Guest essay by Eric Worrall
Rev. Dr Peter Walker, Principal of United Theological College, thinks emitting industrial CO2 is sinful. But Jesus told us we must take care of the poor – and there is no greater tool for alleviating poverty than industrialisation and economic development.
RESURRECTING SIN TO ADDRESS CLIMATE CHANGE
Recent infernos in California and floods in Germany remind us that climate change is a global drama which may end in utter tragedy for the whole creation if we do not act. Just as when a finger bumps a spinning top from its perfect rhythm, and the rotating toy then teeters out-of-balance before finding a new equilibrium or collapsing, the Earth System has been bumped out of balance. And not by accident, but by a willing, decision-making species. That’s us. Earth System Science tells us this planet is finely tuned, yet one species has been serving its own needs to such an extent that the cost to everything else has become intolerable. And it is showing.
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As strange as the language of Christian theology may seem in the public square today, the human-induced climate emergency, brought about by our selfish abuse of the planet, surely requires a resurrection of the language of sin. There was speculation in early 2020 that Pope Francis might name humanity’s abuse of the Earth as sinful in his statement on the plight of the Amazon. He did not. In Querida Amazonia (Beloved Amazon), Pope Francis did denounce the unrestrained industrial destruction, saying “The businesses, national or international, which harm the Amazon and fail to respect the right of the original peoples to the land and its boundaries, and to self-determination and prior consent, should be called for what they are: injustice and crime.” That language of “injustice and crime” is powerful, yet it is not the most inherently powerful language available to Christian leaders.
The abuse of the Earth is a sin. The climate emergency has come about because of our sinfulness. It is a sign, and may prove the most telling of all signs, of our universal gone-wrongness, and of the fact that humanity has turned in upon itself. Calling people to prayer for the planet without naming the sin that makes those prayers and global action to save the planet essential is a profound moral and theological failure.
Rev. Dr Peter Walker, Principal of United Theological College
Read more: https://www.insights.uca.org.au/resurrecting-sin-to-address-climate-change/
What about the sin of denying food and clothing to the poor?
Matthew 25:34-36 tells us “Then the king will say to those at his right hand, ‘Come, you that are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world; for I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, I was naked and you gave me clothing, I was sick and you took care of me, I was in prison and you visited me.’”
What will the King say to those whom, however well meaning, would rip away today’s abundance of food, clothing and medicine?
Dr Walker, I have no doubt you mean well. But seeking to tear down the keystone of our age of abundance is a direct attack on the reliable supply of food, clothing and clean water to the poor. How do you reconcile your attack on our age of industrial abundance with the Gospel of Matthew?
Only cheap energy and industrial civilisation can deliver the abundance we all too often take for granted, the abundance which has fed and clothed more poor people, and healed more sick people, than anything mankind has ever previously attempted.
This reminds me of Jerry Falwell blaming Hurricane Katrina on New Orlean’s
sinfulness.
Yeah, I wonder what sins the dinosaurs committed to have God toss the Chicxulub meteor at them 66 million years ago. Or was God being sinful for doing the horrible damage to the planet that created the mass extinctions of that period?
God probably just felt like smiting something.
Not to mention the current “Branch COVIDIANS” who are wheeling out the “its their fault” brimstone and fire condemnation when it comes to sick people they don’t like – much like Falwell et. al., did concerning HIV…
To Rev. Dr Peter Walker, Principal of United Theological College.
God wants you to take a science course, and to stop being a leaping, gaping, flaming imbecile.
Relax Reverend….Bezos will relocate heavy indusry to space…no more industrial CO2 – problemo solved…you are welcome….space solves everything according to Lord Bezos.
What’s especially funny is that the establishments on Bourbon Street were on some of the highest ground and were mostly unharmed.
Every heritic has his verse. (In Dutch: “Elke ketter heeft zijn letter”)
This is racist….all of the increase in CO2 has come from China and the developing world
What about the Climate Liars’ grave sin of LYING, to the detriment of humanity and nature as well?
Good point, Mr. Cobb.
2 thoughts:
1) Don’t dignify this ignorant nonsense with a response.
2) Given, we are responding to it:
The “climate emergency” has, indeed, arisen out of human sin, for it is a lie driven by greed.
Janice
I fully agree and further assert that ordering our lives around a lie is the opposite of allowing the truth to set us free. Living the lie will bring oppression and subjugation. It is extremely difficult to get information to those like Dr, Walker when we are shut off at every turn and Katharine Hayhoe is givin center stage wherever she goes.
It’s because nonsense like this has been allowed to spew forth for decades without a smackdown that we’re at the tipping point of ridiculous carbon taxes, natural gas restrictions, net-zero ‘final solutions’, etc.
