h/t Breitbart; How many Londoners are being assaulted, raped, robbed and injured every day, because police have to keep diverting manpower to neutralising Extinction Rebellion protests?
This is the moment we disrupted an attempt by Extinction Rebellion to block a road.
We predicted where activists might strike, taking immediate action.
Throughout the past seven days, we’ve responded to several disruptive protests in London.#THREADpic.twitter.com/ydzkzXv6t8
London has significant crime levels, around 50 violent crimes per 100,000 population per annum. Imagine if all the police who are currently busy racing to stop Extinction Rebellion messing up everyone’s lives with roadblocks could spend more time protecting Londoners from violent criminals.
I am not suggesting Extinction Rebellion wants people to be hurt. But protecting Londoners against Extinction Rebellion’s rolling roadblock campaign, and protecting Extinction Rebellion members from angry commuters, Extinction Rebellion must be tying up a lot of police manpower.
I support people having a right to protest. But Extinction Rebellion seem to go out of their way to create misery for ordinary people.
There has to be a balance, between people’s right to protest, and ordinary people’s right to get home from work in time to spend a few hours with their kids.
XR need to set a good example and lead agrarian peasant life styles and walk the walk, not just talk the talk! The bloody HYPOCRITES!
Sentence the leadership to spending a few years herding sheep on one of the out islands in the Falklands, or the Hebrides. As they advocate a simple life, actually living one might be educational.
That’s where it began. The failed organic farmer Hallam blaming everything else but his own farming incompetence.
I bought new machinery the very best to see
But always buying new parts and half me crop is weeds
The weasal took me chickens, while arsenick killed me cow
The wife went home to mother, the black earth got me sow
I’m a poor, poor farmer what am I gonna do?
A poor, poor farmer full of rabbit stew
A poor poor farmer always on the go
Prayin’ to get my farm work caught up before the snow
Our Canadian cousins introduced us to Tom Connors’ musical genius. You can listen to a dozen or so of his songs and gain more knowledge of the social history of the country than by reading any book. I wish he were around now to give us his thoughts on XR, it would doubtless be entertaining!
walk the walk, not just talk the talk
That seems to be quite normal for most of these activists. I don’t see many actually DOING what they want everyone else to do. Ed Begley is the only one that comes to mind who actually tries.
That’s reason enough to bring lawsuits in the U.S. The same is being used in court for Saudi liability for 911 victims fund.
They need a thorough beat down, followed by chaining them to bollards on sides of streets so citizens can drive by and throw rotting food on them.
We grew up in rural Oregon, and my father was very efficient at permanent solutions for problem skunks.
They claim to want humans to be extinct. Fine, start with them.
ER all ready chain and glue themselves to fences etc. My question is, why do the police bother the release them. They should be left alone to suffer as long as they are not blocking anything.
That has been my position on any protestors who “attatch” themselves to things in the protesting, long as they are not blocking traffic leave them so citizens can heap abuse upon them.
I rather like the idea of farmers spraying liquid fertilizer supplied by their cows and bulls.
They could not complain, it is 100% organic! I like it.
My first instinct would have been to see if the keys are still in the truck … and slowly drive it away … and see how many of the idiots would chase me down the road … or just pick up the packs/duffel bags that the idiots dropped.
“and protecting Extinction Rebellion members from angry commuters”
Now why on Earth would anybody want to do this????
Many problems, like this one, are self-limiting, if you only allow it.
Sometimes in life, the solution to a vexing problem is simple. Do Nothing.
Harry Truman said: “This world would be a lot better off if there were a few more bloody noses.
They should consider themselves lucky they aren’t treated more harshly. Protesting is everyone’s right. Interfering with other peoples rights isn’t.
The way I like to put it is, you have a right to protest, but if through your protest you damage innocent people, you owe them compensation for the damage you caused.
Your right to swing your fist, ends where my nose begins.
Yerr, perhaps. It is situational. Your right to protest ends when it impedes my right of movement. Philosophy versus a right hook seldom results in a philosophic win. A bloody nose generally does. If you wish to stand on your principles, be prepared to sit on your own stool.
