Site Move Cancelled

We ran into many frustrating problems attempting the site move at this time. Moving a site this large is a formidable task. After days of repeated failure by tech support and paid consultants, we are stepping back from the move for now.

Please do not swarm us with suggestions. We will be examining alternatives and will reach out for assistance when needed.

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Mike Smith
July 23, 2020 11:36 am

We wish you the best of luck with your search for a new host. I do appreciate the magnitude of the challenge.

ggm
Reply to  Mike Smith
July 24, 2020 7:18 am

Andrew – shout out if you need donations to help with the costs.

ggm
Reply to  ggm
July 24, 2020 8:32 am

By “Andrew”, I meant Anthony !!

J Mac
July 23, 2020 11:50 am

“A swing… and a miss.”
Batter steps outta the batter’s box, knock the cleats out, and takes breather.

Hang in there, WUWT Team! We truly appreciate your efforts! Through perseverance, solutions will be found.

Philip
July 23, 2020 11:57 am

Best of luck with the search. Some of us have ideas, but I am sure you and your team do too.
If it turns out that you need help there are a few of us more than willing to help.
Don’t be too shy to ask 🙂

July 23, 2020 12:15 pm

We then, let’s get back to exposing the multitude of Climate Change scams and its billionaire GreenSlime backers.

Mr.
July 23, 2020 12:21 pm

Did the software guys blame the hardware, and the hardware guys blame the software?
(Which is standard protocol 🙁 )

Henry Pool
Reply to  Mr.
July 23, 2020 1:48 pm

You are showing your age “Mr.”

In today’s world of hypervisors, configurable instances, virtual switches and disk measured in petabytes, the “issue” isn’t hardware.

Your “standard protocol” was retired 20 years ago.

PaulH
Reply to  Henry Pool
July 23, 2020 3:34 pm

Yup, nowadays it’s all about getting various black boxes to communicate with one another across the network. So, don’t blame the hardware and/or software guys. It’s the fault of the (probably low-paid) guy who adjusts the database that manages the black boxes. 😉

Henry Pool
Reply to  PaulH
July 23, 2020 9:19 pm

PaulH, a good DBA these days is not low paid.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Henry Pool
July 23, 2020 3:59 pm

As long as hardware exists, it will be an issue, the same way software will always be an issue. You’re showing your ignorance.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
July 23, 2020 4:20 pm

Exactly!

John Endicott
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
July 23, 2020 4:30 pm

Just add it to the long list of things Mr Pool shows his ignorance of. Pretty much every post he makes shows his ignorance of yet another subject.

Henry Pool
Reply to  John Endicott
July 23, 2020 9:18 pm

Endicott……today’s hardware usually has a bunch of red leds in various places. When they are lit up, they indicate a problem. Like when one of the two power supplies in a box is fails. The box runs in degraded mode. and beeps. Or like when a disk drive in a RAID array goes offline and lights up the red led. Usually the RAID controller beeps too. Pretty fool proof these days. Most of the hardware in operation today has built in redundancy that allows the system to continue operation in a “degraded” state. Even RAM modules have ECC.
….
Jeff and Patrick…….both of you don’t have experience with state of the art hardware.

James A. Schrumpf
Reply to  Mr.
July 23, 2020 3:47 pm

How many software engineers does it take to change a light bulb?

Another Doug
Reply to  James A. Schrumpf
July 23, 2020 6:40 pm

None.

Henry Pool
Reply to  Another Doug
July 23, 2020 9:11 pm

Correct, software engineers work in the dark, and don’t care about light bulbs.

jlc
Reply to  James A. Schrumpf
July 24, 2020 5:26 am

The light bulb works perfectly on the system in my office.

Bob ernest
Reply to  Mr.
July 23, 2020 4:49 pm

And both blame the network guys 😂

Jim Whelan
Reply to  Mr.
July 23, 2020 5:01 pm

As a software engineer I can guarantee you that any such problem is a software problem. The only hardware problem would be the bandwidth required to transfer a large volume of data and that’s basically just a time problem.

Henry Pool
Reply to  Jim Whelan
July 23, 2020 9:09 pm

+1 Jim……. (I’m the hardware/network/systems guy)

Reply to  Jim Whelan
July 23, 2020 9:50 pm

If BW is an issue, dump the data on to one or more SSD’s and physically move the drives. I don’t think BW was the problem. Comments are blocked on all posts after a couple of weeks, so old stuff can be transferred well ahead of time and it will never change. Assuming the system was already up and running on the new host, the only down time would be when transferring the last few weeks of posts and comments. Configuration issues, database incompatibilities and provisioning are all likely culprits.

Gunga Din
Reply to  co2isnotevil
July 24, 2020 6:15 am

Mr. Layman here,
If I remember correctly, WUWT is a “cloud based” system.
I don’t think there is a physical place to move the drives too.

Reply to  Gunga Din
July 24, 2020 7:30 am

There’s always a somewhere in a data center where you can plug in a laptop or removable drive and copy the contents to the cloud. There’s nothing mysterious about a cloud which is just another name for a collection of servers that share tasks and space.

Gunga Din
Reply to  Gunga Din
July 25, 2020 6:45 pm

You’re right, of course.
But where is it and how accessible would it be?

