Escape from Wales? Britain’s Most Out of Control Covid-19 Lockdown

Escape from Wales

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

Police checkpoints, supermarkets sealing off shelves of “non-essential” goods, a police state the likes of which nobody in Wales has experienced since the 13th century.

Big Government Bans Supermarkets from Selling ‘Non Essentials’ in Lockdown Wales

VICTORIA FRIEDMAN 23 Oct 2020

Wales’s First Minister Mark Drakeford has said that supermarkets will not be able to sell ‘non-essential’ goods like clothing during a 17-day lockdown.

From 6 pm on Friday to midnight on November 9th, Wales will see many retailers close, apart from shops which sell food like supermarkets, as well as pharmacies and off-licences.

There had been a complaint in the Welsh parliament that clothing shops and hardware stores had to close, while supermarkets were still open to sell similar products. The Welsh leader’s solution was, instead of allowing those shops to remain open, to ban larger retailers from selling ‘non-essentials’ entirely.

Claiming the move would create a “level playing field” for small businesses, Mr Drakeford said on Thursday according to the BBC: “We will be making it clear to supermarkets that they are only able to open those parts of their business that provide essential goods to people.”

Read more: https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/10/23/big-government-bans-supermarkets-selling-non-essentials-lockdown-wales/

Those hard borders;

No escaping from Wales: UK police to enforce travel ban

AP 24 Oct 2020

A police force in England says it will try to stop people from leaving Wales, which has started a 17-day lockdown to slow a surging rate of coronavirus infections

No escaping from Wales: UK police to enforce travel ban
By DANICA KIRKA
Associated Press LONDON

LONDON (AP) — A police force in England says it will try to stop people from leaving Wales, which has started a 17-day lockdown to slow a surging rate of coronavirus infections.

The Gloucestershire Constabulary will patrol routes from Wales and pull over drivers they believe are making long journeys. Travelers without a good excuse will be asked to turn around. If they don’t comply, officers will inform their Welsh counterparts so they can take action because Gloucestershire police don’t have the authority to fine people traveling from Wales, the department said.

The situation illustrates the patchwork of coronavirus restrictions imposed by authorities throughout the U.K., which has Europe’s deadliest coronavirus numbers, with 44,661 confirmed virus deaths. Some 1,756 of those occurred in Wales, which has a population of about 3 million.

Read more: https://www.breitbart.com/news/no-escaping-from-wales-uk-police-to-enforce-travel-ban/

I have fond memories of Wales, a nation bursting with national pride and their rich history. Distinct from England, friendly and totally crazy at the same time. The Welsh dragon, an ancient call to freedom, is everywhere. Welsh people move to rhythms others can barely hear, the old magic always seems very close to the surface of modern life. Britain’s strict pub closing time was frequently ignored. Life on the edge – two guys once tried to mug me in Cardiff, asked me what I had in the briefcase, so I said “coke”, and they ran away. I had a can of coca-cola in my briefcase. The first time you visit a pub in Cardiff, you pick a fight with someone, after that nobody gives you any trouble. Some of the hottest women in Britain, and the best late night steak houses. Just walking down the street in Cardiff or Swansea is an adventure; love, lethal danger, breathtaking beauty, or the indescribably weird – you never know what you will encounter. Wales is truly a glorious living modern centre of ancient Celtic society.

Not a nation of rule followers.

Yet at the same time Wales endures a seemingly endless parade of some of the most unimaginative, repressive, and economically illiterate politicians in Britain.

I suspect if anyone in Britain finally gives the finger to the lockdown fascists, it will be the Welsh. One provocation too many will be all it takes.

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Tony Price
October 24, 2020 10:15 pm

You bet! Wales had two of the three Roman legionary fortresses in Britain on its border in the first few centuries AD. A lot of manpower invested in them.
That speaks volumes for the resistance they put up to occupation.
Wales has more mediaeval castles than any comparable area in the world.
Edward I may have been the hammer of the Scots, but the damned Welsh cost him a lot of brass and a lot of time to bring under even partial control.
We’ve got a lot of history to live up to.
Cymru am byth. Wales for ever!

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Tony Price
October 24, 2020 10:39 pm

The old word “wales” also means migrant. It is where migrants to Britain went. Lets not forget boy’oh that Welsh people, still, burn down houses owned by the English.

ironicman
Reply to  Patrick MJD
October 24, 2020 11:47 pm

The word means ‘slaves’ and ‘foreigners’, but Welsh citizens see no reason to change it.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  ironicman
October 25, 2020 2:28 am

“ironicman October 24, 2020 at 11:47 pm

The word means ‘slaves’ and ‘foreigners’,…”

Slaves no, foreigners yes. Or another word is “migrant”.

Greg
Reply to  Patrick MJD
October 25, 2020 12:50 pm

They say the only true Englishman is a Welshman, since the Romans stopped Offa’s dyke and those not falling to Roman rule fled to Wales.

Maybe that’s the foreigner / migrant angle.

Hivemind
Reply to  Patrick MJD
October 26, 2020 12:41 am

In some languages, ‘foreigner’ is a synonym for ‘enemy’.

Reply to  Patrick MJD
October 26, 2020 9:10 pm

Greg October 25, 2020 at 12:50 pm
They say the only true Englishman is a Welshman, since the Romans stopped Offa’s dyke and those not falling to Roman rule fled to Wales.

The Romans had nothing to do with Offa’s Dyke it was built, about 400 years after the Roman ruler left, by King Offa of Mercia (an Anglo-Saxon kingdom).

Reply to  ironicman
October 25, 2020 5:03 am

ironicman October 24, 2020 at 11:47 pm
The word means ‘slaves’ and ‘foreigners’, but Welsh citizens see no reason to change it.

That’s the english word for the country, the Welsh call it Cymru. Check out any road entering Cymru.
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Photios
Reply to  Phil.
October 25, 2020 6:02 pm

Whenever the Germans invaded a country (and the English are at bottom a species of German) they often called the native inhabitants ‘foreigners’ or ‘Welsh’, or ‘Wallace’, or ‘Wallachians’ (as the Saxons called the Romanians). The peoples may be different, but the name (and the sentiment behind it) is the same.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Phil.
October 26, 2020 12:14 am

“Photios October 25, 2020 at 6:02 pm”

The “Angles”, yes, a north German tribe.

Brendan
Reply to  Phil.
October 26, 2020 3:42 am

The Angles took their name from Angeln (Anglia or Engla-land),
a small peninsula within the larger peninsula of Jutland.
See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglia_(peninsula)

Along with the Saxons and the Jutes, they made up the English.
For a good idea of where they all came from, see:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saxons#/media/File:Anglo-Saxon_Homelands_and_Settlements.svg

Redge
Reply to  Patrick MJD
October 24, 2020 11:51 pm

I remember a Not the Nine O’Clock News sketch during the ad campaign for people to have real (coal) fires:

“Come home to a real fire,

Buy a holiday home in Wales”

AngryScotonFraggleRock
Reply to  Redge
October 25, 2020 1:59 am

Or the petrol (gas) tanker with the words ‘Free Cymru Fire Service’ painted along the sides!

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Redge
October 25, 2020 2:29 am

Showing your age there.

Redge
Reply to  Patrick MJD
October 25, 2020 2:49 am

I’m old

I can remember when boys couldn’t wait to get put of short pants and into long pants. These days, it’s the other way round. Recently I saw a man walking outside in shorts, t-shirt and flip flops – it was in February, and no Griff/Loydo, this isn’t a sign of global warming

I can also remember when Buxton was cut off by snow in the middle of summer

Reply to  Patrick MJD
October 25, 2020 5:10 am

Redge October 25, 2020 at 2:49 am

I can also remember when Buxton was cut off by snow in the middle of summer

I drove from Sheffield to Buxton that morning, we had a couple of inches of snow mid-morning. Famous for preventing play in the county cricket match between Derbyshire and Lancashire! I had planned to go to the game that afternoon.
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2020/jun/01/weatherwatch-freak-snow-stopped-cricket-on-2-june-1975

Robert of Ottawa
Reply to  Tony Price
October 25, 2020 5:35 am

But it’s mainly due to the terrain, rather than some Gallic Resistance, a la Asterix the Gaul. Lovely place Wales.

