Sky News Think Bangladesh Never Used To Flood

Reposted from NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW THAT

JULY 10, 2021

By Paul Homewood

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https://uk.news.yahoo.com/ripple-effects-extreme-weather-events-144000105.html

Sky’s propaganda report on extreme weather also mentioned flooding in Bangladesh:

The immediate human cost of heatwaves in Canada, flooding in Bangladesh, hurricanes in the United States and wildfires in Australia is of course high.

As any competent journalist should have known, severe flooding in Bangladesh is a common event, something which has always occurred in the majority of years. British Pathe , for instance, have many film footages from the 1970s on the link below. I’d recommend viewing one at random.

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https://www.britishpathe.com/search/query/Bangladesh+flood

The headlines give you a flavour:

  • 1972  – Monsoon floods bring death and misery –

                       – Thousands made homeless

                       – Major air drop of food begins to feed millions facing starvation

  • 1974  – Worst floods in living memory

                       –  Millions face famine

  • 1975  – 10,000 homeless
  • 1976  – Nearly a quarter of the country under water
  • 1977  –  200,000 homeless
  • 1978   – Army launches massive rescue operation to save victims of floods

And this does not even cover the Bhola cyclone in 1971, which took a half a million lives.

Sadly Sky News and honest, competent journalism seem to have parted company long ago.

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markl
July 10, 2021 10:11 am

It’s not just weather and climate history they are trying to rewrite. Given enough time and media control they may succeed unless we start pushing back. The West and Democracy are under attack.

MarkH
Reply to  markl
July 10, 2021 1:21 pm

“Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.”

– George Orwell, 1984

Greg
Reply to  MarkH
July 10, 2021 1:48 pm

Wow, I got half way through until I realised it was NOT talking about the last 6 months !

Michael in Dublin
Reply to  MarkH
July 10, 2021 5:35 pm

It is a wonder 1984 has not been fact checked by social media and removed from Amazon’s list of books.

Duker
Reply to  Michael in Dublin
July 10, 2021 8:33 pm

They will get to it …but it will because of some blemish in Eric Blairs ( Orwell) life …ye that will be it. Remember he chose to be a colonial era Indian Police office in Burma

Anthony
Reply to  Duker
July 10, 2021 11:15 pm

Yep but where did he get the idea for the above statement??? from working at the BBC……..

TonyG
Reply to  Michael in Dublin
July 11, 2021 10:04 am

It’s funny – I used to have a copy of The Communist Manifesto where there was a section about schools and public education. I have not been able to find that section in online editions or more recent publications.

It wouldn’t surprise me to see 1984 similarly “adjusted”

pHil R
Reply to  TonyG
July 11, 2021 1:25 pm

Did it say something like this?

The bourgeois family will vanish as a matter of course when its complement vanishes, and both will vanish with the vanishing of capital.

Do you charge us with wanting to stop the exploitation of children by their parents? To this crime we plead guilty.

But, you say, we destroy the most hallowed of relations, when we replace home education by social.

And your education! Is not that also social, and determined by the social conditions under which you educate, by the intervention direct or indirect, of society, by means of schools, &c.? The Communists have not invented the intervention of society in education; they do but seek to alter the character of that intervention, and to rescue education from the influence of the ruling class.

The bourgeois clap-trap about the family and education, about the hallowed co-relation of parents and child, becomes all the more disgusting, the more, by the action of Modern Industry, all the family ties among the proletarians are torn asunder, and their children transformed into simple articles of commerce and instruments of labour.

Bruce Cobb
July 10, 2021 10:12 am

Yellow Journalism combined with Blue Journalism, and now we have Green Journalism. Science.

Sweet Old Bob
July 10, 2021 10:17 am

Sky , Chicken Little was talking about YOU .

😉

John Tillman
July 10, 2021 10:19 am

Bangladesh floods every year, covering an average 18% of the delta country and k!lling thousands. In catastrophic years, the area under water can reach 75%.

