Wired: “Anthony Fauci Explains Why the US Still Hasn’t Beaten Covid”

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

According to Anthony Fauci, the USA has not beaten Covid-19 because the USA didn’t lock down hard enough.

Anthony Fauci Explains Why the US Still Hasn’t Beaten Covid

The director of NIAID talks about vaccines, school reopenings, hostility toward science, and the lessons we’ll learn when (yes, when) we recover.

If baseball can’t go on, what about schools?

It’s a much more complicated situation with the schools, and I can’t give you a yes or no answer. As a broad principle, we should try as best as we possibly can to get the kids to return to school, because of the negative unintended consequences of keeping the kids out of school, like the psychological health of the children, the nutrition of kids who get breakfast or lunch at school, to working parents who may not be able to adjust their schedules. So the default position is to try.

However, while you do that, the one thing that you have to underscore—and that’s a big however—is that paramount among this has to be the safety and welfare of the children, of their teachers, and secondarily, of the families of the children. So there has to be some degree of flexibility.

Why do you think the US has done so poorly in suppressing this pandemic compared with other rich countries?

It isn’t just one single factor. Let me give you one or two that I think are important. First of all, other countries, certainly Asian countries, and certainly the European Union, when they so-called locked down—shut down, shelter in place, whatever you want to call it—they did it to about 95 percent of their countries. So they did it in full force. Some countries got hit badly, but once they locked down and turned things around, they came down to a very low baseline—down to tens or hundreds of new cases a day, not thousands. They came down and they stayed down.

Now, in the United States, when we shut down, even though it was a stress and a strain for a lot of people, we only did it to the tune of about 50 percent of the country shutting down. Our curve goes up and starts to come down. But we never came down to a reasonable baseline. We came down to about 20,000 new infections per day, and we stayed at that level for several weeks in a row. Then we started to open up—getting America “back to normal”—and started to see the cases go from 20,000 a day to 30,000, 40,000. We even hit that one point last week of 70,000 new cases a day.

Read more: https://www.wired.com/story/anthony-fauci-explains-why-the-us-still-hasnt-beaten-covid/

Hindsight is a wonderful thing. I’m personally a fan of lockdowns, but they are not a panacea.

When President Trump closed the border to China at the start of February, against the advice of the WHO, Joe Biden accused Trump of “Xenophobia”. Nations including the USA are still struggling to find the right balance between economically damaging lockdowns and letting the disease run its course.

Before anyone sneers at worrying about “economic damage” when lives are at risk, the kind of economic damage I’m talking about is the risk of disrupting the food supply chain. Running out of food would kill far more people than Covid-19.

And there is significant evidence lockdowns don’t have a lasting impact – as Europe reaches the limit of their economic lockdown endurance, early evidence is cases are surging. Even hard lockdown Australia is struggling with a surge of cases in the high population density Victoria.

There is no doubt in my mind the Chinese government could have stopped the outbreak in its tracks, if they had thought about other people rather than their own selfish short term interests. But we cannot undo what has been done.

I don’t know the right answer, the right balance between lockdowns and economic activity, and I doubt anyone else does either. What we need to do is continue doing what we are already doing – do our very best to chart a course through the difficulties we all face.

298 thoughts on “Wired: “Anthony Fauci Explains Why the US Still Hasn’t Beaten Covid”

  1. Lockdowns don’t work for the flu.

    There’s no evidence anywhere that they have worked. You have tests that aren’t even remotely reliable, and you have a list of symptoms that includes nearly everything under the sun.

    You’re going to get this virus. It will kill some of us. It will permanently harm others. It will have no effect on a huge portion of people.

    And our technology is practically useless against it.

    Deal with it, spoiled brats. No amount of stamping feet and shouting will stop it.

    • I have to agree. Much is not elaborated on the types of said cases. Much amusement is put into displaying the number of cases on a daily basis without any further details.

      And now, they are turning citizen against citizen which, by the way, was their initial intent in their march toward the One World Order Agenda.

      One question I have: Among those who are contaminated and those who died, how many of them were mask-wearers?

      • Do you honestly believe that mask wearing is going to protect you/b> from a 100nm virus??? – N95 refers to the filtering efficiency – 95% of 300nm particles removed. NOT 100% and NOT 100nm viruses.
        The mask is to protect others from your virus laden expulsions. Some of the virus globs are trapped and the velocity of your expulsion is much reduced limiting the spread. This is easy to understand. You wear a mask for others not yourself!
        #The correct surgical mask is usually attached to your face using double sided tape and foam strips to ensure airtight seal round the mask. no air in or out unless through the filter. Have you not seen Drs and Nurses faces as they come off duty? their faces are visibly marked by the safety equipment. Those dealing with ICU cases should wear a complete suite with air filtration pack for protection.

        A mask may stop some of the viruses you breathe so may reduce the virus load you get but they in general do not protect you. Nor can they make the virus load you receive from others worse!!!

        N95 mask spec 3m
        This respirator helps protect against certain
        particulate contaminants but does not eliminate
        exposure to or the risk of contracting any disease
        or infection.

        cdc standard
        https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/npptl/topics/respirators/pt84abs2.html

        • Actually, I can believe that the “chain link fence” can stop the “speck of dirt” from getting through because the speck is on the fur of a rabbit. Problem is, there are gaps in that fence and the rabbits are coming and going.

          You go to the food market and you see all manners of styles of mask wearing — below the nose, around the chin, and so on. I also think it offers a false sense of security that people get lax about keeping their distance, but getting people to understand those X’s on the floor marking distancing in a checkout line is also a stretch.

          Are members of the general public who haven’t had any specific training that good about “following protocol”? And how often to you need to clean the cloth kind, dispose of the throwaway kind of mask? Any data or studies on any of that?

          • Mask wearing has been made mandatory in stores in France; and also outside in a lot of French towns (by mayors) or départements (by préfets).

            Today the revoltingly obedient media went on another pro mask PR routine by asking random people how much they support mask mandates (they do, a lot).

            People without masks said they supported mandating mask wearing in the street.

            One food seller (in open market) said that mandating mask wearing made his life simpler, not having to deal with customers wearing masks confronting those not wearing masks (which proves there are people that won’t wear masks at least in open air – but these people are never found by journalists?). He said that while properly wearing a mask for the journalist. Ten seconds before, we saw him not properly wearing a mask – while cooking food!

    • Snowflake think they have control over thing they don’t. When they are told that they riot, when they hear anything they don’t like they call you a racist and riot. It about time the world learn a virus will do what it will do and they is not much we can do about it, lockdowns only delay what going to happen and may cause more people to die, it a lose, lose. The smart people know that, to bad the smart people are not in control.

      • Does that moron really believe we can lock down and hide from this virus? If he does he certainly isn’t the right guy for the job at hand.

        He is the one that explained that lock down, for 2 to 3 weeks, was intended to flatten the curve so as not to overwhelm the hospitals. It was never the expectation that we could avoid anyone getting the ‘rona. It lies in wait until we hold forth so you need to get it and get over it. The medial is reporting contraction of COVID as if it was a death sentence. Complete and utter propaganda.

        Fauci comes across as a complete idiot, not just not Smart People. He is placating the Central Government Authoritarians for fame and future fortune, Keep them locked down and we will let you throw out the first pitch on opening day. Well we will let you try to throw anyway despite what you call that thing you do.

        Not once has he behaved like a medical professional. Instead he behaves like a boot licking bureaucrat protecting his job. and when those on the front line speak out with the truth, they are silenced by Google, facebook, You Tube and the rest of the Propaganda Press.

    • No country on Earth has ‘beaten’ the chinese virus. Fauxi speaks out of both sides of his mouth, trying to sound knowledgeable while covering his nether regions, only to succeed in further degrading his own credibility. Fauxi casts about like a viral weather vane turning in the variable winds of chinese virus epidemia.

      • That is the full truth. Fauci should have been forced to retire (or fired) a long time ago. Fauci has a history of trying to create hysteria about disease (for example, Fauci was riled up about heterosexual AIDS, and wanted to find a vaccine, which never materialized). His background is in medical research and immunology, a far cry from those who have expertise in epidemiology around the world. Those epidemiologists as well as clinical Medical practitioners have said that lockdowns will not work against this. Fauci is playing politics with this situation, and he should not be allowed to stoke an atmosphere anymore.

        • Putting Fauci in charge shows Trump does not hire the best. Not only was Fauci wrong on AIDS, but he also projected 1 million Africans would die of Ebola. He also provided wild projections for Bird Flu and Swine Flu. His entire resume is a list of failures, but after 56 years since graduating from med school, he is finally enjoying the fame he has always sought.

          • To head a large organisation dependent on governments largesse, you require the skills of a politician rather than be an expert on whatever it is that organisation is supposed to be about. People like Fauci are first and foremost politicians.

          • I think the ecosystem of institutions makes you hire very bad people – if you are good leader. It’s just good policy; otherwise you have zero control and fight MSM and “the Resistance”.

          • Do you really think Trump could have can Fauci after thing blew up, if you do you are not very bright.

          • Quote” Putting Fauci in charge shows Trump does not hire the best” Unquote
            No he hires likewise and equally dump people. To him the best is only himself, being a narcist and egocentric.

            Maybe you should quote how many times Trump was wrong; inject bleach, shine UV light inside people, it will go away, we are dong best of the whole world etc.

            The US is doing worse off all Third World countries, wake up guys…..

          • Actually he is correct about using disinfectants and UV light inside people, it has been done for years now. Easy to find on the internet, your laziness kept you ignorant.

            Actually America is doing better than at least 8 countries on the inflated China Virus deaths rate.

            YOU should wake up and do research!

          • Anthony Stephen Fauci ( /ˈfaʊtʃi/; born December 24, 1940) is an American physician and immunologist who has served as the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) since 1984. — Wiki
            He has been in place since (drumroll) 1984.
            Trump does not understand immunology. Not a bit of it. He has to trust experts. He did not “hire” Fauci. He has been in place a long time. No prior president “hired” nor “fired” him. Not Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama nor Trump.

          • There was prediction 2 months ago that Sweden would have 5-6000 deaths from COVID19. It’s near 6000 and one death in a week. 40 in a serious or critical condition. They could have done better to protect the elderly early on but have it under control with no mandatory lock downs or masks.

            Lockdowns can’t work forever as a few asymptomatic spreaders will cause a spike one day.

    • Nobel-laureate Dr. Michael Levitt (Chemistry and structural biology at Stanford)

      May 04, 2020: “If Sweden stops at about 5,000 or 6,000 deaths, we will know that they’ve reached herd immunity, and we didn’t need to do any kind of lockdown.”
      https://www.stanforddaily.com/2020/05/04/qa-nobel-laureate-says-covid-19-curve-could-be-naturally-self-flattening/

      July 27, 2020: As of July 24, 2020 Sweden has 5,700 deaths
      https://www.statista.com/statistics/1105753/cumulative-coronavirus-deaths-in-sweden/

      • Levitt, Ioannidis, Wittkowski, Wodarg, Bhakdi, etc were all correct back as far as March. Had we followed their advice we would be no worse off than we are now.

      • And Dr. Michael Levitt has made another prediction on July 25, 2020:

        “US COVID19 will be done in 4 weeks [Aug 25] with total reported deaths below 170,000. How will we know it is over? Like for Europe, when all cause excess deaths are at normal level for week. Reported COVID19 deaths may continue after 25 Aug. & reported cases will, but it will be over.

        So what scare story will they milk to force everyone to take a vaccine for a virus that is no longer in circulation?

        • What they will do is focus on cases – ramp up testing to find more cases, ignore the decreasing deaths. And that’s what is happening now.

    • Yup.

      Everybody needs to put on their “big person” pants and deal with this like a mature adult would instead if trying clamoring for the government to make us all safe before we will leave our basements.

      Life is full of risks. Take reasonsble measures, be informed and don’t get your intestines in a bind when somebody else doesn’t want to be locked up as if they lived in half-way houses.

      And Giaia’s sake, be open of facts that contradict your biased beliefs.

      • The Greatest Generation went out against far longer odds of survival to save all our asses in WW2, “The Big One.”

        If we’d used the logic of this pandemic, we would have stayed home so as not to anger the Japanese and Germans and make them more angry at us for resisting.

        • Reality. More American workers on the home front died from accidents at work than were KIA during the period the US was a combatant in WW II.

          • Source?
            Combat 416,800
            Combat + Accidents 418,500

            US civilian deaths at home greater than 418,500?

            How many tried to duck civilian at-home jobs because of fear of death versus those who tried to duck combat abroad?

        • Funny thing, I lived through the 1968 flu pandemic, should have been old enough to remember it, but I don’t remember a thing. That must be because nobody made a fuss about it.

          • Vincent, there was no instant news in your face 24/7 back then. That’s why you don’t remember it.

          • Vincent,
            I did, too. A friend remembers – she was ‘quarantined’ with her first-born.
            But i have no memory of it .
            Certainly no shut down

            Auto

      • OK. I’ll bite. Typical flu is seasonal and infection rates drop drastically with warmer weather. IOW, if you survive the season without getting flu, you’re safe until next season. Not true with COVID-19.

        Not sure about too much else, except that the data quality worldwide is horrible; it’s clear different countries are using different classification and reporting standards. And there is variation between regions and municipal areas within countries. You can’t make comparisons and look for interesting commonalities and differences without consistent data. AFAICT, we don’t have anything close to that.

        I’d say the whole world flubbed global response to this pandemic, even though some countries appear to have fared much better than others. By this time we should know why, at least in broad outlines.

        It’s sort of like the lead up to WWII — you can find a lot of idiots, but damned few sensible people in charge anywhere.

        • “Not sure about too much else, except that the data quality worldwide is horrible” – LOL. Ain’t that the truth.

          Yoram Lass (former director-general of Israel’s Ministry of Health) gave an interview and said the following:

          https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/05/22/nothing-can-justify-this-destruction-of-peoples-lives/

          “Mortality due to coronavirus is a fake number”
          and
          “The only real number is the total number of deaths – all causes of death, not just coronavirus”

          A bunch of us had discussed how to get accurate statistics and had come to that same conclusion 2-3 weeks earlier. I decided to take a look at the numbers myself so I downloaded the data from the CDC and wrote a script to parse out the data.

          Year To Date(2020): The “excess death” rate about 10.5% (143,3230) higher than the previous 4 year average for weeks 1 to 26. To put that in perspective the 2017-18 influenza peaked at just over 7% so this is similar to the Asian & Hong Kong flu of the late 50’s & 60’s.

          Month By Month: Using the data downloaded on 2020-07-20 from the CDC I ran it for each month. Here is your latest “total/excess” deaths. As you can see it peaked in April and has been going down since. Any bets on July? “I’ll take down again for $500 Alex”.

          Some states of interest and entire USA for January to June:

          CDC Area: Jan Feb Mar Apr May June
          NY State: -0.7; 1.7; 8.5; 95.1; 29.9; 28.9
          NY City: -2.1; -0.8; 50.7; 442.7; 60.1; 58.5
          Texas: 0.4; 3.1; 5.7; 12.7; 13.1; 10.1
          Georgia: 1.0; 5.3; 5.2; 22.5; 17.1; 7.5
          Florida: 2.7; 2.9; 6.0; 12.0; 11.4; 10.5
          California: -1.1 2.1; 3.5; 16.1; 13.7; 11.9
          USA: -0.2; 1.4; 5.2; 36.2; 18.4; 11.6

          Script, data, spreadsheet & methods are available at:
          https://www.dropbox.com/sh/fh9x5fngmfbeiiu/AAAH-OtOMqiY_R9qqG6YccCRa?dl=0

          Conclusion: It is real. It peaked in April and has been downhill ever since.

