Guest essay by Eric Worrall
50,000 Italian businesses hit with repeated lockdowns have threatened a tax strike, on the grounds it is unreasonable for the government to demand tax money if they are not allowed to conduct their business.
Italian Businesses Threaten Tax Strike If Closed Under Lockdown
CHRIS TOMLINSON
25 Nov 2020A Tuscan group representing small and medium-sized enterprises has threatened the government with a tax strike if businesses are forced to close due to Wuhan coronavirus lockdown measures.
Confcommercio Toscana said that it would support any of its 50,000 members across Tuscany in their tax strike. The group’s president, Anna Lapini, stated that “those who govern us have not bothered to stop the costs to our companies, which instead continue to run”. She added that businesses would not have the cash needed to make tax payments.
“Our companies no longer have resources, and we prefer to continue to pay employees and suppliers as a priority over a state that does not understand, but rather tramples on, our reasons for existence. So we pay no more taxes,” Lapini said, according to Il Giornale.
Italy: Salvini and Allies Demand Govt Suspend Taxes in Lockdown Areas https://t.co/dk9AelzI8f
— Breitbart London (@BreitbartLondon) November 8, 2020…
If a business is not allowed to conduct their business, how are they supposed to raise revenue to pay their taxes?
Of course, I am not in any way advocating anyone break the law. Anyone who refuses to pay their taxes, for whatever reason, is likely to have a very rough time indeed.
Living in a mountain village of 5,000 people not one virus so far why I ask why should our local economy suffer .
I am convinced the world has to many political idiots
265,595 dead in the USA; 2,284 dead yesterday and Thanksgiving billed as a superspreader event…
Seems to me there are bigger covid issues out there.
1 in a thousand US citizens will have been killed by this by Christmas.
do lock downs work? Which countries locked dow / which did not? Too soon to see the effect on death rates so no plot yet
Your plot is on cases, not deaths. Bait and switch much?
And anyone with a brain knows that the COVID mortality figures are highly inflated. So Griffs numbers are BS no matter how many times she posts them.
But we could use your route Ghalfrunt and tell everyone to drink bleach…
Japan did not lock down, no restrictive mandates. May have reached community immunity with less than 3,000 deaths attributed to Covid-19.
In America, lock downs, restrictive mandates. Around 50% of deaths in Planned Parent facilities. Around 80 to 90% excess deaths caused by delayed and denied/stigmatized treatments (e.g. HCQ cocktail, Ivermectin).
There seems to be a positive correlation between extreme lockdowns and Covid deaths.
Americans treasure their freedoms, including freedom of movement and freedom of association. They’ll exercise those freedoms this week, no matter what officials tell them. People traveling this week have weighed the odds and decided their freedoms outweigh their fears. Some will see selfishness, others resignation to a sense of inevitability, in Americans’ attitudes, but it’s a cultural thing that isn’t likely to change.
survival of the intelligent.
And yet, we’re told that ethnic groups (hispanic, black( are hit harder by covid than “white” communities. And the vast majority of deaths have been the very elderly with co-morbidities, in nursing homes. So is it intelligence, Gag?
Interesting how it is assumed that intelligence is measured by how well one follows the diktats of their local government.
The so called ‘ethnic groups’ are groups that tend to have darker complexions. They generate less vitamin D from sun exposure. Sufficiency in vitamin D is one of the markers for survival or even asymptomatic COVID-19. People sufficient in vitamin D rarely need ICU admittance and are very unlikely to die.
In consequence the ‘ethnic groups’ are more susceptible to infection due to insufficiency in Vitamin D. Simple to cure supplement with Vitamin D3. There is nothing racist about this it is a ‘mechanical’ effect of darker skin.
The question to ask is why are no doctors insisting that everyone is sufficient in vitamin D especially those with darker complexions. The medical ‘professionals’ have a lot to answer for.
Similarly, a high level of intracellular zinc will block RNA virus replication by stopping the virus hijacking the RNA transcription mechanisms in the cell. This has been known for a decade or more. [DOI: 10.1371/journal.ppat.1001176 ].
Any person insufficient in zinc and vitamin D WILL suffer more from COVID-19: that is old people with a poor diet and limited sun exposure; darker skinned people that will not generate vitamin D from sun exposure; and; obese people whose fat cells sequester vitamin D.
