US Parents Sue Over Clandestine Covid-19 School Vaccination Programme Which Does NOT Require Parental Consent

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

If you live in Washington DC, and your child comes home a bit wobbly, there is a chance the school you entrust with their care just gave them a clandestine Covid jab. Without talking to you about it first, or even warning you afterwards to keep a close watch on your child for adverse vaccine reactions.

Parents Take Aim At D.C. Law That Lets Minors Get Vaccinated Without Permission

July 19, 2021

D.C. parents are suing city officials over a new law that allows children 11 and older to acquire vaccines without permission from parents. 

Four parents of students at several public schools — both traditional and charter — said giving children the autonomy to get immunized on their own violates parents’ rights and religious freedom, according to a July 12 lawsuit filed in the U.S. District Court in Washington. 

“All parents have a right to be directly involved in medical decision-making about their children,” said James Mason, an attorney representing the parents. 

It is the second lawsuit brought in recent weeks by parents who want the federal court to strike down the law, which went into effect in March.

The D.C. Council voted 10-3 in November to allow minors to give their own consent for vaccines recommended by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, even if a parent has filed a religious exemption. 

It is unclear if or how the legal challenges will affect the city’s efforts to inoculate youth against the coronavirus before the next academic year starts.

Read more: https://www.npr.org/local/305/2021/07/19/1017879942/parents-take-aim-at-d-c-law-that-lets-minors-get-vaccinated-without-permission

Just in case you think this story is too absurd to be true, you can read the bill granting 11yr olds explicit right to consent, “B23-0171 – Minor Consent for Vaccinations Amendment Act of 2019“, on the District of Columbia Council Website.

What about my claim that the law authorises “clandestine” medical procedures? Councillor Vincent Gray attached the following amendment to the original law:

“The provider shall notify the insurer that the immunization has been provided under the authority of this section.”

Rationale: This amendment requires the provider to notify the insurer that the immunization has been provided under the authority of the “Minor Consent for Vaccinations Amendment Act of 2020”, so the insurer will know that they should not send an Explanation of Benefits (EOB) for the vaccination. Without this amendment, the insurer would not be on notice that they needed to refrain from sending the EOB.

Read more: https://lims.dccouncil.us/downloads/LIMS/42000/Other/B23-0171-Gray_Amendment_-_B23-171.pdf

I’m not a lawyer, but the above amendment appears to be an instruction to insurers to not send an Explanation of Benefits to the policy holders, in this case the parents. This appears to be an instruction not to inform the parents that a medical procedure has been performed on their child.

To say I am shocked is an understatement.

An 11 year old is not capable of giving informed consent. I remember what I was like at age 11 – I mostly did what the teacher told me to do. I was a kid, and that is what good kids do – they obey adult authority figures.

The idea that a school can administer a non-emergency medical treatment which could injure or in rare cases even kill a child, without talking to the parents about it, or providing any warning to watch for side effects or adverse reactions, in my opinion is a total breach of trust.

Update (EW): h/t Bob Tisdale – Fixed a typo in the first paragraph.

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Editor
July 23, 2021 2:04 am

Typo alert, Eric. Shouldn’t “his” in the first sentence be “is”?

Regards,
Bob

Reply to  Bob Tisdale
July 23, 2021 1:49 pm

EXCLUSIVE: More Evidence Leaked from China on the Deliberate Release of COVID-19 by the Chinese Military
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/07/report-deliberate-release-covid-19-chinese-military/

July 23, 2021 2:24 am

This looks like a clear case of child abuse authorised by the Regime in Washington DC.

RexAlan
Reply to  nicholas tesdorf
July 23, 2021 4:09 am

So is scaring children with this stupid end of the world all the little animals are going to die man made catastrophic climate change/global warming education nonsense.

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Bill Powers
Reply to  RexAlan
July 23, 2021 8:20 am

“How Dare You!”

TRM
Reply to  Bill Powers
July 25, 2021 4:59 pm

Well played sir, well played LOL. The originator of that phrase, “Greta Money”, is on board with experimental gene therapy injections of course because you know … Covid and Climate Change all start with “C”

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Scissor
Reply to  nicholas tesdorf
July 23, 2021 4:41 am

97% of dictators agree in this policy.

“It also establishes that if a minor is able to comprehend the need for, the nature of, and any significant risks inherent in the medical care then informed consent is established.”

ironargonaut
Reply to  nicholas tesdorf
July 23, 2021 7:12 pm

This is nothing. In Oregon the law states kids older then 13 can get ANY treatment cancer etc. You can’t get mri results without their permission.

fretslider
July 23, 2021 2:38 am

Which Does NOT Require Parental Consent

The experience in the UK at least is one of the state and its experts sidelining parental choices and responsibilities.

Most reasonable people would agree I’m sure that a Drag act is adult entertainment. Most would prefer not to expose their young children to it. But the state knows better

“We’ve been told if we don’t like it then we should take our kids out of school on an unauthorised absence” said one mum

Speaking to the Bristol Post, a number of parents expressed concern about who the drag queens are as adult entertainers and the age-appropriateness of the reading materials.
The organisation has had country-wide success in teaching LGBT tolerance after a crowd funding campaign helped founder Tom Canham buy books and pay for a DBS check to perform in nurseries in London.

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/parents-anger-over-drag-queens-1254111

Parents who won’t let their son wear a skirt may have to be referred to social services, schools advised
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2018/10/04/parents-wont-let-son-wear-skirt-may-have-referred-social-services/

Our teachers opted to do their utmost to keep schools closed. There is talk of innoculating under 18s, but here I would expect that to remain a matter for parents, although given the direction of travel above – is your child in the right body? – I could well be wrong.

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whiten
Reply to  fretslider
July 23, 2021 3:27 am

A law that removes criminality from the act and legalise it, within the clause of “a child’s consent”, by completely diminishing and nullifying the parents rights… and the responsibility-acountability of the authority, of the school and the state.

The problem is not the cancellation of parent’s consent…but the replacement of it with the child’s consent.
That is something…heavy and sinister… brutal.

The responsibility in this case rest with the child alone, through the consent.

All other parties, the school, the state, the community and the parents too, are “immune” to/from responsibility and also impotent to the right of challenge.

What you can’t see or hear, can’t harm you, as it does not exist.

cheers

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fretslider
Reply to  whiten
July 23, 2021 4:00 am

to perform in nurseries in London.

Children as young as two or three giving [informed] consent?

I don’t think so.

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whiten
Reply to  fretslider
July 23, 2021 5:07 am

Consent or not, an adult heaving sex with a child consist as unlawful and a criminal act.

Consent or not, a medication applied or administered to a child completely outside of the clause of responsibility- accountability by all those responsible consist as an act of crime…a crime against humanity actually.

Clearly so when the responsibility of the authorities and parent’s right and parent’s responsibility is removed and replaced by the child’s consent through the edict of some state legislation.

cheers

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fretslider
Reply to  whiten
July 23, 2021 5:23 am

an adult heaving sex with a child consist as unlawful 

I think you should read my first post again

Drake
Reply to  whiten
July 23, 2021 10:57 am

New federal law under the supremacy clause when the Republicans get back in control.

Any local or state law allowing those under the age of 18 to have a specific right of CHOICE for voting rights or medical procedures, such CHOICE shall also apply to all 2nd amendment rights of gun purchase and/or ownership.

The only reason I did not write under 21 years is the assumption that now that ONE federal judge has ruled that 18 to 20 year old citizens have a right to buy a handgun where 21 or older do, that the courts will correct that injustice. Old enough, by the constitution, to vote, you are an adult for ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES.

Also time to remove all 18 and older from the parents’ health insurance and as dependents on taxes. That should quicken the conversion of youthful Democrat voters to conservative values. That happens in general when you they to stand on your own 2 feet.

Writing Observer
Reply to  whiten
July 23, 2021 3:33 pm

Except that it is not the child giving consent – ever. The State is determining whether they are “able to give informed consent,” and then providing the “information.” The State is determining whether they should get the shot, or should change their pronoun, or take puberty blockers.

Michael in Dublin
Reply to  fretslider
July 23, 2021 10:15 am

Will the state be prepared to take over all the parental responsibilities: feed, clothe, accommodate, care for a child when ill, transport them to where they need to go, spend time playing and talking with them, monitor their friendships and excursions, discipline them when necessary and pay every penny – I think not. That is not what in loco parentis means with respect to a teacher. It is a very narrowly restricted and limited set of responsibilities.

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Lawrence Ayres
Reply to  Michael in Dublin
July 23, 2021 6:52 pm

Of course it will. In communist countries the state pays all costs from birth to grave with the proviso that the recipient is a pliable, obedient serf. The US is rapidly becoming a communist country and as you have seen treasury just prints more money to pay for such things. Of course the downside is rampant inflation which has already begun. Unless Conservatives rise up, support vote audits and expel anti conservative representatives they will know what a gulag looks like.

Drake
Reply to  Lawrence Ayres
July 24, 2021 10:19 am

Yes, in communist countries the government pays all costs, NOT.