          • The other thing I note about that chart is that there were NO excess deaths at all, until right at the end of March, i.e. right about the time the lockdown started. After that there were quite a lot, and now, back down to normal baseline. Were those because of Covid, or because of the lockdown?

          • “simonmcc August 1, 2020 at 4:47 am: For those who are time poor, we present this page”

            Are you saying I have too much time on my hands? LOL. Well I do and I like digging through data.

            I’ll start referencing the CDC page as it is “official” but I’m going to still keep doing mine up for kicks and giggles. Not that I don’t trust “the authorities” but I subscribe to the old saying “Trust But Verify”. Trust is rightly in short supply these days so I’ll go straight to verify.

            By the way the page from the CDC that I was using to download data is offline so I had to find some new official data. Found it but it’s in a slightly different format so I’ll have to make some adjustments to my script. More fun for me 🙂

            If anyone is interested in it here is the data for 2019-20:
            https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Weekly-Counts-of-Deaths-by-State-and-Select-Causes/muzy-jte6/data
            and here is the data for 2014-18:
            https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Weekly-Counts-of-Deaths-by-State-and-Select-Causes/3yf8-kanr

            “simonmcc August 1, 2020 at 4:47 am: As they say in the investment world: “Past performance is no guarantee of future results”.”

            Very true but at least Professsor Levitt was correct whereas the governments seem intent on doubling down on the “experts” who were wrong.

    • I agree. We are 71 & 81. Out for a 25+ mile bicycle ride today in the sunshine, and fresh air, with a stop for lunch, a nap on return home and a couple of glasses of wine this evening. Life is good.

      We are all going to die. What we do between that realization and the fact is the quality of our lives.

      The conspiracy of ignorance masquerades as common sense.

  2. Fauci is way out of his depth. He hasn’t a clue.
    Statists are like the man that only owns a hammer and to whom everything looks like a nail. They have never seen a problem to which more government and control is not the answer.

      • How do we know Fauci is a fool? Aside from his myriad changes in opinion, sometimes holding contrary positions simultaneously? The most striking is the fact that six months into this entire thing he acts as though nothing has changed and it’s still the middle of March. If health experts can’t admit they failed six months after getting some of the most incredibly repressive policies in Western history adopted by dozens of countries, they will never admit it. He’s a fool, and he’s arrogant. It’s a dangerous combination.

        • Fauci has been the lead guy for HIV, SARS, Ebola, and now Covid-19. What has been his go to response for all of these? Remdesivir! And it has been effective in none of these diseases. Could that be due to owning stock options in Gilead?

          • What was his part in the Wuhan research? What was his governmental role (coordination, leadership, advisory?)

            If the answer is “he had no governmental role in the research”, then the obvious follow up is … why did he have a personal role in China research?

          • My own doctor told me something to that effect, that Fauci backs those pharmas in which he is able to get a stock interest, when they are applying for approval of any new vaccines. I can’t rule out the notion that Fauci is also corrupt, either.

          • Fauci learned from the Swine Flu “fiasco”. Money was invested in a vaccine, but by the time the vaccine was ready the Swine Flu had largely disappeared. Flatten the curve is a hope to spread the length of time the virus can stay in the news to give time for a vaccine, or something touted as a vaccine, to be developed.

        • So far as I have read … Fauxci is responsible for ONE epidemiological study. ONE scholarly research project. After that? Paper pushing, chicken dinner, bureaucrat collecting a huge guaranteed salary delivered by hard working “simpletons” who are his “lessers”. Well … I guess getting a lifetime gig like that … is a sign of some kind of intelligence.

      • Well at a guess I would say Shoki is willing to admit non qualification for the task in question.

        Admitting you are outside of your skill set is always smarter than pulling rank and trying to fake it.

        Conclusion? Shoki is probably smarter.

        Next question? 🙂

      • If you accept Fauci, as leader & provider of straightforward unbiased honest information … you just might be a useful idiot.

          • Right could not his a bull in the @ss with a scoop shovel, in either pitching or as an epidemiologist! The man is playing the useful idiots, trying too make himself rich no mater how many bodies pile up. He is evil!

          • LOL… I heard about it but never saw video… appears he’s as good at throwing a ball as he is at epidemiology.

        • “You don’t have to be a great actor to spot a bad one.”
          — Cmdr. Peter Quincy Taggart/Jason Nesmith/Tim Allen, “Galaxy Quest”

      • Jim Jordan just showed how dumb Fauci is to America, if anyone paid attention. So here we have Fauci saying that America didn’t lock down enough, but he didn’t say much or anything during the riots, oops protests and “peaceful” ones at that.

        • It was worse than that. He pretended like the question was irrelevant. That one response made me lose complete confidence in this partisan hack.

        • He’s an overpaid bureaucrat, who will make an absolute fortune from his industry contacts if he does the “right thing”: push vaccines and anti-virals that are not yet off patent, and claim that trials show HCQ is ineffective… even if those trials have not been tested with zinc & azithromycin, as its advocates claim.

          This latter fact alone should tell you he’s not an honest man.

      • Well … I for one … won’t LIE (sic) to “preserve masks for health workers”. I don’t believe his backfilled excuse. He knows masks do precious little for the general public. And … I don’t tell people what they want to hear. Ex. I don’t tell some dating website that if you want to hook up (sexually) … then go ahead … “personal choice of risk” … but then insist everyone wear masks and goggles.

        I’m smarter than Dr. Fauxci in common sense. He may be a fine epidemiologist … but he is a seriously flawed individual. He has gotten drunk with his newfound celebrity status, and has lost track of what he has said to whomever he has spoken to. It’s a common human flaw … that isn’t canceled out with a degree of any sort. Yes. I think far more clearly and objectively than the good Doctor

        • If masks are urgent now, they would have been urgent at the beginning. Being an infectious disease specialist, he would have known that. But instead on March 8th he says “There’s no reason for anyone to be walking around with a mask right now.”

          He only gave as a secondary reason was to preserve masks for healthcare workers. Then later says that was the primary reason. Liar.

          As I mentioned in a previous thread. Had we been told masks were important early on, people, like my wife, would have made their own, and entrepreneurs would have started manufacturing masks in February instead of late May. Fauci is directly responsible for the US response.

          • He, like the World Health Organization, crumbled under political pressure from political groups like Masks4All. When nobody really knows, it’s a game of “our” evidence vs. “your” evidence, … and whoever whines the most and the loudest to top leaders wins.

      • International data makes mincemeat out of Fauci’s pro-lockdown argument, and in taking that position he sets himself up as a fool.
        It would have been smart of him to acknowledge the data and not get on the CYA political horse.
        The US has approx. 450/million deaths like France and is far below the 650-700/million rates of say Spain, Italy or the UK, all of which had draconian lockdowns, in particular France and Spain, including drones and domestic travel permits not seen since since WWII.
        Facts are stubborn things and reality a merciless mistress.

      • Mcswell. Fauci has contradicted himself on many issues on many occasions.
        But more significantly just a few days ago, when asked by Jim Jordan if he thought the government should ban ‘protests’? He refused to answer in the positive….this coming from someone who has endorsed the closure of churches, schools and gyms.
        He’s a political operative.

    • Shoki Kaneda
      July 31, 2020 at 6:10 am

      Fauci is way out of his depth. He hasn’t a clue.
      ————-

      Maybe you right, in one way or the other he happens to be out of his depth,
      but still then, if you allow me to put it through,
      he may have a far better clue than you when it comes
      to what his own actions mean and intend to lead too… and what that will mean to you, your life and that of your loved ones.
      I think in that one he has much better and clear clue and understanding of his own actions and the situation at hand.

      He very clearly knows better than you and any one else, that his actions are criminal, and he adheres and belongs to a criminal organization,
      one directly involved with crimes against humanity.
      In this one he has a better clue than you… I think… and me too included. 🙂

      These modern “butchers” make Nazis look like row models of Mahatma Gandhi.

      Cheers

  3. Flattening the curve doesn’t change the area under the curve. All it does is spread out the curve from a period of months to a period of years. No free lunch due to flattening.

    • The Faucist is talking out of both sides of his mouth all of the time. He changes his statements of facts and goals more often than a scam artist.

    • Exactly. And it costs more because the economy must be shutdown longer with lockdowns.

      All that should be done is to protect the high risk people.

    • exactly right…..it’s easy to look like you’re flattening the curve….when you kill off thousands of the most vulnerable right from the get go…like New York did

      Now Cuomo and DeSantis are bragging about how great they are……with the help of all the liberals and liberal media

      • I used that trigger word again….

        exactly right…..it’s easy to look like you’re flattening the curve….when you k1!! off thousands of the most vulnerable right from the get go…like New York did

        Now Cuomo and DeSantis are bragging about how great they are……with the help of all the liberals and liberal media

      • Texas will pass New York in total (known) cases by the weekend. Yet New York has six times the number of deaths. Disgusting that Cuomo and DeSantis aren’t being held accountable.

      • Cuomo a couple weeks ago was bashing Georgia, Georgiastill has less deaths the Cuomo’s nursing homes and De Blasios Queens or Brooklyn.

        In fact NYC still has more deaths than Florida, Texas or Claifornia.

          • NY has a big lead in deaths per 100,000.

            Texas has 10 million more residents than NY state but total death count is far lower.

            To be sure, we know know how to better treat the infected. NY, along with Italy, likely experienced a more deadly strain of the virus as well.

    • In theory you can reduce the total deaths by “flattening the curve”, but unfortunately that does not work for COVID-flu. The problem, is that it doesn’t matter how much you “flatten the curve” during the pandemic, only the measures you take in the final phase of the infection.

      So, you can just ignore the virus – have a very quick infection – one where it is easy to protect vulnerable groups, and then if at the end you bring in the right measures, you can reduce the overall death rate.

      The problem is that that thinking only works for a very severe virus where it is very easy to spot the people who are infected. That way “the end” can be accurately judged and can be hastened by specific measures to kill of the last few remaining cases. But covid-flu is not a serious illness for perhaps 99% of people who get it. The result is that 99% of people get the bug and will never see a docter nor bother to get a test. As a result, it can never be “killed off” in a way that fits the idea of “curve flattening”.

      That is because the virus, like all flus, is going to be around, for years, mostly being igored (so uncontrolled), but occaisionally coming to the attention of doctors.

      Quite simply, we are going to have to accept that, like many other bugs from colds to flu, that COVID-flu is going to be around in the general population for many years to come, and it will kill people in similar numbers to other bugs like colds and flus which are undoubtedly killers for the vulnerable.

      As a result, any measure we take to reduce the death rate, need to be in place for perhaps the next 5 years – which is more or less saying they will be permanent – otherwise they are pathetic virtue signalling with no benefit in terms of lives “saved” (although given most deaths are those close to death, it’s not really saving, but instead putting off death by a few months or years).

      • Please don’t call it the flu. Im sure you know this – a corona virus is not influenza any more than the rotavirus is the stomach flu.

        We don’t need to spread scientific illiteracy here, even if it’s a catchy, easily remembered nickname.

        Call it the Wuhan virus, the ChiCom virus, whatever. But please don’t use the word “flu” in the name.

    • “Hindsight is a wonderful thing. I’m personally a fan of lockdowns, but they are not a panacea.”

      Wow. Even the WHO, in a published document, says that lockdowns and contact tracing are not recommended UNDER ANY CONDITIONS! And it says masks are only for sick people when around the healthy.

      Fauci is unwilling to recognize that there is a small vulnerable population that does not include the young and healthy; in fact, school children tend NOT to effectively transmit the virus.

      He is also ignoring that not locking down allows the population to reach herd immunity faster, which was slowed, possibly by lockdowns. However, data from places like Sweden, with no lockdown, show almost the exactly same curve as the US. They actually allowed their economy to keep generating goods and services that were needed by the ill. What a bloody good concept.

      Sequestering the vulnerable is the most logical plan, but Fauci has a financial and power (with Bill Gates/UN mandated world vaccination program) stake in remdemisvir and a vaccine. No wonder they are so negative about HCQ, which is more of a wonder drug while remdemisvir is a weak, anemic pony in the medicine/treatment world. The doctors touting their successes with HCQ have no skin in the game, but Fauci is clearly after treatment with remdemisvir and herd immunity by artifice, vaccines—follow the money. Fauci hates the idea that people might attain immunity naturally as it means no cash flow in the direction he desires.

      It is not like we have not tried to make vaccines against coronaviruses (covis) over the last few decades. However, RNA viruses mutate too quickly for an effective specific vaccine. Why do they pretend that they can suddenly produce a vaccine where failure is a given?

      The one form of “vaccine” that might be effective is a vaccine that introduces the DNA sequence of a protein of the virus, such that it enters our genes (more or less randomly and likely multiple times) and we make the protein against which we form antibodies. This is called gene therapy. Why would the people allow gene therapy to be preformed on them to fight an infectious virus for which the vaccine is likely to be worthless in a short time through mutation of the virus?

      BTW, no one has actually isolated this virus and proven that it is the covi, or one of the covi/influenza salad of viruses that comprise the flu season, making people ill or dead. For all intents and purposes, this specific virus need not even exist. It might even be that a combination of viruses is the problem, making C-19 a syndrome.

      The authorities admit that the PCR C-19 test is a general test for covis, using a general genetic sequence common to covis and thus nonspecific. The antibody test is also a general test for a protein common to covis. This is why there are so many false positive tests which they prefer to call asymptomatic “cases.” In the real world, you are not a case unless you are ill. This is all about power, money, and, for the Democrat/liberal governments and officials, POWER over the people.

      Masks are actually unhealthy on the healthy for a variety of reasons, not least of which is that it is a sign of compliance to a government mandate that is not only ineffective but bad for you—patently UnConstitutional. For others, the already willingly compliant, it is virtue-signaling. I do not know which I like best, calling masks FACE BURKAs or UNISEX BURKAs.

      Gene therapy, no thanks, not going to happen to me.

      • “No one has actually isolated this virus and proven that it is the covid…”

        Nobody has isolated the novel Corona SARS2-Co-19 virus that causes Covid-19 infections?

        Source, please. At least on doctor was disappeared after releasing the virus’s genetic sequence to the world. (Being totalitarians, the Chi-Comes ensured the doctor conveniently died from the virus while in captivity, BTW).

      • Even the WHO, in a published document, says that lockdowns and contact tracing are not recommended… Dozens of papers argue this very point, even ones published by the CDC as late as May.
        However, data from places like Sweden, with no lockdown, show almost the exactly same curve as the US. The University of Tel Aviv released a study concluding the curve is the same no matter what mitigation measures have been employed.
        The antibody test is also a general test for a protein common to covis. The CDC and FDA on July 1st admitted a positive result may be due to other coronaviruses or even bacteria.
        One thing we do see is while the infection rate between countries is within the same range, the death rate in countries that practice HCQ for malaria, treatment or prophylaxis have much lower death rates. But Gates stated in February a $1 investment in vaccine companies yields $49 of profit, is a pretty strong argument to not allow people to use a generic drug that costs about $5 for a treatment cycle.

    • Shoshin, this has been the hardest thing to get my co workers to understand. They are all for lockdowns, mask wearing, economy killing measures to keep them personally from getting sick. If they personally didn’t want to get sick then they should go inside their house, lock the doors and not come out until there is a proven vaccine no matter how long that takes if ever.