(I suggest we don’t wade in any further. The deep end of the Pool is already full of …)

Rud Istvan
July 23, 2020 12:26 pm

My precious financial backstop offer is still good, despite this disappointing outcome.

Rud Istvan
Reply to  Rud Istvan
July 23, 2020 3:30 pm

Precious==>previous. Darn stupid spell check.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Rud Istvan
July 23, 2020 7:16 pm

Rud
But, “Precious” has such a ring to it! 🙂

Henry Pool
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
July 23, 2020 9:07 pm

JD from Harvard is “precious”…..

jorgekafkazar
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
July 24, 2020 4:13 pm

“…my precioussss!”

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  Rud Istvan
July 24, 2020 3:48 am

By my thing is, I misread “precious” as “previous”.
Almost surely because that is the word one would expected in that context and that sentence.
When I saw it was precious, I assumed it was a typo.
C and V are right next to each other, after all.

Henry Pool
July 23, 2020 12:28 pm

If you can’t “move” the site, I feel sorry for you. It means you don’t have a viable backup procedure in place.

Pat Frank
Reply to  Charles Rotter
July 23, 2020 1:16 pm

Henry’s stock in trade, Charles.

Henry Pool
Reply to  Pat Frank
July 23, 2020 2:20 pm

Stick to chemistry Mr. Frank, and leave information technology to the professionals.

MarkW
Reply to  Henry Pool
July 23, 2020 2:57 pm

That leaves you out.

Henry Pool
Reply to  Henry Pool
July 23, 2020 9:06 pm

MARKW, what is your profession?

Henry Pool
Reply to  Charles Rotter
July 23, 2020 1:44 pm

Don’t worry Mr. Rotter no conjecture involved, with over 30+ years of experience in the field I know how these projects pan out.

MarkW
Reply to  Henry Pool
July 23, 2020 2:58 pm

So many claims, so little actual evidence.

Henry Pool
Reply to  MarkW
July 23, 2020 3:40 pm

The evidence is in plain sight. The “move” of WUWT is not going smoothly.

John Endicott
Reply to  MarkW
July 23, 2020 4:32 pm

Add so little evidence of reading comprehension to the long list of things there’s no evidence that Mr Pool understands.

MarkW
Reply to  MarkW
July 23, 2020 4:38 pm

Hank, let me see if I have this straight, according to you, the fact that WUWT’s move is not going well, proves that you are an IT expert?

Henry Pool
Reply to  MarkW
July 23, 2020 6:00 pm

MARKW the fact that WUWT’s move is not going well, proves it’s not being done by seasoned professionals.

MarkW
Reply to  MarkW
July 23, 2020 7:23 pm

Hank, that wasn’t the point of my post.
Try actually reading for once.

MarkW
Reply to  MarkW
July 23, 2020 7:24 pm

Beyond that, Hank actually believes that “seasoned” professionals never encounter problems. That just further proves that Hank has never been near an IT department.

Henry Pool
Reply to  MarkW
July 23, 2020 8:52 pm

MARKW says: “believes that “seasoned” professionals never encounter problems.”
..
Nope…..seasoned professional solve the problems they encounter. That’s why they are considered “seasoned.” That’s why they can survive decades in the business.

Henry Pool
Reply to  MarkW
July 23, 2020 8:59 pm

Let me explain it to you Mr. MARKW so that an “unseasoned” person like you would understand.

Professionally, when a web site, or a web service is “moved” from one place to another it is done in several phases. Phase one, the new site is brought up. Phase two the data is loaded into the new site. Phase three the new site is tested. Phase four the new site is verified. Phase five the original and the new site are run in parallel for a period of time. Finally phase six cuts the DNS.

The move of WUWT did not get past phase three.

Now when have you gone live on a site you were moving without passing phase three? I assume your anser is “never” because all of this is beyond your field of experience.

Henry Pool
Reply to  MarkW
July 23, 2020 9:03 pm

When a website is moved and/or cut to a new environment, if it is done in a “professional” manner, the users will never be aware of it happening.

Additionally, when the cut happens, the professionals cut down the TTL on DNS prior to the cut so that a fail-back can happen within seconds, and not suffer from cached DNS entries.

Making the cut invisible is key to success.

MarkW
Reply to  MarkW
July 24, 2020 10:04 am

Boy, Hank sure does get his panties in a wad when people point out to him how little he actually knows.

ATheoK
Reply to  Henry Pool
July 23, 2020 7:20 pm

“Henry Pool July 23, 2020 at 1:44 pm
Don’t worry Mr. Rotter no conjecture involved, with over 30+ years of experience in the field I know how these projects pan out.”

Ha ha haha haha hahahaha!

What did you do during those decades?
Turn the monitor on?

When ignorant and in doubt, double down…
Pathetic and an utter failure.

Henry Pool
Reply to  ATheoK
July 23, 2020 8:50 pm

“What did you do during those decades?”

Earned a good living in the IT business.

How about you?

Henry Pool
Reply to  Charles Rotter
July 23, 2020 1:51 pm

Also Mr. Rotter, the “paid consultants” get paid by the hour, regardless of success or failure. They are in a win/win situation.

Henry Pool
Reply to  Charles Rotter
July 23, 2020 2:29 pm

You obviously need to find better “consultants.”