Example: At the end of the Soviet Union, if a relative was in the hospital and wanted clean sheets and, etc. YOU better have gotten you butt down there to change and wash the sheets, the government wasn’t going to do it.

Government has the control, power, but will only does the minimum. Look at the locos who speak so highly of Cuba having universal education and health care. Universally BAD healthcare specifically. I mean, where did Fidel go for medical care at the end? OUT OF CUBA!

And you do understand I agree with your view. I think the intentional PLAN to bankrupt the USA began in earnest when W added drug coverage to Medicare without adding a funding mechanism. Hang it all on helping on the OLD.

As I have posted elsewhere, time to block grant all Great Society programs back to the states on a per Citizen basis, not per recipient, at 75% of total current expenditures, reduced to 0% over 3 years, and let the States decide how to set the standards. Cali, Ill, Mich, NY and all other BLUE states will soon be bankrupt. The conservative exodus from leftist states will be massive due to the tax increases once there is a true CHOICE about where your tax money goes. States with very LOW free money giveaways will live the rising tide lifts all boats economies. (More people working provide more production for all).

Newest bright idea. Reduce the District of Columbia to only areas with government facilities with NO RESIDENTS ALLOWED other than the President and VP. Anyone attempting to claim residency would be guilty of a felony and prosecuted. Return all of the remaining portions to Maryland and Virginia. Now no complaint about not having representations, and Maryland gets almost all of the 95% voting DC resents, so no change to their voting habit. NO fed money to support those now state properties, and no chance to create a new state.

Paul Jenkinson
July 23, 2021 3:00 am

This a typical totalitarian decision by Government to usurp the right of the parents with no regard to the safety of the children.The fascists/communists don’t care about the kids.
A virtual 100% recovery from Covid in this demographic means there is plenty of time to ensure the safety over time of present and new vaccines while the vulnerable elderly are adequately protected.It is a primary aim of socialism to destroy the nuclear family thereby enhancing government control over individuals.-Another call for urgent ACTION by conservatives-words will not be enough as these parents have demontrated.

Speed
July 23, 2021 3:12 am

Eric Worrall wrote, “If you live in Washington DC, and your child comes home a bit wobbly … “

Wobbly. Is that a technical term? Is it a known side effect of Covid-19 immunization?

If you want to be taken seriously, be serious.

sendergreen
Reply to  Eric Worrall
July 23, 2021 9:22 am

Understated by CDC, one study showed Bell’s Palsy occurred in some recipients that occurred after either one dose, and in some cases both. And, another that some young adults experienced cardiac inflammation. I’d think that to be a scary precursor to future early cardiovascular disease (heart attacks).

Do you notice how long, LONG the “potential complications” list is on the paper included in the boxes of over the counter meds ? Like “some users reported purple stools”. Legal disclaimers …

There are none with the Covid vaccines… beyond that issued for every vaccine.

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Reply to  Eric Worrall
July 24, 2021 1:21 pm

…most who are already informed knew perfectly well what “wobbly” meant. Perhaps you could have used the phrase…”exhibiting any of the planned, deadly, life-altering, crippling “adverse-affects”? That might have satisfied the less-informed! Ha!

icisil
Reply to  Speed
July 23, 2021 6:47 am

Progressive paralysis does tend to make one go wobbly. Paralysis is a common side effect of the vexxines.

John in Oz
Reply to  Speed
July 23, 2021 7:03 pm

In Australia, if you were ‘a bit crook’, most of us would know what that means and covers all of the CDC side effects.

Loydo
July 23, 2021 3:35 am

Your child comes home a bit wobbly, there is a chance
they found mom and dad’s meth stash.

DonM
Reply to  Loydo
July 23, 2021 9:56 am

Loydo,

The left sees their own biases, and the biases of those in their bubble, and assume all others think the same way.

The left think they are superior to others and assume that others will act on their biases in a way that is harmful, while they (the left) can overcome their own biases.

The left projects their negative traits onto others.

With respect to the D.C. community, your biases are showing.

Loydo
Reply to  DonM
July 23, 2021 4:26 pm

You’re implying everyone else, including yourself, is immune from such biases and projections. I suggest that is an even deeper delusion.

David A
Reply to  Loydo
July 23, 2021 7:53 pm

Could you quote where that was implied?

MarkW
Reply to  David A
July 23, 2021 8:31 pm

Loydo is an expert at seeing what he wants to see.

DonM
Reply to  Loydo
July 25, 2021 1:33 pm

My point: ‘with respect to the DC community, your biases are showing’.

And, your biases may or may not be correct; (like Tommy Lee Jones) I don’t care.

It doesn’t make no nevermind to me if you think of the people in DC as crackheads or not. I don’t care.

You, on the other hand, seem to care a whole lot about controlling other peoples thoughts & hurting others if they are burdened with your interpretation of their ‘wrong’ thoughts. As such, you are a bad person.

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Reply to  Loydo
July 23, 2021 1:07 pm

or they became afflicted with Loydo Syndrome. At least a meth intoxiction would be temporary.

Art Slartibartfast
July 23, 2021 3:44 am

There is another issue here. Depending on the kind of proteins used in the vaccination, there can be a severe adverse reaction. I know of a family afflicted by this, and they have opted to wait for a different vaccine to come to the market that is based on a different composition. How well can one rely on an eleven-year old convey any counter indications to the people providing vaccinations? And that is assuming the child knows. This can cause serious harm that is avoidable by involving the parents.

Scissor
Reply to  Art Slartibartfast
July 23, 2021 4:46 am

For children, the rate of death from CV-19 is so low that the rate of death from vaccine complications is about the same or even higher. Now consider the serious adverse effects like you mention and myocarditis, etc, and unknown long term impacts, and this is insane.

Trying to Play Nice
Reply to  Scissor
July 23, 2021 5:07 am

The CDC is recommending that doctors do not perform a variety of routine tests because of the number of false positives leading to more (and costly) testing and anxiety on the part of patient. I think you are saying this vaccine falls in the same logical category.

Scissor
Reply to  Trying to Play Nice
July 23, 2021 5:37 am

That recommendation by CDC is rational.

What I am saying is that it does not make sense from a health care perspective to subject children to risks from a treatment for a disease which presents effectively no risk to them, especially when long term effects of the treatment are not and cannot be known.

Here is CV data for children.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanchi/article/PIIS2352-4642(21)00066-3/fulltext

I have been unable to confirm, but it’s been claimed that there has not been a single child death from CV in the U.S. of a child that did not suffer from some underlying health issue.

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griff
Reply to  Scissor
July 23, 2021 8:17 am

Children with long covid (nih.gov)

Evidence from the first study of long covid in children suggests that more than half of children aged between 6 and 16 years old who contract the virus have at least one symptom lasting more than 120 days, with 42.6 per cent impaired by these symptoms during daily activities. 

Jeroen B.
Reply to  griff
July 23, 2021 10:25 am

at least covid has a recovery process and system, unlike liberalitis, for which the only solution seems to be the same as the one for stupid.

Drake
Reply to  griff
July 23, 2021 11:12 am

Thanks for a link griff, rare and appreciated, however:

First. That article is not, in any way, scientific. It is anecdotal and political. And who is Helen Tomas and why doe I care what she says?

Second. Where is your link to the long term effects of 6 to 16 year olds from the vaccines? I would guess, with having seen what little the MSM and their helpers at facebook, twitter, youtube, etc. let through, you know the proverbial “tip of the iceburg”, that they are as bad or worse that what your link claims for having had the Chinavirus.

David A
Reply to  griff
July 23, 2021 3:35 pm

50 percent of a very small number is a very very small number. Children of this age are far more likely to be harmed by the vaccine, and that is before the potential long term affects.

Sara
July 23, 2021 3:54 am

When I was in grade school, that was the year the Salk vaccine for polio was distributed at school. My sister caught the virus that summer before school started, but it went to her tonsils, which had to be removed because she couldn’t breathe properly. We ALL got the polio vaxx at school, BUT OUR PARENTS KNEW ABOUT IT.

But THIS????????? Oh, no, you don’t do that without i know about it first. And what if those kids had already had the CV vaxx through the family doctor?

This isn’t just bad. It’s one more step to destruction of freedom. The parents should do more than just sue the school district.

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ATheoK
Reply to  Sara
July 23, 2021 6:22 pm

I also received the Polio Salk vaccine in Grade School.
I remember having to bring Parental approval signed documents, which in my case was carried by my Mother for both vaccine doses.
I liked the second dose, a sugar cube, much better than the first. Plus the lines went much faster with kids popping sugar cubes.

There were a lot of parents at the vaccine sites. Few of the grade school kids didn’t have an adult with them.

For our parents, Polio was a very well known and much feared disease with most adults knowing someone who had the disease.

In contrast, my High School had students infected with tuberculosis identified causing several kids to receive treatment while under quarantine.
For such a health threat, the school sent home papers to be signed allowing students to be tested for TB.

The test consisted of a bubble of fluid injected just under the skin.
Positive reactions caused inflammation and results were near immediate, but we all got to sit and have our injected sites checked by nurses before we could go back to class.

