James Delingpole 29 Nov 2019
Greta Thunberg the teenage Climate Puppet has gone full Marxist.
In her latest public statement, she says that the ‘climate crisis is not just about the environment’:
It is a crisis of human rights, of justice, and of political will. Colonial, racist, and patriarchal systems of oppression have created and fueled it. We need to dismantle them all.
Greta the Climate Puppet goes full-Marxist:
"After all, the climate crisis is not just about the environment. It is a crisis of human rights, of justice, and of political will. Colonial, racist, and patriarchal systems of oppression have created and fueled it." https://t.co/mffeq9eAKP
— Steve Milloy (@JunkScience) November 29, 2019
To anyone familiar with the workings of the green movement, Greta’s statement will come as no surprise whatsoever.
That’s why I called my book on the subject Watermelons.
Environmentalists are often green on the outside, red on the inside. Their movement is essentially a global socialistic redistribution exercise hiding behind a mask of green righteousness.
Meanwhile, the consequences of little Greta’s hissy fits are being felt across Europe and hitting ordinary people hard.
In Germany the car industry is ailing badly:
Daimler, the German company that makes Mercedes-Benz cars, will slash at least 10,000 jobs worldwide in a major cost-cutting drive to help finance the switch to electric cars.
“The total number worldwide will be in the five-digits,” said personnel chief Wilfried Porth. More than 1,000 managers stand to lose their jobs.
As it is also in the UK:
Production this year is down by 14 per cent on the same period in 2018. The only month to rise was August, when output was artificially raised because many plants were shut in the same month a year earlier.
“Yet another month of falling car production makes these extremely worrying times for the sector,” said SMMT chief executive Mike Hawes.
Germany’s electricity prices have rocketed to their highest ever:
More than 340,000 German households had their electricity turned off last year because they couldn’t pay their electricity bills. A mother is sitting with her son in her darkened apartment in Hanover (Source: DPA)
While wholesale electricity prices in Germany have increased by about 13 percent in 2019, taxes and levies on electricity have reached their highest level ever and will cost German families and consumers a staggering 44 billion euros in 2020.
And yet again the latest UN Climate Summit – COP25 – which Greta Thunberg is attending is destined to be a damp squib, with lots of scaremongering talk and little concerted action.
Any carbon dioxide emissions cuts it agrees on will be more than offset by the growth of Chinese industry.
How many people believe that Greta composed this tweet all by herself ?
We won’t need a calculator for this one. Just the fingers on both hands of one person.
It is in quotation marks, which usually means the writer is not claiming to be the original author, but quoting someone else’s words.
Yes, by Greta Thunberg, Luisa Neubauer, Angela Valenzuela.
https://www.commondreams.org/views/2019/11/29/why-we-strike-again
I’d wager that if you asked her, without her handlers present, what “patriarchal” meant, she couldn’t tell you.
Four , at least …. Loydo , Griff , Steve45 , Noreaster …
😉
Others such as Steven and Nick will say that they believe it.
The Chinese are paying for all of this. Unfortunately most of our children are misinformed enough to believe the propoganda.
You stole my Twitter Dream!
HOW DARE YOU!
One person missing 9 fingers.
Honest question…..when Greta was in the states, she seemed to be all over the place…Calif, east coast, etc
…how did she do that?….she certainly didn’t walk or ride a bike
And then makes a big show about not taking a plane to Spain…
I think she does use trains, they seem to be environmentally acceptable for some reason.
It would Greta as long to get across the USA on Amtrak as long as sailing the Atlantic, providing there were no “unexpected complications”.
My wife took Amtrak from Washington State to Virginia (roughly 2700 miles for those not familiar) last year. Was supposed to take 3 days, took more than 5 due to incessant delays.
Maybe she used the same method as Phileas Fogg. In the film “Around the World in 80 days” he used a sail to provide the motive power on a railway. It can be seen at 1.56 in this trailer for the film.
Susan there wasn’t enough time….she had interviews on one coast one day….and the other the next
So, because Greta could not meet an arbitrary interview schedule – which btw would be a nullity if she simply used a phone or skype, like the rest of us unwashed billions of deluded souls use when we can’t simply jet from here to there to somewhere else to have a bit of a chat – she gets to violate her low carbon footprint principles…
while the other 7 billion of us are expected to totally turn our lives upside down, and be subjected to cruel dictatorship of the “smart people”, in order to feed her gigantic notions of self-importance and innate moral superiority.
Kinda seems like an unequal sacrifice, huh?
Or, as the old smartasses like to say, “Do as I say, not as I do”.
Very good question as its over 2,400 miles NYC to LA.
Did a search without any explanation.
She travelled by Tesla.
There is a video of a breif interview of her and her father in their hotel room in Alberta, interviewed by Kean Bexte of Rebel News. That is, until tthey realized that the interviewer was not a fellow climate loon. That’s when they scattered and called the police. Ha ha !
You should be able to find it on YouTube.
Assuming you’re not kidding, where did they charge it? Maybe they had a truck following them with a nice big diesel generator.
Still, as Latitude says above, she had events on different coasts a day apart. You’re not going to cross the country in a Tesla in one day, unless you put it into a cargo plane and sit inside the car, pretending you’re driving.
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a29267031/arnold-schwarzenegger-greta-thunberg-electric-car/
read John’s post above….too many miles…she got there and back too fast
I don’t have her detailed itinerary, but generally she traveled about 300 miles between visits where she gave speeches, met with politicians, led protests.
https://westernwire.net/where-in-the-world-is-greta-thunberg-climate-activist-comes-to-denver/
“After her speech before the U.N., Thunberg headed for Montreal. During a multi-day trip between September 27 and 30, she met with Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, whom she scolded for not doing enough to protect the environment, received a key to the city of Montreal from Mayor Valérie Plante, and led a climate march.