Since independence (as West Pakistan), the most extensive inundations occurred in 1951, ‘87, ‘88 and ‘98. The disastrous 1974 monsoon-fed flood took almost 29,000 lives.

Last edited 3 months ago by John Tillman
gringojay
Reply to  John Tillman
July 10, 2021 10:32 am

East Pakistan (not west) would have been Bangladesh.

stewartpid
Reply to  gringojay
July 10, 2021 10:56 am

John is using the metric west!

Mike McMillan
Reply to  stewartpid
July 10, 2021 1:13 pm

No, he just forgot that Bangladesh is above the equator.

John Tillman
Reply to  gringojay
July 10, 2021 2:06 pm

That’s what I meant. Being south of the equator threw me off.

Eric Vieira
Reply to  John Tillman
July 11, 2021 1:04 am

In a lot of schools they don’t talk about monsoons anymore…

Gary Pearse
July 10, 2021 10:50 am

Paul, note all these headlines were during the depths of the “Ice Age Cometh” worry when temperatures (before recent climateering adjustments) declined 0.5°C. It seems the past 6 years of cooling may bring back the flooding.

Greg
Reply to  Gary Pearse
July 10, 2021 1:52 pm

Yes, I was going to point that out too. The mid 70s was the “cold” period: cold , condensation, flooding.

It’s also worth noting that hurricanes in USA and bush fires in Aussie, is nothing new either.

Doonman
July 10, 2021 10:52 am

People older than 60 remember these events. Unfortunately, young people who don’t and never are educated as to past events are indoctrinated to believe that all recent weather events are new. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Pauleta
Reply to  Doonman
July 10, 2021 1:19 pm

I am late 40’s and I remember these things. And I agree, newer generations are even worse nowadays.

Stephen Philbrick
Reply to  Doonman
July 10, 2021 2:20 pm

In 2016 the Washington Post quoted Ben Rhodes:

“The average reporter we talk to is 27 years old, and their only reporting experience consists of being around political campaigns. …They literally know nothing.”

I heard recently that many people, while knowing that history occurred before they were born, sometimes act as if everything before they were born is almost irrelevant, and only things that happened since they were born affect their worldview.

When you put those two things together, it is not surprising, although very sad, that events as recently as the 70s may not penetrate their consciousness.

Duker
Reply to  Stephen Philbrick
July 10, 2021 8:36 pm

They can tell you about all the films of the 40s and 50s, the philosophy of the ancients , the literature of the medieval era.
The weather in the last 75 years , they havent a bloody clue

Alan the Brit
Reply to  Stephen Philbrick
July 11, 2021 12:14 am

Didn’t someone somewhere once say, that if you do not remember the past, you’re destined to repeat the mistakes of the past?

TonyG
Reply to  Alan the Brit
July 11, 2021 10:05 am

Which makes me wonder – why are they so set on erasing any memory of the past?

John Larson
Reply to  Stephen Philbrick
July 11, 2021 10:48 am

I heard recently that many people, while knowing that history occurred before they were born, sometimes act as if everything before they were born is almost irrelevant, and only things that happened since they were born affect their worldview.”

I suggest there are consequences from teaching virtually all children (for many decades now) that Evolution, in the Grand Origin Story sense, is a scientific fact. And that one is many will see history as essentially arbitrary, just what (some) previous people critters happened to do under the circumstances they happened to face in their time.

And that many will consider it almost silly to do other than seek to experience mostly pleasant times, and to minimize mostly unpleasant times, while they can experience anything at all. And hence, will tend to see others exposing them to unpleasant things as a form of violence . .

This can actually work against the Global Warming alarmist agenda, in terms of what future generations of people critters may experience, of course, so much emphasis on current and impending unpleasantness being the result of GW, is needed to keep the snowflakes “active”, and effectively ruthless . .

~ History shmistory, this is MY chance to experience mostly pleasant times you Siants (sounds like science ; ) deniers are unwilling to give up even a little bit of YOUR pleasure to allow me to have . .. How dare you!! ~

Rud Istvan
July 10, 2021 10:52 am

Much of Bangladesh is the delta from two rivers. In places the delta is subsiding up to 4mm/year for two reasons.

