Guest essay by Eric Worrall
Climate activists are distressed that their push to make 2020 a big year for international climate agreements is being thrown into disarray by the Covid-19 Chinese Coronavirus outbreak disrupting all the lead up international meetings they normally attend.
How Coronavirus Could Set Back the Fight Against Climate Change
BY JUSTIN WORLAND MARCH 10, 2020 2:52 PM EDT
This year was supposed to be a big one in the international fight against climate change. But the fast spreading new coronavirus disease, COVID-19, is posing a triple-threat to action that could derail the Paris Agreement effort to combat global warming, worried experts say.
The disease is a challenge for climate change action on multiple fronts. COVID-19 has already disrupted crucial negotiations ahead of a November conference in Glasgow that could determine the Paris Agreement’s success in reducing emissions. The outbreak may supplant climate concerns in the minds of the public, weakening political will at a key moment. And it may encourage burning fossil fuels in hopes of restarting the global economy.
“Everybody’s going to be putting safety first right now,” says Matthew McKinnon, an advisor to a group of countries especially vulnerable to climate change. “And whether or not safety first aligns with climate first is going to vary from place to place.”
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To lay the ground for the Glasgow summit, international climate and environmental policymakers planned to hop between a series of important meetings and conferences that would set the stage and, they hoped, allow the world to finally bend the curve on emissions. But, as international travel has ground to a halt, the important work of climate diplomacy has suffered as in-person meetings have become impossible and a series of important conferences have been canceled, from the World Oceans Summit in Japan to CERAWeek, perhaps the most important energy conference, in Houston. The United Nations’ climate body has called off all meetings through the end of April, citing health and safety of attendees as well as the inability to muster a quorum.
Rescheduling meetings has proven hazardous. The Convention on Biological Diversity, which is trying to broker a landmark deal to protect nature by October, moved a meeting from Kunming, China to Rome, to escape the coronavirus. But as the meeting progressed delegates were slowly recalled as news spread of a coronavirus outbreak in Italy. “We left around the middle of the week,” says Lina Barrera, vice president of international policy at Conservation International. “Some people didn’t come at all.”
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Read more: https://time.com/5795150/coronavirus-climate-change/
In 2014 University of Washington academics submitted expense claims for enough airmiles for a return trip to Mars. We can only imagine how the need for academics to fly to conferences has grown, as efforts to clamp down on activities which produce CO2 emissions have gathered momentum, only to see those hopes dashed at the last minute.
Let us hope someone introduces them all to teleconferencing software before it becomes too late to save this year’s climate agreements.
Couldn’t happen to nicer folks!
You might rephrase that to say “It couldn’t happen to more deserving folks.”
Coronavirus is being spread BIGGLEY on the pump handles of self-serve gas stations. Sanitize the pump handle before and your hands after.
MIKE MCHENRY
Divine Intervention?
It will not happen, no one sane is bothered with AGW any more. Italians are ordered to close all shops except food outlets (restaurants closing too) and chemists – pharmacies. Coming soon to the town near you. Forget about danger to polar bears, it is stock market bears that will skin you alive. Have a nice evening.
“no one sane is bothered with AGW any more.”
Which is why they’re using this COVID-19 to stampede the sheeple off a cliff instead and flatline the US economy. Plot by EU, China, and Russia? I wouldn’t bet against it!
Media bailing mega-clix. People enjoy being terrified.
This “pandemic” is about to fizzle out in Europe.
https://climategrog.wordpress.com/2019-ncov-country-cases/
France and Germany have seen new cases plateau in the last few days. Even Italy showed a drop yesterday, though that could be a reporting glitch.
It’s going to fizzle out with deaths be an order of magnitude less than you average annual flu outbreak.
The real danger, like with climate, is what damage the panic and shut downs do to the economy and peoples lives. Exaggerated threats and improbably dangers lead to extremely bad choices being made.
I’m not sure about that, more likely running against testing capacity limit. Nearly 200 people died in Italy in the last 24 h, in the UK testing limit is about 1200/day of which 83 proved were positive today.
Oh, Greg, you are so wrong. This is just starting, and will visit us all, personally in some way over the next 6 months.
It seems now that this virus originated in the USA back around September last year, but the chaotic health system there just completely missed it even though thousands were dying.
Anyone anywhere in the USA is now in big trouble.
Tom Hanks and wife just diagnosed while in Australia, I don’t think they visited China, they clearly picked it up either in the USA or in transit from there.
Expect at least one in fifty people you know to die from this in the next 6 months, and expect in the USA people dying in their homes because of the appalling health system there.
It doesn’t make sense that it could have originated in September in the U.S. with the rate of contagion that is being observed globally. The Wuhan origin seems to be the case.
Hank’s production began filming in Australia early this year. It would appear that he contracted the virus there.
If the U.S. healthcare system is as bad as you say, why then do so many people from all over the world come to the U.S. for medical treatment?
Do you realize that you are mindlessly repeating the storyline planted in the international MSM by the Chinese Communist Party propaganda machine that:
a) there is no evidence that the virus originated in Wuhan or anywhere in China and
b) that the virus was planted in China by the US?
Both falsehoods were comprehensively debunked by the WSJ in a remarkable piece of meticulous investigative journalism a few days ago.
As with CAGW/CACC, be very careful indeed about your sources – propaganda works in insidious ways.
MOD:
I just posted a perfectly straightforward reply to Surfer Dave.
Why is caught in moderation?
Some of the best care in the world is available …. for a price.
That is not the point that was made about the health care system in general and how it serves ( or not ) the US population.
If people can not afford to stay at home when ill and can not afford to get treated when they are it’s no long a case of “I’m alright Jack” , that will have a devastating effect on the whole population as this spreads.
Tetris, CCP propaganda talking points for US press.
https://twitter.com/jenniferatntd/status/1237349826624466946
You must be looking at different numbers to me.
According to https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
active cases in France have gone from 693 cases 4 days ago to 2221 cases today. (12 March in NZ)
4 days ago Germany had 700 active cases. Today there are 1938.