MarkW
Reply to  Charles Rotter
July 23, 2020 2:58 pm

He doesn’t pay himself to be humble.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Charles Rotter
July 23, 2020 3:03 pm

Hey Henry
Ever wonder if you might be doing something wrong when everyone is firing on your target?

No, of course not.

Henry Pool
Reply to  Charles Rotter
July 23, 2020 3:23 pm

find some humility

Mr Rotter, humility does not help someone knee deep in a information technology quandary. Track records speak for themselves.

John Endicott
Reply to  Charles Rotter
July 23, 2020 4:33 pm

And your track record of ignorance, and arrogance speaks loud and clear.

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  Charles Rotter
July 24, 2020 4:00 am

Rich,
You should know that counting the number of people o n the various sides of an argument or debate is always the very worst way to draw any factual conclusions about the topic at hand and who may be right.
If you never heard anyone point that out, let me be the first.
And I do not care how many people show up saying I am wrong about this.
A show of hands is how politics is decided.
Voting contains no information regarding veracity.

Reply to  Henry Pool
July 23, 2020 4:13 pm

Mr. Pool. They quoted the “job” – fixed price. Not by the hour.

They bit off more than they could chew with 13 years of content.

Please do refrain from uninformed conjectures.

Henry Pool
Reply to  Anthony Watts
July 23, 2020 5:27 pm

How many terabytes of data is “13 years?”

MarkW
Reply to  Anthony Watts
July 23, 2020 7:25 pm

Hank feels proud of himself because he knows what a Terabyte is.

Henry Pool
Reply to  Anthony Watts
July 23, 2020 8:48 pm

MarkW you remind me of an ankle biter. Did you know that 40 bits of addressing to the byte will cover a terabyte? Or that a 32 bit 256-byte sector address will encompass a 1TB disk? ROTFLMAO @ MARKW

tsk tsk
Reply to  Anthony Watts
July 23, 2020 9:33 pm

MarkW you remind me of an ankle biter. Did you know that 40 bits of addressing to the byte will cover a terabyte? Or that a 32 bit 256-byte sector address will encompass a 1TB disk? ROTFLMAO @ MARKW

No disc uses 256 byte sectors. Few still use 512 (think final generation 10k) and many of those are virtual. Sector size has been 4k for quite some time (decade+) due to improved format efficiency for rotating storage and paging efficiency for flash.

Sounds like you’re confusing file system architecture with actual hardware.

MarkW
Reply to  Anthony Watts
July 24, 2020 10:06 am

Hank actually believes that two bits of information that can easily be found on the web proves that he’s the expert he’s been claiming to be.

Pointing out your many grievous errors makes me an ankle biter.
Then what do your groundless claims about others abilities make you?

Sara
Reply to  Henry Pool
July 23, 2020 6:35 pm

Terabytes??? Are you really that out of date, Henry?

You’ve never heard of zettabytes, have you?

What a pity.

Terabytes…. okay, what-ev-er.

Henry Pool
Reply to  Sara
July 23, 2020 6:59 pm

Sara/Rotter, the entire 2010 edition of the Encyclopedia Britanica fits into 4.2 GB.
..
My 1TB SSD drive in my laptop can hold 200+ copies of this encyclopedia.
..
You can get a 5TB USB disk these days for less than $120.

Now, tell all of us here that 13 years of posts and comments are more than 1000 copies of the Encyclopedia Britanica.

Bryan A
Reply to  Sara
July 23, 2020 8:35 pm

Judging by the size of the website…more likely Terrorbytes

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  Sara
July 24, 2020 4:22 am

As of 2017, all of Wikipedia was something like 58 GB and could be downloaded very easily to a $9 (today’s prices) flash drive.
No opinion on any other point being argued here.

But there are plenty of people who think they know what they are talking about, but do not, on any topic one might care to name.
Adding up votes sound comp!located to anyone?
Recall the primary fiasco last Winter?

Sara
Reply to  Sara
July 24, 2020 4:47 am

So what, Henry? My 1TB back up SSD holds a lot of stuff, too, but that does not mean that, unlike you seem to be, I or anyone else OTHER THAN YOU, HENRY, am unaware of the demands for storage space that online accounts demand.
Yes, I can transfer the entire contents of my HDD to a 2TB jump drive for safety’s sake (in case a nuke goes off somewhere), but there’s a VAST difference between the data storage requirements for an online spot such as WUWT and what’s on your desktop.

Computer graphics, for example require enormous storage space, and the “terabyte” space won’t even meet that need, especially for animation. The images shot for the remake of “Lion King” took up 12 terabytes all by themselves. That’s a lot more than your desktop drive and more than you can conceive of.

AI has been expanding by leaps and bounds for decades. I think you are rather naive and out of touch with it, especially when the use of “cloud storage” was brought up, which WordPress uses. That means the amount of room for storage is so far beyond your desktop that it’s further than the distance from here to Pluto’s orbit.

Try learning new stuff. You are really out of touch with the world of omputers if you think ONE terabyte is enough storage for a blog like WUWT.

Gunga Din
Reply to  Sara
July 24, 2020 6:27 am

Weren’t the Terabytes the aliens in Galaxy Quest?

