9:29 pm

We didn’t stop anyone from coming into this country until mid summer 2021 when the Delta variant was prevalent in India and surrounding regions. We didn’t do it because it would be “racist” to do so. ~25,000 Canadians have died to not close borders.”

Yet the border between Canada and the US has been closed for almost a year. At least it has been here in Washington State.

Trying to Play Nice
Reply to  MarkH
September 22, 2021 4:38 am

I think you’re missing the point that Australia and New Zealand have now turned the corner and are third world countries.

Eric Vieira
Reply to  Trying to Play Nice
September 22, 2021 8:45 am

Do you mean banana republics ?

markl
Reply to  Layor Nala
September 21, 2021 8:02 pm

So a KFC delivery became a police action? Who wouldn’t try to avoid police roadblocks? “Normal Covid boundary rules”? WTF is that? Did the populace of NZ vote on that? Typical spin from the MSM bought by the sheep. Watch out NZ, you’re on the road to tyranny.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  markl
September 21, 2021 10:26 pm

“On the road” … hell, it looks like they are already there now. They have a Marxist for a PM, what could possibly go wrong. This all sounds like a page out of the Milgram experiment at Yale. … “One of the most famous studies of obedience in psychology was carried out by Stanley Milgram, a psychologist at Yale University.”

https://www.simplypsychology.org/milgram.html

Craig from Oz
Reply to  Layor Nala
September 21, 2021 8:33 pm

With regard to the Melbourne ‘riots’, you should be aware that anti-vaxxers stirred the protest.

Sorry, but is that a non ironic statement?

You going to follow up by claiming that Trump rallies are filled with MAGA people? Or that Extinction Rebellion stunts are organised by those calling themselves “environmentalists”?

I am sorry but you need to read carefully before getting upset about things that do not exist.

The WUWT headline you are so concerned about reads “Covid 1984 – KFC Smugglers and Brutal Police Repression”.
Note the use of the word ‘and’. You are projecting your views in that ‘KFC’ is the grounds for over-reaction, which is not what the headline says. Your views are subjective. Unless the headline literally said “Police overreact over KFC food run” then the interpretation is subjective. Feel free to have your subjective opinion, but it is still a subjective opinion.

You also miss the entire point. The Long White Tyrant has forced dining and take away services to shut completely. The car in question was carrying amounts of KFC far in excess of the needs of two people, ergo they were bringing it in for someone else. That was the motivation for the trip and was only done because the New Zealand government is effectively locking people in their own homes.

Do not underestimate the desire of some people to get highly processed take away food. Back when I was helping to mine uranium the nearest burger franchise was about a 5 hour round roadtrip, yet people still did it, or asked people coming back from leave to pick up take away on the way. People – some people – will do irrational things to get junk food.

Read again what you wrote.

BCBill
Reply to  Layor Nala
September 21, 2021 8:41 pm

I always wondered what it would be like to look into the mind of an aparatchik- the grey men who rationalised small evils and irrationalities day to day.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  BCBill
September 21, 2021 10:30 pm

Such people are certainly coming out of the shadows today in the name of “saving humanity”. It’s just Marxism. There will always be busybodies who award themselves agency over you rights for your own good … even if it kills you. That’s exactly what it is doing in New Zealand and Australia … at a rate many times greater than Covid infections.

Robert of Texas
Reply to  Layor Nala
September 21, 2021 8:52 pm

Wow, you got ripped on for no reason I can see.

The KFC story-line was humorous. Turning the car around and running from the police means I have NO sympathy for them, but the New Zealand rules would be driving me nuts if I lived there. Their “prevention” is likely doing a lot of harm to people – not everyone but some people. I question if a democracy has the right to invoke rules like this without a vote of the people. Since when has a democracy had the right to make health decisions for me? Oh wait…the U.S. government has been controlling what drugs we can or cannot get for 50 years now…never mind.

As for Australia – same thing. Why can the government dictate such arbitrary rules that are harming people without a vote of the people. Covid-19 has been around for almost 2 years now – plenty of time to have asked the people for specific powers dealing with these situations.

Streetcred
Reply to  Robert of Texas
September 21, 2021 9:24 pm

The state government of Victoria has suspended parliament … there is no oversight to what these political and bureaucrat thugs are doing.

Pat Frank
Reply to  Streetcred
September 21, 2021 10:09 pm

How long do you think it’ll be before Dan Andrews announces that the severity of the Covid crisis requires the indefinite suspension of elections?

Governor-for-life Dan Andrews.

