University Appeal Upheld, Peter Ridd Loses – We all Lose

Reposted from Jennifer Marohasy’s website

University Appeal Upheld, Peter Ridd Loses – We all Lose

July 22, 2020 By jennifer

On 2 May 2018, Professor Peter Ridd was sacked by James Cook University for serious misconduct. It all started when he called-out his colleague Terry Hughes for falsely claiming healthy inshore coral reefs were dead from climate change and deteriorating water quality.

Ignoring the first censure in April 2016, Professor Ridd went on television in August 2017 and explained in an interview with Alan Jones and Peta Credlin why so much said and written about the Great Barrier Reef, including by scientists at the Australian Institution of Marine Science, is ‘untrustworthy’.

The interview was to promote a book that I edited, Climate Change: The Facts 2017. The book published by the Institute of Public Affairs, begins with a chapter about the Great Barrier Reef in which the orthodoxy on Great Barrier Reef science is challenged, in particular reporting on coral calcification rates. In that interview – that contributed directly to Peter Ridd’s sacking – the main argument was, and continues to be, for better quality assurance of coral reef science.

It is a fact that the Australian Institute of Marine Science refuses to release 15 years of coral growth data – because it contradicts the claims of high-profile activists that coral growth rates are in decline. They are not. But the false claims are central to their fundraising strategy. Never mind the truth.

The first finding handed down by Judge Salvatore Vasta back in April last year case concerned the photographs taken in 1994 that Terry Hughes used to falsely claim Acropora corals that were alive in 1890 are now all dead. Peter Ridd had photographs taken in 2015 showing live Acropora and the need for quality assurance of Hughes’ claims.

Judge Vasta found in favour of Peter Ridd and ordered that the 17 findings made by the University, the two speech directions, the five confidentiality directions, the no satire direction, the censure and the final censure given by the University and the termination of employment of Professor Ridd by the University were all unlawful.

Peter Ridd took on the institutions, and today lost in the Federal Court. The Judgement suggested his academic freedom was his personal opinion.

It was very significant that Peter Ridd won on the issue of academic freedom: that he did have a right to ignore the university administrators and continuing to speak out about the lack of quality assurance and explain how and why important scientific institutions had become so untrustworthy.

The University never accepted that decision by the Federal Circuit Court, and they have never conceded that Terry Hughes was wrong to suggest all the corals were dead, when a documentary has since been made showing them to be alive. Further, they have never supported any calls for the coral growth data to be made public.

Instead, the University appealed, and today the University won in the Federal Court. In the judgement, Peter Ridd’s academic freedom is portrayed as his ‘personal opinion’.

It is not Peter Ridd’s personal opinion that the corals are alive, and the Great Barrier Reef resilient to climate change. It is fact. I’ve seen the coral reefs whose health is contested with my own eyes: they are very much alive.

What is dead is academic freedom in Australia.

Universities should be understood by the judiciary as different from other workplaces because it is expected by the ordinary Australian that, on occasions, there will be vigorous debates on important and controversial issues. It is essential that academics can engage in these debates without fearing that the use of plain and colloquial English could end their careers.

Yet today, the university’s appeal was upheld on the basis Peter Ridd was un-collegial in stating plainly that his own university and the Australian Institute of Marine Science are ‘untrustworthy’ because of systemic deficiencies in their quality assurance processes. Further, it was mentioned that Peter Ridd did ‘satirise’ the university’s disciplinary processes in a personal email.

Today’s decision means that James Cook University, and other Australian universities, will continue to crush dissent and sack academics who campaign for the truth.

The truth is that coral reefs are resilient, and despite the fear mongering, refuse to die.

Australia’s universities may now be corporatist bureaucracies that rigidly enforce an unquestioning orthodoxy but it is the case that one day, when the travel restrictions are all lifted, you will be able to visit the Great Barrier Reef and see with your own eyes that Peter Ridd told the truth about the Stone Island corals, while Terry Hughes’ photographs deceive.

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The feature image at the very top of this blog post is of Premnas biaculeatus, an anemone fish, photographed at a Ribbon reef on the outer edge of the Great Barrier Reef in January 2020. There are still so many fish, and so much healthy coral where Terry Hughes has most recently claimed devastating coral bleaching. I SCUBA dived for a week and could find very limited coral bleaching. The underwater footage from this expedition will be made into a feature length documentary.