It’s a wicked solution, a socially justified solution as is their convention, to what they purport is a hard problem. A Twilight faith, a Pro-Choice (e.g. “ethical”) religion, a politically congruent (“=”) ideology. Cognitive dissonance avoided.
So, are they cancelling pride parades?
Yes, lions, lionesses, and their [unPlanned] cubs playing in gay revelry have been deemed antiso[cial], a bitter example, a deplorable reminder.
He uses fossil fuels every day, what a HYPOCRITE!
Sinfulness, yes. A conflation of logical domains and sociopolitical climate emergency.
“I have no doubt you mean well”
I am less and less convinced of that (esp. as it applies to politicians and the MSM) the longer this climate change insanity goes on.
God gave a religion to order behavior, advised a separation of logical domains.. The gods and goddesses are laughing, scheming, playing to occupy their time. The mortal gods and goddesses are counting their greenbacks in gay revelry, take a knee, beg, good boy, girl, whatever.
Mother Nature, known as Gaia to the Romans of Mithra persuasion, has a habit of reminding entire nations what happens when infrastructure is not maintained and improved after ample previous events.
The Pope wrote, text from ex-PIK boss Dr. John Schellnhuber CBE, a paean to Gaia, Laudato Si. Whether the above pastor ever heard of this is a question.
Maybe the Pastor needs to re-read Genesis –
https://biblehub.com/genesis/1-28.htm
See :
¨God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”
Dams, canals, irrigation, hydroelectric, roads, rail, even ships, barges, all need maintenance. True, the Bible does not illustrate a maintenance contract, but hey, that we can handle!
And beware snakes offering apples.
Or politicians promising “deliverance” from our “climate sins” in return for our money and our freedom.
Lots of Christians seem to forget that Adam’s first job was to tend the Garden. Even Eden needed human intervention & supervision to reach full potential.
I am a Christian and someone who first studied the physics of climate in the 1970s. I am disgusted by the position of the Church of England on this matter too. The Archbishop appointed Bishop of the Climate Crises. I have tried to engage with him, he has a degree in ecology (very useful) and just won’t discuss the matter. This scam harms the poor and anyway they seem to have forgotten Genesis 8:22.
Someone needs to remind the dear Reverend that throughout the Old Testament God spoke through Moses and others requiring continuous animal sacrifices to atone for man’s sins. Most of the sacrificial animals were burned using firewood as fuel. Burning firewood emits CO2 and, according to the dear Reverend, is a sin. Apparently the Heavenly Father the Padre claims to worship didn’t view the release of CO2 as a sin. He should spend more time studying the Bible and less time opining on what is and is not a sin.
Same here from the Catholic side, with a nuclear engineering degree too. Was on the green bandwagon in the 90s, but then started noticing that the politicians and greens didn’t give a damn about the people or even the effectiveness of their proposed solutions, solutions to a problem that I eventually found out didn’t exist.
Seriously embarassed by Laudato Si and frankly Pope Francis too. Miss His Holiness Pope Emeritus Benedict and JP2 immensely.
The whole situation in the world, politically speaking, can’t be sustainable if people going around believing in a lie, can it? While the world could still be explored believing in geocentricity, and we could still land on the moon using Newton instead of Einstein, at least those ideas worked in their own frame of reference. Solar would only make sense in space and one would have to make flying turbines that could harness the jet stream to make a go of wind.
How dare you!
Jesus wants you to live in darkness and cold to absolve yourself of sin. All clergy teach this, even Rev. Biden.
Rev Biden and his demrat flock are not doing as they preach….why Hunter Biden alone has a laptop of sin.
Christ was cooking over a charcoal fire after the Resurrection. No problem with burning. I think He would have a problem with the dangerous epoxies and glass fibres that wind turbines are made of. Actually, as long as we do the best we can to balance all the pluses and minuses and not hurt anyone, including ourselves, we’d be ok with the Big Guy. Wasting subsidies on turbines and panels and rich people’s electric luxury sport sedans wouldn’t fit the bill. Children mining lithium doesn’t quite fit the bill for “suffer the children”.
“Children mining lithium doesn’t quite fit the bill for “suffer the children”. ”
A large number of church members & pedo-priests take “suffer the children” as the 1st commandment.
The road to hell is not paved with asphalt; it is paved with good intentions.
According to Terry Pratchet, it’s actually paved with frozen used car salesmen, and the imps go skating on it at the weekend.
I heard the same crap from Sir John Theodore Houghton CBE FRS FLSW to give him his full overblown title.
Same message, same bollox, same belief that nobody else but he could be right.