A surprising amount of kids fainted. Most fainted when they watched someone ahead of them get the shot, a very few fainted when they got the shot.

The paperwork sent home specified that return to classes would only be allowed when the school had copies of their negative TB test on file. A requirement that minimized how many didn’t have their parent signed paperwork.
Those who missed the school’s TB test had to get tested elsewhere.

Sara
Reply to  ATheoK
July 23, 2021 8:27 pm

We also got tested for TB in grade school, every fall in the first week. The second polio vaxx I got was the sugar cube, too, but in 7th grade. Then again, in Navy boot camp, got a smallpox vaxx, another polio (sugar cube) and a bunch of other vaxxes. And no one questioned that there was a benefit to any of this.

But now?? Well, I got my CV19 vaxx in mid-June and will get the booster in the fall, AFTER I get my flu shot. I don’t know what the problem is. The morbidity (illness) rate is slowly reducing and the mortality rate has dropped substantially. If this were another and fiercer version of the 1918 Spanish flu, would people be quite so quick to question the preventive method? I just wonder sometimes what goes through people’s minds.

Sheepfart
Reply to  Sara
July 23, 2021 10:40 pm

What goes through people’s minds? : How can you trust a government that teams up with an organisation whose “prediction” for 2030 is “you will own nothing and be happy”?

Sara
Reply to  Sheepfart
July 24, 2021 3:58 am

That’s a good point, SF. But we do have choices, don’t we? Frankly, this current gov’t is so full of flim-flammers that I don’t put much stock in anything any of them say, and especially in that demented dorkward whose name starts with “F”.

See? He doesn’t even rate being referred to as a warthog from Hell. 🙂

You have a good day.

observer
Reply to  Sara
July 24, 2021 6:49 am

What goes through people’s minds is that the “vaccines” are still experimental; that they use a novel mechanism; that no one has explained how these particular vaccines do not induce ADE like their predecessors; that they induce the body to produce a toxic protein that can maim and even kill; and that they neither prevent the acquisition nor transmission of a disease with a CFR < 1%.

In other words – if you’re healthy and under 40, the vaccines almost certainly present a greater risk to you than the disease itself does.

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David Baird
July 23, 2021 3:56 am

“An 11 year old is not capable of giving informed consent. I remember what I was like at age 11 – I mostly did what the teacher told me to do. I was a kid, and that is what good kids do – they obey adult authority figures.”

Wow, now they can work on getting the kids to rat out their parents if they are unvaccinated. And
who knows, maybe the “authority figures” will promote the next Child’s Crusade against what ever they decide to brain wash the kids about. Just what the world needs, more Greta’s.

July 23, 2021 4:42 am

CHAPTER 3–COVID FOR ETHICS PRESENTATION ON VACCINE FOR CHILDREN
JULY 23, 2021 / BRIAN PECKFORD
https://peckford42.wordpress.com/2021/07/23/chapter-3-covid-for-ethics-presentation-on-vaccine-for-children/

“The Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine lacks safety.”

Brian Peckford is former Premier of Newfoundland and Labrador.

Do NOT inject your kids the Covid-19 “vaccines”. All risk and no reward.
 
Some experts call it a “kill shot”.

Sara
Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
July 23, 2021 8:28 pm

Really? A “kill shot” ???? Then how come I”m not dead yet?????

observer
Reply to  Sara
July 24, 2021 7:12 am

Most of the more alarmist experts on the subject believe that the “vaccines” may i) induce ADE, which could make any future coronavirus infections more serious, ii) that the micro-clotting occuring in lung capillaries (as the spike proteins embed themselves in ACE receptors in vascular endolthelium and disturb blood flow) will induce greater strain on the heart and bring about premature right-sided heart failure; and that there are cancer risks in tissues that wind up accumulating spike proteins and unmetabolised vaccine that escapes from the injection site in the deltoid, as detailed by Pfizer’s own bio-distribution research.

The first will probably start showing up in fall as flu/cold season picks up; the second in 1 – 3 years; and the 3rd is anyone’s guess.

Please note these concerns are based on a first-principles understanding of how the human body works, not empirical data. But that’s the whole point – we’ll only have the empirical data when the trials finish, which is not until 2022 for Moderna and 2023 for Pfizer.

And that’s assuming you can trust the trial results.

According to VAERS and EUDRA, the vaccines have killed tens of thousands of people already in the EU & USA alone, and there’s good reason to believe that adverse reactions are actually under-reported by a factor of 10.

It may be that the vaccines will do more good than harm for people who are more at risk from Covid (the old, the fat, the diabetic, etc) but as it stands, if you’re under 45 and healthy, the vaccines look more risky than the disease.

TonyG
Reply to  observer
July 24, 2021 9:42 am

The first will probably start showing up in fall as flu/cold season picks up;

Most likely resulting in more lockdowns

Sara
Reply to  TonyG
July 24, 2021 10:24 am

Lockdowns? Not necessarily. We don’t shut down for the seasonal flu, do we? No. We stay home, snuggle under blankets on the couch and watch TV, consume mass quantities of stuff like pizza and chicken wings, and sneer at the snow outside the windows, and pity the poor souls waiting at the bus stop or the train station.

TonyG
Reply to  Sara
July 24, 2021 10:41 am

Sara, that was the past. In the post-covid world I’m not so sure. Governments have a taste for the power now. After all “it’s for your own good”.

Sara
Reply to  observer
July 24, 2021 10:20 am

Those are good points, but the “season” for it seems to be cold weather more than warm weather – at least here in the USA – and I’m waiting to see what happens when fall returns. Not too far off.

Look, there are ‘dangers’ in everything, including even the polio vaccine and eating margarine instead of butter. I’ve had no reaction to the covid vaxx, but my cold, which plagued me off & on all winter finally threw up its hands and went away when I got my covid vaxx in June. And since the common cold is caused by a wide variety of bugs, I had to ask my doctor if that was a coincidence or something else. Even she doesn’t have an answer to that.

I understand the desire to act with caution, especially in regard to something this new and strange, but would you have felt the same way if this were 1918 and the Spanish flu (which was brought to Spain earlier by Chinese workers looking for work) was going around and killing off thousands, like wildfire, and suddenly, someone found a way to stop it?

Considering the plagues of various sorts that swept through Europe in the Middle Ages, when the only “medicine” available was to bleed the sick or hope it didn’t hit you, and otherwise isolate yourself from them, would you rather nothing was done to try to stop this virus from doing more harm?

At least this fall, when cold weather comes back (and viruses love cold weather), we should be better prepared to deal with it.

Reply to  Sara
July 24, 2021 2:14 pm

….had we not listened to the corrupt government in 1918, perhaps we would know more about the real origins of “The Spanish Flu”. We would have known that it originated at Ft. Riley Kansas, and was the outcome of vaccination experiments on troops. But since we have moved on from 1918, we The People are aware of the lies of WW I, The Depression, the theft of gold, silver and valuable from banks during the Depression, WW II, The Korean War, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Panama, Iraq I & II, JFK, RFK, MLK, The Savings and Loan theft, the housing crash, Oklahoma City, Waco, Ruby Ridge, TWA Flight 800, Operation Mockingbird, Operation Paperclip, the unconstitutional income tax, 911 and all the endless-evil perpetuated in our name. Why would you believe anything any member of government tells you?

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Observer
Reply to  Sara
July 25, 2021 11:09 am

Sara, it’s unreasonable to compare the risks of Covid with the Spanish Flu, which is probably around 40 x as deadly, and – unlike Covid – k!lled far, far more young people.

Arguably, even the average seasonal flu is more deadly than Covid in terms of QALY.

And if you don’t know what QALY is, perhaps you need to do some research before expressing patronising disbelief at other people’s decisions concerning (experimental) medical interventions.

MarkW
Reply to  Observer
July 25, 2021 2:14 pm

WOW, is there room for more than one in your dimension?

Reply to  Sara
July 24, 2021 11:57 am

Really Sara – you are usually smarter than this. We’re not in Kansas anymore.

See my analysis here when it clears moderation.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/07/22/aussie-health-minister-goes-off-script-with-ivermectin-treatment-for-covid-19/#comment-3299087

Also see Observor’s reply to you:
“.the “vaccines” may i) induce ADE, which could make any future coronavirus infections more serious, ii) that the micro-clotting occuring in lung capillaries (as the spike proteins embed themselves in ACE receptors in vascular endolthelium and disturb blood flow) will induce greater strain on the heart and bring about premature right-sided heart failure; and that there are cancer risks in tissues that wind up accumulating spike proteins and unmetabolised vaccine that escapes from the injection site in the deltoid, as detailed by Pfizer’s own bio-distribution research.”

Add to that possible sterilization of women and also of men?

Repeating, “a kill shot” for our society. Hope to be wrong.
_________________

Also see this hypo re new lockdowns to come:

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/07/22/aussie-health-minister-goes-off-script-with-ivermectin-treatment-for-covid-19/#comment-3298619
[excerpt]

My HYPOTHESIS:

This July 2021 spike in Covid-19 “cases” in the UK and Israel is a NOT a result of the virus, but rather is a reaction to the “vaccines”.

