UK Bans Gasoline and Diesel Vehicle Sales from 2030

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

Boris Johnson has demonstrated a spectacular lack of empathy for vulnerable people who cannot afford an electric vehicle.

Ban on new petrol and diesel cars in UK from 2030 under PM’s green plan

By Roger Harrabin
BBC environment analyst

New cars and vans powered wholly by petrol and diesel will not be sold in the UK from 2030, Prime Minister Boris Johnson has said. 

But some hybrids would still be allowed, he confirmed.

It is part of what Mr Johnson calls a “green industrial revolution” to tackle climate change and create jobs in industries such as nuclear energy.

Critics say the £4bn allocated to implement the 10-point plan is far too small for the scale of the challenge.

The total amount of new money announced in the package is a 25th of the projected £100bn cost of high-speed rail, HS2.

Read more: https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-54981425

To his credit Boris Johnson has backed more nuclear power, so when the renewables fail some of the lights will stay on.

But the fossil fuel ban will hurt a lot of ordinary people.

Late night public transport in Britain is unsafe, particularly in high crime areas. A few weeks ago a NHS worker was assaulted and left with severe injuries after asking fellow passengers to wear a mask.

But even without Covid-19 there are risks.

In 2018 London tube operators installed metal detectors to try to curb spiralling knife crime, but only stupid criminals carry metal knives. Criminals in London frequently carry ceramic or plastic knives which don’t register on a metal detector.

Aside from the risk of being assaulted by gangs of professional muggers, travelling on London public transport late at night frequently means sharing a carriage with staggering drunks and tailored suit psychotics who have been snorting cocaine all evening.

Outside London late night public transport, if it is available at all, means long waits at dimly illuminated and often lonely bus interchanges.

Boris Johnson’s affordable vehicle ban will rip the safety net of having personal transport away from junior hospital nurses and other vulnerable late shift workers who cannot afford an EV.

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Scissor
November 19, 2020 6:02 am

I’ll make sure to make my last visit before then (Mad Max).

Vuk
Reply to  Scissor
November 19, 2020 7:27 am

Boris has lost it big time, caved to his lover half his age and relocated his brains to where a squirrel keeps his Nut Nuts

Robertvd
Reply to  Vuk
November 19, 2020 9:18 am

Why would you need socialists if you have Boris Johnson. That man is a fraud. And who would be able to use electricity for a car when the price skyrockets if it is even available.
Are we sure that when he was in hospital his brain was not removed and replaced with a Biden brain.

Ron Long
Reply to  Vuk
November 19, 2020 9:58 am

Yea, and look at the hair of BoJO, that’s not from riding in an electric vehicle. Just saying.

Sommer
Reply to  Vuk
November 19, 2020 11:12 am

‘Why we Will Win and They Will Lose’ was created in Ireland and was released recently.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPd5l2ekdu4&feature=youtu.be

At 2 min 30 seconds, the narrator explains why elected leaders like Boris are now projecting this. He is a puppet for the Global Reset agenda which incorporates U.N. Agenda 30 plans.

Reply to  Vuk
November 19, 2020 11:48 am

Boris should get a haircut and comb his hair once in s while.
H’s got crazy man hair.

jono1066
Reply to  Vuk
November 19, 2020 3:23 pm

On the other hand . .
what would you do to try and give vision and hope to the locked down British population, to the young adults who want to build back better, to the young children steeped in environmental issues, to the businessmen trying to grow, to the wavering financial markets, the banks, to the workers wondering where the jobs are going to come from and to the polsters looking at the forward economy ?

This plan, long in gestation, and crafted by many hands across many government departments ( with a format borrowed from the sustainability brief), is nothing more than an attempt to refocus the country on something `beyond where we started rather` than `getting back to where we started` .
Will hydrogen work ? Probably not for the main stream use, but that will not stop all those working in that field to continue to endeavour, perhaps to strive harder and creating jobs in the knowledge the government now sees them and supports them.
And so on through the listed groups.
One can be sure that those targets are well understood by the promulgators to be not acheivable but that shouldnt stop them trying to foster a little “yes we can” attitude in the British.
It would not be a suprise if the governments `nudge unit` was also involved.
Its just politics . . . . ignore it . . . science & technology will find its own equilibrium in 10 years time.

Mardler
Reply to  jono1066
November 20, 2020 3:56 am

jono1066: tosh.

mark
Reply to  jono1066
November 20, 2020 7:21 am

Some interesting points.

ultimately the physics/science will win…..if all the lights go out, people will wake up and smell the coffee pretty quickly. (well – they won’t actually smell the coffee, but you know what I mean)

the recent announcement about 200 (?) micro nuclear plants was very telling. This is explicit recognition by TPTB that the “renewables only” mantra is a false prospectus, and someone is doing the hard sums about the future energy needs….

Oldseadog
Reply to  Vuk
November 20, 2020 12:09 pm

Vuk,

Man walks into a bar with a car steering wheel attached to his crotch.
“What on earth is that?” asks the barman.
Man replies “I don’t know but it’s driving me nuts”.

I’ll get my coat.

Again.

Technetium99
Reply to  Vuk
November 21, 2020 2:37 am

He’s just an idiot & a fool….the UK will rue the day they followed this madness…

George Daddis
November 19, 2020 6:07 am

Are we all awaiting the announcement that this act of virtuous self flagellation has shamed China and they will cancel all coal plants under construction and those planned through 2030, the date when they originally said they’d CONSIDER leveling off CO2 emissions?

Laertes
November 19, 2020 6:12 am

So what is the point of even voting conservative, if they’re still for socialist radically green ideas? Boris Johnson got the biggest conservative mandate in decades, yet he has unconditionally backed Extinction Rebellion, Black Lives Matter and all of their causes, basically betraying his voters openly. XR and BLM could riot for weeks and nothing was done, now protest against lockdowns and police will beat you up.

No petrol cars since 2030, all energy generation by wind by 2030, Net Zero by 2050 backed with Climate Assembly panels. People voted against the left, and have been given a solid middle finger in return.

He’s a dictatorial leftie who masqueraded as a conservative long enough to cheat people out of their vote. I said to my friend: Britain would *never* be allowed to leave, EU is like mafia. And here we are.

Extinction Rebellion was an international coordinated astroturf campaign to let this all happen and to bypass the voice of the people by subjecting them to the coming of extreme austerity and suffering.

Mrs Westrop
Reply to  Laertes
November 19, 2020 6:28 am

Agree with every word – and add a few brass knobs of my own!

LdB
Reply to  Laertes
November 19, 2020 7:11 am

Pretty much, I think the real conservatives probably need to take their party back.

Walter Sobchak, Esq.
Reply to  Laertes
November 19, 2020 7:51 am

The policy fault lines between political factions in different countries varies based on history and culture.

The British Conservative party has many policy positions that American conservatives would abhor. Churchill backed the creation of the National Health Service during WWII.

Extreme environmentalism is completely consistent with a conservative theory based on a return to a rural hierarchical society modeled on 18th Century England. In the UK, the heir apparent, prince Charles is really trying to do just that in his Duchy of Cornwall.

OTOH, there are undoubtedly some old school British lefties who want to re-open the coal mines.

Spetzer86
Reply to  Laertes
November 19, 2020 8:38 am

And the first thing they did was take away your guns. Then they gave away your country.

commieBob
Reply to  Spetzer86
November 19, 2020 9:19 am

That could be truer than you think.

The thing that made England great and which also empowered the ordinary people was the long bow. Every man had to train in some kind of martial art and for most men that was archery. So, the population was heavily armed. That fact was not absent from the consideration of the aristocrats when they pondered how much they could get away with.

I’m as big a believer in the power of ideas as anyone, but it seems obvious that the idea of democracy is not as powerful on its own as it is when backed by a well-armed citizenry. Somehow the people’s ready access to deadly weapons has always served to focus the concentration of our leaders quite usefully and made them appropriately concerned with maintaining our trust. It can hardly be a coincidence that totalitarianism has been easiest to impose where the people are disarmed and the power of government is most constrained where rulers truly have to worry about the dissatisfaction of those they rule. There’s a relatively recent movie–not a great one, but a wise one–that nicely illustrates this point : Red Dawn. It’s a mistake to dismiss this tale of High School students battling Soviet invaders as merely a Cold War relic. At its heart it is really a retelling of the Robin Hood myth and reflects a truth that we forget at our own peril : for centuries now, liberty in the West has been protected by the guns and arrows of a freedom-loving yeomanry. Such is the lesson of Robin Hood. link

Tim Gorman
Reply to  commieBob
November 19, 2020 3:06 pm

I don’t know why more people don’t get this. Our most fearsome enemy is not external it is internal. The Sheriff of Nottingham was a bureaucrat. We have our own bureaucrats at local, state, and federal level and they form a Bureaucratic Hegemony. It was the BH that Robin Hood fought against, without them the King would have been totally ineffective. It is the BH we will see rule us unless we are willing to stand up to it.Then you have to ask how do we stand up to it in extremis?

Firemann
Reply to  commieBob
November 19, 2020 3:30 pm

Whilst I concur with the theme of your post, the analogy to Robyn Hood is an unfortunate one. Steal from the rich and give to the poor has been the mantra of socialism, an easy child dream that now most of the western world seems to want now.