Sadly Houghton influenced a whole crowd more idiots who jumped on the same bandwagon, one of which called Margaret (with later regrets and recanting used it to lynch the UK coal & steel industry, so they could import the stuff with a “clean” conscience from places which has less HSE interference ).
Houghton’s stupidity and passions are well documented, but nobody has taken his nonsense to pieces and shown how devastatating his legacy has been to the UK and western economies in favour of subcontracting it all to CHINA.
pigs_in_space,
I agree with your assessment of the influence of Sir John Houghton.
However there is one undoubted contribution he has made to the climate debate,perhaps unintentionally.
Chapter 10 of James Hansen’s “Storms of my Grandchildren” is ‘The Venus Syndrome’ in which he gives a highly inaccurate historical comparison of the origins and states of the Earth and Venus and concludes-
“So Venus had a runaway greenhouse effect.Could Earth?
Of course we know that it could.The question is,rather,how much must carbon dioxide(or some other climate forcing) increase before a runaway effect occurs.”
After discussing modelling (which he says ‘we should treat with skepticism’(!)) he concludes,
“..the forcings needed to reach …runaway greenhouse conditions are no more than 10 to 20 watts per square metre when solar irradiance or carbon dioxide change are defined as the forcing.”
Sir John Houghton in “Global Warming:The Complete Briefing” (Fifth Edition) at Chapter 2,under the ‘runaway greenhouse effect’,contradicts Hansen entirely on the respective initial conditions on Earth and Venus and concludes-
“There is no possibility of such runaway greenhouse conditions occurring on Earth”.
Probably at the top of the list helping after Hurricane Harvey were churches, both local and far away. At the bottom of the list was government with an important exception, and no surprise the exception wasn’t FEMA which spent money carelessly. This was obviously predictable as we have made ‘respectable’ the corner preachers with the signs–“The End is Near.” I suppose it did take a few people off the street, but this outfit seems suspect.
Sorry, Preach. The “woke” don’t believe in God. You won’t draw them in with that sermon. 😏
An excellent example of why our founders separated church and state. Theology has no place in secular government, whether conventional religion or the pagan Climate Cult.
Historically, the US has not had a secular government. Look at the first freedom guaranteed in the Bill of Rights. Or this from the Declaration: “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created (!) equal, that they are endowed by their Creator (!) with certain unalienable rights…”
Seems to me Deists such as Paine & Jefferson draw quite a distinction between a creator & “religion”.
Yikes. I always ask these people exactly what did God sound like and what exactly did he say to you? How did He put it, exactly? Did he say anything about false prophets?
The god-experience is always someone else’s.
Walker would describe himself as a Christian theologian. He quotes Reinhold Niebuhr, Martin Luther King Jr and Pope Francis yet he does not mention Jesus even once.
Walker conveniently ignores the extraordinary teaching of the Christian Scriptures on the sovereignty and providence of God including the words of Jesus: “Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust.” (Matthew 5:44-45) (my emphasis). Even Pope Francis distorted by selectively quoting from these verses (encyclical Laudato Si’).
Jesus knew the Old Testament passages on God’s providence including:
He (The Lord God) covers the sky with clouds;
he supplies the earth with rain
and makes grass grow on the hills.
He provides food for the cattle
and for the young ravens when they call. (Psalm 147:8-9)
Jesus’ teachings show there are two options: being a fearful climate alarmist or believing in the God of providence. For a Christian only one is possible.
Postscript: By examining the whole parable of the sheep and goats in Mat 25 closely, not just selective verses, Jesus was not teaching what many would like to read into the passage.
Yeah…. “Uniting.” Right. Uniting what? The Unitarians, for one “unity” group, reject Jesus’ claims about himself, apparently simply pretending that they have addressed the Liar — Lunatic — Lord (C. S. Lewis) issue.
To add another on point Bible reference (one both Jews and Christians believe) to your fine essay:
“As long as the earth endures,
seedtime and harvest,
cold and heat,
summer and winter,
day and night
will
never
cease.”
Genesis 8:22
Janice, the verse you quoted makes an astonishing claim shared by orthodox (small letter) Jew and orthodox Christian. Neither can reconcile belief in a sovereign Creator and simultaneously live in fear of a climate catastrophe. However, there are also some agnostics and atheists who do not buy into the current climate alarmism because of other reasons namely that they see logical flaws in the prevalent narrative.
Both the Old and New Testament giving us numerous insights into ancient problems with various weather conditions and how people adapted. There are references to the ancient Jews digging cisterns to store water, of Joseph encouraging storing surplus wheat in the good years for the dry years, of the people moving their herds because of drought, of understanding that houses need to be built on secure foundations not where flooding was prone.