John Dowser
Reply to  Charles Rotter
July 23, 2020 2:02 pm

Speaking as someone whose life long expertise is exactly these kind of operations for large international customers: Henry has a point although perhaps bluntly made. Whatever one is running, a site should formally be able to be revived at any new IT environment from a backup like one would have to do with any disaster. This would be simply bypassing any type of logical migration of data which can become quickly extremely tricky without the support of code developers as normal tools indeed often fail when a site has grown to the complexity your mention. Been there done that.

Of course there can be a reasons like not only a new host is to be migrated but also to different software or some environment where the needed access is limited. Otherwise simply moving any files and database would not run into that much trouble after some minor configuration changes.

My free advice would to find some better advice and not take it out on helpful comments of people who might not know your situation but have seen it hundreds times before. You’re not the first.

Henry Pool
Reply to  Charles Rotter
July 23, 2020 2:44 pm

“but am experienced enough to know we are dealing with an unusual set of circumstances ”
….
All “moves” are unique. Nothing “unusual” at all.

Think about it….if your main site goes down, is your backup of it working?………obviously the answer to that question is no because a “move” would simply be loading that working backup somewhere else.
..
These are things one learns from years of experience. Unlike you Mr. Rotter, I am an IT professional. The websites, and services I’m work on are provide to paying customers that require 99.99% uptime. Not only do we have good backup procedures, we run disaster recovery sites at geographically distant sites. Not to mention running a “mirror” of critical servers at each site.

Sounds to me like you have just enough experience to think you are experienced. Dunning Kruger at it’s finest.

Henry Pool
Reply to  Charles Rotter
July 23, 2020 3:07 pm

“You still don’t have any insight into our current situation.”

I don’t need insight.

You summed it up yourself: “I am not an IT professional”

John Endicott
Reply to  Charles Rotter
July 23, 2020 4:38 pm

I don’t need insight

Arrogance and ignorance such as you display certainly proves that you don’t have insight and have nothing helpful or worthwhile to contribute to the situation. pretty much par for the course for you.

Henry Pool
Reply to  Charles Rotter
July 23, 2020 5:45 pm

Endicott, are you an IT professional?

MarkW
Reply to  Charles Rotter
July 23, 2020 7:27 pm

If he isn’t, that will make two of you.

Henry Pool
Reply to  Charles Rotter
July 23, 2020 8:41 pm

ROTFLMAO @ MARKW “If he isn’t, that will make two of you.”

another assertion without evidence.
….
Are you “dbstealey” posting under a different name?

MarkW
Reply to  Charles Rotter
July 24, 2020 10:13 am

It doesn’t matter what I am, I’m not the one going around making erroneous claims.

You remind me of those morons who go around claiming that unless one is a recognized climate scientist, you aren’t allowed to make any claims regarding climate science.

Anywho, I’ve been a software developer for almost 40 years now. As to the projects I have worked on, I have no doubt that you use many of them every single day.
I’ve worked on projects from those that run on PIC processors to massively multiprocessor mainframes. The current one uses a database that’s 10’s of terabytes in size.

However I don’t use my nationally recognized expertise in software development as an excuse to go around insulting others.

sycomputing
Reply to  John Dowser
July 23, 2020 2:34 pm

“My free advice would to find some better advice and not take it out on helpful comments of people who might not know your situation but have seen it hundreds times before.”

Um . . .

Well, you get what you pay for.

J Mac
Reply to  sycomputing
July 23, 2020 5:16 pm

Somebody needs a ‘time out’…

sycomputing
Reply to  sycomputing
July 23, 2020 7:45 pm

Somebody needs a ‘time out’…

Speaking of subtletly . . .

I don’t get it.

Rotor
Reply to  Charles Rotter
July 23, 2020 7:06 pm

Hey, Sometimes you just have no choice but to Scrub the Launch.

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Charles Rotter
July 24, 2020 4:53 am

useful suggestion?
hope you and Anthony sat back and had a beer or whatever, a BBQ or nice meal.
minor issues compared to yours have seen me with near migraines lack of sleep and a hammer inhand ready to “fix” the offending pc, well n truly. all an utter waste of energy n cortisol.
theres a lot of US out here and while my incomeis low if a monthly sub is what would ensure Anthony can continue? maybe thats what we need to be considering
it would be the ONLY webpage I consider irreplaceable and really would be miserably deprived without.

Joe Crawford
Reply to  ozspeaksup
July 25, 2020 9:40 am

Careful Oz, customers get upset when they see you pull out the hammer. That’s why we always called it the ‘forming tool.’ :<)

michel
Reply to  Henry Pool
July 23, 2020 2:25 pm

Henry –

Not necessarily with wordpress. They not attempting to move their current wordpress installation to a new host. If they were doing that, your remark would be correct.

They are instead moving from one kind of wordpress installation to a quite different one. They are moving from a self hosted wordpress installation to the service version which wordpress offers.

I am decidedly no expert. But I think its entirely possible to have a foolproof backup system which will let you move your self hosted wordpress from one hoster to another, but still not have a backup system which will let you easily move from the self hosted version to the service offering.

Just thoughts of a non-expert. It may not be as simple as you think.

Henry Pool
Reply to  michel
July 23, 2020 3:00 pm

Two words: “dry run” Shows you where you have problems.