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Clyde Spencer
July 23, 2020 11:27 am

It would seem that the world is descending into another Dark Age, on many levels. Voltaire is surely rolling over in his grave.

Greg
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
July 23, 2020 11:43 am

The age of enlightenment is coming to a close. Get woke and go broke.

john harmsworth
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
July 23, 2020 12:06 pm

Defund the Universities!

Patrick Hrushowy
Reply to  john harmsworth
July 23, 2020 12:25 pm

+10

Joel Snider
Reply to  john harmsworth
July 23, 2020 12:27 pm

The time to have done that would have been twenty years ago – now we’ve let them corrupt a generation – AND bankrupt them.

Robert W. Turner
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
July 23, 2020 12:25 pm

The Tree of Liberty is hungry and thirsty.

commieBob
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
July 23, 2020 2:55 pm

Jane Jacobs called it. She compared modern ideologies to Middle Ages Roman Catholicism where

the dominant ideology prevented and discouraged people from finding rational and scientifically verifiable explanations and solutions.

Jacobs characterizes a Dark Age as a “mass amnesia” where even the memory of what was lost is lost.

It could happen.

The one ray of hope is that Jordan Peterson is on the mend and appears to be re-emerging in his full glory. He may be the one person who can motivate the masses back in the direction of the Enlightenment.

SMC
July 23, 2020 11:34 am

Is there a copy of the ruling?

Amos E. Stone
Reply to  SMC
July 23, 2020 12:05 pm
Craig from Oz
Reply to  Amos E. Stone
July 23, 2020 6:20 pm

Unfortunately I now find it a tad ironic that Jo still nominally promotes Freedom of Speech issues on her blogsite.

Jo, as some of you will know, has taken a side on the Wuhan Flu topic and is willing to strongly defend her point of view. However Jo’s argument seems to be that since she has virus education at tertiary level the entire virus needs to be dealt with using ‘text book’ methods.

The counter argument that text books are deliberately simplified in order to isolate and teach individual core topics and hence in the ‘Real World’ we use the ‘Real World’ solution of As Far As Is Reasonably Practical to deal with risk reduction is not tolerated. ‘Reasonably Practical’, in my part of the world at least, is the legal argument you will be forced to defend in court in the profession that pays my salary, but apparently not in the world of theoretical discussions about virus control.

Unfortunately I have found Jo’s blog has an increasingly hostile comments sections with Jo herself having her comments heavily ratioed* by her own readers with examples of deliberate misquoting and blatant strawman.

Hopefully once people finally accept Wuhan was not the literal apocalypse we were all fearing her blog will return to the very friendly and well informed venue it once was, but at the moment the signal to rant ratio is pretty bad.

*Ratioed : A term referring to the like to dislike ratio. More a YouTube term I believe. The theory is most people who like will ‘like’ a video or comment, but people who dislike will just leave because they were never interested in the first place. Hence a ‘dislike’ (or in JoNova’s case, a Red Thumb) can in real terms carry more weight than a ‘Like’. So to be ‘ratioed’ is to have a Like:Dislike of 1:1 or worse. 20:1 is normal, but 1:1 means in real terms that you have seriously misread the mood of your audience.

Jo, in her own Blog, has been getting very badly ratioed in her comments.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Craig from Oz
July 23, 2020 7:03 pm

I find myself less inclined to comment on her site because contrary opinions seem unwelcome. I can expect that from the legion of commenters with a diversity of backgrounds. However, I don’t think that it is wise for a blog host to take a strong stand on controversial topics. At least not without a large number of facts that are incontestable.

Editor
Reply to  SMC
July 23, 2020 9:10 pm

For people who’d rather not deal with Jo Nova, perhaps you’d prefer a link from Jennifer Marohasy,
https://www.judgments.fedcourt.gov.au/judgments/Judgments/fca/full/2020/2020fcafc0123

Oh my. It’s the same URL.

Please keep in mind the case is James Cook University v Ridd [2020] FCAFC 123 and that the issue is Industrial Law, not science. It’s not about Jo Nova, Jennifer Marohasy, or Henry Pool.

Earthling2
July 23, 2020 11:36 am

I am absolutely stunned that Dr. Peter Ridd has had the decision by Judge Vista overturned by the Federal Court. Judge Vasta found in favour of Peter Ridd and ordered that the 17 findings made by the University, the two speech directions, the five confidentiality directions, the no satire direction, the censure and the final censure given by the University and the termination of employment of Professor Ridd by the University were all unlawful.