What if I didn’t see the nose there? I was trying to hit a fly…
Abusing the ‘right to protest’, diminishes the value and the meaning of that right.
Usually anarchists will be very much happy to be involved with such abuses.
As it happens these ppl are completely void of civic responsibility… and enjoy very much the chaos and loss that ensues from such dirty abuses of ‘rights’.
cheers
Attention seekers. Self centered utterly selfish people.
I’m protesting something every time I walk down the street.
It’s not the cause that matters, it’s the actions one employs in support of that cause.
Most of the time they’re busy policing speech and thought on social media and non-crime hate incidents
They don’t bother with burglary or shoplifting under£200.
Most of the police stations have closed anyway. On our closed police station someone painted
“Forgive Us”
That’s a tall order
There are enough parks in London that these dritziks should have no problem taking over one of them for a peaceful demonstration. Instead they insist on interfering with traffic and commuter trains, which is neither peaceful nor legal! They should be arrested and carted off to jail when they deliberately cause major disruptions.
That’s what they want. Clog up jails for minor offences, employ police time and expense.
The answer is, confiscate all equipment, if they have ID that can be verified ticket them on the spot. If they don’t have ID then lock them up until ID can be ascertained.
Most of these people are just useful idiots, but the event is an opportunity for the police to identify more subversive elements.
My friend, (if you may allow me to address you as a friend)
You talking about ppl,
that if you give them an inch they gladly will take the yard.
And if the yard given, they will take the entire country.
I think, the yard already given away to this loony lot.
It is what it is, in the end of the day…
Free choice, free will.
What given way, as per the above, remains given away and lost… in and as per the plethora of stupidity of appeasement…
Really sorry if my point offered here, not so pleasant.
cheers
The Sheriff Joe solution is always an option.
G’Day Mark W
“The Sheriff Joe solution…”
At least his inmates got balanced nutritious meals. (Note that coffee has no nutritious value.)
I was going to suggest bread and water.
Well in Australia, they’re just arresting people just trying to go outside and be free from the totalitarianism. A totalitarianism that has quietly, but viciously, engulfed the population whilst they slept or distracted by the nonseniscal “fighting climate change” superstitions.
It seems that around here, the police mostly chase people guilty of not wearing a face diaper.
That’s the same in every city in Australia. I never wear a mask outside, even though it is mandated.
In Victoria they are arresting people under the ‘Incitement’ laws for daring to suggest face masks do nothing in context or that the Jabs do not work as advertised.
From a Left Wing point of view it is the next best thing to sending them to the gulags (which they still haven’t managed to built… but they are working on it). You charge with Incitement, then release on bail with the condition that you cannot talk about your pending incitement before your day in court.
They can silence people for Months using this method.
Craig, would you happen to have any reference for that? (the arrests) – I could use that information in another discussion.
If they wish to “protest” unencumbered by a police presence or risk of prosecution, perhaps they should follow the US model and combine their theatrics with the ritual looting and burning of a nearby department store.
Perhaps they need one or two martyrs to help their cause? Volunteers?
Many Londoners are NOT being assaulted, raped, robbed and injured every day because the criminals are busy ‘protesting’ the weather.
/Just snark, have no idea if it’s true.
If I, living in UK, decided to build a barrier to block my road because I objected to (you choose), the fuzz would be on me like a ton of bricks. XR should not be different.
Where I live, if I built a barrier to block my road, I don’t think anyone would even know.
There will be extra patrols for the protests, other policing will be largely uncompromised. The cost, though, is another matter. A very good reason for a bond to be posted before protests take place.
What we should acknowledge here though, is that in this video clip police action was quick, efficient and decisive without being violent with an appropriate number of cops without riot gear.
Pat on the back for the MET for once, and I don’t offer that lightly.
I have to disagree about the other policing being uncompromised and extra patrols being made for XR. My daughter is a serving Police Officer with Police Scotland and they are stretched to thier limit at present. Anything out of the ordinary requires Officers to give up their off duty time and work extra hours, and while the extra cash might be welcome to some the disruption to their family and social lives is unwelcome to most unless it is essential to the wellbeing of the general populace.