  1. Like the Mississippi delta, flood control and channelization mean less sediment replenishment during the monsoons. So just like Louisiana, loss of protective barrier islands. In Bangladesh, also loss of mangrove fringe.
  2. increasing ground water extraction to provide for the growing population.

Will get worse, but nothing to do with climate change.

Gary Pearse
Reply to  Rud Istvan
July 10, 2021 12:35 pm

At least they now have a couple of big, modern coal power plants to improve life. The country has progressed remarkably in the past 2 decades from one of the poorest nations to a relatively prosperous one. Their annual GDP growth has exceeded 15% a year over the past 6-7yrs and the fertility rate has dropped from six kids per family to under two!

Even the Ganges Bengal tiger population is increasing (CO2 spurred habitat development). Bangladeshis will solve their own problems as prosperity lifts them up. They could build a canal and lock system for a navigation channel and let the river repair itself.

John in Oz
Reply to  Rud Istvan
July 10, 2021 5:59 pm

Another example of Man’s intervention on Nature and the resulting effect, NOT climate change.

From ‘dirt. The Erosion of Civilisations’ by David R. Montgomery (my bold):

Today, the Chinese people overwhelmingly live on the alluvial plains

where great rivers descending from the Tibetan Plateau deposit much of

their load of silt. Flooding has been a problem for thousands of years on the

Huanghe, better known in the West as the Yellow River, a name imparted

r i v e r s o f l i f e 4 3

by the color of dirt eroded from the river’s deforested headwaters. Before

the first levees and dikes were constructed in 340 bc, the river meandered

across a broad floodplain. In the second century bc the river’s Chinese name

changed from Great River to Yellow River when the sediment load

increased tenfold as farmers began plowing up the highly erodible silty

(loess) soils into the river’s headwaters.

The earliest communities along the Yellow River were situated on elevated

terraces along tributaries. Only later, after the area became densely

populated, did people crowd onto the floodplain. Extensive levees to protect

farmlands and towns along the river kept floodwaters, and the sediment

they carried, confined between the levees. Where the river hit the

plains, the weakening current began dropping sediment out between the

levees instead of across the floodplain. Rebuilding levees ever higher to

contain the floodwaters ensured that the riverbed climbed above the alluvial

plain about a foot every century.

By the 1920s the surface of the river towered thirty feet above the floodplain

during the high-water season. This guaranteed that any flood that

breached the levees was devastating. Floodwaters released from the confines

of the levees roared down onto the floodplain, submerging farms,

towns, and sometimes even whole cities beneath a temporary lake. In 1852

the river jumped its dikes and flowed north, flooding cities and villages and

killing millions of people before draining out hundreds of miles to the

north. More than two million people drowned or died in the resulting

famine when the river breached its southern dike and submerged the

province of Henan during the flood of 1887–89. With the river flowing

high above its floodplain, levee breaches are always catastrophic.

Jim Whelan
Reply to  John in Oz
July 11, 2021 8:13 am

Flooding has been a problem for thousands of years

Far from being a problem, such flooding is the reason such areas are fertile land for agriculture and the basis of civilizations.

pHil R
Reply to  Jim Whelan
July 11, 2021 1:30 pm

The problem with flooding is relative…if a relative drowns, it’s a problem.

Jim Whelan
Reply to  Rud Istvan
July 11, 2021 8:07 am

ALL major river deltas flood and it’s the main reason they are so fruitful and the locations of civilizations (like Egypt and the Nile or Babylon and the Tigris/Euphrates) since the beginning of agriculture.

The Mississippi and New Orleans on the delta is a natural flood plain subject to regular inundation. What’s unusual isn’t Katrina but the fact that the levees prevent flooding most years.

Bill Powers
July 10, 2021 10:53 am

Everything old is new again. Only this time it is all your fault.