The HydroxyChloroquine fuss was due to the vaccine lobby wanting to hide the fact that intracellular zinc blocks RNA viruses from replicating. This means that a zinc-ionophore helping zinc into cells would block infection of not only COVID-19, but also polio, influenza and many other RNA viruses that the vaccine lobby relies on to exist. They prefer that people die and require vaccine passports than have a simple outpatient therapy (even an OTC self therapy) that would rapidly cure these viral diseases.
This lobby’s attitude has resulted in the unpleasant deaths of hundreds of thousands but has maintained their profits.
“survival of the intelligent.”
Then how is half-runt still here !!
ghalfrunt said “survival of the intelligent”…. and yet with so little intelligence, ghalfrunt is still here…. so there goes his/her theory.
bullshit.
The covid panic porn is really something to behold. I love this one.
https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1331365749772984333
The Impersonator: Eric Feigl-Ding, COVID-19, and an implicit far-left agenda
https://jordanschachtel.substack.com/p/the-impersonator-eric-feigl-ding
And you got to love this fairy tale.
https://twitter.com/ossoff/status/1331719430213169153
We should all stop eating peanuts because some people are allergic to them.
lol my comment was to Biden’s video a few posts down from oh-so-soft’s fantasy.
Oh griff, less ice over the USA, will the citizens follow your polarbears ?
Griff be like…
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EmtOY3jXYAIGv0-?format=jpg
Not a cartoon…
For women in child bearing ages, giving birth is far more deadly. It’s easy to see where this is going.
As I told you before griff, that means 999 out of 1000 will not die. It must be terrible living with such fear.
In the end, none of us survive life.
Of those dying of CV19, more than 90% were closely approaching death’s door and 95% were staring death in the face.
The other 5% probably had their fate sealed when they were “tubed” (cute shop talk for intubated).
Birth is the leading cause of death.
Indubitably.
There is only one blessing better than a short life and that is having never been born at all.
Actually, 999.7 people out of 1,000 people infected with COVID19 survive, and for people under 20, it’s 999.99 out of 1,000.
The world has gone insane…
definitely insane world +++
Why do you keep believing these numbers? The CDC (a US Government agency) says it is bogus.
griff quotes lame stream media death figures…. blabla. (OMG in last 3 years around 236,000 people a month died from all causes in the USA, and this year is on that average so far – see below) ( griff’s quoting the official propaganda exemplifies the axiom: lies, damned lies, and statistics!)
I haven’t figured out if griff is naive or delusional? Or is it just getting a thrill from fear-porn?
https://realclimatescience.com/2020/10/new-video-flu-cure-discovered/
https://realclimatescience.com/2020/08/new-video-cdc-covid-19-cures-the-flu/
https://principia-scientific.com/unprecedented-cdc-uk-govt-stop-tracking-influenza-for-2020-21-flu-season/
CDC Data: Total Deaths All Causes (US)
2017 = 234,458 per month
2018 = 236,600 per month
2019 = 237,916 per month
2020 = 236,667 per month (Jan to Sept)
https://principia-scientific.com/finally-cdc-admits-just-9210-americans-died-from-covid19/
“This week the CDC quietly updated the Covid number to admit that only 6% of all the 153,504 deaths recorded actually died from Covid. 9,210 deaths. The other 94% had 2 to 3 other serious illnesses and the overwhelming majority were of very advanced age; 90% in nursing homes.”
I could go on, but griff’s delusions are likely to continue.
If your mortality data above is indeed accurate, the supporters of an economic lockdown will argue that the lockdown itself has kept the mortality rate the same this year compared to previous years. That of course is speculation unless they can produce evidence that the lockdown actually kept the mortality rate down.
The mainstream media and the upcoming Biden administration obviously aren’t going to report this to the American people because the lockdown along with all the panic, hysteria and sensationalism that we’ve seen will make the politicians and the media all look like idiots.
I don’t know how much the vaccine makers stand to rake in from all of this, but the mortality rate numbers from this year are probably not their friend. At any rate, and as I’ve always said, human stupidity is one of our own worst enemies.
Died “with” Covid isn’t from the virus.
Griff, any comments on the ineffective lockdown in Leicester? Five months of the tightest UK restrictions and still there after the national lockdown is replaced by tiers.