Through social media posts, one can track Thunberg’s travel as she passes through cities generally around 300 miles apart. A Tesla Model 3 has a driving range of around 310-325 miles and can take several hours to charge.”
Do you read what you write!?
“A Tesla Model 3 has a driving range of around 310-325 miles”.
i.e. without air conditioning, without heating, without the windshield wipers running, without the radio or any other extraneous drains on the battery. A Tesla Model 3 can reach 310-325 miles before a lack of battery juice stops the car.
300 miles apart fails to take into account actual distance driving via winding roads, traffic jams, hills and all of those necessary normal road side trips on long drives, like to restaurants and rest rooms.
Typical alamist thinking. 2 + 2 = 5 all day every day until they reach someone who can actually count, add, subtract, divide and multiply.
Tesla’s take several hours only at their fast charge 240 volt high amperage locations. All other locations take many hours.
ATheoK, that is from the link I posted. See the link, see the quotation marks?
AThoek,
Back in 2014, I was at CraterLake Lodge at CL national Park. Crater Lake is Lodge is long haul up a long 150 mile road to get there from most nearby major cities. A Tesla model-S was plugged in with a long extension cord from the lodge hotel room (about 150feet).
Fully Two days later when I left, it was still plugged in. It had never moved.
Once I got home, I did some research on the web on Tesla charging times. A 120V-15 amp connection will take about 48-50 hours to recharge a depleted (<20%) Tesla S 85 Kwh battery. I was there in hybrid Lexus h300 that was rocket when pushed and still got 35 mpg easy, and was always just a 5 minute gas fill-up away from another 500 miles trip.
EV's have no future outside of cities
“Joel O’Bryan December 1, 2019 at 8:40 pm
EV’s have no future outside of cities”
Or to put it another way, outside concentration/work camps (No freedom).
Thanks Scissor
I hope Arnold kept it in his pants … overpopulation is a PRIMARY climate offense. Don’t want to impregnate another maid.
Apparently, she drove from NYC to Iowa in a Tesla:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/10/04/greta-thunberg-drives-tesla-iowa-join-climate-strike/3869884002/
Little mention of the fact that the professional sailor on board was flown from U K to the US to make the trip – thereby totally negating anyy “carbon saving”
Arnold Swartzenegger lent her his Tesla.
They used an electric car, the model 3, that was donated to her for use by Uncle Arnold. Unfortunately, as she was travelling through some of the most oil and gas intensive grids in the US, the CO2 savings were not significant, when including for the embodied emissions of the car compared to something like a Ford Puma.
You can see a map of the trip below. It was published on twitter.
https://politics.ie/threads/the-stunning-hypocrisy-of-the-pr-machine-behind-greta-thunberg.272724/post-12782984
I will add it was the extended range Tesla. Not too many miles, not impossible, but not carbon friendly.
The 20th Century record of Socialist paradises was 120,000,000 dead. And people still think the next one will be different. Insanity.
@jorge Yeah, the high death rate is one of the things they like about socialism.
It’s a feature, not a bug.
H.R.
+100
One death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic.
-Josef Stalin
“Communism is not love. Communism is a hammer which we use to crush the enemy.” – Mao Tse-Tung
damp,
+100 x 10
The Climate Scammers are finally showing everyone what they are all about.
And it is not about saving humanity.
It’s about that “boot on the face” thing Orwell warned of.
This scam is not new – global warming and climate change alarmism was never about the science – it was always a false narrative, a smokescreen for the totalitarian objectives of the extreme left.
Reference:
The Cost To Society Of Radical Environmentalism
By Allan M.R. MacRae, B.A.Sc., M.Eng., July 4, 2019
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/07/04/the-cost-to-society-of-radical-environmentalism/
1. Introduction.
Ever wonder why extremists attack honest scientists who oppose global warming and climate change hysteria? Ever wonder why climate extremists refuse to debate the science?
It is because global warming and climate change alarmism was never about the science – it was always a false narrative, a smokescreen for the totalitarian objectives of the extreme left.
The Marxists will freeze us to death this time.
The one commodity that is not in short supply around the world as a result of global warming is useful idiots.
And they span the ages, from children (Greta), thru middle aged (Prince Charles), to the elderly (David Attenborough)
What a feast of useful idiocy the Anthropocene has been blessed with!
useful? Can I ask for what?
Unwittingly doing the bidding of the enslavers.
While I agree with your point, Mr., I do have to point out that Prince Charles is in his 70s now, so hardly middle aged anymore, even if he’s still a “spring chicken” compared to Sir Attenborough (who is in his 90s)
…and on another note 😀
Every news media, every climate scientist…..and every liberal pushing this crap…..knows it’s China and the developing world doing it
We can’t beat them on the science…we’ll never win….they won’t listen
…but we can sure beat them on the optics
Start pushing who’s doing it…start showing people what a $c@m it is…and we will win it
Yes !
And Greta …. HOW DARE YOU !
😉
There is not one single article….no where…..claiming China is going to kill us all
…every article says “we” have to do something
stupid moderation…
There’s not one article….no where..no time…saying China is going to k1[[ us all
…it’s always “we” have to do something
I think it’s the time delay between submitting and appearing, anything up to an hour or so, that’s tripping you up. Hopefully that will be remedied when the announced new system is rolled out.