MarkG
Reply to  Firemann
November 19, 2020 4:35 pm

Robin Hood was stealing from the thieving government and giving it back to the taxpayers. It’s quite the opposite of socialism.

TonyG
Reply to  MarkG
November 19, 2020 6:53 pm

Unfortunately the story has been perverted into a travesty of the original.

Robertvd
Reply to  Laertes
November 19, 2020 9:23 am

Exactly. He is a fraud.

Bob Hunter
Reply to  Laertes
November 19, 2020 9:51 am

I suspect by 2030, the public majority will realize that CO2 being the primary driver in ‘climate change’ was a sham

But there will still be diehards following Michael Mann

Firemann
Reply to  Bob Hunter
November 19, 2020 3:33 pm

Reason is out. Only nature and peoples pockets will force the issue now.

BFL
Reply to  Laertes
November 19, 2020 1:31 pm
BoyfromTottenham
Reply to  BFL
November 19, 2020 2:57 pm

Is Nigel the only UK politician that has a brain, a backbone and cojones?

MarkG
Reply to  BoyfromTottenham
November 19, 2020 4:37 pm

You have to remember that Britain has spent seventy years exporting many of its smartest kids all around the world. The Brain Drain means that most of the people who could have been competent political leaders are now living overseas.

The country has been rotting for generations, and that rot is now terminal.

BoyfromTottenham
Reply to  MarkG
November 19, 2020 9:38 pm

Thanks MarkG – and I was one of them, in 1961!

Ben Vorlich
Reply to  MarkG
November 19, 2020 10:26 pm

Ireland and Scotland started exporting brains and ambition in the 18th century or earlier.

George
Reply to  MarkG
November 22, 2020 5:39 am

My Great Grandfather left Northhamptonshire in the mid 19th century only to ended up at the beginning of our USA civil war. His legacy to the current generation are 4 engineers 7 great grandchildren living in Mississippi. WWI and WWII destroyed the best gene pool in the UK.
Politicians will be politicians regardless of party. They will always go after the money the enhances their retirement and their supporters wealth. They are not idiots, just greedy.
“Re-elect no one” and “we have the best government that money can buy”

griff
Reply to  BoyfromTottenham
November 20, 2020 12:38 am

He’s the only one not capable of getting elected…

JohnM
Reply to  Laertes
November 19, 2020 3:16 pm

Obviously you fail to understand the conservative problem.
Rich people cannot drive everywhere without having to share the roads with the paupers.
Them and the middle classes will be ok….the £20K EVs’ are for them, the £100K+ EV Jaguars and Rolls’ are for the upper classes.
None of the current crop of EVs’ will last long. I doubt that many will remain on the roads after 10 years, if that. Built to a weight not a quality. A local s/mart installed free chargers for its customers (those with a loyalty card)….now nobody can use them because they are blocked 24/7 with EVs’ of people who live near and rarely use the shop!!
Person Private Transport was a good idea until the plebs started buying them.
Of course, the UK imports most of the cars that peasants buy, so the ban will do the import/export imbalance a lot of good. But then, the UK imports most of the consumer glitz (a bit like the USA is doing).
This is not anything to do with green…..it’s solely to reduce the amount of cars in private ownership…..especially the long-lasting ones.
Johnson will never be a socialist in the old meaning, he is a socialist of the new meaning: Socialism of the take from the poor and give to the rich. Few rich have died from CV19…and not enough of the poor….

Chris Wright
Reply to  Laertes
November 20, 2020 3:23 am

“So what is the point of even voting conservative, if they’re still for socialist radically green ideas? ”
A good question.
I would have been a life-long Conservative voter, but that ended years ago because of their barking mad climate policies. I made an exception a year ago, partly because I was a bit of a Boris fan and partly because I wanted to save Brexit.

But now, obviously, I will never vote again for Boris. I feel completely betrayed. Years ago Boris expressed some climate scepticism. He used his favourite word, “doomsters”, to describe the climate alarmists. But now he appears to be the doomster-in-chief.

The 2030 ban on petrol cars takes barking mad to new levels. If electric cars were so good people would be queuing up to buy them.
The problem is the batteries. Batteries have only one aim in life: to go flat. Compared to fuel, the amount of stored energy is tiny. Batteries have limited life-times. They are full of poisonous materials but they can’t be recycled, they will probably end up in dumps and will eventually leak out into the environment. It’s funny how green policies often end up damaging the environment.
The metals mined for batteries often use child labour in mines where conditions are terrible. It’s probably a form of human slavery. I think someone here mentioned that, if the UK went 100% electric, it would require the entire world’s supply of metals or other materials for batteries.
I’ll almost certainly never vote Conservative again. Fortunately there is an alternative: Reform UK. I will certainly be voting for it next year. Thank goodness for Nigel Farage.
Chris

Ed Zuiderwijk
November 19, 2020 6:15 am

It won’t come to it. Long before the people will revolt. They also want to impose a forced transition from gas boilers to heatpumps. perhaps the experience in the Transvaal and Spoorwijk parts of The Hague will sober them up:

Resident: “In winter my children shiver with the cold”

After all the stories from Transvaal about high energy bills and faltering water pumps, there are now also degrading stories from Spoorwijk. The biggest similarity of these stories are gasless houses with a collective ATES storage in combination with a heat pump that receive sky-high final bills. “I feel left to my own devices,” says a resident who wishes to remain anonymous. “My children tremble with cold in winter.”

For Councilor René Oudshoorn, the measure is full: “Eneco millions of fires in the pockets of the alderman, The Hague must get rid of gas as soon as possible, but a social disaster is now unfolding in the already vulnerable neighborhoods that already partly use the gas. finished, people no longer dare to turn on the heating, shocked by sky-high bills. Shivering children in winter, people who turn off the heat pump or turn off the taps of the underfloor heating. And just like in Transvaal, the energy supplier, Eneco, in this case washes its hands in innocence and acts as if nothing is wrong. These energy cowboys, strengthened by the Heat Act, even dare to charge hefty amounts for the transit of cold water through the system to cool the house in the summer and charge excessive amounts for standing charges,

Oudshoorn wants to stop getting rid of gas, “These complaints are more structural than incidental, people have nowhere to go because they are tied to one supplier and no longer have any freedom of choice. If they were given the choice now, they would love to be connected to gas again ”.

TonyG
Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
November 19, 2020 7:40 am

Long before the people will revolt.

I’ve been hearing this for decades as more and more rules, regulations, and restrictions have been enacted around the world.

Still waiting for it to happen.

Reply to  TonyG
November 19, 2020 8:20 am

F.e. Corona Demos
It starts to happen…..

jani129
Reply to  Krishna Gans
November 19, 2020 9:55 am

Do not wish for this to happen.
Better to throw out Mr. Johnson and have a different government create different laws.
I know this won’t happen soon. Many people believe the CAGW theory. So then let these people suffer and then they can change these BS laws. In revolution mostly good people suffer.

MarkG
Reply to  jani129
November 19, 2020 3:54 pm

Democracy always ends in dictatorship. It’s simply not possible to elect a government that would fix the country in the time that’s left, so before long people will be calling for a dictator to save them.

Even the ancient Greeks who invented democracy came to understand this. It’s one of the most short-lived forms of government because democracy can’t fix the problems it creates.

Vincent Causey
Reply to  TonyG
November 19, 2020 12:32 pm

You’re right, but no government has done anything this stupid before. People were willing to go along with some renewable energy to “save the planet,” but when you try and take their cars away, there will be demonstrations that will make the poll tax riots of the Thatcher era look like a boy scouts picnic. I can’t think of any better way to describe it than as a political suicide. Unless of course, they’re planning on disposing of those inconvenient elections.

JohnM
Reply to  Vincent Causey
November 19, 2020 3:33 pm

Currently, the population are in lockdown to prevent infection rising. Except the children and students, who can go to school/college/univ, then go home to spread it. Nobody is questioning that !

commieBob
Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
November 19, 2020 9:05 am

One of my friends in the Netherlands has just installed a wood pellet stove. No complaints yet. It sure looks tiny though. The heating load is quite a bit less than where I live but the humidity … yech. link

Faced with the same problem I would find a way to add another R-20 of insulation on the walls and reduce the size and number of north facing windows and add an energy recovery heat exchanger, etc. etc. That’s just me though, and I can do the work myself. Most people would find the expense daunting. It would almost certainly put most of my friends in the old folks home years earlier than necessary.

pigs_in_space
Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
November 19, 2020 10:51 am

Funnily enough I stayed in an “audio guru’s” house who has an extreme high opinion of himself and his green cred.

I must say the house was always freezing cold, and the bloke was dead proud of his “heat pump” and getting the various electricity to pay large OTT sums for the small amount of solar panel electricity they produced.

Funnily enough he ripped off my wife for over a grand (in British money), then claimed all sorts of weird and wonderful excuses for his criminal behaviour.
He writes regularly about all things “economy” and IT quite cynically on The Register with lots of arm flapping virtue signalling.

I have first hand experience of the guy’s blatent dishonesty, but have no doubt he has no difficulty sleeping at night.
This and a few other of the wonderful greeniedom / greedydom (of J W) made me pretty aware of the strange dystopia these people are creating and living in.
I have a strong suspicion there’s a large number of such retards living on the island, who really think they are smart.