Michael Zorn
October 24, 2020 10:25 pm

There won’t be anything left of Wales by the time Lord Whatisname decides that people can go back to work.
The Prince will find himself Prince of Nothing.

David A
Reply to  Michael Zorn
October 24, 2020 11:41 pm

“Claiming the move would create a “level playing field” for small businesses, Mr Drakeford said on Thursday…”

Level playing field? How, by making them all dead, by killing the game so nobody wins. Not even a participation trophy in that.

In the mean Cov 19 apparently cured the flu…
https://realclimatescience.com/2020/10/new-video-flu-cure-discovered/

Tom Foley
Reply to  David A
October 25, 2020 12:58 am

Nah, David, it’s just that handwashing, social distancing and lockdowns work to reduce the transmission of flu as well as of covid19. Most importantly, there’s a flu vaccine and a lot more people have had it this year. Even those who don’t have the vaccine probably have some residual resistance to the current strain of flu because they will have been exposed to many versions of flu in the past.

But you could say this means that covid19 ‘cured’ ( really, reduced the rate of) flu this year because covid19 led to actions that cut flu transmission.

Pat from kerbob
Reply to  Tom Foley
October 25, 2020 9:55 am

It is also likely that many of those susceptible to Flu have already been culled by covid.
But every year there is a new group ready
Not possible to stop death from taking his share

Greg
Reply to  Pat from kerbob
October 25, 2020 12:21 pm

I predicted back in April that flu would be nearly non existent this year. Firstly because people die all the time and the current population the most vulnerable have already been taken out of the equation.

Secondly because any flu cases will get classed “covid19 like symptoms ” and that’s near enough when you need to justify a lock down.

TRM
Reply to  Tom Foley
October 25, 2020 10:22 am

Hand washing and avoid crowds larger than 50 people work. Everything else (lockdowns, masks) is for show. There will be less flu deaths this fall because a lot of vulnerable people died in April/May. Look at the one stat that is very hard to “adjust”, total deaths compared to a 5 year average:

The CDC has a “total/excess” deaths page. Scroll down to the chart:

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm

Nobel-laureate Dr. Michael Levitt (Chemistry and structural biology at Stanford)

May 04, 2020: “If Sweden stops at about 5,000 or 6,000 deaths, we will know that they’ve reached herd immunity, and we didn’t need to do any kind of lockdown.”

https://www.stanforddaily.com/2020/05/04/qa-nobel-laureate-says-covid-19-curve-could-be-naturally-self-flattening/

As of October 24, 2020 Sweden has 5,933 deaths:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/

Update on July 20, 2020

https://www.dropbox.com/s/72hi9jfcqfct1n9/Haaretz-20Jul20_ENGLISH%2012082020%20v3.pdf?dl=0

Effect of closing borders, full lockdowns

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(20)30208-X/fulltext

“Government actions such as border closures, full lockdowns, and a high rate of COVID-19 testing were not associated with statistically significant reductions in the number of critical cases or overall mortality.”

– Conclusions: The lockdown was needless. It peaked in April and is almost over. Border closures & full lockdowns don’t work.

Reply to  TRM
October 25, 2020 2:45 pm

I can’t find a simple data: the total number of deaths per week, for the US, for 2018, 2019, and 2020. Your CDC link (thanks for it!) seems to provide only heavily manipulated data.

TonyG
Reply to  TRM
October 27, 2020 4:48 pm

Hand washing and avoid crowds larger than 50 people work. Everything else (lockdowns, masks) is for show

A funny thing I’ve noticed coinciding with more people wearing masks: less people using hand sanitizer or washing their hands, and nobody wearing gloves (except fast foot places)

David A
Reply to  Tom Foley
October 25, 2020 6:12 pm

Most reported flu cases are NOT tested, just modeled, so they changed the model.

The flu did not decline, it is almost zero.

Robert of Ottawar
Reply to  David A
October 25, 2020 5:38 am

You’d be hard-pressed to find a level playing field in Wales; it’s a bit bumpy.

Robert of Ottawa
Reply to  David A
October 25, 2020 5:40 am

Maybe the testing is not so good at distinguishing between flu viruses and the dread Wuhoo strain.

David A
Reply to  David A
October 25, 2020 8:10 am

If Cov19 is rapidly increasing in number of infected the flu should have followed somewhat as we get into October. Instead it is not reduced, it is drastically reduced. The vast majority of flu cases were never tested, just a modeled number. It would be interesting to know if the modeled number mismatches the number of reported cases.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  David A
October 25, 2020 8:50 am

“level playing field” means all suffer equally. Too bad someone couldn’t find a way to make it a win-win situation instead of lose-lose!

Now what happens if someone needs to replace a vital piece of clothing? Are the Welsh going to have a Lady Godiva moment?

What if someone needs to replace a lock on their door, or patch a hole in the roof, or buy lubricating oil for a chain saw to remove a tree in the driveway? One man’s inconvenience may be another man’s emergency.

There are many food items in a store that are not ‘essential.’ Maybe they should consider banning candy and pastries! Or, God forbid, alcoholic beverages! There are lots of draconian measures that can be drawn up to create a “level playing field”.

Right-Handed Shark
Reply to  Michael Zorn
October 25, 2020 5:44 am

Wrong, he will still be the prince of ‘wails’..

Reply to  Michael Zorn
October 25, 2020 7:13 am

1756 deaths out of 3 million is a death rate of 0.06%. Yawn.

STOP TESTING ALTOGETHER.

FREE THE HOSTAGES (COUNTRIES).

THE PCR TEST IS CRAP AND DESIGNED TO PRODUCE 85 TO 100% FALSE POSITIVES.

A POSITIVE TEST FOES NOT MAKE YOU A CASE.

MASKS ARE UNHEALTHY ON BOTH THE HEALTHY AND THE SICK.

THESE ACTIONS COMPRISE CRIMINAL ACTS AGAINST THE PEOPLE, BEING CLEARLY POLITICAL.

LdB
Reply to  Charles Higley
October 25, 2020 11:25 pm

You get the PCR thing you state is complete rubbish, it isn’t remotely believable. In a country with little covid you can do 50000 tests a day a return very few positives day after day after day. The chances of being able to do that if your BS claim was true is in the billions to one against. I don’t know where you got that idea but it is complete BS and please stop repeating it.

Newt2u
Reply to  LdB
October 25, 2020 11:57 pm

Lets say that the specificity was 99%, a reasonable assumption, i.e. 1% false positives and speculate that of your 50000 , 50 actually carry the virus, then we would expect 550 positive results, i.e. 90% of the test rsults are wrong. This is what you get with a low prevalence and mass testing.

As to masks, a Danish double blind paper which shows masks are unhealthy is currently having trouble finding a publisher, so not BS, although the post could have been better worded.

noaaprogrammer
October 24, 2020 10:26 pm

Walexit!

Alex
Reply to  noaaprogrammer
October 24, 2020 11:07 pm

Wales first minister made the decision. Get some rope.

J Mac
October 24, 2020 10:32 pm

Socialist diktats run amuck – Gads!

David Guy-Johnson
October 24, 2020 10:56 pm

Strange memories of Wales. Many parts of Wales had stricter licensing laws than the rest of the UK

Dreadnought
Reply to  David Guy-Johnson
October 25, 2020 12:31 am

Yeah, that’s what I thought…

Addolff
Reply to  Dreadnought
October 25, 2020 2:15 am

As a 16 year old I remember holidaying in Carmarthen, Wales in 1975 (Gabriel leaves Genesis -shock, horror headline in Melody Maker).
IFIRC they were having a referendum whether to allow pubs in the county to open on Sundays. A Vicar was on TV the day before, arguing for the ban to remain and saying the outcome would be “gods will”.
The following day when the ban was rescinded the same bloke was lamenting “it was the work of the devil”

ThinkingScientist
Reply to  Addolff
October 25, 2020 7:16 am

When I arrived at Bangor Uni in 1981 the county of Gwynedd was still dry on Sundays. Only private clubs could serve alcohol – which mean the Student Union could, a huge source of friction with Bangor locals. You had to go over to Anglesey (Bulkely Arms Hotel in Beaumaris) or the Aber Falls Hotel to get a drink on a Sunday until they changed it by a local referendum – in which the students could vote!