XR action is not essential to the wellbeing of the general populace.
But what a good idea about anyone organising a protest having to post a bond, and not just a cheque the day before, a cleared cheque or hard cash a week beforehand.
Even if it for the wellbeing of the general populace, nobody can keep working over time for long stretches without it affecting their efficiency.
I would argue that ER is entirely culpable. Common law principles suggest that negligence and/or lack of intent is no defense if your actions contribute to another’s injury. If I start a bonfire in my own yard and it starts a fire on adjacent land I am 100% liable, despite the fact that I had no intent to start any other fire. The fact that ER is also engaged in acts that are illegal makes them all the more culpable, if not criminally negligent.
Looking at this for the viewpoint of lawyer (I’m going to need another shower later), in the case of the fire, causality is easy to prove. In the case of a policeman who didn’t catch a criminal because he was doing something else, the link between the protest and any individual crime, is much harder, perhaps impossible to prove.
What jerks these blithering idiots be!!!!
The right to protest doesn’t include the right to impinge on others’ freedoms or destroy property. In the USA most cities require approvals before protests are allowed. Unfortunately the Left in the USA control most prosecutions and courts with perpetrators being let off free …. unless you don’t support their narrative and then they throw the book at you.
Markl
Good point. You don’t need to change a law if you control its application. By simply not prosecuting some offenders and throwing the book at others, the court can alter the social contract without reference to the legislative branch.
The administration of justice is quasi-military (do what you are told by your superiors) and is ill-suited to consultation and opinion. When the (in)action violates the spirit of the law, justice is denied.
XR continuing to be coddled is literally iniquitous.
The under-age ‘groomers’ that are deliberately ignored, (because the police don’t want to be called ‘waycists’) are a prime example of “one law for you, another for the ‘in-crowd'”. It isn’t Justice if there are two layers!
They should be protesting their co-founder. She drives a diesel car. Diesel is the juice of Satan.
https://www.thenationalnews.com/world/uk-news/2021/08/25/extinction-rebellion-co-founder-admits-driving-diesel-car/
Oh wait, silly overgrown hippies with no ability for rational thought can only react on emotions and she’s is a woman and therefore …. whatever
As I pointed out elsewhere diesel is more ecofriendly than gasoline.
I totally agree. This about ER, I was arguing in that vein.
“They should be protesting their co-founder. She drives a diesel car”
Instead, they are defending her.
Extinction rebellion is run by left-wing troublemakers followed by idiots.
On another contemporary subject of concern Scientific American (although I know that publication is not what it use to be) yesterday run interesting article, but leave it to medical expert to pass judgement on its veracity
Rogue Antibodies Involved in Nearly One Fifth of COVID Deaths
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/rogue-antibodies-involved-in-nearly-one-fifth-of-covid-deaths1/
Do they really need the police to respond? Seems like Londoners are willing and capable of dealing with these lunatics when they hamper access to roads and public transportation.
I’ll bet that Londoners beating the stuffing out of these morons will do more to thwart this behavior than the police can.
(Watch the entire video for a compilation of intelligent, civilized, angry citizens taking down these sociopaths and their mindless antics)
Well, this is a first. Normally the police have been all matey with the likes of XR and BLM, even taking ‘the knee’. Anyway, XR are too self righteous to consider any social responsibilities outside of their heads.
And another favourite is this gem where the lack of any worldly knowledge of the XaRarians is for all to see. Interestingly the police are nowhere to be seen.
Yes – total morons.
Maybe the police should refresh their memories on Sir Robert Peel’s 9 principles of policing from when he set up the police force ( sorry, now called the police service! ) in 1829.
The nub is in preventing crime and disorder, rather than having to deal with it after the event.
9 Policing Principles
To prevent crime and disorder, as an alternative to their repression by military force and severity of legal punishment.
To recognize always that the power of the police to fulfill their functions and duties is dependent on public approval of their existence, actions and behavior, and on their ability to secure and maintain public respect.
To recognize always that to secure and maintain the respect and approval of the public means also the securing of the willing cooperation of the public in the task of securing observance of laws.