Gummer,(Lord “dibby” Deben) Blair, John Houghton (now dead) this guy, Bojo, they are/were all the same breed.
Dishonest up to their eyeballs and totally unscrupulous.

JohnM
Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
November 19, 2020 3:19 pm

I have air-source heating….it’s cheaper than gas…

Iain Reid
Reply to  JohnM
November 21, 2020 12:51 am

John,

you don’t say where you live, which may be a factor.

However I am singularly unimpressed with the spin on heat pumps.

How can, at least in the U.K., can a gas compressor generate heat more efficently than a gas boiler?
A gas boiler uses over 90% of it’s fuel to directly heat the water. A heat pump uses approximately twice the fuel a gas boiler does to get it’s electricity due to the power station efficiency and losses in the power lines. I don’t know the volumetric efficiency of a refrigerant pump but it cannot match that of a well designed petrol or diesel engine as it’s valves are controlled by simple pressure difference. This doesn’t sound like some effective source of heat. Also the temperature generated by a heat pump is low and this drops off with an air source pump as the external (evaporator) temperature drops so as it gets colder an air source becomes less effective. Don’t you need a resistance heater as a back up for your domestic hot water during winter? Gas and oil boilers produce water at a higher temperature, which is better for heat transfer.
Gas and oil are relatively cheap also and electricity can only get dearer with time as our technically illiterate government keeps pushing wind generation.

If I am wrong in my assumptions, which I don’t think I am, I would like someone to explain exactly how these devices are as effective as claimed?

Latitude
November 19, 2020 6:21 am

This is all such total bulls@it……

..and every bit of it designed to hurt China’s competition

It’s the developed world that has to do something…..like cripple their economies
…while China get permission and a free pass to increase their emissions

China’s not stupid….if there was any truth to any of this at all….they would not commit suicide

….China does not believe in any of this BS at all….what they believe in is competition

Joel O’Bryan
Reply to  Latitude
November 19, 2020 6:37 am

China believes in stealing intellectual property anyway it can to become the Top Economic dog in the World to build a military force that it can then do whatever it pleases to feed its massive population. Because the quickest way for the CCP to get tossed in civil unrest and revolt is for mass starvation to take hold there.

Latitude
Reply to  Joel O’Bryan
November 19, 2020 8:19 am

With the help of the UN…

Since the UN/IPCC was formed….China has increased it emissions over 5 times more…with the UN’s blessings
…..our emissions have dropped…China is now over twice out emissions

The UN/WHO lied…and tried to cover for China…saying China reported covid….when China did not report it to the WHO at all

Reply to  Latitude
November 19, 2020 8:19 am

Back in the 50s and 60s Japanese manufacturing was ridiculed as inferior and copied.
Some of it was.
Then all of a sudden it wasn’t anymore and the UK’s car and motorbike manufacturing went extinct.
I remember my geography teacher at school telling about how Japanese would steal technical IP, and how a flawed ship design that would sink, was passed off to the Japanese, who built it, and it sank.
Ha ha. But no-one’s laughing now at Japanese technology.
China I believe will follow a similar trajectory.
And blocking exports of technology to a country is the fastest way to help that country to develop the same technology themselves. (That’s how Israel got a defense industry and how South Africa got the nuclear bomb: sanctions are like fertilizer to technology development.) In 10 years Chinese computer chips will be as good as American or Japanese or Taiwanese. Maybe less. Trade and cultural wars against a “yellow peril” don’t really have a future.

mkelly
Reply to  Phil Salmon
November 19, 2020 8:58 am

We helped the Japanese by bringing in the father SPC to teach them how to make quality products. Deming’s teaching is what really aided them. They accepted him while most in US did not want to change.

MarkG
Reply to  Phil Salmon
November 19, 2020 4:01 pm

China != Japan.

The Chinese government spent decades killing off anyone who showed independent thought. Which is one reason why the technology they try to develop themselves is generally well behind that in the West.

Joel O’Bryan
November 19, 2020 6:25 am

Did that come via the UK parliament? Or simply an edict from a budding Tyrant?

Here in the US if Congress tried to pass something like that many Congresscritters would be putting their next re-election at severe risk. And a US President simply couldn’t do it by EO even with a packed Supreme Court. Many Red states would just tell him to “Get bent.”

Ed Zuiderwijk
Reply to  Joel O’Bryan
November 19, 2020 7:02 am

It is undoubtedly inspired by pillow talk of a dearly beloved one who is completely taken in by climate-change fairytales.

Editor
Reply to  Joel O’Bryan
November 19, 2020 7:35 am

All three parties have exactly the same policies, Joel. And all had these very same commitments in their manifestos last year. Boris’ plan will of course have to be voted on via the forthcoming Energy White Paper

Parliament legislated for Net Zero by 2050 last year, before Boris was PM, without even having any costings.

Sadly we will get the same policies, regardless of who is PM or which party is in power

Rusty
Reply to  Joel O’Bryan
November 19, 2020 7:49 am

It’s already been passed by House of Commons. The last Prime Minister, Theresa May, got her 2050 carbon neutral nonsense through with less than half a days debate. Few MPs opposed the madness.

Most of them are all for the eco-loonery as they will never be affected.

DaveS
Reply to  Rusty
November 19, 2020 10:20 am

It was one of the wretched May’s last acts as PM, but as you say was pretty much nodded through, All the political parties in Westminster support this cr*p, they are in a bidding war to be the biggest virtue-signaller. We truly are in an age of rotten politics.

Vincent Causey
Reply to  Rusty
November 19, 2020 12:39 pm

Yes, but as each general election approaches, they will be sweating. According to the parliament act, there should be GE’s in 2024 and 2029. If there is insufficient push back by 2024 to end the proposed car ban (which is what it is, for poorer people), by 2029 the country will be in total meltdown. I would predict general strikes, blockades, mass demonstrations and riots. The fact that Johnson can’t see this coming is testimony to his lack of political awareness.

MarkG
Reply to  Vincent Causey
November 19, 2020 4:02 pm

The Tories I know now utterly despise Johnson and are calling for the destruction of the Tory party. He’s not going to win 2024.

However, that means Labour wins, and they’re another anti-British, anti-industry party. So it won’t make any difference.

griff
Reply to  Joel O’Bryan
November 19, 2020 9:15 am

In June 2019, Parliament passed legislation requiring the government to reduce the UK’s net emissions of greenhouse gases by 100% relative to 1990 levels by 2050.

Reply to  griff
November 19, 2020 11:46 am

I believe it was in February 2020 when the “zero carbon” date was pulled forward from 2040 to 2035, and just nine months later the date was pulled forward again from 2035 to 2030? I had an article about the move from 2040 to 2035 on my climate science blog in February 2020:

https://elonionbloggle.blogspot.com/2020/02/uk-bans-sale-of-hybrid-gasoline-and.html

If the “due date” keep moving like this, it will soon be “immediately”.

Joel Snider
Reply to  griff
November 19, 2020 2:26 pm

Funny that no one seems to care about the 95% of natural C02 sources – and think they can regulate the climate by micromanaging humanity’s fractional contribution.

Seems they’re more concerned with controlling people than emissions.

Joel Snider
Reply to  griff
November 19, 2020 3:08 pm

Sven Olof Andersson Hederoth November 16, 2020 at 3:10 pm

According to professor Bjorn Lomborg in Copenhagen, the efforts planned for the EU is to spend about 8% of its BNP on climate (around 1.4 trillion Euros) over the next three decades. This will result in a temperature decrease of 0.004C by the end of the century.

Tom in Florida
November 19, 2020 6:29 am

I say Bravo! I say all other EU countries should follow suit. With enough of them reducing carbon, we in the U.S. won’t have to. We can go on living our carbon emitting luxury lives in full enjoyment. Thank You World.

Another Paul
Reply to  Tom in Florida
November 20, 2020 4:55 am

“we in the U.S. won’t have to” That’s not what Harris/Biden have in store for us. At least we still have our guns…for now.

Bryan A
November 19, 2020 6:32 am

So some hybrids will be allowed…
Anyone who buys a plug-in hybrid will be left with a very expensive limited range EV once gasoline sales get banned. Most PEVs have a range of 30-35 miles on a charge before the gas ICE kicks in

BoyfromTottenham
Reply to  Bryan A
November 19, 2020 3:24 pm

This reminds me of cars converted in WWII to run on ‘producer gas’ as they called it because of petrol severe rationing. You poor long-suffering UK folk should consider modifying your ICE cars to run on compressed air – far simpler than batteries etc., charge them up at home with a decent compressor (which will still be legal I presume), and even carry one in the boot to extend the range. In fact, this could be the basis of a whole new industry for the UK! As Churchill said ‘Never surrender’!
Note, I am not a mechanical engineer, but I read about an Indian company that was making such things.
Here in sunny Oz we have hundreds of thousands of ICE cars that have been converted to run on both petrol and LPG, mostly taxis, because LPG costs about half that of of petrol/diesel due to lower taxes.

Michael S. Kelly
Reply to  Bryan A
November 21, 2020 3:44 pm

The average automobile mileage per year in the UK in 2019 was 7,400 miles, down from 9,200 miles in 2002. In the United States, the average annual automobile mileage is about 13,500 miles. A distribution plot would, I think, find that the standard deviation around the mean in the US is much larger than that in the UK.

