Guest essay by Eric Worrall
h/t Dr. Willie Soon; The Collegian, a Penn State University student publication, laments that there are still ageing contrarians and climate deniers who dispute the work of the great Michael Mann.
Penn State professor, climate scientist Michael Mann fights against climate denialism
Will Aguirre | The Daily Collegian
Apr 22, 2021As the world changes and climate changes with it, one thing has stayed the same for decades — Michael Mann’s commitment to fighting the climate war.
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Mann began studying quantum mechanics as an undergraduate at the University of California, Berkeley, with majors in physics and applied math. When he began work as a graduate student at Yale University, Mann said he was “lured away” from the physics department because there were still opportunities for young scientists to make “substantial contributions” at the forefront of climate studies.
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Mann said he doesn’t want to blame fossil fuel workers for engaging in the “climate war.” Instead, he said he believes there are just a few corporate CEOs who serve as “bad actors” and make “cynical decisions knowing the devastating impact” they would have on the climate.
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According to Nye, both him and Mann are frequently asked two common questions: “What can I do about climate change,” and “What can be done to convince someone who’s a climate denier?”
Nye calls these the $10 trillion questions, because climate deniers are so “dug in” to their beliefs, which only makes it harder to convince them of what the science suggests.
The only definitive way to see significant action to prevent climate change is to simply wait for deniers and contrarians to “age out,” according to Nye.
“There’s an old saying — ‘science proceeds one funeral at a time,’” Nye said, “but it’s not happening fast enough.”
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Read more: https://www.collegian.psu.edu/news/campus/penn-state-professor-climate-scientist-michael-mann-fights-against-climate-denialism/article_a7a6c7c6-a2f7-11eb-ab1c-5bca01044a1a.html
There have been occasions where scientists have persuaded their colleagues by providing evidence to back their theories, rather than waiting for their opponents to die.
My favourite example, Barry Marshall and Robin Warren overcame resistance to their theory stomach ulcers are caused by a bacterial infection, by providing evidence to back their claim – they cultured the slow growing previously unknown bacteria responsible for stomach ulcers, proving it existed, and successfully cured ulcers with antibiotics.
Einstein also had trouble convincing his peers that space and time are mutable, until the day Einstein famously received a telegram, from British scientists who had conducted an expedition to an island off the west coast of Africa, to view a total solar eclipse. The purpose of the expedition was to test Einstein’s prediction that stars which appeared close to the sun during the eclipse would be slightly out of position, because star light skimming close to the sun would be bent by the sun’s gravity.
Perhaps if Mann and Nye presented evidence that global warming is causing a significant problem, more people would accept their claim we are currently experiencing a climate crisis.
A scientist who discovers something new is a contrarian.
You’re correct. It’s never settled. Is the birth of new ideas, new challenges and new facts that lead to scientific progress. It’s Nye’s thinking that is stuck in a belief which cannot be challenged.
Check out this book.
Thomas Kuhn’s Theory of Scientific Revolutions (ccsu.edu)
I read it in college and it’s way more relevant today.
For Bill Nye, science has not proceeded past junior high level. !
And yes, when Bill “leaves”, there will be one less non-scientist clown..
Bill is an obsolete engineer who went into show business for the money. Nothing to get excited about.
Oh, in countrarie,
a big looser freak makes it big in success and achievement… for his own stand.
No such chance for you or any other there in consideration of equality of opportunity, unless you happen to be a freak…
these days.
Everything to get exited about…. very exciting.
cheers
He probably went into show business because he was a lousy engineer…
And Mann switched from a hard math discipline to a softer, more malleable environmental field where opinions could be made to carry as much weight as facts.
I was always told that the engineering school at Cornell was legendary for culling weak performers. Lots of “look to the left, look to the right, one of you won’t be here next year”. Well it couldn’t have been that tough…
Did I miss something – what is Cornell”s relevance to this post?
Just being sarcastic. Cornell is Nye’s alma mater. The relevance is that engineers, if they learn anything at school, should have a healthy respect for science. Per the article, Nye is an admirer / ally of someone who has demonstrated a propensity to cherry-pick data and hide results that contradict his findings. Btw, Doug, are you at all concerned that Nye is disappointed that “climate deniers” aren’t dying-off quickly enough?
Disposing of those who fail to agree with them enthusiastically enough has always been the left wing way.
Yes, ole Bill doesn’t have to wait for deniers to d!e, he can just get Biden to throw them all in jail. Solitary confinement preferably, that way the deniers can’t spread any more denial. That’s what the Chicoms would do if anyone over there goes against the official dogma.
Biden is back in the business of illegally using the power of the federal government to go after his political opponents, just like he did during the Obama-Biden administration. A Criminal Enterprise/Deep State is running the United States right now.
We are seeing the beginnings of totalitarianism in the United States and our Commander-in-Chief has no internal moral constraints. Biden is a traitor and he continues to betray our nation with his every action.
The Biden administration is trying real hard to steal our freedoms away. Fortunately, conservatives are not sitting still and may have a few vital allies in Democrat Senators Manchin and Sinema, who have said they oppose doing away with the Senate filibuster and oppose adding to the Supreme Court and Machin is even complaining about some of the porkbarrel Democrat spending, so we may have a chance to stop the more radical parts of the Democrat agenda.
To paraphrase Voltaire (referring to Christianity, which he hated) “If you can get them to believe nonsense, you can get them to commit atrocities..” It worked for the Nazis and is working for the modern idiots who push Marxism. Well, I’ll be gone soon enough and I hope the little sh$$s enjoy their miserable communal lives.
Cornell Engineering was tough, very tough. By the end of Sophomore year, both left and right and more were gone. I graduated BSEE, minor in Computer Science, four years before Nye. Carl Sagan was there, as was Hans Bethe. It was a great time to be there. I respected Nye’s work for many years and held him in high regard for teaching science to kids, and adults. But as an entertainer, he had to develop and sell what they were willing to bankroll. His salary depends on saying and selling the popular tripe, and calling it science. He gets to hobnob with politicians and such, and gets to give talks on fake science which sounds and looks good, like his faked experiment for Al Gore. He’s become an embarrassment, and won’t be missed by most people I know with engineering degrees from Cornell.