  4. There is a large and dramatic difference between the responsibility of Dr. Fauci and President Trump. Dr. Fauci needs to study the current pandemic virus and try to participate in formulating a medical response to it. President Trump needs to inspire, and assist, Governors in each state to deal with the pandemic (who thinks the wheat fields of Montana are the same as the crowded streets of Manhatten?), to keep BLM anarchists from destroying federal property, deal with a surging level of misconduct from China, deal with false attempts to impeach him, try to not only maintain an economy sufficient to pay for efforts to counter the pandemic but also advance into all sectors of the population (which was well underway before the pandemic hit), and try to mount a reelection campaign. I just watched CNN ask “experts” what would happen if President Trump lost the election but refused to leave? If President Trump shold lose the election he will laugh his head off all the way back to Mar A Lago and get back to the good life.

    • Good comment, except for “from destroying federal property.”

      During an insurrection, with coordinated violent actions around the country, the federal government has the responsibility to protect all Americans and their property. That responsibility does not end where the federal property ends.

      • The Federal government cannot go beyond protecting federal property unless the State governor or maybe Mayor requests help.

        To use Federal forces, such as FBI , border staff, immigration staff, national guard without being requested is to invite Federal takeover of policing, then welcome to Venezuela with an AOC inspired Congress and Presudent.

        • ” The Federal government cannot go beyond protecting federal property unless the State governor or maybe Mayor requests help. ”
          Said Governor Wallace ?

        • EdB, that would be true under “normal” conditions, but Bob was referencing the insurrection act, which gives the President the authority to use federal forces without State/local approval in cases of “any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy” if those actions are preventing the enforcement/ajudication of federal law or depriving citizens of constitutionally guaranteed rights (see 10 USC, sect 253).

        • EdB
          July 31, 2020 at 8:50 am
          ———-
          Yes, but if need be, Federal government can Quarantine areas that posse high risk hazards for the rest of the nation… especially in the case of high health hazards.

          Remember Katrina New Orleans!

          cheers

  5. Everyone will catch this virus, 85% won’t know they caught it and 99.7% will recover. Nothing we do will change that.

    • My personal physician opined that CV-19 will vanish as a major problem the day after the 2020 Presidential election. If Trump is re-elected, CV-19 will no longer be an issue that the main-stream media can be used to defeat Trump; and if Trump is defeated, the problem goes away because CV-19 can be used as fodder against the democrats. I think my doctor has analyzed the problem correctly.

    • I think that is what a lot of people are thinking. I think those people are wrong. Not about the CV-19 virus vanishing if Fauci goes away, but about the current situation being the fault of Fauci and company.

      Jim Jordan had a lot of complaints to voice in the hearings today, asking public health officials political questions that should more properly be addressed to President Trump.

      The person who put our current policies in place regarding the Wuhan virus is President Trump. If you don’t like what you see, blame him, not Fauci.

      Fauci recommended against stopping air traffic from China at the beginning of this pandemic, as did every other advisor Trump queried on the subject (about 20 people). Yet Trump went ahead and stopped the air traffic all on his own, because he is a smart leader. And now is lauded for doing so by Fauci and all the other health officials who claim he saved millions of lives by doing so.

      So Jim Jordan, if you have some complaints, don’t pick on Dr. Fauci, pick on his boss, President Trump. Yes, I know why you are directing your anger at Fauci, because you don’t want to point any fingers at Trump.

      Not that I think anyone should be pointing fingers at Trump. I think Trump has been on top of this situation right from the start and would hazard to say that *nobody* could have done a better job than he has done considering the circumstances.

      But if you have any bitches about the way things are handled, you should go to the source and that’s not Dr. Fauci and the other health officials. They recommend, Trump considers their recommendations, and then acts in what he thinks is the best interests of the nation, whether it follows their recommendations or not.

      • The person who put our current policies in place regarding the Wuhan virus is President Trump. If you don’t like what you see, blame him, not Fauci.

        Some of what Trump has done has been at the behest of Fauci, et al., so no Tom, there’s blame to go around.

        They recommend, Trump considers their recommendations, and then acts in what he thinks is the best interests of the nation, whether it follows their recommendations or not.

        But Trump HAS followed Fauci’s recommendations, in which case you contradict yourself don’t you Tom? If not why not?

        Alternatively, Fauci could stop appearing on every media outlet and little old lady’s podcast he can find to talk about what should or should not be done re: dating, churches, businesses, etc.

        Those are POLICY statements. At the same time, “coincidentally” Fauci gets name and face plastered everywhere in the media.

        Or maybe you’d argue he’s pure and clean on that front?

        If you’re going to make health policy statements regarding gatherings, then make them consistently where health policy applies, e.g., PROTESTS. Don’t pull this mousey dodge-the-question nonsense he pulled in the hearing today because you’re scared to death to lose your media darling status.

        Or so it seems to me.

        • sycomputing wrote: “But Trump HAS followed Fauci’s recommendations, in which case you contradict yourself don’t you Tom? If not why not?”

          No, I don’t see a contradiction. I didn’t say Trump ignored all Fauci’s suggestions. He follows the ones he thinks he should follow and doesn’t follow the ones he doesn’t think he should follow, such as the China travel ban. Now imagine going against your entire leadership team including all the medical specialists. That takes some leadership. Trump knew in his heart he was right even though others were against it, and he acted, and as we see, it was in the best interests of the nation. Had he not taken this action many more people would have died.

          sycomputing wrote: “Alternatively, Fauci could stop appearing on every media outlet and little old lady’s podcast he can find to talk about what should or should not be done re: dating, churches, businesses, etc.”

          They ask him questions. What is he supposed to do sit there silently?

          sycomputing wrote: “If you’re going to make health policy statements regarding gatherings, then make them consistently where health policy applies, e.g., PROTESTS. Don’t pull this mousey dodge-the-question nonsense he pulled in the hearing today because you’re scared to death to lose your media darling status.”

          As far as the questions Jim Jordan was asking, Fauci was consistent. Jordan asked him if large protests pose a danger of spreading the Wuhan virus and Fauci confirmed they did. Jordan didn’t seem to want to accept Fauci’s statement apparently because Fauci didn’t include the word “protest” in his answer.

          Jim Jordan also asked Fauci about the limitations being put on churches when they worship as compared to other gatherings, but Fauci had nothing to do with setting the church limits, that’s on the different State governors and Chief Justice Roberts, who can’t comprehend what the U.S. Constituion says on the subject of religious freedom (NO limits). Asking Fauci about those things was not appropriate.

          Jim Jordan was just there to badger Fauci. Lots of heat and no light.

          Fauci has been turned into a scapegoat by those unhappy with the current situation and Jordan was piling on. Rush Limbaugh was praising the berating. Not me. I think it was unfair and mean-spirited.

          • No, I don’t see a contradiction.

            Ok let’s go through it and see. Maybe I was mistaken. Since you’ve taken to add to the logical mix your clarifications of today to the comments you made on the 31st, we’ll do that.

            Here’s what you said:

            The person who put our current policies in place regarding the Wuhan virus is President Trump. If you don’t like what you see, blame him, not Fauci.

            Blame Trump, not Fauci. Got it.

            But wait:

            I didn’t say Trump ignored all Fauci’s suggestions. He follows the ones he thinks he should follow and doesn’t follow the ones he doesn’t think he should follow, such as the China travel ban.

            Okay, so by your own admission, Trump follows at least some of Fauci’s recommendations, just as I’d already said. Therefore ipso facto Fauci isn’t blameless at all and thus a priori, you contradict yourself.

            QED

            They ask him questions. What is he supposed to do sit there silently?

            Gotcha. So what I hear you saying is Fauci doesn’t have the luxury of DECLINING interviews.

            I admit I really didn’t even conceive of the scenario where Fauci was FORCED to accept each and every media request for an interview (he could get his hands on), including my grandmother’s bridge club podcast that boasts at least 30 viewers per week in remote Heaven.

            Maybe I stand corrected (/sarc).

            Jordan didn’t seem to want to accept Fauci’s statement apparently because Fauci didn’t include the word “protest” in his answer.

            Not “apparently,” but rather, “because.” That’s BECAUSE that’s all Fauci had to do and he refused to do it. The interview would’ve been over as soon as he did and/or the topic would’ve moved forward.

            There’s a reason Fauci refused to use the word “protest” and there’s a reason he mealy-mouthed around the issue like a progressive propagandist.

            Just like you’re doing, Tom.

            Jim Jordan also asked Fauci about the limitations being put on churches when they worship as compared to other gatherings, but Fauci had nothing to do with setting the church limits . . .

            He asked because Fauci has interjected himself into the religious gatherings policy mix. If Fauci is going to comment on policy, then Fauci gets to be questioned on policy.

            Like protest policy.

            Fauci’s perfectly willing to use the word “church” when speaking about religious gatherings, but not the word “protests” when speaking about crowds. Why is that Tom? Seems so simple to the objective rationalist.

            What say (un)objective Fauci apologists like yourself?

            “But you’re right, crowds in church are important and every time I get a chance to say it, I mention it. I can’t really criticize them strongly for that at all. When you say less than 10, it makes common sense that it involves the church. I say it publicly and even the vice president has said it publicly.”

            https://tinyurl.com/vhjntsb

            You’re making bad excuses for Fauci Tom.

      • I disagree. Before 2020, the CDC stated a SARS death must be from an identified virus, AND MUST include pneumonia, AND MUST have confirmation with a chest X-ray. Why were the criteria changed?
        The WHO states code U07.1 must be confirmed by testing before stating a virus as the cause of death. The CDC revised U07.1 to allow for “probable or presumed” coding of COVID as a cause of death.
        The CDC and FDA admit the tests do not confirm SARS-CoV-2, but could be from other coronaviruses or even bacteria. The paperwork with the tests clearly states, “Not for diagnosis. Research use only.”

        So why did the CDC change their criteria for SARS death? Why did they change the criteria for coding deaths? Why are they pushing a test they admit is not conclusive? Why are serology tests counted as “cases”? Why are positive tests listed as “cases” when, clinically, they are not cases? Finally, who profits with either money or power for committing this fraud?

      • Sweden has had a lower death rate than the UK which basically put two fingers in the eyes of humans right magna carta and free speach and ended up with a massive debt and a higher death rate.

        If Sweden is to be critiqued, it is for not focussing enough on protecting the groups who actually died: those with pre-existing conditions. Countries with a very high regard for their elderly (Buddhist countries) actually did a lot better than Sweden. It seems likely that one of the big killers was stuffing less-well-off older people in public funded institutions where there was “less concern”, might be a euphemistic way of putting it, for their welfare.

      • Again, get the rest of the story. Sweden due to a shortage of ICU beds attributed to their socialized medicine, prioritized younger, healthier people over the aged. 95% of elderly coronavirus deaths did not involve an ICU stay. Nursing home deaths account for more than 50% of all deaths in Sweden. Another 25% were elderly who received home care services. Patients over 80 YO were not eligible for ICU or oxygen treatment. The same for patients over 60 YO with co-morbidities.

        One can also imagine that they compressed all of their deaths into a shorter timeframe. As other countries ramp back up, I wouldn’t expect to see that in Sweden.

      • That Daily Telegraph article is dated May 20th. If you check Worldometers Cornovirus website right now, Sweden’s deaths/million population metric is 568 (about 1/20th of a percent). That puts Sweden in 8th place, behind, in ascending order: Peru, Italy, Spain, Andorra, UK, Belgium, San Marino. Below Sweden come Chile, USA, France, Brazil, Holland. Factoring in trends it looks like Sweden will end up lower in the rankings than their current 8th place. Brazil and Mexico, to pick out two countries who are rising in the rankings, could claim a top-ten spot. Some credible people are arguing that Sweden has now passed the herd-immunity threshold and is on its way towards actual herd immunity. Their early surge of cases and deaths may have made them (temporarily) look imprudent, but it may prove to have been a perfectly sensible lifecycle strategy.

      • That was for about 2 days back in May. Belgium and the UK are two of the countries with higher deaths per capita than Sweden and Sweden is virtually over it.
        And compare Nre York to Sweden. .

      • For your information, mcswell, the death rate per million in Sweden is lower than the top ten States in the U.S. And in fact, is one third that of New York and New Jersey. AND, the excess death rate in Sweden at peak was less that 1/7th that of New York State.

        And of those ten U.S. States mentioned above, only ONE has a Republican Governor….and U.S. State GOVERNORS are responsible for pandemic response in their State.

    • Have you noticed the date on the article you’re quoting? nearly 3 months ago? Things have changed a bit since then …

      • Yeap, but 3 weeks after the article in the post I was responding to. So why didn’t you attack him for having old data? Because you and he are on the same side, trying to pretend that Sweden’s approach was better?

        If you want s.t. recent, try this: https://www.boston.com/news/coronavirus/2020/07/08/sweden-coronavirus-cautionary-tale “Per million people, Sweden has suffered 40% more deaths than the United States, 12 times more than Norway, seven times more than Finland and six times more than Denmark.” Is that the kind of change over the last three months you were looking for?

        • Per million people, Sweden has suffered 40% more deaths than the United States, 12 times more than Norway, seven times more than Finland and six times more than Denmark. Is that the kind of change over the last three months you were looking for?

          First, Sweden’s at about +20% of the U.S., not 40%. As for the rest, that looks like a cherry pick to me. Did you check to see which country was highest in deaths/million, like Art and Pete describe previously?

          Sweden’s still below the U.K., Belgium, Andorra, Spain, Italy, and Peru, all of whom did lockdowns:

          https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/?#countries

          Sweden’s economy GREW during the pandemic as well, unlike Norway, Denmark, and Finland, among others.

          https://tradingeconomics.com/sweden/gdp-growth

  6. For personal behavior we have WWJD (What Would Jesus Do). For this coronavirus maybe we should have WDTD (What Did Taiwan Do).

    It has been reported that Taiwan avoided being locked down. One of the family who does business with suppliers in Taiwan tells me that things aren’t quite normal in the supply chain. So, even Taiwan appears to have implemented the ideal response, we should take that with a small grain of salt. Anyway, depending on your metric, Taiwan is still orders of better than the rest of us.

      • Absolutely. Nobody knows more about China than Taiwan. Many many Taiwanese travel back and forth to China. Everyone speaks Mandarin and can follow the Chinese media.

        I can’t find the link but my recollection is that one guy, in the middle of the night, noticed a bad flu outbreak in Wuhan. He was able to bring about Taiwan’s swift response.

      • telling people to not wear masks…masks don’t work…..when you know damn well they work…is lying

        …making up excuses…..”Actually the circumstances have changed,”…after the fact

        is lying on top of lying

        • No, it’s not. It’s responding to the developing state of knowledge, being truthful about the real current situation, and above all emphasising facts over opinions.

          • Fauci said they initially wanted to reserve masks for healthcare workers, not that the data on mask efficacy changed.

          • are you putting me on….

            Lying and telling people masks don’t work…because they wanted to save them for medical workers

            …if the masks don’t work….why did they want to save them

            Fauci knew damn well they worked

          • Oh is it? That’s not exactly correct. It’s listening to only SOME facts and ignoring others.

        • Why do folks say that Fauci knew that masks work, accepting his stated excuse of having a strategic reason for lying about it at the time? It sounds to me as though he knew quite well how ineffective they were, but he has a strategic/bueurocratic reason for claiming they are effective *now*!

        • That’s just funny.

          “He also acknowledged that masks were initially not recommended to the general public so that first responders wouldn’t feel the strain of a shortage of PPE.”