Reply to  Addolff
October 25, 2020 9:01 am

Wales was dry on sundays since 1881, the first referendum to go ‘wet’ was in 1961 when a few counties voted to do so, Radnorshire was one of those to do so that year. There were repeat referenda every 7 years until eventually the whole country became ‘wet’ in 1996.
There were pubs that were on the english side of the border that used to do most of their trade on sundays.

Robert of Ottawa
Reply to  David Guy-Johnson
October 25, 2020 5:41 am

When I lived in Beaumaris, you joined the Legion so you could drink on Sunday.

October 24, 2020 11:13 pm

Sung to the tune of Men of Harlech (Rhyfelgyrch Gwyr Harlech)

Cymru men are you shallow?
COVID’s craft is a rushing billow,
Waves of lockouts yet to follow,
With testing’s deceitful claim!
Tis the tramp of functionary yesmen,
Government foemen, executive bribemen,
With pious medics these compliant yeomen,
They shall lock you down?
Lose fake tests asunder,
Flag you’ll conquer under!
The placid sky grows bright on high,
Should launch its bolts in thunder!
Onward! ’tis the country needs you,
Who is bravest, will a virus leads you?
Honor’s self proudly heads a redo ,
Freedom, God and Right!

Newt2u
October 24, 2020 11:39 pm

Has anyone looked at Euromomo data for Wales… it has no excess deaths in week 41, No change since the First peak (not large anyway) subsided. Increase testing exponentially you increase cases exponentially and probably “covid” deaths as well, as people die. So the only data that makes any sense is excess deaths, only Spain in Europe has moderate excesses atm, and that is not unusual at this time of year.

RB
Reply to  Newt2u
October 25, 2020 12:57 am

You can see the same data up to week 41 (Up to October 9th) on the ONS website. As you point out there is no excess mortality at the moment. At this time of year you would expect about 600 deaths a week in Wales. The thing is they will increase as we head into winter and January we normally expect about 800 deaths a week in Wales, so the total deaths number is going to increase anyway the next few months with or without Covid.

The authorities will have the most current data so perhaps there has been a notable increase over the last fortnight.

newt2u
Reply to  RB
October 25, 2020 1:02 am

“The authorities will have the most current data so perhaps there has been a notable increase over the last fortnight.”

… as one might expect as the winter approaches. Also many will be attributed to covid because of the definition of a covid death, i.e. any false positive test case who dies, died of Covid.

Ron Long
Reply to  RB
October 25, 2020 3:18 am

RB, you can see up to date Oct. 24) coronavirus data on worldometer.info/coronavirus. It shows UK (all of the Queens friends lumped together) with an upturn in new cases but only a very slight upturn in mortality. We had this discussion here at WATTS a few days ago, the new (mutated) virus is either less lethal or there has been dramatic advances toward treating it, or some combination.

newt2u
Reply to  Ron Long
October 25, 2020 5:15 am

see: https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?yScale=log&zoomToSelection=true&time=2020-05-04..latest&country=~GBR&region=World&testsMetric=true&interval=smoothed&perCapita=true&smoothing=7&pickerMetric=total_deaths&pickerSort=desc

pretty much exponential increase in testing since May in the UK, false positive will increase so called cases even without any virus spreading. However to be fair the rate of positives has risen from 1.5% to about 6%. Nor sure what the specificity is but with people returning unswabbed tests and getting a positive result, I am not sure we can be certain of anything… except excess mortality.

Robert of Ottawa
Reply to  Ron Long
October 25, 2020 5:45 am

Maybe false positives in the testing, of which there is much more as well.

Chris Wright
Reply to  Newt2u
October 25, 2020 4:01 am

Yes, Euromomo data is very useful. It’s probably one of the few things the EU does that is actually useful. Note that the data is for deaths from all causes, possibly the most reliable indicator for the pandemic.

It’s well worth taking a look:
https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/

The z-score graphs are particularly useful, as they allow a direct comparison between countries. The two that stick out like a sore thumb are Spain and England (but not the other UK countries). Sweden looks very good: a moderate initial peak with a steady fall off following and no sign of *any* autumn increase. It strongly suggests that the very small lockdown in Sweden has gifted them with a high degree of immunity now.

For recent weeks, England and the UK have been very close to normal, apart from a short-term England spike in week 33. Ironically, Wales is the one exception: right now it’s *well* below normal, at -6.52. In fact, right now Wales has the second lowest z-score in all of Europe (after France). Spain has by far the largest up-tick, at 9.22 (week 42). However, note that these latest weekly data are subject to revision.

So: Wales, which is being subjected to an economy-destroying lockdown, is also the country that has almost the least proportionate deaths in all of Europe.
Something is very sick. And it’s not just caused by covid. It’s caused by hysteria and fear-mongering. Just like climate alarmism.
Chris

Reply to  Chris Wright
October 25, 2020 5:41 am

Most of France is now under curfew 2100 to 0600. I’ve lost track of what’s going on — the first reaction to the UK testing was: test more, you’ll find more positives. Add the test which is being used which appears to pick up large numbers of “phantom” positives (better description than “false”, I think) and the figures we are seeing don’t seem to match the Euromomo data. There appears to be an upturn in infections but no way of knowing how many of these are genuine “cases”, ie needing medical intervention.

Meanwhile our “medical modellers” are having a field day!

Robert of Ottawa
Reply to  Chris Wright
October 25, 2020 5:48 am

A serological study in Brasil found recently estimated that 26% of the residents of Sao Paulo had anti-bodies to the virus.

Redge
October 24, 2020 11:45 pm

If the powers that be really want to stop people coming and going from Wales, they should just tell people they can’t enter or leave without spelling the place name:

Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch

ThinkingScientist
Reply to  Redge
October 25, 2020 10:45 am

Or Llanfair PG as everyone actually refers to it!

BillP
October 24, 2020 11:47 pm

The reason that Britain’s “COVID-19 deaths” are so high is that there is no attempt to distinguish dying with COVID-19 from dying of COVID-19. The official numbers are for “Deaths within 28 days of positive test” actual cause of death is ignored.

whiten
Reply to  BillP
October 25, 2020 5:24 am

BillP
October 24, 2020 at 11:47 pm

Seems impossible to convince these “zombies” there that “28 days later” was a horror movie and definitely not a scientific documentary.
Or they just simply and desperately trying and doing the most for the rest of the world to understand that it is wrongly blaming China for COVID-19.

Simply UK is lighting up as the ground zero for COVID-19.

cheers

cheers

Patrick healy
October 24, 2020 11:48 pm

Yes they prey on their knees on Sunday and on their neighbours the rest of the week.
Only joking, my son is Welsh.
Mind you they are lousy rugby players – got hammered by France last night.

Reply to  Patrick healy
October 25, 2020 5:43 am

And that was a joy to watch!

Brendan
Reply to  Patrick healy
October 25, 2020 7:17 pm

The full story is:
The Welsh pray on their knees and then on their neighbours.
The Irish don’t know what they want but will fight anyone to get it.
The Scots keep the Sabbath and anything else they can get their hands on.
The English are a race of self-made men – thus saving the Almighty the bother.

michel
October 25, 2020 12:01 am

No, this is not how Wales is now at all. If indeed it ever was.

The detailed implementation of the lockdown may be questionable. Its necessity is probably not. The problem all of the UK regions potentially have is running out of critical care beds. The Welsh government has decided that it cannot effectively manage a series of local lockdowns, so has to do a country-wide one. They are probably right. They have been doing local ones and the infection rate has still risen. If they do not limit infections they will have the kind of disaster we saw in Italy early in the epidemic.

As to banning non-essential purchases, their worry is that having closed all the local smaller shops, the supermarkets will still be trading in clothes etc. So they will be seen as having, in effect, implemented one rule for the supermarkets and another for the ‘high streets’ – the local city and town shopping districts.

They also want to make the supermarket trips as short and few as possible. They are concerned that if they allow them to trade normally they will just transfer the shopping traffic into the supermarkets, which will then become vectors of transmission.