Outside of China, cases are doubling about every 4 days.
Or maybe the testing is doubling.
Way too soon to make much of such numbers.
Contagion: nothing spreads like fear.
No, the pandemic isn’t fizzling out in Europe.
Italy’s seen 12,149 cases with 827 fatalities, up from the previous 10,149, an increase of 22.8 percent. Pressure on intensive care beds is huge, https://www.itv.com/news/2020-03-11/italy-doctors-coronavirus-covid-19-quarantine-milan-health/
If you’ve got money, then the US healthcare system’s great, if you haven’t, it’s a disaster.
If it’s fizzling out, why has Trump just banned all flights from mainland Europe?
Anyone can walk into a hospital emergency room in the US and get care.
County hospitals treat anyone. ED Facts
If you’re poor and have no insurance, you get care in a ward rather than a private room.
I think you have it right. Trump is sorting out the deep state and world elite, then Boris produced the big Brexit victory and so the globalists are in panic mode. Like Stalin, Hitler and Mao, they have no problem sacrificing the lives of the poor for their ultimate goal of complete control of the people they despise. Trump 2020 or the western world ill cease to exist.
“they’re using this…”
“Plot by EU, China, and Russia? I wouldn’t bet against it!”
This why the US is screwed – deluded exceptionalism rapidly mophing into its evil twin paranoia. Covid-19 is out of control in the US, not that you’re going to hear that truth from the leader.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-us-cases.html
He thinks banning flights from Europe will fix things, um its a bit late for that. Meantime Australia should be banning flights from the US. You’re about to see how unexceptional the US is and what a fraud the leader is. But go on, blame everyone else.
The fraction of population infected in the U.S. is among the lowest of industrial nations. It is slightly lower than that of Australia.
President Trump is correct to ban flights from Europe to the U.S., we will need to slow the infection here so that we can continue to develop drugs and vaccines to ultimately save Europe again.
Saving Europe, lol. Surfer Dave above has it right (“originated in the USA” is a typo I suspect, it obviously began in Wuhan).
The US health system is an expensive joke, paying twice as much as any other civilised country for an inferior system. Americans just don’t realise the nasty surprise they’re in for and the last person to realize will be the deeply deluded Donald Trump.
Loydo, why don’t you go brush your teeth if you have a toothbrush?
Scissor March 11, 2020 at 7:41 pm
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If the U.S. healthcare system is as bad as you say, why then do so many people from all over the world come to the U.S. for medical treatment?
Because, if money is not a problem, US hospitals are fine. But for Merkans with minimal or no health cover, their system is a catastrophe.
“U.S. is among the lowest of industrial nations”
For one reason only – the US has the worst testing. South Korea are testing 10,000 per day, US less than 5000 in 2 months. This level of indutrial incompetence is going to kill hundreds of thousands.
It will be worse than Italy. They don’t have a ‘leader’ calling it a ho ax.
“Loydo March 12, 2020 at 3:22 am”
Of course, you post a comment without providing and supporting evidence. Typical Loydo the Gullible comment.
Martin A, “ But for Merkans with minimal or no health cover, their system is a catastrophe.”
14% of all US emergency room (ER) visits are by people with no insurance. CDC pdf They all get treated.
Sure Lloydo. More nonsense from you.
Loydo. Now you can show us how CO2 has caused the virus.
Such a shame .
Could it be that the corona scare is similar to climate change scare.
1. We are encouraged to take draconian measures to stop something that’s so far percent lower risk of death than one month of driving a car.
2. The threat of corona is totally dwarfed by smoking related deaths, alcohol related deaths,malaria,cancer, heart disease etc.
3. It comes from China, a communist country that was able to totally dominate their own population to limit the outbreak. It still was not limited and spread to the rest of the world, like any influenza outbreak. Just like CO2 spreads.
4. It is hyped out of proportions. So far we have 20 influenza deaths for every Corona death. A very stable estimate from China seems to be less than 3 deaths pr million
5. What if this is like a Normal flu, it has already spread all over the population? This would make the deadliness lower than for the normal flu. In other words a very natural fact of nature that we cannot stop, just like we cannot stop the weather.
6. Because so few people are tested it seems like the death rate is so high. What if the virus is out in the whole population and just 3 in 1000,000 die from it. Then the death rate would be thousand times lower than for the flu.
6. Could the coronavirus argue for a one world government, using the Chinese example with extreme curfews and limits to the rights of assembly?
7. Could be that the coronavirus is quite benign, like climate change, but because of the media each death is looked upon as something horrible?
8. Does Corona take the attention away from more important things, just like the focus on CO2? Governments are willing to use extreme resources on CO 2 reduction while they despreately need money for healthcare and education.
9. Does perception of risk get totally skewed like for climate change?
10. There have been over 10 million deaths so far this year, from all causes. There have been a bit over 3000 deaths from Corona. That means that for every Corona death there have been approximately 3000 deaths from other causes.
11. Some of these causes could be prevented quite easily.
12. Around 2 milion died from starvation, 667 dead for every corona death
13. 54000 women died in childbirth ,16 dead for every corona death
14. 173000 deaths by malaria, 54 dead for every corona death
15. 882000 deaths from smoking, 275 dead for every corona death
16. 441000 deaths from alcohol, 137 dead for every corona death
17. 190000 suicides, 59 dead for every corona death
18. 238000 road deaths, 74 dead for every corona death
19. The one death that most can identify with, is traffic death. We have 7400% higher risk of dying in traffic than from Corona, at least. Young people have higher traffic risk and lower corona risk , so here the risk ratio is extreme. And we gladly go into traffic every day.
20. Follow the money: Panic is not only a great political tool, it is also extremely profitable. The big pharmaceutical companies made billions on the swine flu. They are now soon ready with a vaccine, probably well timed to when the panic peaks. If the vaccine is safe doesn’t really matter. If people get problems like sleeping disorders, they just become life customers for other drugs. Win-win.
