Reposted from the NoTricksZone
By P Gosselin on 1. January 2021
“Even in the USA, we have friends waiting to massacre you”… “a killer will always be very close”
Two days ago, December 30th, anthropogenic global warming (AGW) science skeptic Marc Morano received yet another email threat through the Contact form submission on his Climate Depot site.
Climate researcher Prof. Jean-Luc Melice’s email account appears to be the source of a crude death threat aimed at prominent climate science skeptic, Marc Morano.
Professor at Sorbonne University
The death threat was made using an email account belonging to Prof. Jean-Luc Mélice, a distinguished climate modeling researcher and Director at the Pierre-Simon Laplace Institute, Sorbonne University in Paris, France.
It’s the latest in a series of threats aimed at Marc Morano of Climate Depot, see background here.
What follows is the content of the most recent email threat, translated to the English (Warning: disturbing language):
From: Anonymous
Email: jlmelice@hotmail.fr
Message: So, the little shit of Morano the Moron, the negroid from Africa, you have to start shitting in your pants. With your filthy monkey mouth. As soon as you set foot in Europe, we’ll demolish with a baseball bat. Even in the USA, we have friends waiting to massacre you. You have no place to hide anymore. We have your address and we follow you step by step. You will never be able to rest… a killer will always be very close…Of course asshole, you do not have the intellectual level and the brain to understand french, wich is once again the language of every educated person…”
Not only does the message contain graphic threats of death, but also racial hatred. According to Prof. Jean-Luc Mélice’s LinkedIn account, he is a faculty member of the University of Sorbonne.
No comment from Prof. Mélice
In an attempt to clear up the matter, NTZ sent an email directly to Prof. Mélice to ask if he was aware that his email account was being illegally misused:
Dear Prof. Mélice,
Please check your email account because it is being used to send out improper emails and messages, especially to people who are looking at climate science critically. Perhaps a hacker has breached your account and is using it illegally.
Hope this helps you out and that you are well.
Best wishes for 2021,Dipl.-Ing. Pierre Gosselin
https://notrickszone.com“
So far no reply has been received. Meanwhile Marc Morano said he would be taking the threats seriously and would contact the authorities.
Unfriendly comment to NTZ
Earlier on the same day, December 30th, NoTricksZone.com also had received an unfriendly comment from someone claiming to be Prof. Mélice:
In English:
So Pierre Gosselin,
Are you trying to play intelligent?
I believe the only solution for you is to quickly enter an old folks’ home.
I’d love for you to send me your CV, which must be lousy…as well as your scientific publications.
Regards, Jean-Luc Mélice.
Cyber-crime
It’s not clear whether the crude threats aimed at Marc Morano are really coming from Prof. Mélice, or from a hacker. If they aren’t, Prof. Mélice has the minimum obligation of making sure his account does not get used to commit criminal acts and hopefully will notify the authorities to get this situation under control.
And hopefully the authorities will act and execute justice.
Disgrace
Taken altogether, such threats originating from the email account of a professor is a disgrace to the academic community and to Paris-based Sorbonne University.
And it would be an even bigger disgrace if the authorities failed to act.
The Bible says it best: “By their fruit you will recognize them.” — Matthew 7:16
Quite often, one doesn’t require the full growing season. 😁
Ain’t human wisdom wonderful?
Believe or die… something, something, science. 🤦♂️
I wonder how some of these moronic academics come to be described as “distinguished”? If this joker and Mickey Mann (who should be in State Pen not Penn State) are anything to judge by, they are distinguished by their stupidity and bias!
Along the same lines that Mike Lowe questions:
How does anyone become “distinguished” by writing or running programs that are constantly erroneous?
Even if it is only a student or postdoc using the alleged professor’s account; Sorbonne University should clean up their rolls.
It is a distinguishing feature.
Exactly that. Being constantly wrong is distiguishing, don’t you think?
“And it would be an even bigger disgrace if the authorities failed to act.”
Considering the events of the last two months, there’s nothing new about that.
Scary stuff.
Please be careful you guys. You don’t have to be confrontational to make your point.
Happy New Year.
I built a site with a contact form. No one who abused it ever gave a correct email address and of course the form itself is not accessed by ‘an email account’ but by an HTML form.
Pretty much as this form I am typing into right now has nothing to do with the email address I give below.
Tracing the origin of such abuse is something I have done professionally. It is non trivial.
Whoever posted that in the contact form was almost certainly not the person whose name appeared on the email and neither was his email account hacked.
It will be, by definition, a false flag abuser. Why he would pick a climate scientist to smear I will leave up to you to decide.
Correct. The email address typed into a web contact form has NO validity.
If it was a direct email, that’s one thing, but like you said – anyone can enter ANY email address into a contact form. That doesn’t even have anything to do with security.