Just out of curiosity, did he design by himself, anything, but commensurate with his degree, that works, after many and many years?
Well….bit of embarrassment is Mr. Nye to Cornell alums I should think.
My observation was limited to engineering types… I think, unfortunately, most Cornell alums uncritically buy his shtick, hook, line, and sinker… which is exactly the point. He spouts what his audience expects to hear and he’s rewarded for it. No Galileo, for sure.
The joke here on Bill Nye
is that climate science of the consensus is exactly the kind of intractable dross that Max Planck was referring to when he offered the opinion that science progresses one funeral at a time.
His point was that science does not change by convincing the majority of entrenched followers of a paradigm that they are wrong. It changes when the old ‘guard’ dies off and the publication volume of their followers rapidly declines as new young ideas take over.
Consensus climate clones spend most of their time avoiding debates of new ideas, gatekeeping journals, threatening editors to block alternative ideas, name calling, having institutions fire scientists who dare differ or criticize from the dearly held opinions of the crowd…
Note also that individuals of the ruling clique often don’t have more than one piece of output. What else does Mann have that he’s remembered for but the 1998 hockey stick. He’s spent his whole career redoing and arguing about this little thing, writing books and op-eds about his battles in connection with it. He’s paid, what? 80 to a hundred grand a year for a quarter of a century and will get a pension for another quarter century of maybe 65 grand a year and now probably a bigger government pay and additional pension, add in millions for grants and the HS that McIntyre and McKittrick debunked in a week or two has cost the economy a veritable fortune.
No way could this mann be convinced by scholarly argument that even his typos should be fixed.
The ability of these people to be diametrically and multidimensionally wrong never ceases to amaze.
Mark Steyn’s book about Mann had a lot of unflattering comments from Mann’s fellow scientists.
Mann is highly regarded in the Pop Culture, but a lot of his fellow scientists don’t have much good to say about him.
How is he funding his endless lawsuit against Mark Steyn?
Jaw, there is a big defence fund that was created and funded by the global warming Marxists, expressly to support the warriors for the cause. They didn’t count on having to deal with a giant like Mark Steyn, though.
Rather than cower away from it, Mark countersued for 20+Million plus punitive damages to lock Mann into the suit and not allow him, as is his style, to drop the suit after a few years of resource draining punishment. Now if he drops the suit, Mark’s countersuit becomes a slam dunk.
Mark is a plaintiff’s worst nightmare. He has written books and given talks on his show harpooning Mann and dismantling his reputation. He called the Nobel Committee and published the reply that Mann was not a Nobel Laureate (When IPCC got the Nobel prize, the director said it really belonged to all the scientists and took it on his own to print up scrolls for each of them. Mike had to emend his legal pleading that stated Steyn had slandered a Nobel Prize winner!!)
He has won two other big suits, one of which resulted in a Canadian Statute being struck down.
I take this as a threat. If some dork with a bow tie shows up at my door, I’ll be ready.
There’s a note of desperation here. Don’t forget that Mark Steyn’s book A Disgrace to the Profession carried the opinions about Mann of 100 world class scientists. I’m sure many are still alive and will be for some time!!
Some hard facts about climate alarmists and their “pack of lies”.
Excerpt from my paper
CLIMATE CHANGE, COVID-19, AND THE GREAT RESET Update 1d
“Rode and Fischbeck, professor of Social & Decision Sciences and Engineering & Public Policy, collected 79 predictions of climate-caused apocalypse going back to the first Earth Day in 1970. With the passage of time, many of these forecasts have since expired; the dates have come and gone uneventfully. In fact, 48 (61%) of the predictions have already expired as of the end of 2020.”
Climate doomsters have a perfect NEGATIVE predictive track record – every very-scary climate prediction, of the ~80 they have made since 1970, has FAILED TO HAPPEN.
Fully 48 of these predictions expired at the end of 2020. Never happened! Never will!
What are the odds at 50:50 per prediction?
3.6*10^-15 = 0.0000000000000036
So the climate doomsters were wrong in their very-scary climate predictions 48 times in a row – at 50:50 odds that’s like flipping a coin 48 times and losing every time! The odds against that being mere random stupidity are a gazillion to 1. It’s not just scientists being stupid.
No, these climate doomsters were not telling the truth – they displayed a dishonest bias in their analyses that caused these extremely improbable errors – they knew they were lying.
There is a powerful logic that says no rational person or group could be this wrong for this long; they followed a corrupt agenda, and they lied again and again.
The ability to predict is the best objective means of assessing scientific competence, and the global warming alarmists have NO predictive track record – they have been 100% wrong about everything and nobody should believe these fraudsters – about anything!
I published this new Law in early 2020. Edit: Please delete the word “Virtually”.
“MACRAE’S MAXIM”:
“VIRTUALLY EVERY SCARY PREDICTION BY GLOBAL WARMING ALARMISTS IS FALSE.”
Best regards, Allan
Great comment, Allan.
It’s a trillion dollar question alright!
Hell, I am old enough to remember when plate tectonics was new and controversial.
I also remember Nixon’s War on Cancer, with the belief system that there was an epidemic of cancer caused by those evil industrial chemicals. Carter was also into funding that, but is sorta petered out, both by being a highly dubious model, and Reagan not continuing the hysteria.
AGW will hopefully have the same fate as eugenics, where no one admitted to ever accepting it.
After WW2 we knew what eugenics could turn into.
After the Gulag Archipelago, communism was temporarily discredited. We now have university professors who proudly proclaim that they are Marxists.
Similarly, eugenics could come back because it makes some claims that are actually true. AGW, on the other hand, will be seen as similar to flat Earth. Forever.
On a slightly different path … how can anyone proudly profess to be a Penn State student? It demonstrated corruption so heinous that it should have been dissolved.
”Will be wwn as flat earth”..
That is because that’s what the theory is based on, a flat earth surface that get’s half strength sunlight 24/7
They are flat-earthers literally, despite what bill nye the silly guy says.