Chris Hanley
Reply to  JohnC
July 10, 2021 4:16 pm

Californians obviously haven’t built enough windmill and solar ‘farms’.

jorgekafkazar
July 10, 2021 11:17 am

Today’s typical “investigative journalist” could not investigate his own dumpadeedus without a map, a theodolite, and a team of native guides.

commieBob
Reply to  jorgekafkazar
July 10, 2021 12:01 pm

Oh yeah! Find me an investigative journalist who knows what a theodolite is, let alone how to use one. Just you try.

Abolition Man
Reply to  commieBob
July 10, 2021 5:16 pm

Theodolite? Luxury!
We couldn’t even afford a transit! We had to use a piece of string and a water level!

commieBob
Reply to  Abolition Man
July 10, 2021 6:12 pm

… and a stone for a plumb bob. Can’t forget the stone.

Abolition Man
Reply to  commieBob
July 10, 2021 6:36 pm

You had a stone!?

Pat from kerbob
Reply to  Abolition Man
July 10, 2021 9:56 pm

We used to dream of having a stone.

Redge
Reply to  Pat from kerbob
July 10, 2021 11:59 pm

You were lucky!

I had to get up in the morning at ten o’clock at night half an hour before I went to bed,

bill Johnston
Reply to  Abolition Man
July 11, 2021 5:54 am

I still occasionally use a pea shooter.

tommyboy
July 10, 2021 11:26 am

The concert for Bangladesh was performed in New York in 1971 as a disaster relief fundraiser. For those of you who would like to take a moment to revisit your childhood click the link.

Reply to  tommyboy
July 10, 2021 2:02 pm

With the great Ravi Shankar – thaks for the reminder !comment image

Rory Forbes
Reply to  tommyboy
July 10, 2021 3:14 pm

That was mesmerizing. Ravi Shankar is always worth listening to. I can listen to Indian music any time … thanks for that.

mwhite
July 10, 2021 11:49 am

Wikipedia are slipping

Floods in Bangladesh – Wikipedia

The country has a long history of destructive flooding that has had very adverse impacts on lives and property. In the 19th century, six major floods were recorded: 1842, 1858, 1871, 1875, 1885 and 1892. Eighteen major floods occurred in the 20th century. Those of 1951, 1987, 1988 and 1998 were of catastrophic consequence. More recent floods include 2004 and 2010.”



Thomas Gasloli
Reply to  mwhite
July 10, 2021 4:00 pm

Give Wikipedia a break. They have enough to do editing as many articles as possible to be pro-Beijing.

Chaswarnertoo
Reply to  mwhite
July 11, 2021 2:34 am

I’d screenshot that. It’ll be gone in 5 years time.

D Clark
July 10, 2021 11:59 am
DiggerUK
July 10, 2021 12:06 pm

If somebody from Lancashire, told someone from Sky News, that 97% of people in Lancashire have climate models to prove it never rained in Yorkshire, it would be reported as the beginning of the end for Polar Bears in Ireland…_

Reply to  DiggerUK
July 10, 2021 2:02 pm

Don’t tell griff 😀

Rich Davis
Reply to  DiggerUK
July 10, 2021 4:20 pm

I read the news today, oh my! 4000 climatologists in Blackburn Lancashire. Although their credibility was rather small, they had to count them all. Now we know how many hoes it takes to fill the Albert Hall.

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M Courtney
July 10, 2021 12:12 pm

Sky News has a Daily Climate Show. That’s 30 minutes every single day focussing on climate news.
You might think that the integral of weather over a period of thirty years doesn’t need updates every 24 hours. But Sky News disagrees.
And they then have to fill the half hour with stuff lie this:
Daily Climate Show – The Latest News from the UK and Around the World | Sky News

gringojay
July 10, 2021 12:16 pm

Current Bangladesh has a plateau (Shillong Plateau) in the north-east with high gradients of streams orientated north to south. The area in our time gets up to 10,000mm annual precipitation.

To the south of this plateau is a zone characterized by a fault (Dauki Fault) and then, to the south of that fault is what is characterized as a geological trough (Sylhet Trough). The trough is currently about 13 – 17 km thick where sedimentation occurs en-route to what is currently a delta.