I think, suggesting the professor did this, or even that he could do anything about it (i.e. “check your account”), is going too far in this case. Contact the authorities and let them handle it. Frankly, given the evidence, I doubt anything will come of it.
I haven’t created any websites for a while but two reasons I never used a contact form is as you say any email addy can be used and secondly the sender does not retain a record of it unless they go through some trouble.
I always created a link that brought up their email program with the necessary details already entered and that way they easily retained a record of it and a semi valid email addy had to be used.
Unless they used a good proxy service, the IP address of their browser used will be in the form as well. At least I always coded my contact forms to capture that information. At the very least it gives a starting place to look for the idiot.
I don’t know what the laws are like in France but where I am, internet service providers are required to keep their logs for a certain period of time. You and I can’t get at those logs but the police can if they have a warrant.
My advice to everyone is that anything you do on line can be traced. The poster boy for someone who should have known better would be General Petraeus. Over the years I’ve seen lots of examples of people tripped up by something they did on line, including some where I had no clue that lawyers (ie. not even the police) could get at the records.
The ISP would not log this – only the owner or administrator of the website could, as the senders IP address would have to be a valid return address and would be available to the web server for logging purposes. ISPS do not log packets passing through their systems, only people running servers log connections.
However that is still only half the story. Source IP addresses change with ISPS who dynamically issue them and rotate them among customers. So you need to
Sure if you have the resources and authority of a national intelligence operation…but realistaically, even when I was involved and it was only the first two conditions to be met we were paid a lot of money to track down an individual flooding a company with obscene mail. It took three of is from 10 in the moring to 4 in the afternoon, and the help of an internet cafe owner, to get the man responsible.
Ain’t gonna happen unless its national security.
And yet over the years I have read many accounts of people whose online activities were traced and who were tracked down. That said, the most common way they were caught is that someone in their group ratted them out. When you know who the suspect is, the tracing is much easier. Even if you think your message will automatically disappear, someone can still do a screen grab.
Another way people get caught is by their credit card numbers.
General Petraeus and Hillary Clinton both tried to hide their tracks. There are lots of ways to get tripped up.
My advice to my family, friends, and students still stands. The stuff you do on line can be traced. Act accordingly.
I would agree, however:
So Melice was given the chance to deny he sent the email but doubled down.
Darn, I assumed he sent an email to the university email address – my bad
Read carefully, Melice posted the comment at NTZ BEFORE I contacted him by email.
Darn again!
“If they aren’t, Prof. Mélice has the minimum obligation of making sure his account does not get used to commit criminal acts and hopefully will notify the authorities to get this situation under control.”
Neither of those messages came from his email account; one was through a contact form and the other was a comment submission. So why are you claiming that his account was responsible?
and the email address does fit:
The only information available from posting a form is the timestamp, IP address of the sender and certain characteristics of the browser used to send the form. Given the use of VPNs and/or TOR, that level of information is not very useful in validating exactly who did what… The publicly available tool set developed by the CIA can make the data stream appear to originate from anywhere on the planet.
However, there is the outstanding question of why, after being informed by NTZ of these possible misrepresentations of his position by an imposter, Prof. Mélice has been slow to respond with a denial that it was him, let alone a disavowal of the malicious intent of the possible misrepresentations.
Perhaps he is on holiday. I have not checked my work email in two weeks. Two days is NOT unresponsive nor is it slow. How exactly does one “check” if hacked. Wouldn’t the hacker delete the sent email? The email sent to him gave zero details to check. Time frame? Content? I would ignore such an email or report as phish if received at my work.
If Prof Melice is actually the one sending those emails, it should be a firing offense. Otherwise, he is being sloppy with security for his address.
Seems likely to me that Prof Melice is as much a victim of this as Marc Morano.
Seems like you are jumping to conclusions as much as anyone else as, if it hadn’t been Melice he should of been way more pro-active in assuring everyone that it wasn’t him once he was aware of it even coming to this site to say so.
I have got to admit that it is such childish crap it is hard to believe that someone that considers themselves an intellectual could write it but I am just no longer surprised as to what comes from the left these days.
And why would he respond from his direct email address:
Darn, I assumed he sent an email to the university email address – my bad
This is so childish. Hotmail… It’s not even written by a French speaker. “LE solution”, “je serais raviS”, “TO CV”! Absurd! No Frenchman would make such mistakes. Of course he does not have to bother to respond to this crap. It was probably written by some sceptic exactly to get this reaction and you guys jump. Years ago WUWT used to be an interesting climate site but has morphed into another typical right wing Trumpist echochamber. Sad.
Whoever it is you’d expect any professional to thank those alerting him to a hacker besmirching his name and respond swiftly and accordingly. We’ll reserve judgement as to whether he’s on leave at present and not checking work emails.