[Cue Twilight zone music; insert strong expletives as appropriate]

Reply to  Sara
July 24, 2021 1:59 pm

…give it time. If the non-corrupt experts are correct…you are just waiting for a date to die. They claim that if you come into contact with a corona virus…the flu, a cold or some such…they predict that your immune system will go into overdrive, producing deadly amounts of spike proteins and the associated blood clots, heart attacks, strokes and organ failure. My brother had a 1.5 year old stent…and died of a massive heart attack 10 days after his first “vaccine” shot. As the doctors tried to save him, they had to immediately replace the stent as it was clogged with clotted blood, in spite of my brother being on blood thinners and the new stent. I hope the experts are wrong. Knowing what I know, the experiences I’ve had in my life…I trust no government. Have a healthy Fall. Try to be safe.

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David A
Reply to  RJ O'Guillory
July 25, 2021 3:02 am

Sorry to hear about your brother. That is the kind of tragedy many report from the vaccines. Do you know if your brothers case was reported to VARS?

Rah
July 23, 2021 5:10 am

If your surprised by this, you simply have not been paying attention. The left started laying the ground work for exactly this kind of thing long ago where they could with birth control.

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MarkW
Reply to  Rah
July 23, 2021 6:13 am

In many districts, minors can get abortions without parental consent.

Abolition Man
Reply to  MarkW
July 23, 2021 8:02 am

MarkW,
Also hormone treatments for transitioning their gender! Trans activists are pushing kids to undergo life changing surgeries and drug regimes without parents knowing!

niceguy
Reply to  MarkW
July 23, 2021 8:14 am

Abortion is much simpler than immunization (probably one of the complex medical issue).

MarkW
Reply to  niceguy
July 23, 2021 8:51 am

You have a better chance of having negative reactions from an abortion, including death, than you do from a vaccination.

DonM
Reply to  MarkW
July 23, 2021 10:01 am

In all cases death is assured.

(although sometimes the child has already died)

niceguy
Reply to  MarkW
July 23, 2021 1:25 pm

MS rates triple in France because of mass hep B vaccination, so I think you are absolutely, ridiculously wrong.
Also, many other disease. I think France state debt will double (compared to pre-plandemic levels) when AI gets into the picture and re-judge the old affairs. So France is twice bankrupt.

MarkW
Reply to  niceguy
July 23, 2021 1:59 pm

Not this nonsense again.
The link between MS and vaccines was disproven many years ago.

niceguy
Reply to  MarkW
July 23, 2021 9:11 pm

Disproven by consensus and avalanche of studies, none of which show less MS among vaxxed people.

Give it up already. There is nothing more firm and certain in the medical field.

MarkW
Reply to  niceguy
July 24, 2021 8:07 am

SInce the vaccine isn’t for MS, why on earth would anyone expect a study to show less MS amongst those who have received the vaccine.
What none of the studies show is that there is a consistent, statistically significant increase in MS.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  MarkW
July 24, 2021 12:11 pm

And it takes years for MS to develop…

niceguy
Reply to  Carlo, Monte
July 24, 2021 2:17 pm

Exactly: they say MS is too late or too early after vaccine. They are deniers.

Wade
July 23, 2021 5:19 am

The drug companies and the media told us that the so-called vaccines would not prevent you from getting COVID-19, just prevent it from being severe. So, why should a group of people whose chance of having a severe COVID-19 reaction is less than their chance of getting in an auto accident get a treatment that reduces the severity of that disease? If their chance of bad COVID-19 reaction is less than 0.01%, why bother lower it to 0.005% for a treatment with unknown long-term side-effects?

And, by the way, it is NOT a vaccine! It is gene-therapy. The smallpox vaccine prevents you from getting smallpox. The polio vaccine prevents you from getting polio. The flu vaccine prevents you from getting the flu strains that are in the vaccine. (The only reason why the flu vaccine isn’t better is because it is very difficult to know which flu strains will spread months ahead of time.) This treatment does nothing to keep you from getting or spreading the virus. Indeed, it seems with it you can be an asymptomatic super-spreader. Without it, you cannot be an asymptomatic spreader.

The safest and cheapest thing we could have done is isolate the vulnerable, prescribed cheap and off-patent drugs that have been proven to work against past coronaviruses, and let those most likely to recover build up herd immunity. But, this was never about your health.

niceguy
Reply to  Wade
July 23, 2021 8:14 am

The flu vaccine prevents you from getting the flu strains that are in the vaccine”
Yet there is zero evidence of that.

Duane
July 23, 2021 5:39 am

This is a ridiculous post that does not belong on WUWT.

Firstly, this is a website about climate change, not about COVID policy. I get it that a lot of right wingnuts come here and want to spout off about their rightwingnutism, Trump love, and COVID hate, but if WUWT wants to earn any respect it must cease and desist being just another rightwingnut rag.

Secondly, the premise of the article is that these vaccinations are “clandestine”, which of course is an enormously loaded word that implies illegality, skullduggery, spycraft, etc. etc. Nothing could be further from the truth.

The DC council voted to allow vaccinations of school children without parental consent. That is not “clandestine”. If parental consent is not necessary, then parental notification is not necessary. Every school parent in DC can read the same law, so it is not a secret by any means.

Finally, everybody who is an anti-vaxxer is a nutbag, period. Whether anti-vaxxing on COVID or anything else. And for all those rightwingnutbags who still refuse to get a COVID shot, all I can say is that thank God for COVID culling out at least some of the idiots in the current human gene pool.

Tom in Florida
Reply to  Duane
July 23, 2021 5:49 am

“This is a ridiculous post that does not belong on WUWT.”

Et tu Duane?

Last edited 2 months ago by Tom in Florida
MarkW
Reply to  Duane
July 23, 2021 6:16 am

1) This site is about whatever interests Anthony. That has always been made clear.
2) If you hate reality so much, you are free to leave.
3) Whether you are an anti-Vaxer or not (If you have read anything I’ve written you know that I’m not), the issue is giving non-emergency treatment to minors without getting parental permission first.
4) Time and again, you take the side of the totalitarians.

Duane
Reply to  MarkW
July 23, 2021 8:07 am

I hate stupid and unreality, as this post was.

MarkW
Reply to  Duane
July 23, 2021 8:52 am

If you hate stupid and unreal, then you must really detest your own posts.

griff
Reply to  MarkW
July 23, 2021 8:20 am

Really?

I thought it was ‘The World’s most viewed site on climate change and global warming’.

does the strapline need a change?

MarkW
Reply to  griff
July 23, 2021 8:53 am

It is “The World’s most viewed site on climate change and global warming”, it’s also much more.
The two aren’t incompatible.
Perhaps if you would learn English you would be able to understand that.

TonyG
Reply to  MarkW
July 23, 2021 12:23 pm

griff and Duane have apparently not read the About page:

About Watts Up With That? News and commentary on puzzling things in life, nature, science, weather, climate change, technology, and recent news by Anthony Watts”

As I recall, that used to be on the banner until a couple years ago.

MarkW
Reply to  TonyG
July 23, 2021 2:00 pm

Like most leftists, they couldn’t care less about the About page.
They want WUWT to be what they are interested in, and are willing to whine and cry until they get it.

Sara
Reply to  MarkW
July 24, 2021 4:15 am

For some reason, I read that first phrase as “Like most lettuces…”. I need to get out more on the moor.

MarkW
Reply to  Sara
July 24, 2021 8:08 am

Are you comparing leftists to vegetables?

Sara
Reply to  griff
July 24, 2021 4:12 am

griffy, we haven’t yet seen what REALLY happens when REALLY cold weather sets in and everyone is sniffling and sneezing but they’re all “vaxxed” against this obnoxious bug, have we now?
Nope, we haven’t, because in the flu season (coming to a drugstore near you), the probability of getting the flu is determined partly by how much crowding there is in stores, restaurants, buses, trains, offices and elevators near you, and whether or not you got a flu vaxx.
So, since winter weather usually means COLD and FLU SEASON, because those bugs thrive in that kind of weather, it might do you some good to take a wider perspective.
I know, I know: that’s difficult, but give it a shot. Jim Beam is good for a shot or two, starts at $22 for a reasonable 750ml bottle.

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Rah
Reply to  Duane
July 23, 2021 6:20 am

How typically leftist. Always some arrogant ass telling his/her host what the content of the blog should or should not be. Don’t like it the leave! But if your going to stick around then please tell us what “science” that vote was based on.

Duane
Reply to  Rah
July 23, 2021 8:15 am

I am no leftist, but I reject rightwingnutism and anti-vaxxerism, just as I reject leftwingnutism.

The world has way too many nuts, and most of them post on the internet.

WUWT advertises itself as the world’s most read climate change website … but everytime it gets off the reservation into the world of Trumpism and rightwingnutism, it not only practices in false claims and advertising, it automatically discredits itself as a serious climate change forum and merely wallows in rightwingnutism, which itself discredits serous climate change skepticism.

Rah
Reply to  Duane
July 23, 2021 8:53 am

Yea, your no leftist, you just express the same kind of views using the same kind of deprecating expressions one gets if they watch CNN or The View, or read any any of the radical left wing blogs. A mere coincidence of course.