To add to that thought, I examined the college website and saw lots of “god” words and Bibly/Christiany words, but no clear statement of faith and belief. It appears that this man and his church school are founded on modern liberal theology. Secular, humanist beliefs shrouded in a skin of religiosity:
“But realize this, that in the last days difficult times will come. 2 For people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, slanderers, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 unloving, irreconcilable, malicious gossips, without self-control, brutal, haters of good, 4 treacherous, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5 holding to a form of godliness although they have denied its power; avoid such people as these.” (2 Timothy 3:1-5)
Flash: accurate observation. Disgusting.
Edit: For anyone unfamiliar with what the Apostle Paul meant in II Timothy,
note that it is GOOD to love pleasure. Only when a pleasure is also a sin, e.g., drunkenness versus merely enjoying alcohol in moderation.
That man needs the stupid burned from his mind.
The stupid have always been out there, but now they are running the show.
During centuries of Old Testament history, God asked for animal sacrifices (burnt offerings) as sin offerings, which were offered on wood fires. Burning wood releases CO2 into the atmosphere, whether or not the carcass of a sacrificed animal is on top. Were all those devout Jews who offered these sacrifices sinful because they released CO2 into the air, even though God asked them to do it?
In one of his parables, Jesus praises five “wise virgins” who brought extra oil for their lamps to greet a late-coming bridegroom, and criticizes five “foolish virgins” who ran out of oil. Burning that extra oil would have emitted more CO2 into the air, but to Jesus it was more important to light the way for the bridegroom than it was sinful to burn the oil.
In one episode described in the Gospels, between the resurrection and ascension of Jesus, Jesus himself builds a fire to cook fish for some of his disciples along the shores of the Sea of Galilee. Was Jesus himself, the ultimate Redeemer from sin according to the Christian religion, committing a sin by building that CO2-emitting fire to feed his disciples?
Methinks the good Reverend Walker has not read enough Scripture.
That just about wraps it up for god.
The “church” already tried that excuse … https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyXAPG4Xh5M
By crossing from the wouldn’t–it-be-nice world of theology into the real world the gentleman may have layed the foundation of a new discipline: theography.
Ed,
The fool seems to believe he can be both a Christian and a Communist; maybe he admires the Communist currently enthroned in the Vatican!
This is similar to the dilemma of a vegan carnivore; sooner or later you’re going to have to make up your mind!
“resurrection of the language of sin”
These people are blind to irony, and the Gospel.
Rev. Dr Peter Walker has it wrong. It’s the COVID crisis that results from our sinfulness in allowing same-sex marriage. God told me so Himself. By the way He also can’t stand rap music. I’ll be sure and let you all know as soon as He tells me what He plans to visit upon us for that transgression.
Something doesn’t make sense here.
He told me something different; that the Covid was brought on so we would have an impetus to change our social fabric and rebuild better. And that he liked 50 Cent, Jay-Z & even Eminem’s works.
But, we gots a few potential explanations:
God is a Democrat and he is just saying what he thinks people want to hear, so as to build up his power base;
or, maybe I was’t really talking to God … that my info was coming from the devil, posing, trying to get me over to his side.
“my info was coming from the devil, posing, trying to get me over to his side.”
What you say is correct but not for the reasons you may think. A devil cannot exist under an all powerful god without the approval of the god. Ergo, the devil is an agent of the god who is tasked with constantly tempting humans to see if they adhere to the god’s laws. If humans do, then they get their just rewards, if they don’t….well…… no sense saying god help them.
I partly agree, Tom, but, I would say that, when Satan rebelled and took 1/3 of the angels with him, he became an independent contractor. No agency, no respondeat superior.
That an omnipotent God allows a being to use its free will does not make God liable for its actions.
And, it will only go on for so long. God has already set a day — nearer every minute — when Satan will be done.
Thus, the Father of Lies is furiously doing his level best to deceive, to help those mired in greed to wallow in it forever, for he knows. No one, not even he, knows that day or that hour, but, he knows that his time is short.
And he knows that for every soul, the time spent on earth is, no matter when The End comes, very brief. Thus, his most clever deception, one that has no doubt won him many a soul:
“Wait awhile.” (C. S. Lewis)
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(still praying for you, Tom, and for many others around this place, too)
Hi Janice,
I appreciate your words but disagree. However, this is not the forum to get into a lengthy religious discussion so I will move on.
Hi, Tom,
I know.