For one thing, the distances available to drive are incommensurate. Great Britain has a total of 247,100 miles of roads as of 2019. The US has 4,153,200 miles of roads in the states, and an additional 1,527 miles in the tiny District of Columbia.

Further, the average mileage one puts on a car in the US depends heavily on where one lives. I lived in Southern California for 28 years, and it is the archetype of urban sprawl. I never put fewer than 36,000 miles on any car I owned in a single year, just getting to work, shopping, and recreating. Since moving to Northern Virginia, I have put only about 5,000 miles on my truck in the past 6 years, or 833 miles a year. Everything is that much closer for me. People in Texas undoubtedly put way more than 36,000 miles per year on a car. People in Rhode Island probably put way less than I do on my vehicle.

Electric cars for everyone in the US is an impracticable proposition. But in Great Britain, it might make much more sense. Even at 9,200 miles per year (or 25.21 miles per day), an all electric vehicle could easily be run on lead-acid batteries. Given only one charge per week, a vehicle with 2,075 pounds of lead-acid batteries would suffice (half the weight of a Tesla battery for 300 mile range). It would be more than an order of magnitude cheaper than a Tesla battery pack, and last at least 5 years.

It is at least conceivable that such a car would be the same price as an ICE car, and perhaps even less.

I’m not an advocate for Johnson’s edict, at all. But given the geographic differences between the US and Great Britain, I am not at all convinced that it wouldn’t be not only possible, but economical.

hiskorr
November 19, 2020 6:33 am

So, the UK will begin to resemble Cuba, with older and older ICE cars on the road, and only the elite able to drive the newer EVs.

Joel O’Bryan
Reply to  hiskorr
November 19, 2020 6:42 am

Cuba at least gets cheap gas from it Maduro puppet regime in Venezuela to run those iron beasts.

Climate believer
Reply to  hiskorr
November 19, 2020 8:37 am

“So, the UK will begin to resemble Cuba, with older and older ICE cars on the road, and only the elite able to drive the newer EVs.”

…. but then what they do (as they have in France) is impose stricter rules on your MOT, so that older vehicles won’t pass the test, and just for good measure they will impose restrictions on where certain vehicles are allowed to drive. It’s death by a thousand civil servants.

Patrick
November 19, 2020 6:42 am

It’s very little to do with Boris, he has very little strength of character and is always changing his mind to please public opinion, especially when the person giving him grief is his latest, very Green partner, Carrie Symonds. According to No 10 gossip, she tweets him numerous times daily on the subject of climate change. She works as a senior advisor to ocean conservation charity Oceana

I thought we had elected a Conserative government, but I am being proved wrong.

philincalifornia
Reply to  Patrick
November 19, 2020 9:02 am

As an ex-Pat looking in and occasionally being bombarded by the Baghdad Bob Corporation when I can’t avoid it, didn’t Cameron start the Libtard/Conservative switch? At least he had the balls to resign ten minutes after the first Brexit vote.

MarkG
Reply to  philincalifornia
November 19, 2020 4:05 pm

Not really. The Tories have been socialists at least since WWII… Thatcher was merely a brief interlude in decades of selling out the British people and Cameron reverted to type.

There is no viable right-wing party in the UK, and little hope of creating one due to the first-past-the-post electoral system.

philincalifornia
Reply to  MarkG
November 19, 2020 8:34 pm

Thanks Mark. I appreciate that summary … gottit.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  philincalifornia
November 21, 2020 4:57 pm

“philincalifornia November 19, 2020 at 9:02 am

At least he had the balls to resign ten minutes after the first Brexit vote.”

That was no show of leadership (Balls). It was a blatant display of cowardice fairly typical of politicians these days.

Oldseadog
Reply to  Patrick
November 21, 2020 3:56 am

If Carrie marries Bojo and becomes Carrie Johnston, will that be a name or a job description?
(Apologies to Milton Jones.)

Pamela Matlack-Klein
November 19, 2020 6:45 am

What are the chances of Boris still being PM in 2030? I’m a bit fuzzy on exactly how your system in the UK works but seems to me IIRC that Parliament can do something about this. Vote of No Confidence, for instance? Doesn’t that force a general election? That’s how Thatcher was ousted, right? Or maybe most of the MPs are on-board with this madness…and expect to profit somehow from the destruction of the UK economy….

Editor
Reply to  Pamela Matlack-Klein
November 19, 2020 7:38 am

All three parties share exactly the same policies Pamela, and all three included them in their manifestos last year.

Last year, Parliament unanimously voted for Net Zero by 2050, so there is no chance of any change

griff
Reply to  Paul Homewood
November 19, 2020 9:17 am

Exactly

Robertvd
Reply to  Paul Homewood
November 19, 2020 9:32 am

Voting has become of no use.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Robertvd
November 19, 2020 6:29 pm

Exactly.

ANDY MANSELL
Reply to  Pamela Matlack-Klein
November 19, 2020 11:04 am

Mrs Thatcher won the election in 1979 that was brought about by a vote of no confidence in the Labour government which was the best thing that has ever happened to this country- how we could do with someone with her courage, sense of duty and conviction now, but sadly all we have are career politicos, sleazy opportunists and a rag tag of green nutters running things- all for their own ends. Even worse, who is there to step up if the chance arose?

MarkG
Reply to  ANDY MANSELL
November 19, 2020 4:08 pm

The Tory establishment hated Thatcher as much as the Republicans hate Trump, and did everything possible to ensure there’d never be another.

With rare exceptions, they’re a gang of wet midwits who weren’t competent enough to make money in business, so they had to go into politics instead.

nottoobrite
November 19, 2020 6:45 am

When I was a little boy my father took me to the circus. The clowns are still the same white hair and no sense ,only today we call them idiots.

Sunny
November 19, 2020 6:48 am

The greens have officially become the votes to gain, boris and cancerous Khan know that london can not support 100 or even 50% of a electrical EV gain. I have lived in london my whole life, it is nasty now, 20 years ago you could walk around at night and feel free, now you have to have eyes in the back of your head, you can’t leave your doors open, any tools or ladders are stolen if left alone for more then 3 seconds, the eastern Europeans have become famous for mass theft and begging, even outside Harrods eastern Europeans are seen begging,

The buses, trains, DLR (docklands lite rail) during morning and evening times are packed, even the roads now are busy..

London doesn’t feel british or english any more its pockets of mutli cultural people, and general crime across the board…

Carguy Pete
November 19, 2020 6:49 am

So, is electricity rationing on the horizon?

Reply to  Carguy Pete
November 19, 2020 8:22 am

Yes. That’s the goal of the whole program. Social engineering.
MUMA! Make UK Malthusian again!

Spetzer86
Reply to  Carguy Pete
November 19, 2020 8:42 am

What do you think the smart meters were for?

Lee L
Reply to  Carguy Pete
November 19, 2020 10:59 pm

“So, is electricity rationing on the horizon?” …

Well what do think those ‘SMART meters’ are for? Of course there is rationing on the horizon.

Dennis G Sandberg
November 19, 2020 6:56 am

Lack of empathy? Lack of intelligence!

November 19, 2020 6:58 am

Nice picture, BJ in adverse winds 😀
I hope he will really get enough of it and be blowin’ in the wind !

Paul Johnson
November 19, 2020 6:58 am

Another over-hyped headline.
The “ban” applies to gas/diesel vehicles ONLY. The cost of integrating of hybrid technology is falling. By 2030, it will be cost effective to include it just to increase fuel economy and essentially be standard on all vehicles. This “ban” is just roosters crowing to make the sun rise.

Editor
Reply to  Paul Johnson
November 19, 2020 7:41 am

Hybrids will only get a five year extension, Paul, and then they too will be banned, as they use fuel too.

In practice, very few manufacturers will bother to keep making hybrids for that long, given they will be a dead end

Simon
Reply to  Paul Johnson
November 19, 2020 9:51 am

And… if it is only on “new cars” then presumably it will be another 10-15 years before fossil fuelled private vehicles are finally gone (2040-45). Only a fool would bet against electric vehicles not being significantly better than petrol or diesel powered vehicles by then. And…anyway, most of the people who have a longing for ICE vehicles will be will be long gone by that date I would think.

knr
Reply to  Simon
November 19, 2020 11:38 am

Do you know the current range of many EV’s is the same as the EV’s from a hundred years ago !
But of course new batter tech is just around the corner, just happens to be a very , very , very long corner !

Simon
Reply to  knr
November 19, 2020 2:37 pm

“Do you know the current range of many EV’s is the same as the EV’s from a hundred years ago !”
Umm no that is complete BS. Find me an electric car of 100 years ago that can do 400 miles (long range model 3) on a charge? Even the most basic ones are doing 200 miles now. 5 years ago 150 miles was good. I’d call that quick improvement, wouldn’t you?

Joel Snider
Reply to  Simon
November 19, 2020 3:06 pm

And how much has been thrown down that particular black hole? And how much in sabotaging any competition? Or in this case, an outright ban?

Not to mention the C02 footprint, which was the whole pseudo-point in the first place?

Rig the game, pretend its fair, with your nose in the air.

Joel Snider
Reply to  Simon
November 19, 2020 2:17 pm

Once again, talking-point Simon is just SAYING shit. All with his standard smug smarminess and rigidly closed, deliberately ignorant mind

Simon
Reply to  Joel Snider
November 19, 2020 8:37 pm

“All with his standard smug smarminess and rigidly closed, deliberately ignorant mind”
Mirror needed here.