The message was sent using the site contact form so anyone could have done it and simply put in the professor’s email address, no hacking required.
What alert? An email that gives no timeframe or context? I would ignore if not sent from a trusted contact
Amp that up a bit more, and you too can be a raving Leftist sending threats of violence to those who dare to disagree with your fantasy view of the world.
When it comes to racism and hatred, nobody holds a candle to your average progressive.
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Only SAD thing here is gullible, brain-washed far-left dolts……. like you. !
Wow Sven.
I count 7 elements of critical conspiracy assertions from you in a submission of just 7 sentences.
I guess such brevity of expression precludes any evidence of anything you assert.
Maybe a supplementary post from you with some evidence would be helpful?
and you your self are not being childish. Reread your second to last sentence and then answer that question
And notice the weapon of choice is “baseball bat” not cricket bat, nor some non-American tool.
It’s not as bad as the monster raving loonies at Jo Nova’s site.
You would be astonished by the grammatical and orthographic mistakes made by many native French speakers in their own language.
You only have to look at tweets by native English speakers. 😉
Or any post here by our resident drive-by English Major
Marc Morano is no stranger to such threats – here is one from 2012:
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/06/26/climate-craziness-of-the-week-i-get-mail/#comment-855842
“I will have a nice long drive up to DC and have a very short and unpleasant conversation with your ass if you don”t stop harrassing scientists.”
What a lame threat – 2 spelling mistakes AND a real lack of technical clarity.
Could be a death threat, but it’s so unclear – it could even be an amorous proposal.
Marc must be thinking “Death threat, my ass!”
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Prologue:
About a decade ago, I wrote an article in the National Post, saying that Canada should not ratify the Kyoto Protocol ( 2012 update: we recently withdrew from Kyoto – Ha! ).
I soon received an angry, threatening email from some lunatic who held me personally responsible for the flooding of the City of Prague.
I replied:
Dear Sir, you are entirely correct.
I am the One fully responsible for the flooding of Prague.
Now “run along”, or I’ll do it again.
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On a more serious note, I am aware of real death threats and real acts of violence against climate skeptics by enviro radicals.
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These are the “brown-shirts” of the radical enviro movement. They are uneducated, ignorant and fervent – the extreme end of the “useful idiot” spectrum – but they are a predictable result of the decades of lies by global warming science fanatics. The “hockey team” and “the Hansen’s” bear full moral culpability for these violent imbeciles and their fantasies to “save the world” from “big oil”, as they all fly back from Rio (Ipanema) and drive home in their VW microbuses, to live the good life provided by fossil fuels in modern society.
If the sender isn’t Jean-Luc Mélice whoever it is has it in for Marc Morano and Mélice.
Mélice I believe is South African as he claims to be fluent in Afrikaans, Dutch, English, French, German and Portuguese.
https://www.developmentaid.org/#!/experts/view/157885/jean-luc-melice
Melice must be just a boy as in Hamburg in 1979 I met a black African (can’t remember where from) that could speak eleven languages. Admittedly I didn’t test him on that because I really only speak one language. :))
I knew a dude in Angola who spoke fourteen languages. Of those, eleven were actually just dialects from his own meta-tribe, his Portuguese the local pidgin, his English at primary school level, and his Afrikaans was mostly understandable to Afrikaans-speakers because they tend to be very forgiving of anyone that bothers to try.
If Joe Biden becomes president the doors will open for progressives, who will run rampant. They will baldly traduce law and be assisted by the police and the courts. Little Vyshinskys will emerge everywhere.
Expect arrests of so-called climate deniers for crimes against humanity before the end of his term; though it’s not likely that Biden will finish it.
Will Bunker Biden even start it?
Oh, his handlers will let him start it, (don’t want the coup to be too obvious) and as long as he plays the good little puppet, they may even keep him around for a bit.
I happen to be fluent in (good) French.
A retirement home, “une asile pour vieillards” is incorrect on more than one count. First, it’s “un”, because in French, “asile” (refuge, sanctuary) is of male gender while “une” is feminine. Yep, things have genders in French.
Then, “maison de retraite” (retirement home) is the actual terminology that should have been used as “asile” today solely describes mental institutions “asile de fous”, refuge for mad.
The paragraph “je serais ravis” is blatantly incorrect. The verb “etre” should be “serai” in first person simple future tense. The use of conditional tense “serais” is not correct as the sentence does not contain a related condition. Furthermore “ravis” is the plural of “ravi” ou “ravie”, meaning delighted in male and respectively female form.
A “n” misses in “to cv” which should read “toN cv” (your resumé).