          He gave that as a secondary reason, while saying multiple times there’s no reason for anyone (outside healthcare workers) to wear a mask.

          Seems like the cart before the horse. If most of the public had been wearing masks (and social distancing, etc), there would have been much less NEED for healthcare workers to stockpile masks, because there would have been much fewer hospital admissions. That is, if masks provide as much protection as portrayed.

          And, as I commented above, people would have made their own masks, and companies could have started pumping out cloth masks by the millions MUCH sooner.

          By saying “There’s no reason for people to be walking around with masks”, he delayed the public response.

          It seems to me, though, that Covid-19 must be spread much more easily than by very close contact with a symptomatic carrier, who is coughing or sneezing almost right in your face. Otherwise it wouldn’t have spread as quickly as it did/is.

          As for whether a cloth mask will stop it getting to your mouth and nose… People like ghalfrunt are ignoring that we’ve been told that it only travels in water/mucous droplets, not as a free-floating virus that is X-nm across.

      • Fauci’s own NIH studied HCQ in 2005 for effectiveness against SARS Coronavirus with positive results. As Trump mentioned HCQ he insisted that there is no evidence that HCQ is effective against Coronaviruses.

      • How about his own admission?

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2MmX2U2V3c

        He lied about masks in order to preserve N95 respirators and even surgical masks for health care personnel when medical-grade coverings were in short supply. Why not level with the public, instead of claiming that masks made things worse, because you have to adjust them, touching your face more often?

        Trump by contrast urged people to use scarves or bandanas at least to limit their spread of viruses.

        Dr. Anthony “Brad Pitt” Fauci is a typical, megalomanical little lying CYA bureaucrat.

        • Best comment on that video: “Fauci is like the guy in an apocalypse movie that claims the group is out of food when he has a backpack full of Twinkies.”

    • Fauci flat out lied…and admitted to it
      Told people masks didn’t work…because they were afraid medical workers would run out…and Fauci sat back and condoned “stop wearing masks people”

      …so what’s he lying about now?

    • Lots of doctors are beating it. You just have to think outside of the box and eschew establishment treatments. Key is to actually treat the disease instead of causing, or best case, exacerbating it, with mechanical ventilation and toxic drugs. I’ve read lots of stories of doctors having this kind of success of 0% mortality.

      This small Texas hospital is finding ways to save COVID-19 patients
      https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-05-15/this-small-texas-hospital-is-finding-ways-to-save-covid-19-patients

      • I suspect one reason for this doctor’s success is that almost all of the hospital’s respiratory therapy staff refused to come to work when the covid unit started up, lol.

        • HCQ and steroids seem to do the trick, but I disagree with his steroid of choice (methylprednisolone IV) because it can have some horrendous side effects (e.g., osteonecrosis, i,e, bone death). I posted a video earlier of one of his patients who was possibly having side effects from treatment. Nebulized budesonide seems to be a wiser choice because it targets the lungs where the initial inflammation is.

          Interestingly and curiously, that doctor used to intubate at the drop of a hat, but avoids it at all costs for covid patients. That champ ain’t skeered of no virus like pantywaist (or possibly incompetent) hospitals are.

          In the COVID ICU, I do whatever it takes to avoid intubation and assisted mechanical ventilation. From permissive hypoxemia to high flow nasal canula with awake proning, a real COVIDologist is aware that intubation has a negative prognostic outcome in these patients.

          http://criticalcareshock.org/2020/05/on-becoming-a-covidologist-an-intensivist-tale/on-becoming-a-covidologist-an-intensivist-tale/

  7. Fauci and Redfield gave the Senate Intelligence Committee a closed
    door briefing in late January. The
    entire group sold large bundles of stocks afterwards. Fauci then
    tells the public not long after that there was nothing to be
    concerned about in regards to the chicom virus. Senator Burr
    held a meeting in Feb with his largest donors and one of them recorded
    it on a smart phone. The recorded meeting is the truth IMO.

    Fauci talks out of both sides of his mouth.. His
    HCQ bashing is criminal. And the leftist media is equally criminal.
    Orwell only got the year wrong.

    • “Fauci and Redfield gave the Senate Intelligence Committee a closed door briefing in late January. The entire group sold large bundles of stocks afterwards.”

      Not quite correct. The “entire group” did not sell large bundles of stocks afterwards.

      Initially, four Senators were accused of selling stocks after attending this hearing, one Democrat, Diane Feinstein, and three Republicans, Senator Kelly Loeffler (R-Georgia), Senator Jim Inhofe (R-Oklahoma) and Senator Burr.

      They have all denied the charges.

      I don’t know the particulars of Diane Feinstein’s stock sales, but as for Loeffler, she does not directly handle her stock account and only sees buys and sells after the fact, and Senator Inhofe explained that he sold all his stocks at the beginning of the year because he had become the Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman, and he wanted to get rid of all stocks so as not to be a conflict of interest for him, and he sold all his stock long before he attended the meeting in question, where the Wuhan virus was discussed.

      Senator Burr probably has some explaining to do as does Senator Feinstein, but they are innocent until shown to be guilty.

      That’s where the situation stands.

      • Fauci was telling insiders one thing and the public another.
        That is my point.

        “Burr attended a luncheon held at a social club called the Capitol Hill Club.
        And he delivered a much more alarming message.

        “There’s one thing that I can tell you about this: It is much more aggressive
        in its transmission than anything that we have seen in recent history,” he said,
        according to a secret recording of the remarks obtained by NPR.
        “It is probably more akin to the 1918 pandemic.”

        Feinstein reported selling millions in stock just before the
        coronavirus-related market crash. The senator claimed
        she was not a party to the decision to sell and that the
        trades were made by her husband.

        • “Fauci was telling insiders one thing and the public another.”

          I’m not sure that’s true. I would like to see an example of where Dr. Fauci was telling the Senate one thing about the Wuhan virus and a completely different thing to the public in the same time frame.

          • The Senate are not “insiders”, a few members are, executives at the pharma companies he is associated with are, a select group of USG employees are, certain investment industry people are. Funny how much effort you put into defending this scumbag.

  8. Well, I am not a fan of locking up free and healthy people for any reason other than for criminal behavior. According to Worldometer data, Sweden is completely out of danger from the virus and compared to the USA, 565 deaths per million population vs 469 in the USA and the USA is still climbing. So the lock down didn’t work to stop deaths. It only cost a lot.

    It cost a lot more than the cost.

    There is study after study after study at http://www.medrxiv.org that clearly show the efficacy of using Hydroxychloroquine with other treatments in all phases of the disease.

    I will say that the lock down did provide time to develop other treatments. But early calls to use Hydroxychloroquine went unheeded and the FDA’s call to stop using it at one point shows that government should not be able to override local doctors ability to call the shots based upon study data at medrxiv.

    Dr. Fauci has stated that he never has made decisions based upon economic data nor is he able to. In my humble opinion, someone with the ability to shut down the economy should be able to consider all of the costs in a decision making process. And it is also my opinion that he clearly is not qualified to make the calls based upon his own admission.

      • That’s a good question, Art. According to the CDC’s excess mortality figures, all of the excess mortality (130,000 instances or so) occurred AFTER the lockdown. None before. So I would say, all of those were caused by the lockdown, not Covid…

    • Maybe the medical director should simply not have the power to shut down the economy. That is probably a Presidential call, if anyone has the authority to call it at all.

  9. I don’t know the right answer, the right balance between lockdowns and economic activity, and I doubt anyone else does either.

    That is a policy question, not a scientific one. And the answer is: the right balance is whatever we say it is.

  10. THE US HAS NOT BEATEN COVID19 BECAUSE DONALD TRUMP IS STILL PRESIDENT. IF TRUMP IS KICKED OUT OF OFFICE BY THE DEEP STATE TRAITORS WATCH ALL THIS COVID BS GO AWAY.

  11. The real pandemic is a pandemic of fear aka covidaphobia.

    And like someone afraid of flying ,covidaphobics are highly sensitive to anything that might indicate there is a problem, so each bit of turbulence they face sends them grabbing for something to comfort them as they think the plane is going to crash.

    Likewise, covidaphobics are actively seeking out evidence to support their irrational fear of covid-flu, and each little twist and turn in the stats (usually caused by increased cases from increased testing), sends them screaming to the TV to shot “we’re all doomed: the end is nigh”.

    That doesn’t mean planes never crash, and it doesn’t mean that there’s not a small chance that people will die from covid-flu, but it’s very clear from Sweden that they, so most other countries that didn’t lockdown, are fast approaching the herd immunity levels which means covid-flu will just fade away into nothing. So, yes, a few deaths still remain, but the level is now so low, that in the UK, the rate of deaths is now BELOW the normal level of deaths and has been for five weeks.

    So, you’ve got to be absolutely bonkers to be changing your life one little tiny bit to accomodate covid-flu. And if you are, then you ought to get treatment for your hypochodria, because that is causing far more problems AND DEATHS than covid now.

    And yes climate is the same.

    • I totally agree. I’ve been calling it the “panicdemic” from Day #1. It’s the death of Lady Diana meets Groundhog Day.

      • I haven’t, but in retrospect more lives would have been saved if we’d done nothing than the insane approach that was taken, so I wish I had.

        Ironically, the reason this flu has been such a killer, is very simple: it is so benign. That should sound illogical: 90-99% get a version that is so mild that they know it’s nother serious. The problem is that because it has a similar death rate to flu around 0.1%, and 90% don’t get a serious form and so don’t show up for testing … of the 10% who do show up for testing, 1% die … which to the doctors at the beginning looked like a horrendous number, because they then assumed wrongly 1% of those who got it died, whereas it was only 0.1% (and most of those near to death).

        However because 90-99% get it with no severe symptoms – those 90-99% keep o with their normal lives (which could be working in a hospital), so the fact that it is so benign, actually massively increased the rate of spread and made it all but impossible to stop. That in turn meant it seemed to “appear by magic” in the population, jumped all attemps to stop its spread and created fear and panic.

        That’s how it turned into a “panicdemic” as you put it.

        The way it just seemed to jump borders and appear out of no where (because there was no obvoius link between the serious cases – because they were all very mild ones). created fear and that fear and panic (stoked by the evil media into total paranoia), meant that many older people in care were effectively left to die – massively increasing the death rate.

        If in contrast, it had actually killed 1%, and most people had got very bad symptoms, then because those with it would be very easy to spot, it would have been very easy to stop and stopped months ago through the measures they attempted to use. And because it wouldn’t spread anything near as easily, the numbers would be a lot lower andthat would mean that anyone who did get it, was treated in the very best facilities and that would have prevented many deaths.

  12. The US has the third largest population in the world. We are testing more people for the virus than many countries. Did it occur to this senile idiot that those two factors may be behind the absolute number of cases being higher than European countries with < 5% of the US population (Sweden, Switzerland, Denmark)? The number of new cases reported in the US is going up dramatically, but the number of deaths is relatively stable. That implies to me that we are under control, but testing more.

    • Yeah, noone at the hearing mentioned the United States was doing much more testing than any other nation on Earth by far, so naturally the United States is going to find more positive cases.

      I think the death counts in some of these recent hotspots are already trending down even with the increased number of cases discovered.

  13. Sometimes the proposed cure is worse than the disease. Interestingly, this certainly applies to the proposed damage due to CAGW. Certainly their prescription for avoiding the damage is far more damaging than just responding to any damage that might appear. Note that no actual damage has been noted yet. The rate of sea level rise is constant, just like it was a century ago. Hurricanes are not stronger or more frequent. The world was at least this warm thousands of years ago and life flourished. People are causing extinctions of species, but this is due to habitat encroachment and folk medicine cures (rhino horn), not the weather.

  14. There is no way we are going to stop CV-19. It is going to go through the population because people won’t stay totally isolated for the 3-4 weeks it would take. And even then, it would pop up again and away we go. All we will do is fight it for years, including any mutated versions.

    Might as well bite the bullet and let it go like the flu. Keep the people at risk away and the VAST majority of others take their chances until herd immunity is passed and we get some decent vaccines. We have good therapeutics now and most won’t have any serious complications. Take Vitamin D, NAC or whatever and lose weight to get yourself healthy, no matter what age you are. These diseases are our history and they just have to play out.

      • “Ohio governor directed state Rx board to OK HCQ for primary care prescription, which did so.”

        Yes, the State board banished HCQ on Wednesday, and reversed themselves on Thursday, presumably after the Ohio governor intervened.

        Now we just need 43 more States to eliminate their restrictions on prescribing HCQ.

        Or everyone can go to Ohio and get their prescription filled. 🙂

    • Ignoring them is way more unhealthy.

      Proper hygiene saved probably more lives than all drugs we’ve developed so far including antibiotics.

      • Ron
        July 31, 2020 at 7:49 am

        How do you think Portland doing at that department.
        Don’t you think that the main safe way there only consist as full quarantining of Portland, as a very very high health risk at this point for the rest of the nation?

        What do you think, shall this be ignored, this very high health hazard potential, for the rest there, because of some CNN or NDC or UN WHO love in the air among the brain dead!

        Oh, well, maybe this a bit too heavy, is not it?

        cheers

    • It bothers me that almost all news article about the virus always begin with an image of the virus. It’s like we’re idolizing it.

  15. We haven’t beaten influenza, either. Should we shut down the world until that deadly pathogen vanishes? It takes 40,000 to 120,000 American lives every year – WITH a vaccine.

    Lockdowns are not simply ineffective (at best delaying the inevitable, at worst making it come more quickly). They are evil. The moral component cannot be overstated.

    • i the house hearing today Refeild and Fauci said that Masks, social distancing, wash hands, general hygiene and staying out of large crowds is a good as shut downs. Fauci also said he doesn’t see the need for another shut down.

  16. Fauci has short man syudrome. He’s shorter than I am. He’s also a control freak who let people from China infiltrate NIH. He may have a distinguished career, but it just isn’t enough to make him happy, so HARD LOCKDOWNS ARE THE ONLY ANSWER.

    Okay, Fauci, you obnoxious little twerp, are you going to get my groceries for me???? Are you going to get the stuff I want, or do I have to go hunting this early in the year? Are you? If you aren’t then shut up and go sit in your corner.

    • First and foremost, Fauci is a BUREAUCRAT. Why is it that some people seem to think that long term government employees are “experts” in their field?

    • Umm, why? Well, Art, when you find a cozy spot and you get everything you think you want, including money and attention, you tend to stay there. Why else is Hollywierd so loaded with people whose mental faculties don’t function very well, and who can hardly think for themselves, never mind to their own laundry?

  17. I’ve analyzed Fauci’s statement and put it into terms that can easily be followed:

    “Ibbledy-bibbledy-bibble. Ibble-bibble. Blah, blah, blah. Covid.”

  18. Due to panic and political pressure, many areas went into lock down too soon. Before the virus had reached their area in any volume.
    As a result, by the time the virus did reach them, the people were already fed up with lock downs.

  19. Thousands of doctors in the usa, and vile fauci is the only one who is allowed to tell us what to do 😐 It was the same with the absolute fool, Neil Ferguson.

    I truly do not understand why a man who got it wrong with aids, is still allowed to speak on such subjects.

    He gave funds to the wuhan lab, got masks wrong, first he said they are useless, and now they save lives, he said don’t stop travel, then trump did and fauci said “I told trump to stop travel from china”

    From the inconsistent rubbish he talks, I do not trust fauci at all

    • I truly do not understand why a man who got it wrong with aids, is still allowed to speak on such subjects.