Griff, why give us the bad news, 999 out of 1000 US citizens have not died from CV19. Just less than 3 million US citizens die every year, making CV19 responsible for about 1 in 11 deaths. Nearly 8 million US citizens have recovered, the percentage of cases with an outcome that resulted in death is 3.33% very very close to the global average of 3.27% the difference is less than 0.06%.
Why don’t you double check your Guardian propaganda?
In the UK, there is a whole brigade – 77th brigade – involved with what they term countering “disinformation and misinformation.” This is obviously doublespeak for attacking any views that question important government narratives. Therefore, expect to see these people popping up on influential websites, social media and the like to push the official state narratives using dodgy and debunked data. They will, of course, use innocent sounding handles.
The CDC says that only 6% or less of these deaths were from a virus, unspecified because such a virus has not been isolated, cultured and shown to cause the disease in question. So, we are looking at 10 to 12,000 people, which is rather low for a flu season.
In the new flu season, we have new viruses and one seems to infect people of all ages and make them sick for a day or two, sort of like the classic 24-hour-bug was talk about after a short flu episode. This is what the crappy PCR test is reacting to and it has nothing to do with Covid-19, particularly as no one has this virus in hand.
Actually, around 8000 people died yesterday in the U.S. This year, a little over 7 out of 1000 will die of something. That’s just the way this story of life goes.
Died with Covid or from Covid 🤔
Or from being locked up from those with a pathological fear of covid:
– Cancer therapy denied
– Too scared to go to hospital with treatable conditions
– Neglect of old folks
– Suicide
Once again, the progressive dismisses the plight of business people.
I remember Hillary when companies were complaining that they didn’t have enough money to pay the new ObamaCare taxes:
I can’t be held responsible for every under capitalized company in the country.
Not only that, but raises a point entirely irrelevant to the discussion of whether businesses that have been forced to shut down due to government restrictions (valid or not) should then be forced to pay taxes to that very same government. Hand-waving to distract from a valid discussion. No ability to engage in thoughtful fact-based dialog.
From Johns Hopkins.. looks like Covid in reality had almost no effect on deaths in the US.
https://www.jhunewsletter.com/article/2020/11/a-closer-look-at-u-s-deaths-due-to-covid-19
I see you’re using the Johns Hopkins numbers. They’re garbage.
http://bussjaeger.us/blog/?p=163
Using my state, Georgia, as an example, they claim 76 CinCOVID deaths here on 11/25/2020.
The state DPH actually reported…
0 (preliminary; that number might go up as reports finally make it to them)
As for the “surge” in cases: JH gets it by claiming reported on a given date (regaardless of whether the case occurred months before) as happening on that date. Thus, JH claims GA had 3,177 “new cases” on 11/225, but the state only reported *3* by “Date of Onset” on 11/25. All the others reported happened earlier; at least of them was from JULY 6.
Then they include positive Rapid Antigen Tests (RAT) as COVID, even though it’s nonspecific and will pop positive for a wide range of coronaviruses. GA will NOT count those as COVID UNLESS it is confirmed by PCR test. JH does.
And you were aware that the feds distributed millions of RATS to the states, and that’s when the “surge” began to appear?
http://bussjaeger.us/blog/?p=158
Griff, most of those who die have pre-existing conditions.
Out of curiosity, what is the death rate on your side of the pond? Doubt it is much better.
Guess what Griff, your country seems to be doing a worse job of ensuring survival that the US:
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality
With a mortality rate of 3.6 deaths per 100,000, you’re country is more than 50% worse than the 2.1% of the US.
You’re privilege of whining and pointing fingers should be revoked, unless you’re looking in a mirror.
And yet the yearly death count is about average. People die. If more people aren’t dying than normal why the need to disrupt the economy and peoples lives?
Almost 8,000 people die every day in the US from something. Around 1/2 0f the deaths relate to heart disease and cancer. Mostly elderly people die with Covid and have comorbidities. It may sound terrible, but there are families of elderly dementia patients who would not be devastated if Covid-19 were to take their loved one.
In any case we don’t really know how many deaths are actually caused by Covid-19 since no distinction is made between dying ‘from’ or ‘with” Covid and our hospitals are financially incentivized to claim as many Covid patients as possible.