It is a totally corrupt court that reverses the such a monumental decision about the very foundation of academic freedom and the pursuit of knowledge. This will just galvanize Dr. Ridd into the history books as one who was persecuted by evil doers in the pursuit of knowledge on past, present and future climate. This decision speaks volumes to how corrupt the judiciary has become, bought and paid for by wealthy, corrupt and evil manipulative forces. Shame on them.

Reply to  Earthling2
July 24, 2020 12:25 am

Yes very bizarre. The university code of conduct seems to override the union agreement(which detailed the intellectual freedom) , but the code doesn’t apply to JCU itself. And when their actions arent consistent with code or award, the university claims their position is backed by Common law.

climanrecon
Reply to  Earthling2
July 24, 2020 8:00 am

The Australian appeals court also upheld the conviction of Cardinal Pell, which was recently unanimously quashed by the High Court. Two cases don’t allow general conclusions, but the Pell case certainly suggests some judicial activism by the appeals court.

Kr00
Reply to  climanrecon
July 26, 2020 5:13 am

And that appeals court of Victoria under its current head has had 17 cases overturned by the High court. Victoria has been governed by a far left party for 16 years out of 20 and replace judges with activist lawyers from legal aid bodies. It’s truly a Marxist haven. Not a fan of George Pell, but his case was clearly a political hit job. It’s a worry when governments can put activist judges in place of law practitioners. Queensland has had the same level of left wing governments for decades. They subvert every level of society. It’s called Fabian socialism.

Trevor in Ontari-owe
July 23, 2020 11:37 am

Any possibility of appeal, or is the Federal Court of Australia like the Supreme Court of Canada?

commieBob
Reply to  Trevor in Ontari-owe
July 23, 2020 12:06 pm

A quick web search finds the High Court of Australia.

Reply to  Trevor in Ontari-owe
July 23, 2020 1:17 pm

Is there no route of appeal through the U.K. legal system, or was that lost when the House of Lords was replaced by the Supreme Court? I believe that at one time Canadians, Australians and New Zealanders had recourse to the British House of Lords, but I’m not a constitutional lawyer.

Reply to  JohnC
July 23, 2020 1:25 pm

Replying to my own question, it was the privy council not the House of Lords.

Rokdoktor
Reply to  Johnc
July 23, 2020 4:57 pm

Not any more – the High Court is the end of the line.

It's all BS
Reply to  Johnc
July 23, 2020 6:18 pm

You are correct, many Commonwealth countries could appeal to the Privy Council. But, with the passing of the Australia Act by both UK and Australian parliaments in 1986, the High Court of Australia became the only avenue of appeal from the Federal or state courts.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  It's all BS
July 23, 2020 7:59 pm

It was also when the Queen had her powers of Head of State abrogated.

Joel Snider
July 23, 2020 11:44 am

There is no justice in a progressive world – if they get a majority they simply behave like the fascists they are – unrepentant.

It applies all they way across the board, no matter where you find them.

July 23, 2020 11:49 am

The age of enlightenment and rationality is coming to an end.

Joel Snider
Reply to  Phillip Bratby
July 23, 2020 12:03 pm

Deliberately.

July 23, 2020 12:01 pm

Is there no Supreme Court in Australia?
This may be about Academic Freedom, but also looks like Australia needs a Whistleblower Law. Bummer.

LdB
Reply to  BobM
July 23, 2020 7:16 pm

It’s up to Peter if he wants to take it to the high court, he may restart a new crowd fund to do so. However that is at least a 3 year wait probably longer because there are a number of cases about state borders for covid control which are slated to be heard.

Ed Zuiderwijk
July 23, 2020 12:07 pm

James university is cooked. Real academics will avoid it like the plague. Even the Chinese will stop coming.

The court has brought the law into discredit. This verdict shows the judge(s) to be scientifically illiterate, facts being an ‘opinion’, which will reflect poorly on the profession and the legal system.

Harry Passfield
Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
July 23, 2020 12:42 pm

One all, so far. Best of three. Let’s hope Peter can get funding for the final match – while we wonder where JCU get theirs.

Firemann
Reply to  Harry Passfield
July 23, 2020 9:28 pm

JCU is paid by The Australian tax payer. They spent millions $ by now.

Rud Istvan
July 23, 2020 12:30 pm

I financially supported Peter initially. As a result, he has personally kept me posted. IF he decides to appeal, I let him know I will support him again—even more than at first.