      For some reason, we really seem to like “experts” who are constantly wrong. Krugman still writes about economics and he’s almost never right.

      I will never understand that.

  20. This is nonsense the whole way. The reason the US hasn’t beaten the virus is that endemic viruses can’t be beaten before they have run their course. Some viruses are so terribly infectious that we must try to slow them down so that health services don’t are overwhelmed – but that does not require stopping people working..

    Sweden is over it now, in as much that daily deaths there are now practically zero. And they did not ruin their economy to the same extent because they had no enforced lock-down.

    • There are a lot of factors involved in Sweden’s situation. One being they were using HCQ and then they stopped using HCQ and then they resumed using HCQ again. Another being voluntarily locking themselves down. And many more.

      • Precisely, Tom. But we are all running around like head-less chickens – forgetting that endemic viruses simply cannot be beaten. Not all viruses become endemic – they may die off spontaneously (like SARS – and we probably don’t really know why). But Covid 19 does NOT die away.

        So let us just accept it – let us ignore it. If we happen to catch it and die – so be it. But don’t let us ruin the whole world’s economy just to save people from dying natural deaths.

        And don’t panic from seeing big numbers of fatalities. Luckily we die only one death each – which we all come to sooner or later. Why worry??

  21. All of these comments are well taken. Just remember that Dr. Fauci is a eugenics believer. Follow that and study its implications. Everything else will make sense.

  22. What a mess, no certain knowledge and no credible comparable numbers anywhere. We are repeatedly told that “Europe did better.” If the published numbers are even moderately correct, this is not a true. Europe has similar numbers to ours. Asia did better, and that seems true, in fact so much better that we ought to be studying Asia, not Europe.
    As for Dr. Fauci, he does seem out of his depth. We must take advice from practicing doctors and scientists who are current in the field. We cannot take politicians and bureaucrats for experts. Dr. Fauci has been a bureaucrat for many years now.
    A knowledge of history and philosophy could also help. Spanish Flu, 50-100 million deaths; 1957 flu, 1-2 million deaths; 1968 flu, 1-4 million deaths; Covid to date, using published figure, 650K deaths.

  23. the lockdowns in EVERY country will kill tens to hundreds of thousands of people due to delayed medical procedures … mainly cancer and heart disease diagnosis … hasn’t killed them yet so nobody “counts” those deaths in the cost of the lockdowns … but like the rising of the sun each day it will happen but nobody will have screaming headlines about it … add to that increased scuicides and drug and alchohol abuse deaths and the lockdowns where a conscious decesion to kill working age people to save a some elderly people from dying this year instead of over the next 2-3 years … criminal negligence on the part of officials …

  24. I like Jim Jordan (R-Ohio), but I must say, he really mad an ass out of himself today questioning Dr. Fauci, during the U.S. House of Representatives Coronavirus hearings.

    Nothing but personal attacks from Jim Jordan aimed at Dr. Fauci. It was outrageous the way he treated Dr. Fauci. I thought Dr. Fauci handled the unwarranted attack well.

    I’m disappointed in Jim Jordan. He looked more like a hate-spewing Democrat today, than a reasonable Republican.

      • You also ought to take a look at the way the Democrats treated Attorney General Bob Barr in his congressional hearing the other day. Jim Jordan looked just like one of those Democrats questioning Barr: Dripping contempt and not really wanting any answers from Barr, they just wanted to make political speeches, and badger the witness for political purposes.

        • Jordan asked direct questions, Fauci ducked&dodged, all he had to do was answer directly the direct questions directly asked of him. Instead he chose to play games. Fauci does not care, every day he is ramming his pockets full of our tax dollars as fast as he can. What you want to bet Fauci retires to a locale with no extradition treaty with US in the not to distant future?

        • You also ought to take a look at the way the Democrats treated Attorney General Bob Barr in his congressional hearing the other day.

          I saw a good deal of it. Textbook false analogy fallacy, Tom.

          I didn’t see an example in the portions I watched of AG Barr refusing to provide a direct answer to any Democrats’ question. This contrary contrary Fauci, who refused by omission to directly criticize progressive riots in questioning by Jim Jordan.

          If you can point out where Barr did something . . . ANYTHING under Democrat questioning similar to Fauci’s weaseling out at Jordan’s questioning, I could believe you.

          Until then, no one should believe you.

    • It’s Fauci’s repeated manifestations of nonsensical ideas – as if he can’t figure out what is what and which one work – that has drawn my attention to him. If Jordan turned Fauci into a quivering, babbling mess, fine by me. Thanks for the link. I will review it and pass it on to others.

      • Thanks for the link. I will review it and pass it on to others.

        You betcha Sara. Hey I’d like to hear what you think after you watch it.

        Is Tom right? Did I miss something?

        Did Jordan “make an ass out of himself”? Was it really “[no]thing but personal attacks from Jim Jordan”? Was it “outrageous the way he treated Dr. Fauci”?

        And all the rest of it?

      • I did watch the whole thing, on the Youtuber channel, right up to where Rep. Clyburn (D-SC) broke in and put a stop to Fauci’s blithering and babbling.

        He’re’s the real problem: Jordan asked direct questions that only required a “Yes” or “No’ answer. There was no reason for Fauci to haul out his “notebook” of stuff, nor was there any reason for him to avoid a direct “Yes” or “No” to a direct question. To put it bluntly, after watching the full episode, it was easy enough to realize that Jordan’s questions only required “Yes, it is” or “No, it is not” as answers. There is/was absolutely NO reason for Fauci to quibble about it or try to change the subject, none at all.

        Now you have to rightfully ask what is he hiding under his lab coat, or what is he hiding from? And since he’s the one in charge when those Chinese “researchers” infiltrated the NIH on HIS watch, what is the connection to that, if any?

        No, Jordan’s questions were legitimate and direct. There was/is no reason at all for Fauci to avoid answering with a “Yes” or “No’, and all he did was piss off Rep. Jordan by not giving those simple answers. That’s the reason that Rep. Clyburn broke in and ended it. Fauci’s on some kind of power trip there. So it is legitimate to ask why he refused to answer Jordan’s direct, simple questions.

        It’s entirely possible that Fauci is afraid of losing his current power trip position as dTrump’s adviser in all things Covid, but I think there is more to it than just that. That bout with Jordan says “something is very wrong here”.

        I think there may be more to come on this subject.

        • “No, Jordan’s questions were legitimate and direct.”

          What’s legitimate about asking Fauci about restricting the number of people that can attend church at one time, when it is State govenors who have implemented that rule? Fauci had nothing to do with those decisions, but Jordan is badgering him about them anyway.

          • They are doing so after Fauci established those guidelines, that is what being “the expert” means, he is the one telling governors et al what they should do, then they do it. Andrew The Insane shipped highly contagious patients to nursing homes full of elderly people because “the expert” said that is what should be done, as did Wolfe, Murphy, Newsom, Northam etc etc. Thats how that works, “the expert” says it and they do it, and they are off the hook legally because “the expert” said it.

          • Fauci had nothing to do with those decisions, but Jordan is badgering him about them anyway.

            Fauci’s plenty willing to expressly call out churches, but not progressive protests, that’s why:

            “But you’re right, crowds in church are important and every time I get a chance to say it, I mention it. I can’t really criticize them strongly for that at all. When you say less than 10, it makes common sense that it involves the church. I say it publicly and even the vice president has said it publicly.”

            https://tinyurl.com/vhjntsb

            Consistency, Tom, a demand to consistency (i.e., your lack of it when it comes to Fauci’s public policy statements) is what causes you to err. If you were objective in your judgment, you could see that. But instead, you choose to be an (un)objective Fauci apologist.

  25. Dr. Fauci is morphing into the male equivalent of Gloria Allred–he never met a camera he didn’t like.

  26. To me the scariest news about the “vaccine” is that it is not a vaccine.
    A vaccine gives a non-lethal dose of the virus. The immune system, recognizing an attack, generates antibodies.
    The “vaccine” being developed works differently.
    Our DNA gets transcribed to mRNA (messenger RNA) which gets converted (by a transcriptase) to a protein. Viruses invade a cell and use the same transcription mechanism, acting like mRNA, to create a special transcriptase of its own. This viral transcriptase (which is inhibited by zinc) then generates infective virus particles.
    The “vaccine” is a genetically engineered mRNA, and uses our transcriptase to generate a protein, much like a virus does. I am doubtful that genetic engineering is advanced enough to guarantee any sane degree of safety.

    • Moderna’s dangerous mRNA “vaccine” is only one project. The one which looks the safest and most effective right now is from Oxford’s Jenner Institute, based upon a weakened chimp adenovirus, with WuWHOFlu viral spike proteins attacjed. AZN is already making 400 million doses, before it’s even out of human trial.

  27. How much better is europe doing?

    deaths per million population
    Spain 608
    italy 581
    UK 679
    France 463

    US 470 and the us is almost certainly counting more liberally than the european countries.

    • All these countries have immigration problems and the US also has the highest use of AC anywhere in the world. This is as likely the reason the hot spots are happening where they are, cross boarder issues with Mexico and Air Conditioners, if you question this than why is southern California a hot spot but not northern?

      • Not long ago some folks, including a certain president, were saying that higher temperatures would kill the virus. Guess they forgot to factor in AC?

      • I don’t disagree with you Bob but…
        Living in AZ, there does seem to be some correlation between the onset of hot weather and the uptick in cases. That would imply that AC has a significant impact on spreading the virus. However, the majority of people in AZ have their AC systems running by end of March and start of April. By the end of April, nearly all AC systems are in use within the lower elevation areas of our state, aka. Phoenix and Tucson metro areas, since temperatures are already well into the 90’s and even into triple digits by then. So makes you wonder why our spike happened nearly four weeks after we began to reopen again.
        Now consider that approximately two weeks after our soft open, the protests broke out around the end of May and continued for some time. Even today, there are still ‘protests’ going on in Tempe and Phoenix. Coincidentally, the cases began to spike around the end of week one and the start of week two in June. The vast majority of reported cases early on during the spike has been in the age population between 18 and 40. Hmmm…Seems that this age group is also the vast majority of the demographic where protests have taken place. Correlation much?
        Now take into account that these same young protesters go home with the virus, visit mom, dad, grandma and grandpa, best friend and hang out at the local restaurant talking about the protests from the previous few days. They sit in the nice, cold AC only to have the virus they caught now circulate throughout the house, building or facility they just entered and exposing countless others to this virus.

        So, yes…AC does play a part but I would lay the blame at the feet of these protestors, agitators, rioters, looters and anarchists. The AC is just doing its job of keeping people cool and comfortable.

        • That is a very good observation, Romeo. If you have something more detailed about the correspondence between CV19 and air conditioning, statistics or otherwise, could you add that to this?
          I wonder if I should be glad I didn’t get the A/C recharged for this summer. There really is something strange going on here.

          • Don’t think it’s the AC per say, I think it’s the staying in and being closed places with other people.

          • There’s that, too, Bob, but Legionella also is transmitted by poorly maintained A/C systems, so is it the A/C or the crowded quarters? Or is it both?

  28. In the Midwest we did all of the precautions as though we were NY and NJ with their timing as one nation and then started to open up when the viral tsunami wave finally (actually) made it to our area. But we continue to generalize about continental scale countries and blocks of countries instead of the local vectors. This is the first pandemic with HIPPA privacy rules blocking useful information about the true vectors of infections at airports, food processing plants, hospitals, rotating nursing home staffs, under-reported local group gatherings, and immigrant multi-family households working in food processing. We make a lot of noise now while the same wave rolls on to new areas.

    • He maybe right. Even if a vaccine works, the virus is out the in the world. Animals can carry it. The virus may also mutate so that existing vaccines (if any), no longer work.

      We need to be mentally prepared for the possibility of need a new inoculation every year.

    • The influenza vaccine changes every year because the flu bug is a clever little soul that shifts its antigens and combines with other flu viruses to create one that humans may not be immune to. Hence, the annual flu shot. Sometimes, the CDC trips over its results – remember the Swine Flu panic? And the Bird Flu ditto? Those are good examples of misinformation by the press people, even though the idea of a new flu vaxx every fall has been here for decades.

      This bug may be like that – shifting its antigens at will – and that may mean a new CV vaxx will be necessary every year. Hope I”m wrong. With something like this, I would GLADLY be wrong.

  29. COVID 19 and all the restrictive measures will disappear the day after Biden wins the election–the day he is inaugurated Fauci will get a raise.

  30. I find it simply amazing that, right now, all-cause mortality in the United States is about average. It is simply amazing how there are fewer deaths because of motorcycle accidents, gunshot wounds, stroke, and cancer.

    It is also amazing how the media always uses the word “cases”, never “people”. Why is that? There is an easy explanation. If I go in the hospital for a knee replacement, the hospital tests me every day for COVID-19. Every positive test counts as a case. Some hospitals have admitted to that.

    And it is amazing how the goalposts keep moving. In March, “flatten the curve” and “wash your hands, don’t touch your face”. Now, “cases cases cases!” and “facemasks!”

    I can guarantee you the goalpost will keep moving until after the November election. Journalists around the world listen to the New York Times as if their content was gospel truth. (Source: https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1288817155660709893 ) The New York Times would gladly put 8 billion people into poverty if it meant President Trump lost the election. I am quite certain Facebook, Google, Twitter, and Amazon would do the same. So, the New York Times is doing everything in their power to damage Donald Trump, and that panic is parroted around the world. Once the election is over and with the very likely chance Trump will win, the New York Times will need to find another thing to try and get rid of the President. And that means they will stop talking about what didn’t work, COVID-19.

  31. I don’t know whether its possible to re-analyze death certificates effectively but it is no secret that the left padded Covid death numbers with thousands of deaths from other causes for political reasons.

    There were a large number of reports on this that came out early on, but, predictably, this triggered a flood of lefty articles to drown these out and, true to Alinsky’s rules for lefty activists, they went Full Monty and claimed the deaths were greatly underestimated.

    Also statistics on the disease have been shoddy around the world (maybe Taiwan an exception) and essentially unfit for use in fully assessing the disease. In this day and age, this is malfeasance with an agenda. I guess we should simply use Taiwan’s medical data to have the best there is.

  32. During a town hall on CNN on Thursday, White House Coronavirus Task Force member Dr. Anthony Fauci stated that he doesn’t think “we need to go to lockdown again and shelter in place.”

    Fauci said, “I don’t think we need to go to lockdown again and shelter in place. There are situations, as I’ve mentioned to you before, in multiple interviews, where, when they were trying to open up a state or a city, that there were certain guidelines that were skipped over. Maybe you’re in a phase two, and you need to pause and maybe go back to phase one. That’s entirely conceivable and may be recommended. I don’t think we need to go all the way back to lockdown. And the reason I say that is that we’re learning more and more. If you do five fundamental principles, in any situation, one, wear a mask all the time, consistently, when you’re outside, and can be exposed. Number two, keep physical distance. Number three, avoid bars or close bars if you can. Keep away from crowds, big congregations, and maintain hand hygiene. Those are five not rocket science things that one can do. And we know when you do that, and states that have done that, they’ve actually flattened the surging curve and are starting to come down. So, bottom line, right now, I don’t think we need to go to lockdown.”

    This guy will get everybody banned from Twitter/Facebook/YouTube

  33. As a professional mind reader I wanted to give you Dr. Fauxi’s latest thoughts on the Chi-Com 19 Virus and the American response:
    “If these idiots will fall for lockdowns and mask mandates maybe I can make them wear goggles, too! This game of playing God is really fun, Hillary was right! Now if we can just get our new super, duper vaccine to market I’ll be rich, rich I tell you! Sure hope that Trump loses so I can relax for a while and think of ways to spend all the money I’ll be making off these sheep!”