MarkW
Reply to  michel
July 23, 2020 3:01 pm

Just hire Zoe, she knows everything about everything. If you doubt me, just ask her.

Henry Pool
Reply to  MarkW
July 23, 2020 3:09 pm

Where is Willis Eschenbach?……I’m pretty sure he’s a polymath.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Henry Pool
July 23, 2020 3:51 pm

Do you have a psychological disorder, Henry?

Looks like sociopath behavior to me.

MarkW
Reply to  Henry Pool
July 23, 2020 4:39 pm

Willis has proven himself to be a polymath.
You on the other hand have proven yourself to be an ignorant blowhard.

Henry Pool
Reply to  Henry Pool
July 23, 2020 5:03 pm

Come on Rich and Charles, stick to the subject of the “move” and stop digressing into personal attacks. I believe they are considered “ad hominem” right? Willis is a stable genius isn’t he?

Henry Pool
Reply to  Henry Pool
July 23, 2020 6:45 pm

“I am not an IT professional” no suggestion proffered by me.

Henry Pool
Reply to  Henry Pool
July 23, 2020 7:25 pm

R U giving up????? Why don’t you get the “consultants” that were hired to talk to me…….cause you don’t cut it.

MarkW
Reply to  Henry Pool
July 23, 2020 7:27 pm

Hank whining about personal attacks. That thar’s funny.

Henry Pool
Reply to  Henry Pool
July 23, 2020 8:37 pm

MARKW is like a bothersome fly, easily swatted away.

Hey Mark, when was the last time you contributed anything significant? All you do is attack the people that don’t toe the line of this web site.

Are you an IT professional?

MarkW
Reply to  Henry Pool
July 24, 2020 10:15 am

Hank really gets his panties in a wad whenever someone dares to question his claims to expertise in almost ever subject.

PaulH
July 23, 2020 12:35 pm

Frustrating! Best of luck battling the Technology Monster. 😉

July 23, 2020 12:44 pm

You mean Big Oil isn’t funding it?

Beta Blocker
July 23, 2020 12:55 pm

A server farm powered by molten salt reactors could have had the new WUWT website up and running in, well, just no time at all.

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Beta Blocker
July 24, 2020 5:02 am

++ Roflmao;-)

Yooper
July 23, 2020 1:22 pm

At least WUWT hasn’t been CANCELLED! In today’s hyper environment that’s quite an accomplishment

whiten
July 23, 2020 1:27 pm

Just saying.

No to be taken for granted or even seriously.

But still only Anthony can “deplatforme” WUWT from the Cloud…
aka purge the already gained value of WUWT in the Cloud.

Kinda of a simple and maybe a silly claim.

But hey the world is uge, cloud farms allover it.
Cal is just a very small place, but ugely expensive when it comes to thingis like cloud hosting.
Very very energy expensive, no good at all for competition in cloud hosting services.
No good or efficient cloud hosting in Cal.

Oh, whatever… just a simple and maybe silly shallow thought!

cheers

Michael S. Kelly
July 23, 2020 1:29 pm

The only suggestion I have is to readers: DONATE!

Best of luck, Mr. Watts.

Reply to  Michael S. Kelly
July 23, 2020 2:09 pm

Yes, indeed, money is what solves human-made problems. Enough money could solve this server hosting problem. Big Oil and Koch brothers just didn’t come through for Anthony.

Money of course is why natural climate change must be twisted into anthropogenic climate change with bought pseudoscience and its cargo cult climate models with the most elaborate Confidence Scheme ever undertaken. And then more money is used to buy political for more power in a pernicious circle. Power is the ultimate End.

What money can’t fix is natural processes like the Malinkovitch cycles driving the planet out of the current interglacial into the next glacial period, or the multi-decadal ocean cycles.

Bill
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
July 24, 2020 3:17 pm

I think someone else mentioned that all IT projects can be done:

1) Quickly,
2) Correctly,
3) Cheaply.

However, one can only choose 2 of the above three. This is a maxim of IT, and many other fields with “projects”.

Joe Crawford
Reply to  Bill
July 25, 2020 9:47 am

But, sometimes only one of the above.

john
July 23, 2020 1:56 pm

“One small step for Anthony (and crew) One giant leap…”

Plenty of real brainpower and persistence at WUWT. 👍👍👍

Bruce Cobb
July 23, 2020 2:00 pm

I trust no bridges got burnt.

Reply to  Bruce Cobb
July 23, 2020 2:12 pm

… and no Walmarts were looted.

dmacleo
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
July 23, 2020 2:20 pm

or wendys

dmacleo
July 23, 2020 2:03 pm

database imports failing?
sucks doing multi gb imports remotely.
also pita to try to ship a drive to another data center get someone hands on working on it to get running then do differential restore from current site at same time.
just plain sucks.

Henry Pool
Reply to  dmacleo
July 23, 2020 2:28 pm

LOL, you can move terabyte databases between data centers these days. Ever hear of OC-768/STM-256 ? ATT uses it for their backbone.

dmacleo
Reply to  Henry Pool
July 23, 2020 2:51 pm

yeah heard of it and used it before.
ever hear of WUWT being backed up by anyone using that level of infrastructure?
don’t suppose your smarta$$ is stepping up to provide them colo services at a place with this backbone and blades to place there?
didn’t think so.
just much easier to stand back and act sophomoric isn’t it?