Yes, Ed. But certain key words and phrases (like the K word in Latitude’s post) or multiple url links will guarantee a delay by sending it to the mods to look at.
You guys kill this thread.
Yup, using the K word put my post into moderation.
Sorry for the extra work, mods.
Latitude
This isn’t win or lose. Our planet decides.
if we lose you will definitely know it….
Our planet does not decide “climate Change”. It is purely political. Man decides all man made climate change. Man started the bogus debate and man will end it. Hopefully it will end without any casualties. If we subscribe to the likes of the new green deal et al there will be many millions of casualties.
She is right about one thing; “It is a crisis of human rights, of justice, and of political will.”
These would be the human rights, the justice and political will that the global warming faction want to strip from everyone else.
Dear Greta
How come you did all that traveling? Did you have a permit? Papers please.
You sailed on expensive watercraft which are out of reach for the average worker.
20 years hard labour for you!
La Vagabonde, with baby and teenager aboard, is nearing Galicia and northern Portugal:
https://forecast.predictwind.com/tracking/display/SailingLaVagabonde?mapMod%20e=useAtlas&windSymbol=WindStreamlines&weatherSource=ECMWF
So even should they run into trouble in the 28-knot winds blowing from the NE, they can be rescued by Iberian coastguards.
Have you ever asked a climate alarmist why she isn’t occupying Tiananmen square in Bejing to protest against communist chinese government policies?!
Greta has only a 9th grade education. She has three more years to go before she finishes high school. Her knowledge of science is on the general science level and apparently she believes all that she has been told. What she posts and reads really comes from her handlers. She herself is not a scientists let alone a climate scientists nor is she an economist.
What Greta does not know is that AGW is just a conjecture and it is based on only partial science and is full of holes. For example, the AGW conjecture depends upon the existence of a radiant greenhouse effect in the Earth’s atmosphere caused by trace gases with LWIR absorption bands. They try to hide that fact that according to their own theory the primary greenhouse gas is H2O which molecule per molecule as a more powerful IR absorber than is CO2 by a factor of 5. There is also on average 50 times more H2O molecules in the atmosphere than there is CO2 and of the CO2 molecules less than 25% were contributed my mankind’s use of fossil fuels. So mankind’s contribution to the radiant greenhouse effect is roughly less than a tenth of a percent.
A real greenhouse does not stay warm because of the action of heat trapping greenhouse gases. A real greenhouse stays warm because the glass limits cooling by convection. It is entirely a convective greenhouse effect that keeps a real greenhouse warm. So too on Earth where gravity combines with the heat capacity of the atmosphere to provide a convective greenhouse effect that keeps the surface of the Earth on average 33 degrees C warmer than it would otherwise be. 33 degrees C is the amount derived from first principals and 33 degrees C is what has been measured. Additional warming caused by a radiant greenhouse effect has not been detected. The radiant greenhouse effect has not been observed anywhere in the solar system and is hence science fiction so hence the AGW conjecture is science fiction as well. If CO2 really affected global climate, the increase in CO2 over the past 30 years should have caused at least a measurable increase in the dry lapse rate in the troposphere but such has not happened.
The bottom line is that according to the paleoclimate record and the work done with models, the climate change we are experiencing today is caused by the sun and the oceans over which mankind has no control. Mankind does not have the power to stop the Earth’s climate from changing as has been happening for eons. So dismantling the economy will have no effect on climate.
The communist economic model has not worked in the past and does not work now. Former communist countries have dropped it in favor of a market economy and countries that have not dropped it are in great economic trouble. The idealized worker’s state becomes a nation of slaves to a dictator.
“What Greta does not know is that AGW is just a conjecture and it is based on only partial science and is full of holes. ”
I’m sure she KNOWS, but DOESN’T CARE. She’s a willing tool of the Communists.
Greta is only 16, Ken. She pretty much doesn’t know anything except how she feels.
Pat, it’s so much more than just her feelings. You cannot compare her to an ordinary 16 year old. She has powerful people at her beck and call, they are making her life exciting, she is thoroughly enjoying the limelight.
Throughout history children her age became kings and queens. She is fully invested in ‘the cause’ and as long as she does and says what she’s told she’ll enjoy the ride.
She may never realise that she was used and I doubt she’ll ever even realise she was wrong.
Agreed, Megs. She’s being cynically abused.
From her perspective, though, one expects it’s all about feeling righteous, and perhaps feeling centrally important, like a fulcrum on which events turn.
All cynically cultivated, all false, but real to her.
Exactly Pat, didn’t we all think we were grown up at her age? She is being led to believe that she is.
I’ve noticed (at least among the people I grew up with) that it’s the girls that most wanted to be considered “grown up” at that age. As for myself, I was still trying to get into the movies under the children’s rate but beyond that didn’t care one way or the other about “being grown up” or not.
Amazing, how much wisdom you acquire from a persistent truancy.
It is always fascinating how certain numbers continue to appear haphazardly through time. 33 degrees.
With that said, it is evident that climate is not what the true issue is about. Reading the insanity from the 60’s and 70’s commune culture seems to be repeating itself.
“33 degrees C is the amount derived from first principals and 33 degrees C is what has been measured”
Can you provide me a link to somewhere that actually does derive 33C from first principles? I mean, exactly how was it done? That is has been measured is less interesting than how it is derived as this (or parts of it) will likely be what is getting plugged into climate models.
The 33C is axiomatic in the AGW world, just like the pre-industrial CO2 value of 285 ppm.