🙂
I am not all powerful, and even I could fairly easily do away with all sorts of yucky stuff (spiders, rats, vagrants, meth-heads, patchouli hippies, nutria, people that have the bicycle license plate on their cars, etc.). Since I am not all powerful I couldn’t get rid of all of the yuck, but I could put a big dent in the local population. But I don’t; But that doesn’t mean that they all have my approval.
You assume (devil) existence is a defacto approval of One that has the ability to control said existence. I don’t think it is.
Since I was created in Gods image, I assume that he has the same thought processes as me, and therefore I can speak for him (as can the good Rev Dr Walker).
All that aside, my main point, that Dems and their ilk are analogous the yuck that your run-of-the-mill devil would want on his side, stands.
Look at the graph of the earth’s temperature over the last 450,000 years Link. The temperature ranged from +3C to -8C. Then tell me when was the climate not changing. Also there are 4 previous interglacial warm periods during that time. All of them were as warm as anything we are seeing today. .All of them happened more that 100,000 years ago. Did mankind cause any of them? No man could not have caused any of them including the most recent from 20,000 to 10,000 years ago. So why is then that the current increase in temperature of 1C in 100 years could only be caused by man?
I guess “sinfulness” will do if you haven’t got a clue.
The climate change is a hoax created to take rights away and collapse economies so they can bring in a One World Government. Its designed to enslave us just like Covid
It’s like the U.K.’ s Synod of the Church of England which wants to disinvest in fossil fuels instead of exercising a Christian motivation in supporting electricity supply to benighted peoples. Ignorant arts or theology graduates. And closed our churches during the pandemic. Wet. They were open during the Black Death 1348.
Methodist apostate. Nothing surprising here.
What ever happened to the good old days when religious types promoted the notion that Man should have “dominion” over the earth and its creatures?
The more interesting question might be how are leftists, who adore poking fun at religion and its promoters, going to deal with this? If they poke fun at it, they undermine their pet propaganda; if they ignore it, they have religious types that they have laid endless derision on for years, spouting “climate” crap, which makes it sound so much more like…a religion. How delicious!
Dear Reverend Walker
Please open your bible to Jeremiah 23:30–32.
I think he is talking about you,
He is as good as any climate scientist..
Rev. Dr. Walker almost has it right. In truth, God (as Mother Nature who works as a GOF researcher in Wuhan) is smiting us with CoViD for our multitude of environmental sins.
Right. Every time another human enters this mortal coil, it’s a punishment from God.
Sarcasm missed…
Katharine Hayhoe, the TexasTech political scientist, frequently also does this melding of Christianity with her pagan climate schtick as well.
The late Dr.Michael Crichton understood this phenomenon well. His ability to communicate to average People about Climate Paganism scared the bejeezers out of the Climate Scammers.
I agree with virtually all of what Mr. Crichton says there, but am somewhat disappointed at his invoking “fundamentalist” religions;
fundamentalist – NOUN
This is not even possible with a Book that OBVIOUSLY uses non-literal forms of speech of a wide array of kinds and styles throughout. And can therefore only signify the “accuser” is not happy with how this or that particular passage/language has been is interpreted by someone else. It’s bullshit, simply put . . (not literally though ; )
The purpose of God sacrificing His Son was as a ransom for many. Our task is just to tell people that, not to point out their sins.
Where we can we turn from wrongs in response to the love God has shown in taking our punishment, not in response to criticism from the pulpit.
God knew what would happen to the Earth when He made it. He knew the evil one would try to destroy mankind. The climate saga has become the perfect religion to set man against his neighbour, yet without proof that there is any issue. This ignorant church leader is representation of Jesus at its worst. Our sin is rejecting God’s Grace is Jesus.
Let’s be thankful that we are forgiven.
Prof John Houghton was also a church leader, and therein lies the problem.
Not only did he claim to know it all, –
(was co-chair of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change’s (IPCC) scientific assessment working group which shared the Nobel Peace Prize in 2007 with Al Gore+He was the lead editor of first three IPCC reports…) whose main aim was to mislead millions of people…
but then set about making up a lobby group for his idiotic views….
president of the John Ray Initiative, an organisation “connecting Environment, Science and Christianity“, where he has compared the stewardship of the Earth, to the stewardship of the Garden of Eden by Adam and Eve.
He was a founding member of the International Society for Science and Religion.
quote
“If we want a good environmental policy in the future we’ll have to have a disaster. It’s like safety on public transport.
The only way humans will act is if there’s been an accident.”
NICE GUY eh?
Excuses all the dead in the German floods that does…(NOT!)
The only emergency is that we get these stupid or greedy policy makers out of office,
“Calling people to prayer for the planet without naming the sin that makes those prayers and global action to save the planet essential is a profound moral and theological failure”.