Harry Passfield
Reply to  Rud Istvan
July 23, 2020 12:51 pm

Top man!

young bill
Reply to  Rud Istvan
July 23, 2020 2:43 pm

Me too

Mark Silbert
Reply to  Rud Istvan
July 23, 2020 5:47 pm

I’ve been in from the start and am still going to provide support.

Eamon Butler
Reply to  Rud Istvan
July 24, 2020 4:29 pm

Absolutely.

Jan E Christoffersen
Reply to  Rud Istvan
July 27, 2020 8:37 am

Rud,

I am with you. I would be delighted to fund his appeal again just as I have contributed to his earlier legal actions. We have to stand up for heroes like Peter Ridd. If we don’t, it will be like the Nazis in the 1930’s, who picked off individual opposition groups in Germany one by one because no one stood up for them.

Amos E. Stone
July 23, 2020 12:34 pm

Folks, I’m no lawyer, and have no legal experience beyond being involved in a couple of industrial tribunals, but…

This case is not about free speech, scientific truths or anything like that. It is a very specific appeal against a judgement that JCU ‘contravened s 50 of the Fair Work Act 2009’ by their actions. Maybe they did, maybe they didn’t – way beyond my pay grade. Perhaps someone else can comment on whether the original judgement left this hole for JCU to wriggle through.

The law deals with specifics and opinions on fine lines of interpretation. If I call my boss a fraud in public I may be provably correct in my assessment, but I may still be rightly accused of slandering her. The law rarely seems to look up to see if that makes any sense in the bigger picture, it seems to me.

Mr.
Reply to  Amos E. Stone
July 23, 2020 1:39 pm

Sadly Amos, I reluctantly share your observations on this.

This appeal judgement was delivered on the narrow considerations of “black letter law” as it governs S 50 of the Fair Work Act.

To take this judgement to a higher court for a counter-appeal means the matter is still going to be deliberated on the pros & cons of strictly legal interpretations of the Fair Work Act.

It's all BS
Reply to  Mr.
July 23, 2020 6:39 pm

As JCU has used s 50 of the Fair Work Act, they have probably done themselves a disservice by ensuring any future potential employees are aware of this. It may prove that the best and brightest will not seek employment with JCU if they are strangled by an employment contract. Time will tell.

Firemann
Reply to  It's all BS
July 23, 2020 9:30 pm

JCU is paid by The Australian tax payer. They spent millions $ by now.

Reply to  Amos E. Stone
July 24, 2020 1:54 am

“This case is not about free speech, scientific truths or anything like that. It is a very specific appeal against a judgement that JCU ‘contravened s 50 of the Fair Work Act 2009’ by their actions.”

yup not about free speech.

ridd was put on notice and violated the code of conduct, willfully.

he had every right to say

1. I question the analysis
2. here are the errors in the analysis
3. I have a different interpretation of the data
4. I think the analysis is flawed.
5. Here is why I think professor X is wrong, A, B, C, D

The code of conduct prevented him from talking trash.

“I dont trust professor X, his shit is garbage, dont trust that fraud,”

blah blah blah.

in short, the same crap that gets you moderated at some blogs, got him fired.

He had every right to say “The coral is Not dead”
The code of conduct prevented him form saying
“Dont trust my fellow worker when he tells you it is dead”

Fine distinction.

Michael Jankowski
Reply to  Steven Mosher
July 24, 2020 4:31 pm

Such a fine distinction that the original judgment had completely disagreed with you on every count.

blah blah blah,

Reply to  Michael Jankowski
July 25, 2020 12:42 am

“Such a fine distinction that the original judgment had completely disagreed with you on every count.”

I was on record ( and abused here) for suggesting that Ridd would be a loser in all this.

It is rather simple.

when they tell you to CLEAN UP YOUR LANGUAGE or else, you clean up your your language

There was NO issue with him saying that the science was wrong

There was an issue with HOW HE SAID IT.

jesus

Dave Fair
Reply to  Steven Mosher
July 27, 2020 6:14 pm

I wonder if JCU treated Rudd’s CofC violations the same as those of the in-crowd? It may be a way to blast through to the Australian Supremes.

When a CofC includes undefinable sustainability and social justice terms (as does JCU’s), is it a valid and enforceable mutual contract? Ambiguity is generally interpreted in favor of the less-powerful party.