    Lockdowns don’t work, masks are unnecessary except for the infected and those around them, and the U.S. has nearly reached herd immunity threshold! This virus is pretty much over in the real world but it will play on and on in the media and politics because it is an avenue to power for the sociopaths in charge!
    If you have any questions go to J.B.Handley’s site: jbhandley.com! He cites all the studies and REAL experts to show why the rest of the world is going back to work and back to school, while the U.S. politicos work to control their subjects and destroy our economy! WAKE UP!!

  34. With regard to Fauci, the optics of him being allowed an entire stadium to himself, wife and friend was terrible and displayed for all to see his venality. That is enough for me.

    I have been trying to explain to as many people as will listen, that in the past thirty years the population in the U.S. over 85 years of age has grown twice as fast as the population over all. There are 6.6 million U.S. citizens over the age of 85 and almost all have some comorbidity. This was a perfect circumstance for a pandemic in which the elderly are the most vulnerable targets. Of course, idiots respond with “but why does Japan not have the same issues?” It takes a pretty small intellect to not notice that Japan is not the U.S. and Japanese are not Americans — different lifestyles, different diet, etc. My point is that we spent a fortune over decades, to produce a perfect situation by which we would be criticized for not doing enough to stop a pandemic. At any rate, in the early stages of this pandemic in the Northern world the countries having the worst time with deaths were those whose over 65 cohort were 16% to 25% of total population, horrendous errors of judgement in management notwithstanding. At this point now countries with less than 10% over 65 cohort are rapidly catching up.

    Next, what about HCQ, masks, lockdowns, etc? If we discount the utterly idiotic argument that a drug taken in a billion doses a day around the world has suddenly become deadly, the next most common argument against the use of HCQ is that it hasn’t been proven effective in a gold-standard trial. I agree; even Stella Immanuel’s results of 315 patients without a death could be the result of chance. However, if gold-standard tests are demanded, then what gold-standard test ever suggested that a lockdown of a modern, highly interconnected economy is reasonable or effective? Even worse are that randomized clinical trials showing that masks have a insignificant impact of the spread of colds and the flu are now discounted completely because everyone “knows” that masks are effective. Dr. Fauci uses the word “science” in the same way many government supported entities do, as a consensus of opinion — not as the result of learning gained through carefully designed experiments and studies.

    COVID-19 seems to have made us less bright, Fauci included; but the real problem here is that we went down an ill-advised path early that we now have trouble backing away from. Post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy in reasoning has taken an exalted place in our minds.

  35. “Why do you think the US has done so poorly in suppressing this pandemic compared with other rich countries?”

    I’ll field this one. It’s because our stats are wildly inflated to keep us afraid just long enough for Fauci and Gates to bring a vaccine to market. Then the stats will be fudged in the oppostie direction to “prove” that it works so the vaccine will become a perennial waste of public money every year.

  36. The story as I understand it is that the novel coronavirus has spread from on infected person in China to threaten everyone on Earth. In a few months. As long as there is one infected person somewhere, relaxing the containment protocols in any way will cause an immediate resurgence of it. It was pointless to destroy the world’s economy to contain a virus that is impossible to contain.

    Notice that the age to mortality graph of COVID-19 exactly parallels the age to mortality graph for heart disease. Heart disease kills far more people, and yet we accept heart disease deaths as the normal result of modern lifestyles. We’re just going to have to learn that acceptance for COVID-19, but on the way to the learning we’ll have destroyed the financial lives of tens of millions of people.

    Let’s face it: It is going to get a lot worse, and the worsening is going to be abrupt and profound. National economies are going to collapse, bifurcating into the solvent and the destitute. There may be widespread violence, as people who can’t feed and house themselves and their children give way to desperation.

    Just one example of the coming chaos: Airlines will have to be nationalized. There is not an airline in the world that is not hemorrhaging money. We cannot allow airlines to fail. Bailing out the airlines will be less than one percent of the expenditures needed to maintain even a pale shadow of social stability.

  37. The only County that did something that worked well was South Korea. They had K-24 masks or what is the Korea equivalent of the N95 masks. They have been exporting masks ever since. When the CDC was saying no to masks, South Koreans were wearing the good masks en mass. I know I was watching their news clips. This pandemic has been a botched job from the beginning of the Media, The tech Censors, the WHO, CDC, NIH and many of our governors. No one is looking closely at collateral deaths….. increased suicide rate, people who did not access emergent and elective care when they needed it due to the massive panic the media unleashed on the American people….and the general broken hardheartedness of the lock down for our seniors and our business owners. Where are all the mental health counselors and social workers… those people have been on a Federally paid vacation for months….. the dentists are working, the doctors who still have jobs are working…what about the mental health people? It’s too late to do a lock down now…. stick a fork in it’s done. But it’s not too late to take the stimulus money and give us K24, N95 or equivalent masks or make the available so we can buy them…. for crying out loud. The masks we are using now are crap. Governors that ruin their states should be concerned about re-election. I am a democrat and not a fan of Trump. But sometimes the opponent needs to win to bring sanity and justice to a party who have gone astray. Trump did that to the Libertarian republicans (yeah by the way) , now maybe it’s time for him to do it to the libertarian, Liberal and/or Marxist, Anarchist Democratic party.

  38. “If only we had locked down completely, then we would be 100% susceptible to the Wuhan virus in the fall when the election comes ’round and in the Swamp-caused panic we would be able to hide our election fraud against OrangeManBad!”

    • I read through this report and it was extremely thorough and very damning against those involved. If this is true and I have no reason to doubt the veracity of this report, then this entire COVID 19 scenario has been a manufactured crisis.
      Big shocker there….it is, after all, an election year.

      Having said that, we should now start with criminal proceedings against all agencies, politician, and medical personnel involved.

  39. The virus is over. Was it worth the drama? Here is what we know.

    1) 99% of those that have it, recover.
    2) The death toll is inflated and we won’t really know how many died until they have time to separate those that died “with” COVID from those that died “from” COVID exclusively.
    3) We don’t know how many people have had COVID because now we are counting “presumed” cases. One actual case becomes 17 through contact tracing.
    4) If we take the number of cases according to the CDC, then 1.33% of the U.S. population have (had) COVID.
    5 If we take the death toll according to the CDC, then 45/1,000ths of 1% of the U.S. population have died from COVID.

    Here in Montana we have had over twice as many die in vehicle accidents than have died from COVID. We did not shut down the road system in Montana.

    The “hair on fire reaction” to this has been the real disaster. As with all things….the government (federal, state, and local) have made a very manageable situation a thousand times worse. And I believe that many in the medical community are guilty of this too….including Dr. Fauci.

    • The virus is over? Tell this to the thousands in the U.S. getting infected every day.

      Until the human population reaches a “herd immunity” level (and it may never with this virus) or a vaccine is successful in preventing it, it won’t be “over”. If herd immunity proves to be impossible (because immunity might not last long enough to be effective) then the best we can hope for is a “steady burn” until a successful vaccine is widely available.

      Montana is a terrible example of how to control Covid-19 in densely populated areas. Montana IS essentially in lock down compared to densely populated areas just be being so sparsely populated. LOL (and yes, I am jealous)

      • Define infected. Do you mean tested positive? Do you mean tested positive with symptoms? Do you mean tested positive and asymptomatic? do you mean that you had it and recovered, Do you mean that you carry the antibodies? Do you mean presumed infected because somehow somewhere your co-worker from the 4th floor had tested positive and through contact tracing everyone in the building is presumed to have it because the air conditioning was working?

        Perhaps there are more cases because more people are being tested. Not because the virus is spreading. But you go ahead and be afraid that 45/1,000ths of 1% have died. And that includes those with various co-morbidities.

        Be afraid, be very afraid.

        But don’t be jealous…the nearest Walmart is 75 miles away.

  40. Man so comments get feisty around COVID in America. I’ve gotten similar heat on my blog. Lockdowns dropped the curve here in Italy. As an American Expat in Italy I wish I could fly my entire family here until America gets its act together and places community in priority.

    • So, what is stopping you?

      Why can’t you fly your family there? Sign ’em up, git ’em through quarentine and ship ’em over….

      Is it the money … I wish I had a crapload of disposable income too.

  41. To answer a question posed in the beginning, at the height of the mortalities in NYC, 65% of the Covid cases admitted into hospitals (far too many ending in deaths) were people who not only wore masks, gloves, did hygiene 39 times/day, etc., but who totally sequestered themselves indoors in their private homes. The percentage of people living in private homes in NYC is way less than 65%. Didn’t help a bit. This baby is INFECTIOUS.

  42. To lock down hard enough, you have to close your phone lines:
    **Our phone lines are closed in order to protect our customer service staff and our communities from the spread of the Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19). With staff limitations, please use our online Customer Service form for assistance and we will reply via email. Thank you.**
    https://www.hamiltonbeach.com/customer-service

  43. Faucci’s lockdown was a disaster.

    Firts, it came about because of an unverified data model from a modeler with a history of inaccurate models. More scrutiny later found that model to bogus, just as many of us expected.

    Next, Faucci, the FDA and various other bureaucracies and unaccountable bureaucrat swamp dwellers failed to examine the model and warn against taking action on unscientific claims. Many swamp-dweller heads should rool for this.

    Nearly 30 million Americans are now out of work. I can’t quantify how many millions would otherwise be employed if we hadn’t closed schools and declared millions of job as unessential.

    Adding to that, the radical anti-Trumper resistance used the lockdown to kill Trump’s reelection by destroying his biggest accomplishment – – an economy that benifitted the working class proportionally higher than any other economic class.

    Where was Faucci when the rabid Democrat statist governors kept extending the lockdowns long after successfully flattening-the-curve? When did he caution polotical leaders to follow the science regarding the extending the lockdown?

    As an aside, Faucci may remind people of a good-natured, pint-sized great uncle, the man is arrogant, dogmatic and not open to facts that would cause a thoughtful person the reevaluate the situation and adopt policy recommendations accordingly.

    As to the main topic about why we don’t have Covid under control, let’s circle back to the extended lockdowns. People have lockdown fatigue. People saw the hypocrisy of the medical establishment during the Juneteenth celebrations, George Floyd’s 2 funerals and and the ongoing protests and riots where hundreds of thousands did not follow proper protocols. These were for good causes, they say, and therefore prudent prophylactic measures were unnecessary.

    I have quite a bit more to says, but my job demands my undivided attention just now.

  44. We have ‘cure’ for covid. 5000 UI/day per person will correct the US general population’s Vitamin D deficient.

    The ‘science’ has been done. What I am saying is a proven fact. Not a theory or an opinion.

    In reply to:

    “According to Anthony Fauci, the USA has not beaten Covid-19 because the USA didn’t lock down hard enough.’

    Fauci comment is not correct. Fauci for some reason is not aware of the US population’s Vitamin D deficiency. And Fauci it appears is complete ignorant of the Vitamin D ‘research’ results, all which are in peer reviewed papers.

    If we correct the US population’s Vitamin D, deficiency our cells would have the specific modifications at a microbiological level that stops the coronal virus class of viruses from replicating.

    The chemical activated Vitamin D actives genes in our bodies which in turn modifies our cells to protect against cancer, dementia, virus attacks and so on.

    The chemical activated vitamin D turns on genes that add chemical modules that attach to our cells which have specific functions.

    It is exactly like getting microbiological upgrade at a cellular level to defend the body. These Vitamin D activated module additions to our cells, is the way our body, evolved, to provide protection for most common diseases.

    This is from measurement how Vitamin D deficient the US is. 42% of the US general population.

    Curiously 36% of the Australian population is Vitamin D deficient which shows people are Vitamin D deficient in very developed country in the world even sunny Australia.

    82% of the US black population, 68% of the US Hispanic population and 42% of the US general population have blood serum levels of the actived chemical which we call ‘Vitamin D’ less than 20 ng/ml.

    Prevalence and correlates of vitamin D deficiency in US adults.
    https://tahomaclinic.com/Private/Articles4/WellMan/Forrest%202011%20-%20Prevalence%20and%20correlates%20of%20vitamin%20D%20deficiency%20in%20US%20adults.pdf

    And….. It has been shown that:

    Those who have an active blood serum level Vitamin D less than….

    < 10 ng/ml, Very Deficient, Many Muslim women who wear full body cover, obese people, diabetic people (The Vitamin D deficiency is connected with causing diabetes and obesity), dark black people, most residences of nursing homes, people who work long hours in sweatshops and do not see sunlight, and so on….

    20ng/ml60 ng/ml, Optimum, 80% less ‘chance’ of dying from the common cancers, more than a 50 reduction in getting type 2 diabetes, almost elimination of type 1 diabetes, weight loss of 20 to 40 lb, significant increase in muscle mass, less depression, better balance, reduction in the occurrence of schizophrenia, clearer thinking, better focus, and so on.

    https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3585561

    Patterns of COVID-19 Mortality and Vitamin D: An Indonesian Study

  45. I found this article today:

    Opinion: Fauci Knew About HCQ In 2005 – Nobody Needed To Die
    http://www.nw-connection.com/?p=6147

    The Virology Journal – the official publication of Dr. Fauci’s National Institutes of Health – published what is now a blockbuster article on August 22, 2005, under the heading – get ready for this – “Chloroquine is a potent inhibitor of SARS coronavirus infection and spread.” (Emphasis mine throughout.) Write the researchers, “We report…that chloroquine has strong antiviral effects on SARS-CoV infection of primate cells. These inhibitory effects are observed when the cells are treated with the drug either before or after exposure to the virus, suggesting both prophylactic and therapeutic advantage.”

    This means, of course, that Dr. Fauci has known for 15 years that chloroquine and its even milder derivative hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) will not only treat a current case of coronavirus (“therapeutic”) but prevent future cases (“prophylactic”). So HCQ functions as both a cure and a vaccine. In other words, it’s a wonder drug for coronavirus. Said Dr. Fauci’s NIH in 2005, “concentrations of 10 μM completely abolished SARS-CoV infection.” Fauci’s researchers add, “chloroquine can effectively reduce the establishment of infection and spread of SARS-CoV.”

    —-

    Very strange times we’re living in.

    • Strange does not describe Fauci’s actions or times we live in. Strange is weird lights in the sky.

      Hiding medical ‘breakthroughs’ and not taking action on medical breakthroughs that could cut the US healthcare cost by 70% and cure covid, is not strange. It is evil. Evil is doing bad things.

      Pretending to be on our side, pretending to consider all options, and spreading Mumbo Jumbo/Lying studies to stop us finding out the truth about the deficiency and the HCQ cocktail.

      ‘Correcting’ starts with the public announcement of the deficiency, its effects, and its cost in lives and health. The problem is over time, this very big lie has become too big, too correct. People will be charged with criminal negligence resulting in death.

      There are two cures for Covid. The HCQ cocktail as soon as first symptoms appear for those who covid.

      The second cure is to correct the US population’s Vitamin D deficiency.

      Vitamin D deficient people (less than 20 ng/ml) are 19 times more like to die of covid than Vitamin D normal people. And Vitamin D insufficient people >20 ng/ml50% lower in Grassroots Health cohort with median serum 25–hydroxyvitamin D of 41 ng/ml than in NHANES cohort with median of 22 ng/ml

      There are 29 million people in the US who are suffering from type 2 diabetes. Type 2 diabetes is the leading cause of non birth blindness in the US and is also the reason for the majority of the non accident amputations in the US.