“On a slightly different path … how can anyone proudly profess to be a Penn State student? It demonstrated corruption so heinous that it should have been dissolved.”
To me, that is equivalent to saying all police are bad because of a few bad apples.
I don’t imagine most members and former members of Penn State got a vote on how those heinous actions were allowed to happen, or how they were resolved.
I have no affilation with Penn State other than watching their football team play on tv, I just think sometimes we paint with too broad a brush which ends up including innocent people.
commie!
They actually never left.
Man you get to clear your mind.
All the mess there simply because people, like you and me too,
fall for that crap without realizing.
The end never justifies any thing.
It happens just simply it the end.
The merit always stands with means, like it or not.
The biggest and worst atrocities in human history have happened solely due to the ugly belief that the end justifies the means or whatever.
cheers
Global warming is clearly contested, similar to plate tectonics. Perhaps global warming will be accepted eventually, just like plate tectonics has been? The difference is that global warming is very complex, and obviously models are not evidence, so we probably won’t get definitive evidence, one way or another, for a while yet.
The major problem is that AGW does not explain any phenomena in a simpler manner than the earlier models. Mostly AGW does not really explain anything, and tends to try to bury real history, like Mann trying to eliminate the Little Ice Age.
Of course global warming is real. It’s just that there is no empirical evidence that humans have any measurable part in that warming. We can observe plate tectonics.
And we can observe cyclical weather patterns, too.
Regional temperature charts show this pattern. They show it is not any warmer today than it was in the recenct past, i.e., we are not experiencing unprecedented warmth today due to CO2 or anything else because we are not experiencing unprecedented warmth.
Those cyclical patterns take place in the real world, but not in a computer simulation where the cyclical part is fraudulently removed, as in the instrument-era Hockey Stick charts, where we just get “hotter and hotter” and “hottest year evah!”.
Wasn’t there a steep temperature rise from 1690 – 1790 far greater than anything since the 1850s? Further evidence that nothing particularly remarkable has been happening presently.
The CO2 hypothesis has been falsified by several pieces of empirical evidence. Just two: the Vostok ice-core data, which show that temperature always changes before atmospheric CO2, and the cooling trend between 1940 and 1980.
why are we even bothering with this dross?
Don’t forget the amplification caused by all that humid air the CO2-induced warming was supposed to produce. It has been looked for but not found. I think it all just turns into rain like Willis explains.
Tom,
For the false chemical cancer scare, author Edith Efron wrote 590 pages in “The Apocalyptics” a 1984 book about this, all clearly referenced and with many original quotes.
It has much relevance for those studying the conduct of belief-based science funded by government. It was invaluable for me as a guide to what was in store from global warming. Even has some of the same characters.
I have it. She could have written it in a bit better format, but the illustrations of bureaucratic bafflegab as formal policy are classic. The model the advocates were using was untestable, by their own definition.
Geoff,
The State of California has determined that EVERYTHING causes cancer; everything, that is, except large, inept government bureaucracies that smother people in their beds, expose them to infectious diseases or drive them to suicide with endless, inane regulations and edicts designed to stifle liberty and prosperity!
Oh, I almost forgot to thank our federal government for the low-fat food pyramid, that has lead to the explosion in adult diabetes, as fat was removed from processed foods and replaced with sugar! It’s a good thing that no one designed a virus to attack those with insulin resistance at their ACE-2 receptors; that could be deadly to lots of people afflicted with comorbidities from poor diet and exercise regimes!
The best thing one can do for one’s health is to get your weight under control.
Excess body fat causes numerous problems for the body.
One good thing about it is “all” it takes is self-discipline. You don’t need a doctor or medications for this. You just have to be able to control yourself. Which is easier said than done, I know, but still, it’s doable if you want good health badly enough.
“all” it takes is self-discipline
A trait greatly lacking in society today, especially in the US.
Yes, self-discipline is sadly lacking in many people. It’s the cause of a lot of our problems.
Universal military service would probably fix that problem to a great extent. I would advocate something like this, and say a civilian corp for those who don’t want to be in the military. But a year or two of military/civilian corp service would do an 18-year-old kid a world of good. The military life will make you grow up fast, in a good way. It did it for me.
I don’t expect universal service in the United States considering our politics. Israel does quite well with it, though.
All that is required to control your weight is to replace carbs with fats.
Humans have been eating animal fat for millions of years. Those ancestors that couldn’t process it got sick and died many generations ago.
In contrast, high carb diets are relatively new. We are still killing off the people genetically unable to handle them.
Why were high carb diets rare in the past? Because carbs don’t grow in winter. In many temperate areas they are available only a few months of the year.
Animal fats and proteins in contrast can be harvested year round.
Yes, I let myself get out of control weight-wise at one time, and I went on an Atkins diet, where you can eat all the animal fat you want, and lost about 40 pounds in a few months. I never was hungry.
The Atkins diet worked for me, but anyone who is thinking about dieting should check with their doctor first.
Happily, I manage to maintain a decent weight now so that was the only diet I ever tried.
And another thing: A lot of the “fast food” we eat has a lot of chemicals in them for use as preservatives that appear to cause weight gain and other health risks. Some fast food joints are now advertising that they are taking these chemicals out of their products.
I saw a display maybe two years ago where a woman had placed a McDonald’s hamburger, opened up so you could see the inside of both buns, and french fries on a plate and covered it with a transparent cover and it was sitting on her desk and looked like she had just purchased them a few minutes ago.
But it turns out the hamburger and fries were over two years old! Now think about what it would take to make a hamburger and fries appear fresh for two years. What did they put in there? Even the pickle looked fresh!
The solution: More homecooking. 🙂
The state of california has deemed that my son’s “cancer preventing” firefighting gear could cause cancer. We got a good laugh at that label…
Little Mikey, born 1965, and Bill Nye, the Sighin’ Guy, 1955, might not survive John Christy, 1951, Judith Curry, 1953, Joe Bastardi and Roy Spencer, 1955, Willie Soon, 1966, or Nir Shaviv, 1972.
I wonder, Michael Mann is a scientist ?
Worse than I thought.