Sources would help
The actual agenda is Malthusian (think about Paul R. Ehrlich – the Population bomb, John Holdren, Ted Turner who want to cull 90% to 95% of the Population, Berny Sanders who wants massive abortion program in Africa, etc.) :
– the primary scope of those dangerous psychopaths is to decimate the population.
“Social justice”, “human rights”, blah blah blah etc. are just the usual leftist cliches for idiots :
– meanwhile, a global authoritarian government will speed up the Malthusian agenda, but even the Marxists who push this eco-fascist mouvement are puppets.
The puppeters are Malthusians.
The good professor Erlich was in Australia recently.
Ehrlich apparently doesn’t know the difference between science and engineering.
The good Professor should present himself to his beloved Soylent processing facility for a final meal and video. He’s well past his due date. If he really believed his junk claims he would. That he doesn’t provides all the proof of his snake-oil selling charlatan status one needs.
How does this outrageous old fr@ud have the temerity to show his face in public? Had I made as many grossly false predictions as he has, I would keep out of the limelight for good.
A characteristic of frauds and charlatans is the absence of shame or remorse … just sayin’
“the primary scope of those dangerous psychopaths is to decimate the population.”
They want to much more than decimate us.
Decimation leaves 90% alive. They want 90% dead.
“They want 90% dead”
Yes, it’s what some of them want. My improper use of “decimation”.
Because Environmentalists know that the real aim and agenda is a Marxist-socialist one of income redistribution and confiscation of possessions on behalf of the revolution, they merely pay lip service to the Cause and continue to generate CO2 as much as everyone around them. They continue to reward themselves with self-congratulation parties at Climate Junkets, flying in comfort both ways. They are however comforted by the knowledge that they are superior in virtue to the common bourgeois folk. They are green on the outside, red on the inside. They would give the Pharisees a run for their money on righteousness.
“Environmentalism” is the guise under which marxism is spreading, since the stuff wasn’t selling so well without a disguise. “Environmentalists” are “watermelons”; green on the outside, but Soviet-red within.
Why does the car industry need to lay of 10,000 people in order to start making electric rubbish cars? Will robots make all of the vehicles?
She took that little rant from xr.. I am sure I read the same rubbish from them as well.
Imagine how the German people feel as germany falls from grace, first by the mass influx of immigrants, then its economy destroyed by a Vile girl named greta and her green gang 😐
The last time Germans were driven to desperation, it did not end well.
The sad thing about poor little Greta is that she will soon learn that like Dolly, Jaws’ girlfriend in a fictional Bond movie, she is flawed and is not to be included in the future Draxian utopia; that her naivete, and teenage ignorance and emotion have been used for socioeconomic purposes and once they’re done with her, she’ll be scrapped. She will have never seen it coming.
Someone ought to be accountable for this; many forms of exploitation of teenage girls are illegal, why not this one?
Dolly wore braces.
And pigtails.
Pretty sad turning a child into an instrument of propaganda for profit and power. Hitler would be proud of this movement.
“It is a crisis of human rights, of justice, and of political will. Colonial, racist, and patriarchal systems of oppression have created and fueled it. We need to dismantle them all.” She is quite right! her stated agenda is destroying the human rights of most developed and underdeveloped countries
Goes? Everything she ever parroted (since she never came up with any of that bullsh!t herself) was the distilled essence of marxism.
What is the forecast for COP 25’s city.? May not be so warm…
She couldn’t work-in something about “Transphobia”? She hit all the other divisive identity-politic buttons created by the left …
I read that a crew member had to be flown in for vile gretas boat trip to europe, can anybody verify this? It was on @Steve Milloy twitter, but would be good to have solid proof
Many thanks
Well, it’s the Daily Mail, but very recent. Maybe a more respected source will soon publish the story.
“British yacht skipper, 26, wiped out the carbon emissions saved by Greta Thunberg’s sail across the Atlantic by flying out to the US to help her“
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7743223/Yacht-skipper-wiped-carbon-emissions-saved-Greta-Thunbergs-sail-Atlantic.html
I am curious who writes this stuff for her. I young girl, or boy for that matter, doesn’t spring on to the world stage endowed not only with writing skills, but also knowledge of all the buss words, strategies, etc. of the green movement. Not to mention where her funding come from.
She has almost made it to Spain:
https://forecast.predictwind.com/tracking/display/SailingLaVagabonde?mapMod%20e=useAtlas&windSymbol=WindStreamlines&weatherSource=ECMWF
Rough seas … they’ll all be chumming over the rail when they arrive
She got there pretty quick and to think I refer to her as The Magic Retard.
Gang Green is all about being certain.
When you are absolutely certain as in a True Believer, then everyone who challenges your wisdom is WRONG.
So therefore using the Power of the State to crush all “Wrongthink” is perfectly logical.
If you belong to a cult.
Why do posters on here keep saying that these people are Marxists? They’re parasites of humanity, getting a paycheck off the backs of people who create the prosperity. That doesn’t mean they’re Marxists. I don’t think their puppeteers are even Marxist. They’re capitalists like Steyer virtue signaling.
They aren’t all capitalists. Many came by their wealth through quirks of fate. It’s probably safe to classify them all as “the wealthy elite” or even “champagne socialists”, if you’re feeling chippy.
That said, the goals are definitely Marxist/socialist, and if it looks like a duck, etc…
“They’re parasites of humanity, getting a paycheck off the backs of people who create the prosperity”
You’ve just described Marxists.
Just because someone makes a lot of money is not evidence that they are a capitalist.