Alexy Scherbakoff
Reply to  Pat Frank
September 21, 2021 10:44 pm

Combining the words ‘suspension’ and ‘Dan Andrews’, somehow appeals to me.

Russ Wood
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
September 22, 2021 8:08 am

“The hemp fandango”?

Streetcred
Reply to  Layor Nala
September 21, 2021 9:14 pm

What a load of bollocks. Anti-vaxxers nonsense … it is about the right to work and earn a living. That there might be anti-vaxxers amongst them is not disputed, there might equally be vaxxed protestors as well. This is not about vaccinations, it is about human rights and the thuggery of the state government.
Melbourne did not all fall down with the earthquake, just a few bricks off an old low-rise building. Construction workers, mostly outside the CBD. were in no danger.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Streetcred
September 21, 2021 10:35 pm

There are many, many people who aren’t the least bit against vaccinations in general. They’re just unconvinced that this vaccine is for them. I believe the hazards of the jab far exceed the benefits. Israel is the most vaccinated country in the world, and new cases are increasing faster than they can get their third booster.

The shot is shit … and exacerbating the problem.

Pamela Matlack-Klein
Reply to  Rory Forbes
September 22, 2021 9:46 am

Bingo! I am generally in favor of vaccines against things like smallpox, polio, measles, pertussis, and the like. I nearly died of pertussis as a toddler and am happy that today there is a vaccine to prevent it. The same goes for measles which if also survived with no ill effects but it does cause hearing and vision problems in some. I absolutely approve of the polio jab, a terrible disease that affected many kiddos. But this Covid array of “vaccines” does not pass the sniff test for me. I don’t like that it is being forced on people and has had insufficient testing. There are treatments for covid that seem to work just fine so why risk a vaccine that can kill you and might not even provide any protection?

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Pamela Matlack-Klein
September 22, 2021 11:28 am

I have nothing to add, Pamela. Those are pretty much my own feelings. They shouldn’t have to coerce people to take the jab. We should be apprised of all the side effects and risks (exactly as they do with every other drug). Hell, they actually subtly altered the definition of “vaccine” to make the mRNA treatment into a vaccine. The whole thing is getting dirtier and dirtier. The Nuremberg Code specifically prohibits “forcing experimental drugs on people”.

TonyG
Reply to  Rory Forbes
September 22, 2021 12:15 pm

“The Nuremberg Code specifically prohibits “forcing experimental drugs on people”.”

But now it’s “well Pfizer is fully approved so it’s not experimental”
and “nobody is forcing you, you have the option to find another job”

More changing of definitions.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  TonyG
September 22, 2021 1:02 pm

It’s known as shifting the goalposts regardless of any other definitions we might be given. Just because some interested government agency approves a drug doesn’t make it any less experimental. The drug companies are merely being rewarded
with unpaid subjects for their experiment. We’re the subjects and aren’t even provided with the results of the experiment.

If they limit my freedom of access to anything, they’re using force. Their sophistry is unconvincing. Those who are convinced by it are fools.

TonyG
Reply to  Rory Forbes
September 22, 2021 1:07 pm

“Their sophistry is unconvincing. Those who are convinced by it are fools.”

Sadly there are a LOT of fools.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Layor Nala
September 21, 2021 10:05 pm

The thing is, no elected body should have the power to vote my freedom rights away because they’re pathetically misinformed about the seriousness of an unknown disease. The fact that New Zealanders are all for this sort of police state mentality enforced by a Fascist Marxist PM only indicates that the disease is in the public’s mind. They need psychological help.

Natalie Gordon
Reply to  Layor Nala
September 22, 2021 6:33 am

The only reason people accept it is the daily diet of misinformation and brain washing by the government and media. Even your own statement “anti-vaxxers stirred the protest” clearly shows you have been brainwashed. You have not even looked at what they are protesting or why. You have simply dehumanized the protesters with a label so you can ignore any cognitive dissonance you are feeling.

Reply to  Layor Nala
September 22, 2021 8:05 am

You seem to believe what Ardern did as far as restrictions was in the right, so violating them was a legitimate offense. To the contrary, cooperation with Ardern’s petty tyranny is itself an offense, and she should be removed for vastly exceeding her proper powers.

R Terrell
Reply to  Layor Nala
September 22, 2021 1:16 pm

Overlooking, of course, the FACT that the climate is NOT changing much, if at all! But that’s OK, just keep on peddling that BS,!

jdgalt1
September 21, 2021 6:39 pm

The silver lining is that KFC will give all the out-of-work dope dealers something to do.