21. Moral obligation: just like CC, corona worlds order thinking can be motivated by moral obligation to do something. We may give up many personal freedoms in solidarity with those who might die from Corona. We don’t think of the 10 million who die from other causes.
22. Ironically some global warming could slow down Corona. So maybe the 2 crowds could join hands: keep the temperature low, keep corona going, and infect fellow CC believers by holding hands.
Global warming will save us from the Corona-saurus!
At least the virus has eased the escalating bombardment of climate propaganda.
Regards,
Bob
An ironically sad observation of our times, Bob. While the Wuhan virus is over hyped, it is real and it is killing people. Conversely, the over hyped claims of ever impending doom from the ‘climate crisis’ are demonstrably a fool’s fevered fiction.
It had Grata upset as it is now more important than her.
You should add and is a real problem in everyones lifetime.
Teleconferencing?
Where’s the expenses in that?
They could expense their meals from DoorDash while they stay confined to their office. But where’s the fun in that?
“Let us hope someone introduces them all to teleconferencing software before it becomes too late to save this year’s climate agreements.”
Warmists are deceitful fraudsters. Their CAGW hypothesis was falsified decades ago. No rational person could be this stupid for this long. By now they all know they are promoting a falsehood – a scam.
Their climate mega-conferences are all about their free ride and their big carbon footprint – and expensive meals, booze and hookers.
So the warmist hordes can stay home, teleconference, order UberEats and Dial-a-Bottle… but they still come up short.
A bug delaying their climate meeting boondoggle ……. How dare you 😂😂
Grumpy Greta wasn’t going anyway, Russians during a phone call to the globetrotting HRH prince Harry have leaked confidential report that Greta would like to marry his nephew HRH prince George. Great idea Greta. 🙂
I hear Uncle Andrew would like to have a piece of Greta first.
I am completely baffled by why they need all of these in-person meetings. Surely Solar and/or Wind powered video conferencing would be Greener and much more effective.
RicDre
You said, “I am completely baffled by why they need all of these in-person meetings.” There is no record of what gets said or what agreements are made.
It is more exotic to go to conferences, rather than a Zoom meeting sitting in your apartment with your laptop and the cold pizza that just arrived.
On the downside, business and manufacturing is also slowing drastically down and will probably continue to do so the next year, until hopefully a vaccine has been approved and distributed.
That’s a year to 18 months out.
Someone should introduce them to the delights of video-conferencing.
Isn’t it ironic. A conference purportedly about saving nature from humanity, while much of humanity is rather busy saving itself from an assault by nature.
Live report:
Humanity vs. Nature 0 : 1
There had to be an up-side to the Coronavirus Covid-19 pandemic and looks like it could be the postponement or elimination of the pre-COP26 Climate Conferences. Here a real crisis trumps a fake crisis. Will the Alarmists finally learn about teleconferencing or is that not really the point of the Great Bunfest.
There are some futurists speculating that this could be the end of China’s surge as an industrial superpower. The shutdown affecting 40% of mostly industrial China is making more and more international corporations that have based their manufacturing base there realize now their vulnerabilities to single Chinese manufacturing dependence.
Like Apple seeing its iPhone production cut to nothing. Or computer makers seeing parts supply chains shrivel up.
This may be a re-ordering BlackSwan for global supply chains and manufacturing.
I see in the future a bill stating that as part of the FDA approval for any drug, prescription or OTC, that 40% of its production, including all components, must be US-sourced. Retroactively.
Too early to call it, have still to see what happens to the West’s industrial base. The China’s latest low numbers are stretching credibility, its leaders will accept collateral damage of a thousand or two deaths a month of elderly nonproductive citizens among population of 1.4 billions, in order to keep its industry and army strong and at the top tier of the world affairs.
What an idiotic comment. The Chinese leaders are mainly over 60.
Hi Alex
I don’t know what planet you arrived from but I was born and grew up on a planet that was behind what was ‘Iron Curtain’. My & my family experience tells me that benevolent leaders of authoritarian regimes otherwise known as dictators do not exist and have a very little consideration for their fellow human beings that they can not use along the way to achieve their goals.
China is aiming to be the world’s top industrial nation and next step is to use its strong industrial base to be a military top dog too. China will not simply abandon it by trying to save lives of those who they have no need for.
Next, you might tell me that septuagenarian billionaire Mike Bloomberg abandon his presidential quest in order not to damage prospects of his fellow septuagenarian billionaire Donald Trump.
I shall not label your comment idiotic; Alex your comment is simply naive.
Vuk
I was born behind the ‘bamboo curtain’ and am Russian. At the end of ww2 the red army crossed the border to China looted the family hotel and dragged off my grandfather to a gulag where he obviously died. The Chinese came in later and gave a pittance for the hotel and told us to leave the country with the rest of the foreigners.
You’ve failed to impress me with your scars caused by communism, mine probably are as deep.
I spent 14 years in China and came back to Australia recently. My friends there were all Chinese. I didn’t hang out with foreigners because they mostly seemed to be whiners and losers with mental health issues. I’ve got a reasonable handle on the culture and am quite aware of the good bad and the ugly. I am not a fan of the regime.
The point of disagreement with the logic of your comment was specifically the idea that the OLD leaders don’t care about old people and want them to die. Do you think the OLD leaders are stupid enough to think that they are immune to coronavirus because they are Party leaders?
Hi Alex
I have sympathy for the suffering of your family, however we do see China from different perspectives. As far as I know the Chinese tradition was to look after and respect the old.
I do not think that the Chinese leadership hates old or loves young, they are just pursuing policies that will keep them in power and if aged, the leaders are more concerned with the distorted image of their legacy than ‘collateral damage’ of their policies. Just consider what the Mao’s policies did for both young and old, or more recently Xiaoping’s one child policy.
The latest news from China is that in the last 24 hours had only 19 new infections among population of 1.4 billion. You may believe that, I do not. Either way that kind of announcement is meant to say to home and abroad ‘look, we have conquered this virus, China is open for business, our factories are open, resumption of normality is here and now’.
Time will tell, but we may never know, judging by number of documentaries recently shown on the British TV regarding some aspects of human rights.
