UK cold weather: River Thames freezes over for first time in 60 years – PICTURED

From the UK Express

THE RIVER THAMES in London froze over for the first time in 60 years as temperatures plummeted overnight.

By STEVEN BROWN

BBC Weather: UK set for freezing temperatures and snow

For the first time since 1963, parts of the River Thames were frozen over as witnesses spotted seagulls perching on the icy surface in Teddington. The River Great Ouse in Cambridgeshire was also frozen over leaving boats stuck.

It comes as temperatures dropped to below 0C in parts of England.

In Ravensworth, North Yorkshire, temperatures plummeted to -15.3C last night as the UK braced for up to four inches of snow and 50mph gales today.

In Newcastle, families woke up to the city blanketed by snow with the wintry weather also hitting parts of northeast Scotland as well as coastal regions in northeast England.

The Met Office has issued several warnings for snow showers across Scotland with up to 3cm forecast to fall across Angus and Aberdeenshire.

River Thames frozen for the first time in 60 years

River Thames frozen for the first time in 60 years (Image: Tony Kershaw/SWNS)

Seagulls seen on the ice after Thames freezes

Seagulls seen on the ice after Thames freezes (Image: Tony Kershaw/SWNS)

The weather warning read: “Further snow showers, most frequent on Friday night across Angus and Aberdeenshire, becoming fewer and lighter on Saturday morning.

“Fresh accumulations of 1 to 3cm are expected, but locally 5 to 10cm over higher ground of northeast Scotland.

“In addition, icy stretches will form as any partially melted snow refreezes, especially at lower levels.”

The freezing weather comes as 15 weather stations in Britain recorded their lowest temperature ever for February overnight on Wednesday.

Full article here.

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Rod Evans
February 13, 2021 2:18 am

If it wasn’t for all this global warming, we would be freezing over here….oh, we are.

Vuk
Reply to  Rod Evans
February 13, 2021 2:31 am

I’ve told you so, nearly a month ago
“What are the Implications?Very cold February in the North hemisphere“.
See rest of discussion @:
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/01/18/the-stratosphere-has-warmed-profoundly-this-month-what-are-the-implications/

Scissor
Reply to  Vuk
February 13, 2021 6:20 am

Nice photos!

I can tell that it’s colder here in Colorado based on people’s dress. My fish pond is frozen over more than I have ever seen. There is one tiny hole in the ice where flow from the circulation pump meets the surface. It’s -20C here this morning but will be even colder tomorrow.

Interestingly, the current Arctic sea ice extent is at or greater than it was in 1974 and the maximum probably lies ahead.

http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/icecover.uk.php

Stephen Philbrick
Reply to  Scissor
February 13, 2021 7:09 am

I’m not following. Looks to me like it is near the 2012 low.

Scissor
Reply to  Stephen Philbrick
February 13, 2021 7:27 am

That’s the thing, it’s no different than 1974 or was even lower then. Climate alarmists are cherry pickers.

I’m talking about the maximum ice extent.

Last edited 8 months ago by Scissor
Stephen Philbrick
Reply to  Scissor
February 13, 2021 7:44 am

I don’t disagree that climate alarmists are cherry pickers, but the current extent is roughly a million square kilometers below the “average” for this date. I don’t have the 1974 values, but so what?

Reply to  Stephen Philbrick
February 13, 2021 8:04 am

Lake Michigan is frozen over. Does that count?

Stephen Philbrick
Reply to  Michael Moon
February 13, 2021 8:42 am

Not if the question is about arctic ice extent

fred250
Reply to  Stephen Philbrick
February 13, 2021 11:40 am

Current sea ice level is above the 15 year mean

….. and FAR HIGHER than the 10,000 year normal

Yes, late 1970s was an extreme high, up with the LIA.

Do you think that extreme high level of sea ice is in any way beneficial to anything ?

Stephen Philbrick
Reply to  fred250
February 13, 2021 5:36 pm

Can you provide a source? That doesn’t match the link in this thread, not the main ones linked at this site

PCman999
Reply to  fred250
February 13, 2021 11:04 pm

Yes, exactly : if we lived in a sane society we would be cheering on a warming climate and the health benefits that would bring.

Chris Nisbet
Reply to  Michael Moon
February 13, 2021 12:04 pm

Silly question. Why doesn’t this show up in the NSIDC arctic ice extent images? Does their coverage not extend that far south?

ironargonaut
Reply to  Stephen Philbrick
February 13, 2021 9:30 am

What does “average” got to do with two points in time. You can’t tell me the bath water has been heating up for the last 40 years when it is just as cold now as it was 40 yrs ago. If ice extent is your thermometer then the same applies to artic. You either retain energy or you don’t. If what you are measuring doesn’t show that, you can not claim energy has been retained.

Bindidon
Reply to  ironargonaut
February 14, 2021 1:56 pm

ironargonaut

” You can’t tell me the bath water has been heating up for the last 40 years when it is just as cold now as it was 40 yrs ago. ”

Sorry, comparing start and end points is not very meaningful.

You can do the same when looking at the UAH6.0 LT time series, see e.g. 0.25 somewhere at the beginning, and the same value somewhere at the end, and pretend that nothing changed.

But nonetheless, there was in between a temperature increase of 0.14 °C / decade.

To underline this has nothing to do with alarmism. It is simply correct.

J.-P. D.

Scissor
Reply to  Stephen Philbrick
February 14, 2021 5:33 am

Parkinson and Cavalieri, ARCTIC SEA ICE 1973-1987: SEASONAL, REGIONAL, AND INTERANNUAL VARIABILITY, JOURNAL OF GEOPHYSICAL RESEARCH, VOL. 94, NO. C10, PAGES 14,499-14,523.

Bindidon
Reply to  Stephen Philbrick
February 14, 2021 1:40 pm

Stephen Philbrick

It is not the first time I see highly questionable info posted by Scissor concerning sea ice.

Here are the January Arctic extent values since 2012:

2012 1 13.73
2013 1 13.70
2014 1 13.65
2015 1 13.60
2016 1 13.46
2017 1 13.19
2018 1 13.08
2019 1 13.57
2020 1 13.65
2021 1 13.48

Here is the data provided by HadISST1 ICE for 1974:

1974 1 13.21   
1974 2 14.17   
1974 3 14.41   
1974 4 13.97   
1974 5 12.99   
1974 6 11.54   
1974 7 9.23    
1974 8 7.29    
1974 9 6.92    
1974 10 8.50  
1974 11 10.50  
1974 12 12.52

Here is a graph for Arctic sea ice to which I added 1974 (in yellow):

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1cWWOPbwHkag1MCJ4vBwiwDW7AET0fSSF/view

And here is how 2021 behaves in the daily data (anomalies wrt the mean of 1981-2010):

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1QBlh325tHF-4NRlWsHf_6sgskO_ipyse/view

J.-P. D.

PCman999
Reply to  Stephen Philbrick
February 13, 2021 11:01 pm

1974 isn’t on the graph, only the range from 1981-2010 and a few specific years since then. I wish he would have linked the 1974 data.

Scissor
Reply to  PCman999
February 14, 2021 5:32 am

Parkinson and Cavalieri, ARCTIC SEA ICE 1973-1987: SEASONAL, REGIONAL, AND INTERANNUAL VARIABILITY, JOURNAL OF GEOPHYSICAL RESEARCH, VOL. 94, NO. C10, PAGES 14,499-14,523.

Bindidon
Reply to  PCman999
February 14, 2021 1:58 pm

PCman999

See my reply on February 14, 2021 1:40 pm above.

Scissor
Reply to  Rod Evans
February 13, 2021 6:09 am

Much or most of the U.S. will also be setting cold records today and tomorrow. That is weather.

In another context, however, in spite of UHI, in spite of adjustments that cool the past, the fact that it was much warmer 100 years ago, is indicative of something amiss regarding the warming narrative. It is opposite of warming hypothesis predictions.

It could simply be that natural variability rules. It could portend the total falsification of AGW. One step at a time, experimental observation decides.

Don
Reply to  Scissor
February 13, 2021 4:49 pm

No ! “Weather” is local , over a relatively small area , what is happening right now is far more than weather in extent , it’s Global .Most of the USA , Canada , the north pole , nearly ALL of Russia, Germany, France ,UK all freezing , a huge area , that’s not weather ! Plus , in past years when the polar air flows dip south the temperature of the Arctic goes up, not this year . The pole at this moment is at -31oC and parts are at -38oC . Central downtown Chicago is -15.8oC and a couple of days ago it was -22oC .

jailson Andrade
Reply to  Don
February 13, 2021 5:56 pm

missed you mention the southern hemisphere that temperatures are below average since december!

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Don
February 14, 2021 9:25 am

“what is happening right now is far more than weather in extent , it’s Global .Most of the USA , Canada , the north pole , nearly ALL of Russia, Germany, France ,UK all freezing”

It happens every winter.

EOM
Reply to  Rod Evans
February 13, 2021 6:38 am

Look at northern and central MN; it is 35 to 45 below most areas (F) this morning.

Mike Marsh
Reply to  EOM
February 13, 2021 6:06 pm

The (F) is a bit redundant- minus 40 is the same on both scales 🙂
And it’s bloody cold either way.

February 13, 2021 2:19 am

From previous posts on wattsup:
 
The ability to predict is the best objective measure of scientific competence. These climate doomsters have a perfect negative predictive track record – every very-scary climate prediction of the ~fifty they have made in the past has failed to happen.
 
“MacRae’s Maxim”:
“VIRTUALLY EVERY SCARY PREDICTION BY GLOBAL WARMING ALARMISTS IS FALSE.”
 
There is a powerful logic that says that no rational person can be this wrong, this deliberately obtuse, for this long – that they must have a covert agenda. I made this point circa 2009, and that agenda is now fully exposed – it is the Marxist totalitarian “Great Reset” – “you will own nothing, and you’ll be happy!”
 
The proponents of both the very-scary Global Warming / Climate Change scam and the Covid-19 Lockdown scam know they are lying. Note also how many global “leaders” quickly linked the two scams, stating ”to solve one we have to solve the other”- utter nonsense, not even plausible enough to be specious.

Warmists are clearly hopeless at predictions and climate science.

So what can climate skeptics predict?

20-YEAR LONG TERM FORECAST
 
In 2002 I (we) predicted solar-driven global cooling to commence circa 2020, and unfortunately that prediction is looking more and more probable – I’d rather be wrong – I’m getting old and hate the cold. The forecast low tonight in Calgary is minus28C; it was minus 31c a few nights back – that’s the temperature, not the wind chill estimate, which would be even colder.
 
7-MONTH SHORT TERM FORECAST
 
This formula works reasonably well back to 1982, which is the limit of my data availability.
 
5. UAH LT Global Temperatures can be predicted ~4 months in the future with just two parameters:
UAHLT (+4 months) = 0.2*Nino34Anomaly + 0.15 – 5*SatoGlobalAerosolOpticalDepth (Figs. 5a and 5b)
 
6. The sequence is Nino34 Area SST warms, seawater evaporates, Tropical atmospheric humidity increases, Tropical atmospheric temperature warms, Global atmospheric temperature warms, atmospheric CO2 increases (Figs. 6a and 6b).
 
I wrote in August 2020:
wattsupwiththat.com/2020/08/23/solar-plasma-temperature-is-plunging-should-we-worry/#comment-3068819
 
“Check out NIno34 temperatures, again down to Minus 0.6C – winter will be cold.”
comment image
 
Nino34 SST anom’s hit minimums of minus1.4C-1.3C in Oct2020 and Nov2020 – global coldest temperatures (+4 months) should be Feb2021 and Mar2021.
 
[excerpts from]
CO2, GLOBAL WARMING, CLIMATE AND ENERGY
by Allan M.R. MacRae, B.A.Sc., M.Eng., June 15, 2019
wattsupwiththat.com/2019/06/15/co2-global-warming-climate-and-energy-2/

Last edited 8 months ago by ALLAN MACRAE
Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
February 13, 2021 2:44 am

From: Allan MacRae
Sent: February-08-21 9:30 AM
To: ‘Benny Peiser et al
Subject: I warned about this situation originally in 2002, and again in 2013. Bundle up! Regards, Allan MacRae in Calgary

And so it begins: UK Government mulls emergency measures that would enable networks to switch off your electricity without warning or compensation
·        Date: 07/02/21
·         
·        Mail Online,
http://www.thegwpf.com/and-so-it-begins-uk-government-mulls-emergency-measures-that-would-enable-networks-to-switch-off-your-electricity-without-warning-or-compensation/

wattsupwiththat.com/2021/02/07/winter-storm-threatens-germanys-powerfreezing-hell-threatens-if-already-rickety-grid-collapses/#comment-3178917
 
Posted in 2013:
wattsupwiththat.com/2013/11/01/water-is-replacing-climate-as-the-next-un-environmental-resource-scare/#comment-1131731
[excerpt]
My primary concern at this time is that Earth is about to enter a period of global cooling that could be severe, and could result in significant loss of life, especially among the elderly of Britain and Europe, since the fearless leaders of those countries have created “the perfect storm” by damaging their energy systems with costly and ineffective grid-connected wind and solar power schemes – “solutions” to a false global warming crisis in a cooling world.