Seriously, I hope NZ and Australia both manage to throw off the tyrants soon. If they don’t it may not even make a difference when China takes them over.

Serge Wright
September 21, 2021 6:44 pm

The severe lockdowns are being imposed by state governments and not by Morrison, however it is fair to say that Morrison has been far too weak and scared to get involved with state policy that has run off the rails.

jim duncan
Reply to  Serge Wright
September 21, 2021 6:51 pm

Morrisons weakness will cost him the next election.

Rah
Reply to  Serge Wright
September 21, 2021 7:12 pm

Morrison is in bed with Setka. Nuff said.

Mr.
Reply to  Rah
September 21, 2021 10:12 pm

That’s the most unlikely “date night” anyone who knows Aussie politics could ever imagine.

Alexy Scherbakoff
Reply to  Mr.
September 21, 2021 10:42 pm

And I don’t want to see the video.

Dennis
Reply to  Eric Worrall
September 21, 2021 9:42 pm

And only recently the Federal Government had legislation approved by Parliament to reinforce powers related to international agreements entered into or proposed by State Governments.

Accordingly the VicGov Agreement with China, Belt & Road agenda, has been cancelled.

But the Federal Government cannot override the States on most internal affairs matters such as State Parliament granting Emergency Powers to State Governments.

Dennis
Reply to  Serge Wright
September 21, 2021 9:39 pm

Read the link I have posted here, the State Governments have powers and responsibilities that the Federal Government cannot block.

Former British Colonies joined together to form the Federation of States, Commonwealth of Australia and the Federal Government. The former colonies retained most of the powers they had before Federation.

t.port
September 21, 2021 6:47 pm

It is shocking to read about what is going on “down under”. Who would ever have believed the Aussies and Kiwis would descend to such totalitarianism? I suppose we are looking just as crazy, but still it is hard to believe.

Rah
Reply to  t.port
September 21, 2021 7:15 pm

They’ve been headed down this path for a long time.

Dennis
Reply to  t.port
September 21, 2021 8:28 pm

With the notable exception of the Labor Government of Victoria the lockdowns and rules relating to COVID-19 in the other States have been fair and reasonable, the few incidents involving police force related to people ignoring the emergency regulations and rules and a tiny number becoming violent towards the police.

Check out how well Australians are doing compared to most other countries trying to limit the impact of the virus.

I live in regional NSW and we have had a couple of short lockdowns that were a nuisance but I did not find them too harsh and continued to exercise, shop for essentials, visit my GP, etc.

And remember that the left leaning, being the majority of media, are experts at fake news.

Streetcred
Reply to  Dennis
September 21, 2021 9:29 pm

I live in Queensland and my opinion is that the current restrictions in my state are 100% unreasonable. We have no COVID ‘in the wild’ yet we are forced to wear face nappies, restricted in terms of gatherings, and Queenslanders locked out of returning home.
The premier of our state, Palachook, issues edicts via her ‘chief health officer soon to be governor’ based 100% on polling! There is NO science to what they are doing. 🙁
However, if you are a movie star, social ‘elite’, or football player, the red carpet is laid out for you … as our ‘chief health officer soon to be governor’ said, “they bring in money.”

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James Schrumpf
Reply to  Dennis
September 22, 2021 3:37 am

The discrepancy in statistics between the US and other nations makes me wonder about the testing procedures. The least affected state in the US is Vermont, and it has a cases per-million population rate of 51,140. Australia’s is 3,495.

That’s quite a difference, and some US states had very restrictive lockdown and mask policies; perhaps not as restrictive as in Oz and NZ, but you’d think what they did do would have closed that gap. As it stands, tiny, rural Vermont has 15X the case rate as does Oz.

There’s something more in play there than just tactics.

ozspeaksup
Reply to  James Schrumpf
September 22, 2021 4:59 am

PCR in aus is run at 40+cycles , how they manage to “find” so many

Derg
September 21, 2021 6:47 pm

What is happening in Australia?

Is this what’s going to happen to “free” nations 🙁

MarkH
Reply to  Derg
September 21, 2021 10:59 pm

The deliberate and coordinated destruction of Western society. This is being perpetuated by politicians and bureaucrats of all major stripes and is opposed by a scant few (who are then labelled as “extremists”, “deniers”, “anti-vaxxers” or “terrorists”).

There is a mad rush to “vaccinate” at all costs, as soon as possible. In a way that makes no sense in proportion to the actual severity of the illness for the vast majority of the population. If you are under 70, and not suffering from significant comorbidities, it is no more deadly than influenza. Yet, here we are, with millions of people under effective house arrest, police using rubber bullets and tear gas against people who dare to say “NO, I will NOT be forced!”.