China’s army is huge but not very strong.
The PLA doesn’t need grunts anymore. It’s not that easy to be a soldier. It’s all high tech stuff now and they have university graduates as members. The University I taught at produced some of these. The factories that produce munitions are government run, technically, the workers are part of the PLA. They also don’t have the national guard/reservists or equivalent. Numbers of PLA members shouldn’t really be compared directly to the west without adjustments. In the west we don’t count manufacturers of weapons as members of the armed forces.
Joel O’Bryan
I’m not a expert in business, for from it, but even a simpleton like me, wondered why so much of the worlds trade is conducted in china, what if the usa went to war with chin? Everything shuts down, and all on the excuse of cheap labour.
We should never be dependent on another country for the manufacture of essential items!
Oops! Too late.
It’s almost as if real problems like Covid-19 take precedence over imaginary / made up ones, like global warming.
The lord giveth and the lord taketh away! Amen! LOL
COVID-19 has reduced CO2 emissions out of China (and Italy ) in a way that could not even have been dreamed of by the climate alarmaloons and so what do? They whinge about not being able to go to alarmaloon conferences and eject thousands of tonnes of CO2 into the atmosphere let alone fart out all that methane from the smorgasbords at the concurrent booze ‘n schmooze fests!
They are like toddlers who are stressed because they just need to do a poo but mummy isn’t there to help them through the ‘trauma’
Every year is “this is the year” for the COP crowd. After a quarter century of meetings they are no closer to their goals than they were at the beginning. A few countries have been shamed and harangued into becoming crash test AGW dummies and everyone is waiting to see what happens to them. We, and the alarmists, know it won’t be pretty so the “this is the year” shrill cries continue before the world at large zeros in on the scam.
“crash test AGW dummies”
That would be us here in canada, there very definition of the class dunces of the world.
At the end of January I posted the following, but I may have been
too conservative in my estimate of what is coming:
R.S. Brown
January 28, 2020 at 2:14 am
Glasgow COP26 may not be all that effective given the 2019-nCoV virus will still
be in circulation.
Half the Asian participants will be wearing face masks… if they can find transport
to get them there.
Greta would look weird in a face mask.
“Greta would look weird in a face mask.”
yeah, it’s hard to do that screw up your nose and curl you lip number when you have a 3M mask covering you face. It would also prevent her spitting at everyone in the room.
It will really kill her act.
No she can see the virus it is much larger than a CO2 molecule.
Every cloud has a silver lining!
“Let us hope someone introduces them all to teleconferencing software before it becomes too late to save this year’s climate agreements.”
Let’s not.
All this COVD-19 travel fallout has done is expose the huge waste of resources that goes into worthless climate meetings, that even if they were all agreed on and implemented would do nothing substantive.
It literally IS rain-dance mysticism and voodoo magic thinking that sending vast amounts of money to UN bureaucrats or engaging in trading carbon credits and tax schemes is going to make the weather different in 2100.
“The outbreak may supplant climate concerns in the minds of the public …”
Ya think?
Some repeated past observations now confirmed by new research on CoViD-19.
Mean incubation time 5.1 days with >97% of cases within 14 days. So as said previously, 14 day individual quarantine works. But idiots like the Missouri father/daughter break it.
R0 still looking to be between 2.5 and 3.0 without a vaccine and without quarantine. As US. clusters are showing (Biogen 2 day meeting in Boston being an example), highly contagious from close personal contact (only). Asymptomatic transmission during incubation now widely established.
Virus spread mainly via infected ‘cough/sneeze’ heavy micro droplets and their sequelae. So keeping a 1 meter distance works, unlike influenza. Residence time of microdroplets in air is now experimemtally minutes, not hours. Problem is they settle onto surfaces. New (today) research shows maximum viable Wuhan virus surface residence time is 2-3 days on plastic and stainless steel, and 1 day on cardboard (packaging) at ambient temperature. So frequent hand washing and avoiding touching face are the definitely the two most important hygiene protocols other than social distancing.
We can apply previously commented Diamond Princess denominator correction to outcomes (deaths/recovered) to the China data as of today. Good news is ‘only’ 2.8% mortality rate in China compared to likely slightly overstated global stats from Jhu.csse.edu that have progressed from 3.4% last week to 3.7% today. Bad news is we now know from the WHO mission that the Chinese underreported CoViD-19 mortality by only specifying pneumonia, not viral pneumonia. We don’t know by how much. I still think the WHO 3.4% estimate is reasonable. SARS was ~10. Wuhan is three times as infective (because infectious during late incubation) and 1/3 as deadly. That fits a general viral epidemic pattern well,
We also know from WHO China mission that deaths are disproportionately among elderly (>70) or younger with comorbidities: cardiovascular disease (hypertension, atherosclerosis), lung disease (COPD, asthma), or diabetes. If push comes to shove in ICU’s (the 5% based on China that go critical and need ventilators rather than just supplemental,oxygen, that fact will enable reasonable triage.
President addresses the nation tonight at 2100 EDT.
I worry when I read 97%
Well played !!
Don’t be. The China data whence was derived is itself sketchy so the outer bound confidence intervals are hardly ‘gospel’ . But, Other similar corona viruses have similar incubation statistics. And ‘only’ 3 percent outliving 14 day incubation means 97 percent could not. Huge when multiplied out several infection ‘generations’.
Even if a person survives it they can have very serious lung damage from the disease.
Thank you Rud for the info.
Rud:
“on plastic and stainless steel”
About 10 days ago I read that a Copper surface is deadly to the virus.
Need not be much Cu in the alloy.
Haven’t seen any more on this.
Still I got out 5 copper clad pennies and use them as a talisman.
Working well so far!
The point of the article I saw was that including Copper in handrails and other
public touched surfaces might be worth considering.
Apparently, silver has a detrimental effect on viruses, too. Anti-bacterial also. Before antibiotics, people used to put a silver coin in milk to help preserve it.