Reply to  Michael Jankowski
July 25, 2020 12:45 am

How about obey the [REDACTED] rules?

your employer tells you to NOT TRASH YOUR CO WORKERS PERSONALLY

he could say “X is wrong”

he could not say X is a buffoon, dont trust him

you dont like those employer rules?

Quit

[C’mon, Mosh. Language. ]

Mark Hansford
Reply to  Michael Jankowski
July 25, 2020 4:28 am

Michael I too struggle with Steven sometimes but on this he is spot on. It may well be a loop hole that JCU have wriggled out of being held answerable, but Peter has only himself to blame in this small but significant part of his contract – because he decided to directly question in public a fellow employee of JCU.
Its a shame because he has every reason to be aggrieved and JCU every reason to be ashamed of their biased and unscientific behaviour. I doubt very much had he made his complaint internally that it would ever have been answered or for that matter brought to light to correct a blatant piece of misinformation.
JCU is just an extension of the attitude held by Universities whose principals are unwilling to stand up against vociferous and aggressive politics. Cambridge has done the same over Jordan Peterson and Oxford are in the process of doing the same to Cecil Rhodes.
Honest debate is dead in our modern Univesities it would seem, better to exclude your opposition rather than defend your position!

ironargonaut
Reply to  Steven Mosher
July 27, 2020 10:33 pm

Except his Union contract gave him that right. The University willfully entered into that contract but want to pretend it doesn’t exist. In otherwords, his boss agreed he could word it that way. Plus, most countries treat gov’t bosses differently then private bosses.

Richard from Brooklyn (south)
July 23, 2020 12:41 pm

The High Court of Australia is the best place to address major areas of legal policy (technically just ‘declaring the law as it is and always was’ but to the layperson is making law.
This issue is just the sort of thing that final appeal courts love.
My Australian legal colleagues would be best to assess the odds of success given the make up of the court and its history and I am sure Peter’s legal team is working on this now.
What can we do to help? Well, if the legal team and Peter decides an appeal is the go, then we can help fund it. I am up for that an I suspect I will not be the only one. I will double my contribution to the previous case. It will be needed.

MarkW
Reply to  Richard from Brooklyn (south)
July 23, 2020 3:10 pm

To avoid repealing ObamaCare, the US Supreme Court had to rule that the fines it imposed were both a tax in one section of the ruling, and not a tax in a different section of the ruling.

Modern liberals are willing to tie themselves into all kinds of logical knots in order to get where they wanted to go in the first place.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  MarkW
July 23, 2020 7:09 pm

MarkW
I think you meant “illogical” rather than “logical.” A contradiction is not logical.

MarkW
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
July 23, 2020 7:37 pm

I’ll stick with logical, as in attempting to use logic, even if poorly.

Mr.
July 23, 2020 12:48 pm

Interestingly, one of the judges in this case claimed environmental laws as one of his specialties.
Can you imagine what a cool reception he would have gotten from the enviro networking groups if he had exonerated Peter Ridd?

shortie of greenbank
Reply to  Mr.
July 23, 2020 6:23 pm

Smells like what happened in NZ several years back when NIWA were found cooking the books and the sceptics tried to get their money back. The judge had an ‘aweful’ lot of money tied up in ‘renewable investments’ and made the whole case a farce.

EJW
July 23, 2020 12:55 pm

He lost because he was not a team player. JCU did not argue his thesis of poor academic rigor, they argued his insolence. The Grand Climate (pick your screaming terror phrase) is a gravy train that rewards the grant getters that contribute to a university’s bank account and creed in the standing for the most virtuous and punishes those that attempt to break the veil.

Pillage Idiot
Reply to  EJW
July 23, 2020 3:33 pm

As Einstein pointed out, science is not a team sport.

HD Hoese
Reply to  EJW
July 24, 2020 8:34 am

In an American Scientist book review (Jan-Feb, 2020) about The Information Age Steven Sloman concludes “First we have to give up on the idea that we live in a free ‘marketplace of ideas’ that allows only the best to prevail. Information has to be regulated to make sure that it conforms to the facts. Second, human beings are too vulnerable to manipulation by misinformation to be able to sustain a democracy…..”

In the July 21 Wall Street Journal, Ph.D. candidate Elise Darragh-Ford suggest that in WSJ’s (July 13) previous opinion piece about academic ideology, that Lawrence Kraus is “… so often leveraged by those with a vested interest in maintaining the status quo.” The letter makes some good points, except putting faith in academic structure including tenure “…. frequently continue to offer sweeping protections to those in power.” If she gets tenure, she might find herself out of the frequent category from that change of status quo.