Michael Mann hasn’t done any science at all since his work on lanthanide ceramics in the early 1990’s.
Isn’t he a hockey player?
No he is a sport equipment manufacturer.
You have to follow the scientific method to be a scientist… So, no. Michael Mann is NOT a scientist.
I’m so sick & tired of this fake ‘scientist’ and the attention the MSM gives him.
Please, it’s not “the science”, it’s “The Science”. Most of us know it as the Church of Climastrology.
Bill Nay the Science, uh, Guy is looking pretty old himself. Of course his funeral won’t have any effect on science, just on The Science. The execrable Michael Mann’s funeral likewise.
New cult religions rarely outlive their founders. If the next couple of decades revisit the 50s, 60s, and 70s weather, that alone will advance true science by finally proving that the mild warming was beneficial and in no way dangerous.
Scientism. Lots of recent articles about science vs scientism.
Yes, technically. But that doesn’t adequately ridicule the morons or emphasize the faith-based aspect like the Church of Climastrology does, so I’ll stick with that.
Actually, seeing as we’re arguing terminology, I prefer sciencery, as in: “Climastrologists deploy sciencery*”
*Sciencery: n.v.adj. The magical ability to prove anything you get funding for. For a fee, a sciencer can make any product or service walk on a cloud of scienciness, turning the most useless or dangerous brainfart into an urgent imperative to save mankind from (insert scary story here).
But in the end, Nye is a Hollywood Hero, untouchable and above criticism, and for that magic I have only one explanation. At the risk of alienating everyone, I offer the following sideways glance at Hollywood magic and the very strange people tasked with talking at us on teevee.
https://greenpets.co.za/index.php/en/paranoid-goy/210-satanic-priest
Off topic, no climate, only terrified wonder. Slightly dated, written before The Plandemic, how was I to know they already have a plan to keep us “sheltering in place” voluntarily, or that depeleted uranium bombs can be replaced by a stock market so overvalued that we need a Great Reset?
Climate Scientology
A close second as far as ridicule is concerned, but I’ll wager that more people know what astrology is, that it makes baseless predictions and is a completely erroneous superstition vs what people know about the Scientology cult. So again, I’ll stick with the Church of Climastrology.
Well, now, I’ve known a few astrologers over the years, and at least a couple of them actually did the math to determine just where all of the “influences” were at the time, and used a rigid methodology to interpret said influences.
Now, their predictions weren’t worth much more than the daily horoscopes syndicated to the newspapers, but at least they didn’t play with their numbers to get the answers they wanted. Honestly deluded people I can deal with.
(Format edited. Again.)
Well sure. And don’t our Climastrologers often (ok, sometimes) deploy faultless calculations (only founded on baseless assumptions)?
I’m not sure either is accurate. Scientology and Astrology get things right far more often…
you win!
Global average temperature (I know it is an oxymoron) is running slightly below its 30 year average so far this year. It snowed in China and South Korea this week. Joe Bastardi is forecasting a cold May for the U.S. How will the alarmist spin the cold? Or, will we see significant data manipulation.
Simple, it’s weather. The truth can also serve the liar.
“New cult religions rarely outlive their founders.”
I dunno. L. Ron Hubbard is cold in his grave, but Scientology marched on, ruining thousands of lives while taking in millions $.
Free Tom Cruise!
Check the definition of rarely for an explanation. I choose to be hopeful based on the odds.
but it’s not happening fast enough.” thats not a very nice thing to say Mr nye.
Calling people climate deniers Mr nye just shows how desperate people like you are, on the one hand your insinuating people you label climate deniers are holocaust deniers ,care to substantiate that? On the other hand you won’t debate the climate science ” the science is settled ” well isn’t that convenient for you, I don’t know one climate denier I have never met one, heard one or read anything by one, I do know plenty of climate as in global warming deniers ,I’ve met them, heard them and read lots by them .
Mr nye you practice childish misinformation games.
I don’t agree mann is a climate scientist, I believe he is a manipulator of data to follow a agenda.
Unlike you Mr nye I offer you a open invitation to debate with me here the lie of global warming, you can pick a referee if you wish.
“On the other hand you won’t debate the climate science ” the science is settled ” well isn’t that convenient for you”
That says it all.
Bill Nye does not want to debate about the Earth’s climate, he wants all of us to just accept that the science is settled and no more argument is required.
Of course, skeptics know nothing has been settled and say so on a daily basis, and alamists like Bill Nye are challenged every day to provide some evidence for their climate claims, and since they have no evidence, they resort to trying to shut the skeptics up and hope they pass away soon.
Bill, as long as you can’t produce any evidence for your climate claims, there are going to be people who are skeptical of your claims.
And it’s not just old people who are skeptics. I asked a high school kid about climate change not too long ago. I didn’t know anything about how he looked at the subject, which is why I asked, and he told me he thought Human-caused climate change was a scam, even though the alarmist message is taught at his high school (and everywhere else).
So you will be waiting a long time for all the skeptics to pass away, Bill.
Try as they might, it’s not possible to eliminate common sense. It’s how the species has survived.
Agreed I know a few younger than me who don’t buy into it.i also know a few older than me who do buy into the climate lie , its a simple equation, they watch and don’t read ,there ability to research is there, but would rather watch the box and soak it all up, it saddens me to see folk who I once admired fall for this crap, it angers me that when you point them in the right direction , its excuses or can’t be bothered , so who are the real denialists !
“so who are the real denialists !”
Of course, the alarmists are the denialists. They deny reality,becaused reality doesn’t show any Human-caused Climate Change, despite alarmist claims.
You got it Tom😉
“it’s not happening fast enough” clearly suggests to me a desire for “deniers” to die. Sick, but not surprising.
Yes its sick, but on a par with desperate.
When someone points out that I’m a denier I remind them that puts me in the good company of Galileo and Copernicus. I’m also railing against a dogmatic religion- environmentalism.
Plus the Lutheran Kepler, and martyr Bruno.
I’m young enough to likely outlive that ecofascist – and the whole catastrophist circus.