We are not heading for a police state, we are already there. We did not love freedom enough, to paraphrase Solzhenitsyn. We were too comfortable in our old lives, and denying (to ourselves) that they were now over, we did not realise that the freedoms we thought we had were already gone. Our freedoms have been usurped, cheered on by many of the very people whose freedoms are being destroyed.

This is the result of Menticide, the deliberate destruction of the minds and sanity of entire populations through the deliberate and very careful application of fear based propaganda.

Steve B
Reply to  Derg
September 22, 2021 1:33 am

Australia and New Zealand are the test bed for the Great Reset. Yes Google it.

However good news. Trump will be back.

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Derg
September 22, 2021 5:12 am

once I thought Aus was pretty free n fair
then I grew up
a huge amount of personal liberty and rights you americans are still fighting to keep were taken from us ages ago. basically forced child vaccines via withholding taxbreaks/benefits on the poorer people while the rich could ignore it. banned toddlers from kinder n preschool etc.. forced microchipping of pets and farm animals forced smartmeters etc etc
licence to fish licence to collect fallen wood for warmth govt tracks n taxes thousands of what you would call “god given rights”

Mr.
September 21, 2021 6:51 pm

Those Republicans should be clued up that blaming PM Scott Morrison for draconian policing against protestors is like blaming Trump for the conduct of Washington DC police on 6th January.

Dennis
Reply to  Mr.
September 21, 2021 8:23 pm

The Labor State Premiers want us to blame the Federal Government and PM but they, notably in Victoria, obtained State Parliament approval for Emergency Powers because that is a State area of responsibility and control.

I found this link that is a comprehensive coverage of the powers and responsibilities of the Federation of States, not the Federal Government of the Commonwealth of Australia.

https://www.parliament.vic.gov.au/publications/research-papers/download/36-research-papers/13962-emergency-powers-public-health-and-covid-19

That includes closure of interstate borders and the High Court of Australia rejected an appeal against a WA Court decision to support the WA Labor Government’s border closure. The basis being the pandemic and the judgements made before the first vaccination was released in December 2020, and therefore double vaccinations in sufficient numbers unlikely before end of 2021.

The Federal Government’s constitutional laws powers and responsibilities on internal national affairs are limited, State Governments have many more powers and responsibilities.

The National Leaders Cabinet, for example, does not have the same rules that apply to State and Federal Cabinets. It was created from the Council Of Australian Governments in an attempt to gain cooperation and coordination between governments but the Labor States have instead used that forum for party political purposes and grandstanding.

n.n
Reply to  Mr.
September 21, 2021 8:44 pm

American Republicans urged the United States to impose sanctions on Australia this week in response to several cases where Australian police officers violently attacked “unauthorized protests”.

the English editor of the Florida Conservative magazine El American – That the Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison “has to pay for such shameless human rights violations”

Yeah, there is some overlap and ambiguity in the reference.

Former Australian diplomat Bruce Haigh also condemned the Morrison government on Monday, comparing the Morrison country to “apartheid South Africa”.

An em-pathetic appeal under a judgment and label that mischaracterizes the history of violence before and after “apartheid” directed to white, browns, and blacks.

Dennis
Reply to  n.n
September 21, 2021 9:07 pm

Hard to take them seriously blaming the PM of the Commonwealth of Australia for the Federation of States police forces behaviour, notably Government of Victoria and VicPol.

Sara
September 21, 2021 6:59 pm

Does anyone besides me remember the original “Mad Max” and how it started?

Staying away form the cities now, simply because of those crazy-pants events that are not done yet, from what I can find. When did KFC delivery (or purchases) become a naughty thing to do? (Yes, I did read what went with it.) A restaurant out on the highway that I used to go do always had the best soup in the world. Now, it’s rather bad stuff, and almost inedible.

I keep thinking “this, too, shall pass”: I just want to know when.

Richard (the cynical one)
Reply to  Sara
September 21, 2021 8:16 pm

Of all the food there would be to smuggle, why KFC? The quality of that product has deteriorated so much in the last twenty years it’s a surprise the smugglers expected to make a profit

Scissor
Reply to  Richard (the cynical one)
September 21, 2021 9:05 pm

Of the eleven herbs and spices, some herbs are worth more than the others.