Dave Fair
Reply to  HD Hoese
July 27, 2020 6:21 pm

Sloman’s ” Information has to be regulated to make sure that it conforms to the facts.” assumes there is some sort of unbiased fact-giver. It is usually called censorship and is always biased. Also, there are those that assert “We believe truth over facts.”

David Bestwick
July 23, 2020 12:56 pm

Another victim of “cancel culture” unfortunatley

Mr.
July 23, 2020 1:31 pm

Can’t wait until the ‘protest-about-everything’ activists start demanding that the university ditch its name.

They are already vandalizing monuments, statues and ceremonies that mark Lt James Cook’s place in history.

To most of us who inhabit the sensible, civilized world, Cook was a great explorer and recorder who well earned his place in history.

But to the “cancel culture” morons, he was just another “white man”.

LdB
Reply to  Mr.
July 23, 2020 7:19 pm

Suggested new name is the BLM university of Queensland.

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Mr.
July 24, 2020 6:02 am

today online adel news runs item saying the aboriginals are distressed by ALL whiteys statues now
so we have to take em down so they arent emotionally harmed
no one could publish what my opinions of this utter…rubbish really are
but I am NOT alone in my views;-)

Gwan
July 23, 2020 1:40 pm

Defund the Universities .
Well said John harmsworth .
All over the world Universities are awarding useless degrees to students and the majority of the professors use their positions to push their own political agendas.
We continually get this or that professor quoting on the TV news touted as experts.
Universities have become businesses and they should stand on their own feet .
Peter Ridd has stood up to this bully culture and it has to be exposed .
Lets hope that this case can be appealed in a higher court .
The truth is on Peter Ridds side .
Graham

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Gwan
July 24, 2020 6:05 am

a lot of our unis run on chineses and otheros students
so Covids a bonus as theyre firing staff and shutting down many courses
and really under pressure income wise
couldt happen to a more deserving bunch of marxists/socialist/snowflake factories
kids might have to get a real job…lol

Luis Reis
July 23, 2020 1:48 pm

Reputation took over truth.

Philip
July 23, 2020 2:20 pm

It’s not just Peter Ridd or even JCU. Other casualties of the cancel culture include Carter, Salby, and most recently 1000frolly.

https://twitter.com/1000Frolly/status/1282620229399359488

The disgraceful behaviour reflects a universal descent of Australian education into the intellectual abyss. Without freedom to question, there can be no intelligent discourse. And without that there is no enlightenment. The established pattern makes clear that education in Australia has been reduced to indoctrination.

The truly appalling side of this disgraceful behaviour is its endorsement by Australian courts, the very institutions responsible for protecting society against such behaviour and in disregard of laws that were enacted to do so.

https://mlsxmq.wixsite.com/salby-macquarie/page-1f

Through their support, the ultimate loser is the Australian public – by undermining its future.

MarkW
July 23, 2020 3:04 pm

Never forget that judges are political appointees, and they will always find a way to do what those who pay them want done.

sonofametman
July 23, 2020 3:08 pm

I supported (modestly) Dr. Ridd in the first round of his battle against the insanity.
In round two , I didn’t feel able to contribute, as I’m not exactly well off, and Dr. Ridd , despite his sacking, will still have a pension I could never dream of.
But, now I’m angry. The rotters (no offence to Charles) need to be hammered.
I’ll happily contribute to round three.

Solomon Green
Reply to  sonofametman
July 26, 2020 11:33 am

If his legal team advise him that he has a good case and if he has the strength to go through with it I will contribute much more than than I did the first time round to make up for not contributing last time.

What I would like to know though, is what Dr Ridd is doing these days. Is he still in academia or has JCU managed to destroy his career? Are there no other universities or scientific institutions with the guts to offer him a position.?

Mr. Mosher may be right that this is a matter of law and not science. But what does it say for universities worldwide if they are so beholden to one unproven hypothesis, no matter how widely accepted, that they will not offer support to a scientist with the expertise, courage and integrity to point out that “evidence” supposedly supporting that hypothesis has been misstated.

July 23, 2020 3:43 pm

It will probably take an act of Parliament to right the wrong, by modifying the law.

The modified law should include a section abrogating court case outcomes that depended upon the deleted portion of law. Perhaps Peter should be talking to his MP, as part of his strategy.