MarkW, there is a very wealthy peninsula in the northern part of Sydney (Aus) who think that Greta is spot on with everything she says. They really think that life will be ‘fair’ for all and that we will been ‘equals’. As long, I suspect as it doesn’t change their life in any way.
We need to do some ‘parroting’ like the ‘greens. Ask them to name one successful socialist government. Ask them if they know how many people have died under socialist regimes. Ask them if they have ever had to stand in a line waiting for a loaf of bread.
I am quite honestly convinced that the whole ‘climate emergency’ thing is BS, but I just as honestly fear a life under socialism. It’s more about power and control that any kind of equality, and there won’t be less poor people, there will be more.
” Just because someone makes a lot of money is not evidence that they are a capitalist.”
No? I must totally misunderstand Marxism (But I don’t think so.)
I’m with philincalifornia. I don’t get why more and more posts here talk about Communism, or what it has to do with anything. In the mid 1850’s Marx and Engels published a stupid little pamphlet “The Manifesto” which was subsequently interpreted by Lenin and Stalin. The movement against the “Bourgeoisie” by the “Proletariat” got a lot of traction during the Russian revolution (1917-23, for a lot of reasons. )
Hitler style socialism, maybe. Communism not so much. I don’t think anyone would describe Hitler as having leaned to the left. I also don’t think the terms left and right have much meaning in modern politics.
Peter, I don’t know where you’re from but the ‘labels’ left and right are fully entrenched here in Australia and it’s all about politics. Ten to fifteen years ago it didn’t matter, we were all people just trying to get along in life. In the last five years or so it has become ugly here, the hate speech from the left has become vile. Even our National Broadcaster the ABC simply will not allow any contributions from anyone right of centre. The political discourse is all from the left and our taxes are funding this! Truth and respect is gone.
I quite honestly hate labels, it used to be that we were all just people, here anyway, regardless of what labels we have had planted on us. It used to be that once you worked out that they were a good person then the labels didn’t matter. It used to be that you could have a conversation, a different point of view without being shut down. Labels cause division.
Peter, I decided to state my stance to my friends on climate hysteria, we moved to the country six months ago and I hadn’t heard from most of them. I made contact with about twenty of my leftist friends and all bare non have turned their backs on me. All are artists, some are teachers. I knew I would be be ostracised if I’d raised it when I worked side by side with them over the past seven years. Given that most of my friends were left wing I kept quiet but the political banter had become particularly nasty most recently and I finally decided that I had to be true to myself.
The push for socialism is real Peter, the people pushing it don’t understand the consequences.
Communism is the end result of socialism.
We talk about both because many of the leading alarmists have been open about socialism/communism being their goal.
No? I must totally misunderstand Marxism
If you think having a lot of money precludes someone from being a marxist then yes, you do totally misunderstand, Marx himself came from a wealthy family. And many a rich college kid have been marxist. Of course the rich marxists no doubt believe the when the revolution comes they’ll be the party leaders (the ones that are more equal than others) when in reality they’re the useful idiots who will be in for a rude awakening should their “marxist utopia” ever come to pass.
Hitler style socialism, maybe. Communism not so much. I don’t think anyone would describe Hitler as having leaned to the left
Only people who don’t know history, you mean. Hitler, like all the other fascists of the early 20th century arose from Socialist/left-wing parties and organizations. The clue is in the name “National socialist“.
John
Hitler absolutely hated Bolshevisim. (Communists.)
I am honestly confused about the modern definitions of “left” and “right.” They used to be fairly well defined. Russia: Far Left. Axis Powers: Far Right.
How would you characterize “left and right” today? I’m not being facetious.
I have an absolutely apolitical, well – educated, wealthy sister who won’t even look at WUWT because “the science is settled”. It’s a horribly common reaction among many people I know. They are so convinced, they won’t take the time to look at well reasoned arguments against the “%97”. I’m Canadian. I’m sure there are many who would disagree with me, but I just don’t see a defined “right” or “left” in this country The Amish, for example are by definition “Communists”. That’s “left”, correct? They don’t believe in the alarmism. http://theconversation.com/the-amish-live-simply-but-dont-confuse-them-with-environmentalists-101017
I’m genuinely curious how you would classify those in modern times falling right or left of center. I personally don’t think the CAGW alarmism issue is involved in that discussion.
PeterT, Hitler was a NATIONAL socialist, whereas Bolshevisim (Communists) is INTERNATIOANAL socialism. Both are socialism/left wing. That he was against a competing form of left/socialism does not make him on the right. It’s like Catholics and Protestants, the fact that there have been bitter fighting between the two are various points in history the fact that both are Christian religions. Same with Sunni’s and Shiites for Islam. Being on the same side of the political spectrum does not automatically make them allies or prevent them from being enemies.
The Amish, for example are by definition “Communists”.
No they are not, Who ever told you that lied to you. The Amish are not communists, nor are they trying to be. The Amish have a strong sense of community but they hold private property and maintain incomes within nuclear families. They do not follow Marx or the teachings of other communist thinkers, but rather the bible (and no, the bible is not communist either. Marx was pretty anti-religion, viewing it as the “opiate of the masses”). And the Amish are not attempting to force everyone else to live their lifestyle at the barrel of the government gun.
Miss this bit with my last reply:
They used to be fairly well defined. Russia: Far Left. Axis Powers: Far Right.
Again: WRONG. Russia and the Axis grew out of the left-wing socialist movements of the early 20th century. Just look at the leaders and what political parties/organizations that came from. All of them: Hitler, Musilini, Stalin, etc. they all came from the left-wing/socialist parties/organizations. The difference between the two wasn’t “left” vs “right” (as they were all on the left) but “national” vs “international”.