There is actually a rather large group of young non believers who openly lampoon it worse than anything you will see on WUWT. You see that even in supposedly green strong holds like Germany with people like Naomi Seibt and her supporters. There are even German interior worries that climate change may become a lightning rod for clashes between left and right groups of youth.
I see that YouTube has deleted all of Naomi Seibt’s climate realist videos and her entire YouTube channel!
She had some strong opinions about covid-19 and that’s probably the real reason!
She has a website though that they cannot delete (I hope) naomiseibt.com
Naomi is only 20.
The Dictators of the Internet at work again.
Yes lots of YouTube channels in the UK gone or suspended.
If you can deny the evidence that co2 lags temperature by hundreds of years, you can deny anything.
“Nye calls these the $10 trillion questions, because climate deniers are so “dug in” to their beliefs, which only makes it harder to convince them of what the science suggests”
This sounds more like he is describing the CAGW clowns!
What belief does a skeptic have? Skeptics require that people prove the claims they make, otherwise, they are skeptical of the validity of the claims.
One belief skeptics have is that alarmists have not made the case that humans are causing the Earth’s climate to change in a measureable way. Skeptics *are* dug into that belief. That would be because alarmists have produced no evidence supporting their case that humans are changing the climate, even though they have been trying for many decades.
All Bill would have to do to solve this problem from his point of view, would be to provide just one little bit of evidence to show humans are causing the climate to change outside its normal range. The skeptics would no longer be skeptical, were he to do that. He can’t do that though, so he whines about skeptics holding his feet to the fire.
One little bit of evidence, Bill. That’s all it would take. And you don’t have it.
There is another old saying that relates to the green elites. “The higher the monkey climbs the pole the more you can see its ass”
Thank you, Stevek, that made me laugh…and I need to laugh today.
Regards,
Bob
LOL 🙂
The other day I thought of an original (I think) witty (I hope) aphorism. “Science uses funding to generate data, modelling use other people’s data to generate funding.” It seemed witter when I was half asleep.
“Mann began studying quantum mechanics as an undergraduate at the University of California, Berkeley, with majors in physics and applied math. When he began work as a graduate student at Yale University, Mann said he was “lured away” from the physics department because there were still opportunities for young scientists to make “substantial contributions” at the forefront of climate studies.”
Oh really, lured away to climate studies because he thought there was room for him to make a “substantial contribution” eh? More likely he couldn’t handle the maths in quantum mechanics and jumped ship before he flunked out! It is no secret that his grasp of maths is famously poor. He and Nye are totally repulsive human beings and have a lot to answer for.
More than likely he saw a opportunity to take a substantial contribution. 🤑
The operational keyword is ‘began’. He never finished it.
Unfortunately for climate science, the really clever cookies did not allow themselves to be ‘lured away’ from real science.
Pamela,
Nye and Mann are two scoundrels cut from the same cloth! They didn’t have the ability to advance far in their fields, so they jumped on the opportunity bandwagon by becoming shills for GangGreen and the Church of Climastrology!
They both acquired some notoriety and gelt by selling their integrity; that makes them mere presstitutes!
Was Mann wearing his rat suit, or was that the other Bill Nye production? Can’t see how either of these fools matter to anyone but media hacks.
The most stupid thing that I have ever come across and subjected to with impunity ever forevah;
“Mann began studying quantum mechanics….”
That guy and quantum, ether in principia, physics or mechanics of it all in quantum,
do not ever ever belong in the same Universe or same reality…
The antithesis of quantum is known to be named as;
Mann, the Mann, the stupid one… beyond any measurments of believe… too stupid!
Eric,
you got to understand,
that at some point in time you got to pay for all this schist…
🙂
So my wife keeps telling me…
Eric,
He has a wife too… you know!
🧐
👇✌:p
sheers
Well Bill, hurry up.
Climate science will make a paradigm shift on the day of Mann’s funeral.
On the day of Bill’s own funeral nothing will happen. Nothing will improve but equally nothing will get worse either. He is just without consequence.
The world will improve when Bill Nye the Antiscience Guy goes to his reward. Or consequences.
I don’t know why Mann and Nye are still contributing with emissions, even pulmonary ones.
Did you mean nocturnal emissions?
these are dangerous people.
“What can I do about climate change,” Nothing its the climate. If you want to reduce the use of coal and oil support Nuclear power.
“What can be done to convince someone who’s a climate denier?” The same way you convince anyone of anything. Show them the cold, hard evidence. Use the list of predictions made since 1988. As soon as one comes true use that.
They like to think they’re the Rebel Alliance. But really they’re the Galactic Empire.
So a lot of sceptics are a bit old. Big deal. It means that neither climate change nor these draconian measures they are putting in place to “fight” it will have a large effect on us. It is the young, many of whom are agitating for Net Zero, who will suffer, not from the climate change they fear, but by the wreck of the West they will reap by the policies they sow.
There are plenty of young skeptics. But they grew up in a world where the easiest way to get into trouble in school is to express an unauthorised opinion.
There is a good reason why most skeptics are long in the tooth; we are not dependent on grants or salaries. We are effectively immune from the underhanded tactics of the Woke. Yes, DeSmogBlog can call us names and vilify our reputations and accomplishments but they can’t have us fired from retirement!
yet
Also, Pamela, they really hadn’t got started on the designer-brain dumbing down when we went to school. I began to see its clumbsy steps when my children were in school. Today, I make a point of telling grandchildren the main lies and propaganda that they need to navigate through.
Einstein also had trouble convincing his peers that space and time are mutable, until the day Einstein famously received a telegram, from British scientists who had conducted an expedition to an island off the west coast of Africa, to view a total solar eclipse. The purpose of the expedition was to test Einstein’s prediction that stars which appeared close to the sun during the eclipse would be slightly out of position, because star light skimming close to the sun would be bent by the sun’s gravity.
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That must have being the day of the Einstein’s experimental result or conclusion.
With the very impressive outcome;
“Whole this schist is a big huge frackup,
no chance whatsoever,
all this guys fracked completely in their minds beyond any believe,
too stupid, for even their own comfort,
envious at the best, and full prone to ugliness of vanity,
not even able or capable of doing simple math and simple physics…
‘God help us all.”