I would bet I have taken and given more types of vaccines than you have, like rabies and plague series on top of all the usual stuff plus more recently receiving pneumococcal pneumonia and and shingles vaccines, and I refuse to take any of the COVID shots.

This forum is doing exactly what it’s creator intends and has become what it is under his direction. IOW he has a track record of success. If you think the content is unacceptable then go elsewhere.

MarkW
Reply to  Duane
July 23, 2021 8:55 am

So basically you reject any opinion that differs from yours,

As to nuts, I don’t see anyone nuttier than you and your frequent and wild complaints.

PS, your hatred of Trump and all the good things he has done for the country are duly noted.

DonM
Reply to  Duane
July 23, 2021 10:08 am

I jokingly tell say that the people that drive slower than me are ‘idiots’ and the people that drive faster than me are ‘maniacs’.

I don’t really believe this. I don’t think my perspective is all there should be, and that those that vary from my speed are wrong.

I am very curious as what it feels like to KNOW that you are the center, and everyone that is not close to you is fringe ….

Dave Fair
Reply to  DonM
July 23, 2021 10:52 am

I’m going to start using that analogy!

MarkW
Reply to  DonM
July 23, 2021 2:02 pm

I am very curious as what it feels like to KNOW that you are the center, and everyone that is not close to you is fringe ….

That seems to be the attitude of just about every leftist I have ever met.
The further left they are, the more convinced that they are the center of creation they become.

rah
Reply to  DonM
July 23, 2021 7:31 pm

Safe at any speed with a good front door if your good enough. I especially appreciate a good front door when it’s dark and driving in deer, elk, or moose country.

This last week I spent driving between Marion, IL and Exit 16, I-65 in Indiana to the Loves truck stop there picking up Toyota service parts from the manufacturers.

Start in Marion, two stops there then to Princeton, IN and the final pickup in Lawrenceville, IL and then to the Loves Truck Stop where I traded trailers with another driver and head back to Marion to take my break and do it again the next day.

Work day was 11 1/2 to 13 hours depending on how things went.
I avoid driving the interstates when feasible. So I was doing a lot of driving through farm country, woods, and even state parks and National Forests. And some here might be surprised to learn there are a fair number of oil wells in Southern Illinois. Winding and hilly roads in some places.

As long as one uses common sense and good routing the two keys to making good time in a big rig are maintain momentum and keep the doors closed and the wheels rolling. The later is just a matter of will. The former is where the skill comes in and especially so on winding hilly roads when loaded.

I don’t race anyone but myself but gain a great deal of satisfaction driving in those conditions. Maybe it just isn’t possible to explain it and one just has to be there to understand just like nailing a tough back without having to do a single pull up.

David A
Reply to  Duane
July 23, 2021 3:52 pm

The article is accurate. Your vapid emotional rants are not.

Clandestine; “kept secret or done secretively” , as in NOT INFORM PARENTS, about a potentially harmful, known to be harmful to some degree, and completely unnecessary for that demographic shot.

So other then that wrong criticism, what else made the article wrong?

Your TDS is showing, you should be embarrassed.

Mark Kaiser
Reply to  Duane
July 23, 2021 5:25 pm

The world has way too many nuts, and most of them post on the internet.

And yet here you post. 🤪

Reply to  Duane
July 23, 2021 6:26 am

Nobody has to be a rightwing pointing on unscientific behaviour, is for what reason ever not a friend of Cov 19 “vaccination”. :||

mkelly
Reply to  Duane
July 23, 2021 6:37 am

Duane, does every level of government have the authority to remove parental consent from anything the government sees fit?

So no more forms for field trips?
An we circumcise little boys?
What about sampling drugs to show them the effects?

What is the line in the sand for you?

Duane
Reply to  mkelly
July 23, 2021 8:12 am

The government has always set forth requirements for public activities, whether it is governing the voting process, or getting a drivers license and driving on public roads, or attending a public school, or boarding a commercial airliner, or building a house or anything else that ever gets built. I know that a lot of people try to refuse acknowledgment of such, but a civil society cannot be built or maintained if there were no laws and rules for participation.

The government cannot force you to get a vaccination per se.. but the government can force you to get a vaccination as a condition for attending a public school. If you cannot or will not comply with that, then you can send your kids to a right wingnut anti-vaxxer school, or get them home schooled. It’s a free country.

Public schools for many decades have required various vaccinations as a condition of attending public schools, and no, parental consent is not required, but is usually given.

Dave Fair
Reply to  Duane
July 23, 2021 11:18 am

Duane, purposefully or not, your comments indicate you do not understand the issue. Here, the government clandestinely administers a controversial drug with known harmful side effects to underage children without parental consent. Additionally, the government takes active steps to ensure that parents are not informed of their potentially life-threatening act. Parents do not know to look for potential side effects.

Parents are denied their right to refuse non-emergency, life-threatening treatment of their children. If a vaccine is a requirement for school admission, parents lose their right to pull their kids to avoid the potentially harmful vaccine.

I get a flu shot every year, have had the pneumonia and shingles shots, and got both ChiCom virus shots; I’m not an anti-vaxxer. The government, however, does not own our children.

TonyG
Reply to  Dave Fair
July 23, 2021 12:50 pm

Dave, the use of “anti-vaxxer” is nothing more than a way to totally dismiss any disagreement, no different than “denier”.

Dave Fair
Reply to  TonyG
July 23, 2021 1:07 pm

Tony, I seem to have mistakenly implied a motive in using the term “anti-vaxxer.” I used the term because it is in common usage and I wanted to avoid a mistaken perception that I could be opposed to common vaccinations.

Mea Culpa.

TonyG
Reply to  Dave Fair
July 23, 2021 1:22 pm

Dave, I think perhaps I wasn’t clear then, if you got that impression from what I said.

I was not referring to YOUR use of the term, rather I was referring to the use of it to refer to (a) people who are hesitant or leery of THIS vaccine for whatever reason, or (b) (as used here) people who disagree with a policy that takes such decisions out of parent’s hands.

Jim G
Reply to  Duane
July 23, 2021 6:39 pm

Just curious.

Do you believe that rights stem from the Government or our Creator?

MarkW
Reply to  mkelly
July 23, 2021 8:56 am

Duane seems to feel that the government can’t be wrong.
But let’s be sure, he’s no leftist.

icisil
Reply to  Duane
July 23, 2021 6:56 am

Bob is a good man. Therefore all Bobs are good men.

Don Perry
Reply to  Duane
July 23, 2021 7:06 am

“And for all those rightwingnutbags who still refuse to get a COVID shot…”

Does that reference also include Robert Kennedy jr.? Sounds to me your post is the one that is ridiculous filled with twisted political bias. Perhaps you should be referred to as a leftwingnutbag??

icisil
Reply to  Don Perry
July 23, 2021 7:20 am

What got me was him saying rightwingnuts want to spout off about their COVID hate. I guess that makes sense to those who have a love affair with every perceived crisis.

Pat from Kerbob
Reply to  Duane
July 23, 2021 8:00 am

This post isn’t about anti-vaxx, its about rights and responsibilities. I’m a parent and i happen to support vaccines including those for covid, my entire family has two vaccines, but i would fight like hell any law that suggests the state can do ANYTHING with or to my child without my consent.

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niceguy
Reply to  Duane
July 23, 2021 8:18 am

You must be one of the drones you say ElEcTiOn ArE a StAtE iSsUe So CaLiF cAn Do WhAtEvEr ItS lAwS sAy. Also, how dare you conservatives do an election audit. The Feds have to stop that!

griff
Reply to  Duane
July 23, 2021 8:18 am

Increasingly this is a website about the political preoccupations of the right hand end of the US Republican party…

MarkW
Reply to  griff
July 23, 2021 8:59 am

It does look that way, since so many leftists are using these made up crisis to push whatever nonsense they feel like selling today.

Pat from kerbob
Reply to  griff
July 23, 2021 9:54 am

It is about the corruption of all science and reasoning, corruption you whole heartedly endorse griff

Reply to  griff
July 23, 2021 1:57 pm

I’m not from US, a lot of people here are from Australia, France, UK….
we didn’t vote for Trump, Biden, Merkel, Macron.
Better switch your brain on before posting, assuming there is one to switch, a little one at least.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Krishna Gans
July 23, 2021 3:30 pm

He can’t get any comments right about his own (And formerly mine. Australia now) country, the UK. He is always commenting on Germany and Australia, and getting that wrong too.

David A
Reply to  griff
July 23, 2021 4:02 pm

CAGW is political, and is founded in political ideology. Read ( blue planet in green shackles). Have you heard the phrase, “ The left ruins everything”. They do. Have you heard of “The March through the institution’s “? Yes, they ruin everything.

whiten
Reply to  Duane
July 23, 2021 8:23 am

Duane.

Any infringement of Nuremberg act consists as a crime against the humanity.
Regardless who commits it.

In the Nuremberg act, the main point in regard to administering medications is the “consent”… a proper uncompromised consent.