We warned of this debacle in 2002, but to no effect. It has all, regrettably, unfolded as it should not have.

We wrote in 2002:

[PEGG, reprinted at their request by several other professional journals , the Globe and Mail and la Presse in translation, by Baliunas, Patterson and MacRae]
Formerly at: http://www.apega.ca/members/publications/peggs/WEB11_02/kyoto_pt.htm
Now at: http://www.friendsofscience.org/assets/documents/KyotoAPEGA2002REV1.pdf

On global warming:
“Climate science does not support the theory of catastrophic human-made global warming – the alleged warming crisis does not exist.”
 
On green energy:
“The ultimate agenda of pro-Kyoto advocates is to eliminate fossil fuels, but this would result in a catastrophic shortfall in global energy supply – the wasteful, inefficient energy solutions proposed by Kyoto advocates simply cannot replace fossil fuels.”
 

Last edited 8 months ago by ALLAN MACRAE
Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
February 13, 2021 3:01 am

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/02/09/experts-blame-global-warming-for-cold-weather-in-thailand-and-singapore/#comment-3180185

THE REAL CLIMATE CRISIS IS NOT GLOBAL WARMING, IT IS COOLING, AND IT MAY HAVE ALREADY STARTED
By Allan M.R. MacRae and Joseph D’Aleo, October 27, 2019
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/10/27/the-real-climate-crisis-is-not-global-warming-it-is-cooling-and-it-may-have-already-started/
[excerpt]

Predictions of Imminent Global Cooling, Starting Anytime Soon

Allan MacRae also published on September 1, 2002, based on a conversation with Dr. Tim Patterson, the prediction that global cooling, which happened from ~1940 to 1977, would recommence by 2020-2030:

“Over the past one thousand years, global temperatures exhibited strong correlation with variations in the sun’s activity. This warming and cooling was certainly not caused by manmade variations in atmospheric CO2, because fossil fuel use was insignificant until the 20th century.

Temperatures in the 20th century also correlate poorly with atmospheric CO2 levels, which increased throughout the century. However, much of the observed warming in the 20th century occurred before 1940, there was cooling from 1940 to 1977 and more warming after 1977. Since 80 per cent of manmade CO2 was produced after 1940, why did much of the warming occur before that time? Also, why did the cooling occur between 1940 and 1977 while CO2 levels were increasing? Again, these warming and cooling trends correlate well with variations in solar activity.

Only since 1977 does warming correlate with increased CO2, but solar activity also increased during this period. This warming has only been measured at the earth’s surface, and satellites have measured little or no warming at altitudes of 1.5 to eight kilometres. This pattern is inconsistent with CO2 being the primary driver for warming. If solar activity is the main driver of surface temperature rather than CO2, we should begin the next cooling period by 2020 to 2030.

For the past ~five years, MacRae has written that global cooling would start closer to 2020. This global cooling will start sporadically, at different locations in the world.

Told you so, ~19 years ago.

Regards, Allan

Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
February 13, 2021 3:55 am

Posted in 2013:

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/10/31/blind-faith-in-climate-models/#comment-1130954
 
AN OPEN LETTER TO BARONESS VERMA
[excerpt]

So here is my real concern:
IF THE SUN DOES INDEED DRIVE TEMPERATURE, AS I SUSPECT, BARONESS VERMA, THEN YOU AND YOUR
COLLEAGUES ON BOTH SIDES OF THE HOUSE MAY HAVE BREWED THE PERFECT STORM.

You are claiming that global cooling will NOT happen, AND you have crippled your energy systems with excessive reliance on ineffective grid-connected “green energy” schemes.

I suggest that global cooling probably WILL happen within the next decade or sooner, and Britain will get colder.

I also suggest that the IPCC and the Met Office have NO track record of successful prediction (or “projection”) of global temperature and thus have no scientific credibility.

I suggest that Winter deaths will increase in the UK as cooling progresses.

I suggest that Excess Winter Mortality, the British rate of which is about double the rate in the Scandinavian countries, should provide an estimate of this unfolding tragedy.

As always in these matters, I hope to be wrong. These are not numbers, they are real people, who “loved and were loved”.

Best regards to all, Allan MacRae

Turning and tuning in the widening gyre,
the falcon cannot hear the falconer…
– Yeats

Loydo
Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
February 13, 2021 4:29 am

You’ve been predicting a cooling global climate for twenty years and in that time we’ve seen record warm years. You ignore that the increasing energy in the atmosphere is dwarfed by that in the ocean. Stop making a fool of yourself.

Nuccitelli et al. (2012)

Last edited 8 months ago by Loydo
Reply to  Loydo
February 13, 2021 4:43 am

Loy, Loy, Loy, comprehensive reading and you, 2 different pairs of shoes 😀

In 2002 I (we) predicted solar-driven global cooling to commence circa 2020, and unfortunately that prediction is looking more and more probable –



Mickey Reno
Reply to  Loydo
February 13, 2021 5:18 am

Don’t you worry your little head about the cold, Loydo. The Met, NOAA, NASA, CSIRO and the Hadley Center will just adjust these temperatures upward until you’re nice and toasty. Have a little faith in your peeps.

Loydo
Reply to  Mickey Reno
February 13, 2021 12:41 pm

Mmm, and you stick with the ramblings of your mad uncle Allan.
“and so it begins” ROFL.

MarkW
Reply to  Loydo
February 13, 2021 5:08 pm

I notice you didn’t even attempt to address the comment, just laid out more insults.

Mickey Reno
Reply to  Loydo
February 13, 2021 6:49 pm

I’m glad you can laugh out loud, Loydo. I gave you an upvote. Hold on to your sense of humor. We all need a good laugh now and then. As for getting a new uncle,well, yippee! Now that I’m a member of the family, Allan, we need to have a frank discussion about your last will and testament.

Last edited 8 months ago by Mickey Reno
fred250
Reply to  Loydo
February 13, 2021 8:09 pm

Allan produces EVIDENCE.

You produce excrement.

Its all you have, loy-dumbass

David Kamakaris
Reply to  Loydo
February 13, 2021 6:17 am

Loydo, how long is your record?

Ron Long
Reply to  David Kamakaris
February 13, 2021 6:43 am

five years with two off for “good” behavior.

philincalifornia
Reply to  David Kamakaris
February 13, 2021 6:51 am

Doesn’t really matter, it’s a broken record.

The climate crisis is now the climate alarmist crisis, with the irony being that both exist only in their heads.

David Kamakaris
Reply to  philincalifornia
February 13, 2021 7:25 am

I know, Phil. I ask Loydo that question every time he mentions record temperatures because I enjoy seeing his unwillingness to answer that very simple question.

Loydo
Reply to  David Kamakaris
February 13, 2021 12:42 pm

Ok, I’ll bite David, why do you ask?

MarkW
Reply to  Loydo
February 13, 2021 5:09 pm

Once again, rather than answer a simple question, you choose diversion instead. Why does it matter why he asks. You either know the answer or you don’t.
Since you refuse to answer the question, it strongly implies that you don’t know the answer.

Richard (the cynical one)
Reply to  MarkW
February 13, 2021 5:44 pm

Or worse, Mark, Loydo’s unwillingness to give a plain direct honest answer could well be that he knows but doesn’t like the truth, and so he obfuscates.

David Kamakaris
Reply to  Richard (the cynical one)
February 14, 2021 9:54 am

That’s my guess, Richard.

David Kamakaris
Reply to  Loydo
February 14, 2021 9:42 am

“why do you ask?”

You mentioned record warm years. It’s a logical question to ask how long is the record you’re citing.

I asked to see if you will answer this very simple question rather than engaging in another round of dodge ball as you have done on numerous occasions.

Loydo
Reply to  David Kamakaris
February 14, 2021 10:48 pm

Quite a few ways to answer that. Lets go with NOAA dataset back to 1880 I think. Their top 10 warmest years have all occurred since 2000
https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/news/projected-ranks

So to answer your question: 140 years and the last 7 years are the warmest 7 in the dataset.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Loydo
February 14, 2021 11:13 pm

NOAA had a global dataset back in 1880? Good one!

David Kamakaris
Reply to  Loydo
February 15, 2021 3:51 am

Now was that so hard?

But you must know that Earth history goes back beyond 1880. Do you think recent temperature records would hold if the period included the entire Holocene Epoch?

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Loydo
February 14, 2021 11:16 pm

You must live in Victoria, got nothing to do this lockdown?

Scissor
Reply to  Loydo
February 13, 2021 6:26 am

Leftist projection always.

Gordon A. Dressler
Reply to  Loydo
February 13, 2021 8:12 am

And, Loydo, you evidence an absence of understanding the basic laws of thermodynamics.

The direction and extent of thermal energy flow between two separate reservoirs of energy content (e.g., Earth’s atmosphere and its oceans) is determined by temperature difference, NOT difference in heat capacity. Since the average global lower atmospheric temperature (about +15 °C) is higher in temperature than Earth’s oceans (having most of their mass only slightly above 0 °C), thermal energy will flow from the atmosphere into the oceans.

In the context of your post, your statement “You ignore that the increasing energy in the atmosphere is dwarfed by that in the ocean” just shows that it is you that has made of fool of yourself.

Last edited 8 months ago by Gordon A. Dressler
Loydo
Reply to  Gordon A. Dressler
February 13, 2021 1:18 pm

No its you who are over complicating it. I made no mention of the direction of energy flow. And just to correct your misunderstanding as far as energy flow goes, the relevant thermal difference is between the air temperature and the sea surface layers not the entire ocean depths. The average SST temperature is about 16C – unsurprisingly lagging a degree or two behind rising land temperatures and with its vast heat capacitance acting as a thermal buffer.

http://berkeleyearth.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/LandOcean2017.png

So my point to Allan, who bellows “its coolin’ I tells ya” every time it snows in Calgary, is that he might want to look at the ocean if he wants to understand the momentum of modern global warming, because that is where the vast majority of the energy is accumulating and is the only thing preventing an even more rapid rise in land temperatures.

Last edited 8 months ago by Loydo
fred250
Reply to  Loydo
February 13, 2021 8:15 pm

Again the Berkeley crap.

Based on all the WORST data they can find, and fudged together with “regional expectations and all.

Its JUNK SCIENCE, and you are TOO DUMB to see it for what it is.

Sea temperature and energy content has risen only slightly since the LIA (COLDEST period i 10,000 years)

That rise is a meaningless squiggle on history perspective.

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Land temperatures have ONLY risen in response to El Nino events

There is absolutely ZERO human CO2 signal in temperature series any where , except that introduced by “adjustments” and data tampering.

Let’s watch as ZERO-evidence Loy-dumbass yet again runs away from producing evidence of warming by atmospheric CO2

1… Do you have any empirical scientific evidence for warming by atmospheric CO2?

2… In what ways has the global climate changed in the last 50 years , that can be scientifically proven to be of human released CO2 causation?

Gordon A. Dressler
Reply to  Loydo
February 13, 2021 8:38 pm

So, Loydo, you think that the “sea surface layers” (that you claim to be at “about 16C”) don’t conduct thermal energy to the predominant mass (about 90%) of Earth’s oceans measured and documented to be at significantly lower temperatures?

Here is a fact that you apparently don’t know or don’t want to address: “Therefore, the deep ocean (below about 200 meters depth) is cold, with an average temperature of only 4°C (39°F)”—source: https://oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/facts/temp-vary.html#:~:text=Therefore%2C%20the%20deep%20ocean%20(below,result%20heavier%2C%20than%20warm%20water.

Please state your physical reasoning that warmer sea surface layers in Earth’s oceans do not thermally conduct energy down to deeper (>200 m depth), colder ocean waters. Also, you must explain the reason that thermoclines exist in most ocean temperature-vs-depth profiles IF heat transfer was not occurring vertically from top to bottom.

Perhaps there is a submerged thermal barrier, put there by unicorns, that prevents thermodynamics of conductive heat transfer from occurring in seawater, unbeknownst to marine scientists?

I eagerly await your science-based correction to my “misunderstanding as far as energy flow goes” (your words).