Change has occurred in this geological region and in the pre-Oligocene era there was not a delta, but rather the trough itself interfaced with the water body. It was in the late-Triasic/early-Jurassic era that the trough started to get delta-like sedimentation accruing. And in the late-Tertiary era there was renewed uplifting of the upland plateau (Shillong Plateau); while the trough (Sylhet Trough) delta itself was getting lowered (subsided).

Change – it’s what’s happenin’ baby!

Greg
July 10, 2021 1:55 pm

Factory fires are nothing new either but I guess we could say they are becoming more frequent and more intense “in a warming world”.

Stephen Philbrick
Reply to  Greg
July 10, 2021 2:24 pm

I’m fairly certain that thank you fires are becoming less frequent and less intense. While I don’t expect many readers to have positive reactions to the insurance industry, and I must admit to a conflict of interest in this area, as one of my major clients specialized in large factory fire and business interruption coverage, but they spend roughly as much money on claim prevention and mitigation, as they do in claim payouts. 

Janus100
Reply to  Stephen Philbrick
July 10, 2021 4:31 pm

Is this client’s of yours name Factory Mutual by any chance?

Robert of Texas
July 10, 2021 2:01 pm

“Sadly Sky News and honest, competent journalism seem to have parted company long ago.”

There are honest and competent journalists? I don’t think they have taught journalism in Universities for going on 30 years now, maybe longer. It was replaced with activism and socialism. Journalists these days would feel right at home with government jobs in the old Soviet Union, Red China, and fascist Nazi Germany.

Now I agree there are people who write articles who are honest and competent, but none of them are journalists as far as I know.

AlexBerlin
Reply to  Robert of Texas
July 10, 2021 2:06 pm

Longer than 30 years. 1968 was 53 years ago.

Marty
July 10, 2021 2:25 pm

I’m currently retired. But in the past I frequently had to deal with reporters. (Local and national news, print, radio and television news.) My impression of them was that most of them were a bit on the stupid side and that most of them were poorly educated. Just my impression from working with them.

Thomas Gasloli
Reply to  Marty
July 10, 2021 4:04 pm

Well, it is one thing for them to get things wrong because they didn’t understand, but now they come out of “journalism school” with a set of political narratives that every story must be crammed into. It isn’t ignorance, it is deliberate misinformation now.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Thomas Gasloli
July 11, 2021 8:41 am

If it’s deliberate, it’s disinformation.

Chris Hanley
July 10, 2021 3:52 pm

Overbearing over-privileged over-protected over-fed white male mansplains to the prime minister of one of the poorest countries in the world (Bangladesh) why she should not build the Rampal coal-fired power plant:
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Abolition Man
July 10, 2021 6:02 pm

Charles,
Great post, but there is a glaring inaccuracy in the headline!
You CAN’T use “think” and Sky News in the same sentence! Doing so only serves to legitimize their feeble claims to being journalists! Please use more accurate verbs in the future; like “believe” or “feel!”
How nice to have not one, but two, solid Beatle threads to up the game here at WUWT! Just sad to realize that Clapton was so strung out that George brought in Jesse Ed Davis to play lead if Eric was unable! There’s another great musician who died way too early

RoHa
July 10, 2021 7:32 pm

Repeat after me.

Until Margaret Thatcher warned us about Global Warming:

  1. There were never any floods in Bengal/East Pakistan/Bangladesh
  2. There were never any bushfires in Australia
  3. There were never any heatwaves anywhere, let alone Canada
  4. There were no hurricanes, typhoons, or cyclones.

And keep repeating it until you believe it.

Quilter52
July 10, 2021 10:28 pm

it’s a Delta. they always flood that’s how the land actually slowly develops but usually remains low just above water level.

Redge
July 11, 2021 12:04 am

Sky News also came up with this headline the other day:

Bangladesh: Rising sea levels force women into sex work

Alan the Brit
July 11, 2021 12:08 am

I seem to recall in the very dim & distant past, being asked in 1971 to donate my pocket money or more if I could, into a fund raising event at school to help out in this tragic event, because Bangladesh is a low lying nation (very new at that) prone to flooding!!!! Do these journos ever do any research, oh wait, they need at least half a brain to do that kind of complicated thing, not many have that much, that’s why they become journos!!!!