Why do posters on here keep saying that these people are Marxists?
You kind of answered your own question when you said “They’re parasites of humanity, getting a paycheck off the backs of people who create the prosperity” 😉
More seriously, why do you think rich people can’t be Marxists? Marx himself came from a well to do family – his mother, Henriette Pressburg, was from a prosperous business family that later founded the company Philips Electronics. His father, Heinrich Marx, was an attorney (not a profession known for it pauper practitioners). Marx was well educated having acquired a Ph.D (not something one associates with the poor of that or any other time period). And over the years since Marx first wrote his manifesto, many a rich kid have been Marxists/communists, as contradictory as that may seem.
It’s not the size of their bank account that matters, but rather the agenda they’re pushing when determining if someone is Marxist or not. And the watermelons are mostly all pushing a socialist/Marxist agenda.
Beyond that, we keep saying that they are Marxists because they keep telling us they are Marxists.
Thanks John, I myself have a better understanding of historical events and breakdown of different leftist groups, thanks to you.
If I were to attempt to ‘put it in a nutshell’ I would say the left is about ‘Power and Control’ (over others) whereas the right are more self sufficient.
Sorry, I’m not trying to make this the longest thread in the history of WUWT but just another point.
It isn’t only leftist thinking people who believe in the whole ‘Climate Change’ BS, there are many from the right who have fallen hook, line and sinker for the altruistic rubbish they are fed. They haven’t yet realised that it’s all a lie. Unfortunately CC and Greta have been successful marketing tools.
This is possible here partly because the right thinking people have been been almost completely shut out of the media and have no voice.
I fear that our own Prime Minister (Australia) is truly endeavoring to meet the Paris agreement and I believe that will be the downfall of our country.
OK, but that doesn’t clear it up for me. A Neo- Nazi radical wouldn’t be considered ultra- right? I have no doubt whatsoever spoiled rich kids throughout time have considered themselves Marxists. Most 20 year old, old money millionaires are probably Che Guevara admirers (if they know who he was.) Lenin and Stalin (well, sort of) thought everyone should work directly for the state. I ask again: In a paragraph, how would you define left and right in today’s world?
Dr. Google is no help – the argument about the definitions of political left and right are contentious and varied. I was curious what YOU thought. What is a Marxist / socialist agenda?
the argument about the definitions of political left and right are contentious and varied. I was curious what YOU thought
Megs pretty much nailed it with: “left is about ‘Power and Control’ (over others) whereas the right are more self sufficient”
The further to the left you go, the more government control/less individual freedom you seek, the further right you go, the more you view individual freedom/less government control you seek.
What is a Marxist / socialist agenda?
Why don’t I let some of those pushing it speak for themselves:
“This is the first time in the history of mankind that we are setting ourselves the task of intentionally, within a defined period of time, to change the economic development model that has been reigning for the, at least, 150 years, since the industrial revolution ”
– Christiana Figueres, the Executive Secretary of UNFCCC
“The goal now is a socialist, redistributionist society, which is nature’s proper steward and society’s only hope.”
– David Brower, founder of Friends of the Earth
“If we don’t overthrow capitalism, we don’t have a chance of saving the world ecologically. I think it is possible to have an ecologically sound society under socialism. I don’t think it is possible under capitalism”
– Judi Bari, principal organiser of Earth First!
“Isn’t the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse?
Isn’t it our responsibility to bring that about?”
– Maurice Strong, founder of the UN Environment Programme
“We must make this an insecure and inhospitable place for capitalists and their projects. We must reclaim the roads and plowed land, halt dam construction, tear down existing dams, free shackled rivers and return to wilderness millions of acres of presently settled land.”
– David Foreman, co-founder of Earth First!
“We’ve got to ride this global warming issue.Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, we will be doing the right thing in terms of economic and environmental policy.”
– Timothy Wirth, President of the UN Foundation
“A keen and anxious awareness is evolving to suggest that fundamental changes will have to take place in the world order and its power structures, in the distribution of wealth and income. Perhaps only a new and enlightened humanism can permit mankind to negotiate this transition.”
– Club of Rome, United Nations Think Tank
“A massive campaign must be launched to de-develop the United States. ”
– Paul Ehrlich, Professor of Population Studies
“The only hope for the world is to make sure there is not another United States.”
– Michael Oppenheimer, Environmental Defense Fund
OK. Got it. Thanks for taking the time to write that up, John. Very clear presentation of what you were trying to get through my thick skull.
I expected it to take longer, to be honest. I wonder if she’s (they’re) just racheting up the rhetoric, because she’s figured out no one is buying what she’s selling.
Greta for Fearless Leader and the next Great Leap Forward eh? Trouble with lefties and their progeny is they all think they’ll be the Fearless Leader but they’re a bit lacking in understanding the fallacy of composition.
When you believe in Utopia it’s axiomatic that only one Fearless Leader will come forth with the one true light and way to get there and all others will have impure thoughts. Just don’t express them within earshot of the Fearless Leader and the apostles or you’ll join the millions incarcerated for re-education or deleted from the program.
How do you know if you have impure thoughts? You don’t as only the Fearless Leader knows that silly. That’s for Leftism 303 but get nervous around people who talk about overpopulation.
She sounds like Ivanka Trump: https://twitter.com/IvankaTrump/status/1158081349674315776
This is child abuse. Period.