There cannot be any clearer offence there, than when the value of that consent is diminished intentionally by being transferred to a child… regardless of any innuendos or politics or lies…
regardless of one’s ability to understand it – read it or not…
regardless of one knowing it or not.
It still consists as a crime against humanity.

cheers

TonyG
Reply to  Duane
July 23, 2021 12:11 pm

So what else do you think 11 year old children are capable of consenting to, Duane? Please, provide a list so that we can ensure those nasty parents don’t have the right to prevent any of it.

Or maybe we should just have the state raise them?

TonyG
Reply to  Duane
July 23, 2021 12:22 pm

You mean rightwingnutbags like the Nation of Islam? https://www.noi.org/vaccine/

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Duane
July 23, 2021 4:28 pm

KEK!

[V ybir jvaqvat gurz hc jvgu guvf]

pigs_in_space
Reply to  Duane
July 24, 2021 11:11 am

“for all those rightwingnutbags who still refuse to get a COVID shot, all I can say is that thank God for COVID culling out at least some of the idiots in the current human gene pool.”

The moment I read this bit of brain-f..art the BS-o-meter hit the end of the scale.
Do you like writing utter bollox, or is it an accident of birth?

Tom in Florida
July 23, 2021 5:42 am

“a total breach of trust.”

Eric, you have secured the award for understatement of the year, decade, century , all time.

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Old.George
July 23, 2021 5:45 am

To what degree is the state school in loco parentis? Can the school make life-altering decisions for the child. Order medical therapy? Even over-the-counter pain killers? Or as in gender reassignment and prescription drugs?
Is a vaccine a prescription drug? If no prescription needed — essentially over-the-counter — why?

Peta of Newark
July 23, 2021 5:49 am

I give you this, without comment:

https://www.naturalhealth365.com/news/

Tom in Florida
Reply to  Peta of Newark
July 23, 2021 5:56 am

A Peta post without comment? Will wonders never cease! 🙂

Abolition Man
Reply to  Tom in Florida
July 23, 2021 8:06 am

Tom,
Sometimes words are unable to describe the incredible evil and corruption we are living through right now! But I do agree! 🤪

Richard Brimage
Reply to  Peta of Newark
July 23, 2021 6:21 am

I personally know two people who had adverse reactions to the injections. When I asked if they reported the reactions the answer was no. One of the reactions was basically 24 hours of agony. I wonder how many other people with these types of reactions did not report.

icisil
Reply to  Richard Brimage
July 23, 2021 7:37 am

An MD told me the other day that she has seen over 70 adverse reactions, but has only reported one of them to VAERS because each report takes about 30 minutes to fill out, and she said she just doesn’t have the time.

DonM
Reply to  Richard Brimage
July 23, 2021 10:18 am

Within my circle of friends & acquaintances (and friends of acquaintances & acquaintances of friends), I know of 3 people that actually died from the shot (2 elderly with blood clotting issues & 1 in his healthy forties w/ an autopsy that said multiple organ failure).

With the same 2 degrees of contact, I know of 2 covid deaths.

Tom in Florida
Reply to  DonM
July 23, 2021 1:22 pm

No one I know had any kind of reaction other than some soreness or a slight headache. In addition, the scores of people who have come into my store and with whom I have screened on the phone prior to in home services, have not had any reaction other than again some soreness or a slight headache. Most have had no reaction at all. This vast and varied sample far outweighs the simple “a couple of people I know” anecdotes.

David A
Reply to  Tom in Florida
July 23, 2021 4:09 pm

Can’t say your tale is particularly cogent either. However the reports are many, ( indicative of more harm for many demographics then the illness) growing, accelerating and the long term is worrisome.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  DonM
July 23, 2021 3:36 pm

Blood issues is one reason why I am not going to take any of them. I understand they are all still under clinical trials which end in 2023. Makes you wonder as to the real reason they are being pushed.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Patrick MJD
July 23, 2021 4:35 pm

The spike proteins artificially manufactured as a result of the injections bind themselves to capillary wall cells, resulting in blood clots.

Sign me up! [not]

David A
Reply to  DonM
July 23, 2021 4:05 pm

Curious, how many of those were reported to VARS?

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Patrick MJD
Reply to  Richard Brimage
July 23, 2021 3:34 pm

My sister, 54, caved in to peer pressure and had a very bad reaction to the first Astrazeneca jab for about 5 days IIRC. She wasn’t going to get the second one, which was rather pointless given the first. So, she went and got the second and was OK. I myself won’t go near any of them.

MarkW
Reply to  Richard Brimage
July 24, 2021 8:14 am

It’s interesting how those who complain the loudest about COVID statistics being artificially inflated by counting anyone who dies with COVID as being a COVID death, will then turn around and declare that anyone who dies after receiving the COVID vaccine as having been killed by the COVID vaccine.

David A
Reply to  MarkW
July 25, 2021 3:22 am

To be fair, most VARS reports are far more nuanced then just dying after receiving the shot. ( After all, 50 percent of the population is vaccinated, and that means about 4 k vaccinated die daily.)

The VARS generally incorporate unusual fatal symptoms, known to be potential consequences of the vaccine, which had no prior manifestation in the patients medical history. Some studies have indicated that VARS greatly undercounts such deaths.

icisil
Reply to  Peta of Newark
July 23, 2021 7:29 am

A graph that puts the 1st article in that link (11,000 vexxine deaths) into perspective. Now there’s a hockey stick MM would be jealous of. (ergo how long before a climate scientist tries to correlate this with CO2?)
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Simon
Reply to  icisil
July 23, 2021 12:51 pm

Its a BS graph. Link please

Reply to  Simon
July 23, 2021 2:03 pm

But the sheer number of reports surrounding the experimental COVID jabs is virtually unprecedented for the surveillance program, which was created in 1990.
To start: between December 14, 2020, and July 9, 2021, 10,991 deaths after COVID shots were reported to VAERS – that’s roughly 70 post-jab deaths per day in the U.S. alone. Nearly a quarter of these deaths were related to cardiac disorders, and at least half occurred in males.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/07/23/us-parents-sue-over-clandestine-covid-19-school-vaccination-programme-which-does-not-require-parental-consent/#comment-3298134

Simon
Reply to  Krishna Gans
July 23, 2021 3:53 pm

Now let’s be honest. In the group that died covid was almost certainly not the cause of death as the death rates were no higher amongst that group(in fact lower) than would otherwise have been expected. That my friend is what you call being deceptive with numbers.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Simon
July 23, 2021 5:46 pm

Do you know what a blood clot is, CNN-Simon?

icisil
Reply to  Simon
July 23, 2021 2:55 pm

lol you’re not that dense, are you? It’s VAERS data as indicated on the graph. Query VAERS yourself if you don’t believe it, and report back what you find.

https://vaers.hhs.gov/data.html

Simon
Reply to  icisil
July 23, 2021 3:57 pm

I may be dense but at least I am honest. Straight from the CDC
Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. More than 339 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through July 19, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 6,207 reports of death (0.0018%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem. A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records, has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines. “

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Simon
July 23, 2021 4:37 pm

CNN-Simon must have a financial stake in the gene treatments.

Simon
Reply to  Carlo, Monte
July 23, 2021 4:44 pm

OK one last time. The vaccines don’t affect your genes in any way. That is a lie which is ironic given you are accusing me of such a thing. Anyway, isn’t your messiah Trump all in favour of the vaccines?

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Simon
July 23, 2021 5:49 pm

The injections deliver a messenger RNA into cells which tells them to manufacture spike proteins.

Note to CNN-Simon: without the mRNA, they would not manufacture said spike proteins.

Simon
Reply to  icisil
July 23, 2021 4:46 pm

icisil
Looking forward to hearing what you have to say about your BS graph now?

icisil
Reply to  Simon
July 23, 2021 5:16 pm

The graph is from official data that show beyond a shadow of doubt that more post-vexxine deaths have been reported to VAERS in about 1/2 year than have been reported in 30 years for all vaccines combined. You can’t dispute that, so all you can do is try to cast doubt on their veracity by quoting what the CDC says.

Whatever the CDC says is irrelevant. Data speak for themselves; the CFC’s opinion means nothing. Rare can mean whatever they want it to mean. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine didn’t cause a health problem. From the hundreds of 1st hand accounts of vaccine injuries that I have seen (i.e., people online seeking help from others with the same problems because their doctors don’t know what the hell is going on and don’t know how to help them), I suspect that most are definitely related to the vexxines because the sequelae are all so similar (i.e., blot clots, paralysis, inflammatory conditions, heart attacks, myocarditis, etc).

Simon
Reply to  icisil
July 23, 2021 5:31 pm

“The graph is from official data that show beyond a shadow of doubt that more post-vexxine deaths have been reported to VAERS in about 1/2 year than have been reported in 30 years for all vaccines combined. You can’t dispute that, so all you can do is try to cast doubt on their veracity by quoting what the CDC says.”

