Question the Dogma

Guest song by Guy F

I’ve eaten too much, drunk too much,

What can I say about saving the planet?

Do I need to go vegan?

Beer and spirits, steaks and burgers,

What can I have before they ban it?

I’m not going to be beaten.

Mother Earth is the new religion,

Windmills spread across the land,

Let’s drown our sorrows, have a party,

While we can.

Droughts and floods, fires and storms,

Is that what you get when the world warms?

Are coastal cities sinking?

They say we’re all doomed, apocalypse looms,

Let’s frighten the children and build some tombs,

What on earth are they thinking?

No one wants to question the dogma,

Believing the science is understood,

They’re all soaked in righteousness and feel so good.

The stats are skewed, the plans are laid,

They’re not to inform but to persuade.

It’s politics, not science.

We’ve got to change, rearrange

Our way of living and spend, spend, spend.

It’s all upfront, not deferred.

Someone has to question the dogma,

Stimulate a real debate.

There is another point of view which needs to be heard.

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September 18, 2021 2:09 pm

No offence, but give it some welly

It wouldn’t sound out of place on the BBC

B Clarke
September 18, 2021 2:18 pm

Its not got a title just a banner, so I vote ” the griff song”

Good song.

Walter Horsting
Reply to  B Clarke
September 18, 2021 2:34 pm

Well sung!

B Clarke
Reply to  Walter Horsting
September 18, 2021 2:48 pm


September 18, 2021 2:30 pm

The above reminds me of an old classic:

They are rioting in Africa.

What nature doesn’t do to us will be done by our fellow man.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  commieBob
September 18, 2021 6:35 pm

The scary part is, little has changed since The Kingston Trio sang it 60 years ago …

The Merry Minuet

They’re rioting in Africa
They’re starving in Spain
There’s hurricanes in Florida
And Texas needs rain
The whole world is festering with unhappy souls
The french hate the Germans, the Germans hate the Poles
Italians hate Yugoslavs, South Africans hate the Dutch
And I don’t like anybody very much!!

But we can be tranquil and thankful and proud
For man’s been endowed with a mushroom-shaped cloud
And we know for certain that some lovely day
Someone will set the spark off
And we will all be blown away!!

They’re rioting in Africa
There’s strife in Iran
What nature doesn’t so to us
Will be done by our fellow man

Nick schroeder
September 18, 2021 2:34 pm

Won’t be heard here.

Tom Gelsthorpe
September 18, 2021 2:50 pm

“You can’t teach an old dogma new tricks.”

Dorothy Parker

Michael Hammer
September 18, 2021 2:54 pm

On questioning the dogma, have a look at NASA’s earth energy budget. It claims 40.1 watts/sqM of surface radiation escapes to space. Yet numerically integrating Planks law (easy to do in Excel) shows that the surface emission between 8-9.5 micron plus 10-13.5 microns is 121.7 watts/sqM at 288K. Since the atmospheric window by definition is “the portion of the electromagnetic spectrum that can be transmitted through the atmosphere with relatively little atmospheric interference” something other than green house gases is reducing actual transmission to space to 40.1/121.7 = 0.33 of surface emission (presumably clouds). Given this, it is reasonable to assume exactly the same thing would happen to emission between 14 and 17 microns in the absence of CO2. Again integrating Planks law between 14 and 17 microns shows 53 watts/sqM of surface emission at 288K. But the NASA data predicts only 33% of that or 17.5 watts/sqM would actually escape to space. According to Nimbus, CO2 emits freely to space over the 14-17 micron range at an emission temperature of around 220K (at the tropopause). This translates to 19 watts/sqM. So according to NASA 17.5 watts/sqM to space without CO2 yet according to Nimbus 19 watts/sqM with CO2. So what impact does CO2 really have? Then again, maybe the NASA energy budget needs questioning.