All deaths INVOLVING Covid-19 as of 11/25/20:240,213
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm
“1 in a thousand US citizens”
Not really. If you look at the excess deaths, the numbers don’t bear up. What appears to be happening, is that everybody that’s dying through normal causes, is being labelled as caused by Covid. Not just in America, either.
Griff, you are an alarmist and a fearmonger. Lets do a little dig down on you 1 in 1000.
Seems you are playing fast and loose with numbers Griffy. 1 in 1000 people who contract COVID will be dead by Christmas. that is .001 of KNOWN INFECTED and we know that almost all of the dying have had pre-existing condition that comes with old age. If we looked into every case we would find that most of the dead would be dead by Christmas if they contracted a common cold or flu.
In addition, we just don’t have good statistics since we really don’t know how many have contracted COVID. It could be that 1 in 5000, or 10,000 which would mean that it has a fatality rate of .0001 and if we subtract “would be dead by Christmas without any help from the “Rona, It could be .000001.
Here in the United States, 7500 people die every day Griff. Ironically that fairly steady average has not shot up due to added COVID deaths. It has been steady. Check you Center for Disease Control Numbers and turn off CNN.
We know for sure that you Marxist fatalists have half the country whipped into such a state of anxiety that people are dying from stress, heart conditions, loneliness and a titanic boatload of the latter are putting the proverbial gun to their mouth. So lets say COVID fear and lockdowns will cause 10 in 1000 to die by Christmas. My hobgoblin is much more real than yours and far more deadly.
grifff…. CDC criteria for what is categorized as a covid death includes individuals who had other conditions or diseases (avg of 2.3 per person who they say died from covid and not the other disease) and individuals who were never tested doe covid but had “covid-like” symptoms… 265K dead is inaccurate (only 6% of these were healthy people who caught covid and died). I believe the actual number is closer to 150-170K…still worse than flu but nowhere near pandemic-worthy.
Dwar God, Please scourge us with a better class of troll.
Dear Joe…
In own a business in Japan, and the authorities here are very fair. Tax extensions were granted early in the year for those paying taxes for the previous year. Those who earned little or no taxable income were able to get tax exemptions with almost no red tape.
However, this was not enough to save a large number of small businesses, mainly eateries, and quite a few have closed. Japan has never enacted any lockdowns or mandates, it lacks that power even in a national state of emergency. However, many people remained in their homes during the spring, and this was the main cause of business closures.
For myself, I run an e-commerce business, and things became quite scary in March and April as flights were suspended and shipping disrupted. But things turned around in May, and since then business has become so strong that I am struggling to keep up. My tax bill will be considerable this year.
Japan has taken the best possible approach to the pandemic. In Japan we are fortunate in that our government is not divided into opposing sides, so there is no advantage to be gained by playing one side of the electorate against the other. The news media in Japan derive their revenue from advertising, and are avoiding harm to their advertisers by not sensationalizing the crisis. Harming their advertisers harms the economy and, in the long run, themselves, and they are intelligent enough to understand that.
The government is focusing on the elderly and at-risk people, and leaving everyone else alone. In Japan for people under 70, COVID is less lethal than the common flu. Indeed, 2020 has seen a decline in deaths of all ages from all causes, and despite the COVID outbreak, many thousands fewer have died in 2020 than in 2019.
Today in Japan we are seeing an increase in positive tests, but no corresponding rise in serious illnesses or deaths. Life in Japan has returned to normal, with all businesses operating as usual. We were able to celebrate Thanksgiving dinner by holding a large party in our home, with families of half a dozen different nationalities attending. All of us had much to be thankful for, mainly being able to live in Japan during the pandemic.
During dinner many people received calls from locked down family members in America and Europe. These family members were surprised that nothing was locked down in Japan, and that we could get together and enjoy the holiday together.
The news media have not done any reporting about the situation in Japan, but I suppose good news is no news for them.
Same here in Holland. Tax-wise, that is. Regrettably though there the comparison seems to end. Lot of corona porn in the media and almost everything fun is forbidden or strongly discouraged. To top it off we will probably finance this tax strike in Italy one way or the other…Brussels will take care of that. And there is this chilly drizzle here in the Hague …probably climate change as usual :/ Yuck. End of rant.