What they are trying to do is close down all contacts other than those that are absolutely necessary.

The next problem they have is people driving in from English hot spots. This is by American or even European standards a tiny geographical area – which is one reason why local lockdowns in the country have been so ineffective. In terms of Britain, they are no distance from Liverpool and the other hot spots in the northwestern parts of England, which are rapidly extending south.

All in all, its not unreasonable. The thing to worry about for the Welsh is how long it will have to go on. The idea is that a couple of weeks should do it. To restrict the population for this long is not a big deal. But the time period specified is probably too short to know how well its worked, and at the end of it, they will be faced with the choice of relaxing without knowing what that will lead to, or continuing without knowing whether its necessary.

They will probably, given the risks to the hospitals, have to go with an extension. In which case it would be smarter to make that clear at the start.

A few voices in the UK at the moment are proposing to isolate only the over 65s, as being the most at risk of death or serious illness, and the most at risk of taking up hospital beds. The general view is that this is impossible to do successfully. However it seems likely they will be driven to it in the end by running out of money to do general lockdowns. Its going to be very tough to do, given the number of multi-generational households, particularly in the Northern and Midlands cities. But its probably where they are going to end up.

Hokey Schtick
Reply to  michel
October 25, 2020 1:14 am

All those probablys yet you are certainly wrong on just about everything. Listen to Mike Yeadon on James Delingpoles podcast.

michel
Reply to  Hokey Schtick
October 25, 2020 1:42 am

There is a summary of Yeadon’s views, by him, here:

https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/what-sage-has-got-wrong/

I think his argument has been falsified by events in Liverpool and the other northern cities, and in Belgium and Holland. If he was right, there should have been no second wave and no sudden rise in hospital admissions. There plainly are both of these.

Hospital admissions are right now the driving factor in the government handling of the epidemic, both at a local and national level. They are the reason why not just Wales but also the Northern local authorities, have gone to lockdowns.

If you were an elected local official, a well known local figure, taking these decisions, would you really be prepared to place your bet on higher levels of immunity existing than the numbers seem to indicate from day to day?

Knowing that if you get it wrong, you will have to walk around in your town and district, attend council meetings and public events, and be known as the one who got it wrong? The one who allowed hospital beds to run out? Against the advice of the national government and the consensus of advisers?

Don’t think so.

MrGrimNasty
Reply to  michel
October 25, 2020 3:17 am

The average age of death from covid since the start of the year is 82.4 (higher than other causes). The IFR is now about 6/1000. Deaths from flu/pneumonia(non-covid) have outnumbered covid deaths for ages.

It is crazy locking down for such a disease, it is not harmless, but it is not the Satan Bug either.
The economics and the well-being balance is off-the-scale wrong.

https://www.soundhealthandlastingwealth.com/covid-19/the-average-age-of-death-from-coronavirus-is-82-4-years-writes-david-rose/

ozspeaksup
Reply to  MrGrimNasty
October 25, 2020 4:48 am

try being in Victoria Aus
minidictator dans yet again refused to ease restrictions on shops restaurants etc again!!!
because a 30person seemingly all friends/family seemingly immigrants(again) didnt stay home and keep their kids away from school in one? suburb
so hes refusing the entire inner vic areas any relief and restart to trade
all shops have been shut for months now apart from supermarkets other food butchers etc
but the online purchases have soared and many wont revert to shopfront purchase after

michel
Reply to  michel
October 25, 2020 1:46 am

This is Yeadon’s argument:

The more likely situation is that the susceptible population is now sufficiently depleted (now 28%) and the immune population sufficiently large that there will not be another large, national scale outbreak of COVID-19. Limited, regional outbreaks will be self-limiting and the pandemic is effectively over. This matches current evidence, with COVID-19 deaths remaining a fraction of what they were in spring, despite numerous questionable practices, all designed to artificially increase the number of apparent COVID-19 deaths.

It has the great merit of implying some falsifiable predictions.

whiten
Reply to  michel
October 25, 2020 9:53 am

michel
October 25, 2020 at 1:46 am

You have to understand that is not Yeadon’s fault for this whole sale stupidity at large which happens to stand on the insane proclaimed grounds that fatality is the main parameter in the definition of a Pandemic.

You have to look elsewhere for the root of such pandemic stupidity, maybe Fauci, Billy you know WHO and the rest of the hyenas there, or/and also consider the naivety and ignorance of people at large.

When you looking up for a speck in your brother’s eye, you better check out first for that huge pole up you know what.
As

cheers

saveenergy
Reply to  michel
October 25, 2020 1:50 am

michel,
we’re not running out of critical care beds, More than 6,000 new beds have been set up in 19 Welsh field hospitals (Nightingales) costing ~ £165Milion ;
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-52752976
The biggest (2,000 bed) ‘Dragon’s Heart Hospital’ at the Millennium Stadium Cardiff treated a max of 46 patients opened in April 2020 closed June 2020 dismantled Sept 2020
We do have a shortage of critical care nurses – https://www.hsj.co.uk/exclusive-intensive-care-staffing-ratios-dramatically-diluted/7027214.article

Medic1532
Reply to  saveenergy
October 25, 2020 9:43 am

Same here in Washington state, I work as a critical care nurse and am putting in 72hrs per week, every week, for the last 2 months.

Armin
Reply to  saveenergy
October 26, 2020 9:12 pm

The truth is somewhere in the middle. While it is true that beds alone are not the solution, the shortage of nurses is also in part a bureaucratic issue.

The problem with covid and beds has never been that these patients require such intensive continues care, but that unlike most other care, it is so long. European hospitals discovered long ago that you can plan very well for the amount of beds, and send people home after a few days. That is cheaper and the patient itself often also prefers staying at home.

But covid patients require much longer continuous care. It is not critical, as the patient is typically stable, be it in bad condition, but is taking up these beds for much longer times than other care. European healthcare systems often had much much lower beds per capital ratios than e.g. the US. Exceptions are Germany even though even they don’t get close to US numbers. The primary reason Europeans saw overruns, and the US never came even close to overruns other than in local spots (where often stuff wasn’t that great before either in terms of capacity and PPE/equipment – e.g. NY) was this. Cynically the US concept of having surplus beds, because bed-cost is expensive enough to leave capacity unfilled, typically leads to waste and drives cost up, but was a savior with covid.

WA state, where I live, never even came close to reaching normal max capacity, let alone surge capacity or the emergency capacity they could have added (and did in a few places) through the military, hotels, etc. They also got away by having the critical care nurses work double shifts, and not using the other schooled nurses. In fact WA state actually send many medical personnel including nurses home or reduced shifts in early covid, because the other care was low in demand.

If push comes to shove, in Wales you don’t need highly specialized nurses to care for covid patients as most care is fairly basic. Several other countries did manage to get other medical personnel to fill in without much issues. But existing healthcare rules, financing etc often prevent this.

Note that the article you quoted was from March. If today Wales is not better prepared, that is criminally negligent. Also I still feel we have less cares today then we had in March. Then we tested not even everybody with symptoms, now we test the same non-symptomatic people multiple times. Also we learned putting everybody on a ventilator is not just unneeded and wastes critical personnel and equipment, but actually can kill covid patients.

MrGrimNasty
Reply to  michel
October 25, 2020 3:04 am

2 weeks won’t make any difference to anything, and it won’t even be possible to see if it is. It took up to 5/7 weeks after lockdown in some areas for the exponential growth to stop last time.

The problem is aggregation of data hides the fact it is not a single outbreak, but many outbreaks all at different stages. If you look at a smaller level it is clear that the exponential growth comes under spontaneous control and rapid decline without intervention – that is nature and why the human race still exists. Even as some large metropolitan areas were going into tier 3, the virus was already declining in some districts within.

All the interventions are doing, if anything, is disrupting the natural progress including the natural burn out, deferring, increasing the likelihood of a resurgence as with time as people move around and social contacts change etc.

The daftest thing of all is that lockdowns are a self-perpetuating trap. They are not a solution to anything. Appear to work or not, they are pointless.