Here’s your chance Joel. What did I say here that was shit? Put up or shut up. I’m picking you will either change the subject or shut up.

Simon
Reply to  Simon
November 20, 2020 10:36 am

Joel Snide
OK so you took option B, which indicates you have no argument and all the time just wanted to throw mud. You should join Guiliani’s legal team.

yarpos
Reply to  Simon
November 19, 2020 10:19 pm

what people have a longing for is effective, functional and affordable transport

what they ae being sold is wishful thinking and , if “successful” a crashed electricity grid

Simon
Reply to  yarpos
November 20, 2020 1:34 am

If you say so.

LdB
November 19, 2020 6:58 am

You have to admire the UK for comedy value, I look forward to 2030 and will have the popcorn ready. Unfortunately it will probably be the same with all these sorts of great shifts, the poor who will suffer.

Robert W Turner
November 19, 2020 7:01 am

The formerly credible prime minister will learn a lot about physics and reality over the next 10 years.

Charles Fairbairn
November 19, 2020 7:15 am

Carrie Symonds has a lot to answer for.

ResourceGuy
November 19, 2020 7:24 am

Let them eat bugs.

Peter W
November 19, 2020 7:27 am

Just wait until they find out all of the problems which will come with dealing with the batteries used to power the automobiles; keeping them charged, replacing them, reduced mileage from running auto heat and air conditioning, fire hazards in accidents, probably more I haven’t mentioned.

Perhaps some will resurrect the likes of the Stanley Steamer. Of course, those will get banned in short order, too.

Anyone care to try developing a nuclear-powered auto? If successful, that should get lots of mileage between “fill-ups”.

ColMosby
Reply to  Peter W
November 19, 2020 7:43 am

Right now battery packs of EVs outlast the car itself. Many EVs have more than 100,000 miles on the same battery pack. By 2030 battery costs will make EVs cheaper than ICEs As battery prices go down, automakers will produce a lot of low priced EVs, which cost much less to operate than ICE vehicles, especially in Europe

Mark A Luhman
Reply to  ColMosby
November 19, 2020 8:16 am

I have not own a motor vehicle that that I drove for less than 200,000 miles for thirty years. I drove one older one 405,000 miles, it lasted 17 years. I want may car to last 10 years if not twenty. ICE vehicles are capable of doing that. The question is can EVs. I lived in North Dakota and now in Arizona. The short answer is in those two states is no. Batteries can’t take cold or heat. Add in the route between those two state have very few charging station and if it in the winter forget traveling in North Dakota a EV would be a death trap. At -20 F and lower you batteries will go dead and you will be mile away from anything, the same for Arizona at 110 F the batteries will be toast.

Mark A Luhman
Reply to  ColMosby
November 19, 2020 8:21 am

Where are all the rare earth material going to come from? Cheaper not by a long shot, EV world wide is not possible under any conditions.

Bill Toland
Reply to  ColMosby
November 19, 2020 9:15 am

ColMosby, you have a poor grasp of economics. The hugely increased demand for the raw materials required to make electric car batteries will cause the raw materials to rise in price dramatically. Electric car batteries will become much more expensive, not cheaper.

Reply to  ColMosby
November 19, 2020 9:32 am

Do you have an idea what “rare earths” means ?
Or have you a not yet published patent on a transmutation engine ?

Meab
Reply to  ColMosby
November 19, 2020 10:28 am

Flat lie, Cal. Tesloop, a Tesla company, has a Model S with 450,000 miles. It’s on its THIRD battery and second motor. Look it up. My oil change tech has a Chevy Silverado with 420,000 miles, all on the original engine and transmission. Batteries in fact degrade with the number of charges – especially fast charges and full charges. They degrade with age too. Claim they don’t and you’re lying again. Why do you think that Tesla’s warranty is only 8 years on the battery, and Tesla will do nothing unless the battery drops below 70% capacity. The average age of a car on the road in the US is 12 years. For every car newer than that there’s an older car.

You’ve repeated this lie before. You know it isn’t true, yet you choose to lie. Why?

Scissor
Reply to  Meab
November 19, 2020 11:06 am

ColMosby is mistakenly informed or lying. The fact that he cannot support his position is telling.

MarkW
Reply to  Scissor
November 19, 2020 1:59 pm

My suspicion is that he wants to drive electricity usage up so that we will have no choice but to start building nuclear power. From the way he frequently pushes company press releases as fact, I also strongly suspect that he’s heavily invested in a certain companies nuclear power design.

jtom
Reply to  Scissor
November 19, 2020 3:57 pm

There have been many occasions in the past where ColMosby has made erroneous claims. They were refuted by other commenters with links to the actual facts.

He still posts those untruths. “Mistakenly informed,” is not longer an option. He is deliberately mendacious.

MarkW
Reply to  ColMosby
November 19, 2020 1:57 pm

I doubt there are more than a handful of EVs that are old enough to have driven 100K miles.
I suspect these claims come from the same place your nuclear power claims come from.

Rich Davis
Reply to  MarkW
November 19, 2020 2:48 pm

A dark, odiferous orifice, just above the seat cushions?

Scissor
Reply to  MarkW
November 19, 2020 3:35 pm

These Teslas didn’t make it 10 miles.

Gordon A. Dressler
November 19, 2020 7:30 am

And just what will the nation-wide penalty be for failing to meet the Boris Johnson ban on January 1, 2030?

Will 100% of the UK be forced to a mandatory diet of bangers and mash?
Will each UK citizen have to write out 1000 lines of “Ooops, we should have tried harder”?
Will each UK citizen have to fork over 30,000 British pounds as a penalty?
Will Great Britain become the newest Cuba, with “classic” gasoline-fueled passenger cars and “classic” diesel-fueled industrial trucks being meticulously maintained for 50 years or more after 2030?
Will government squads come around at midnight to take away the firstborn male in each family not possessing a plug-in hybrid or all-battery EV?

And I do believe that high school-level mathematics and reasoning would be sufficient for anyone to show that stopping the sales of all gasoline and diesel powered vehicles in the UK by 2030 with a plan that only costs £4bn will be quite impossible . . . despite keeping a stiff upper lift, old boy.

To paraphrase Yogi Berra: It’s so easy for a politician to make bans, especially for the future when they’ll be out of office.

JohnM
Reply to  Gordon A. Dressler
November 19, 2020 3:30 pm

Tax.
Quite simply, the tax will be raised on the fuels until they cannot be afforded. Currently the price of petrol is £1.12 per litre. Of that 57p is fuel tax and 23p a consumer tax (VAT).
Those prices are the chain supermarts, the prices from non-s/mart retailers are more like £1.34 a litre

Gordon A. Dressler
Reply to  JohnM
November 19, 2020 8:02 pm

So, what not just pass the tax now and be done with it?

ResourceGuy
November 19, 2020 7:31 am

Get to know your battery fire safety protocols.

jtom
Reply to  ResourceGuy
November 19, 2020 4:00 pm

By then the most common way to put out a battery fire will be to smother it with a green advocate.

Bill Toland
November 19, 2020 7:32 am

Absolutely no provision has been made for reliable sources of power to generate the extra electricity required for electric cars in Britain. With most existing nuclear power stations closing down in the next decade or so, power cuts now look certain. The greens are opposed to any new nuclear in Britain so where will all the power come from? If gas central heating is outlawed too, this will make the shortfall in electricity supply enormous.

Mark A Luhman
Reply to  Bill Toland
November 19, 2020 8:19 am

Don’t have the power to keep up the grid now, let us add car charging to the mix. Boris is not to bright is he!

Ben Vorlich
Reply to  Mark A Luhman
November 19, 2020 10:55 am

He was a not very good journalist. He has a habit of opening his mouth and putting his foot in it.

jtom
Reply to  Bill Toland
November 19, 2020 4:06 pm

They have no intention of generating more power because they have no intention of letting you have a car. They can’t get away with simply banning cars, but they can effectively do it by raising the cost of ownership in order to combat climate change. And they expect you to thank them for saving the climate. They have a con going on which they can only win.

Dodgy Geezer
November 19, 2020 7:34 am

“…A few weeks ago a NHS worker was assaulted and left with severe injuries after asking fellow passengers to wear a mask….”

There is asking,. and there is telling free people to cover their heads by government order…

I understand that in 1776 some government employees were assaulted and left with severe injuries after asking colonial citizens to pay their taxes…

ColMosby
November 19, 2020 7:46 am

Get real people – by 2030 no automaker will still be producing ICE vehicles and EV prices will be less than ICE vehicles (except used ICE vehicles, which apparently are not banned) Cost of ownership for an EV is much less than that of an ICE vehicle (assuming can recharge at home or work)

Bruce Cobb
Reply to  ColMosby
November 19, 2020 8:04 am

On what planet?

Reply to  ColMosby
November 19, 2020 8:13 am

(assuming can recharge at home or work)
And just there are the limits, and these are very closely spaced.

old mike
Reply to  ColMosby
November 19, 2020 8:45 am

ColMosby

support your argued position with facts not hyperbole, and state your qualifications and career experience if you want the average reader here to even consider your comments.

Richard Saumarez
Reply to  ColMosby
November 19, 2020 9:12 am

See my comment below. Anything that works is an anathema to a greenie.