Finally, your first paragraph of your response to me immediately above has this statement: “I made no mention of the direction of energy flow.”  Please explain how you reconcile that with this statement made in the last paragraph of the same response: “. . . that is where the vast majority of the energy is accumulating . . .” That is, please explain how one can have energy accumulation without a defined direction of energy flow.

Loydo
Reply to  Gordon A. Dressler
February 14, 2021 12:57 am

Yes Gordon, sigh, thermal enenergy from the surface layers, mixed layer if you prefer, finds its way into the abyss but that can take thousands of years. The mixed surface has sucked up most of the heat and in the short term – say a human lifetime – that is where most of it stays.

I think we can agree the thermal capacity of the ocean is vastly greater than that of the atmosphere, so if there were to be signs of cooling that’s were we might want look to find them.

How about at the surface?
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Nope. What about deeper?

http://159.226.119.60/cheng/images_files/SFigure1.png

Um, nope, warming all the way down

Last edited 8 months ago by Loydo
fred250
Reply to  Loydo
February 14, 2021 2:31 am

That is NOT a representation of global anything

It is based on the much tortured data used by GHCN and bears ZERO resemblance to any sort of reality.

And then you put forward that moronic modeled , NOT MEASURE ZJ (big value to scare the IGNORANT MINDED FOOLS like you)

In reality it represents something like 0.08ºC over 60 years

PANIC, you insipid moron.!

And looks like this in the real scheme of things… a TINY LITTLE SQUIGGLE

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Your CONTINUED IGNORANCE and GULLIBILITY and inability to comprehend any actual science or mathematics, is that of a 5 year old child, Loy-dopey !!

Last edited 8 months ago by fred250
Gordon A. Dressler
Reply to  Loydo
February 14, 2021 9:30 am

Loydo, sigh, you posted: “. . . the thermal capacity of the ocean is vastly greater than that of the atmosphere, so if there were to be signs of cooling that’s were [sic] we might want look to find them.”

So, given we don’t want to wait “thousands of years” to measure the thermal effects of atmospheric heating or cooling that have occurred over the last 200 or so years by sampling deep ocean temperatures to accuracies of milli-degrees Centigrade, we must therefore rely on the mixed surface layers of the oceans to see the “energy accumulation” (your exact phrase), right?

From the excellent WUWT article A Mixed Up Mixed Layer by Willis Eschenbach (https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/02/02/a-mixed-up-mixed-layer/ ):
“You can see that the mixed layer depth got slightly deeper from 2004 to 2011, shallowed until 2016, and has deepened slightly since then … internal variability indeed.
“Net result? I’d say that we don’t have enough data to say either that the mixed layer is shallowing, or that the cause is the slight ongoing global warming.”
Willis’ conclusion is based on careful analysis of the mixed global ocean surface layers as obtained from the massive deployment of Argo floats, the best wide-area, long-term ocean temperature measurement technology available.

I recommend that you read—more importantly, understand—what that article implies regarding “energy accumulation”, or lack thereof, in Earth’s oceans.

Furthermore, your presentation of a single graph from the Japan Meteorological Agency—with no source cited, no layer depth-below-surface indicated, individual data points indicating an UNBELIEVABLE measurement resolution of .02 °C, and plotted data going as far back as the late 1890’s (well before precision thermometers were ever used to measure ocean surface temperatures)—destroys all credibility of your argument.

Reply to  Loydo
February 14, 2021 3:06 pm

These thousands of years you are talking about is the time needed to come back to the surfacbeeing colder that in started.

fred250
Reply to  Loydo
February 13, 2021 10:15 am

loy-dumbest yaps mindlessly YET AGAIN

Quoting Dana Nutcase doesn’t help its cause either.

What increasing energy in the atmosphere?

Oceans have warmed maybe by 0.1C in 60 years
and that is a tiny squiggle in the reality of things.

Your comment is YET AGAIN, a load of EVIDENCE-FREE garbage.

fred250
Reply to  fred250
February 13, 2021 11:43 am

Nature is now dumping all that “increasing atmospheric energy” all over UK, Europe, USA, Siberia etc etc

TheFinalNail
Reply to  Loydo
February 13, 2021 11:58 am

Despite frequent failded global cooling predictions, Allan Macrae contnues to be a legend in his own mind.

philincalifornia
Reply to  TheFinalNail
February 13, 2021 1:51 pm

Well, to add to your reading comprehension difficulties, you didn’t win any spelling bee competitions either, eh?

Mike
Reply to  TheFinalNail
February 13, 2021 7:22 pm

If you don’t think it’s going to cool down, there are rocks rolling around in your head. It has to cool. There is no alternative.

fred250
Reply to  TheFinalNail
February 13, 2021 8:15 pm

Despite frequent mindless yappings, rusty continues to remain evidence free on anything it yaps about.

Reply to  TheFinalNail
February 14, 2021 3:10 pm
MarkW
Reply to  Loydo
February 13, 2021 5:06 pm

Speaking of making a fool of oneself, here comes Loydo, a grandmaster at that skill.

It’s been cooling since the end of the last El Nino, just taking a 20 year average is a great way to smear over what is actually happening, which is why you insist on it.
What “increasing energy” in the oceans? Are you talking about the alleged 0.006C increase in ocean temperatures that recent “studies” have claimed? Such a tiny increase is so far below the error bars, that only a committed ideologue would tout it as anything.
But then committed ideologue is also a good description of you.

Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
February 13, 2021 9:44 am

Epilogue:

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/11/12/arctic-blast-has-arrived-in-the-eastern-usnumerous-record-low-temperatures-by-early-wednesday/#comment-2845511

Well, there it is – the perfect Trifecta – my work here is done.

In 2002, co-authors Dr Sallie Baliunas, Astrophysicist, Harvard-Smithsonian, Dr Tim Patterson, Paleoclimatologist, Carleton, Ottawa and Allan MacRae wrote:
friendsofscience.org/assets/documents/KyotoAPEGA2002REV1.pdf

1. “Climate science does not support the theory of catastrophic human-made global warming – the alleged warming crisis does not exist.”
 
2. “The ultimate agenda of pro-Kyoto advocates is to eliminate fossil fuels, but this would result in a catastrophic shortfall in global energy supply – the wasteful, inefficient energy solutions proposed by Kyoto advocates simply cannot replace fossil fuels.”

Allan MacRae published in the Calgary Herald on September 1, 2002, based on a conversation with Dr. Tim Patterson:
wattsupwiththat.com/2009/01/10/polar-sea-ice-changes-are-having-a-net-cooling-effect-on-the-climate/#comment-63579
 
3. “If [as we believe] solar activity is the main driver of surface temperature rather than CO2, we should begin the next cooling period by 2020 to 2030.”
 
Allan MacRae modified his global cooling prediction in 2013 or earlier:
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/12/02/study-predicts-the-sun-is-headed-for-a-dalton-like-solar-minimum-around-2050/#comment-1147149

3a. “I suggest global cooling starts by 2020 or sooner. Bundle up.”

Regards to all, Allan MacRae
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SELECTED REFERENCES:
DEBATE ON THE KYOTO ACCORD,
Published by APEGA in the PEGG, reprinted by other professional journals, The Globe and Mail and La Presse,
By Sallie Baliunas, Tim Patterson and Allan MacRae, November 2002
friendsofscience.org/assets/documents/KyotoAPEGA2002REV1.pdf
CARBON DIOXIDE IS NOT THE PRIMARY CAUSE OF GLOBAL WARMING, THE FUTURE CAN NOT CAUSE THE PAST
By Allan M.R. MacRae, January 2008

icecap.us/images/uploads/CO2vsTMacRae.pdf
PRESENTATION OF EVIDENCE SUGGESTING TEMPERATURE DRIVES ATMOSPHERIC CO2 MORE THAN CO2 DRIVES TEMPERATURE
By Allan M.R. MacRae, June 13, 2015

wattsupwiththat.com/2015/06/13/presentation-of-evidence-suggesting-temperature-drives-atmospheric-co2-more-than-co2-drives-temperature/
CO2, GLOBAL WARMING, CLIMATE AND ENERGY
By Allan M.R. MacRae, B.A.Sc., M.Eng., June 15, 2019
wattsupwiththat.com/2019/06/15/co2-global-warming-climate-and-energy-2/
Excel: wattsupwiththat.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Rev_CO2-Global-Warming-Climate-and-Energy-June2019-FINAL.xlsx

THE REAL CLIMATE CRISIS IS NOT GLOBAL WARMING, IT IS COOLING, AND IT MAY HAVE ALREADY STARTED
By Allan M.R. MacRae and Joseph D’Aleo, October 26, 2019
wattsupwiththat.com/2019/10/27/the-real-climate-crisis-is-not-global-warming-it-is-cooling-and-it-may-have-already-started/
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Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
February 13, 2021 8:36 pm

THE NORTHERN HEMISPHERE’S BIG FREEZE
FEBRUARY 12, 2021 CAP ALLON

https://electroverse.net/the-northern-hemispheres-big-freeze/

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Low temperatures records have been tumbling across the planet of late, particularly in the Northern Hemisphere — North America, Europe, and Asia have each logged thousands of new cold records this winter, and now the situation looks set to intensify even further…

Latest GFS runs show a hemisphere-wide hyperborean invasion starting now and running all of next week, with brutal Arctic air masses occupying the majority of the mid-latitudes by Monday, Feb. 15.

The below graphic is the forecast for Wednesday, Feb. 17:

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GFS 2m Temp Anomalies for Weds, Feb. 17

Temperature departures of 20C below the winter average will grip much of North America and Russia, with North Africa and eastern Asia also copping nation-spanning blasts of anomalous cold.

The mercury within the Arctic region itself is forecast to rise above average, but this is an expected phenomenon during times of low solar activity as a weak and wavy “meridional” jet stream flow diverts that frigid polar cold south.

“When solar activity is HIGH, the jet stream is tight and stable and follows somewhat of a straight path. But when solar activity is LOW, that meandering band of air flowing 6 miles above our heads becomes weak and wavy, it effectively buckles which diverts frigid Polar air to atypically low latitudes and replaces it with warmer tropical air [for a more detailed explanation, click here].

The Sun has just experienced its weakest solar cycle of the past 100 years, and the next cycle (25) is proving slow to get going — at a time when things would ordinarily be ramping-up the Sun has instead been “blank” for the past 8 days, making for 25 spotless days in 2021, or 58%.

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The sun is blank–no sunspots. Credit: SDO/HM

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Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
February 13, 2021 9:52 pm

41 RECORD LOWS SET IN ALBERTA, AS BRITAIN SUFFERS -22.9C (-9.2F)
FEBRUARY 11, 2021 CAP ALLON
https://electroverse.net/41-record-lows-set-in-alberta-as-britain-suffers-22-9c-9-2f/

Extreme cold has been gripping our planet for the past few months, driving its average temperature down (UAH) and the NH snow mass up (FMI).


41 RECORD LOWS SET IN ALBERTA
Environment and Climate Change Canada

(ECCC) says 15 new record lows were set in Alberta on Monday alone due to an “unseasonably cold” arctic ridge of high pressure.

These are in addition to the 26 new lows set over the weekend.

As reported by globalnews.ca, of the 15 communities with new record lows on Monday, the coldest was in Red Deer, which saw its thermometers sink to -43.9C (-47F) and bust the city’s previous record of -40.6C (-41F), set back in 1936 (solar minimum of cycle 16).

Below is a full list of Monday’s fallen low temperature records (courtesy of ECCC and globalnews.ca):

Breton 
New record of -37.5C
Old record of -32.0C set in 1994
Records in this area have been kept since 1939
Cold Lake 
New record of -36.6C
Old record of -35.8C set in 1994
Records in this area have been kept since 1952
Edmonton (at the Edmonton International Airport) 
New record of -40.8C
Old record of -35.8C set in 1979
Records in this area have been kept since 1959
Elk Island National Park
New record of -40.9C
Old record of -35.6C set in 1979
Records in this area have been kept since 1966
Hendrickson Creek 
New record of -41.2C
Old record of -35.5C set in 2017
Records in this area have been kept since 1995
High River 
New record of -33.2C
Old record of -33.0C set in 1994
Records in this area have been kept since 1913
Highvale 
New record of -33.8C
Old record of -32.0C set in 1979
Records in this area have been kept since 1977
Lac La Biche 
New record of -39.2C
Old record of -38.9C set in 1979
Records in this area have been kept since 1944
Lacombe 
New record of -40.5C
Old record of -39.4C set in 1936
Records in this area have been kept since 1907
Milk River 
New record of -32.4C
Old record of -31.7C set in 2017
Records in this area have been kept since 1994
Red Deer 
New record of -43.9C
Old record of -40.6C set in 1936
Records in this area have been kept since 1904
Red Earth Creek 
New record of -39.5C
Old record of -35.8C set in 2019
Records in this area have been kept since 1994
Taber 
New record of -35.7C
Old record of -35.5C set in 1994
Records in this area have been kept since 1947
Vegreville
New record of -41.7 C
Old record of -37.0 C set in 1994
Records in this area have been kept since 1918
Wainwright 
New record of -37.5C
Old record of -36.0C set in 1994
Records in this area have been kept since 1966


Alberta’s brutal freeze is ongoing.
And on Tuesday evening the province set a new all-time record for electricity usage as folks cranked up the heating in their homes.
According to the Alberta Electric System Operator (AESO), 11,729 MW of power was used at around 7 p.m. Tuesday, eclipsing the previous all-time record set in January of last year by 31 MW.
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BRITAIN SUFFERS -22.9C (-9.2F)
Across the South, West, East and North East of the UK, snow and ice warnings have been extended into Thursday as February’s blast of extreme wintry weather shows no signs of abating.