The overall grammar is very stock, some inversions in the verbiage indicate that the author is probably a young person from the multi-cultural suburbs where French language is a lost art or an impersonator trained to purposely write in bad French.
And of course, to keep fair distance, a frenchman would never tutoyer a stranger he had never met.
Yes he would do it to insult him.
One doesn’t send deaths threats employing “vous”
I got a Benjamin that says that Froggy wrote and sent those emails his bad self. On most American campuses racist garbage like that will get you cancelled. Let’s see what they do on his lily pad.
This sort of threat against Marc Morano tells one a great deal about the intellectual capacity, the integrity and tendency to violence that isfound in all Climate Alarmists. It is what prevents them from properly analysing the climate system,
Threats like these are popular from both sides.
I confirm as previously posted, too many French mistakes. This email shall be seriously considered as been written by somebody else or…
This is the internet, native speakers, even “educated” ones, make grammar and spelling mistakes all the time. Just look at just about any post from our resident “educated” drive-by English Major as an example.
“Shitting in your pants” tells me the writer is French, we wouldn’t use ‘in’ in English. Perhaps and angry student?
I actually worked in Paris many years back, wrote some software for the ClimatePrediction.net project. I inherited a laptop bag while there, from Sorbonne Universities. 🙂
It appears to me that the writer pretends to be French. I doubt he/she, but probably he, is a native French speaker. The phrasing appears clonkey to me. Like something out of google translator and then tweaked a bit.
Just an inadequate little sh..e.
Isn’t this guy actually Belgium ?
Aussies and Americans are “English” speakers..
NOBODY expects correct English spelling and speaking from either, even at an “educated” level. !
I find the statement of “French being the educated language” interesting. I have been trolled and insulted by people who pretend to be (Sino-)French, too. The abuse became even worse when I (kindly) answered their French posturings, “how dare you understand me” kinda thing.
P.S. I don’t speak French. My only experience of French-speaking people was with people who seem to discriminate against soap, sooo…
The French text available here contains several primitive errors.
He a computer gamer……. you would expect “primitive” spelling.
I think caution is advised here. While death threats from the Green Blob don’t surprise me, I believe it is far too easy for a motivated miscreant to create a phony email.
“And it would be an even bigger disgrace if the authorities failed to act.”
Peter Gleich committed wire fraud against the Heartland Institute several years ago and even admitted to doing it. A complaint was filed with the FBI. Nothing came of it, even though it was an ‘open and shut’ case. I doubt this case will be persued either. Justice for me but not for thee.
too me, the most funny, nearly charming, yet always humorous of hubris is a frenchman claiming that his and sometimes her background affords them a superior position in the species homo sapiens. The very same group of people who mucked up a revolution and put themselves in a worse position than they started but who have historically capitulated to oppressors and on those rare occasions when they push back require the superior might of English speaking allies from the British Isle, Australia and Americans of British heritage. The picture of the above individual strikes me as a pedantic, pseudo-intellectual, high brow, nasal gazing frog nozzle with a stick up its bum.
The ONLY war the French have ever won…..
…. was against themselves. !
Even then, it was by surrender.
This sure does not sound like an educated person, but more of a pseudo-educated one so somebody either trying to earn or perhaps graduated with a useless degree.in liberal arts if any degree at all.
A social justice warrior is my guess. Many of those people have gone over the edge into some mental psychosis. They were probably drinking when they wrote the note.
People suppress speech when it’s true and reveals their own lies. Just like any ad hominem, the use of such threats and hostility is an admission that the person being threatened is correct.
Why isn’t this aspect of rhetoric not taught is schools any longer?
I hope Marc Morano can catch this person. His two “Climate Hustle” films are very useful to get the right message across to the general public. It’s not about climate change, or real science, but about the possible loss of our basic freedoms. I’ve even made subtitles for both films in English and German for both films and posted them as .srt files (text files only) at https://www.opensubtitles.org/en/? They can be integrated into the videos easily to allow more “penetration” of the message in Europe. I truly wish, this site could be hosted in French and German but of course this will remain “wishful thinking…”
By the way, the files for “Planet of the Humans” and “Climate Warning (Alberta)” are also available in both languages.
Happy New Year!
I know it’s been pointed out, but this:
“It’s not clear whether the crude threats aimed at Marc Morano are really coming from Prof. Mélice, or from a hacker. If they aren’t, Prof. Mélice has the minimum obligation of making sure his account does not get used to commit criminal acts and hopefully will notify the authorities to get this situation under control.”
As far as I can tell from the article, nothing came from the Prof’s account. It seems like someone just used his email address on a contact form, and for comments on a web site, such as this comment I’m leaving now.
In other words. No “hacker” need be involved, just someone who knows his email address, which is probably public.
The Left has completely invested in violence and threats to get their way.