This young girl has autism, selective mutism, anorexia and panic attacks.
If this was your child would you parade her around the globe, fill her head with nonsense and/or your own failures and put her on the world stage when the outcome is going to disappoint her? What parent would do that? This is going to end with disappointment for Greta, a girl that has been programed her whole life to believe that the world is coming to an end if we don’t pursue some climate/social madness which we all know is not going to happen.
She’s 15 years old, she’s been programed they same way cultists are and she desperately needs someone to step in and bring some sanity back into her life. Greta’s 15 minutes are almost up, and she doesn’t even know it. Shame on her parents and the evil souls that have done this to her.
Anyone familiar with the practices of psychiatry, psychology, or social work who looked at that description stripped of identity would immediately start thinking of teen suicide risk. Who would her parents, handlers, and Rebellion blame for such a tragedy Jim ? And, what extremism would follow ?
For at least the last 10 years, since the ClimateGate emails release, or even Dr Michael Crichton’s utterly prescient future clarity writings before that….
Was there ever any doubt that the Climate Change Scam is a Global Marxist gambit cloaked in the Trojan Horse of Climate Change and environmental virtue signaling????????
Really. I’m deadly serious on that point. And intellectually well-armed on all the points and science to defend that reality that the Climate Change alarmism is a hustle. A scam on humanity the likes of which has no historical precedent.
Some other folks here, like Pat Frank, would be intellectually equally able, or more able than me, to take up that point. From the Climate Hustlers’ paleo-recons, to their instrumental temp record tamperings, to the climate models as error propagation machines, the deceptions are there waiting to be exposed . That is why the hustlers do not debate.
Thanks, Joel. But I’m only a chemist. You’ve got it to the bedrock.
Delingpole the Aging, Entitled White Guy, goes Goes Full Corporate Crony.
Yes comrade.
Loydo the agist, the racist, the invidious, goes full self-revelation.
You’ve already revealed you’re a refractory ignoramus, Loydo. Thanks for rounding out the depths of your persona.
There is no need to respond to the troll; it’s own words condemn it.
You appeared like mustard after a meal. What took you so long?
Loydo, the aging entitled leftist watermelon child, goes empty on substance and full on personal attacks.
Once again Loydo demonstrates that she is incapable of actually addressing the points made by the author.
Thank you for admitting that every point the author made is irrefutable.
Thomas Sowell calls this the vision of the anointed. Self-righteous catastrophe forecasting always leads to the need for the select few to centrally plan life for the rest. I’ve seen this pattern again and again, and the logical conclusion to this thinking is justifying population control, who lives and dies, who is in the elite political class and who are the poor bums at the bottom of the Marxist pyramid.
I remember seeing the bread lines in the Soviet Union and again more recently in Venezuela – Marxists never save anyone or deliver on their promises for justice, not in the long run. It is a philosophy that history has disproven, and proven to lead to some of the most violent dictators and loss of life. It preys on the worst Materialist inclinations of humankind.
It’s the Romantic counter attack, Lizzie. The specific ideology is just a convenient self-delusion.
The intent, mostly visceral and unexamined, is always the same: the frantic Flight from Science and Reason.
These folks hate and fear rational thought. They are waging war to eliminate it, and most especially those who love it and live it.
Nice tweet. Dictated by daddy?
Big Daddy, the man behind the curtain, Master George Soros.
Think I heard on the official German propaganda and entertainment program “breakfast TV” on Sat1, that Greta is going to meet with actor/singer Udo Lindenberg. This tells me that neither Udo, nor Greta knows that Climate Change is not really about the weather, but rather a global totalitarian way de-populate, de-industrialize and tame the average.
Udo Lindenberg grew up in DDR (Deutch Democratic Republic) which was the same sort of republic the CAGW believers want the whole world to endure now. In Udo’s own words: “I was the official enemy of the East German state,” says German rock legend Udo Lindenberg.
With his own strange humor, Udo is singing and speaking of the tyranny in the former DDR. But now he claims he would live to go ice-skating with Greta Thunberg – very strange indeed.
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Was it Karl Marx himself, or his buddy Engels, who complained about the attitudes of their servants? People talking or singing about the big scene but not seeing what is right in front of them.
Well I think the statement about German electricity prices and disconnections is a combination of the misleading and counter factual…
The renewable surcharge actually dropped slightly in 2018 and most of German electricity costs are nothing to do with renewables.
some detail here:
https://www.cleanenergywire.org/factsheets/what-german-households-pay-power
http://www.engineeringnews.co.za/article/why-german-households-pay-high-electricity-prices-yet-renewables-are-cheap-2019-11-15/rep_id:4136
I’ve tried before to verify the disconnections figure and I am far from certain it isn’t just made up.
but look, assume it is right then work out the percentage of disconnected German households compared to the USA…
@Giff
Germany is beaten by Denmark in retail electricity cost, they also have more wind turbines per capita.
Compare that to Sweden with relative few wind turbines per capita, which is a blessing for the Swedes, although electricity prices have increased significantly because they were obligated to moderate their prices for the sake of interchange to the wind sucking Danes and Germans.
I didn’t even bother to read your referenced pages, I look at the actual prices in each country and can add 2 plus two. Don’t make it so difficult,it isn’t.
The renewable surcharge dropped slightly, therefore renewables are cheap.
Really, is that the limits of your logical abilities?
You can’t find any data on disconnections, but you are sure they are made up.
Your willingness to believe any fantasy, so long as it parallels what your masters tell you to believe is unbelievable.
Who is paying her and her family?