      This key study result that is six years old is the finding of how Vitamin D stops prostate, stomach, colon, breast cancers.

      https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/10/141022164052.htm

      Finally: Missing link between vitamin D, prostate cancer

      A new study offers compelling evidence that inflammation may be the link between vitamin D and prostate cancer. Specifically, the study shows that the gene GDF-15, known to be upregulated by vitamin D, is notably absent in samples of human prostate cancer driven by inflammation.

      The removed prostate gland were analyzed. The analysis of the removed glands showed that the patients who receive Vitamin D 4000 UI/day for six months, that their cancers had shrunk and detailed analysis of the removed prostate glands showed that the gene GDF-15 has responsible for the shrinkage of the prostate cancer tumors.

      It is known that the gene GDF-15 is responsible for stopping inflammation in the body and that inflammation is how cancers grow and get new blood vessels to form.

      The Medical industry did studies of supplements of Vitamin D of 2000 UI/day, that proved that supplements of 2000 UI/day are not sufficient to stop cancer.

      Vitamin activation of the GDF-15 is likely the explanation as to why a Vitamin D actived level greater than 60ng/ml and calcium supplements has been shown to reduce the incidence of breast cancer by more than 80%. A small woman can reach 60 ng/ml taking 4000 UI/day.

      This is the link to the woman’s breast cancer study.

      https://www.grassrootshealth.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/McDonnell-2018-breast-cancer-GRH.pdf

      The proportion with breast cancer was 78% lower for >60 ng/ml vs <20 ng/ml (P = 0.02). Third, multivariate Cox regression revealed that women with 25(OH)D concentrations 60 ng/ml had an 80% lower risk of breast cancer than women with concentrations <20 ng/ml (HR = 0.20, P = 0.03), adjusting for age, BMI, smoking status, calcium supplement intake, and study of origin.

  46. When is it going to start costing him and his family money? That is when the Chinese Disease will be declared as beaten. What a f**kbag.

  47. Has anyone seen Dr. Gupta, the CNN prop say anything good about HCQ yet?
    If he did he would be gone from CNN.

  48. On July 27, the Wall Street Journal reported many countries that seemed to have Covid-19 under control are now experiencing a surge in cases. Three Asian countries mentioned are Japan, Singapore and Australia.

    On the next the WSJ published a similar article about Europe.

    Earlier in July, new cases in Germany went from 300 a day to 800 on July 24.

    Spain went from 200 new daily cases to 2,000.

    The UK’s Boris Johnson proclaimed a second wave in continental Europe.

    France and Austria also saw daily cases rising. Greece as well. Many European countries now reimplementing restrictions.

    But if Dr Faucci says those countries did it right, who am I to challenge his opinions with facts?

  49. Lock downs DO work, if by “work” one means slowing down the infection rate. Just do a simple thought experiment where in ideal city everyone actually stayed in place behind closed doors, raised their own food in their rooms, and never physically interacted with others. Obviously the virus has no place to jump to and dies out.

    Of course real lock downs never even get close to this, but they do slow down the rate of new infections which is all you are trying to do. The “saving lives” isn’t because less people are infected (over enough time) but because you can supply sufficient health care to all critical care patients due to a flatter infection curve.

    I can’t argue about the economic value versus the lives saved…that’s a tough one. There is some kind of balance needed to be reached, but each and everyone of us likely has a different “value” for this. Needless to say, if you are doing more harm by enforcing a stricter lock down then good, you have to back off.

    If this virus were truly deadly (say over 10% death rate as opposed to under 1%), many people would suddenly see the need for a lock down. It will likely happen sometime in the future so use this as an opportunity to start learning lessons.

    • “but they do slow down the rate of new infections which is all you are trying to do.”

      Yet nobody can tell when and where these happened looking at the infection rates graphics.

      OTOH in France death rate increased significantly only after the lock down.

    • Yeah, OK, Robert, please tell me where I’m supposed to keep the fatted calf before I slaughter it? And won’t that scare the children in my neighborhood if they see me out in the yard, butchering the fatted calf?

      And considering the volume of food it takes to properly feed one adult over a month, never mind a year to 18 months, just where is this human food supply supposed to be planted????

      I hope you were being sarcastic, because your statement about “raising their own food in their rooms” has no basis in reality. It appears that you are, in fact, so out of touch with the reality of the size of a plot of land required to feed just one healthy adult, you may never regain “touch” with reality. For your information, just a garden veggie plot requires 5 acres for a family of five: 3 kids, 2 adults, outdoors, and plenty of water and a means of fertilizing the food grown. Now how do I know this? Because I grew up with a garden, there were five people in my family and we needed that much room to produce enough vegetables to feed all five of us through a 12 month period.

      Please, before you post a silly remark – ‘grow food in their rooms – don’t post it. You are ridiculous.

  50. Fauci must be removed immediately this a Quack doctor who has destroyed THE USA he has been wrong ABOUT EVERYTHING re viruses. Copy Mosher who has been wrong about everything re climate maybe WUWT may have to start censoring as Mainstream media is doing! My prediction this site will be shut down very soon prepare Mr Watts!!

  51. I just ordered a few years supply of face shields from China, so shall live long enough to hear the next Faux-ism.\

    Meanwhile I see current Netherlands public health stance is face masks worn by the general public are not demonstrably useful. The country only insists they be used when on public transportation.

  52. So Sweden the only Country that did NOT LOCKDOWN is now free of the disease no mortality hospitals empty, and other countries with eternal lockdowns eternal recurrence of the disease. This was a normal virus that is supposed to infect humans and grant them immunity what you have done with the lockdowns is prolong the pain and disease Mockton was wrong and so was Jo anne nova stick to climate issues you know nothing about viruses.

    • Sweden is probably the worst example of a country that anyone attempting to extoll the virtues of ‘no lockdown’ could possibly use. Sweden has had a terrible record of deaths per million population compared to its near-neighbours Denmark and, especially, Norway.

  53. Knowing that lockdowns do not work to eradicate the virus, extending the lockdown means that herd immunity will not be reached, not the virus will still be prevalent.
    This guarantees the virus will find it’s way into more nursing homes and actually cause death. Nursing homes need staff and carers. They will all catch it at some point, and introduce the virus into nursing homes. The only way to prevent deaths is to protect nursing homes as best as possible. And allow herd immunity to be reached as soon as possible.
    Delaying hers immunity will cause more deaths.

  54. https://aapsonline.org/more-evidence-presented-for-why-hydroxychloroquine-should-be-made-available-in-a-new-court-filing-by-aaps/

    “This week the Association of American Physicians & Surgeons submitted additional evidence to a federal court for why interference with hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) should end by the Food & Drug Administration (FDA) and the Department of Health & Human Services (HHS), in AAPS v. FDA, No. 1:20-cv-00493-RJJ-SJB (W.D. Mich.).

    “As confirmed by another recent study of thousands of patients at the Henry Ford Health System in Michigan, HCQ is both very safe and highly effective in treating COVID-19, reducing mortality by 50%,” AAPS informed the court in its filing. “Countries with underdeveloped health care systems are using HCQ early and attaining far lower mortality than in the United States, where [HHS and the FDA] impede access to HCQ.”

    end excerpt

    I found out today that my State, Oklahoma, is one of six States that do not restrict the prescribing of HCQ.

  55. Sweden leading epidemiologist so satisfied the country no longer even recommending masks be worn on public transportation. It seems they are not worried about a 2nd wave of WuhanVirus, unlike most elsewhere who kept populace segments at home with no chance of exposure until later – the 2nd wave hosts.

  56. This is a very good article on the Wuhan Virus:

    https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-07-thought-covid-respiratory-viruswe-wrong.html

    We thought COVID-19 was just a respiratory virus—we were wrong

    As you read this article think about the French doctor who found that HCQ could eliminate the Wuhan virus from the body in from six to nine days in the several dozen patients he was studying at the time.

    If you have access to HCQ you can rid your body of the virus in six to nine days, if the French doctor is correct, thus missing the 11th day and the 19th day of virus infection (see the article for why).

    Yes, the Wuhan virus is a nasty piece of work, and we don’t now know the level of infection that might induce long-term adverse health effects.

    One study found adverse health effects after infection even in people who had very mild symptoms. This may even affect children. Most of them don’t get sick with the virus but is the virus doing damage to their bodies even so? How long does it take for the virus to start doing serious damage once it is in the body? Shouldn’t we concentrate on eliminating the virus from the body as soon as possible using HCQ?

    Some people maybe shouldn’t be so eager for us to attain herd immunity. Getting there might put many people in serious danger now and in the future. The prudent thing right now would be to avoid this virus altogether until a vaccine is found. Acting reckless in public out of bravado or ignorance about the dangers of this virus is not advised.

    • That article is a good example of how mythology of viruses gets created by ignoring the damage medical treatments for the illness do.

  57. Fauci is a true example of Sowell’s Anointed
    The Anointed identify a problem
    To fix the problem, the Anointed propose a Grand Plan
    The Anointed dismiss all evidence that the theory behind the Grand Plan is wrong
    The Anointed assume that no good, intelligent person could possibly oppose the Grand Plan
    If possible, the Anointed will impose the Grand Plan on others (for their own good)
    The Anointed will never, ever, admit that the Grand Plan was a bad idea
    and also, if the plan isn’t working, then they didn’t go far enough
    I’ve seen it way too many times

  58. from a recent interview

    KERMIT: Dr. Fauci, we are seldom shown deaths, and instead this ever increasing hockey stick of accumulated cases. It really seems a little, over dramatic. Is this the best way to illustrate our progress?

    DR. FAUCI: I would not have chosen in the original TAR Summary to highlight this one curve – but we should not forget that the considerable uncertainty associated with it was shown . However it was always likely that this curve would be challenged from a scientific point of view – as is correct – as new data and different reconstruction methods are adopted . The conclusions regarding the reality of data masking have certainly not been overturned since then , however. In fact, many subsequent analyses seem to reinforce this. So do not let scientific development (and sceptic misinformation ) obscure this important message.

    KERMIT: The latest uptick of daily deaths looks foreboding but we aren’t hearing a lot of new personal tragedies. Weren’t deaths declining? What is happening?

    DR. FAUCI: I’ve just completed Mike’s Nature trick of splicing in newly reported yet old deaths retroactive to March and April — they’re reported on an accrual basis you know — adding in those old deaths to each new series for the last 4 weeks (from the 4th of July) to hide the decline.

    KERMIT: If I may sir, your comments after the recent coordinated takedown of America’s Frontline Doctors event by Youtube, Facebook and Twitter … was sort of vague. Is it not true that the doctors’ expressed opinions and especially the trials and studies they claim support these views should be heard in the spirit of ‘freedom of information’?

    DR. FAUCI: FOI is causing us a lot of problems in CDC and even more for Dave, as he has to respond to them all. It would be good if NIH went along with any other Universities who might be lobbying to remove academic research activities from FOI. FOI is having an impact on my research productivity. I also write references for people transferred out of BARDA like the whiny little snit Rick Bright. If I have to write a poor one, I make sure I leak my version of the truth in a phone call to the New York Times. I’m also much less helpful responding to members of the public who challenge me regularly than I was during that HIV mess. I’ve seen some of what I considered private and frank emails appear on websites. Issue here is blogsites have allowed these lockdown deniers to find one another around the world.

    KERMIT: Thank you for your remarks today. One last … you have been on record as saying that masks in public are effective and not effective. Would you care to explain your present thought process?

    DR. FAUCI: As luck would have it, these are precisely the trees that give the chance to build temperature records for most of the Holocene. I am confident that, before AD1850, they do contain a record of decadal-scale growth season temperature variability. I am equally confident that, after that date, they are recording something else.

    /s

  59. “According to Anthony Fauci, the USA has not beaten Covid-19 because the USA didn’t lock down hard enough.”

    yup.

    In dozens of huge cities across china a hard lock brought cases to near zero.
    a baseline level where contact tracing can work.

    what’s a hard lock look like?

    1. one designated family member can leave the house once or twice per week.
    2. everyone relies heavily on delivery. Delivery people must “sign” every package with their personal
    stamp ( to aid in tracing)
    3. masks.
    4. Quarantine the mild and asymptomatic cases.

    do that and you get to a low baseline within 15-20 days. A low baseline can be managed.

    Alternativel you can get to a low baseline the Korean way.

    1. Isolation of the mild and asymptomatic cases: Government took over buildings and converted them
    to isolation wards.
    2. Stopping meetings in congregate settings: churches, restaurants, bars, ect.
    3. masks.
    4. test and trace.

    If you do half measures, if you have poor compliance then your infection count will go down
    But not to a baseline level where you can do contact tracing and transmission intervention.

    half measures get you MORE damage

    • In dozens of huge cities across china a hard lock brought cases to near zero.
      a baseline level where contact tracing can work.

      Stating the farging obvious isn’t helpful is it? Is this China? Do we intern Muslims here? Do we kill political enemies of the State here? Do we weld people’s private homes doors shut here?

      Well if we don’t, what’s your fracking point?

      Haven’t heard you shoot your mouth off about Texas in a while. What’s the deal? No warning of dead kids? No more alarmism? Where’s the articles about the overrun hospitals? What happened dood? Did you make some hard predictions and they didn’t pan out?

      https://txdshs.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/0d8bdf9be927459d9cb11b9eaef6101f

    • Mosher, you are an idiot if you believe any numbers from China. I’ll be sure to skip your comments in the future, a total waste of time.

    • What STILL no comment on TX?

      Where’s the “way to go tx” followed by some soon-to-be-award-winning-weekend-dog-walker-turned-investigative-journalist alarmist decrying the state of the State’s hospital system?

      eh? where dood?? you there???
      hello????

      Here’s some comforting jams for ya: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLKb9Ms68ME

      I have kittens too.

    • And now, the rest of the story …

      Having a “low baseline” as a primary goal does not solve a problem.

      Advocating and utilizing a “low baseline” as a tool to solve an undefined problem is a bunch of silly shit?

      Half measures cause the same damage as do full measures with respect to the time line.

      This is not polio … it cannot be eradicated by half or full measures. Prior to critiquing the ‘measures’ one needs to have a full grasp of the desired outcome first.

      1) What is the desired outcome?
      2) What do we do to get there?
      3) How do we incorporate flexibility if the desired outcome changes, or if we find that our actions are detrimental to the desired outcome?
      4) Is it O.K. to lie about the desired outcome to fool others into cooperating with chosen actions?

  60. “There is no doubt in my mind the Chinese government could have stopped the outbreak in its tracks, if they had thought about other people rather than their own selfish short term interests. But we cannot undo what has been done.”

    weird

    when china welded wuhan shut on an 23rd I thought Trump would implement a total shut down of travel
    from China and any other infected places.

    Nope. why did I think he would demand a total shutdown?

    he thought that was a good policy for ebola

    “Trump said the US government “must immediately stop all flights from EBOLA infected countries or the plague will start and spread inside our ‘borders,’”

    https://www.instagram.com/p/uilOlRmhWP/?utm_source=ig_embed

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/495027187381460992?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E495027187381460992%7Ctwgr%5E&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.vox.com%2F2020%2F2%2F26%2F21154253%2Ftrump-ebola-tweets-coronavirus

    • why did I think he would demand a total shutdown? he thought that was a good policy for ebola

      So you would argue that Trump should’ve equated C-19 with Ebola on the 23rd of January? Why would you think he should do that? What other nation did that?