Not too sharp are you? It is not rocket science. Any death after the vaccine has to be reported. This vaccine has been administered to the elderly first. Elderly die more often than the rest of us. Death rates in the elderly with the vaccine are at normal rates. Any assertion other than that is crazy anti-vax bull shite. I don’t know how you sleep at night.

icisil
Reply to  Simon
July 23, 2021 6:38 pm

Any death after the vaccine has to be reported.

No, it’s entirely voluntary. It was estimated in a Harvard study that only about 1% of adverse events get reported. A doctor I mentioned earlier said she has seen around 70 adverse reactions and has only reported one to VAERS. So your reasoning doesn’t hold up.

David A
Reply to  Simon
July 23, 2021 8:08 pm

So now the graph is correct? Admit it.
And where did you get the idea that any death after the vaccine must be reported? (not true)

Where are the co-current death rate charts? As far fewer now are dying from COVID, and the flu, death rates should be lower yes? ( After all, the vulnerable elderly was decimated by the wuflu)

Now admit the graphic is correct and tell us how many total vaccines were given in 2019 verses wuflu jabs in 2021?

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TonyG
Reply to  David A
July 24, 2021 9:33 am

Even if “every death must be reported”, there is still a spike in deaths. Handwaving doesn’t make it go away, it just dismisses those deaths as unimportant, and dismisses the sudden change in reporting.

Simon
Reply to  David A
July 24, 2021 6:54 pm

So now the graph is correct? Admit it.”
The graph is a deception of the facts and a poor one at that. It is not a representation of the danger of the vaccine. In fact reading it offers no information except how many people who have had the vaccine have died. May as well have one of how many who have had the vaccine have won the lottery.

David A
Reply to  Simon
July 25, 2021 3:30 am

Simon, you are misrepresenting the graphic. About 4 k vaccinated die daily in the US. About 4 k unvaccinated also die daily. VARS consists of reports of vaccinated people that die from known potential side affects from the vaccines and from conditions which they did not have. Studies have shown it to likely greatly underestimate the negative vaccine caused symptoms.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Simon
July 23, 2021 4:36 pm

Liar.

Simon
Reply to  Carlo, Monte
July 23, 2021 4:43 pm

Please explain… how is quoting straight from the CDC lying?

icisil
Reply to  Simon
July 23, 2021 5:18 pm

Quoting liars makes you a liar.

Simon
Reply to  icisil
July 23, 2021 5:33 pm

So the CDC are liars? Really. That is your fall back. You believe the crazy anti-vax nonsense websites, but the people actually tasked with collecting the data and analysing it are all lying?

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Simon
July 23, 2021 5:50 pm

The CDC should be defunded, not the police.

Simon
Reply to  Carlo, Monte
July 23, 2021 6:15 pm

Whatever…

icisil
Reply to  Simon
July 23, 2021 6:29 pm

No, not all are liars, but the ones at the top are. We need some CDC whistleblowers. You’re probably not aware that they are a private for-profit vaccine corporation. They have something like 50 vaccine patents and make lots of money buying and selling vaccines. Plus they stipulate vaccine schedules. What a racket.

CDC is a Privately Owned Vaccine Company (For Profit)
https://brutalproof.net/2020/10/cdc-is-a-privately-owned-vaccine-company-for-profit/

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Simon
Reply to  icisil
July 23, 2021 7:18 pm

More complete hogwash. The CDC is a Federal agency.
From wikipedia….
The United States Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC or U.S. CDC) is the national public health agency of the United States. It is a United States federal agency,”
And your Robert friend is a well know ding bat anti-vaxer. Truth and him are not friends.

icisil
Reply to  Simon
July 24, 2021 2:39 am

Wikipedia are a bunch of liars.

Simon
Reply to  icisil
July 24, 2021 1:05 pm

The old ‘Fake News”. The get out of jail card for people who can’t think for themselves.

MarkW
Reply to  Simon
July 25, 2021 2:17 pm

And once again, Simon responds to facts that go against his religious convictions with just empty insults.
He is a leftist after all.

CK_
Reply to  icisil
July 23, 2021 6:05 pm

The graph is real (it comes from the CDC itself)- but the CDC is frantically doing it’s best to reduce the number by removing 6,000 “foreign” deaths.
https://www.openvaers.com/covid-data/mortality

America’s Frontline Doctors just filed a lawsuit, which says that at least 45,000 Americans have died due to the COVID vaccines. This is based on a whistleblower who has access to the CDC’s database.

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/americas-frontline-doctors-federal-lawsuit-halt-covid-vaccines-cdc-vaccine-deaths/

https://renz-law.com/45k-whistleblower-suit

Another group has independently come up with 40,000 American deaths:
https://trialsitenews.com/vaccine-truth-cdc/

https://trialsitenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/Vaccine-safety-FAQ-1.pdf

By the way, this could be very related to climate change. The conspiracy theorists say the vaccines are meant to depopulate (and especially sterilize) the masses in order to “save” the world from global warming. Even non-conspiracy theorists warn that the “spike protein” in the vaccines can damage eggs and the ovaries of women. There have been numerous reports of serious adverse effects and deaths- but they’ve all been ruthlessly censored by Big Tech and the Mainstream Media so that the majority of Americans are simply unaware of them. Check out this site if you want a glimpse of this hidden world:

https://dailyexpose.co.uk/

Simon
Reply to  CK_
July 23, 2021 7:19 pm

America’s Frontline Doctors”
More nutters. Weren’t they the ones with the looney woman who said spirits do weird stuff to people. Someone Emanual. Do you people have no filter for crazy?

Marilyn Reed
July 23, 2021 5:59 am

What about the danger in the parent not knowing their child was vaccinated and then taking them to get them vaccinated? This is unconscionable….& tyrannical

Reply to  Marilyn Reed
July 23, 2021 8:22 am

Or the teachers don’t know tht these childs may already had a jab ?

MarkW
July 23, 2021 6:05 am

This is just another example of how leftists are trying to make sure that only the state gets to decide what your kids do and learn.
Got to make sure that all the future peons are properly indoctrinated in how to love big brother.

Simon
Reply to  MarkW
July 23, 2021 5:34 pm

This is the state protecting innocent kids from their looney parents. It is called child abuse.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Simon
July 23, 2021 5:50 pm

Achtung Simon Says!

MarkW
Reply to  Simon
July 24, 2021 8:16 am

Once again, Simon declares that anyone who disagrees with a pronouncement of government is loony and should have their kids taken away from them.

What’s next, gulags for those who fail to worship the state properly?

TonyG
Reply to  MarkW
July 24, 2021 9:11 am

This argument “it’s PROTECTING children” all fall totally flat – because there are already mechanisms in place for doing that in real cases of danger. But this crowd doesn’t care about parents or individual rights.

Simon
Reply to  MarkW
July 24, 2021 1:04 pm

I suppose you think parents have the right to beat their children too Mark?

MarkW
Reply to  Simon
July 25, 2021 2:19 pm

Speaking of non-sequitors, here comes Simon, the master of them.

Are you now trying to claim that anyone who disagrees with the government is a potential child abuser?
Or are just getting more and more desperate as your lies get exposed?

TonyG
Reply to  Simon
July 24, 2021 9:09 am

Simon, what else should 11 year old children be allowed to consent to?

MarkW
Reply to  TonyG
July 25, 2021 2:20 pm

They should be allowed to consent to anything the government wants done to them.
After all, everyone who works for the government is an expert and must never be questioned.

V. Dominique
July 23, 2021 6:07 am

Still think this is all about a virus?

griff
Reply to  V. Dominique
July 23, 2021 8:21 am

Yes.

It certainly isn’t about ‘imposing control’, depopulation, inserting microchips, any great reset, the NWO, leftists, lizard people etc

Tony
Reply to  griff
July 23, 2021 8:54 am

Yes it is,another worthless comment from you.

MarkW
Reply to  griff
July 23, 2021 9:02 am

Taking control of children away from parents isn’t about control?
Really?

It’s always been you leftists who have been in favor of depopulation. Even to the point of killing millions.

The rest of that nonsense is just you fantasizing.

Tom in Florida
Reply to  griff
July 23, 2021 1:26 pm

Griff is the poster child for being a brainwashed lemming.

whiten
Reply to  Tom in Florida
July 23, 2021 2:03 pm

griff is a poster ‘child’ ,
of an insurance policy.

When and where that insurance policy, in the end of the day subjects all ‘griffs’ of this world, to sexual slavery… in the end of the day…
regardless of sex or gender… or the latter day epiphany of ‘griffs’ of this world.

Technically, griff is a sex toy… by the very means of the insurance policy that griff has signed …
at some earlier time in the griff’s life.

Please, show me, my wrong in this one, griff!

You definitely know better than me about you.

cheers

MarkW
Reply to  Tom in Florida
July 23, 2021 2:04 pm

I think half his brain disappeared in the dryer.

Reply to  griff
July 23, 2021 2:04 pm

Idiot, sorry, has to be said

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Krishna Gans
July 23, 2021 4:38 pm

Indeed. I don’t revel in using “Izaak the Idiot” but it is quite apt.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  griff
July 23, 2021 3:40 pm

The microchips are coming. Was trialled by A reading Prof. in the UK in the 90’s, not for this situation. And being trialled in Sweden, right now, for another experiment mainly focused around access to buildings and cashless purchases.