Joel O’Bryan
Reply to  ColMosby
November 19, 2020 9:19 am

CclMosby is delusional.
Clearly not someone who lives or has spent much time in the Western US. Even Cal for all its looniness loves the gas powered cars for freedom.

MarkW
Reply to  ColMosby
November 19, 2020 2:01 pm

How many times will you have to repeat this lie before you get anyone other than yourself to believe in it?

Olen
November 19, 2020 7:46 am

He must be limping after shooting himself in the foot. Probably will not be PM for long. Also allowing Christmas for 5 days in exchange for a lock down is not smart. Christmas is not negotiable for a lot of people.

Editor
November 19, 2020 7:46 am

Unfortunately all three parties here have exactly the same policies, and all included them in their manifestos last year.

The ban on petrol/diesel cars is the inevitable result of the vote last year for Net Zero by 2050, which was passed unanimously by Parliament.

https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2020/11/18/boris-10-point-climate-plan/

Bruce Cobb
November 19, 2020 7:47 am

Thank God for cake. Pie will do in a pinch. I think I like pie better, actually. So, let them eat pie.

John Garrett
November 19, 2020 7:53 am

Jesus H. effin’ Christ.

WTF?

“Britons never will be slaves.”

Thee haughty tyrants ne’er shall tame:
All their attempts to bend thee down,
Will but arouse thy generous flame;
But work their woe, and thy renown.
“Rule, Britannia! rule the waves:
“Britons never will be slaves.”

Reply to  John Garrett
November 19, 2020 7:58 am

Kevin kilty
Reply to  Charles Rotter
November 19, 2020 11:00 am

+many.

Bryan A
Reply to  Charles Rotter
November 19, 2020 10:22 pm

Because they still can

Chaswarnertoo
November 19, 2020 7:55 am

The watermelon insanity gets worse.

MarkW
November 19, 2020 7:57 am

How long till our various trolls declare this move is proof that electric vehicles are hugely popular and are suitable for any task?

Al Miller
November 19, 2020 8:00 am

Just hoe did we get this stupid…

Bruce Cobb
Reply to  Al Miller
November 19, 2020 8:10 am

The Greenies started raking it in.

DMH
November 19, 2020 8:04 am

Most definitely, this is all about China winning the war for world supremacy, and this is just one battle of many.

As long as everyone else but China shoulders this type of burden, it is only a matter of time before that happens. Has China, for instance, ever complied with the Montreal Protocol?

There’s nothing quite like living in a country full of useful idiots.

Martin Hovland
November 19, 2020 8:05 am

Giving way to Extinction Rebellion and The Guardian. Shooting himself in both his feet. How soft is it possible to get these days, voluntarilty?

beng135
November 19, 2020 8:12 am

Wow. And I thought the US was going insane. I guess we’ll be catching up soon enough, tho….

PaulH
November 19, 2020 8:12 am

I’m sure they’ll outlaw gasoline and Diesel delivery vehicles too. No need for messy trucks, trains and ocean-going vessels either. All food will be delivered via bicycle or drone to a central location for walk-up pick-up.

beng135
Reply to  PaulH
November 20, 2020 6:49 am

You forget planes, they burn FFs.

fretslider
November 19, 2020 8:22 am

Harrabin doesn’t mention the fuel duty black hole.

Currently VAT and tax on fuel brings in over £40billion per year. That will have to be clawed back from somewhere.

Vuk
Reply to  fretslider
November 19, 2020 9:01 am

No fear. Your car will have to have a GPS locked ‘smart meter’ with data collected by DVLA computers recording your up to minute millage, disable it and you will not be able to start your car. Every few days you will receive a bill (as in London we do for congestion charge) for a sum charged according to the type of roads you were driving on.

Robertvd
Reply to  fretslider
November 19, 2020 9:39 am

Electricity.

Nobody will be able to afford the electricity to drive the car. And sure you can only fill it up with government approved electricity with a special smart charger.

Climate believer
Reply to  fretslider
November 19, 2020 10:04 am

+1
Exactly, that is a sizeable hole.

Another point, that get’s skipped over, is how your EV’s electricity is being produced.
An EV in India will produce 1.7 times as much CO² over it’s lifetime than a diesel car, Australia is not much better, Germany and the UK are so borderline that it’s impossible to justify their high subsidies for such a minimal reduction in CO².

Only in countries with “de-carbonised” electricity, France (nuclear) or Iceland (geothermal) for example would there be any net benefit.

November 19, 2020 8:35 am

So the UK my country of origin have volunteered to be the crash test dummy for the Khmer Vert?
I’ll just watch the show from Belgium.
Nuclear won’t be of any help by 2030, 2130 maybe.
Electric lorries won’t work.
It will be a mistake to lose the technology of making the internal combustion engine.

Didn’t the UK’s own scientists point out that for a fully electric car fleet, the UK will need the entire world production of cobalt and neodymium and some other elements too?
Good luck with that.
But of course that’s not the plan, it’s eco-fiefdom, tying peasants to the land like in the good-ole days.
The entire UK becomes a period drama – how perfectly delightful!

Hordes of working class flying to Majorca and Ibiza on holiday every year is the deepest psychological trauma that the human race ever suffered in 70,000 years. An insult to hard-wired snobbery. It will soon be put right.

Vuk
Reply to  Phil Salmon
November 19, 2020 9:07 am

Heavier vehicles (lorries, busses etc) will eventually have hydrogen combustion running engines. About a year ago Transport for London (TfL) has ordered 20 of such doubledecker buses, which cost around £500,000 each.

pigs_in_space
Reply to  Vuk
November 19, 2020 11:08 am

And how are you planning to manufacture the hydrogen and deliver it to where it might be needed?
duh?

Vuk
Reply to  pigs_in_space
November 19, 2020 11:45 am

Believe it or not there are plans to build hydrogen grid (or replace gas ones) for homes’ heating. Apparently the excess wind generating electricity will be used to power yet to be built electrolysis plants.

Phil Salmon
Reply to  pigs_in_space
November 19, 2020 2:24 pm

The latest idea is to store hydrogen in the form of ammonia (NH3). Researchers at Northwestern University, USA have found a way to efficiently mobilise hydrogen from liquid ammonia, which is much easier to store and transport than hydrogen itself.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/11/201118141718.htm

Ammonia is also being trialled as a ship fuel. So ammonia could be part of a future energy landscape.

But ammonia has nitrogen in it so it’s a bomb making material. That’s a problem. By handling vast amounts of NH3 we would probably create a lot of opportunities for “Beirut bangs”. All over the place.

Nick Graves
November 19, 2020 8:46 am

Not everyone is as gullible as BoJo the Clown.

This is from Germany – possibly worth its own post on WUWT, but that’s not for me to judge.

It’s very long, but superbly-written:

[url]https://lockdownsceptics.org/the-future-shape-of-things/[/url]

max
November 19, 2020 9:07 am

Just think, it will look like Cuba, 30 year old trucks and cars driving around, doing business, because the EVs just aren’t up to the job.

Richard Saumarez
November 19, 2020 9:09 am

Anything that works is an anathema to a greenie.

I expect there will be a collision between Boris’ fantasy world and engineering reality.

It’s an awful thing to say but a good La Nina coupled with anticyclonic weather in the UK would stretch the grid beyond breaking. That might concentrate a few minds on the folly of “renewable” energy. At least anybody but the greens.

griff
November 19, 2020 9:14 am

‘Late night public transport in Britain is unsafe, particularly in high crime areas. ‘

Really it isn’t. This isn’t the USA.

philincalifornia
Reply to  griff
November 19, 2020 9:23 am

How much late night traveling have you done in the USA griff, besides zero? You’ve gotta try to rein in those voices in your head dude. You’re starting to look a bit silly on here.

DaveS
Reply to  philincalifornia
November 19, 2020 10:22 am

Starting?!?

pigs_in_space
Reply to  griff
November 19, 2020 11:17 am

You should try telling my daughter that!
She lives in London, and travels at all hours of the day and night.
Worst thing for a girl is being followed home by some loony or junkie who is intent on mugging her or knifing her for 10p.

Don’t you ever read the newspapers Griff?
Knife crime in London is some of the highest in the world!

MarkW
Reply to  griff
November 19, 2020 2:05 pm

The Guardian said it, griff believes it, that settles it.

griff
November 19, 2020 9:16 am

UK already has 30,000 EV charge points – 10,000 of them installed in 2019.

philincalifornia
Reply to  griff
November 19, 2020 9:26 am

Kewl, can we go through the maths on what effect that has had on any aspect of climate? Ready when you are.

Bryan A
Reply to  philincalifornia
November 19, 2020 10:25 pm

Zero point zero

Vuk
Reply to  griff
November 19, 2020 10:18 am

Griffo, a good business to be in for any Service “specialising in electrical engineering and renewable energy”.

Ben Vorlich
Reply to  griff
November 19, 2020 10:26 am

Ay up Me Duck, Griff, you have a track record of getting this sort of information wrong. Usually by overstating the green side. Most recently that wind supplied 37% of UK electricity last year, the correct figure was 28%.

Please supply an official reference for the information you’ve quoted.

knr
Reply to  griff
November 19, 2020 11:31 am

how many are available for public use not at someone’s house ,and who does the number of them affect the time it takes to charge at any one of them ?