To recognize always that the extent to which the cooperation of the public can be secured diminishes proportionately the necessity of the use of physical force and compulsion for achieving police objectives.
To seek and preserve public favor, not by pandering to public opinion, but by constantly demonstrating absolute impartial service to law, in complete independence of policy, and without regard to the justice or injustice of the substance of individual laws, by ready offering of individual service and friendship to all members of the public without regard to their wealth or social standing, by ready exercise of courtesy and friendly good humor, and by ready offering of individual sacrifice in protecting and preserving life.
To use physical force only when the exercise of persuasion, advice and warning is found to be insufficient to obtain public cooperation to an extent necessary to secure observance of law or to restore order, and to use only the minimum degree of physical force which is necessary on any particular occasion for achieving a police objective.
To maintain at all times a relationship with the public that gives reality to the historic tradition that the police are the public and that the public are the police, the police being only members of the public who are paid to give full-time attention to duties which are incumbent on every citizen in the interests of community welfare and existence.
To recognize always the need for strict adherence to police-executive functions, and to refrain from even seeming to usurp the powers of the judiciary of avenging individuals or the State, and of authoritatively judging guilt and punishing the guilty.
To recognize always that the test of police efficiency is the absence of crime and disorder, and not the visible evidence of police action in dealing with them.
Excellent and thanks. This is useful ‘ammunition’.
The organized, paid for their service, police force replaced the “Hue and Cry”.
From: Britannica:
Hue and cry, early English legal practice of pursuing a criminal with cries and sounds of alarm. It was the duty of any person wronged or discovering a felony to raise the hue and cry, and his neighbours were bound to come and assist him in the pursuit and apprehension of the offender. All those joining in the pursuit were justified in arresting the person pursued, even if it turned out that he was innocent. If the criminal bore apparent evidence of guilt on his person and if he resisted capture, he could be killed on the spot; if he submitted to capture, his fate was decided by due process. The various statutes relating to hue and cry were finally repealed in the early part of the 19th century.
I am going by memory as I don’t have the reference to hand, but I understand that back in Ye Olde Days villages were divided into sub groups (I want to say wards) of about 10 homes each and each ward was responsible for ensuring individuals within the group didn’t misbehave. If this didn’t happen the ‘authorities’ at the next level up would punish the entire group for failing to keep the peace.
I am paraphrasing from memory.
Also not suggesting this was a good system, more making a historical observation.
This does however sound a bit like East Germany under the Stazi, and North Korea now.
G’Day Craig
English history is very interesting. Check out the “Riot Act” some time. Or the “Game Act” of 1670, which disarmed the poor; followed by the English “Bill of Rights” in 1689 – which gave all Protestants the right to own arms. And then to discover that Oliver Cromwell died with/of malaria.
Come up with all sorts of tid-bits – at least enough to be called a “smart a**” (or in OZ “a***”) on occasion, but it’s fun.
A cordless ‘Sawzall’ (saber saw) could be used to cut that lame 2×4 ‘barrier’ down to kindling wood in short order.
The issue is that would hurt XR protesters, they climb the structure and attach themselves at height, to make it difficult to dismantle.
to expand on the words of Eric, workplace safety laws in Australia (Your Nation May Vary) basically allow for the fact some people will be deliberately stupid.
You are required to reduce risk So Far As Is Reasonably Practical, but you are not expected to have to deal with deliberate attempts to bypass your processes.
For example if you build a fence around a big hole and label it with ‘Danger! Deep Hole!’ (or words to that effect) then you are considered to have taken Reasonably Practical risk reduction. So if someone was then to go and climb your fence (showing clear intent to ignore your risk reduction) and then fall down said hole it is THEIR fault.
You can’t fix stupid.
However what you can’t do is go up to the person who has climbed your fence and push that person into the hole, or say drive a bulldozer into the area like that person was not there. While you are not responsible for third party stupidity (ie climbing the fence) you are responsible for YOUR actions.
So, in context of our discussion – Idiots placing themselves into danger are still idiots, but you can’t throw rocks at them.
Yes, you can …
You can do lot’s of things to them.
Morally … should you?