Believe me, even if I am from Italy, that you should oppose as much as you can (as citizen, as The Netherlands, as Europe or whatever) to pay Italian bills. Give some temporary relief, on the basis of solid accountability, or finance some European-interest projects can be good; but never ever do the mistake to finance Italian state debt, or Italian state and local accounts, or Italian state-owned companies etc. We started to do it in the 70ies, from the North to Rome and the South, and we never could get out of paying their bills (and our local administrations are, year after year, worsening as well).
I have questions about red light districts in Holland. Are they closed? Is face to face contact to be avoided?
Since the red-light districts in the Netherlands are frequented primarily by tourists and international travel has dropped to 10% of its pre-pandemic level one can assume that the ladies are well-rested.
Perhaps they’ve taken up crochet…
Lonely, and willing to offer deep discounts. Damn this Atlantic Ocean.
Some are fighting back in Toronto:
“Exotic dancers demand anonymity in fight against shutdown”
https://torontosun.com/news/local-news/mandel-stripped-of-livelihood-exotic-dancers-want-anonymity-in-shutdown-fight
Quiet on that front. I think prostitutes can work as usual. Unless “cases” are established like here in the Hague a while ago. They have adequate protocols firmly in place for literally ages I guess. Will do better than lots of health workers.
Do you know, or have any way of finding out, what Japan’s approach was/is to 1) early treatments (e.g., nebulized steroids, HCQ, Ivermectin) and 2) aggressive intubation of covid patients? The first would affect progression to serious illness (i.e., hospitalizations) and the second would affect progression to critical illness and death.
Good and most interesting!
Logic entering the equation, can’t have that.
Where I am, a small business pays a minimal business tax to the municipality. If the business doesn’t make a profit, no income tax will be payable. The phone bill will be bigger than the taxes. The big unavoidable expense is rent and the government is subsidising that.
Isn’t it a shame that in America the Chambers of Commerce and Manufacturer Associations have not only not stood up to the out of control abuse of power by state and local governments, but have abandoned their members to bankruptcy due to arbitrary and capricious rule making. The big businesses that control the associations only care about buying influence from the politicians; they have left their fellows to die under the abuses of COVID government.
And to CommieBob, the small businesses in America will have to continue paying property taxes (when they own their building), unemployment taxes, sales taxes. With the draconian lockdowns and the increasingly expensive COVID “measures”, most are lucky if they have any profit at all. For restaurants and bars, the with-out-warning lockdowns have also resulted in paying for food they had to then throw out; a 100% loss.
I would agree except for the part about sales taxes. Sales taxes are paid by the buyer, collected by the seller as an agent for the state. If you do not collect any sales tax, there is nothing to pass on to the state.
But also don’t neglect workman’s comp payments if you still have employees even though they are not producing any income for the business..
I believe workman’s comp is the unemployment taxes mentioned above.
No, worker’s comp is insurance for the event that an employee is injured or killed – at least in Australia.
And let’s not overlook a business’ obligations to withhold from employee paychecks their 50% share of FICA (Medicare and Social Security) taxes—the business itself paying the other 50%—and the separate, employee-declared W-4 withholdings for federal, state and local income taxes, where applicable. Other employee-related withholding obligations on businesses include FUTA (Federal Unemployment Tax Act) and, in states such as California, Hawaii, New Jersey, New York and Rhode Island, disability insurance taxes.
It’s not too hard to see why, in these times of COVID-19 associated lockdowns, many employees are being laid-off/fired from businesses, only to be brought back—in much reduced numbers— as self-employed contract laborers.
“For restaurants and bars, the with-out-warning lockdowns have also resulted in paying for food they had to then throw out; a 100% loss.”
In WA state, just about all restaurants are doing take-out/delivery (via Uber Eats, Doordash, Grubhub…), so they’re not throwing out any food.
Some restaurateurs I’ve spoken to are actually doing MORE business now.
Denver Mayor Advises Not to Travel on Thanksgiving; 30 Minutes Later He Boards Flight to Houston
https://www.google.com/amp/s/cowboystatedaily.com/2020/11/25/denver-mayor-advises-not-to-travel-on-thanksgiving-30-minutes-later-he-boards-flight-to-houston/amp/
“Mr. Mayor, Mr. Bob Seger is still holding on line 3”
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9WWHdBuOC6Q
He’s just a typical democrat crook and hypocrite. I don’t know why this is even a story that is reported, as opposed to the kraken, which is being suppressed even more than the Hunter laptop.