The UK has just recorded its lowest temperature since 1995 (solar minimum of cycle 22) after the mercury in Scotland plunged to almost -23C (-9.4F).

The UK Met Office, who recently declared extreme low temperatures were a thing of the past, registered a low of -22.9C (-9.2F) in Braemar overnight Wednesday–a reading not far off the coldest-ever temperature for the date, which still stands as the -25.6C (-14F) set way back in 1895 (during the Centennial Minimum).

The below tweet shows more than 200 people queuing for a soup kitchen in blowing snow — a shocking depiction of both our society AND climate:

The COLD TIMES are returning, the mid-latitudes are REFREEZING in line with the great conjunctionhistorically low solar activitycloud-nucleating Cosmic Rays, and a meridional jet stream flow (among other forcings).

Both NOAA and NASA appear to agree, if you read between the lines, with NOAA saying we’re entering a ‘full-blown’ Grand Solar Minimum in the late-2020s, and NASA seeing this upcoming solar cycle (25) as “the weakest of the past 200 years”, with the agency correlating previous solar shutdowns to prolonged periods of global cooling here.

Furthermore, we can’t ignore the slew of new scientific papers stating the immense impact The Beaufort Gyre could have on the Gulf Stream, and therefore the climate overall.

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Prepare accordingly— learn the facts, relocate if need be, and grow your own.

fred250
Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
February 14, 2021 3:57 am

WOW,

New “hot” records are mostly by tiny fractions of a degree, at highly suspect urban sites.

Many of those new COLD records by over a degree, even multiple degrees. !!!

Reply to  fred250
February 14, 2021 8:25 am

Hi Fred.
 
This is the real thing – record cold all over the world, including 41 record lows set in Alberta just last week.
 
This global cooling is primarily solar-induced, driven by the end of very-weak SC24 and the beginning of very-weak SC25, as I (we) predicted in an article published in 2002 – one year before Theodor Landscheidt’s famous 2003 cooling prediction. Contrary to political myth, atmospheric CO2 does NOT significantly drive global temperature – the Sun does.
 
In 2002, co-authors Dr Sallie Baliunas, Astrophysicist, Harvard-Smithsonian, Dr Tim Patterson, Paleoclimatologist, Carleton, Ottawa and Allan MacRae wrote:
http://www.friendsofscience.org/assets/documents/KyotoAPEGA2002REV1.pdf

1. “Climate science does not support the theory of catastrophic human-made global warming – the alleged warming crisis does not exist.”
 
2. “The ultimate agenda of pro-Kyoto advocates is to eliminate fossil fuels, but this would result in a catastrophic shortfall in global energy supply – the wasteful, inefficient energy solutions proposed by Kyoto advocates simply cannot replace fossil fuels.”

Allan MacRae published in the Calgary Herald on September 1, 2002, based on a conversation with Dr. Tim Patterson:
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/01/10/polar-sea-ice-changes-are-having-a-net-cooling-effect-on-the-climate/#comment-63579
 
3. “If [as we believe] solar activity is the main driver of surface temperature rather than CO2, we should begin the next cooling period by 2020 to 2030.”
 
Allan MacRae modified his global cooling prediction in 2013 or earlier:
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/12/02/study-predicts-the-sun-is-headed-for-a-dalton-like-solar-minimum-around-2050/#comment-1147149

3a. “I suggest global cooling starts by 2020 or sooner. Bundle up.”
_____________________
 
Earth experienced a lesser version of this global cooling from 2008 to 2014, when the PDO went negative, and then the PDO went positive again culminating in the ~2017 El Nino. That global cooling period was driven by the end of robust SC23 and the beginning of very-weak SC24.comment image
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Global average temperature correlates well with the Nino34 anomaly and the PDO. Century-scale volcanoes El Chichon (1982) and Pinatubo (1991+) cause cooling for several years and disrupt the relationship.
https://woodfortrees.org/plot/jisao-pdo/from:1979/plot/uah6/scale:4
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As I published in January 2008, changes in atmospheric CO2 also correlate well with the Nino34 anomaly, AND THUS changes in CO2 LAG changes in Nino34 by ~9 months. Again, major volcanoes El Chichon (1982) and Pinatubo (1991+) disrupt the relationship. This 2008 paper provides an absolute disproof of the “Increasing CO2 drives Global warming” false hypothesis – “The future cannot cause the past.“
https://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/esrl-co2/from:1979/mean:12/derivative/plot/uah6/from:1979/scale:0.22/offset:0.14
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CARBON DIOXIDE IS NOT THE PRIMARY CAUSE OF GLOBAL WARMING, THE FUTURE CAN NOT CAUSE THE PAST January 2008
http://icecap.us/images/uploads/CO2vsTMacRae.pdf

This ~9-month LAG of CO2 changes after temperature changes is explained further in subsequent papers published in 2015 and 2019.
TEMPERATURE DRIVES ATMOSPHERIC CO2 ON ALL TIME SCALES June 12, 2015
http://icecap.us/index.php/go/icing-the-hype/temperature_drives_atmospheric_co2_on_all_time_scales/

The ~9-month lag, +/- several months, averages 1/4 of the full-period duration of the variable global temperature cycle, which averages ~3 years.
CO2, GLOBAL WARMING, CLIMATE AND ENERGY June 15, 2019 
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/06/15/co2-global-warming-climate-and-energy-2/

It is notable that crop planting has occurred one month later-than-usual in the North-central growing areas of North America in both 2018 and 2019. While warm summer weather saved the 2018 crop, in 2019 the Northern corn and soybean harvests were devastated by a cold summer and early cold weather. In 2019, there were many more record U.S. all-time daily low temperatures than record highs. These events may just be weather, not climate, or they could be the early indicators of global cooling.
THE REAL CLIMATE CRISIS IS NOT GLOBAL WARMING, IT IS COOLING, AND IT MAY HAVE ALREADY STARTED October 27, 2019
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/10/27/the-real-climate-crisis-is-not-global-warming-it-is-cooling-and-it-may-have-already-started/

Global cooling IS dangerous to humanity and the environment; alleged global warming is NOT a significant threat.
COLD WEATHER KILLS 20 TIMES AS MANY PEOPLE AS HOT WEATHER September 4, 2015
https://friendsofsciencecalgary.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/cold-weather-kills-macrae-daleo-4sept2015-final.pdf
 
CONCLUSIONS:
Contrary to political myth, atmospheric CO2 does NOT significantly drive global temperature – the Sun does.
Earth is entering a solar-driven global cooling period, as I (we) correctly predicted in 2002.
Society is ill-prepared for this global cooling, because the false myth of human-made global warming has caused politicians to damage our energy systems with grid-connected intermittent, costly and ineffective wind and solar power.
This global cooling will have a significant negative impact on crops, as already happened across the Great Plains of North America in 2019.
Global cooling will result in a significant increase in winter deaths across the world – our complete lack of preparation for cooling will increase the death toll.

Reply to  fred250
February 14, 2021 8:45 am

Moderator, my apologies for all the links in my above post – I normally try to eliminate them, but in this case I believe they should remain.
Thank you for all your good work, Allan
 
Global politics has now become toxic and unhinged, with the extreme-left panicking, and trying to force the neo-Marxist Great Reset on us all. Why now?
 
The reason is explained in the above post –
solar-driven global cooling is upon us, and the fraud of catastrophic human-caused global warming is about to be exposed to even the most obtuse of humanity.
 
The big picture is described below – its perpetrators are among the most evil scoundrels on Earth, and to date they are succeeding.
 
For decades, climate skeptics have been correctly arguing that the science of the global warming extremists was wrong, but it was never about the science – it was always a fraud – a false scheme concocted for political and financial gain.
 
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/02/06/how-to-avoid-climate-disaster-the-bill-gates-way/#comment-3178438

People generally give the warmist cabal too much credibility – alarmism is a tactic – these people know they are lying – they’ve known it all along.
 
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/01/23/boebert-bill-to-block-paris-climate-agreement-reignites-senate-ratification-debate/#comment-3168259
[excerpt]
 
SITUATION ASSESSMENT – first published many months ago:
 
It’s ALL a Marxist-Democrat scam – false enviro-hysteria including the Climate and Green-Energy frauds, the full-Gulag lockdown for Covid-19, the specious linking of these frauds (“to solve one we have to solve the other”), paid-and-planned terrorism by Antifa and BLM, and the mail-in ballot US election scam – it’s all false.
 
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/02/02/kristi-noem-heres-something-you-can-deliver-for-the-american-people/#comment-3175020
[excerpt]

The Climate-and-Covid scares are false crises, concocted by wolves to stampede the sheep.

The tactics used by the warmist propagandists are straight out of Lenin’s playbook (below). The Climategate emails provided further evidence of the warmists’ deceit – they don’t debate, they shout down dissent and seek to harm those who disagree with them – straight out of Lenin.

The purported “science” of global warming catastrophism has been disproved numerous ways over the decades.

Every one of the warmists’ very-scary predictions, some 50 or so since ~1982, have failed to happen. The most objective measure of scientific competence is the ability to correctly predict – and the climate fraudsters have been 100% wrong to date.
 
There is a powerful logic that says that no rational person can be this wrong, this deliberately obtuse, for this long – that they must have a covert agenda. I made this point circa 2009, and that agenda is now fully exposed – it is the Marxist totalitarian “Great Reset” – “you will own nothing, and you’ll be happy!”
 
The proponents of both the very-scary Global Warming / Climate Change scam and the Covid-19 Lockdown scam know they are lying. Note also how many global “leaders” quickly linked the two scams, stating ”to solve one we have to solve the other”- utter nonsense, not even plausible enough to be specious.
 
Regarding the sheep, especially those who inhabit our universities and governments: The sheep are well-described in this essay by Nassim Nicholas Taleb as “Intellectual-Yet-Idiot” – they hold the warmist views as absolute truths, without ever having spent significant effort to investigate them. The false warmist narrative fitted their warped worldview, and they never seriously questioned it by examining the contrary evidence.

 

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Tom Abbott
Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
February 14, 2021 9:57 am

“Prepare accordingly”

Yes, I think I’m going to do that. I’m going to weatherproof my house better and get one of those Genarac, natural gas/propane generators (made in the USA) because I’m thinking this level of cold might become too familiar. I hope not, because I hate the cold, but I want to be prepared.

I’m sitting here at 10 degree F, which is a very cold temperature for this far south, although I imagine my neighbors to the immediate north don’t have much sympathy as they are 20F colder than me. It will probably drop to below zero tonght.

We are getting a lot of snow but it is not a wet snow so the powerlines are not in great danger. I went outside a little while ago and blew the snow off my porch with my leaf blower. I saw a guy do that on television the other day and thought I would try it and it worked great. It probably wouldn’t work very well on wet snow.

We (the Northern Hemisphere) always get arctic excursions in the winter time. Sometimes they are a little colder, and penetrate a little farther south than usual, like this time.

Sometimes we will get several arctic excursions over the winter, usually one in Dec/Jan and one around now or a few weeks later if we get two.

The quetion now is, will we have an early spring freeze this year?

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Reply to  Tom Abbott
February 14, 2021 2:08 pm

“The question now is, will we have this year?”

Define “an early spring freeze”. Where? When? How much?

Then ask Joe D’Aleo and Joe Bastardi at Weatherbell – they are really good at this, and it’s really difficult to do it as well as they do.

RickWill
Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
February 13, 2021 3:13 am

The Atlantic is fragile from an energy perspective. It is the solar collector for all of Europe and half of North America. When it fails to reach the 30C thermostatically limited temperature in the tropics then Europe gets cold. Right now it is only making 28C:
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During glaciation it maxes out at 26C year round. So watch for the peak temperature in the Atlantic during the boreal summer. If it does not make 30C at 0N,0E then watch for snow accumulation in Europe. That will be the time for Europe to think clearly about energy needs.