Dennis
Reply to  Sara
September 21, 2021 8:31 pm

Yesterday I met a tradesman friend who had driven over 300 kilometres to my home district from Sydney, he had no problem obtaining a permit to travel on line in NSW. My son is a carpenter and builder too and he has been moving to Sydney over the past week towing trailer loads of possessions, he will live there in rented premises for 6 months. He has been vaccinated (AZ).

The rules as not as hard to live with as fake media and hysterical anti-vaccination people suggest.

Dennis
Reply to  Dennis
September 21, 2021 8:33 pm

By the way, they both commented that the “unionists from the building and construction industry” in Melbourne at present demonstrating do not represent the majority position of the many tradesmen they know and work with in NSW, most of whom are vaccinated and act responsibly on and off the jobs.

Streetcred
Reply to  Dennis
September 21, 2021 9:37 pm

CS Lewis wrote: “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”

Benjamin Franklin said “ Any society that will give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.” 

But let me tell you, I have a significant project under construction outside Melbourne, and it is every bit as difficult as what it is made out to be!

Steve B
Reply to  Dennis
September 22, 2021 1:36 am

So what you are saying is that they are compliant little sheep? Of course they are. Cowards.

Dennis
Reply to  Steve B
September 22, 2021 3:25 am

Do you risk your money and employ people in a business?

How are they “sheep”, they both believe that protection via vaccination, fully understanding that the COVID-19 vaccine does not provide immunity from that virus but does greatly reduce the impact on a vaccinated person and if hospitalisation is needed also lowers the risk of long term medical problems such as heart and lungs damage.

Your reference to cowardice is pathetic.

Derg
Reply to  Dennis
September 22, 2021 3:49 am

Because the vaccine works like it does in Israel?

September 21, 2021 7:04 pm

Never ever let the Marxists near the levers of power. This is what happens. They may not think of themselves as Marxists totalitarians, but their actions show otherwise. All claimed because of a cold virus for 98% of the population, but COVID was the pretext the Left has been having wet-dreams of authoritarian control for decades. The Climate Scam was just like watching paint dry for them, i.e. excruciatingly too slow. COVID opportunity has upped the march towards Big Brother by decades.

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Rory Forbes
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
September 22, 2021 2:12 am

You got that right, Joel. Marx was a deplorable human being who never worked a day in his life, was always in debt and treated his family like dirt. Why would any part of his ideology be of any value? The man was clueless about both sociology and economics.

Derg
Reply to  Rory Forbes
September 22, 2021 3:49 am

That almost describes Bernie Sanders

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Derg
September 22, 2021 10:42 am

‘He is the very model of a modern Marxist general’

Robert Hanson
Reply to  Derg
September 22, 2021 2:40 pm

You mean the Bernie Sanders who spent his honeymoon in the Stalinist Soviet Union”?

drednicolson
Reply to  Rory Forbes
September 22, 2021 8:09 am

The independently wealthy Engels frequently picked up the rent for the Marx family’s flat, to keep them from being evicted.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  drednicolson
September 22, 2021 10:45 am

If all the people who apparently idolize Marx’ brilliance knew what a reprobate he truly was they might be a bit more critical of his theories and less keen to put them into practice.

Robert Hanson
Reply to  Rory Forbes
September 22, 2021 2:42 pm

He was what we today call a “progressive” (sic) who spent his entire life virtue signaling, so the rules for the little people don’t apply to him.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Robert Hanson
September 22, 2021 5:09 pm

You got that right. He was also another thing popular among the progressives … ‘entitled’ he was very entitled (rather like AOC)

John Barrett
September 21, 2021 7:08 pm

As an Australian and living in Perth, I am appalled at the extreme measures the politicians have implemented to smash our human rights. They started off trying to ‘flatten the curve’ then some Premiers thought that wasn’t good enough and decided we will crush the virus (good luck with that). Then after a snail’s pace vaccination rate, there is now an argument between the State Premiers and the Prime Minister on what vaccination numbers they want before we get our freedoms back. First 70%, then 80% and even an impossible 90+% by WA’s Fuhrer McGowan. These Premiers are feeling the power and like all politicians play the blame game, depending on which side of politics they are from (Labor vs the Lib-National coalition). Meanwhile, the very few of us not employed by the Public Service must suffer. Small business, their staff and the everyday punter are forced to suffer the most. Closed borders (except for mining gurus, sportsmen, and celebrities) are frustrating for a lot of us. If there are one or two covid cases, the State borders go up and people are not allowed back to their home. Thousands of Australians are stuck overseas and liable to stay there for years. This is caused by ridiculous low quotas for returning Australian citizens which is compounded by the lack of flights returning to Australia. Flights are less than 1/3 full because of these quotas.
Here is a story (posted on Lubos Motl’s blog- (link below) by one Australian, who went through hell in returning back home, even though she thought she had covered all bases. BTW, I have a wife and 8 year old living in Central Java who I haven’t seen in 18 months years because of these extreme travel restrictions. Now if I was a cricketer or Rugby player etc – no problem.
https://motls.blogspot.com/2021/09/australia-covids-tyranny.html