Rich Davis
Reply to  Alan the Brit
July 11, 2021 1:40 pm

Alan if you look for 1800s flooding in Bangladesh obviously there’s no reference since there was no Bangladesh at the time. And any flooding in the land now called Bangladesh must have been caused by colonialism.

Eric Vieira
July 11, 2021 1:01 am

In line with George Orwell’s citation from 1984:
“Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past.”

David Hartley
July 11, 2021 1:42 am

 On the other hand, the reconstruction indicates long multidecadal wet periods of above normal discharge between ~1560–1600 C.E., 1750–1800 C.E., and ~1830–1860 C.E.

Next, we evaluated the relationship between discharge and 12 historical Brahmaputra flood years in 1787, 1842, 1858, 1871, 1885, 1892, 1900, 1902, 1906, 1910, 1918, 1922 C.E.

We did not find any meaningful or statistically consistent relationship between monsoon season flow in the Brahmaputra River and variance in ocean sea surface temperatures (SSTs) or indices such as the El Niño-Southern Oscillation (ENSO) or the Indian Ocean Dipole (IOD) (Supplementary Fig. 12). This is consistent with prior studies15,28,69, even though we used a more up-to-date discharge dataset that extends up through 2011.


https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-19795-6

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griff
July 11, 2021 2:46 am

What is different since 1971 is an effective warning and refuge system, which has massively reduced flood/cyclone casualties in Bangladesh. Something often forgotten by posters here who claim recent climate events aren’t killing people…

The 2020 monsoon was the longest since 1988 and caused the worst flooding in a decade. Around a quarter of the country was underwater at the beginning of June. Once major floods happened once in every 20 years. Now they happen once in every five years.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  griff
July 11, 2021 8:48 am

Apparently you ignored the comment right above yours.

Next, we evaluated the relationship between discharge and 12 historical Brahmaputra flood years in 1787, 1842, 1858, 1871, 1885, 1892, 1900, 1902, 1906, 1910, 1918, 1922 C.E.”

That doesn’t look like every 20 years to me.

There is no such thing as a “climate event”. These are all weather events. And absolutely no one here has ever claimed that “recent [weather] events aren’t killing people”.

Who paid you to type that nonsense?

TonyG
Reply to  griff
July 11, 2021 10:08 am

What is the right number of floods, griff?

Climate believer
July 11, 2021 4:14 am

“While it is always difficult to directly connect one single weather event to climate change”…..

…but we’ll do it anyway, and exaggerate beyond reason, with absolutely no historical context whatsoever to convince you that this is all unprecedented and ultimately all your fault…. have a nice day.

July 11, 2021 4:53 am

In your history timeline, you left out George Harrison’s benefit concert for Bangladesh.

2hotel9
July 11, 2021 6:32 am

Doesn’t the word Bangladesh mean flood? It is the first thing I think of when I see Bangladesh. When you live on a giant flood plain it will flood.

Jim Whelan
July 11, 2021 8:10 am

Bangladesh, join the club! There’s no reason the “effects of global warming” should be limited to Maimi street flooding, Mississippi river floods, or heavy storms on the US East Coast.

Andy Pattullo
July 11, 2021 8:31 am

Yes the past isn’t relevant. Only the last weather calamity that can be framed as caused by the human plague colonizing planet Earth. And they rant and rave about sea level rise threatening Bangladesh when satellites show it gaining territory. How can that possibly happen? Might it be due to the massive river bringing millions of tons of fill from the mountains to the delta every month? It is such a hard job being an end-of-time acolyte when nature insists on following the rule of physics rather than astrology.

TonyG
July 11, 2021 9:00 am

History MUST be ignored in order to make the point, right?

WXcycles
July 12, 2021 12:48 am

There were major floods there in the 1990s.

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