If it is any good to you, I know that snails and slugs will not crawl over copper, in my garden I have couple of odd ‘delicious’ plants that were nearly destroyed. I use to put slug pellets around but my daughter protested for her dad being ‘horrible’ to the natures creatures. I then put around bits of old 15mm copper pipes and now slugs and snails look for their late night feast elsewhere.
So now we learn that it’s not just one big COP, but a load of semi-COPs, proto-COPs and mini-COPs leading up to the big COP. All attended by international air travel, plus hotels, limousines, restaurants, ladies of the night etc. Heck of a carbon footprint. And paid for by their respective taxpayers.
Of course these people are far too important to do teleconferencing. Not only that, but they need the frequent flyer points so they can get free (or dirt-cheap) business-class flights to their vacations in exotic locales. There are few things that can bolster a relationship with a life partner from a normal middle class background, more than being taken on vacation in the front cabin of a big airliner. I know, I’ve done it (on points of course).
They could easily have a virtual COP (they could call it ROBO-COP) and just replay all the videos of the last COP. No one would notice. The participants are always the same, the agenda is always the same, the outcomes are always the same; climate crisis, unspecified doom awaits us, vague promises to de-carbonize at some point that’s far enough in the future that they won’t be the ones to have to actually do it. And of course griping about the US administration not coming up with $billions to pay for it all.
The complaint used to be that you could never find a COP when you needed one. Now, they are all over the place all the time!
“Now that’s funny right there I don’t care who you are. That there is funny.”
Larry the Cable Guy.
You forgot COP-rolites
or even COP-rophages..
What will the lack of flying and slow down of industry do to the the monthly average hemispheric and global temperature anomolies by the time of the Glasgow conference? Can an expert tell me?
Is that green air liner the prototype for the 737 MAX before they realised the motors were too big to fit under the wings? Seems to be a little problem with the cowling.
That and the line of the wings doesn’t continue past the engines.
What is it with Greens and dodgy modelling?!
But it’s green and it works in the models. Built it!
We’ll let the engineers figure out how.
Don’t they have no real reasons to complain at such times ? How dares they ??
I can’t understand what happens in the room between their left and right ear. Is there only a cave , or a blck hole , an empty nothing ?
For climate stability deniers, passing climate based laws is clearly far more important than dealing with global pandemic.
“The outbreak may supplant climate concerns in the minds of the public, weakening political will at a key moment.”
Funny how a REAL problem can just eclipse a virtual end of the world. How short sighted can you get?
‘How Coronavirus Could Set Back the Fight Against Climate Change …’.
Yeah and also the battle against continental drift — not forgetting the war against global precession.
There are some good printed T-shirts in what you say.
I want one that says, “Ban Continental Drift.”
“…. moved a meeting from Kunming, China to Rome, to escape the coronavirus…”
Looks like a smoking gun to me, kids. Wutan Virus started in China. Meeting planned in China.
Wutan Virus shuts down Italy. Meeting planned in Italy.
It is clear that planning for climate meetings spreads Wutan. Also it may already be too late and is likely to be worse than first thought. We must ban all planning of climate meetings now before children have their future and dreams stolen.
Also if you are in Glasgow? GET OUT NOW!
Didn’t I read somewhere, Coronal lets die all old climate sceptics ??
What you wrote, Craig, it’s just the contrast reality show.
Wutan?
Perhaps he has Wotan on his radar?
Wu Tang Clan?
Maybe?
Don’t confuse with Wang Chung – the Dance Hall Days lot.
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There are only 2 numbers that we can know for sure for each country: the population in the country and the number of deaths from the virus. How many who are registered sick or healthy are extremely dependent on everyone who is sick being tested etc.
How many who die per million in the country is also the only number that has practical significance. Whether you get Corona hard or easy means little as long as you survive.
In China, it has killed 2.17 per million, in South Korea 1.05, in Iran 3.5 and in Italy 7.0 per million.
Influenza killed 314 per million last year e.g in Norway. Thus, ordinary flu is about 100 times as dangerous. In the United States, that number is 103.
“The outbreak may supplant climate concerns in the minds of the public”
How do you supplant something that doesn’t exist?
Is it just me or did Mr. Justin Worland make a serious blunder in his reporting?
I direct everybody’s attention to his first paragraph in which he says (in summary), “…COVID-19 is posing a threat to action that could derail the Paris Agreement…”.
See what I mean?
Supporters of the “PA” should be happy as clams about that–a virus that could elminate action that has the potential to derail the PA!
Consequently, the PA should continue on just fine as long as the virus performs as expected!
Mr. Justin Worland should have proofread what he wrote, or perhaps he’s working for Trump to make them all appear like fools!
Silly climate alarmists and shysters!
“And whether or not safety first aligns with climate first is going to vary from place to place.”
And the definition of emergency is?
When Covid-19 exposure doubles, double the number of people die….when CO2 doubles, fewer people die of hypothermia. Its pretty easy to see why the public isn’t reading the CC clickbait these days.
CO2 is good because heat is said to destroy the coronavirus.
They are already using a vaccine in the usa, and it looks good so far, with the company quickly up production of the drug, which was created for ebola, but was used on the first case of the virus on a American, it worked and he recovered fully. He greatly improved over 24 hours..
Sorry for the google link. But other news agencies are reporting the same thing about Remdesivir.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/fortune.com/2020/03/10/gilead-coronavirus-treatment-remdesivir-being-used-washington-cdc/amp/
Great news: Climate change is not going to exterminate human life on earth – a little coronavirus will do the job. Except that it will not – it discriminates by targeting those who are sixty and older. It does nothing to the loud young climate activists. What a wicked virus.
It doesn’t target the elderly, it just has a greater effect on them, since they usually have weaker systems.
“…weakening political will at a key moment.”
Oh come on. We’ve been panicking for 30 years now and still nothing has changed. Give it a rest.
On the contrary, quite a lot has changed. The panic has become more and more shrill as the evidence of doom fails to materialize.
Larry Kummer can tell them that it’s no big deal and they should all fly.