There is no prospect of NHS resources being overwhelmed with all the Nightingale provision, that is one of the craziest things politicians keep saying. There is time to organize and prevent it – as we’ve already seen.

saveenergy
Reply to  MrGrimNasty
October 25, 2020 5:07 pm

“There is no prospect of NHS resources being overwhelmed with all the Nightingale provision,”
Grim
Not true, Yes we have the (6,000) beds but no critical care nurses to man them, it takes years to train them (but our glorious leaders have cut back on training for years) , Normal CC ratio is 1 nurse/patient …even if we 1/2 that & then work the nurses at 60hrs/week you need 24×7/60x (6000/2) = 8,400 Highly qualified CC nurses…NOW !
How many do you think are sitting at home waiting for the call ???

Reply to  michel
October 25, 2020 4:24 am

A good summary.

For information. The welsh National Health Service is very badly run compared to the English NHS. It was always on the cards that Wales would find their NHS running out of resources before Englands.

Reply to  michel
October 25, 2020 5:54 am

Question one, michel. Is “infection” in this context synonymous with “positive test” because if so, stop right there. The test is picking virtually every scrap of viral debris from people who have had Covid and recovered and others with a viral ‘load’ too small to be infectious.

Question two. If “infections” is the number who have sought medical treatment we’re one step closer to an answer but how many of those infections have resulted in hospitalisations? This is the one figure that seems to be missing from the stats and it’s the only one that gives us a true guide as to how serious this so-called “second wave” actually is.

Patrick Healy
October 25, 2020 12:07 am

Btw,
That figure of 1756 deaths in Wales with Wuhan Virus is just more fake news from the lying Associated Lugen Presse.
I would be more interested if someone could quote the number of unfortunates who have died FROM this Chinese Virus.

Reply to  Patrick Healy
October 25, 2020 1:34 am

I have been informed of the death of a Client who was diagnosed with leukaemia last August and was deteriorating fast. She tested positive for Covid, probably hospital acquired, shortly before she passed away so it goes down as a Covid death.
Lots of that is going on.
This disease is still not as bad as the 1968/69 flu epidemic in which 80,000 died when the population was smaller.
It has never been sensible to try to control a respiratory illness in any human society.
This mess is a result of insane authoritarian overreach.
Sweden got it right.

Steven Mosher
Reply to  Stephen Wilde
October 25, 2020 3:19 am

“This disease is still not as bad as the 1968/69 flu epidemic in which 80,000 died when the population was smaller.”

go look for actual data on the 68 flu

none exists

references to numbers exist. multiple claims exist, but no actual data
that you can download.

Petit_Barde
Reply to  Steven Mosher
October 25, 2020 6:12 am

So data is actual only when downloadable … and I presume that in same vein, only data that can be downloaded is correct … not even funny.

Here in France, the Honk Kong flu killed 31226 people in two monthes which is equivalent to 31226 * 67 / 50.8 = 41183 deaths with respect to the actual population :

“En France, il faut attendre 2003 avec les recherches de l’épidémiologiste Antoine Flahault pour connaitre le nombre de victimes en France : 31 226 morts en deux mois”

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grippe_de_Hong_Kong#Compte_rendu_en_France

The COVID 19 deaths number between Marsh and July in France is 29836, 27% lower than in 1968 :

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/france/

Yes, this flu in France is a non event. But the lockdown and the economic, social and health disaster (due to all other causes, heart attacks, domestic violence, suicides, alcoholism, psychiatric illnesses, etc. than this flu) it caused is a clear tragedy.

Reply to  Steven Mosher
October 25, 2020 7:06 am

Which doesn’t make the figures wrong, Steven, does it. If that’s the best contribution you can make, why bother? I’ve seen reputable sources quote figures as high as 80,000 so in the absence of anything that meets your strict criteria for eligibility I’ll stick with that as a “worst case” figure, if that’s OK with you!

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Newminster
October 25, 2020 9:02 am

Mosher basically says not to trust medical models, only climate models are trustworthy.

LdB
Reply to  Newminster
October 25, 2020 11:34 pm

That is true Clyde 🙂

He is right about the flu data which is attribution statistics and if you complain about the covid19 data you should be even more dubious about the flu data.

ThinkingScientist
Reply to  Steven Mosher
October 26, 2020 3:17 am

That’s funny Mosher – I only did one google search and found peer reviewed papers showing data, written around 1969. Here’s one:

https://europepmc.org/backend/ptpmcrender.fcgi?accid=PMC2130729&blobtype=pdf

We all know the internet didn’t exist back then – it doesn’t mean data doesn’t exist. You think death certificates weren’t filled in back then or something?

TRM
Reply to  Stephen Wilde
October 25, 2020 10:38 am

Spanish 1918 = 675,000 dead / 103 million = 6550 deaths per million
Asian 1956-8 = 69,8000 dead / 178 million = 392 deaths per million
Hong Kong 1968 = 100,000 dead / 206 million = 485 deaths per million
* Wuhan 2020 ~= 170,000 dead / 331 million = 514 deaths per million

* Up to 90% of the deaths attributed to the covid-19 disease would not have been counted as an infectious disease death prior to 2020. From 2003 to 2020 the same definition was used.

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/if-covid-fatalities-were-90-2-lower-how-would-you-feel-about-schools-reopening/

Similarly the definition of “pandemic” was changed in 2008 to remove the requirement of excess deaths so after that anything fast spreading could be labelled a “pandemic”. Until those 2 definitions are changed back the “medical martial law” imposed by governments will continue.

Ben Vorlich
October 25, 2020 12:44 am

In England the scheme works like this
Our data says you’ve got too many cases of CV19 you must got into level 3
How much are you going to pay us?
X million
No we want Y million
OK (X+Y) /2
OK deal

Then Rishi prints a few more millions. A lot more businesses go bust. The economics you get when a mediocre journalist becomes PM on the back of a series of three word slogans

Paul H
Reply to  Ben Vorlich
October 25, 2020 4:14 am

Except that Wales is run by Labour, so Boris has nothing to do with it at all.

In Scotland, Sturgeon is also making a huge balls up as well. But it could be worse- we could have Macron in charge!

Patrick Healy
Reply to  Paul H
October 25, 2020 7:25 am

Paul,
One of the (many)things which tickle me, is that the Royal Mint is located in Wales (or Whales as our Germany friend above called it) in a wee place called Llantrisant. As this whole scandemic is part of the Great Reset or the New World Order, or the Green Deal, the first thing to do is destroy our money by printing barrow loads of it. I am just curious about the connection with Wales, especially as every car owners’ details are stored in Wales at the Vehicle Registration Centre.
The Welsh have us by the short and curlies.

Ben Vorlich
Reply to  Paul H
October 25, 2020 9:55 am

Paul I was talking about England, Sheffield, Nottingham and the rest negotiated cash deals before going into Tier 3

Robert of Ottawa
Reply to  Ben Vorlich
October 25, 2020 5:49 am

It was either that or the communists.

eo
October 25, 2020 1:12 am

The news have been so gloomy. The statistics is all about death from COVID-19. The extreme lock downs taken my most countries. In a number of developing countries the lock down has resulted to unplanned or unintended pregnancies as people have lost access to contraceptives and have nothing to do in their houses. UN estimated some 7 million unintended pregnancies. Here is the link
https://www.unfpa.org/press/new-unfpa-projections-predict-calamitous-impact-womens-health-covid-19-pandemic-continues
One country has some 7 thousand deaths from and with the virus but is expecting more than 2 million unintended births and pregnancies.

Chaswarnertoo
October 25, 2020 1:17 am

The hottest women in Britain, Welsh dragons.

Ed Zuiderwijk
October 25, 2020 1:38 am

Where’s William Wallace when you need him?

Redge
Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
October 25, 2020 2:00 am

Hmmm, not sure William Wallace was a supporter of the Welsh, in fact the Scottish forces over 5000 Welsh infantry at Berwick.

Now, where’s Owen Glendower when the Welsh need him?

Anthony
October 25, 2020 1:51 am

The Welsh were not and never have been Celts…..

pigs_in_space
Reply to  Anthony
October 25, 2020 10:41 am

Achyfi!
Are you completely stupid?
mae gennym ni yr unig iaith geltaidd bywiol yn y 21 ganrhif!
From someone a fluent Welsh speaker, I can tell you are a complete cretin!