I do not believe serious cooling is on the horizon for a long time because the orbital eccentricity is lower than it has been for more than a million years but the eccentricity has been reducing for a few thousand years and that has been the precursor of glaciation for the last 6 cycles. It is a matter of whether the difference in energy input between aphelion and perihelion is enough to leave the North Atlantic cold.

There is so much fiddling of temperature data to support the belief that CO2 actually alters the energy balance that all the Climate priests could be left gobb smacked by sustained cooling. It will not fit their belief system. They will deny it until people begin to fall off their perch in large numbers; dying of cold and inadequate heating. It is a dangerous and possibly deadly game they are playing at.

John Tillman
Reply to  RickWill
February 13, 2021 5:51 am

Axial tilt is more important than orbital eccentricity. Earth’s orbit is not very eccentric, although less circular than Venus’.

Loydo
Reply to  RickWill
February 13, 2021 1:26 pm

“…the Climate priests could be left gobb smacked by sustained cooling. It will not fit their belief system. They will deny it until people begin to fall off their perch in large numbers…”

This sustained cooling?
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Crank.

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Don
Reply to  Loydo
February 13, 2021 5:13 pm

The earth can cool much faster than it heats . This makes sense when you see what heats the earth , the sun, occupies approx .5 x .5 of a degree of the sky and the cold 3 degree Kelvin deep dark space occupies all the 359.5 degrees x 359.5 degrees of the rest .

Gordon A. Dressler
Reply to  Don
February 14, 2021 12:16 pm

Don, in all fairness, what you state is not really true . . . in addition to the surface area dependence of radiation energy exchange, one needs to also account for the radiation source temperature per the Stefan-Boltzmann radiation law T^4 dependence (neglecting, to first order, the “back radiation” that is originating from the sink temperature due to the great temperature difference between the two bodies being considered). The T^4 dependence is in terms of absolute temperature.

Thus, the sun is at an absolute effective radiation temperature of about 5,770 K compared to Earth’s “surface”/TOA at an average absolute radiation temperature of about 285 K.

Therefore, per unit steradian of radiation area, the Sun is about (5770/285)^4 = 168,000 times more powerful in radiating energy to Earth than the Earth is in radiating energy to deep space.

Interesting, from the viewpoint of Earth the Sun subtends an area that is about 1/184,800 that of a full sphere, so the product of radiation area and T^4 for the Sun and the Earth are within about 10% of each other, based on just these two factors.

Note that the difference in source and sink emissivities/absorptivities (per the Stefan-Boltzmann law modified for non-ideal blackbodies) was not been applied in the above considerations. Taking these into account (which, by definition includes albedo effects) basically balances the Sun’s energy input to Earth with the Earth’s energy loss to deep space, which—of course— is why the Earth’s average global “surface” temperature is fundamentally stabilized at its current value.

MarkW
Reply to  Loydo
February 13, 2021 5:15 pm

The only mathematical skill Loydo ever demonstrates is a extreme capacity for cherry picking?
Why not measure since the end of the Medieval Warm Perid? Or even better, since the end of the Holocene optimum?

ATheoK
Reply to  Loydo
February 13, 2021 5:22 pm

Well, look at that!
Lolly posts a graphic showing forty years of a sixty year cycle.

Let alone posting a graphic showing full cycles for multiple cycles.

Lolly’s record, 0! A big fat zero!
A record matched by all of the predictions by lolly’s heroes, the global warming bead wearing bone rattle shaking shamans.

Thirty years of failed alarmist predictions coupled with near complete climate science dissolution as practiced by the alarmist faithful.

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ResourceGuy
Reply to  ATheoK
February 14, 2021 9:59 am

Univariate models are right some of the time like broken clocks.

Mike
Reply to  Loydo
February 13, 2021 7:25 pm

No, THIS sustained cooling.

DeFries and 65 year cycles.JPG
fred250
Reply to  Loydo
February 13, 2021 8:19 pm

Poor little Loy-twerp

Thanks for showing everyone that warming ONLY OCCURS AT EL NINO events

We are now in a strong La Nina. that means COOLING is on the way

Or you could just look at UK, Europe, USA, Siberia all freezing their butts off

Try not to be SO, SO DESPERATE as your brain-washed gullibility comes crashing down.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Loydo
February 14, 2021 10:17 am

Where’s my chart!?

There it is!

Hansen 1999 US surface temperature chart, representing the REAL temperature profile of the Earth:

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Note the cold period around 1910 on this chart, then note that temperature became warmer until they reached a high in the 1930’s, then note that the temperatue cooled from the 1940’s to the 1970’s, and note that the cold of the 1970’s is very similar to the cold of the 1910’s, then note that the temperatures warmed from 1980 to the present and note that 1998 on the US chart is equal to 2016’s warmth on the UAH chart.

Now why, seeing the cyclical movement of the climate (cools for a few decades, then warms for a few decades, then cools again, and so on) shouldn’t I assume that the next cycle is cooling?

CO2 didn’t stop the cooling from 1940 to 1980, so why would I assume it will stop it now?

And you are raising questions about “sustained cooling”?

Look at the two charts, the UAH chart and Hansen’s chart. Hansen says 1934 was 0.5C warmer than 1998. The year 1998 and 2016 are tied for hottest year since 1934, but both are still about 0.5C cooler than 1934. That means we have been in a cooling trend since 1934.

What you describe is just a temporary uptick in a continuing cycle of ups and downs within a downtrend.

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Reply to  Tom Abbott
February 15, 2021 1:32 am

All correct Tom – an excellent post, thank you.
 
I have stated many times that global fossil fuel combustion accelerated strongly circa 1940 at the outset of WW2, and yet global temperatures cooled naturally to 1977, the year of the (natural) Great Pacific Climate Shift. That full-Earth-scale test is an absolute disproof of the catastrophic human-made global warming (CAGW) hypothesis.

A full-Earth-scale test is the most credible of analyses – typical molecular-scale analyses have limited credibility in this case because of the known engineering phenomenon called “scale-up errors”, and I suggest that the planet Earth is substantially larger than the CO2 molecule. Beaucoup scale-up!

At a molecular scale, many have argued that CO2 is a greenhouse gas and increasing atmospheric CO2 warms global temperature. In reality, it has been demonstrated that atmospheric CO2 changes LAG temperature changes at all measured time scales, so the CAGW hypothesis falsely states that the future is causing the past. An absolute disproof!

Reply to  Loydo
February 14, 2021 3:20 pm

No, with that:
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That ist the follow-up of that:

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Jeffrey H Kreiley
Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
February 13, 2021 4:30 am

Allan M, I’m a nomadic fella here in the States traveling the road, doing the snowbird thing and I feel so sorry for my Canadian brothers and sisters of like mind who are stuck behind the border dealing with the cold in their vans/rv’s when usually they’d be in Florida or the Southwest enjoying the warmth and sunshine. The world has gone Soviet insane. But them being Canadian they’re putting a good face on it in our correspondence.

Reply to  Jeffrey H Kreiley
February 13, 2021 5:12 am

Hey Jeffrey,

It’s been minus ~30C this week in Calgary. It was a lot warmer the previous week. Re the “good face”: People’s faces are frozen in whatever expression they had one week ago. 🙂 😐 🙁

Actually, the wind is light so it’s not too bad – but for most people, it’s too cold for skiing, skating or hiking.

Premier Kenney just ended the full-Gulag Covid-19 lockdown, and we can now dine in half-capacity restaurants. So many businesses are gone forever, destroyed by the WHO’s bogus lockdown, which was never justified or necessary. Alberta had an Emergency Contagion Plan, but it was ignored – instead our fearless leaders succumbed to panic and escalated the problem with needless and destructive lockdown excesses.

The Premiers all bought into Komrade Trudeau’s lockdown fraud, an early stage of his totalitarian Great Reset. Little by little he is tightening the screws – more repression.

We are governed by scoundrels and imbeciles.

Scissor
Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
February 13, 2021 6:37 am

It’s becoming obvious that actions of some governors, like Cuomo, were actually criminal.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/ny-rep-tom-reed-files-complaint-against-cuomo-aide-for-covid-19-nursing-home-cover-up

Jeffrey H Kreiley
Reply to  Scissor
February 13, 2021 6:46 am

I’m from NY. My family though he was great because that’s what CNN told them. Head Slap! I gave up even trying to argue my point about anything-one can’t compete with a television that is playing CNN at least ten hours per day.

BobM
Reply to  Jeffrey H Kreiley
February 13, 2021 8:13 am

I don’t watch CNN. Have they even mentioned this, yet? What about the CNN reporter/brother of the governor? Has he mentioned any investigation going on or potential crimes yet?

Reply to  BobM
February 13, 2021 5:40 pm

I recall a CNN broadcast, while eating out in a restaurant, in which every timeTrump was shown the chyron scrolling at the bottom of the screen listed the USA total Covid-19 deaths. Cuomo deserves the same treatment: list the NY nursing home deaths every time he appears onscreen. Fortunately the broadcast was muted so it didn’t ruin the meal.

Reply to  Scissor
February 13, 2021 9:22 am

Hi Scissor – It hurts to be correct when nobody listens and they kill off multitudes of good people and the economy anyway. It’s a bit early for a Scotch, but I think I’ll pour some straight malt into my coffee. Best, Allan

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/12/28/fauci-on-moving-the-goalposts/#comment-3153004
[excerpt]

Covid-19 is not that dangerous to healthy people – it IS dangerous to the elderly and infirm.
 
High Covid-19 deaths in locations like New York are due to criminal negligence by the authorities. I published on 21March2020 that there was no justification for the full-Gulag lock-down, but an obvious need to over-protect the elderly and infirm. Countries that did so did very well.
http://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps
 
In contrast, New York State Governor Cuomo (and some others) did the exact opposite and killed multitudes of New York’s high-risk population. Cuomo mandated that nursing homes must accept coronavirus patients even though older people are the most at-risk to die from COVID-19! These patients infected other nursing home residents, resulting in many more deaths. Cuomo issued the order to nursing homes and other assisted living centers on March 25, 2020 according to AP. He did not reverse that policy until May 11.
 
What really happened in many cities was a disaster – hospitals were emptied of patients, elective surgeries were cancelled, and then the hospitals were near-empty for ~8 weeks awaiting the anticipated “tsunami of Covid-19 cases“ that never arrived. Now there is a huge backlog of medical cases that will take many months to clear, and some patients will die awaiting treatment… and the economy is trashed, and low-income people are too, and small businesses are destroyed, and their employees are as well, and…

Gerald Machnee
Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
February 13, 2021 8:03 pm

In addition the TDS killed over half of the 400,000 + in the USA and maybe a million or more around the world including Canada.
After Trump quoted a doctor who was having success with a HCQ combo in March, 2020, two days later the media (CNN mostly), Democrats and Fauci were vilifying him. That spread to Canada as too many here watch CNN and CBC. So they approved the useless Remdesivir and have essentially ignored HCQ and Ivermectin in spite of the 200 or so positive reports:
There is now a large body of reports (at least 203) that show the efficacy of HCQ, Ivermectin, Vitamin D and Zinc: https://c19study.com/
https://hcqmeta.com/
Trump has now been proven correct.
Some states are now passing laws to eliminate lawsuits for liability and backating them back to March, 2020.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Gerald Machnee
February 14, 2021 10:36 am

“After Trump quoted a doctor who was having success with a HCQ combo in March, 2020, two days later the media (CNN mostly), Democrats and Fauci were vilifying him.”

It’s especially aggregious when you learn that Dr. Fauci knew at the start that Hydroxycholoiquine was effective against corona viruses.

Back around 2003 when the SAR-Cov-1 virus was active, Fauci and others were using hydroxychloriquine to treat patients. He even wrote a paper about it.

Then the current Wuhan virus situation pops up and it’s like he forgot everything that happened before Jan. 2020.

Yes, a lot of people that should be alive today are not, and it doesn’t look like there is a good reason which can explain it. We need some accountability.

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Reply to  Tom Abbott
February 15, 2021 1:37 am

“Dr Falsi” pulled off a major scam in the USA, aided globally by the China-dominated WHO and co-conspirators.

Jeffrey H Kreiley
Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
February 13, 2021 6:41 am

Maybe I’ll earn a buck or two and and become a Coyote, sneaking Canadians over the frozen border to southern climes.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Jeffrey H Kreiley
February 13, 2021 8:48 am

You’ll need to come up with a different name for it. How about a moose instead of a coyote, eh?