I notice that the supposed “sin” of making use of the abundant fuels God Himself provided us, and thus adding some plant food gas to the atmosphere, is not actually named here . . (There’s always a “tell”, it seem to me ; )
This of course would be a trickster God, who intentionally set a catastrophe trap for his kids . . Nothing new, I recognize him;
“And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.”
The people in the garden bit (so to speak ; ) and imagined God was lying to them, and thus depriving them of something wonderful, through His deception. They separated themselves from Him (psychologically) . . and the rest is history ; )
(But what could it be? This wonderful thing they were being told not to partake of, lest they die? Let’s examine the evidence, carefully;
“And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food…”
Hmm, “saw” that the tree was good for food? How could she see that?
“… and that it was pleasant to the eyes”
Why hadn’t she noticed that already, if it’s “in the midst of the garden”?
“…and a tree to be desired to make one wise”
She “saw” that?? . . Such a thing would not be visible to the physical eye . . but only to the mind’s eye . .
“… she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.”
I conclude; It’s believing that one’s own imagination is trustworthy for determining what is beneficial and what is harmful to oneself, which the people were Warned about. The “tree of the knowledge of good and evil” was in the midst of the garden, because they were in the midst of the garden.)
Hmmm. My reading is that climate propaganda has come about because of progressive fascism.
I grew up in the church, was an “altar server” – sometimes went to church 7 days a week doing 7:15am mass and then straight to school. If there were funerals or weddings sometimes twice a day. As an adult in church attending with my own family we had a special guest bishop who decided to tell the congregation which party to vote for in an upcoming election based on “values”. Never been back since in at least 20 years.
In other words you grew up ~20 yrs ago … welcome
Post-Enlightenment = pre-Enlightenment.
The Ouroboros. Yes, we do a lot of that around here.
I wonder how many times the Rev has actually read the entire Bible. I am willing to bet that if someone read the Bible once, it would still be more than this so called Reverend did.
If you bother to read the Gospels, one thing you should notice is that Jesus never told people to do anything he didn’t first do himself. He told people to preach, he spent several years doing that himself. (A careful study of the Gospels shows it was 3 1/2 years.) Jesus told people to live a simple life, he did so himself. He told people to love their neighbor, he showed love even to people that were hated. The Pharisees and Sadducees essentially viewed the common people as deplorable. He told people to sacrifice their life for their neighbor, which the Good Samaritan parable shows means anybody. Jesus did not cower and gave up his life.
Here is my point: Politicians and many of the elite always tell you to make sacrifices. They never ever have to make sacrifices. Always you. The elite can include church leaders, Jeff Bezos, Big Pharma, and so on. “You need to pay more taxes, not me. You need to wear a mask, not me. You need to lockdown, not me.” And so on. Well, Rev … You first. Follow the example of the Lord and you make the sacrifices first. Don’t ask me to do something you won’t do yourself first.
And finally, always remember that Jesus kept out of politics. When people wanted to make him a king, he hid. When the people asked him about taxes, he said ‘render unto Caesar, but God’s things to God’. (Or something like that.) If only all religions today followed Jesus’s example and would keep out of politics.
“‘render unto Caesar, but God’s things to God’.”
I was taught long ago that you only have to take your money and throw it up into the air. God will take what is God’s and let your share drop back down to the ground. Works really well.
Very good point Wade – there is lots of fossil fuel goodness on display in Rev Walker’s office.
Maybe we need to define what is bad or good about increasing CO2. The principals could be the rich, the poor, and planets life forms.
The planets life forms are not impacted by sea level rise. They only care about temperature if the equatorial temperature rise to the point of making that area uninhabitable. Even with a tripling of CO2 the equator does not become uninhabitable. It warms but is not catastrophic warming. A 3 degree C warming does not make the equator uninhabitable. But the tripling of CO2 vastly increases the bio mass of the earth. Currently the planet is starved for CO2. Greenhouse owners will provide their plants with increased CO2. From the planets point of view this is a good thing.
Extreme weather can be designed around if you don’t impoverish yourselves with renewable energy. The only thing that seems to impact people is rising sea levels. And rising sea levels do not impact nature.
When sea level rises because of rising CO2 the poor will just move to higher ground. With improving life style they will be able to afford climate mitigation like stronger structure to deal with extreme weather and air conditioning.
When sea levels rise the rich like Obama will have their sea shore properties flooded. This is probably why they advocate policies that impoverish the poor and hurt nature.
when /if ? “sea level rises because of rising CO2”
what on earth makes you claim this rubbish???
Sea levels have never risen because of CO2.
Co2 usually rises after warming, not CAUSING warming,
so sea levels rising may cause CO2 levels to rise, not the other way around.