However “Llywodraeth cymru” the “Welsh government” is an oxymoron.
The best advert ever for “failed in Wales”
When can we kick their asses & show tell them to go jump in the Irish sea?

Cymru am byth!
without the committees of cretins in Cardiff.

Carl Friis-Hansen
October 25, 2020 1:59 am

Whales has been doing more than twice as well as England and about as well as Sweden, but to what cost?
https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps#

You can see from the “Z-scores by country” weekly that Whales is having a downward trend very recently, whereas Sweden has had the downward trend ever since the grand peak.

The restrictions in Whales are junta style madness. Trying to get the mortality rate below base line by destroying the country and the livelihood of its people, is something I fail to understand.

Comparing to Sweden, where I live, everything is normal, except from plexiglass in front of the shop personnel in the commodity shops, but nothing changed in the majority of tool shops and the like. Oh, forgot that they also have these soap dispensers in the supermarkets. I am not sure what is in them, but I occasionally see people using them. Not sure it is good for your skin to do this all the time.

As some have pointed out: Lock down, put masks on and get a generation of traumatized children and frustrated adults.

If the late Michael Crichton had written “State Of Fear” today, he would most likely have put the Covid extremists in the same box as the climate extremists.

Meistersinger
Reply to  Carl Friis-Hansen
October 25, 2020 3:46 am

‘Whale’ is the aquatic mammal. ‘Wales’ is the country; many puns are based on this.

Tom in Florida
Reply to  Meistersinger
October 25, 2020 5:08 am

Then there was the time an American tourist was in a Cardiff pub and approached a table of hefty women. He smiled and said,”I love the way you women in England speak.” To which one of the ladies told him, “It’s Wales you idiot!” The American replied, “I’m sorry, I love the way you whales in England speak.” He was released from the hospital several weeks later.

ThinkingScientist
Reply to  Tom in Florida
October 25, 2020 10:43 am

I was once on a train in North Wales in the early 1980s and two American tourists were listening to a conversation between the train guard and customer. They were conversing in Welsh.

When they finished, the American lady tourist turned to her husband and said “Gee, is that olde English?”

Death wish or what?

Carl Friis-Hansen
Reply to  Carl Friis-Hansen
October 25, 2020 4:31 am

Sorry for W(h)ales thing.

Harry Davidson
Reply to  Carl Friis-Hansen
October 25, 2020 6:13 am

We are touchy about it. Visit any town centre in Wales in normal times and you can see why. The epidemic of FBS is far more widespread than Covid, longer lasting, more damaging to society, and kills more people.

Grant
Reply to  Carl Friis-Hansen
October 25, 2020 7:13 am

You must lock yourself down.

mikewaite
October 25, 2020 2:19 am

Now this is just my opinion , OK? But I think that much of what has been said above about the Welsh and the situation in Wales is dubious. Looking at them with a defocussed eye I have always thought that one of the main characteristics of the Welsh is not individualism but a sense of solidarity . You see this in the former generation’s commitment to the Chapel and its often repressive rules compared to England , in the Welsh valour in battle from the Welsh bowmen at Agincourt to the presnt day , to the commitment to the Labour cause and the unions , especially the miners. But this also makes them more compliant to repression from political leaders which is what we are seeing now.
The idea that the ban on buying , eg clothes (winter coming on ) is to protect the small shops is sheer nonsense.
I live in the most prosperous area of Greater Manchester . Apart from the shops in Hale that cater exclusively for footballer’s wives there are NO small clothing shops anywhere. The only place to get clothing is the local supermarket or the charity shops, or of course , Amazon. This initiative is down to one minister , Mark Drakeford. look him up on Wiki. He is a committed Marxist . He is an associate of the former extremist Corbyn and a hater of anything that involves a free market . This lockdown is intended not to protect small businesses (less likely to be Labour voters) but to destroy them.
I advise people read more on , eg lockdown sceptics for a less romantic view of the Welsh and the appalling destruction of Civil Rights that is happening there (where are the famed EU / UN civil rights regulations now).
https://lockdownsceptics.org/

Petit_Barde
October 25, 2020 2:27 am

Meanwhile, nothing special with respect to Acute Respiratory Infections (ARI) or Severe Acute Respiratory Infections (SARI) according to the WHO :
– exactly the same ARI and/or SARI progression this year as in previous years (in the countries where those indicators has been filled and sent to the WHO).

Look for instance at Belgium, Netherlands, Germany, Turkey, etc.

and compare this to the excess mortality monitoring at least in Europe here :
https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps

and to the COVID-19 “cases and deaths” here :
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

WHO influenza like illnesses historical comparison charts (with ARI and SARI when this data is entered) :
https://www.who.int/influenza/resources/charts/en/

Click on chapter link :
“Comparison of current surveillance data with historic data by country”.

URL :
https://app.powerbi.com/view?r=eyJrIjoiMTEyZmM0NGItNjU3OS00YzgzLTgwMDYtNjQ4OWJlNjNkMGZhIiwidCI6ImY2MTBjMGI3LWJkMjQtNGIzOS04MTBiLTNkYzI4MGFmYjU5MCIsImMiOjh9

BTW, in France, in the Paris region (one fifth of the France population), there were twice as many heart attacks during lockdown than usual :
https://presse.inserm.fr/le-nombre-darrets-cardiaques-a-double-pendant-le-confinement-en-region-parisienne/39663/

We still dont have the number of suicides, due to lockdown and the economic disaster it caused but we know for sure that suicide attempts exploded during and after the lockdown :
https://pro.guidesocial.be/articles/actualites/confinement-explosion-des-appels-au-centre-de-prevention-au-suicide

https://www.lavoixdunord.fr/844926/article/2020-07-28/lille-apres-le-covid-vague-de-depressions-et-de-tentatives-de-suicide

https://www.horizonradio.fr/article-23343-vague-de-depressions-et-tentatives-de-suicide-en-metropole-lilloise.html

https://www.journaldemontreal.com/2020/06/22/le-confinement-a-la-source-dune-deuxieme-vague-mais-psychiatrique-1

etc.

And those criminal lockdownistas dare speaking of saving lifes … SHAME ON THEM.

mwhite
October 25, 2020 2:27 am

The flu season will properly take off in November

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_W4KvbcntsKU/SwQb9Gct8RI/AAAAAAAAABc/5qoIl8Zt0Ns/s320/hemisphere+and+epidemic.jpg

It’ll all be under control then!!

mwhite
October 25, 2020 2:28 am

That should have been December

View from the Solent
October 25, 2020 2:37 am

The people of Wales have got what they voted for.
Good and Hard. (h/t H L Mencken)

Peta of Newark
October 25, 2020 2:41 am
Michael Arko
October 25, 2020 2:43 am

So, you can buy groceries but not clothing. I think it won’t be long before Minister Drakeford eats his shirt.

Tom in Florida
Reply to  Michael Arko
October 25, 2020 5:10 am

Perhaps they will sell you cake.

Jimmy Haigh
October 25, 2020 3:06 am

The llunacy continues…

Sommer
Reply to  Jimmy Haigh
October 25, 2020 7:07 am
John R Walker
October 25, 2020 3:15 am

Wales is being conned by the same sort of Covid-19 bullshit as most of the rest of the world. But when you go looking for what’s really happening a completely different reality appears. Check out the official line on RT-PCR antigen testing and then the reality from NHS hospital locations in south Wales.

Dr Giri Shankar, Incident Director for the Novel Coronavirus (COVID-19) outbreak response at Public Health Wales, said:
“We are aware of misinformation circulating on social media which suggests that testing for COVID-19 generates a positive result for flu or common cold viruses.
“This is completely incorrect.
“The swab (PCR, antigen) test for COVID-19 has been specifically developed to detect the presence of the SARS-CoV-2 virus – also known as COVID-19 – and has a proven accuracy rate of 99.91%.
“We would remind everyone to ensure that they are getting their information from established, trusted organisations: Public Health Wales, Welsh Government, and NHS Wales, and not to share anything from unverified sources.”