Reply to  Michael Hammer
September 18, 2021 5:56 pm

GREAT little experiment to perform –

Aim one’s infrared thermometer (with a sensor working at 14 to 15 um) straight up on a cloudless, dry day – tell me it doesn’t ‘bottom out’ under -55 deg F … try the same experiment on a humid day – note the value … on the order of 0 to -10 deg F… and perhaps a little higher …

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Reply to  _Jim
September 18, 2021 8:59 pm

That’s the principle by which a “whiter than white” paint is said to work. The paint is white in visible light, but (IIRC) dark in infrared; so it reflects visible, but radiates IR. The clear sky is blue, meaning it scatters blue (and to some extent other colors), but is said to be black in IR–which means it transmits IR. The reason IR-black objects radiate to IR-black sky is that the objects are at the ambient temperature, so they radiate somewhat like a black body at 270 to 300 K (depending on the temp); whereas the universe–in between stars–radiates hardly at all at IR temps. So this “whiter than white” paint is able to dump ambient heat to the sky, even in the day time (and of course more so at night).

BTW, this paint is not, from what I understand, yet available commercially, and may be expensive if it does become available. And as _Jim mentioned, it’s only really effective on cloudless dry days. So I suppose it would help in Phoenix, but not so much in Seattle.

Michael Hammer
Reply to  mcswelll
September 18, 2021 9:47 pm

Mcswell; there are plenty of surfaces which have low emissivity (high reflectivity) in the visible yet high emissivity in the IR. A simple sheet of glass is transmissive in the visible (low emissivity) yet high emissivity in the IR. So I would expect that a sheet of glass painted with ordinary white paint on the inside would meet your requirement. Indeed many projectors used to use a glass heat absorbing filter which passed visible but blocked (ie: absorbed) infrared and high absorptivity = high emissivity.

Michael Hammer
Reply to  _Jim
September 18, 2021 9:06 pm

Hi Jim; unfortunately I don’t have an infrared thermometer so I cant do the experiment. 14-15 micron covers the R branch of the CO2 absorption/emission profile with a sea level absorptivity of about 0.12 abs/meter. It is not a strongly absorbing region for water vapour. Given that I would expect the reading would simply reflect the temperature at the measurement location. At 0.12 abs/meter it means 90% the downwelling 14-15 micron radiation was generated within 8 meters above the sensor.

If you have done the experiment and can report something different I would be interested to hear about it. One question however, how do you limit your IR thermometer to only accept radiation between 14-15 microns and not over the entire IR spectrum.

John Bell
September 18, 2021 3:04 pm

Great poem! I ought to write it in the opposite, in order to further parody the warmunists.

M Courtney
September 18, 2021 3:20 pm

Mother Earth is the new religion,

Not mine.
And actually, it’s an old mistake. Way back before the Dark Ages even.
The Ancient Greek philosophers had got beyond the Greens millennia ago.

Juan Slayton
Reply to  M Courtney
September 18, 2021 4:00 pm

Not mine, either. I’ll stick with James:

Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

September 18, 2021 5:00 pm

We had a slow cooked, smoky vegan for dinner, and a Mediterranean salad with garden tomatoes and vinaigrette. It was green and delicious.

Ron Long
Reply to  n.n
September 18, 2021 6:01 pm

Did you have a nice chianti with that vegan you ate for dinner?

Reply to  Ron Long
September 18, 2021 9:06 pm

and some fava beans?

Rory Forbes
Reply to  n.n
September 18, 2021 6:39 pm

I find them a bit lacking in depth of flavour and winding up over compensating with too much wine.

Reply to  Rory Forbes
September 18, 2021 11:42 pm

There’s no such thing as too much wine.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Chaswarnertoo
September 19, 2021 12:03 am

I’m inclined to agree … and it provides some consolation for a badly cooked meal.

Reply to  Chaswarnertoo
September 19, 2021 9:54 am

Nonsense! Why drink wine when beer is available?

Reply to  n.n
September 18, 2021 11:41 pm

Better to eat vegans than carnivores. Carnivores tend to be tough and games.

Reply to  Chaswarnertoo
September 18, 2021 11:41 pm

Gamey. Bloody autocorrect.

September 18, 2021 5:49 pm

“Keep the company of those who seek the truth- run from those who have found it”
― Vaclav Havel

Pat from kerbob
Reply to  Waza
September 18, 2021 8:00 pm

Would upvote that quote 1000 times if I could

September 18, 2021 5:50 pm

re: “Question the Dogma”

Like – from QM (Quantum Mechanics) proponents in light of new discoveries as GUT-CP has yielded?