Tomsa
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
February 13, 2021 9:24 am

Great idea, someone not from our border town asked me yesterday how many illegals were sneaking into Canada now. We were infamous in 2017 for many coming in through here. I told him that likely most will be happy to stay in the US now with the promised citizenship.

Now regarding the topic at hand it’s nice to see at least with this cold weather in GB that at tea time now wind is producing 33% of the power, mind you nearly 3% still from coal. Much better than same time three days ago when wind produced less than 9%.

Bob
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
February 13, 2021 5:22 pm

A wolverine!

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
February 14, 2021 10:42 am

Describe it as a “Buck Moose”.

I agree “coyote” should be applied to the southern US border.

Chris Nisbet
Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
February 13, 2021 11:40 am

Th UK apparently had a pandemic plan as well, which was completely ignored in favour of tried and true (sarc) lockdowns.

Paul C
Reply to  Chris Nisbet
February 15, 2021 8:21 am

The UK only had a FLU pandemic plan – which basically said that everyone will eventually get the flu, so no point trying to slow its spread. Hammering a square peg into a round hole, the government followed this plan until the Wuhan coronavirus was spreading really well, then panicked after belatedly being convinced it isn’t the flu, flipped into an authoritarian big brother, forever-lockdown mode.

Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
February 13, 2021 4:40 am

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La Niña projection ’til 2022 by NASA

Reply to  Krishna Gans
February 13, 2021 5:33 am

Thank you Krishna. Your source please?

https://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/enso_advisory/ensodisc.shtml

EL NIÑO/SOUTHERN OSCILLATION (ENSO)

DIAGNOSTIC DISCUSSION

issued by

CLIMATE PREDICTION CENTER/NCEP/NWS
and the International Research Institute for Climate and Society
11 February 2021

ENSO Alert System Status: La Niña Advisory

Synopsis:  There is a ~60% chance of a transition from La Niña to ENSO-Neutral during the Northern Hemisphere spring 2021 (April-June).

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Reply to  Krishna Gans
February 13, 2021 8:51 am

Thank you – and there is an English translation available.
My German is a little rusty:
“Guten morgan, Gutan tag, Guten aben, Vier bier, bitte.”

Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
February 13, 2021 9:24 am

4 at once ? 😀

Reply to  Krishna Gans
February 13, 2021 2:39 pm

There were four of us on our first business trip, all over West Germany and into the East via Checkpoint Charlie, ~four months before the Berlin Wall fell – now that was a very good day!
 
In München you order them one at a time, because the local beer mug, called a Mass, holds one litre and weighs a ton – your best friend in a bar fight.
 
And in Koln you order Kölsch not by one’s , but by ten’s in tiny little 0.2 litre glasses, and the waiter will chug one of them if you ask him too.
 
Many of the older town halls have a brewery and bar (Rathskeller) in the basement – now that is civilized!
 
German summer beer gardens are the best! Great food and great beer!

ATheoK
Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
February 13, 2021 5:45 pm

Many of the older town halls have a brewery and bar (Rathskeller) in the basement – now that is civilized!”

And they’re open later than most of the other restaurants in the town/city too. Serving German foods not American imitations.
Though the northern German towns feature a number of Matje (herring) dishes, even amongst the desserts.

Reply to  ATheoK
February 13, 2021 6:36 pm

My favorite city in north Germany is Lubeck – I was there in summer 1989. It was possibly the most wealthy city in the world about 1000 years ago.
Hansestadt. A UNESCO World Heritage City.
https://www.visit-luebeck.com/

Not sure about herring for dessert.

Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
February 14, 2021 8:03 am

Kölsch isn’t beer !!!!!comment image

Beer gardens are great, really. !
We have a nice one just a few 100 m away, at northern Rhine border
Worth a look

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Reply to  Krishna Gans
February 14, 2021 2:43 pm

Re your comment “Kölsch isn’t beer !!!!!”
 
Not to get too technical, but it Is a technical website…
 
Kölsch is a beer made without hops, so it lacks that bitter taste that we have come to appreciate. It tastes better and better the more you consume, especially within sight of the magnificent Köln Cathedral.
 
Another hop-less white wheat beer is Blanche de Chambly, made by Unibroue. It is sold far and wide, including in Galveston TX, where they are civilized and people can drink beer while strolling on the waterfront.

https://www.unibroue.com/en/our-beers/blanche-chambly/1
 
“The Blanche de Chambly label features the icon of the city where it is brewed: Fort Chambly. It was converted from a wooden barricade used for fighting against the Iroquois in the middle of the XVII century into a stone fortress to combat the British army at the beginning of the XVIII century. With notes of dried orange peel and coriander seeds, this brew is a worthy representative of classic Belgian-style white wheat beers. To date, it has won more than 34 international medals, including being named “The World’s Best White Beer” on numerous occasions.”

Unibroue make great beers with good strong names, such as:
MAUDITE (8.0 % alcohol)
LA FIN DU MONDE (9.0% alcohol)
TERRIBLE (10.5% alcohol)

I anticipate they will soon brew a 12% alcohol beer, called TABERNAK!

Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
February 14, 2021 3:01 pm
  1. A real beer fan wouldt tell you, Kölsch isn’t a beer.
  2. goto 1.

And my first and last Kölsch I drunk just there near that dome in sight. I didn’t see much of it, as I was more letting out that Kölsch, as it will leave you very quick at he other end of your body.

Reply to  Krishna Gans
February 14, 2021 8:40 pm

Haw! Must have been something you ate!

Köln Cathedral is truly magnificent. After seeing it, you not only believe in God, you are pretty sure you know where he lives!

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Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
February 15, 2021 2:31 am

There are two ways out, it was the liquid one 😀
You wrote correctly
Kölsch is a beer made without hops,

As for a lot of cases, Germany has the “Purity Law” as old as from 1516 !

“A German saying loosely translated as ‘Hops and malt for beer, may God preserve them here’ alludes to the basic ingredients used in beer brewing. These ingredients were laid down in the so-called ‘purity law’ in the Bavarian city of Ingolstadt in 1516. The purity law requires that ‘nothing other than barley, hops and water be used’ to produce beer. The importance of yeast was not known at the time and was added later. The purity law initially applied to the Duchy of Bavaria only but was gradually adopted by the German states and has been the law governing beer brewing in all of Germany since 1906
[…]
The purity law initially applied to the Duchy of Bavaria only but was gradually adopted by the German states and has been the law governing beer brewing in all of Germany since 1906.”
Source

In so far, by law, “Kölsch” isn’t a beer.

A nice building, and I saw a lot of other churches including Notre Dame, Dome of Mayence, doesn’t change my mind in religious questinons.

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Reply to  Krishna Gans
February 13, 2021 3:39 pm

That looks about right.

Kai Dahlqvist
Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
February 13, 2021 10:19 am

OT. The Marxist totalitarian “Great Reset” – “you will own nothing, and you’ll be happy!” must be a misquote. We have not observed any great tendency for Schwab or the WEF people to give away their wealth. The quote should clearly be: “You will own nothing, and We’ll be happy!”

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Reply to  Kai Dahlqvist
February 15, 2021 4:19 am

You are correct Kal. ““You will own nothing, and We’ll be happy!”

I’ve done business on six continents, entered East Berlin via Checkpoint Charlie in 1989 a few months before the Wall fell, and also traveled to Fidel’s Cuba when he was still in power. I’ve seen such countries myself and it’s not pretty.
 
Marxist dictatorships typically start with the “soft sell” – take money from the rich and give it to the poor. etc. It soon transcends to a vicious dictator who lives like a rich feudal prince, supported by a corrupted military that destroys everyone who speaks out against his failures.
 
“I am compelled to reject Bolshevism for two reasons: First, because the price mankind must pay to achieve Communism by Bolshevik methods is too terrible; and secondly because, even after paying the price, I do not believe the result would be what the Bolsheviks profess to desire.”
– “The Practice and Theory of Bolshevism” by Bertrand Russel, 1920
 
Bertrand Russel was directionally correct, but he underestimated the evils of Bolshevism – for example, the ~130 million of their own citizens murdered by Stalin and Mao, and more killed by Pol Pot and all the other Marxist Tin Pots of Asia, Africa and South America.
 
Haven’t these leftist lunatics killed enough people? – about 200 million souls just in the 20th Century!
 
Leftists (aka Socialists aka Progressives) say it will be different this time – believe me, it won’t!
 
Do we really have to do this again? Apparently yes.
 
I fear for our children and grandchildren.

Regards, Allan

Rolf H Carlsson
February 13, 2021 2:21 am

If this weather continues, maybe London can restore the “Winter market” on the ice of Tames like back during LIA in the 17th century!

Scissor
Reply to  Rolf H Carlsson
February 13, 2021 7:01 am

It’s nice to see some frozen canals in the Netherlands.

andy in epsom
Reply to  Rolf H Carlsson
February 13, 2021 11:24 am

During the LIA the thames was not restricted like it is now. It is now almost impossible for the Thames in central london to freeze due to all the work done to contain the river. THe real problem will be flooding should the alarmist warning about ice melt prove to be true. I used to walk along the river Thames to St Pauls cathedral every day for work and sometimes oin high tides the water level was incredibly high. THey now even think that the Thames barrier at greenwich will not help.

John Pickens
Reply to  Rolf H Carlsson
February 13, 2021 12:09 pm

I see that today (Sat. 13 Feb.) is predicted to be the last very cold day in the Netherlands.
The 2 week forecast for Northern areas on the North Sea shows minimum temps exceeding 34F/1C beginning on Tuesday (16 Feb.), and continuing until two weeks from tomorrow (28 Feb.).

I note that many weather sites bake in a hotter minimum temperature in their two week outlooks. It will be interesting to see if the overnight lows get below freezing during the period.

Alan M
February 13, 2021 2:24 am

No no can’t be, those are just “Jesus seagulls”

KAT
Reply to  Alan M
February 13, 2021 3:06 am

Must be Petrels. They just “appear” to walk on water.
Seriously – we cannot take much more of this “Global Warming”.
Maybe we should all practise more “breathing out” and less “breathing in” to increase CO2? /sarc

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Alan M
Reply to  KAT
February 14, 2021 5:04 am

24 hrs on and “your ABC” gave a brief 30 sec mention at the end of the tv news of cold conditions in the Netherlands and the UK without comment about being the coldest since whenever, if this had been warm weather oh my god it would have been armageddon.

Alan M
Reply to  Alan M
February 13, 2021 5:07 am

Bloody hell it must be bad, just watched “your ABC” news here in Perth and not a squeak

fred250
February 13, 2021 2:25 am

Even better picture

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fred250
Reply to  fred250
February 13, 2021 2:28 am

ps.. I hope griff’s heaters aren’t working 🙂

Jones
Reply to  fred250
February 13, 2021 2:34 am

Propane or solar?

KAT
Reply to  fred250
February 13, 2021 3:08 am

Heaters? Griff?
Not necessary – plenty of hot air!

Reply to  fred250
February 13, 2021 4:34 am

That’s the climate / weather griff likes 😀 listening his words of the dangerous warming.

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LdB
Reply to  fred250
February 13, 2021 7:46 am

He is a paid hack … like all the other hypocrites he will have a large carbon footprint and isn’t going to be getting cold that is for the plebs.

Graemethecat
Reply to  fred250
February 14, 2021 2:36 pm

I’m hoping Griff gets stuck in a lift during a power cut one day.

fred250
February 13, 2021 2:33 am

Is there a Dr Viner anywhere about?

I wanted to ask him if he’d seen any snow. 🙂

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9252937/Big-freeze-continues-Britain-told-brace-four-inches-snow-50mph-gales-today.html

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Vuk
Reply to  fred250
February 13, 2021 2:40 am

Yep, here ‘he’ is on his winter break in Aberdeenshire comment image

Alan M
Reply to  fred250
February 13, 2021 2:45 am

Great pictures but the Daily News doesn’t like adblocker

KAT
Reply to  fred250
February 13, 2021 4:10 am

Are you perchance referring to Dr D Viner PhD (IYI)??

Redge
Reply to  fred250
February 13, 2021 6:20 am

For those of you who may not remember the reference you need to go to the Wayback Machine as the Independent seems to have “lost” the original

According to Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia,within a few years winter snowfall will become “a very rare and exciting event”.

“Children just aren’t going to know what snow is,” he said.

Reply to  Redge
February 13, 2021 8:55 am

winter snowfall will become “a very rare and exciting event”.

Dr Viner and colleagues must be very excited indeed!

Redge
Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
February 13, 2021 8:58 am

They’re saying it’s just weather 😉

Peter W
Reply to  Redge
February 13, 2021 4:30 pm

It certainly is interesting to see how all it takes is a little weather to get rid of all that terrible heat trapped by that awful CO2. Given that, why is it we should be so concerned?