Dennis
Reply to  John Barrett
September 21, 2021 8:36 pm

The Premiers are of course playing party politics aimed at staying in government in Labor States and targeting the Federal Government and Prime Minister hoping to defeat them at the next election in 2022.

But as the link I have posted above clearly explains the Federal of States have the most power and responsibilities on internal affairs.

MarkH
Reply to  John Barrett
September 21, 2021 11:08 pm

It probably would have been better if the same political party was in power nation wide. As it stands currently, there is a bizarre and grotesque competition between State and Federal political leaders to see which one can be the most capricious, the cruelest and most arbitrary against their citizens.

This is because they are all dealing with an effectively mind controlled populous. A populous driven mad by years of fear based propaganda. A large proportion of the population is clamorous to be lead to safety and protected from the horrible and deadly threat. So much so that they are willing, and some even happy, to see their fellow citizens persecuted and brutalized in the streets.

If this continues, it will not end well. History has played this tune before.

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P.S. I am so sorry that you are being kept from your wife and child. I have a 3 year old and even the comparatively small inconveniences (like explaining to him why he can’t play with his friends from daycare because mummy and daddy are not considered essential workers by the government) is heartbreaking for me. I hope one day this madness will end.

aussiecol
September 21, 2021 7:33 pm

”As some Republicans discuss possible sanctions against Australia over police brutality towards Covid lockdown protestors”

Australia’s constitution makes the Prime Minister powerless with control of the States and Territories who have imposed these draconian measures. It is not Australia per say that sanctions should be against, but the individual State premiers. In particular that State of Victoria and ‘chairman’ Premier Dan Andrews.

observa
September 21, 2021 7:40 pm

That’s in Danistan and the rest of Oz view them like wussy Californians. Normally the CFMEU under John Setka is up yours everybody with union thuggery strikes and demos in order to soak the taxpayer with cushy wages and conditions largely for public infrastructure. But when they turned on him for supporting Dan’s construction lockdown and vaccinate or no job it was priceless watching him play the mortified/outraged public citizen and those daring to question Lurch’s paternalistic authority. It’s a lot like Dems suddenly flipping to Reds under the Bed with Russian influence and you live long enough you’ll cease to be amazed by any of their shenanigans.

observa
Reply to  observa
September 21, 2021 7:55 pm

You’ll get the picture with CFMEU union leadership here-
Top NSW CFMEU officials charged after allegedly accepting bribes from construction company (smh.com.au)
John Setka investigated over alleged home violence assault – State Crime Watch
So it was priceless watching Setka calling for calm and yo’all be good little Vegemites and do exactly what Dan tells you.

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Dennis
Reply to  observa
September 21, 2021 8:37 pm

I understand that the closest union to Australia’s CFMEU is the Teamsters in the USA?

Alexy Scherbakoff
September 21, 2021 7:41 pm

Dictator Dan didn’t want to come out onto the stairs at parliament house. Apparently, he has an aversion to stairs.

Dennis
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
September 21, 2021 8:37 pm

Determined not to be a fall guy again?

Alexy Scherbakoff
Reply to  Dennis
September 21, 2021 8:44 pm

Some months ago he fell/was pushed downstairs and suffered a back injury. I can understand his reluctance these days.

Alexy Scherbakoff
Reply to  Eric Worrall
September 21, 2021 9:32 pm

The whole thing seems to be a state secret and highly suspicious.

Mr.
Reply to  Eric Worrall
September 21, 2021 10:18 pm

A 12″ carving knife sticking out of it?

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Alexy Scherbakoff
Reply to  Mr.
September 21, 2021 10:39 pm

If only. I prefer to think that the hemp rope around his neck broke.

MarkH
Reply to  Eric Worrall
September 21, 2021 11:51 pm

What intrigues me is how that particular injury pattern would happen falling down a flight of stairs (at least while sober, although if he was drunk he would be less likely to have broken any bones). Typically, I would expect to see lower extremity injuries; broken wrist ankle, elbow as you attempt to brace yourself from the fall. possibly a hip. Spinal and rib injuries seem… unlikely from the described events.