If the RT-PCR antigen test ‘has a proven accuracy rate of 99.91%’, perhaps in the lab in vitro with reference standard materials, perhaps he can explain these SARS-CoV-2 antigen test results, and their conclusions, from Cardiff and Swansea NHS sources reported in the BMJ at the end of July? I quite like their conclusions…

https://www.bmj.com/content/369/bmj.m1808/rr-22

Out of 31 tests they got false positives, false negatives, probable hits on residual RNA from previously infected people, they put off operations due to false positives … and they weren’t even going up to the Ct45 recommended amplification in the UK. They were hitting problems with Ct as low as 35 which is arguably too high anyway.

The RT-PCR antigen test which is currently responsible for disrupting the world is unfit for purpose (many good explanations available) and the political responses to it are equally invalid. What is happening here and now in Wales with arbitrary decisions being made by the Welsh ‘government’ about what is, and what isn’t, essential goods appears to conflict with basic Health & Safety. E.g. phone chargers are not essential – so how do people with a dead mobile phone for an ambulance? I haven’t had a landline for 2 years and I’m just one of many… Clothing is apparently not essential – I guess hypothermia can’t hppen in one of the coldest wettest windiest parts of the UK in late October and November? ‘Cos the braindead Welsh ‘government’ says so…

People are a bit cross – the response to this petition is probably a record and if anybody else wants to register their protest please feel free!

Allow supermarkets to sell “non-essential” items during lockdown

https://petitions.senedd.wales/petitions/244282

The petition accepts international responses and, quite frankly, we need all the help we can get!

B d Clark
October 25, 2020 3:20 am

I live in wales. During the spring lockdown English tourists escaping to wales were fined and sent home, the ones who escaped to thier holiday homes were ridiculed with mainly rural area politicians calling for a ban on holiday homes, double the council tax for holiday homes, ect ect, thier was open racism within local communities, signs telling the english to f- – – of home. Such was hate stirred up within Wales.

To understand the fuller picture drakeford is a hard left leader of the welsh majority in the welsh parliament..hes called the FM first minister.

What seems to be for political reasons the welsh administration have taken opposing views to the uk government, from not making face masks compulsive in the first LD when england did, to now making them compulsive. Even changing the english name from circuit breaker to fire break. In the current lockdown.

I’m not surprised the english police are stopping the welsh at the none border, firstly many who will be stopped will be english not just welsh . It looks like who ever is crossing this in name only border are victims of the political games between Wales and england having little to do with the transmission of kungflu.

The southern end of wales were most people live has never really come out of lockdown eg travel restricted to the county you live in, the rule of six, compulsive mask wearing. Another political agenda being imposed on the people is a campaign of posters through out south wales announcing “THE GREAT RESET”

The only stirring of the welsh people against these draconian measures, is against the ban on supermarkets selling none essential items, which include bedding and socks, kettles, ect ect. The banning does not stop people buying online, which defeats the object of protecting sales to local shops when the lockdown lifts.

The welsh government will also be holding a interactive climate change debate virtually, between the 2nd and 6th November. To pursue thier none consensus climate agenda. Drakeford and his government have also publicly had arguments with trump over covid. Such is the state of play in wales at the moment.

Harry Davidson
October 25, 2020 3:55 am

May I put this in political context? The Blair Labour government set up the referendum on Welsh devolution and we had constant propaganda in favour of Yes from both the government and the BBC. Even so it passed by a whisker, and with strong suspicions of corruption in the vote.

The Welsh Assembly was designed to ensure a Labour control, which so far has been successful, however the Labour vote is in long term decline and given the inexorable trend since devolution they won’t last. Labour in Wales is deeply vulnerable to a new energetic party that manages to connect with the people. The only people ignoring this are the Labour Party in Wales. Labour in Westminster are deeply concerned because it is likely to cost them several seats. But Labour in Wales …

The First Minister started with Alan Michael who was a slick politician, moved on to Rhodri Morgan who I never liked but had an excellent CV and was without doubt very clever. Then Carwyn Jones a Labour trooper who got to the top on Buggin’s turn, solid but lacking imagination. Now we have Mark Drakeford – Corbyn in Wales – more Buggin’s turn. Disconnected, idealogically bigoted, bereft of imagination and not terribly bright. No experience of anything outside academia and social services, and won’t listen to anyone who has. The fact that he became a full Professor beggars belief, but … Labour in Wales.

B d Clark
October 25, 2020 4:11 am

The welsh government are also predicting another lockdown in Jan Feb , my feelings on this are you cant predict what a disease will be doing in 3 to 4 months time, this is more about the reset than kungflu , we will be allowed a little freedom over december ( or might be) because we all know the kungflu will hold a truce over Christmas.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-54681885

Probably the most worrying aspect of lockdown is the thousands of letters sent out just before the current lockdown by the NHS advising folk routine surgery ,cancer scans, ect have been cancelled, I have one of these letters, yet the welsh government in thier wisdom have closed down some of the extra capacity in the form of florence nightingale field hospitals, which is a contradiction to why our appointments have been cancelled.

Harry Davidson
Reply to  B d Clark
October 25, 2020 5:59 am

I picked this up from Breitbart:
‘The Law Society of England and Wales, on 23rd October 2020 said
“Lockdown enforcement powers resume in Wales.
The Law Society of England and Wales is keen to make people aware of the powers that enforcement officers have during the ‘fire-break.’
Enforcement officers are police constables, police community support officers and anyone designated as such by Welsh Ministers or a local authority.
They will have the power to enter homes and other premises if they have reasonable grounds for suspecting that the lockdown restrictions are being contravened or are about to be contravened, or consider it necessary to enter to find out whether restrictions are being contravened.
The enforcement officers may use reasonable force while exercising their power and can also take other people, equipment and materials into homes if they think it is necessary.
Enforcement officers appointed by local authorities only have the power to enter non-domestic properties”.

David Greene, president of the Law Society of England and Wales, said:
“These are extraordinary powers and it is important that the public are fully informed about them so that they don’t fall foul of them inadvertently. It is vital that laws of this nature are both visible and understandable”.

These powers clearly contravene decisions of the ECHR and yet not a single voice has been raised against them in Wales, or anywhere else. What an incredibly dangerous precedent.’

Dyed in thew wool authoritarians like Drakeford are in seventh heaven with Covid.

B d Clark
Reply to  Harry Davidson
October 25, 2020 6:31 am

Yes I did read this, what this article missed is the welsh government gave itself powers to inact new legislation
Within hours of dreaming it up. Essentially they have given themselves powers that avoid scrutiny and consensus.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-54572538

And next week I’m betting they will use the above to bring in climate legislation

bonbon
October 25, 2020 4:49 am

Sounds very much like Common Purpose at work.

Rod Evans
October 25, 2020 5:11 am

The question is often asked here in the UK, if our situation would have been any worse any more Draconian if Labour (socialists) had won the last election back in 2019.
Well, now we all have the answer to that question, because Wales has a Labour administration and what Draconian Drakeford Welsh First Minister (Lab) has demanded of the Principality, is what Labour would have done and demanded nation wid. We are grateful they had did not win the chance to do it.
Their primary driver of Labour, seems to be the destruction of capitalism.
That Labour desire enforced by police, in Wales and along the borders with Wales, is a disgrace and we have to start refusing to cooperate.
WE did not vote for a totalitarian state back in December 2019.

John K. Sutherland.
October 25, 2020 5:35 am

Covid cases, are NOT covid deaths. Look after the old folk, and those with serious health problems and it’s practically a ‘non-disease’ to everyone else, but try telling that to politicians and other assorted idiots.

theguvnor
October 25, 2020 5:55 am

‘I suspect if anyone in Britain finally gives the finger to the lockdown fascists, it will be the Welsh. One provocation too many will be all it takes.’ You were right!
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/supermarket-coronavirus-covid-fire-break-19159487

Mike From Au
October 25, 2020 5:55 am

In the past, when the Spanish Flu struck, one could make an subjective approximation of quarantine borders by comparing those borders and geographical shapes to Cubism. In this era, in this metaphor, it was a time of ‘Quarantine Cubism’.

There were no Teslas or high speed jets, and people mainly stayed in their home town and so the quarantine was in a golden age. In quarantine Cubism, the borders are well defined and the different shapes and colors do not leak into other areas of the canvas. Neat.