Chips for health status are coming, just like for pets.

MarkW
Reply to  Patrick MJD
July 23, 2021 8:37 pm

When I was in school, I would have given just about anything for an advanced math co-processor.

2hotel9
July 23, 2021 6:18 am

So, schools can not give your child an aspirin but they can inject experimental RNA replication solution.

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Simon
Reply to  2hotel9
July 25, 2021 1:08 pm

It’s a simple concept really. An aspirin wont save the child’s life or the lives of others.

2hotel9
Reply to  Simon
July 26, 2021 11:22 am

Ah, poor simple, mommy not hug you enough? Hate children cause they point and laugh at you? Poor little simple, whatever will it do?

niceguy
July 23, 2021 7:08 am

Isn’t that insurrection against both parental rights, and client rights?

Coach Springer
July 23, 2021 7:34 am

WTH is “allowing” 11 year-old children to “acquire vaccines”.? Anything like acquiring chemical sex changes at the same age?.

Pat from Kerbob
July 23, 2021 8:04 am

Similar was something the former NDP/communist government tried to slip thru here in Alberta, a law stating that if a kid wants to join what they call GLAD’s (gay/lesbian alliance) groups in their school, the teachers were specifically ordered to not inform parents.

While i don’t care what orientation my kinds end up as, i will support them, i absolutely opposed this law as infringing on my right to know.

As of today, approximately zero kids have been offed by their parents for admitting to joining such groups, which was the stated purpose of the law as proposed.

If its the left, its BS

MarkW
Reply to  Pat from Kerbob
July 23, 2021 9:03 am

Leftists are convinced to the core that those who disagree with them are evil to the core.

Abolition Man
July 23, 2021 8:13 am

Eric,
Thanks for bringing this to our attention! Hopefully parents around the country will start standing up against this dangerous vexxine that is more likely to kill their children than the ChiCom virus itself!
For those of you that agree with this policy, I have come up with a mantra for your relaxation. Every day, take five minutes to look at yourself in the mirror and repeat the lines; “I am a good Nazi! My rulers like me because I am obedient, subservient and stupid…”

sendergreen
July 23, 2021 8:52 am

If the court rules that the measure was unlawful, and done without authority, was every vaccine given not an assault ? A civil assault tort at the least ? Where does the “Health Department/Ministry” level of authority for medical treatment rest in the strangely constituted “District” ? The Council’s instructions to withhold notice to parents should have set alarms off with the insurers? And could signal to a Court that that instruction clearly shows the Council knew they were doing something wrong. The presence of a strong independent media is supposed to catch this kind of legislation in open session even at the municipal level. What did the three councillors who voted against the change do after the vote ?

niceguy
Reply to  sendergreen
July 23, 2021 1:23 pm

Isn’t it tortious interference?

MarkW
July 23, 2021 9:07 am

These are the same people who in order to eliminate racism, want to teach kids that all minorities are victims and all whites are oppressors.

Andy Pattullo
July 23, 2021 9:19 am

As a physician, if I did this I would expect to be disciplined by my college, possibly sued by parents, and would personally lose confidence in my own judgment and my commitment to the wellbeing and autonomy of my patients. CoVID vaccines may well be very effective at preventing infection, illness and death from the virus, though our understanding is still early days. They are not approved in the sense of having met every regulatory requirement for proof of efficacy and safety. They are being used under emergency approval only and should be considered experimental.

Everyone who receives the vaccine (I have had two shots myself) needs to be fully informed of the risks and benefits, made aware that they are not yet fully approved, and provide fully informed consent before receiving the shot. 11 year olds are not in a position to provide informed consent for a research procedure and their parents or guardians must be involved in the decision.

n.n
Reply to  Andy Pattullo
July 23, 2021 1:12 pm

Yes, vaccines are part of a risk management protocol, and people should critically review the available facts, weight the benefits, and, whether it is a vaccine, a therapeutic treatment, or behavioral change, decide how to minimize their individual risk.

icisil
July 23, 2021 9:51 am

When you hear 99% of those who are hospitalized or die are not vaccinated, know this is one of the tricks they’re playing: not fully vaccinated (i.e., received 1st, but not 2nd ClotShot) = not vaccinated.

Thread…

https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1418553854476627970

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David A
Reply to  icisil
July 23, 2021 4:22 pm

It’s worse then that. The fully vaccinated are getting the wuflu very rapidly. And many are suffering.
https://t.co/rKBfm91l3x?amp=1

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  icisil
July 23, 2021 4:42 pm

Also, the CDC intentionally no longer tracks infection cases in “fully vaccinated”, thus 99% of all new cases are “unvaccinated.” New Speak at its perfection.

David A
Reply to  Carlo, Monte
July 23, 2021 8:15 pm

… and cut way down on testing of the vaccinated.

Pat from kerbob
July 23, 2021 9:56 am

And.

There is no difference in this and in giving gender changing drug treatments to prepubescent kids who express confusion

Stevek
July 23, 2021 11:15 am

Even worse some places trying to forced sex change operations on 5 year olds with no parental consent. If some crazy school psychologist decides that the sex change operation will take place then parents cannot stop it.

n.n
Reply to  Stevek
July 23, 2021 1:08 pm

They cannot change an individual’s sex, but they can simulate the opposite gender: masculine, feminine (i.e. physical and mental sex-correlated attributes) through transgender (e.g. homosexual, neogender, quasigender) conversion therapy, including surgical, medical, psychiatric, popular corruption. It’s all very politically congruent (“=”).

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July 23, 2021 11:58 am

The parents have a slam-dunk winning case in the courts. Not even a question. But then chalk it up to Democrats simply being Democrat authoritarians on the DC Council. They think they know what’s best for every one else, including their money and now their children.

n.n
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
July 23, 2021 1:04 pm

Democrats are by religious (e.g. moral, ethical, quasi-legal) conviction prone to normalize wicked solutions to what they purport are hard problems. That said, the secular incentives are attractive. Consumer beware.

David A
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
July 23, 2021 4:24 pm

Beware of DC judges.

July 23, 2021 12:12 pm

11 year olds are not getting vaccinated, because the schools are certainly following the rules to only give vaccines to children of ages that the vaccines are approved for, which is 12 years old and older. Also, I think that a 12 year old can give consent to a beneficial medical treatment that is being withheld by parents on basis of religion; there is past precedence in the courts for children to get medical treatments that parents deny their children on religious grounds.

n.n
Reply to  Donald L. Klipstein
July 23, 2021 1:01 pm

The negative religious (e.g. “moral”, “ethical”) attribution is a pejorative in modern use and a straw clown that is commonly deployed in modern apologies. The issue is risk management; affordable,available, effect treatments; the lack of well-established risk profiles (i.e. commonly 10 years or more for vaccines), are associated with excess adverse events including progressive viability (i.e. death). People are understandably critical when the majority of the population is either immune or otherwise resistant to infection and disease progression, and the risk of emergency use treatments exceeds the risk of the disease. Also, there is evidence that the vaccines misdirect the immune system to reduce broad-based immunity acquired through conventional means. There are diverse reasons to avoid these vaccines in the general population, and people pushing them need to be recognized and held accountable.

MarkW
Reply to  Donald L. Klipstein
July 23, 2021 2:06 pm

Translation: I think kids should be allowed to ignore their parents wishes, so long as it increases state power.

Reply to  Donald L. Klipstein
July 23, 2021 2:14 pm

You didn’t follow the links given in the article ?

Michael
July 23, 2021 2:04 pm

What of the risk of anaphylaxis in administering a vaccine without medical history? What happens if the child refuses consent? I thought the vaccine was only authorized for use by ages 12+. This is absolutely abhorrent.

Patrick MJD
July 23, 2021 3:02 pm

Here in Australia, the Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA) has just approved the Pfizer vaccine for children between 12 – 15 years of age. I am hoping parents refuse to allow their children to be “vaxed” without their permission, ie, when at school.

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John Boland
July 23, 2021 4:41 pm

50 years from now the headline will read “OUTRAGE! Government secretly gave experimental vaccine to minority students in DC without parental consent” and then blame the white man.

Carlo, Monte
July 23, 2021 4:45 pm

Something else that is swept under the rug: miscarriages caused by the gene treatments. The number is huge.

David A
Reply to  Carlo, Monte
July 25, 2021 3:44 am

I remember a report of a very high number of miscarriages in the first or second trimester. I Don’t know where it was from.

July 24, 2021 1:03 pm

….when all is said and done, when as much of the truth that can be discovered arrives at humanity’s consciousness….when the real death toll is known….I don’t think the word “rare” will apply. In this context, I think the word “rare” is immoral to begin with, regardless of your mathematical rationalizations. If it was you, your child or loved one…rare wouldn’t cover it.

David A
Reply to  RJ O'Guillory
July 25, 2021 3:49 am

How so? 100 percent of us die. In life one must make choices, and knowing the chances of negative outcomes is necessary for wise discrimination.
Wuflu deaths or harms are very rare in children.
Vaccine deaths or harms may be very rare in children.
Choices required.

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