The U of Wash has around 6000 academic staff. That averages out more than 20,000 miles per academic, per year. Presumably, the star academics travel a lot more.
It’s possible to put on more miles than that. Some folks lived in Nova Scotia and commuted to Fort McMoney (McMurray) every couple of weeks. That would do it. Other than that, and folks like aircrew deadheading, most citizens would be appalled at that much
traveljunketing for civil servants.Frequent flyer mileage programs work. They attract loyal customers and the perks induce them to travel. It’s particularly bad among government workers and academics.
In my department, we weekly have 1 to 3 researchers from other universities come in to present a seminar on their work. Grad students must attend the presentations and the covered work finds its way onto exams. Usually, a small group of professors will take the visitors out for a nice dinner and favors are made and returned in a grand circuit of academics making similar visits to other universities.
The above is on top of attending conferences and field work.
What your described sounds like a very expensive circle j**k.
The No Borders and Freedom of Movement people please note:
National sovereign borders are important in controlling the spread of disease.
You’re a xenophobe, how dare you?
In a strange way, covid19 could do us all a big favour. By causing a disruption to world economic activity it might help some of our alarmist friends to get a sniff of what life will be like if we go much further with green policy implementation.
It would only be a sniff, however. World economies will recover once the hype settles down and life returns to normal. Hopefully it causes enough disruption that people can see what the effect of economic disruption is or even martial law in some places.
Because that’s exactly where we’re all headed if governments fold to the demands of the alarmists and go fully down the path of zero emissions targets, disconnecting gas lines, stopping coal and oil usage etc.
I do worry that Covid19 is possibly a live trial of a biological weapon. Sort of a dry run to test a delivery system. I hope it isn’t that.
Interesting article on prevention of virus
http://www.sanfernandosun.com/news/article_068568f4-5e90-11ea-ae12-c79d5f80c4a7.html
Particularly what he says about zinc. Apparently this guy is expert on coronaviruses.
President Trump just suspended all travel for Europe excluding the UK for the next 30 days.
Trump says Europe was not doing a good enough job of preventing the spread of the Wuhan virus.
I would have to say Trump is correct. We just got our first two Wuhan virus victims in Oklahoma this week and both of them just returned from Italy.
Tom Abbott
Its crazy that they were allowed to leave italy, they should have been put in quarantine and triple checked before being allowed to leave italy, then checked again in the usa…
If south Korea can do drive through testing, then I’m sure the mighty usa can as well.
“first two”
Because no one is being tested.
“Trump says Europe was not doing a good enough job”
Americans are are going to suffer terribly because of the incompetence and complacency of the Trump admistration. Why? because no one is being tested. Why? because Trump has been downplaying it and calling it a “hoax” and bragging about how his experts are the best in the world and they are on top of it ” it’ll be gone when it warms up. ”
50 million US cases is already a lock probably closer to 100. How could these numbers have been reduced? By early testing and isolation. That horse has well and truly bolted and blaming others is all that is left.
“Anybody that wants a test can get a test.”
“I like this stuff. I really get it. People are surprised that I understand it. Every one of these doctors said, ‘How do you know so much about this?’ Maybe I have a natural ability.”
That sounds like wishful thinking, Loydo.
Trump is taking every step possible to contain the Wuhan virus.
Monday-morning quarterbacks are pathetic. None of them would have done a better job than Trump. They/you say there’s not enough testing. Well, where were you calling for an increase in the ability to test before this Wuhan virus appeared? Answer: Nowhere. It wasn’t even on your or anyone else’s radar, except for Trump who took actions to bolster the U.S. response to such things from the first day he entered office. It’s not his fault there are not millions of Wuhan testing kits sitting around waiting for us to us them. It takes time to ramp up production, and noone would ramp it up better than Trump.
Trump criticized our vulnerable supply chains which gave China a virtual monopoly on products vital to U.S. national security, and his tariffs caused many manufacturers to move back to the United States. Trump also enhanced U.S. capabilities for fighting viruses when he first took office long before the Wuhan virus reared its ugly head.
Let’s see if the Democrats give Trump what he needs to fight this fight. They appear to have formulated a bill that Trump will not be able to sign, and then the Democrats intend to adjourn and go home and do nothing to help the Wuhan virus situation.
Here’s an example of Democrat “cooperation”: There are millions of N95 masks available right now, but they can’t be used by the medical profession because the masks were made for the construction trades and other jobs. In order for these N95 masks to be used by the medical profession, Congress would have to pass a law allowing this use. The Democrats have refused to consider this and put it forward for a vote.
Let’s see how your wonderful Democrats handle this situation. They are more interested in resisting everything Trump does, than in protecting the United States. They are insane and should be voted out of office in November if we value our freedoms and safety.
“How Coronavirus Could Set Back the Fight Against Climate Change”
There is no “fight against climate change”, there’s no way you could fight it. There’s only a fight against free markets and Capitalism.
It is high time that these hypocritical co2 wasting conferences end. Perhaps they now learn how to teleconference.
BizJets and private charter crews are working rosters in high demand. Anything biz/private with wings is already overbooked, no matter the price surge.
Remdesivir and chloroquine effectively inhibit the recently emerged novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV) in vitro.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41422-020-0282-0
The first an antiviral, the second an antimalarial. Both are toxic in vivo. I’m certain a lot of the mortality we’re seeing is due to antiviral-induced organ failure that occurs after patients are hospitalized. Experts are starting to warn about that.
Doctors that treat WuFlu with antivirals are basically using patients as human guinea pigs. How much you want to bet that mortalities caused by antivirals are recorded as being caused by the virus?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15861345
It is always dangerous to speculate about the future, we just don’t know what we don’t know, as they say.
This latest over hyped crisis, i.e. Covid-19 is seen here in the UK as just another cold for those who get it. There have been 8 people die here while they have the virus in their system. All of the eight were elderly patients receiving treatments and all were vulnerable to any infection.
On the plus side, if the COP lot are having to stay on the ground that is a good thing. I object to my tax payments being squandered on unnecessary/pointless gatherings of propagandists.