Geo Rubik
Reply to  griff
November 19, 2020 11:58 am

Over 40,000,000 vehicles in the UK, looks like they have a long way to go and a short time to get there.

Eric the Brick
Reply to  griff
November 19, 2020 12:13 pm

Only need 30,000,000 more in the next15-20 years, i.e.7300 days. 22,000,000 for living accommodation and ,minimum, 8,000,000 for places of employment. 4000 per day until 2040. That will solve any unemployment situation after Covid.

MarkW
Reply to  griff
November 19, 2020 2:07 pm

That’s 30K charge points for 68 million people.
Got a long way to go dull chap.

PS: How many of those charge points are still working?

10K per year, at that rate it will only take 6,800 years to build the rest.

Mike O
November 19, 2020 9:16 am

100% virtue signaling. Pick a date so far out in the future, announce something that will garner cheers, retire so that you don’t have to deal with it. Rinse and repeat.

philincalifornia
November 19, 2020 9:21 am

“Hordes of working class flying to Majorca and Ibiza on holiday every year is the deepest psychological trauma that the human race ever suffered in 70,000 years. An insult to hard-wired snobbery. It will soon be put right.”

hard-wired snobbery …. that is so true

So snobbish that they think they can control the hoi polloi in the internet age.

Flight Level
Reply to  philincalifornia
November 19, 2020 9:45 am

Indeed, these climate commuting refugees exist, I can confirm. These and others, have flown too many of them to keep the count.

Phil Salmon
November 19, 2020 9:25 am

Good commentary from RT:
Britain set to become Cuba 🇨🇺

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/507177-uk-cars-ban-2030/

mwhite
November 19, 2020 9:40 am

Bye Bye UK car industry

Hotscot
Reply to  mwhite
November 19, 2020 4:34 pm

mwhite

It’s already gone. Boris’ ‘Midlands Miracle’ won’t work as Hona is pulling out in 2021 and Toyota in 2023. Nissan won’t last much longer as they are making noises about Brexit.

So no idea where these rafts of electric cars are going to come from, we’ll have to import them from Japan again.

Boris is either pulling a fast one here in the hope he’ll win votes. But wait until the polls show the Tories bombing over the next year or two as people realise how much this whole green fiasco will cost them.

Rip out my year old gas boiler and replace it with £20k of Heat Pump? I’d rather stick pins in my eyes!

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Hotscot
November 19, 2020 7:14 pm

“Hotscot November 19, 2020 at 4:34 pm

It’s already gone. Boris’ ‘Midlands Miracle’ won’t work as Hona is pulling out in 2021 and Toyota in 2023. Nissan won’t last much longer as they are making noises about Brexit.”

Honda is a massive employer, that’s going to destroy the region (A bit like when the rail works shutdown). Nissan has been on the receiving end of tax breaks since Thatcher. But I am not surprised what’s happening there, now, all in the name saving the planet.

November 19, 2020 9:50 am

Boris does not even own a vehicle? Boris will not be in office when it hits the fan. Boris feels good about helping to save Mother Earth? What does Nigel Farage think about this?

Eric the Brick
Reply to  T. C. Clark
November 19, 2020 12:17 pm

I think Nigel Farage will make so many people aware of the situation that 2030 won’t happen. Vote Reform UK. I’m going to.

markl
November 19, 2020 10:04 am

2029 will be a blockbuster year for ICE vehicle sales in the UK if this edict lasts that long, which I doubt.

Mark.R
November 19, 2020 10:05 am

“vulnerable people who cannot afford an electric vehicle.
These people most likely cant afford petrol car anyway.

2nd hand cars can last years, so its not going to change overnight.

I think it a bit like NZ ban on smoking in 2025.
(by then smoking dope will be ok thou )
It most likely not going to happen then as the government makes so much money from smokes.

Thomas Gasloli
November 19, 2020 10:45 am

Time for Nigel Farage to return & put the Tories feet to the fire. Apparently COVID made Boris’s brain go left.

ResourceGuy
November 19, 2020 10:57 am

The UK joins Australia in the list of countries that import all their cars.

Toto
November 19, 2020 11:06 am

Get a horse! Do it now because it takes them a long time to get a clue.

Alan Watt, Climate Denialist Level 7
November 19, 2020 11:07 am

Critics say the £4bn allocated to implement the 10-point plan is far too small for the scale of the challenge.

Critics are correct. Has anyone done a calculation of what the resulting increased electricity demand will be and what additional capacity will be required to meet it? In addition to adding capacity, the UK government will have to make up the lost fuel tax revenue.

Then there is the increased cost to new vehicle owners.

Conveniently, the 2021 Consumer Reports Buying Guide arrived this week. In the new car section there are listings for internal combustion, hybrid and pure battery electric vehicles. Prices are MSRP in US Dollars. There may be differences in trim which are not noted in the listings.

In the “Compact Electrics” category, prices range between $38,115 for the Nissan Leaf SV up to $47,270 for the Kia Niro EV (EX Premium). And that is excluding the outlier of $53,095 for the BMW i3 Giga Rex.

In the “Compact Hybrids and Plug-Ins” section, prices range from $24,129 for the Toyota Corolla LE to $29,889 for the Toyota Prius Prime Premium. There is no indication I could find for which ones are regular hybrids and which are plug-ins. If you compare the lowest price models in each category there is a 58% premium for the lowest priced electric over the lowest priced hybrid. There is also a 58% premium difference on the highest priced models (again, excluding the BMW).

In the “Small Sedans (internal combustion)” section the prices range from $17,220 for the Kia Rio S to $24,115 for the Mazda3 Select. There are two models listed in the $17-18K range and two more in the $18-19K range, so the Kia Rio is not that much of an outlier. Looking at the low-to-low and high-to-high comparisons again: 121% premium for the low-end electric and 96% premium for the high-end one.

Most interestingly, there one model with both full-EV and hybrid versions:

EV Kira Niro : $47,270 —- Hybrid: $26,805 (76% premium for the EV)

There are also “Small Sedan” in both Hybrid and internal combustion versions:

Toyota Corolla LE (hybrid): $24,129 — (ICE): $23,530 (2.5% premium for the hybrid).

In other sections there are other cases of hybrid and internal combustion equivalents:

Toyota Camry LE (hybrid): $28,949 — (4cyl): $26,364 (9.8% premium)
Honda Accord EX (hybrid): $29,780 — (4cyl): $28,345 (5% premium)
Ford Fusion SE (hybrid): $28,290 — (4cyl): 27,720 (2% premium)

Based on recollection, I believe the hybrid premium has come down from several years back. One model, the Lincoln MKZ shows the same price for both hybrid and ICE versions.

So the net effects of banning new internal combustion vehicles are:

* New cars will cost considerably more if pure EV, slightly more if hybrid. If the ban extends to hybrids later, everyone pays more.
* Fuel tax revenue will decline
* Additional electric generation capacity will need to be installed, and at least some mains upgraded.

I don’t know what portion of UK population live in apartments and other multi-family structures, but those that do will probably not have a charge-at-home-at-night option.

I’ve often wondered why, if we really have a climate emergency requiring a massive restructuring of the industrial sector, are we still paying for people to get degrees in subjects that can’t possibly contribute? Make all the non-STEM students shift to studying something useful. We do not need “Marxist Film Studies” graduates.

Reply to  Alan Watt, Climate Denialist Level 7
November 19, 2020 11:34 am

Has anyone done a calculation of what the resulting increased electricity demand will be and what additional capacity will be required to meet it?

Alan, I did a rough calculation tonight, We need about another 50GW of generation – so we need to double the UK grid. Now the only feasible way to do that to build 20 large nukes, but the whole grid needs to increase in capacity. I would say that is a £300bn project more or less.

Before you add in the cost of charging stations.

if you try to do it with windmills batteries and solar panels it simply will not happen at all.

Ain’t gonna happen. It’s virtue signalling nonsense by Boris so Carrie (Princess NutNuts) will let him back in the bedroom

Robert of Texas
November 19, 2020 11:11 am

This is a direct consequence of something you might not even think about – back when they dictated what kind of light bulbs could be sold. Once they found out they could dictate that, they are now using the same logic to dictate other things.

Had they NOT dictated what kind of light bulb you can use, millions of compact fluorescent bulbs would not now be contaminating waste sites with mercury, and the much more efficient LED lights would have caught on faster. These elites never stop to consider learning the consequences of past mistakes – they just move on and remake them.

At least in the U.K you can drive a significant percent of the land distance before needing to recharge. In the U.S., and especially places like Texas electric cars make no sense except for inner city driving. My daily commute was 60 miles a day (30 each way) with random traffic jams. You almost always have either the air conditioner or heater running (although this year has been strange, weather has remained pleasant longer than usual). If you tack on a business meeting or two…forget it – you are going to be walking.

I will convert my truck to propane before I give it up.

CCB - Stargrazzer
November 19, 2020 11:19 am

Apparently they the ‘ScienceAdvisors’ as heard on BBCRadio4 a few times, assuming I recall correctly, are suggesting our EV’s, well those that can afford them IF there is enough Cobalt even just for UK (Note: Believe from previous WUWT articles Slave Labour Cobalt Mining is involved), will be provide some of the UKNationalGridStorage – NeedsA Check

MarkG
Reply to  CCB - Stargrazzer
November 19, 2020 4:21 pm

The Joy of Midwittery. Obviously people will pay tens of thousands of pounds for electric car batteries which wear out after a limited number of cycles and then hook them up to the grid so the government can suck the power out of their car at any time to save having to buy batteries to provide grid power.