      The WHO sure didn’t think so:

      “The World Health Organization (WHO) emergency committee said on Thursday that it was not the time to declare an ‘international emergency’ over the new virus, although it was ‘an emergency in China’.

      Its 16-member experts’ panel was divided 50-50 on the issue, the WHO said, but had decided overall that it was too early because of the limited number of cases abroad, the efforts made by China to control the virus and the fact there was no evidence of human-to-human transmission outside of China.”

      https://tinyurl.com/qlytjdy

      No other nation thought so. Tell us why Trump should’ve thought so, i.e., why he should’ve equated C-19 with Ebola?

      • “the WHO said, but had decided overall that it was too early because of the limited number of cases abroad”
        Yes, on Jan 23. But on Jan 30 they decided that the time was right, and made the declaration.

        • Yes, on Jan 23. But on Jan 30 they decided that the time was right, and made the declaration.

          So you would argue that on Jan 30, based on WHO recommendations President Trump should’ve equated C-19 with Ebola?

          Why should he have made that connection?

          • “So you would argue that on Jan 30, based on WHO recommendations President Trump should’ve equated C-19 with Ebola?

            Why should he have made that connection?”

            That’s a good question for Nick.

            And it should be noted that President Trump introduced the China travel ban one day later, on January 31, 2020, against the advice of *all* his advisors, with the Democrats calling him a racists and a xenophobe for doing so. Now, he is praised for his early action and even the Democrats now say a travel ban was a good idea.

            We have a real leader in the White House today.

      • Tell us why Trump should’ve thought so, i.e., why he should’ve equated C-19 with Ebola?

        Is that crickets from the MoshManster? Come on dood step up to the plate?

        I mean, you said SOMETHING, is that all you’ve got? Here, lemme help, this is where Adrian Mann goes when he gets his smack-talking head handed to him:

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUngdGr1Fps

        Enjoy 🙂

    • China banned travel within its own borders, but allowed people to leave the country, thus spreading the virus to Iran, Italy and elsewhere. Had China admitted externally what was happening internally, there might not have been a global pandemic.

  61. If we hadn’t had five Northeastern States with death rates per capita higher than any single country on Earth, maybe we would have done somewhat better. New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Connecticut, and Rhode Island all have deaths rates per 1 million population that dwarf whole nations. Take those hideous numbers out of the nation’s averages, and we look a lot better.

    Fauci seems to forget that the US isn’t an autocracy wherein the Supreme Leader can shut down the entire nation’s economy and put people into enforced lockdown. I am so freaking tired of hearing people who should know better saying “If only the government had done this”, or “If only the government hadn’t done that,” as though we’re not a Constitutional Republic.

    You know what really doesn’t work to change people’s minds on a subject? Telling them how stupid they are for not thinking like you do.

    That works every time.

  62. Several European nations have been experiencing a rise in new cases over the last two weeks. Spain leads with over 3,092 new cases for today. Their numbers had been down to 200 to 300 per day since June 1st through to July 7th. Then this new rise in numbers has steadily grown to this new peak rate of over 3,000/day. France has also seen a rise in numbers, but they sometimes don’t report ever day which makes me wonder if they are keeping this quiet for the time being.

    One thought which comes to mind is that these nations which severly locked down may have only delayed the inevitable. In that case the answe, imo, is that the only way forward is to accept the fact that the virus will spread until some time in the future where herd immunity will kick in to drop the numbers for good. Meanwhile everyone, especially the high risk people, need to remain cautious until that future date where the numbers have declined significantly.

    Something else which I have wonderd about is will the newly awakening sun will aid in the fight by the end of this year or thereafter as sunspots return with this new cycle.

  63. ” I’m personally a fan of lockdowns”

    For criminals and infected people. Not healthy people that just need to get on with their lives.

  64. South Africa had (and still has) one of the toughest lockdowns in the world, with a total ban on booze and tobacco, and with an 8pm curfew (recently raised to 9 pm (Hooray!)). OK – our death rate isn’t like the US or UK’s, but it is STILL there, with no appreciable drop. All the lockdown actually did was to DESTROY our already shaky economy. Hardly any mining (but that is also because of labour laws), no tourism, no wine exports, and very little agricultural exports (fewer buyers). Right! So what has a lockdown done anywhere else? Any proof that locking down a whole country does any good? There are a couple of million jobless South Africans who might dispute that.

  65. The last I checked, which was last week, in the age group 0-14, almost three times as many have died of influenza vs. C19 since February 1 this year, and something like five times as many have died of pneumonia. But it’s Covid-19 we’re worried about, not the others.

    • Once a person is over a flu or pneumonia, do they suffer from long-term health effects afterwards?

      They do with the Wuhan virus.

      And we don’t know where in the infection the long-term damage occurs. In the first few days? After a couple of weeks? There are claims that people who had mild cases of the Wuhan virus are having detrimental health effects after they have gotten over the infection. Do asymptomatic people suffer long-term health effects? What determines all this?

      We have a lot to learn about the Wuhan virus.

  66. Some time between technician-resident level and master-of-the-medical universe level one has to stop relying on what one knows or can find out and rely on what one is told. Fauci went over (under?) that bridge long ago. He has been told wrong.
    Is he a pawn of Big Pharma? Maybe yes, maybe no. Upper managers tend to rely on gather sources around them with brown noses (is that still a politically correct expression?)
    I, a scientist/engineer, believe HCQ/zinc/Azithromycin should be available over-the-counter, should be tested on 3 to 12 year olds to see if it can be preventative (prophylactic), and that it may well be the cost-effective means , possibly with steroids, of tilting the world back to “normal.” Future historians will note that the Covid-19 lockdowns, imposed because of faulty computer modeling, were one of the biggest mistakes made in the history of mankind (gender-kind) .

  67. “In many countries, up to two thirds of all extra deaths occurred in nursing homes, which do not benefit from a general lockdown. Moreover, in many cases it is not clear whether these people really died from Covid-19 or from weeks of extreme stress and isolation’

    “Up to 30% of all additional deaths may have been caused not by Covid-19, but by the effects of the lockdown, panic and fear. For example, the treatment of heart attacks and strokes decreased by up to 60% because many patients no longer dared to go to hospital’

    “The often shown exponential curves of “corona cases” are misleading, as the number of tests also increased exponentially. In most countries, the ratio of positive tests to tests overall (i.e. the positivity rate) remained constant at 5% to 20% or increased only slightly. In many countries, the peak of the spread was already reached well before the lockdown”

    “Countries without lockdowns, such as Japan, South Korea, Belarus and Sweden, have not experienced a more negative course of events than many other countries. Sweden was even praised by the WHO and now benefits from higher immunity compared to lockdown countries. 75% of Swedish deaths happened in nursing facilities that weren’t protected fast enough’

    “In Sweden, the infections slowed down considerably even without a lockdown, and daily deaths now are close to zero. The evidence for the benefit of masks is still “very weak” and they might even be counterproductive. An introduction at this point in time would make no sense. The lethality of Covid-19 is between 0.1% and 0.5% and does not “radically differ” from influenza”

  68. The US is continuing to have a problem in suppressing Wuhan covid-19 because Democrats don’t want it suppressed they want it to Fester. This they think, will enable them to win the next election. Have you noticed the worst affected cities in the US are all run by Democrats and the most derelict and dangerous cities are also run by Democrats, this is not a coincidence this is a plan.

  69. Elimination is sheer delusion.
    Suppression is fantasy
    Control is possible
    Co-existence is the reality.

    Covid-19 is here to stay – forever…

    A reappraisal is coming – a seismic shift in the way Governments around the world are going to manage this. Between now and the end of the year, there will be a move towards a Sweden-style approach. They will concede.

  70. Although I’ve made several comments asking if Fauci might not be leaning towards Big Pharma (see latest Conspiracy theory:) https://civilianintelligencenetwork.ca/2020/02/12/george-soros-bill-gates-partner-with-china-on-coronavirus-drug/ , my main complaint about managers is who they do or do not listen to. (Trump good example.)

    Someone please! Ask this question:
    Since many lupus patients are taking (irregularly) HCQ, is there any statistical evidence that they contact SARS-CoV-2 (Covid-19 vector) any more or less often than non-HCQ users?

  71. Which options are the best to solve, ‘beat’ our covid crisis/problem?

    Hey I got an ‘idea’ what if the people could ‘see’ the options which are supported by peer reviewed data and then the people could pick the scientific effective options…

    There are medical issues/lies in our system which are known lies, which are sort of hidden from the general public using sophisticated Mumbo Jumbo, and which are ignored by those who control what is officially told to people.

    Australian Rules, The Big Lock Down Approach
    1. Lock down millions and millions of people. Threaten people with a minimum fine of $1600 and up to $11,000 fines for leaving home unless for essential services.

    As Melbourne has too many poor people in low income housing, Melbourne requires a curfew from 8 pm to 5 pm every night until September.

    When 59 covid positive cases occur in a low incoming Melbourne apartment building, quarantine the building, using 500 police walking about the building until September to insure no residence makes a run for freedom.

    2. Correct the population’s Vitamin D deficiency. 36% percent the Australian population is Vitamin D deficient. In the US 82% of the US blacks, 68% of the US Hispanic, and 42 percent of the US general population is Vitamin D deficient.

    The most severely Vitamin D deficient people in every country:

    Live in nursing homes, are obese, have type 2 diabetes (50% reduction in type 2 diabetes if the Vitamin D deficiency is corrected.)

    The super Vitamin D deficient folks have an actived Vitamin D level of around 10 ng/ml. Optimum is blood serum level is 60 ng/ml which reduces breast cancer incidence by 80%. Above 30 ng/ml reduces the incidence of covid death or serious covid organ damage by a factor of 19 as compare to those folks who have a blood serum level less than 20 ng/ml.

    3. Use HCQ triple cocktail to treat severely, Vitamin D deficient, covid positive as soon as they are covid positive. The virus starts in the throat where it stays for about a week before moving to the lungs.

    All night curfews and all day lockdown …. And the first lockdown does not work. Do it all over again and again and again and again …

    Australian City Implements Night Curfew to Fight Coronavirus

    https://dailystormer.su/australian-city-implements-night-curfew-to-fight-coronavirus/

    A state of disaster was declared in Australia’s Victoria on Sunday (Aug 2), with the local government implementing a night curfew as part of its harshest movement restrictions to date to contain the coronavirus.

    State Premier Daniel Andrews said that the new restrictions, to be in place for six weeks until mid-September, will allow only one person per household to go shopping once a day. Melbourne residents will not be able to go further than 5km from home.

    Melbourne, Australia’s second-largest city, is already under a reimposed six-week stay-home order, but it has been struggling to rein in COVID-19 cases. Record numbers of new infections of the virus that causes the disease were reported last week, prompting warnings of further restrictions.

    As we all know, it is actually a record number of tests.

    Australia has only had 208 deaths. That is the opposite of a crisis.

  72. Hey are you getting pressure to not talk about Covid? Are you being censored about Covid or the Vit. D research? Please, send me a note directly, if you want to talk off record.

    This issue needs to addressed. The problem’s structure, the issue’s structure, is what it is. It is simple in that there is a solution. And it is the same all over the world. My daughter worked as a nurse in the second largest hospital in Saudi Arabia and has worked in nursing homes, multiple hospitals. The patients are severely Vit. D deficient. Below 10 ng/ml.

    We have accepted lying about CAGW because of the climate issue’s complexity and our ignorance of the science why temperature is and does change. And some believe the green stuff is good, not damaging the env.

    The Vit. D population deficiency is different. There is now more and more than sufficient independent evidence to support the assertion that what is stated is ‘scientifically’ correct and proven beyond the doubt required to take action, there is only one side to the Vit. D deficiency issue from the standpoint of the US population who are independent of US medical industry.

    The observations support the assertion that blacks in the US are being adversely affected, by Vit D def. because they have dark skin.

    Blacks have been shown in peer reviewed studies to respond exactly the same to Vit. D supplements as whites.

    The woman, Carole Baggerly who forced/got money from US women, to fund the Vitamin D research to happen, starting her work in 2007, is based in San Diego.

    The research center, that was built with the Vit. D women’s money, is called Grassroots health.

    The Vit. D research mature, it is now absolutely unequivocal and is supported by piles of real life independent observations concerning the Covid death rate …

    That all supports the Vit. D peer reviewed papers’ conclusions.

    There is no conspiracy or possible commercial motive to push Vit. D supplements to stop diseases and or there is no altern motive to stop following all the the government’s rules for covid or to make up the data up that is in the Vit. D papers.

    I have links to every peer reviewed studies noted in this chart. We know 82% of the US blacks are Vit. D deficient.

    Black people are the ‘canary’ to show how Vit. D deficiency affects our health.

    Twice as many US blacks are dying from Covid, than whites.

    Three times as many US blacks are dying from Aids than whites. Three times more US blacks get HIV than whites.

    2 1/2 times more blacks are dying from prostate cancer than whites.

    And now we know from peer reviewed research that the Vit. D deficiency causes those ‘diseases’ or logically alternatively optimum blood serum levels of active Vit. D protects against getting those ‘diseases’.

    https://www.grassrootshealth.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/disease-incidence-prev-chart-051317.pdf

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/08/03/florida-reports-lowest-single-day-increase-in-coronavirus-cases-since-june/

    What is the ‘scientific’ reason why Florida covid death, is five times less, than the New York death rate for covid?

    Why is the Florida death rate for Covid 1.47% as compared to the New York death rate

    Florida is the sunshine state and the people in that state have high levels of actived Vitamin D in the blood stream while New York is cloudy and rainy ….

    And a large number of people live in Manhattan where it very difficult for white people and impossible for black people to get their daily UVB, if they do not take Vit. D suppls., in the summer and not possible in the winter.

    And

    “FL and NY have an identical number of per capita coronavirus infections but FL has 5X less per capita deaths,” Paul pointed out.

    Overall, the state has reported 491,884 total cases, bringing the mortality rate to 1.47 percent. There have been 27,366 recorded hospitalizations statewide, although hospital capacity is increasing statewide, jumping from 21 percent nearly two weeks ago to over 25 percent on Monday.

    82% of the US black population, 69% of the US Hispanic, and 42% of the US general population is Vitamin D deficient.

    Prevalence and correlates of vitamin D deficiency in US adults.

    https://tahomaclinic.com/Private/Articles4/WellMan/Forrest%202011%20-%20Prevalence%20and%20correlates%20of%20vitamin%20D%20deficiency%20in%20US%20adults.pdf

    4000 UI/day of Vitamin D supplements is required to raise the serum 25(OH)D of the entire population above 30 ng/ml.

    https://emerginnova.com/patterns-of-covid19-mortality-and-vitamin-d-an-indonesian-study/

    Patterns of COVID-19 Mortality and Vitamin D: An Indonesian Study

    Vitamin D Insufficient Patients 12.55 times more likely to die, blood serum 25(OH)D level from 21 to 29 ng/ml

    Vitamin D Deficient Patients 19.12 times more likely to die, Vitamin D blood serum level less than 20 ng/ml

    Vitamin D ‘normal’ for this study is 25(0H)D above 30 ng/ml.

  73. solutions rarely talked about:

    we should use all this fear to help people reduce their underlying conditions. ie; get out of the house, exercise, eat less, eat better, do all the things that help reduce inflammation in the body. scare people from a big mac to a salad with olive oil.

    Not just vitamin D, but add ionic zinc, elderberry, ECGC, querciten, etc.

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