Einstein. :u
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OK Bill Nye, if we can’t burn fossil fuels anymore, you stop doing it first. Let us know in a couple of years how it’s going. And imagine the cynicism of a few CEOs who provide a product that people want to use at a price they’re willing to pay. What cynicism!
Good point. Nye should do the experiment. Get all the wind generators, solar panels and batteries to fully power his own house. Off the grid. It’ll be cheap and reliable, right? Bill?
Fixed it.
You’re welcome
> <i>The only definitive way to see significant action to prevent climate change is to simply wait for deniers and contrarians to “age out,” according to Nye.</i>
Prevent? King Canute of Nye reigns supreme!
Agreed the world would be a better place if both of them shuffled off the mortal coil
Not till they have been tried for treason to mankind.
Whatever. It just emphasizes their inability to persuade people who have lots of experience at life and can think for themselves. When I’m dead it won’t be my problem so unless they want to actively shorten my life heres a big ole Bill The Cat ‘ACK! Pftpftpftpft!’
Idiot. If anyone is the denier, that ie the possibility of other possibilities it is Bill Nye who does not follow science protocols.
Is he talking about Uncle Joe at this point?
I see Bill’s cerebral ischemia is still progressing. He really needs to loosen that bowtie.
Barry Marshall actually gave himself an ulcer by swallowing a testtubeful of h. pylori, and then proceeded to cure it with antibiotics.
Now THAT’S dedication to science!
Nye has spent most of his years as a comedian. It helps when one is born with funny (odd) looks. Why would anyone take this comedian serious? What? You are part of the crowd who gets their “News” from Late Night comedians?
Bill Nye the Science Lie…er.
I wouldn’t be too hard on Bill Nye. I don’t think he’s smart enough to understand what he’s saying.
Prof. Fritz Haber did not wait for them to die off naturally. He carried campus consensus to a pathological degree as Einstein said.
What does this smarmy, smug wannabe not get about being a tropical creature stuck in an Ice Age!? I thought he was Canadian; where the Great White North tests the very limits of human ability to survive harsh environments!
He and Mickey Mann should prove how well adapted they are for temperate climates by hiking along the US/Canada border this winter in their knickers! To test the null hypothesis, I am looking for a grant to tour the Caribbean at the same time with the Swedish Bikini Team. Many of it’s members have just as much right to call themselves scientists as Billy and the Mickster!
I foresee many long evenings of Texas Hold’em!
The Collegian: Go to the showers boys.
The sooner the Climate Liars die, the better off humanity will be.
Persuading more people they are wrong will be enough.
It is very difficult to get someone to admit they were wrong. Especially when their ego and income depends on it. It is far better to convince them that warmer is a better choice than colder. Not that warmer is right and colder is wrong but simply a better choice. Letting them change their position by choice allows them to save face and gives them an out from their incorrect position.
Tom, better to convince them that the West can shut down all fossil fuel burning and destroy our economies and our health and we still will be seeing CO2 rise apace with hundreds of new coal fired plants coming on stream in China, India, the rest of Asia and Africa, which together make up ~6/7ths of world population and they are just beginning the march to prosperity. Include quadrupling cement, steel, aluminum, mining, manufacturing, construction…. we are going to know to several decimal places the climate sensitivity of a doubling of CO2 with this huge experiment.
They won’t be convinced by facts. You don’t sell the steak, you sell the sizzle. So far the sizzle they have been selling is warming will kill us all. We need to change THAT narrative. You will convert more people with how good it is to be warmer. Once they are open to accepting that, then you can give them the facts as to why.
If the enemy hands you a weapon…
Semantic games. Em-pathetic appeals. Cultural appropriations… inheritance. Science practiced outside of limited frame of reference. Conflation of logical domains.
The original denial, in progress, with a forward-looking objective, is of life deemed unworthy of life, her profitable parts, her carbon pollutants, and its evolution to deny individual dignity and individual conscience in color blocs (e.g. racist designations), with color quotas, and affirmative discrimination.
That said, save the birds, the bats, whack a wind turbine. Clear he Green Blight of intermittent/renewables and sustainable environmental pollution. Follow the pride parade with unplanned cubs, and frosted, sometimes foundering pups.
The end is Nye (sic). Donate to World Walrus Foundation.
It was the young who suffered under the consensus enforcement of the aether theory in physics.
That is not an “old saying” it was comment made by Max Planck to the effect that physicists circa 1910 or so would not accept modern physics — “Physics advances one funeral at a time.”
So does medicine. I am in the midst of a situation that could have cost me my life.
I was suspected to have RA. Although my RA factor is under ten, my anti-CCP markers are elevated. I had been taking Methotrexate for 6 years in the hope of warding off full blown RA. As the years went by my Rheumatologist suspected that it wasn’t RA but rather a chronic bacterial infection in my left wrist. I showed no other signs of RA anywhere else not even the joints adjacent to the wrist. He supported his new diagnosis with published papers and his own research. Unfortunately his diagnosis was against VA protocol and he was not able to start treatment before he retired. He did give me the medical journal papers on this subject and advised me to use them to convince his replacement to look at his diagnosis. When the new Rheumatologist came on board 7 months later she immediately insisted I start on Humira because I “had classic signs of RA”. I informed her that I had stopped taking my RA medicine 8 months prior and still showed no signs of RA anywhere other that the left wrist. She said I was uninformed. I did insist and she finally relented and allowed me to speak with an infectious disease doctor. This ID doctor knew my previous Rheumy and trusted his diagnosis. An MRI showed a large mass in the wrist. The ID doc sent me to a hand surgeon to schedule a debridement and culture of what ever was in my wrist. After the surgery the surgeon told me “it didn’t look good in there”, “the mass was not caused by RA” and he suspected cancer. Cancer was subsequently ruled out and it took 7 weeks for the culture to grow. The culture grew Bacterium Intracellure also known as MAC. MAC is a rather nasty set of bacteria that usually cause pulmonary infection and rarely, extremely rarely goes into a wrist joint. It is very difficult to kill. I now will start triple antibiotics for 8-12 months. Not looking forward to that and I hope I can tolerate the meds long enough for them to be successful.