Henry Pool
Reply to  dmacleo
July 23, 2020 3:13 pm

WUWT gets what it pays for, except their “paid consultants” don’t seem to be worth it.

dmacleo
Reply to  Henry Pool
July 23, 2020 3:36 pm

prob still a better value overall than what your customers get.

John Endicott
Reply to  Henry Pool
July 23, 2020 4:43 pm

dmacleo, I’d agree except I seriously doubt mr pool has any customers, based on his ignorance and arrogance displayed in multiple posts.

Henry Pool
Reply to  Henry Pool
July 23, 2020 4:57 pm

Our customers would leave us for the competition if they could get a better value.

John Endicott
Reply to  Henry Pool
July 24, 2020 11:09 am

The only “customers” that wouldn’t leave you are the ones more ignorant than you’ve proven yourself to be.

dmacleo
Reply to  Henry Pool
July 23, 2020 2:55 pm

also backbone don’t help much when importing to wordpress.com servers.
also can’t physically do anything there.
and their large site import support sucks.

Henry Pool
Reply to  dmacleo
July 23, 2020 3:36 pm

You get what you pay for, and sometimes you get less that what you pay for.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Henry Pool
July 23, 2020 3:58 pm

And sometimes you run your mouth and act like a total ass without having contributed anything whatsoever to the situation. Just sayin’

Henry Pool
Reply to  Henry Pool
July 23, 2020 4:39 pm

There is nothing positive than can be “contributed” to this cluster-f, just sayin’

Henry Pool
Reply to  dmacleo
July 23, 2020 4:07 pm

dmacleo, this site was moved off of the wordpress servers a while back. There was a good reason for doing so. Has something changed to make them more attractive since the original move?

MarkW
Reply to  Henry Pool
July 23, 2020 4:40 pm

That was explained in an article about a week ago.

Henry Pool
Reply to  Henry Pool
July 23, 2020 6:41 pm

MARKW, see my post RE: “dry run”

MarkW
Reply to  Henry Pool
July 23, 2020 7:30 pm

Not only does Hank not read other people’s posts, apparently he doesn’t read his own either. Your 4:07pm post had nothing to do with dry run’s.

Henry Pool
Reply to  Henry Pool
July 23, 2020 8:22 pm

MARKW: July 23, 2020 at 3:00 pm

MarkW
Reply to  Henry Pool
July 24, 2020 10:16 am

Not in this chain. But what the heck, you are a self described expert so we can’t question your wisdom.

Bryan A
Reply to  Henry Pool
July 23, 2020 3:43 pm

Perhaps a $H1TL04D of Bernoulli cartridges mashed through a C64 😉

Rud Istvan
July 23, 2020 4:22 pm

Hey, Henry Pool. You say you are smart in this stuff and Charles isn’t.
A direct personal challenge. Name your hourly rate here. If reasonable (and I am knowledgable in the matter as a former [small private company] CEO who hired many hourly folks like you) I will pay it up to 100 hours per my previous offer to Anthony via Charles. IFF you fix it. Else you eat your hours. Deal?

Nashville
Reply to  Rud Istvan
July 23, 2020 4:43 pm

Money talks, Bull**** walks.

Henry Pool
Reply to  Rud Istvan
July 23, 2020 4:48 pm

No Mr. Istvan, you made an incorrect assertion. I did not say Mr. Rotter isn’t smart. I said he was “inexperienced.”

I am not a PHP expert, so you’d be wasting your $$$ hiring me. The hardware/software systems I am experienced in are several orders of magnitude above a simple PHP wordpress web site. However this site with double redundant servers would easily fit into a half-rack (20U.) Biggest cost would be Internet bandwidth.

Rud Istvan
Reply to  Henry Pool
July 23, 2020 5:32 pm

I take your comment as a very public version of you abjectly declining my very generous offer to pay you to put your money where your mouth is, because it was BS.

If this IT problem (to quote you ‘orders of magnitude above simple PhP’) is so simple to you, why not take my proffer and fix it for WUWT with the your ‘orders of magnitude’ greater expertise, followed by a big cashiers check from me for your bill?

Nuff said. You lose either way as either Liar or Coward. Bye.

(Hey Charles, I know this is much stronger language than you usually permit or I almost ever use. Cut me some slack this once.)

Henry Pool
Reply to  Rud Istvan
July 23, 2020 6:40 pm

“I am knowledgable in the matter as a former [small private company] CEO who hired many hourly folks..”

Istvan, “money” may rule you, it doesn’t rule me. I have integrity. You should talk to Mr. Watts about the “consultants” he hired, as you seem to have indicated to everyone that you have a wealth of experience in hiring them. Seems to me that he didn’t do very well with the batch he hired. I hope you can do better.

MarkW
Reply to  Henry Pool
July 23, 2020 7:33 pm

Hank admits he doesn’t know the technology used, however he is also quite certain that he knows more about the subject than do the people who were hired.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Henry Pool
July 23, 2020 7:35 pm

Pool
If you actually had integrity as you claim, you would not have tried to impress everyone with how valuable your uninformed insights are when you were specifically told, “Please do not swarm us with suggestions. We will be examining alternatives and will reach out for assistance when needed.” Your insistence on pushing your viewpoint when it is not wanted, or needed, suggests you have some personal problems. You are not thought of highly by most commenters here and all you have managed to accomplish is to convince them that their original assessment was correct. Most people are their own worst enemy, as you demonstrate clearly.