ResourceGuy
Reply to  fred250
February 13, 2021 6:45 am

Blinders on securely, run and hide. They no the drill from Peak Oil quiet times.

Ron Long
February 13, 2021 2:43 am

I wonder how the “Doom Pixie”, aka Greta, will spin this? How does a CAGW fanatic reconcile this with their burning hell on earth belief?

Redge
Reply to  Ron Long
February 13, 2021 6:23 am

She’ll just use the hat from her x-ray vision to melt the snow

Alba
Reply to  Ron Long
February 13, 2021 8:56 am

You’re forgetting that all and any weather anywhere is caused by global warming.Thus freezing weather is caused by global warming. Simple. There are large grants available to people who can prove all this. Who knows, maybe even a knighthood. I’m sure that GT will one day be made an honorary Dame. She maybe just needs to reach a certain age.

YallaYPoora Kid
Reply to  Alba
February 13, 2021 1:42 pm

See lefty Deutsche Welle news article translated from German – all cooling is because of global warming.

https://p.dw.com/p/3pDBy

Tom
Reply to  Ron Long
February 13, 2021 11:26 am

The thermostat is set a little low in your house overnight, so it’s getting cold, and there’s a girl with a disability screaming “FIRE! EMERGENCY! CALL 911! MY FUTURE IS IN DANGER! WAKE UP EVERYONE!”

ren
February 13, 2021 2:47 am

By Feb. 17, the stratospheric intrusion will extend westward. I predict record low temperatures in the Rocky Mountains.comment image

Johanus
Reply to  ren
February 13, 2021 4:29 am

earth.nullschool.net has a very useful orthographic viewing mode, which depicts both NH polar vortices very clearly, and shows that the tropospheric PV (~200hPa) currently has great vertical height (up to 10hPA) over eastern U.S.

This view shows entire stratospheric PV centered over N. Greenland, and portion of tropospheric PV over eastern U.S.
https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/isobaric/10hPa/orthographic=-114.05,70.41,484

Planetary view of polar jet stream associated with tropospheric PV at 250hPA
https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/isobaric/250hPa/orthographic=-116.21,75.81,288

Disclaimer: these animations are powered by NCEP GFS reanalysis initialized with current conditions 😐

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Johanus
February 14, 2021 10:51 am

Nullschool is great!

Reply to  ren
February 13, 2021 9:00 am

By Feb. 17, the stratospheric intrusion will extend westward. I predict record low temperatures in the Rocky Mountains.

It’s been freezing cold in Alberta and BC for about one week to date. Typically minus30C lows here in Calgary – that is temperature, not wind chill.

Gerald Machnee
Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
February 13, 2021 8:08 pm

We have to move it to the greens in british columbia.

Reply to  fred250
February 13, 2021 4:59 am

Acces denied….

Redge
Reply to  fred250
February 13, 2021 6:23 am

Computer says no.

fred250
Reply to  fred250
February 13, 2021 10:21 am
Pat from kerbob
Reply to  fred250
February 13, 2021 12:39 pm

I could open it.
Where is Griff, isn’t this the blowback from Siberian heat wave stories from last year?
Is this my fault too?

Peter
Reply to  fred250
February 14, 2021 12:49 pm

From Europe it doesn’t work. Only works through VPN from US. So much about free internet.

David Stone CEng (Elec)
February 13, 2021 3:07 am

So “Green” electricity is being agreed by SSE and the Government not to work. About time too, but they want to blame the consumers and switch them off! Not me though, I won’t have one of those meters until hell freezes over. Oh dear, perhaps it is, the UK is anyway and certainly a version of hell for us at the moment with Covid “safety” measures.

ResourceGuy
Reply to  David Stone CEng (Elec)
February 13, 2021 6:42 am

It’s the 1706 freeze without the financial industry advantages that were growing back then.

fred250
February 13, 2021 3:11 am

Limfjorden, North Jutland region of Denmark

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Normandy in France

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fred250
February 13, 2021 3:28 am

Frozen canal in the UK, Feb 11

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ren
February 13, 2021 3:36 am

Temperature anomalies in Europe.comment image

angech
Reply to  ren
February 13, 2021 3:44 am

The arctic has past the lowest mark for Arctic Sea Ice already today heading upwards and still 20 odd days of freezing to go.
Should be able to squeeze well past 14,000,000.
With current cold conditions may do a whole lot more.
La Nina and a cool start to the year for a change.

fred250
Reply to  angech
February 13, 2021 3:51 am

“Should be able to squeeze well past 14,000,000.

.

NSIDC already has it at 14.577 M km²

Will it reach 15 Wadhams ?… that is the question.

Scissor
Reply to  fred250
February 13, 2021 7:06 am

Yeah, that’s greater than the 1974 max.

fred250
Reply to  Scissor
February 13, 2021 10:22 am

Unfortunately, my data doesn’t go back that far

Do you have a data source please.

Scissor
Reply to  fred250
February 14, 2021 5:46 am

Parkinson and Cavalieri, ARCTIC SEA ICE 1973-1987: SEASONAL, REGIONAL, AND INTERANNUAL VARIABILITY, JOURNAL OF GEOPHYSICAL RESEARCH, VOL. 94, NO. C10, PAGES 14,499-14,523.

Dermot Lee
Reply to  fred250
February 15, 2021 1:41 am

Cambridge University, still produces “rotten apples”. From ““blue ocean “ Wadhams,to Gopal and her problem with Europeans, usually white.
Not content with just supplying soviet spies,now cosying up to the CCP for cash!!!!

ozspeaksup
February 13, 2021 3:42 am

so all the birdshredders are still and iced over i guess?

fred250
Reply to  ozspeaksup
February 13, 2021 3:54 am

Apparently not.

Pretty strong winds causing all this cold, Wind energy providing some 37% of demand.

Vuk
Reply to  ozspeaksup
February 13, 2021 8:44 am

Currently: Gas 12GW, wind 13.5GW, nuclear 5GW, total demand 39GW

Peter W
Reply to  Vuk
February 13, 2021 4:34 pm

BRRRRRR!

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Vuk
February 14, 2021 10:54 am

So they are short of supplying all their demand.

Ben Vorlich
February 13, 2021 3:51 am

My mother always claimed the winter of 1946/47 was more severe than 1962/63. That winter didn’t get bad until the end of January, according to Wikipedia 23 January 1947. The snow lasted until mid-March and was followed by severe flooding when it thawed. In some areas looding only surpassed by recent floods caused by building on flood plains and concrete gardens

ren
Reply to  Ben Vorlich
February 13, 2021 4:45 am

Yes, flooding in Europe is certain on the Rhine, Oder, Vistula and other rivers.

Reply to  Ben Vorlich
February 13, 2021 5:37 am

Ben,

My dad would also agree with your mum about the 1946/47 winter. He took us to Chester to walk on the river ice at Christmas 1962 and even after the Boxing Day storm had done its worst he was not really all that impressed.

Dave Andrews
Reply to  Ben Vorlich
February 13, 2021 8:08 am

Yep, my mum said exactly the same. I was thirteen and living in Wallasey on the Wirral in 62/63. We didn’t have as bad a winter as many parts of the country but I still vividly remember the day when the worst of the snow was over and I set off for school on my bike, rather than taking the bus, got 5 minutes down the road and was so cold that I could only turn round, go home and plead for more bus fare,

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Reply to  Ben Vorlich
February 13, 2021 3:22 pm

That is interesting. Note that 1946/47 is only several years after the solar minimum. I moved into the mountains in April of 2011, several years after the solar minimum. I stayed on a friend’s property, and was surprised at how cold it was for the time of year. Then I was truly surprised when temps stayed below 50F for the entire month of May 2011. Every night was freezing cold.

Now here we are several years after the solar minimum, and look at what the weather is doing. Is all of that coincidental?

ren
February 13, 2021 3:53 am

The Great Lakes are currently freezing fast.
https://www.glerl.noaa.gov/data/ice/#currentConditions

mkelly
Reply to  ren
February 13, 2021 6:39 am

The faster Superior freezes the less snow we get here in eastern UP of Michigan.

Reply to  ren
February 13, 2021 3:15 pm

Wow, those graphs look like real hockey sticks.

ren
February 13, 2021 4:01 am

Snowstorms in the UK.
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fretslider
February 13, 2021 4:27 am

Where’s my global warming?

Ric
February 13, 2021 4:28 am

Greta, any comments?

February 13, 2021 4:31 am

The polar vortex will split again

comment image

GFS prognoses tend to forecast a march winter in Europe

Reply to  Krishna Gans
February 13, 2021 5:25 am

Krishna
Eastern Scotland has just experienced 2 days 09th -10th Feb of “Lake Effect Snow” as the “Beast from the East” blew snow showers with falls of graupel and powder snow, in from the North Sea, and a nighttime inland temperature low of –7C reported in Bathgate to the west.
Following this a superb example of a Polar Low developed in the North Sea on Thursday 11th Feb.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Philip Mulholland
February 13, 2021 9:53 am

re: Graupel

Wow, never knew it had a name! I grew up in northern Virginia, and never saw that kind of snow. I’d been in many other places during winter (New Jersey, Ohio, Denver, Illinois) and never saw it. Not until I moved to the Pacific Northwest. It’s a regular occurrence here. Looks like Perlite.

Reply to  Jeff Alberts
February 13, 2021 12:48 pm

Jeff,

It is a word of Germanic origin

The formation of graupel is a really interesting process.

They are the result of super-cooled water droplets near the base of the cloud being frozen by falling snow.
As the slowly falling flakes from the top of the cloud reach the droplets toward its base, the touch of the solid snowflake immediately freezes the super-cooled water droplet. Being round they have a lower wind resistance and so fall faster.to the ground.

That is why you will typically see graupel falls followed by snow.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Philip Mulholland
February 13, 2021 5:28 pm

Thank you sir.

Tom
Reply to  Krishna Gans
February 13, 2021 5:51 am

I remember a “Marzwinter” in Frankfurt Germany some 4 decades ago. Frankfurt lies at the 50th parallel, farther north than any point in Continental US. There were daffodils growing in some green gardens in the middle of March. It appears that won’t be happening this year.

The date was memorable since the driver who picked me up at the airport had been a soldier in the German army in WWII. Jimmy Carter had just announced that the US would not participate in the Olympics to be held in the USSR. I asked the driver if Germany would follow this. His reply: “Of course! The US is our greatest friend”. The weather is not the only thing changing.

Reply to  Tom
February 13, 2021 2:47 pm

I live not far from Francfort, just vis à vis of Mainz some meters from Rhine shore.
I hate March winter, because in March latest, our garden season starts.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Krishna Gans
February 14, 2021 10:57 am

Yes, the cold over the U.S. is heading Europe’s way.

Gregory Woods
February 13, 2021 4:37 am

OT Russia CC:

https://russiamatters.org/analysis/expert-survey-how-will-climate-change-impact-us-russian-relations

Expert Survey: How Will Climate Change Impact US-Russian Relations?

As the effects of climate change grow more intense each year, attention is shifting to the inevitable geopolitical impacts of a warming planet. In 2020, Russia experienced its warmest winter on record, while the summer saw forest fires rip through Siberia like never before. At the same time, a warming Arctic has opened up previously inaccessible shipping lanes, providing Russia with new economic opportunities. Research by experts like Marshall Burke, deputy director of the Center for Food Security and the Environment at Stanford University, and Russian climate ecologist Nadezhda Tchebakova suggests that Russia is uniquely well-positioned to capitalize on climate change

[more exspurt opinion]

February 13, 2021 4:47 am

Here is a video of the River Dee at Chester frozen solid during the winter freeze of Christmas 1962.

ren
February 13, 2021 4:56 am

Will it still be wintry in Europe in March? I’m afraid so. The polar vortex forecast indicates a high NAO.comment image

Reply to  ren
February 13, 2021 3:10 pm

I think that spring will be well delayed this year, or perhaps non existent in areas around the NH. Just as it was in the spring of 2011 in Northern California.

mwhite
February 13, 2021 5:39 am
Peta of Newark
February 13, 2021 5:49 am

A few sheets of thin ice on quiet parts of the river (marinas, locks etc) does not mean:
The Thames Has Frozen
Get a grip people. Get a life while you’re about

Because, what do we see happening?

Apols for a bit of cross threading but…..
What we see here from both sides are Epic New Openings for folks intent on Breaking Your Will

e.g. Police ‘outnumbered’ by
Actually get a Real Load of that, someone seems to think there should be more coppers than civilians. Lord help us.
Could they not have pulled their guns and shot a few, as per they do in the USA?