Had I gone on Humira, the infection would have most likely spread over my entire body and I would be one of those whose funeral may have taught the new Rheumy a valuable lesson and advanced her knowledge but at my expense. Fortunately two experienced doctors went against standard protocols and actually treated me as an individual. I am eternally grateful to those two doctors for probably saving my life.
I find it cute how you think that doctor would have learned anything from your demise. As a matter of fact, the New Science (sciencery) would demand she immediately write a paper on how hard she worked to disabuse you of some unproven claptrap your old, useless, unmodern old-fart-doctor poured into your ingnorant head. “Unfortunatly,” she would add, “it was too late for patient (insert your bank account number here).”
A very sobering story. Thanks, and good luck.
TY.
Just an editing note, the bacteria is called Mycobacterium Intrascellure.
Yes, you have to be your own doctor.
I would be curious to know what the doctor who insisted you had RA now thinks about your condition. Has she learned a little humility?
In my experience, doctors who already don’t listen to their patients rarely learn much of anything.
And being this is the VA, I have learned to advocate for myself if I want to stay healthy.
This diagnosis was confirmed only two weeks ago. I have not communicated with the Rheumatologist but the ID doc will.
Tom. After a dosage of strong antibiotics, eat some yogurt. One effect of antibiotics is the killing off of good bacteria along with the bad. Thank God you ran into a good doctor for the real diagnosis. Take care.
Thanks. I am very aware of the consequences of long term use of antibiotics. In this case I will be taking Azithromycn 500 mg/day, Ethambutol 1600 mg/day and Rifampin 600 mg/day. I will also have to up my prebiotic regime in order to keep the good gut bacteria well feed.
Yeah, Nye’s metaphor makes no sense at all. I guess he just wanted a segue into wishing people dead.
The art of ‘word-rigging’ has been perfected to apply to all aspects of our lives. From Climate Denier to Anti-Vaxxer to White Privilege to Islamophobe to…. the list is long. The strategy of Terrify-Divide-Conquer is hard at work.
Bill Nye would have made a very good agent in the Matrix movie series, taking out “obsolete” programs.
He actually features in the latest version of “matrix”.
Oh well, that for libtards.
Is a 2020 scienca-aficionada movie specifically tailored for libtards, the very libtard version of matrix.
But for the best of me, can not even recall the title of that movie.
Leally thorry.
(side note… watch carefully, very carefully that spell checker in your smartyphone.)
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Bill Nye is too stupid to realize that the saying applies to people like him and his ilk. It took someone this mechanical engineer hates to see that the earth revolves around the sun, that the miasma theory was wrong, and that plate tectonics is a real thing. I could list more, but the point is made.
Has it occurred to Bill Nye that belief in CAGW could also diminish one funeral at a time?
The Science:
Anything the far-left have to say.
Neither Bill Nye nor Michael Mann merit the classification as “scientist” since neither has properly used the “scientific method”, which has as its core presenting objective data that supports any hypothesis.
The hockey stick (shtick) . . . good grief!
Of course, the above is only my humble opinion, so please both of you “acclaimed scientists” don’t sue me . . . which the Web documents you both have a propensity to do.
It is fraud for PennState to have a political activist directing the earth system science center. The conflict of interest is displayed proudly and openly.
Nye runs Carl Sagans “Planetary Society,” Dr. Sagan is bound to be spinning in his grave. This goes against everything I learned growing up reading his books and watching Cosmos.
Nah, Sagan went to The Dark Side well before he shuffled off. I think it’s the Dark Matter that did him in…
Nye and Mann- horrible people. Lying to forward an evil agenda which is purely political. I’ll be glad to craft the tombstones. ” No longer lying- even though he’s lying”.
Bill Nye the Non-science Guy, blinded by his own ignorance and hate! Unfortunately pretty typical for the Hollywood type (there are exceptions of course).
Sounds like Mann has been holding up lots of progress. Is that whose funeral we should look forward to?
If you really want to convince people, what about starting by being civil to them? A beginning would be to stop using the ridiculously false characterization of CAGW skeptics as “climate deniers” and attempting to lump them in with Holocaust deniers. Start by not throwing around sneering insults and then we can talk. I’m not holding my breath.
No, if you don’t agree with an alamist, then they can’t be civil to you. It’s their way, or the highway, as far as they are concerned. Are they unreasonable? Answer: Yes.
What a despicable person Nye has become. It’s sad really.
The problem with any of them presenting evidence is they don’t understand what scientific evidence is. They think you can manipulate raw data so that it will produce what you believe it should produce, then feed that into unproven models is evidence. Well it is sort of evidence – evidence of the ignorance and possible stupidity of the people claiming it is scientific evidence.
I hope I make it to the year 2030 so I can listen to all their excuses on why the Earth didn’t end as predicted.
The current doomsday predictors will be retired, the way James Hansen was retired, and a bunch of new doomsday predictors will arise, who will deny culpability for past failed predictions.
This is why early career researchers in their mid-to-late 30s always seem to make predictions 30-40 years out. The classic one being fusion power commercialized in 40 years. Each new generation returns to that proven formula for job security.
Similarly, politicians who are limited to 8 years in office, introduce laws that provide benefits to constituents immediately and push the unpopular and unworkable aspects that supposedly make the plan affordable out 9 or 10 years.
Even Nye knows that climate change is o ly a theory. He states that science suggests it. Science use to suggest the earth was flat or that the earth was the centre of the solar system. These were all theories that were later disprovef.science even suggested that when a nuke went off the atmosphere could catch fire and burn off. Didn’t happen. We know the earth has been 3 C warmer in the past and it didn’t destroy anything.
Bill Nye the Ass Clown Guy….
Quote: “because starlight skimming close to the sun would be bent by the sun’s gravity.”
Officially a light photon has a mass, even though so tiny that scientists have not been able to calculate its magnitude. An innocent question: Why it is according to Einstein’s physics that the Sun’s gravity force has an effect on the photon mass. I think that it was Newton who invented the law of gravity.