Reality … will you get caught & punished?
The right to protest is not the right to riot, and not license to infringe on the rights of others. Happily, for most rioters, an arrest and court appearance are enough to dampen enthusiasm, meaning that the London police (finally allowed to do their jobs) won’t have to continuously expend effort on them. For any of London’s XR’s who are not disencouraged to riot, as a permanent solution I suggest an expense paid trip to DC (by multimillion Euro carbon fiber yacht or leaky canoe), where the solution to riotous behavior, since January, seems perhaps to be a little more permanent. A self-directed tour of U.S. federal buildings, en masse and in costume, is much recommended.
Perhaps if London police feel that they’ve been frustrated in keeping order, they’ll be permitted to use truncheons, a more crude but effective means of providing XR with the individual extinction they so desire.
Round ’em up, put ’em in a field and bomb the bastards!
No need for violence, they’re just misguided idiots.
Making them sit through repeated showings of “The Great Global Warming Swindle” every time they are incarcerated might be a more appropriate response.
Come on Eric, this is from The Kenny Everett Show. 🙂
Probably wasn’t broadcast in Australia in the 1970’s.
Not really off topic because it’s about the wild assertions by organisations and individuals about a climate crisis or a mass extinction.
On June 21, 2007, the Financial Times ran a question and answer article on “Global warming: truth or propaganda?”
“Vaclav Klaus, president [the then] of the Czech Republic, argues in the Financial Times that ambitious environmentalism is the biggest threat to freedom, democracy, the market economy and prosperity. Mr Klaus writes that “global warming hysteria has become a prime example of the truth versus propaganda problem” and the issue “is more about social than natural sciences and more about man and his freedom than about tenths of a degree Celsius changes in average global temperature.”
Klaus states, “What is at risk is not the climate, but freedom.”
There follows a question and answer forum.
The first is from someone you may be familiar with.
Does President Klaus really believe that it is a good risk management strategy to ignore the summary report on climate change science by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, approved by the Czech Republic and other countries in February, concluding that continued greenhouse gas emissions at or above current rates would cause further warming and induce many changes in the global climate system during the 21st century that would very likely be larger than those observed during the 20th century?
Bob Ward, London, UK
Vaclav Klaus: I think it is a very bad risk management strategy to follow the summary report on climate change of the IPCC. To do it would be a giving up of risk management rules and of standard cost-benefit analysis techniques in favour of environmentalists’ “precautionary principle” which totally discredits risk management and comparison of costs and benefits. I suppose that you don’t insure your house (or car) when the danger is small and the insurance is too expensive. That’s all.
The questions continue in this vein but is well worth reading if you have a spare 10-15 minutes.
Remember this was 14 years ago. Nothing has changed.
https://www.ft.com/content/e9df7200-19c7-11dc-99c5-000b5df10621
Leftists in general and anarchists in particular are quite willing to destroy society.
They believe that during the chaos, they have a chance of taking over.
70% of them don’t think that far ahead.
I would love to see a group of people physically remove them from the streets. Personally, if I ever encountered this and I saw a group of people going to remove them, I’d join in in a heartbeat.
And on the flip side, I’d love to see a bunch of regular people blocking means of mass transit.
I want a video of Griff gluing his nipples to the pavement!!
Since when is the Mayor of London and his Administration actually concerned about crime committed against Londoners?
Did Emma jet in for moral support again?
Eco-warrior Emma Watson touches down in Chelsea on private helicopter (msn.com)
With leftys it’s nowt to do with outcomes but all about the struggle.
“I can’t breathe, I can’t breathe…”
Standard ploy.
For those who are beyond these shores, in the UK the police gave up regular foot patrols at the end of the 60s and village bobbies on bicycles went by the end of the 80s so if not at XR demonstrations they would be sitting in a car somewhere or slobbing around one of the few remaining police stations. They are now a reactive force that turns up after the event and often in large numbers given they have nothing else to do.
If I protested in this way the Police would arrest me and I would be locked up. Why are they not treated in this way, it must be that the Police have been paid off! Sack the lot, they are useless, particularly the Politically Correct Chief!