Once upon a time the whole of oxfordshire and gloucestershire were shallow tropical oceans as the fossils show, so who cares about sea levels and CO2 anyhow when they have been much higher or frozen solid before?
Surely god can just sort it out again with another big flood.
Genesis 9:13-16.
13 I have set my rainbow in the clouds, and it will be the sign of the covenant between me and the earth. 14 Whenever I bring clouds over the earth and the rainbow appears in the clouds, 15 I will remember my covenant between me and you and all living creatures of every kind. Never again will the waters become a flood to destroy all life. 16 Whenever the rainbow appears in the clouds, I will see it and remember the everlasting covenant between God and all living creatures of every kind on the earth.”
Fire is our next judgement.
Preacher Joey Biden warns his flock of stupid demrats that the Wrath of a Climate heated Hades will be upon them if they don’t listen and do as he tells them….gonna put y’all back in chains….Jim Crow will descend upon you!
To the ignorant religious extremist and donkey, the DATA shows that the combined USA and the EU 28 co2 emissions are no higher now than 50 years ago.
The increase has come from China and the developing countries and these countries’ emissions will continue to soar into the future. Here’s the Wiki graph since 1970. Please WAKE UP.
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AGAIN Dr Rosling has checked 120,000 data points over the last 200 years and found that humans have moved from POOR and SICK to HEALTHY and WEALTHY and more improvement since 2010.
In 1810 human life expectancy under 40 years but today that life exp is 73. Look at the 5 minute video and the DATA.
When will these donkeys WAKE UP and tell the truth?
God just likes to watch the world burn. Would be nice if God acted like an adult and had a conversation with us instead of just resorting to smiting all the time.
That’s interesting, considering that 96.5% of CO2 comes from natural sources, like volcanoes. Volcanoes must be evil.
Blind leading the blind. It’s getting to the point that climate change True Believers ignore the reality around them and just go with the propaganda, throwing the widows and orphans under the bus. The poor will be affected the most when everything jumps in price from energy costing a lot more.
Big obvious poker tell here. Parishioners have been declining in numbers and the Christian churches are under constant attack and marginalization by designer-brained wokies. The Catholic Church got onside early because the Marxy Sparxy Pope also hoped to revive his church.
The spiritual leaders observed that supporters of climate change tended to get rewarded handsomely and resisters were pilloried, lost their jobs, and no end of misery.
Did they not see the climate meme was a new competitor for ‘useful souls? Perhaps not, but it was a huge movement that they wanted to add to save their religions.
If it is punishment, it’s not for burning carbon fuels, Revelation16:8,9.
8 The fourth angel poured out his bowl upon the sun, and it was given to it to scorch men with fire. 9 Men were scorched with fierce heat; and they blasphemed the name of God who has the power over these plagues, and they did not repent so as to give Him glory.
America has fixed our mistakes of the past, is fixing those occurring now and will be diligent to keep an eye open for future problems. The earth’s ecosystem is not as fragile as claimed. In my opinion only a massive battle using atomic bombs can ruin this earth. Incidents like Chernobyl or Fukushima are destructive locally and remind us to not get sloppy. CO2 is not an issue for the climate.
That glorious combination of fundamentalism paired with stupidity and/or wanton ignorance. Sign of the times sadly
I have a degree in Theology.
(A small one, small enough that I’m thankful it’s not common to add it to end of one’s name. With my tendency toward typos, I’d probably end up saying I was an “Ass. of Theology.)
However, I prefer to strive to be one who, as in Acts 4:13 Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were unlearned and ignorant men, they marvelled; and they took knowledge of them, that they had been with Jesus. KJV
(Yes, I have a long way to go.)
Someone once asked Jesus this question:
Matthew 22:35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,
36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. KJV
No mention of saving the whales or the planet.
PS Here’s a reference to what anyone who supposes to speak for God should be preaching:
Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. KJV
(“to the Jew first, and also to the Greek”? The Jews were the first to hear it. Then the “Gentiles”, the rest of us. Luke 24:46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. KJV)
It’s not the bible I have issues with, it’s the bible bashers!
Ie.
American evangelicalism.
5000 miles wide and 1 inch deep.
Seems to me the Australian version is even shallower!
We have a perfect example of this in a local town in the Baltic states, –
announces opening a “bible college” sponsored with yankee money, for all the empty derelict USSR made buildings to great fanfares, co-opts all local people to clear up the mess and start the project, while renovating flats, then unable to pay the bills, paying the locals peanuts or for free…(nothing like volunteer stuff eh?!)
Runs out of dosh while doing courses to indoctrinate the kids.
What more could you want?