The prospect, of being in Glasgow during a cold, dark, and wet November with the added potential to contract the new season’s Covid-20 mutation must make some of the Climate Alarm advocates think about going?
Who knows? Maybe this year, the numbers will be down into the mere thousands of freeloaders, instead of the tens of thousands that normally find an excuse to justify attending an expenses paid extended conference in an exotic location, like…..Glasgow.
The company I work for has just announced a worker, who works in relative isolation to most others as it happens, has just been confirmed to be infected with the virus. Workers in teams are to separate while at work. So half the team I work in, about 30 people, will be seated on another floor in the building two floors away from where we normally work. Extra cleaning staff have been arranged to clean all areas several times a day. There are plans to make working form home mandatory until this all blows over. There are “How to wash your hands!” signs all over the place, particularly in toilets (Yes there are people who don’t wash their hands after visiting the toilet).
It’s all a little bit crazy here in Australia.
I see where Tom Hanks, the actor, contracted the Wuhan virus while filming in Australia. He was reporting fairly mild symptoms in his tweet yesterday.
I haven’t really heard much about this situation in Australia. How widespread it is, that is.
Regarding Tom Hanks, it probably depends on when Australia imposed restrictions on travel from China, and he might have gotten the disease from a Chinese person working on his film crew. A celebrity like Hanks probably has contact with many more people, and would have a higher chance of getting a disease than the average person. If he recovers quickly, he could help dispel the panic about this disease. He might be helped by the fact that it’s late summer in Australia, and COVID-19 is more contagious in cold weather than warm weather.
I’m smelling a rat over China’s claim that cases there have reduced dramatically. Try finding independent verification of this. I have failed
People were travelling out of the infection area for their New Year holidays before the quarantine was enforced right?
The Communist Party of China has every reason the hide the truth now. Its very survival depends on it:
1: It is already puffing itself up locally and on the global stage as being a fine example of a “superior health
system”. They will be following and reporting the US escalation with relish
2: It HAS to get its economy cranking again. Good luck with that
+1
One or two thousand dead / month of the older unproductive population is an affordable collateral damage. However, fact that the younger driving its industry and the army sail through it relatively effortlessly and acquiring immunity it is a lucky break for the country of 1.4 billion people. They realise that their draconian one child policy backfired, now they know more about the virus a contrary perverse logic may be prevailing; let people get infected, dispense with the old and the feeble, the more immune and able people left the better. This industrial giant needs to keep its industry going at full steam ahead while rapidly updating its military technology behind the scene.
Not entirely new idea, is it?
“People were travelling out of the infection area for their New Year holidays before the quarantine was enforced right?”
It is claimed that the Chinese government put their military and political cadres in Wuhan on lockdown about December 1, 2019. So we have to assume that this is when the Chinese govenment realized they had a problem.
So from Dec. 1, 2019, until now (except in the United States) infected Chinese have been traveling all over the globe. President Trump stopped all travel from China on January 31, 2020. Had he known about the extent of the problem back on Dec. 1, he could have stopped travel then and the U.S. would have prevented a lot of infected people from entering our country. The Chinese government is culpable in many unnecessary deaths around the world because of their coverup of the Wuhan virus.
All the Democrats condenmed Trump for introducing the China travel ban. Another demonstration of just how clueless Democrats really are when it comes to defending the United States.
Now that’s serious, an international Quango crisis could reducing the number of plates of free sandwiches.
The usa armed forces will be given Remdesivir free of charge for anybody who falls ill….
If the armed forces are using it, could it mean that the drug actually works??
Could anybody confirm this to be true please.
https://londonbulletin.co.uk/us-troops-to-get-coronavirus-drugs-free-of-charge-p9382-362.htm
No, it means the drug manufacturer is getting a basically free trial for its drug.
It works by reducing virus replication. It even lessened severity of Ebola significantly and showed promise in a couple of Chinese studies. It can even work generally as a preventative. There are a lot of questions, however, especially around side effects. The following discusses its mechanism of action.
https://www.drugtargetreview.com/news/56798/mechanism-of-action-revealed-for-remdesivir-potential-coronavirus-drug/
I’ve been investigating the possibility that tuberculous pneumonia is being misdiagnosed as WuFlu, i.e., viral pneumonia. I knew Iran, another WuFlu hotspot, has an endemic problem with drug-resistant TB, now I find this:
Italy Is Second Country With Coronavirus Outbreak Preceded By A Tuberculosis Epidemic
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/03/no_author/italy-is-second-country-with-coronavirus-outbreak-preceded-by-a-tuberculosis-epidemic/
Remember how polluted the air is in Wuhan?
Association of air pollution with the risk of initial outpatient visits for tuberculosis in Wuhan, China.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/31300562
China has the second largest burden of TB in the world. I haven’t been able to find a comparison of incidence rates among its various provinces, but Hubei’s (Wuhan) are fairly high.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3819319/
Icisil
There are two hotspots in the world for coronavirus infections: Wuhan, China (Hubei Province) and Italy. Both of these geographic areas were grappling with tuberculosis outbreaks prior to the eruption of the mutated COVID-19 coronavirus. Strangely, coronavirus appears to spread to the rest of the world from these hotspots via airplane travel. But the infection remains in those infected and may spread within a household, but not into the community. Other geographical outbreaks must be questioned as there are too many false positive tests to confirm COVID-19 coronavirus, which at this point in time may be nothing more than a passenger virus that accompanies tubercular infections.
The COVID-19 epidemic in Italy, which has that country in a lockdown, is worthy of investigation because of the politics and migration in that country.
In a prior report I cited the pre-coronavirus outbreak of tuberculosis in Wuhan China coupled with culling and incineration of herds of pigs infected with African swine flu that created aerosolized pig waste particles that infected humans with a Mycobacterium tuberculosis. Tuberculosis is largely a lung disease that kills 1.7 million humans annually. TB may be the origin of this deadly infection as normally coronavirus produces mild infections. Tuberculosis fills the lungs with fluid and the patient drowns in their own secretions. That is what is happening in Wuhan.