ResourceGuy
November 19, 2020 11:22 am

It takes time to gen up a crisis with bad management at the national level.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/desperate-fuel-venezuelans-steal-pdvsa-120211381.html

Alan Watt, Climate Denialist Level 7
Reply to  ResourceGuy
November 19, 2020 12:52 pm

Venezuela is a good reminder for people who believe “they couldn’t possibly be that stupid.”

knr
November 19, 2020 11:28 am

At no level is this timetable realistic .
Just consider who much worked would be required to have the charging points for all these EV’s , think of the millions that have no street not private parking , meaning you have to dig up countless pavements.
And then deal with supply and vandalism for all those points.
And they still have failed to deal with the there killers , range ,cost and charging .
While how many people do you think will have any hope of paying 30,000 plus for car ?
There is a very good reason that second hand cars sales are so large, and that is affordability .

Empty gesture that will leave a problem for someone else. With a return to all those right hand drive ‘nearly new’ cars from the EU , that used to occur because the significant costs difference or manufacture rip offs that used to occur.

Smart Rock
November 19, 2020 11:36 am

Boris is badly fumbling the Brexit. He got off to a good start but we suspect that Princess Carrie is a remoaner as well as a green believer, and she’s getting her way.

Vuk
November 19, 2020 11:36 am

There are more important things that the Australians should have been concerned about.
“A low-flying space rock set a record last Friday (appropriately, the 13th), when 2020 VT4 passed just under 400 kilometers (250 miles) over the Southern Pacific, 2020 VT4 would have certainly been visible as a fast-moving, +3 magnitude ‘star’ on its out-bound leg south of Tasmania in the pre-dawn sky.
The asteroid was spotted by the Asteroid Terrestrial-impact Last Alert System (ATLAS) survey at the Mauna Loa Observatory in Hawaii in the early morning hours of Saturday, November 14, just 15 hours after approach. This is not uncommon for fast-movers, especially asteroids that are coming at the Earth from our sunward blind spot, like 2020 VT4.
The asteroid- 2020 VT4 is estimated to be 5 to 10 meters (16-32 feet) across, about the size of a small house. Earth just missed occupying the same space as the perihelion point for the asteroid, which occurred just 20 hours prior to Earth passage.”
more here : https://phys.org/news/2020-11-asteroid-vt4-skimmed-earth.html

William Haas
November 19, 2020 11:47 am

If the UK really believes that the use of fossil fuels is bad the they should immediately ban the use of all goods and services that make any use of fossil fuels either directly or indirectly. Such a ban if fully enforced would lead to a very rapid depopulation of the British Isles which would be a great help to reforestation efforts there. Considering that the climate change we have been experiencing is caused by the sun and the oceans over which mankind has no control, the elimination of all fossil fuel use and the depopulation of the British Isles would have no effect on global climate.

kyle Nearhood
November 19, 2020 12:06 pm

The lack of knowledge is stupefying. Where do they think the electricity will come from for the electric vehicles ? Do they have a dozen new nuclear plants in the pipeline ? I wonder what happens to the price of electric batteries as the rare earth elements become harder to find ?

Ari Okkonen
November 19, 2020 12:26 pm

Johnson may know that in 2030 AMO and European temperatures are half way to cool bottom, and nobody is interested in carbon dioxide anymore. So the promise can be then forgotten.

Coeur de Lion
November 19, 2020 12:47 pm

The IONITI EVcharging company run by German hi-end car manufacturers charges (ha!) 0.69 euros per kWh. So a Leaf full top up costs you about £30 for c. 180 miles. And 3 hours? In five minutes I can put 480 miles into my clean Adblu diesel for £55. Bargain . What are charges here?

Voltron
November 19, 2020 1:31 pm

This is so frustrating. People don’t vote for turncoats. There is an element of trust in voting and when this sort of thing happens you feel like you may have well as voted for Corbyn.

God, I hate politicians.

BC
Reply to  Voltron
November 19, 2020 2:26 pm

The choice in pretty much every Western democracy is ‘bad government or worse government’.
It takes money to change the political landscape and almost all of the people with money want to preserve the status quo.

Patrick MJD
November 19, 2020 2:11 pm

Yep, I read about this yesterday. At least 40 million cars off the roads by 2030, ban on new ICE powered cars, everyone who wants a personal vehicle it must be electrically powered and all road users will be charged GBP1.40/mile.

BC
November 19, 2020 2:15 pm

I wonder to what extent the drive to make transport and energy unaffordable has to do with the self-proclaimed elites:
a) wanting to stop the ‘lower classes’ from clogging up their favorite holiday destinations;
b) basking in a little bit of schadenfreude from crapping on the ‘lower classes’; and
c) being genuinely concerned about human pressure on the environment and convinced that the only solution is to curtail the travel and consumption of the ‘lower classes’?

Jan de Jong
November 19, 2020 2:25 pm

The UK should have room for a party of realism soon, it would appear.

MarkG
Reply to  Jan de Jong
November 19, 2020 4:34 pm

Doesn’t matter. The next election is several years away. By then the UK auto industry will have been shut down.

griff
Reply to  MarkG
November 20, 2020 12:39 am

Exported to the EU

ianprsy
November 19, 2020 3:28 pm

I may have missed it, but I can’t see any comment about what happens if other countries and their car manufacturers don’t follow suit. What happens to UK exports if overseas customers don’t want electric cars?

Patrick MJD
Reply to  ianprsy
November 19, 2020 4:28 pm

“ianprsy November 19, 2020 at 3:28 pm

What happens to UK exports if overseas customers don’t want electric cars?”

I worked for Honda in Swindon in the 90’s. There was significant overcapacity in the industry then. Most surplus cars were shipped off to the channel islands. There are vast tracts of land where new and near-new cars parked up for disposal.

What one wants will become irrelevant, there won’t be a choice. We know how these sorts of elitist draconian policies, eventually, turn out.

griff
Reply to  ianprsy
November 20, 2020 12:37 am

But the major European and EU manufacturers ARE following suit!

The EU requires manufacturers to achieve low carbon standards across their range of cars offered for sale: for every gas guzzling SUV or high performance car you sell, you have to balance it with EV sales.

This is driving an enormous investment in EU EV building.

(Every other car advert on UK TV is for EV or PHEV).

On a separate note: UK car exports are probably doomed by a no deal Brexit: Every major manufacturer is on record as saying they’ll move to the EU if its no deal record. I can give you the quotes if challenged.

(There are no entirely British car makers in the UK any more: all foreib owned/run)

Patrick MJD
Reply to  griff
November 20, 2020 2:55 am

“griff November 20, 2020 at 12:37 am”

Where do EU car makers make there cars? Hint: It’s, largely, not in the EU.

Oldseadog
Reply to  griff
November 23, 2020 2:51 am

Morgan?

rah
November 19, 2020 3:40 pm

Is that ALL diesel vehicle sales? IOW do they think they are going to get by with electric commercial trucks?

Robert of Ottawa
November 19, 2020 3:49 pm

Morons.

And our very own Great Leadder, he with the spotted socks, wants the same.

Morons.

Interestingly, they do not expect to be around to test the plan in 2030. Probably enjoying the good life eating Swiss bank accounts.

niceguy
November 19, 2020 3:52 pm

That British brand of “populism” is very bizarre.

Patrick MJD
November 19, 2020 4:22 pm

COVID-19 was a prequel for “climate action” for the UK.

rah
November 19, 2020 4:58 pm

This would be hilarious if it wasn’t going to be so tragic. Think the average Brit can afford their vehicle to be 25 to 30% more expensive to buy? Where are their auto manufacturers going to move their fossil fueled vehicle production to? In 2030 do they think that demand for electric powered Rolls, Bently, Jags, and Land Rovers are going to outstrip those powered by fossil fuels? And I have not seen if this edict also applies to commercial vehicles.
I remember back in the late 90s when I went with my son to pick out a used motorcycle for him. That was down in San Antonio, TX. The shop I bought it at was owned by a Brit. He sold plenty of used bikes locally but where he made is real money was filling shipping containers up with used bikes and sending to a partner in the UK that sold them.

DENNIS THOMASON
November 19, 2020 5:02 pm

Let them eat cake. Oops, wrong side of the creek.

Chris Hoff
November 20, 2020 9:05 pm

There can’t be many MP’s in the British parliament with degrees in engineering.

CCB - Stargrazzer
November 21, 2020 9:24 am

For those in the UK there is a petition to sign to stop this NonScience:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/556842

slow to follow
November 21, 2020 2:38 pm

Boris is signalling to the EU/UN that we will stick to the plan despite Brexit.

Theresa May did the same by signing the UK up to net zero by 2050:

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/pm-theresa-may-we-will-end-uk-contribution-to-climate-change-by-2050

There is no alternative.

Iain Reid
Reply to  slow to follow
November 22, 2020 12:24 am

Slow to follow,
there is an alternative, although with current politicians it will take some doing, which is to repeal the stupid Climate Chnage Act.
With time though they will see just how unacheivable it will be and at an unaffordable cost.

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