But but but, that tiny wee problem is already sorted..
my child’s physical and mental health
i.e. Create new police officers while they’re still in cradles

just in case a few escape that net..
Smash their will at their first ever birthday party

Oh no, more got away…lets have their will smashed

How are the New Coders coming along Joe, we need ’em here right now.
And if that ain’t soul-destroying, what is?
Try this or this or this

Meantime, especially if you’re at the BBC, visit some of those ‘cold weather’ reports.
Hit Cntr+F then start typing ‘climate’

Compare to any ‘Hot Weather’ reports you can find

Prepare to be blown away, just like the haha temperature record was at Cambridge

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ResourceGuy
February 13, 2021 6:13 am

The timing is perfect there and in the U.S. where the forces of claptrap climate science were preparing their final assault on middle earth…in the midst of a pandemic with mutating virus strains. The potential for policy and climate communication over reach is everywhere.

ResourceGuy
February 13, 2021 6:19 am

No, it can’t have anything to do with a multi-cycle solar minimum or AMO turning down, or ENSO, or PDO. It must be the univariate model of CO2 having a bad day.

Peter W
Reply to  ResourceGuy
February 13, 2021 4:40 pm

Just goes to show how little you can depend on gaseous emissions for anything.

Yooper
February 13, 2021 6:35 am

How’s the grid doing in Germany?

Reply to  Yooper
February 13, 2021 2:48 pm

Ask griff, he thinks to know it better than Germans, and he lives in GB 😀
For the moment, grids are ok

Reply to  Yooper
February 13, 2021 3:06 pm

The French grid has peaked up fairly high in recent days. … https://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/france/

February 13, 2021 7:01 am

Climate alarmists are looking very foolish these days …
https://newtube.app/user/RAOB/I97sm2D

ResourceGuy
February 13, 2021 7:06 am

I predict a major cooling…………in the rate of climate change warning calls and policy claims.

Philo
February 13, 2021 7:25 am

Mr. MCCrae- Thanks immensely for sticking to your guns and data. I don’t follow individual scientists closely, but you and a couple of others are the only ones who have “stuck to the data” and made usefully accurate predictions BEFORE events such as the return of snow and cold weather to the UK.
The same kind of weather shows signs of returning to the northern USA, as predicted. Just from recollection cold weather in the northern has occurred at roughly 20-30 year intervals 1950’s, ~1978, 1993, 2010, and now 2020’s.

As far as I can tell, and I’m sure you and your colleagues know, that you are the only group with any kind of a positive track record in PREDICTION.

I certainly hope the powers that be take note and use your results, as opposed to doing the bidding of the bilionaires and the “climate clique”.

Scissor
February 13, 2021 7:31 am
Olen
February 13, 2021 7:45 am

People good at rigging events will have reasons for the cold spell and it will include CO2. It won’t be true but some will turn off their heat if they have it to contribute to saving the world.

Others will have an epiphany and turn the heat on if they have it.

Jan de Jong
February 13, 2021 7:48 am

For the first time in my life (a good 7 decades so far) I am seriously considering getting a generator, to have at least some backup heating options (also, the gas heater is an electronic apparatus). We live in the Netherlands and I strongly suspect the NW European politicians of planning and succeeding in more vandalism the coming years.

Gordon A. Dressler
February 13, 2021 7:52 am

We can all take comfort in this evidence that the actions of AGW/CAGW alarmists and anti-fossil fuel proponents are finally producing the effect of heading Earth toward another LIA, if not “snowball” climate.

Congratulations . . . way to go, folks! (You too, Joe Biden.)

/sarc off

Climate believer
February 13, 2021 8:07 am

What has this one weather event got to do with climate?

Don’t you think it’s just a tad hypocritical?

You’re making a rod for your own back.

M Courtney
Reply to  Climate believer
February 13, 2021 9:34 am

It’s got nothing to do with climate. It is weather.

But this demonstrates that the weather varies by something like 30°C year on year, everywhere.
While the worst case for AGW climate change is 3°C in 100 years.

We need to adapt to the weather regardless of what resources we use up while trying to control the climate. And as changes in the weather are 10 times as large and 100 times as fast, we don’t need to worry about climate change. We won’t notice the cost of adaptation as we cope with real emergencies every year.

That’s why weather events that clearly prove that AGW is a very small issue should be highlighted.
They helps us prioritise our resources appropriately.

Bill Parsons
Reply to  M Courtney
February 13, 2021 10:54 pm

Well said.

Pat from kerbob
Reply to  Climate believer
February 13, 2021 11:10 am

No, it’s pointing out the hypocrisy of the alarmists
Of course it’s “weather”. But if it happens again, then next year, then the year after, that is more than weather

Barry Clarke
Reply to  Climate believer
February 13, 2021 12:01 pm

it has everything to do with climate science ,that told us for over 30 years no more snow, the models and loud mouth politicians pushing for green energy. for the last 3 years at least particularly in north america winter is getting colder. the only rod being made is firmly in the back of corrupt ipcc science, and the corrupt politicians who pay and rewrite the data and present it to push their agendas.

jtom
Reply to  Climate believer
February 13, 2021 1:46 pm

Weather = test scores; climate = semester average.

Say your child claims he has just made the necessary adjustments to raise his 70 semester average to an 80, and now his test scores will be higher. What’s wrong with that? Well, first, he’s put the cart before the horse. He must first change his test scores before claiming he has raised his average.

On top of that, his next test score is a 60, below his old average. What must his next test score be to achieve the higher average? And most importantly, do you honestly believe he has raised his average?

February 13, 2021 8:18 am

The Thames freezes…

Sure, AGW,

Not.

ren
February 13, 2021 8:39 am

It promises to be an unusually cold night in the northern US.comment image
https://www.wunderground.com/weather/KMNROCHE21
Pressure1036.23 hPa

Al Miller
February 13, 2021 8:59 am

The great lie of climate change is dying and everyone who can think independently can see it. The emperor truly has no clothes!

Dan
February 13, 2021 9:49 am

Guess what the noisy narrative would be if this was about some river that normally froze over, but didn’t this winter.

Pat from kerbob
February 13, 2021 11:07 am

I have been posting links to the alberta AESO site for the last week to LinkedIn and elsewhere to stir things up, showing our wind assets have gone from zero to 15% max over the previous 7 days, currently at 2%

http://ets.aeso.ca/ets_web/ip/Market/Reports/CSDReportServlet

Brilliant clear sky at noon, 3% from solar assets, duh tilt of the earth

The point is to demonstrate in ways regular people cannot misunderstand how wind and solar are incapable of providing 100% of our power as so many clowns insist
The alarmists would rather this info stay out of mind

7 days below -30c with essentially zero wind and solar would mean a lot of human popsicles

jtom
Reply to  Pat from kerbob
February 13, 2021 1:51 pm

“ 7 days below -30c with essentially zero wind and solar would mean a lot of human popsicles.” You have to remember, that is a feature, not a flaw. To ensure that they and their descendants never suffer any type of deprivation, the elites are stampeding the lemmings over a cliff.

TheFinalNail
February 13, 2021 11:48 am

“In Newcastle, families woke up to the city blanketed by snow with the wintry weather also hitting parts of northeast Scotland as well as coastal regions in northeast England.”

An alternative headline for this article might be: “Wintry weather strikes parts of the UK in winter!” Hardly shocking.

There is nothing at all unusual about winter cold spells in the UK. CET, the oldest instrument temperature record in the world, is currently -0.8C cooler than the long term average for February 2021, to date. Well within the normal range: https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/hadobs/hadcet/cet_info_mean.html

As for the Northern Hemisphere, whilst some areas of it are colder than average, overall it was estimated to be +0.5C warmer than average for this date, Feb 13th, compared to the 1979-2000 base period:comment image

farmerbraun
Reply to  TheFinalNail
February 13, 2021 12:34 pm

O.K but it is now spring in the N.H.
It is a little unusual to be this cold in N.Z., during the hottest month (usually), it being early Autumn here as the poplar leaves do attest.
Never mind , my Eye of Newt almanac predicts a respite from cold from mid- March to mid- April , and then back to cold as the dry continues .
We’ll see.

TheFinalNail
Reply to  farmerbraun
February 14, 2021 2:32 am

It is still winter in the NH. NH spring doesn’t start until March. March 1st is the start of meteorological spring; astronomical spring starts on March 20th.

fred250
Reply to  TheFinalNail
February 13, 2021 10:51 pm

World, only a measly 0.2ºC above a period that starts at the coldest year in nearly a century

You are BENT, TWISTED and RUSTY.

USELESS for any purpose whatsoever.

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Walter Sobchak
February 13, 2021 12:31 pm

I am sure the cold weather is caused by climate change. /sarc

ren
Reply to  Walter Sobchak
February 13, 2021 2:09 pm

This year, winter is milder in southern Asia, but not in the north.comment image

Vuk
February 13, 2021 1:27 pm

Mediterranean town of Ulcinj under fresh snowcomment image?ver=1613221553

ResourceGuy
February 13, 2021 1:50 pm

They are also doing a great job fighting global warming in Oregon and Washington.

A major winter storm is bringing heavy snow and freezing rain to the Pacific Northwest, including the cities of Portland, Oregon, and Seattle, Washington. Over 0.8 inch of ice has been reported in some places just south of Portland and 2 to 3 inches of snow have already fallen in both Portland and Seattle, with more expected to come.
Over 200,000 customers are currently without power in Oregon because of the ice.

Reply to  ResourceGuy
February 13, 2021 2:52 pm

Yesterday was the best rain over the entire fall winter period to date, here in Northern California.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  goldminor
February 14, 2021 11:26 am

This series of storms is probably going to eliminate most of the drought in the U.S. For a little while.

TonyG
Reply to  Tom Abbott
February 14, 2021 1:13 pm

I wouldn’t mind a little drought here in NC

Reply to  ResourceGuy
February 14, 2021 3:30 pm

Western part of Germany wait for rain over strongly frozen ground on monday morning, later parts in eastern Germany too.
Circulation this mornig will become an adventure.

observa
February 13, 2021 3:00 pm

“The freezing weather comes as 15 weather stations in Britain recorded their lowest temperature ever for February overnight on Wednesday.”

That’s the problem with those pesky automatic digital thermometers and a pitiful thermometer record. They cut both ways doomsters.

observa
Reply to  observa
February 13, 2021 3:35 pm

And naturally that -22 Feb record at Braemar means no UHI effect-

“With a population of less than a thousand, the small village of Braemar on the edge of the Scottish Highlands in rural Aberdeenshire isn’t the sort of place you would imagine making too many headlines or breaking many records.
But every few years, Braemar finds itself front-page news in several national newspapers.”

Braemar, Aberdeenshire viewpoint (discoveringbritain.org)

Which we’ll find with all 15 of them unless they’ve had a move.

Joe
February 13, 2021 6:38 pm

That’s just increasing global temperature causing water to spontaneously “harden” along with various anti-gravity effects that allow seabirds to walk on the “hardened” water.

Reply to  Joe
February 14, 2021 3:33 pm

And I thought walk over water is necessary when unable to swim, but it was AGW 2021 years ago….. Never mind

Mike
February 13, 2021 7:50 pm

Oh NO! Does this mean co2 has to start all over again?

goracle
February 13, 2021 8:57 pm

it’s so hot that it’s cold… the scientists would never lie.. they’re all above board… are you a science denier?

Dave Huff
February 14, 2021 6:08 am

When it freezes hard enough to walk on, call me…..

ResourceGuy
February 14, 2021 10:03 am

This would be a great time to turn off the heat at all the palaces—for the cause.

Peter
February 14, 2021 12:58 pm

Please pray for real global warming…those mates are freezing…..

Bindidon
February 14, 2021 2:11 pm

No need to panic in Europe.

January and February were not so terribly different from what we experienced near Berlin in Germoney in 2018.

We had a few nights below -10 °C, so what.

I recall February 1956, January 1963, January 1979, February 1987…

And especially CONUSians should not forget what happened in IL, MN etc etc.
-30 °C in Chicago…

Compared with such temperatures, a bit of ice on the Thames is NOTHING.

In February 1956, not the average temperature for Germoney was -10 °C… It was the anomaly below the mean of 1981-2010. What that means should be easily understood.

What has been anormal were the winters 2016-17, 2018-19, 2019-20: too warm.
But… I enjoyed all of them, I feel no need for snow or ice anymore.

J.-P. D.

Patrick MJD
February 14, 2021 11:18 pm

My family tell me the UK is having one of its coldest winters in decades, many are reminded of the cold winters of the 60’s and 70’s, the years that “scientists” were predicting a new ice age was approaching.

February 15, 2021 11:26 am

Cool!