The prevalence rate of TB among screened asylum seekers in Italy is huge – almost as high as the Philippines (554 per 100,000, the highest on earth). Notice the TB screening happened in N Italy, where the WuFlu cluster is located.
https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/65/8/1407/4096481
TB is bacterial and not likely misdiagnosed, and as you point out it preceded CV and is well characterized. Nothing says you can’t be hit by a truck and a car, however.
Accurate TB diagnosis takes time – up to 4 weeks, and twice that to develop drug resistant treatments. Sputum tests can be done quickly, but they only catch cases with a lot of bacteria present, so infections can easily fly under the radar. It’s impossible to diagnosis TB via just clinical and radiological criteria. Overworked healthcare workers in Wuhan may not even be testing for TB being caught up in the panic that everything is WuFlu.
Seems its true
The usa armed forced wouldn’t use a risky unproven drug on this service members?
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2020/03/10/army-signs-agreement-with-drug-giant-gilead-on-experimental-covid-19-treatment/
Don’t be naive. Of course they would.
Republic of Ireland (pop.5 million) has 43 confirmed cases and one dead, now they are closing all schools and colleges until the end of this month.
In my IT outfit we’ve been told to stay home and work remotely if getting to the office would involve the use of public transport for any distance. We all accept this, and for those of us still going to the office (I don’t have to travel far, and cycle) it’s blissfully quiet and I’m getting heaps done.
The COP-26 meetings and spin-offs could all be done by teleconference and electronic document exchange. There is no need at all for face-to-face meetings at all. In fact, the participants and organisers could lead by example and signal their virtue by announcing a complete renunciation of all travel for this pointless charade.
But wait. That would mean no visits to nice places like Italy , with good food, and wine, dancing girls, no spousal supervision, etc.. All at the taxpayers’ expense of course.
I’ll wait for the announcement, but I won’t hold my breath.
The fact that
a) they’re bleating about travel restrictions, and
b) they haven’t announced a plan to get round it by teleconferencing
reveals their true colours.
The outcome doesn’t matter, it’s the (all-expenses-paid) process that matters.
…And to add insult to injury, Saudi Arabia and Russia have begun fisticuffs which has seen the price of oil fall off a cliff – which suddenly makes the claim about ‘renewables’ being ‘as cheap as fossil fuels’ seem a bit optimistic…
Don’cha just love it when reality trumps (sorry) dodgy economics..?
First swine fever and mass pig culling and then corona. Both from china at the same time, corona killing people, and swine killing mass herds of pigs..
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/17/business/china-pigs-african-swine-fever.html
The guy in the article I linked to above claims that they incinerated swine carcasses. He didn’t provide supporting info for that claim, and I haven’t been able to verify that. If they did incinerate carcasses that opens up the possible vector of avian tuberculosis in pigs becoming airborne. Couple that with the heavy particulate pollution in Wuhan, which exacerbates TB infection, and … who knows?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4983314/
UK tests about 1200 people daily, latest number is 590 have tested positive for the coronavirus, an increase of 134 compared to 2pm yesterday, that makes it 29% increase in total in 24 hours or about 150% up on the day before. The UK is tracking Italy’s progression with about 10-12 day delay. Grim!
Very changeable weather in Europe. I predict the peak of infection at the turn of March and April.
At least they are not still flying “Ghost Flights” any more.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/mar/10/eu-airlines-ghost-flights-coronavirus-fightback-airport-landing-rules-empty-planes
For more on ghost flights see:
If the global warming scaremongers aren’t hopping on planes to attend conferences for fear of COVID-19, they are reducing their CO2 emissions, and helping their cause. It took a virus to bring them to their senses.
At the today’s press conference with the UK’s PM Boris Johnson, the government’s chief scientific adviser Sir Patrick Vallance said: “There are currently 590 cases that have been identified in the UK. If you calculate what that really means in terms of the total number, it is much more likely that we have between 5,000 and 10,000 people infected at the moment. ” He said number may rise until early May, but could not provide a number of cases expected.
This graph shows actual rise in numbers
However, from the above it is difficult to estimate number of cases in about 7 weeks time.
Here I’ve plotted numbers on logarithmic scale and extended with a likely trend line
http://www.vukcevic.co.uk/UK-COVID-19.htm
showing about 70,000 confirmed cases, while a real number according to the government’s chief scientific adviser Sir Patrick Vallance “If you calculate what that really means in terms of the total number, it is much more likely that we have between” seven hundred thousand and one and half million, in the first half of this cycle.
This is at the worst less than 2.5% of the total UK population. If in the second declining half of the cycle similar numbers follow (the bell curve) then total number of the UK population getting affected and acquiring immunity would be at the most in order of 5%.
I shall update the graph as we progress towards the peak and adjust numbers as required.
“…as international travel has ground to a halt…”
Well … can we detect a corresponding decrease in CO2 at Mauna Loa?
Absolute disgrace !
UK abandoning testing and quarantine of all except those who are hospitalised in critical condition.
This will seriously hide extent of pandemic spread in that UK, making numbers look good.
This is case of ‘hide expansion’.
“Millions of Britons will need to contract coronavirus in order to control the impact of the disease which is likely to return year on year”, the government’s chief scientific adviser said.
Case of the postnormal science ?!
From economy point of view it makes perfect sense.
Unproductive older and weak people will be eliminated, reducing stress on NHS, social services, dementia homes, state pension finances, council housing and any home-care productive members of families can be otherwise gainfully employed.
Younger, healthier and productive members of population after a week or two of work will gain immunity, go back to work, pay taxes and keep the cunning well paid political class happy. If China can do it, the UK could do it even better.
What’s not to like.
Some people just HAVE TO die of something.
Normally it’s a non entity called “the flu”.
… and which age group are you?
Age mortality rate
0–9 – 0%
10–19 – 0.2%
20–29 – 0.2%
30–39 – 0.2%
40–49 – 0.4%
50–59 – 1.3%
60–69 – 3.6%
70–79 – 8.0%
80+ – 14.8 %