I suspect that the theory that you have is not unfamiliar to me either. I’ve heard arguments each way for it and have not been able to get any reliable confirmation. The official story doesn’t hold much water though.

Streetcred
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
September 21, 2021 9:41 pm

LOL, I believe that there’s quite a story to that.

Streetcred
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
September 21, 2021 9:40 pm

:-))

Timbr
September 21, 2021 7:59 pm

Layer is dead right. And those demonstrations one way or another were taken over by thugs, just there for violence, so police in the end have to react, just like ER protests.
And no one here in Australia is being held down and a vaccination forced on them. The rules are changed so if you are in certain industries you have to make the choice of get the vaccine or leave the industry. Tough but no different to having to wear glasses if you have poor eyesight to get a licence to drive a car or operate machinery.
I just don’t know what to say to the suggestion that covid is a bad flu. Maybe for some lucky people but deadly or debilitating for many others. Surely they should have some consideration.

What really worries me that Watts Up With That is getting involved with this viewpoint. You are like a beacon of light in this AGW mess in the western world.
Please keep up the good work.

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Eric Worrall
September 22, 2021 5:37 am

maybe because Vic is breaking the duration record for locking people up?

Alexy Scherbakoff
Reply to  Timbr
September 21, 2021 9:24 pm

The latest decree in Tasmania is that ALL health workers must be vaxxed by 31st October. This includes pharmacies, optometrists, cleaners and office staff etc. Nobody that is unvaxxed may be employed by them.
There are companies that are forcing their employees to be vaxxed. Soon it will be council workers, State government workers.
Pray tell where can you get a job if you are unvaxxed?
I guess it’s ‘suck it up buttercup, go starve ‘.

Mr.
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
September 21, 2021 10:24 pm

Soon the unvaccinated will have to wear a yellow star on their lapels?

Alexy Scherbakoff
Reply to  Mr.
September 21, 2021 10:37 pm

Don’t be stupid. So passe. Its a sign around the neck -‘UNCLEAN’

Wade
Reply to  Mr.
September 22, 2021 5:45 am

Not a yellow star. A purple triangle. Of all the people in the Nazi concentration camps, people who wore the purple triangle could leave at any time, they just had to denounce their belief. (These were the Jehovah’s Witnesses, who would not pledge allegiance to Hitler nor the Nazi party. To get out, all they had to do is denounce their religion.) The purple triangle is more appropriate than the yellow star because the hatred is based on a choice the person made, not on how they were born.

I foresee the same thing here. Just denounce your belief and get the vax and then you can remove your purple triangle.

Timbr
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
September 21, 2021 10:41 pm

Thanks Alex, I wanted to make the point that you can choose to be vaccinated and keep your job. Am I wrong to compare this with someone who’s eyesight deteriorates and now need to wear glasses to retain their truck diving job? They could demand to keep their job if they didn’t want to wear glasses ( for whatever reason) as it’s an infringement of their freedom to force them but they would be a danger to other road users and themselves.
Maybe you don’t have a wife/son/daughter/friend working in healthcare being exposed to many people carrying COVID but please have a thought for them.
We live with regulations and laws every day and covid has come along uninvited and I don’t think governments have a choice but to reduce its impact by new requirements

Alexy Scherbakoff
Reply to  Timbr
September 21, 2021 11:51 pm

I don’t think you are comparing the same things. Wearing glasses or a hearing aid is not invasive. I don’t object to driving regulations, obviously.
As an aside. When I was living in China, there was a case where a truck driver was pulled over by the police and it was discovered that he had no hands. The police were sympathetic that he had to feed his family but took away his license nevertheless. Since then, part of your license requirement is a photo(that they take) is that you spread your fingers with your hands on your chest to make sure you have sufficient digits(or hands) to drive. I think I could dine out on my China anecdotes for weeks. The place is hilarious.
Back to your concerns. I don’t have relatives working in healthcare but I do have a nephling married to a virologist. They both seem to be against vaccination for covid and have concerns that their young children may be forced to vax.
To be brutally blunt(and using your own logic) people in healthcare who are afraid of covid should get jobs in other industries. 
There is a lot of BS out there for or against vaccination. I remember Mockton carrying on about how covid was 10 times more contagious and 10 times more deadly than flu. He never could explain the number ’10’ and where it came from. !8 months down the track and we have some figures. They don’t reflect his comments. He’s been rather quiet about it.
I am over 70 and never had a flu shot and survived. People who had flu shots were sick as dogs afterwards.
The covid shot is not a vaccine, it is a treatment.
All sides vax or antivax including governments agree on only one thing.
Having the shot does not stop you from getting covid or passing it on. The nonsense that it reduces viral load’ is just that-nonsense. It hasn’t been shown in any tests. 