How sure are you that Einstein claimed a force effect of gravity on a photon, in the proposition of mass?
just asking!
The climate change proponents will all die off at the same rate as the deniers wont they? So who wins in the end? Or are the chicken little catastrophics immune from death because they believe their science is settled and can’t be challenged.
A bit like prove to me god does/doesn’t exist. Here I have a model that shows me he does, I don’t have any real data that supports the model. If and when the real data disagrees, the model is right, to hell with the real observation data.
It’s their science and its more right because they say so!
I used to say living gives you cancer, seems everything else causes climate change.
I am not sure how many of Sagan´s bullshit detection points are triggered here (attacking and insulting the opponent in a discussion rather than addressing fact based critiques), but Mann´s work starts at the beginning, we can talk about his 2nd or 3rd paper after all problems with the first (the 1998 hockey stick) is addressed.
The statistics used there givestoo much weight on few (and questionable) proxies, Mann knew that and lied about it.. a true denier of science since more than 20 years!
If he cared about climate science, every day since then he could have corrected that paper, but so far he didnt, he should be laughed out of town!
Nye should ponder the fact that the old saying “science proceeds by one funeral at a time” also applies to climate alarmists.
The saying refers to a contrarian view not getting traction until the recalcitrant heads of the field die, allowing the new views to become wildly read. Whether they end up being accepted or not is supposed to be due to the science, not the death.
These clowns butcher everything.
Bill Nye…
…the latter day Malthus guy
Here’s Nye torching the planet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjXxAVayBEY
CAGW cultists simply need to show their hypothetical projections match reality for their hypothesis to be taken seriously.
Fortunately, the CAGW hypothesis has already been completely disconfirmed based on the huge disparity between hypothetical projections vs. reality.
Unfortunately, since CAGW is already a disconfirmed hypothesis, CAGW cultists have to constantly “adjust” datasets upwards to assure the disparity doesn’t exceed projections by 2 SDs for a statistically significant duration so as to prevent their cargo cult from being laughed at…
There is a hilariously huge disparity between UAH6.0 and HADCRUT/JISTEMP/RSS datasets which will only increase as more raw data “adjustments” are concocted to keep the hoax and the $trillions of government spending on CAGW humming along…
So, the only way to truly end CAGW is for honest scientists to adhere to the scientific method and toss this steaming pile of BS on the compost heap of failed ideas.
Don’t you love being lectured to by Bill Nye. The Voice of Authority. What a joke!
Amazing how the planet changed and changed over millions of years and yet here we are, stupid people who think they can control everything while being unaware of anything.
taking advice from bill nye? the guy who’s confused about male or female? nahhh
Bill Nye, “The Science Guy,” exemplifies the modern misunderstanding of “science.”
Science is about questions, not answers.
Science advances by questioning the current consensus of the established experts of the current day.
Unlike religion real science never provides permanent answers. Never provides answers which may not be questioned.
“Climate Science is”, he says, “to be believed.” Never questioned; like a religious creed.
The only definitive way to see significant action to prevent climate change is to simply wait for deniers and contrarians to “age out,” according to Nye.
A similar argument was used during the 1st Brexit vote in the UK. The ‘remainers’ argued that if the age of voting had been lowered they would have won. So they argued for a 2nd Brexit vote because the old ‘right wing’ Brexiteers will have died out and there will be more young people to vote the UK to stay in the EU Collective. The 2nd vote was even more in favour of leaving the EU collective. So there is hope?
Has it ever occurred to them perhaps the truth is just one funeral away.
This smacks of brain washing the young to accept their plans without question and to replace the older skeptics who would like to see a little proof please.
Once upon a not so long ago time published, peer reviewed, main stream, scientific consensus included:
phlogiston,
caloric,
luminiferous ether,
spontaneous generation,
water filled Martian canals,
planet Vulcan,
medical humors,
four elements of matter,
cold fusion……..
And they all turned up wrong.
RGHE theory is going to join them.
Here’s Nye at his ‘hilarious’ best.
Boy, that ole science guy just keeps the profanity coming! Rappers ain’t got nuttin’ on Mr Sweary Mary. He could off a coppa, an’ run home laffin’. Still only 64, but a sharp motherf****r fo’ real!
And watch ‘im dance!
Umm umm! My my Nye. Showin’ the young folks like it is. Readyin’ ’em t’go ‘up against the wall with the pigs in the street. FU! FU! FU! Go, go granpappy!
Far, far away. North Korea?
I know a funeral that would help science.
A nice glimpse behind the curtain.
Evidence ? We don’ need no stinkin’ evidence . We’re scientists.
Nowhere in the article does Bill Nye note that the reason for the slower progression of funerals is due directly to the use of fossil fuels.
Nye is right.
What is taking him so darn long to kick the frickin bucket already?
“but it’s not happening fast enough.”
So how do you propose to speed it up Billy you bowtied bumpkin.
I think the FBI need to have a chat with that boy,
Who’s the bigger loser? Is it Mann because he lost a lawsuit be default when he refused to submit his data to the court? Or is it Bill Nye the Science Guy because he has to attach himself to Mann to get some notice?
“Perhaps if Mann and Nye presented evidence that global warming is causing a significant problem, more people would accept their claim we are currently experiencing a climate crisis.”
I think it is equally important to present evidence that CO2 is a controlling knob of temperature. We are coming out of the little ice age so of course there is on average global warming. The data over the centuries show that CO2 excess follows temperature, how can it control it?
Anyway, the next ice age is inexorably coming, lets hope the alarmists will also pass away by that time, so that humanity can have some heat and underground cities to face it.
Science would achieve significant progress after Bill Nye’s funeral.
“Aging out” may have a different effect than Nye & Mann anticipate.
Much of the “consensus” that exists regarding climate science in academia is enforced through the transparent knowledge that promoting any research that is in conflict with the consensus narrative is a career killer. But as people approach the end of their careers and are no longer in fear of being fired, they will be more willing to speak out about the bad science that supports the approved narrative, or the suppressed science that threatens it.
So until they get honest-to-goodness gulags to physically isolate any potential non-conformists, they’ll never be rid of the problem.