Some of us actually have to WORK to pay the bills, instead of living off other people’s hard earned cash.
It hasn’t been easy, the last 2 years, so reading some sanctimonious pulpit jerks lecturing us all, how to justify Van der LAMER proposals to double my electricity bills goes down really great!
The Bible does speak of wolves in sheep’s’ clothing.
It also speaks of those preaching another gospel which is not really The Gospel.
The Gospel is about Man’s rebellion against God and a Just but Loving God’s solution to the mess Man got himself into, the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
Accept God’s solution, you’re saved by grace (we don’t deserve it). Don’t accept it, you’re not. Your choice.
To preach anything else as a way to God or a work or “our responsibility to the Planet”, is preaching a different gospel.
How do you tell the difference? Look into The Word itself.
“How do you reconcile your attack on our age of industrial abundance with the Gospel of Matthew?” – article
He doesn’t have to justify it, Eric Worrall. He’s an arrogant ass, up there above it all in Cloud Land while the rest of us peons are down here, mired in mud and wondering what it would take to yank him off his Cloud Throne and roll him around in the mud.
Arrogance and pride are essentially the same thing, ergo, Arrogance Goeth Before A Fall.
What a dorkwad!!!!
another nobody
making nonsense claims
but doesn’t understand he is actually making it harder for the poor not better
someone in the UK blamed flooding in Somerset in 2014 on sin…
Was it you, or one of your demented
friendsfiends ??Study just who is the “the god of his world (age)” and get back with me.
(You might want to start with Luke 4:6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.
7 If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine.
Climate change is everybody’s favorite movement. To environmentalists it’s environmentalism, to the population bomb guys it’s the population bomb all over again, and to the religious it is religion. The common denominator is fear. People need something to fear.
https://tambonthongchai.com/2020/10/21/climate-change-and-religion/
He could begin to atone by turning off his air conditioning and stop using machinery to do his laundry.
There’s a special little room in Hell for guys like this.
IF Hell exists, of course. I mean, if it doesn’t exist, then there would be no special little room in it. It would only be an imaginary projection of a mind who believes in Hell, and who also believes in CO2 caused climate change, the silliest thing in which a normal, thinking human being could possibly believe.
So breathing must be sinful. No wonder the Uniting Church is losing member.
Stopped reading the above article by Rev. Dr Peter Walker after hitting this in his first paragraph:
“Earth System Science tells us this planet is finely tuned, yet one species has been serving its own needs to such an extent that the cost to everything else has become intolerable.”
What paleoclimatology science tells us is that the Earth has naturally experienced five major Ice Ages, and we are currently in the one known as the Quarternary. The previous three Ice Ages have had durations ranging from 40 to 100 million years.
In addition, paleoclimatology science tells us that within Ice Ages there are cyclic periods of relative cold (known as “glacials” or “stadials”) and periods of relative warmth (known as “interglacials” or “interstadials”), with the period of the last nine such full cycles averaging to be about 100,000 years.
This data contradicts the claim that “this planet is finely tuned”.
To give but one example to put this into perspective, just 21,000 years ago, the Chicago area was under 3000 feet of glacial ice, but in June-July 2021 there were major news stories about heat waves in Chicago (as well as other cities across the US).
To re-phrase the above quote from Rev. Dr Peter Walker,
“The cost to humanity to survive a natural glacial period would be intolerable. If it’s not just pure luck, mankind should give thanks to God that the current interglacial interval enabled us to become civilized.”
Rev Walkers statement that “everything else (or anything) has become intolerable” is also a heck of an exaggeration (lie).
Since the Lone Ranger is out of the picture I guess Biden is the only answer left. What a country.
Christ people are stupid. I thought we had got rid of all this sky fairy crap ages ago, but it keeps coming back.
If co2 is sinful, the good reverend must cease breathing forthwith.
The abuse of the Earth is a sin. The climate emergency has come about because of our sinfulness. It is a sign, and may prove the most telling of all signs, of our universal gone-wrongness, and of the fact that humanity has turned in upon itself. Calling people to prayer for the planet without naming the sin that makes those prayers and global action to save the planet essential is a profound moral and theological failure.
I don’t remember seeing this in the Bible .
In the Bible, Genesis 8:22
The promise of the rainbow is where God promised that
While the earth remains, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.
Any who profess to believe in God and believe He keeps His promises won’t be on the AGW bandwagon.
There is still a rainbow after the rain when the sun comes out.
There is still summer and winter, there is still cold and heat,
I chose to believe God over deluded charlatans who have rarely been accurate in any predictions.
God’s predictions always happen, 100 times out of 100.
And will continue to do so.