Derg
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
September 22, 2021 3:56 am

+ 1 million and 1

Mike Dubrasich
Reply to  Timbr
September 21, 2021 11:55 pm

News Flash: vaxxed people get the bug anyway! The vaxx is maybe 40% effective. Furthermore, vaxxed people with WuFlu can and do transmit the bug to other vaxxed people.

Being vaxxed will not immunize you, nor will it prevent you from infecting others.

It’s a Big Lie that unvaxxed people are spreading the virus. That Big Lie is the source of all the fascism.

Vaxxing is NOT the same as wearing glasses!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That’s a horrible, stupid, foul argument that smacks of Third Reich tactics.

The vaxx is not old-style attenuated virus particles. It’s RNA nanobot factories that cause your body’s cells to churn out spike proteins for weeks, months, or years. The spike proteins themselves do damage to your heart and other organs, ongoing and accumulating damage. Vaxxed people are poisoning themselves slowly but continuously. Nobody knows what the health effects are going to be three years out. Nobody. Anyone claiming they do know is lying, including the manufacturers.

With that level of ineffectiveness and uncertainty, how can you possibly demand everybody must get jabbed? The whining guilt tripping about non-vaxxed endangering healthcare workers makes me want to puke. Haven’t you noticed that many nurses and doctors are refusing to get vaxxed? What do they know that you don’t?

John Tillman
Reply to  Mike Dubrasich
September 22, 2021 7:28 am

Messenger RNAs degrade in mammals within hours to at most days. In prokaryotes, much more rapidly. Unless the mRNA in the PFE and MRNA shots has been engineered to last longer, they can direct the assembly of proteins no longer than a few days.

Fran
Reply to  Mike Dubrasich
September 22, 2021 10:55 am

This preprint of a study in Ottawa estimates significant damage to the heart at 10/10,000 = 1/1000. Milder damage to the heart must be occurring at an unknown rate. Note that heart muscle is only replaced by scar tissue. Here in Canada all post-vaccine “heart attacks” in the over 65’s are just being recorded as “normal”. Ditto strokes in the elderly (ie, my neighbour). It will be years before the real damage of the vaccine is known.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.09.13.21262182v1.full

Natalie Gordon
Reply to  Timbr
September 22, 2021 6:55 am

There is a huge difference between putting glasses on your face to see better to avoid an accident and being injected with a vaccine that does not stop transmission of the virus and with unknown long term consequences for a disease that has a 99.8% survival rate. It MIGHT be justifiable if the vaccines actually prevented transmission but the vaccinated can still get and transmit the virus. It MIGHT be justifiable of the vaccines had no negative consequences because people do die or suffer serious long term health consequences from these vaccines. How often to people die from putting on their glasses? New data from Ontario suggests the risk of the vaccine causing the clinically significant myocarditis and pericarditis of unknown long term consequence is 1/1000 (https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.09.13.21262182v1.full). That is just one of many studies coming out on an almost daily basis that I am seeing in the literature.

As for Watts Up With That, the very same widespread misinformation and outright lying about the climate change emergency by government and media and the same censorship is now being used to promote the vaccine/lockdown agenda. Frankly I am stunned you don’t see that.

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TonyG
Reply to  Natalie Gordon
September 22, 2021 9:19 am

“Frankly I am stunned you don’t see that.”

It’s astounding how many people don’t WANT to see it.

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
September 22, 2021 5:42 am

and trained worker shortages will sort the mandate vax idiocy out
specially in Tassie.
also like full vaxxed plane traveller in qld airport with covid should be a wakeup as to the daft passports being ANY use whatsoever.

Streetcred
Reply to  Timbr
September 21, 2021 9:43 pm

Rubbish, I don’t recall seeing the police shooting at ER or BLM (illegal) protests at the height of the first wave of COVID in which 809 people died in Victoria directly consequence of the Victorian State government ineptitude.

Derg
Reply to  Timbr
September 22, 2021 3:53 am

“ Tough but no different to having to wear glasses if you have poor eyesight to get a licence to drive a car or operate machinery.”

Huh?

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Timbr
September 22, 2021 5:33 am

wearing glasses is a choice and a need
vaccines with dodgy health benefits n risks are NOT removable like a bad pair of specs