Henry Pool
Reply to  Henry Pool
July 23, 2020 8:26 pm

Clyde, the people running this site need help. WordPress web sites are not uncommon, technical expertise with wordpress is not uncommon, and cutting to a new server is not rocket science.

Henry Pool
Reply to  Henry Pool
July 23, 2020 8:33 pm

LOL @ MARKW
..
I’m not a PHP expert. I can load and configure Apache which runs above PHP (as PHP is a module underneath Apache.)…..now…..tell all of us here when was the last time you loaded and configured a production instance?…. By “production” I mean a web server that is integral to generating a revenue stream?

MarkW
Reply to  Henry Pool
July 24, 2020 10:17 am

Hank telling other people that they need help.
That thar’s funny.

Rud Istvan
Reply to  Henry Pool
July 23, 2020 6:00 pm

Henry, thanks for the abject back down. Next time remember a simple political rule:
Money rules.
My very real money offer to you called your ‘expert’ bluff, and didn’t cost me a single hard earned nickel. So you admit you are not a PHP expert, yet posed here as one. Uh Huh. Not.

Be gone, hopefully forever. Else I will come back to call your bluff here again.

Henry Pool
Reply to  Rud Istvan
July 23, 2020 6:32 pm

Mr. Istvan, I did not “pose” as a PHP expert. I am a hardware/software/network engineer with a wealth of experience in IT. I have enough “retired” hardware in this room to run this little web site. You didn’t “call” any bluff, as I’m not bluffing. I suggest you go out and find experienced PHP/wordpress consultants to help Mr. Watts out. Better yet, you should offer your money directly to Mr. Watts, because this move off of a private VPS and back to WordPress is dictated to him by financial considerations. Poor Mr. Watts should know that if he were to rent out space in a co-lo facility, and purchase his own hardware, he could save a bundle over and above hosting services either by WordPress, or the ISP he currently is using. Unfortunately, when it comes to IT, I’ve got it all over you with regards to what to spend one’s money on.

PS…FYI, my company has an outside consultant that is sandboxed into a VPS for our PHP apps. PHP is a POS.

Editor
Reply to  Henry Pool
July 23, 2020 8:50 pm

> I have enough “retired” hardware in this room to run this little web site.

How well do you handle DDoS attacks?

Henry Pool
Reply to  Henry Pool
July 23, 2020 10:38 pm

Upstream rate limit by your bandwidth provider and/or connection limit by one’s firewall

MarkW
Reply to  Henry Pool
July 23, 2020 7:32 pm

Hank started this post by proclaiming that he knows better how to do such a conversion than the people who were hired to do it.
Now Hank ducks a direct challenge by claiming he doesn’t have the knowledge to do such a conversion.

Henry Pool
Reply to  MarkW
July 23, 2020 8:34 pm

Dear MARKW…..it doesn’t take a stable genius to take the backup of a web site, and load it onto a different machine. Guess you’ve never done anything like that in your life or have you?

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  Henry Pool
July 24, 2020 4:58 am

You are not even talking about the issue any more, so much as deliberately giving the finger to anyone here who might be a Trump voter, aren’t you?
What are you trying to prove?
What is your point?
The headline post said there were problems.
Everything you are saying now amounts to giving someone a raspberry and calling them a stupidhead, or some such juvenile taunt.

JonasM
Reply to  Henry Pool
July 24, 2020 8:50 am

Have you ever had a backup of a SQL Server or Oracle DB, then tried to load it into a newer version of the same DB? Rarely works – you have to do it via scripted data export/import with all the attendant errors/incompatibilities.
If both the old and new sites are running the exact same versions of everything, then simple backup/restore works great. When they are different, it becomes quite a chore. I imagine that’s the issue here.

MarkW
Reply to  Henry Pool
July 24, 2020 10:18 am

It’s a lot more than just transferring files from one server to another.
The fact that you didn’t know that just shows how ignorant you really are.

John Endicott
Reply to  Henry Pool
July 24, 2020 11:14 am

I am not a PHP expert, so you’d be wasting your $$$ hiring me

Indeed he would. At least you admit you’ve been spouting off on something that you admit to be ignorant of.

Old Mike
July 23, 2020 5:50 pm

Just made a small donation, can I take a swing at that juvenile basement dweller calling itself “Henry Pool”, please, pretty please,

I’d just like to suggest that Pool should go and play a game of twiddlywinks on the freeway and demonstrate an amazing IQ to all and sundry. With luck it will be a Tesla in auto-mode.

Henry Pool
Reply to  Old Mike
July 23, 2020 7:14 pm

Sorry, can’t demonstrate and amazing IQ because I am not “stable.” Only a stable genius would play tiddlywinks on an expressway.

MarkW
Reply to  Old Mike
July 23, 2020 7:34 pm

You’ve just given me a great idea for a fund-raiser.