July 23, 2020 3:45 pm

“I’ll happily contribute to round three”. Me too. Apart from the obvious principles at stake, contributing to this battle is work-related expenses. I live and work in the same city. If JCU wins, it is bad news for almost everyone here, but there are others who will gleefully capitalise on a JCU win at the High Court.

July 23, 2020 3:46 pm

Start our own free universities, beat them with science.

LdB
Reply to  Hans Erren
July 23, 2020 7:20 pm

Hey look on the bright side if we keep International students out for a year or so all these 2nd tier universities will collapse.

Izaak Walton
July 23, 2020 4:40 pm

This ruling should not come as a surprise to anyone. Large companies can afford to pay top
lawyers to write contracts that allow them to fire people whenever they like within the letter of
law. The court is ruling on matters of law not on whether or not the University should have fired Prof. Rudd.

Sara
July 23, 2020 6:44 pm

Aside from cash, what did the university think it would gain by lying about dead corals?

Robert Austin
Reply to  Sara
July 23, 2020 7:11 pm

Thriving corals are not going to make the news or draw big grants. Alarmism = money + fame.

LdB
Reply to  Sara
July 23, 2020 7:36 pm

It’s all about the cash it’s a business with the main model based around the international student market.
It already has a history of Scientific misconduct on the reef with Oona Lönnstedt found guilty of fabricating data.
Misconduct section of it’s wikipedia entry
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Cook_University

Antonym
July 24, 2020 12:09 am

The health is the Great Barrier will prove Peter Ridd’s point, and the Crookedness of C_ook college.

July 24, 2020 12:16 am

This is a real kick in the teeth for Judge Vasta as well. I wonder what he thinks of the appeal.

knr
July 24, 2020 1:32 am

Even in this judgement it is clear that he was right and they were wrong , but that he was ‘impolite’
So much for ‘science ‘

William
Reply to  knr
July 24, 2020 6:53 am

So much for Australian law.

Ron Long
July 24, 2020 3:31 am

This bad turn of events with Prof. Ridd is Upsetting! There needs to be a new University dedicated to Reality, not my feelings are more important than the truth.

ResourceGuy
July 24, 2020 5:39 am

What a barbaric country. Add it to the mostly not free list of countries.

J. C.
July 24, 2020 7:32 am

This is yet another example that courts are a waste of money and time. We all should just agree to a flip of a coin. Political activism in courts is everywhere.

Steve Oregon
July 24, 2020 8:15 am

With all of the left spewing their nonsensical calls for various justice movements (social justice, climate justice etc.) in truth justice itself needs justice.
Justice 4 Justice
And I live next to Portland, Oregon area where lawlessness has become the official means to all Progressive Justice.
What a mess.

Chris Hoff
July 24, 2020 9:51 am

It’s the slow march through the institutions. In the end, it won’t matter how many facts and logical arguments are on your side. All the judges, lawyers, professors, politicians, police, military officers, will be progressives and all wrong thinkers purged out. It matters not how severely reality batters them over the head.

Thomas C Van Eaton
July 24, 2020 10:39 am

I am glad that I sent money to this cause and will continue to fight against censorship when ever I can. I take comfort that eventually the truth will win out.

Len Werner
July 24, 2020 10:44 am

A couple of decades back I attended one of the APEGBC ‘continuing education’ seminars on Contract Law. One engineer asked a hypothetical-situation question of one of the presenter lawyers; she thought for some 10 seconds, and then replied “I think I could win that one for you, but it would take a LOT of money’.

That, plus a few other observations through life, have taught me that the law is NOT ‘The Law’; it is an opinion. And if you have enough money, and/or influence, you can buy and/or obtain the opinion you desire.

It is possible that there is no application or decision of actual ‘law’ here. That said, I think Steven Mosher’s point above requires some serious consideration.

Mickey Reno
July 24, 2020 3:32 pm

This is extremely disappointing. So the gaslighting lives on. It’s credentialed perpetrators bank more and more bad karma, earn more and more of the hostile backlash that must eventually come their way as objective reality diverges from their increasingly ridiculous political, self-serving narratives.

Kr00
July 26, 2020 5:19 am

My question is, if Professor Peter Ridd was employed by the university for his expert opinion on reef science, wouldn’t his personal option be an expert opinion?

Kr00
Reply to  Kr00
July 26, 2020 5:19 am

*Opinion* Typo