<b>YOU DON”T SAY …</b>

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Reply to  _Jim
September 18, 2021 9:10 pm

Has the GUT-CP work resulted in any verified predictions? Have any of Randell Mill’s promised products seen the light of day? I’ll wait…

September 18, 2021 5:59 pm

Ain’t I Right by Marty Robbins
You came down to this southern town last summer
To show the folks a brand new way of life
But all you’ve shown the folks around here is trouble
And you’ve only added misery to their strife
Your concern is not to help the people
And I’ll say again, though it’s been often said
Your concern is just to bring discomfort, my friend
And your policy is just a little red
Now, ain’t I right (ain’t he right)
(ain’t he right)
It matters not to you how people suffer
And should they, you’d consider that a gain
You bring a lot of trouble to the town and then you leave
That’s part of your Communistic game
I detect a little Communisim
I can see it in the things ya do
Communisim, socialism call it what you like
There’s very little difference in the two
Now, ain’t I right (ain’t he right)
(ain’t he right)
Your followers sometimes have been a bearded, hatless bunch
There’s even been a minister or two
A priest, a nun, a rabbi and an educated man
Have listened and been taken in by you
Aw, the country’s full of two-faced politicians
Who encourage you with words that go like this
Burn your draft card if you like, it’s good to disagree
That’s a get acquainted Communistic kiss
Now, ain’t I right (ain’t he right)
(ain’t he right)
One politician said it would be nice to send some blood
And help the enemy in Vietnam
That’s what he says, here’s what I say
Let’s just keep the blood
Instead let’s send that politician man
Let’s rid the country of the politicians,
Who call us tramps, that march out in our streets
Protesting those who want to fight for freedom, my friend
This kind of leader makes our country weak
Now, ain’t I right (ain’t he right)
(ain’t he right)
Let’s look and find the strong and able leaders
It’s time we found just how our neighbours stand
If we’re to win this war with Communism
Let’s fight it here as well as Vietman
Let’s rise as one and meet our obligations
So Communistic boots will never trod
Across the fields of freedom that were given to us
With the blessing of our great almighty God
Across the fields of freedom that were given to us
With the blessing of our great almighty God

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Waza
September 18, 2021 8:36 pm

Marty Robins was a great talent. Would you believe that Columbia records wouldn’t publish that gem? They decided it was too controversial for Americans.

September 18, 2021 6:18 pm

A quick reflection from an Australian man in the street.
A key difference between Australia and the USA right now from a political battleground point of view is- in Australia we deal with one controversial issue at a time, and that’s COVID. Other Marxist issues such as Climate change, migration, gender equity, racism are still in the background but not on stage at that moment.

Michael Hammer
Reply to  Waza
September 18, 2021 9:08 pm

As a fellow Australian, are you sure we deal with even one issue at I time. Seems to me the analogy should be with sheep, simply believing what our socialist media ram down our throats.

H. D. Hoese
September 18, 2021 7:11 pm

“There is another point of view which needs to be heard.”
To see if they can stand the truthful word.

Nick Schroeder
September 19, 2021 3:53 am

Perspective major: A pseudo-radiative greenhouse effect exacerbated by industrialized mankind’s production of carbon dioxide and other gases guarantees the eminent and apocalyptic demise of humanity.

Perspective WUWT: No, it does not.

Perspective me: There is no such greenhouse effect because, among other reasons: 1) the Earth is cooler with the atmosphere not warmer, 2) to perform as advertised the so called GHGs demand “extra” energy upwelling from the surface radiating as a near perfect black body (TFK_bams09) which has been demonstrated by experiment to be not possible.

Zero RGHE, Zero GHG warming, Zero CAGW.

K-T Budget solar & calcd.jpg
michael hart
September 19, 2021 8:25 am

“Our way of living and spend, spend, spend.”

Typical high school understanding of economics.

Money evolved as a medium of exchange between humans (despite how governments manage fiat currencies). In other words, I will exchange the product of my labour for the product of your labour. If we both voluntarily choose to do it, this helps you and it helps me.

What you then choose to do with the product of your own labour, is your own choice.

September 20, 2021 6:19 am

It’s “funny”, that the “greenies” in California want everyone to go vegan, but want to take water away from farmers instead of building more water storage. Just sayin’

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