Enginer01
July 23, 2020 7:31 pm

When I hear obviously intelligent people ranting at each other, my stomach aches. It is an unfortunate mark of the state of our “civilization.” I have modified (small) websites in PHP/HTML, and had then yanked away and updated to WordPress. Not much of an improvement if you have experienced PHP programmers around. Getting rare.
$$$ doesn’t solve everything. Recent Florida disaster with unemployment, data files kept in COBOL, follow last 15 years at IRS travais, … Been with WUWT since shortly after John Daly’s marvelous and low budget site.
What Anthony has done, after Global Warning Crisis is shown to be a non-crisis, should earn him the Nobel Peace Prize. Charles, thank you. Anthony, I hope, after all your hard work and struggle, you can smile a little at the incivility being vised here.

Editor
Reply to  Enginer01
July 23, 2020 8:48 pm

> Been with WUWT since shortly after John Daly’s marvelous and low budget site.

http://john-daly.com/ is certainly more useful than anything Henry Pool has contributed here today.

Henry Pool
Reply to  Ric Werme
July 23, 2020 10:43 pm

Like Jean Baptiste Lamarck, Daly is both wrong and dead.

MarkW
Reply to  Henry Pool
July 24, 2020 10:20 am

As usual, Hank expects us to just accept his claims to be an expert in everything.

Henry Pool
July 23, 2020 11:13 pm

So Istvan, Rotter, Watts and everyone else…..

Please tell me why a SuperMicro 2U 2029P-E1CR24H with 256 GB RAM, 16 cores and 20TB of SSD can’t run this site? The current hit counter is 425,671,388 in 13 years. Assume this site runs for 1 year with 50,000,000 hits. 50,000,000/365/24/3600 = 16 hits per second……which 16 cores can easily handle running at 2.6 Ghz. This box has a pair of 10 Gbit/sec ethernet ports, so the ISP bandwidth is the only limitation.

son of mulder
Reply to  Henry Pool
July 24, 2020 3:08 am

Bugs.

ozspeaksup
Reply to  son of mulder
July 24, 2020 5:10 am

sure theyre not a “feature”??

whiten
Reply to  Henry Pool
July 24, 2020 8:57 am

Henry Pool
July 23, 2020 at 11:13 pm

Ave you ever heard the concept of “herd”?
Strong, safe and protected in the herd!

cheers

MarkW
Reply to  Henry Pool
July 24, 2020 10:21 am

The sad thing is that Hank actually believes his question has any relevance.

yarpos
July 24, 2020 4:44 am

An archive site for those interested, and a current site (today and the last 12 months) for actual live use? …. perhaps?

dmacleo
July 24, 2020 4:48 am

ddos protection/mitigation very likely involved with need to move off current host. non-enterprise colo balk at that and will force a tos issue and a migration.
that stuff is very expensive.

funny, when push came to shove an “expert” in moving stuff had to use a “not php person” excuse to avoid the job. programming language has very little to do with the move.

tsk tsk
Reply to  dmacleo
July 24, 2020 8:16 pm

funny, when push came to shove an “expert” in moving stuff had to use a “not php person” excuse to avoid the job. programming language has very little to do with the move.

Noticed that, did you?

LEE CHRISTAL
July 24, 2020 4:58 am

God. We’ve got a lot of experts. Most of whom have no clue as to what they are talking about.
What happened to this? “Please do not swarm us with suggestions. We will be examining alternatives and will reach out for assistance when needed.”

Shark24
July 24, 2020 6:38 am

I will simply pray. God bless you Anthony!

Coach Springer
July 24, 2020 7:02 am

Kind of like when I got an Apple phone, took pictures on it, and they were lost in the cloud.

Sometimes, you just have to start over or live with the devil. This applies most especially to tech.

Ossqss
July 24, 2020 7:31 am

Wow, I walked in here with boots on to look around and need hip waders instead! 😉

noaaprogrammer
July 24, 2020 9:39 am

Is Mr. Pool demonstrating some Freudenschade? If so, is it because he does not identify with the goals of WUWT?

MarkW
Reply to  noaaprogrammer
July 24, 2020 10:23 am

I suspect it has more to do with his desperate need to be acknowledged as an expert.

Kevin A
Reply to  MarkW
July 24, 2020 2:59 pm

“desperate need to be acknowledged as an expert” His posts argue the opposite along with being a person that screams to be given “How to Win Friends and Influence People”
I’ve respected Charles Rotter request, it is a waste of time to spin on something without knowing anything about the issues and the end result is just bad feelings.

MarkW
Reply to  Kevin A
July 24, 2020 7:38 pm

I’ve done enough data transfers between differing systems to know that unless you are on the inside actually examining the data, you don’t know enough to have an opinion.

The system that I work with, we have to transfer terabytes from the production system to our User Acceptance Test system on a regular basis. (To keep the data fresh for testing purposes. We can’t just mirror the daily transactions because it interferes with ongoing acceptance tests. So every few months we dump from one system to the other. They are both Oracle servers of the same generation and the boxes are identical. And every single time there are glitches.

u.k.(us)
July 25, 2020 8:32 am

Have yet to see this maxim disproven:
‘If you want to make god laugh, just tell him your plans.’

Give them hell guys.

Another Scott
July 25, 2020 1:17 pm

Can we swarm you with well wishes for the next effort? 🙂

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