Neat borders, and well defined shapes make planning a quarantine in my subjective artistic metaphor a piece of cake.
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Today, with travel and high speed jets, and Teslas driving around everywhere the borders are more akin to a Jackson Pollock painting, and this is precisely why modern day quarantine cannot, and will not work for any long term purpose. Have a look at a Jackson pollock painting and marvel/behold how not even the best contact tracing and Ai cameras can unravel it. The virus in our modern world is all over the canvas in seconds like a Jackson Pollock.
https://www.jackson-pollock.org/number-5.jsp

It is probably worth imagining that as early as December 2019 last year, the virus was already metaphorically a Jackson Pollock painting on steroids. On an imaginative subjective metaphorical level, the virus had been everywhere on the global canvas as early as that, or at least that is what i imagine in this artistic metaphor, subjective representation.

Sara
October 25, 2020 5:57 am

So someone got their britches in a bunch because COVID!!!!! and is trying to spook people all over again?

No clothes buying? Well, what if the washing machine beats your tee shirts to pieces and you need new ones? Just wear the holey shirts and flog yourself while hollering “Bring out yer dead! Bring out yer dead!”

Well, you try turning people into toads, just for gits and shiggles, but that’s what I’d do. That, and get out the Cornish cookbooks, because figgy hobbin is easy to make and tasty, and…. but my distant forbears came from Scotland and Cornwall, so I can watch on the sidelines. There’s a secondary go-round starting up here in My Kingdom, so I”m on the sidelines watching and waiting.

How can anyone have nothing to do? I”m so cotton pickin’ busy all the time that I can barely get the laundry done, never mind anything else. Maybe some of those idle souls could come clean my house for me?

Gregory Wrightstone
October 25, 2020 6:35 am

Yes, but the weather is lovely

Tom Abbott
October 25, 2020 7:21 am

From the article: “to slow a surging rate of coronavirus infections”

So why is the number of Wuhan virus infections surging right now?

The explanation given for a surge this time of year is that the weather gets colder so people crowd together inside at a greater rate that enhances the chances of getting infected.

That makes sense, but in the United States the Wuhan virus has been surging for weeks now and when it started the weather was warm all over the United States and has only gotten colder here in the last couple of weeks and that is only affecting the northern sections of the nation, while the south is still warm, yet the Wuhan virus number of cases is surging.

Do we have a mutated strain that is more infectious?

The good news is the death rate is way down as we learn how to treat the disease.

MarkG
Reply to  Tom Abbott
October 25, 2020 6:13 pm

It seems to largely dispel the theory that the virus is airborne in droplets, as it should be much harder to spread in hot, humid weather.

If I remember correctly SARS could also be spread by poop, so it’s quite possible that’s actually the major way in which this spreads.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  MarkG
October 26, 2020 4:23 am

I read a little bit about this and the only things mentioned to increase the infectiousness were colder weather, and it was said that the Wuhan virus can survive longer on surfaces when it is colder.

The colder weather doesn’t seem to be the answer for this surge. For example, El Paso, Texas is warm and has been warm and they are imposing a curfew down there today because of the extent of the outbreak.

And you are correct about it may be spread by fecal matter. I read a story the other day about a person who was infected and then tested negative, but when he was tested for the Wuhan virus in his stomach, it was present 30 days after he had tested negative. It seems some people only experience gastro-intestinal effects from the Wuhan virus and never have respiratory effects.

The Wuhan virus is a complicated disease.

Marilyn Reed
October 25, 2020 7:36 am

I think it was Wales that had the University with quarantining students who were told to hold back a few minutes if there was a fire drill in their dorms so that the kids who weren’t quarantining wouldn’t be so closely exposed to them.

saveenergy
Reply to  Marilyn Reed
October 25, 2020 5:38 pm

No, it was York University

griff
October 25, 2020 7:40 am

Well I’m pleased you liked it, Eric, but somehow we seem to have given you a strange view of the place… but then we have a long tradition of winding up impressionable foreigners.

Cam_S
October 25, 2020 8:35 am

From the Daily Mail…
Draconian lockdowns do not work.
——————————————————

Stay-at-home orders do NOT stop the spread of coronavirus:
Major study finds restrictions barely change the R rate because people don’t obey the draconian rules
Researchers examined a number of individual restrictions used to slow Covid-19
They looked at a combination of different measures for the best possible option
They found a ‘near lockdown’ with school closures would cut the R rate in half
The best individual option for reducing the R rate is a ban on all public events

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-8868923/Lockdown-slashes-coronavirus-R-rate-half-month-study-shows.html

ResourceGuy
October 25, 2020 9:15 am

Here’s a basic question in a world closed to questioning. Where is the virus spreading as in venues, offices, non-store gatherings, and families? Was it really a problem in isle 7 nonessential items of the grocery store?

In the USA we have HIPPA laws and employers to heavily cloak the Q&A.

LdB
Reply to  ResourceGuy
October 25, 2020 11:58 pm

Where the virus is spreading varies from country to country, there is no one answer because it is dependent on movement.

Rob_Dawg
October 25, 2020 9:18 am

> instead of allowing those shops to remain open, to ban larger retailers from selling ‘non-essentials’ entirely.

The powers did this in California with nary a bleat from the sheeple.

Tim Bidie
October 25, 2020 11:12 am

There are any number of commercial PCR tests, all of which recommend a cycle threshold of around 35, above which useful detection of infection is highly unlikely.

National Health Service Standard Operating Procedures stipulate a cycle threshold of 40.

But the one number they cannot fool is the Office of National statistics overall all cause mortality number, plumb normal since the end of May:

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/weeklyprovisionalfiguresondeathsregisteredinenglandandwales

The anger is palpably building…….

Paul, Somerset
October 25, 2020 11:16 am

Fighting back in Wales. A hero swings into action.
https://twitter.com/JackieGoode5/status/1319963010870484993

Lurker Pete
Reply to  Paul, Somerset
October 25, 2020 4:35 pm

My favorite act of rebellion was the guy who tried to go shopping at Tesco in his underwear.. “aparently clothes are not essential” LOL

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/man-visits-tesco-just-underpants-22900725

Oh and Eric… “I suspect if anyone in Britain finally gives the finger to the lockdown fascists, it will be the Welsh.”

The Scousers beat them to it, after a big publicity campaign surrounding the closure of Gyms in Liverpool, and several owners refusing to close, the gov u-turned allowing them to stay open

Greg
October 25, 2020 12:44 pm

Since when was clothing not essential in Britain during autumn and winter ??!

The aim seems to be getting the population used to stupid and arbitrary rules being imposed.

Mike From Au
Reply to  Greg
October 25, 2020 1:22 pm

Ahh yes. ‘Grooming’.

Craig from Oz
October 25, 2020 7:23 pm

(Spoiler – this post will not mention China’s Gift to the West)

So back about 10 years I was in Cardiff during a nice sunny period in July. On holidays I was doing the tourist thing and had spent the best part of the day exploring Cardiff Castle and the like, so by late afternoon I was tired and wanted a break.

And by break I mean Pint.

So next pub I come to I turn into. I go to the bar, get my pint from a polite and well groomed guy in his twenties, and go sit down at a table on one of the very comfortable leather chairs.

Drink some pint.

Oddly, to me at least, all the TV screens seemed to be playing music channels. No sports. That was a bit weird. So, now slightly suspicious, I look around the room at the other punters. Hmmm… well groomed young male bartenders, distinct lack of women, a same sex couple casually making out in the dark corner booth, glam rock style music AND most importantly, NO LIVE SPORTS on the telly.

So clearly I wasn’t going to be able to get any cricket highlights in this gay bar, so once I had finished my pint 15 minutes later I politely left.

And now… 10 years too late, I finally get this advice;

“The first time you visit a pub in Cardiff, you pick a fight with someone, after that nobody gives you any trouble.”

I feel so embarrassed. Hope I didn’t offend any of our Welsh friends with my massive social error.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Craig from Oz
October 26, 2020 12:07 am

Sounds like Glasgow on a quiet night.

October 27, 2020 5:12 am

Had all this in Spain, didn’t stop the virus. Did kill small businesses. Did make Spanish GDP fall 22%, more than the Civil war. Did make suicide rates skyrocket.

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