Government shuts them down then the government should pay the rent/ mortgage and forget the taxes. Oh, and they need to pay the employees. Or stay the heck out of our businesses.
Poor Italians . . . they just cannot imagine the way governmental bureaucracies view taxation of citizens: It’s always “Heads I win, tails you lose”.
Coming soon to the US as well.
Closed businesses can’t pay their taxes and are seized by the government.
Those same businesses then re-open under “new” management.
And the socialist goal of having everything owned and operated by government gets one step closer.
This is classic Chicago-style tactic Obama brought to the Federal level.
One of Obama best pals and a huge campaign money bundler is Marty Nesbitt, founder of a Chicago-based equity firm The Vistria Group. My Nesbitt working with a former Dept of Education official took over the financially distressed Apollo Group, the parent company of the For-Profit University of Phienix.
While at the Dept of Education as the #2 in charge, the DoEd went after the University of Phoenix and by 2015 value of the Apollo Group was below book value. THen, as the Wall Street Journal Op-Ed pointed out, “And with Apollo recently trading below book value, it might be a real bargain—especially for an investor betting that the next Administration might go easier on for-profit colleges. Now comes news that Apollo will be sold to several private equity firms. And coincidence of all coincidences, after the sale closes the company will be run by a former top official in the Obama education department, the same outfit that led the attack on Apollo.”
source: https://www.wsj.com/articles/regulating-education-for-profit-1455668757
So the Apollo Group take-over by politically connected Democrats is a classic cronyism use of the police powers of the State to drive a valuable property into financial ruin. Then those same corrupt vultures, now as private equity company, swoop in the feed on the devalued carcass the government created via adverse elgal attacks and then reap billions of dollars of windfall, a piece of which they feed back to Democrats during campaign season as their cut of the action — a Chicago style shake-down.
The Apollo Group take-down, then fed upon by vulture capitalists for a huge windfall, like Obama’s close buddy Nesbitt did, is how the Democrats rock and roll with their Beltway corruption.
Here is the US with the COVID lockdowns on NYC, California, and NJ the governors and mayors have tried to shutdown Churches, synagogues, and mosques, while a the same time leaving liquor stores, and most other retail stores open for business.
Of course, the US Supreme Court just ruled this unequal treatment unconstitutional.
Writing the majority opinion in the 5-4 decision handed down late last night, ““It is time — past time — to make plain that, while the pandemic poses many grave challenges, there is no world in which the Constitution tolerates color-coded executive edicts that reopen liquor stores and bike shops but shutter churches, synagogues, and mosques,”wrote Associate Justice Neil Gorsuch.
If you want to understand why Democrats did this… it is simple. Religious entities in the US (churches, synagogues, and mosques and their financial operations via member giving) are registered as non-profit under the IRS tax code and as such the Feds, the States, nor the any local/municipal jurisdiction can tax their relikgious operations, unlike a high tax paying liquor sales.
If Churches in the US were to pay taxes, you can bet Democrats would want to keep them open for business.
Although masks are a good deterant, imagine this, they aren’t perfect:
https://theconversation.com/amp/face-masks-cut-disease-spread-in-the-lab-but-have-less-impact-in-the-community-we-need-to-know-why-147912
Every study I’ve seen done on masks is crap because they don’t take into account peak respiratory flow rate, which can range from 400 to 600 l/min depending on size, sex and age. One research paper I saw used a flow rate of 15 l/min. Useless. Simply exhaling vape “smoke” while masked shows they don’t work for aerosols.
Postoperative wound infections and surgical face masks: a controlled study
Not even in a controlled environment with trained personnel.
I don’t know what others are told, but I was taught that the reason we wear surgical masks (first responder) is to prevent fluids from splashing into our nose and mouth. Not to prevent infection from an airborne virus, of any sort.
Actually i think some of those places in which property tax covers public schools should consider a property tax revolt until they open the schools back up. My 5 y/o granddaughter in Daytona Beach Florida is going to a private school that remained open after the first lock down and not a single student has gotten sick from ‘COVID.
At IUPUI in Indianapolis the Perdue University extension went back to in person classes after the first lockdown and the Indiana University extension has had online classes only since then. My oldest Granddaughter had a heck of a time getting back her tuition for a couple classes that IU cancelled. It almost got to the point of a class action lawsuit before they relented.
Seems reasonable. Now what about US businesses?