I once met you at a climate meeting James. My God you were an a-grade nutter.
Said the brainless Climate Numpty.
Translation: I know that I can’t refute anything written, so I’ll pretend that I’m so superior that I’m not required to.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/swedish-schoolkids-taught-defend-greta-eco-activist-becomes-part-religious-curriculum
gotta indoctrinate then as young as possible
Oz, it’s happening now at a school near you.
German branch of this scaremongering PR machine publishes under
https://www.klima-streik.org/fileadmin/user_upload_191129/downloads/Flyer_A5_KlimastreikNov2019_WEB.pdf
Following sentence: “Vorhandenen Reichtum und Profite für den ökologisch-sozialen
Wandel heranzuziehen”
Which means: “to draft the existing capital and incomes for the ecological and social change”
I emphasize the meaning of the word “heranziehen” as “draft” ( https://dict.tu-chemnitz.de/deutsch-englisch/heranziehen.html ).
This is an announcement of a violent act.
I also saw a flag of Marxist–Leninist Party of Germany: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxist%E2%80%93Leninist_Party_of_Germany
Perhaps “gather” would be a better word to use instead of “draft”, although in this context “seize” may be closer to the intent.
Delingpole, like Breitbart, is a rhetorical rag bag with an agenda that tramples on every person and idea that does not line up with their confused idea of order, government and enterprise. If you cannot see some good in Greta’s effort, which represents a substantial number of your own children’s values and fears, you are a sad and cynical lot. It’s hardly her fault she is misled on climate change. She is not the origin of the well managed false flag claptrap that is benefiting … who? Yes, take a moment to think about it. You’re not even applying your own rules: “follow the money”.
The Climate Change movement and AGW hyperbole are financed by the natural gas and nuclear energy sectors. Open your eyes and look behind you.
So you’re saying Breitbart is like the NY Times and WaPo?
Private Citizen,
Putting aside her intentions, I see no good in Greta’s efforts. My children do not have irrational fears about the future because I taught them values that inoculate them against such things. Clearly Greta’s parents have not done the same for her, and for that I pity her. But this in no way validates anything she says, and her feelings on the subject are irrelevant. So spare us your righteous indignation.
What proof do you have of the second paragraph contents?
Hey you, Old Woman …. follow the money and if you can’t do that then follow those who follow the money ….
Viewpoint: The climate and economic benefits of nuclear power
http://world-nuclear-news.org/Articles/Viewpoint-The-climate-and-economic-benefits-of-nuc
https://wiseinternational.org/nuclear-monitor/826/manufacturing-dissent-environmentalists-and-nuclear-power
Manufacturing dissent: environmentalists and nuclear power
Energy Department Announces New Investment in Innovative Small Modular Reactor
https://www.energy.gov/articles/energy-department-announces-new-investment-innovative-small-modular-reactor
https://www.iaea.org/topics/nuclear-power-and-climate-change
Nuclear power and climate change
http://environmentalprogress.org/why-clean-energy-is-in-crisis
Why Clean Energy is in Crisis
At the tender age of 16, I have serious doubts that dear Greta even really knows what Marxism is all about. Of course, Marx’s work “The Communist Manifesto” is still in print today if she would like to “educate” herself…
https://www.amazon.com/dp/1440417830/?tag=mh0b-20&hvadid=3487909708&hvqmt=b&hvbmt=bb&hvdev=c&ref=pd_sl_44j33dlpgv_b
If her parents and handlers are (or have recently become) Marxists, they just might just indoctrinate her in Marxism themselves, assuming they understand it properly. She is of course at that age where she is easily influenced and indoctrinated by the adults around her and is likely of the mindset now where she would embrace Marxism. What would likely be missing from her indoctrination (if it happens) is the history of oppression, mass murder, and war which occurred in the name of Marxism in the last century.
At any rate, it is becoming increasing obvious that the climate alarmist narrative has become a front or pretext for the spread and promotion of Marxism today. Marxists must be delighted that it came along and gave them this opportunity. Buts seeing today’s young people becoming its target is frightfully disturbing.
Let them talk long enough, they always reveal themselves.
The skyrocketing energy costs may have something to do with the decreases in the automotive industry in Europe as well. When people can’t afford their electricity bills, they sure as heck can’t afford an expensive new car.
Why is everyone falling about for this poor, deluded girl?
Her parents should be held up for child abuse. Along with anyone else exploiting her.
What’s this! …… “At any rate, it is becoming increasing obvious that the climate alarmist narrative has become a front or pretext for the spread and promotion of Marxism today.”
CD. You must have cabin fever, buried in a Wisconsin snowbank. This is exactly the same kind of conspiratorial parroting they accuse Greta’s handlers of. (Unless of course, you are referring to the global Marxist leaders — China and Russia –; where ACC/AGW has no traction at all). Confusing, isn’t it?
If anything, ACC/AGW exaggeration is a product of commercial enterprise and its operatives. Sailorcurt is thinking: just who stands to make a pile of dough from transitioning to electric vehicles? It sure ain’t Greta and the communist party. Follow the money.
Private Citizen: You don’t spend much time (if any) reading or listening to what Bill McKibben, Naomi Klein, Bernie Sanders, AOC and other far leftists write and say, do you? It is not hard to see how they are blending the climate scare narrative and Marxist-socialist ideology together when you do so.
“”The Climate Change movement and AGW hyperbole are financed by the natural gas and nuclear energy sectors. Open your eyes and look behind you…”
Private citizen: I will suggest to you that whatever money the natural gas and nuclear industries may be sending to the CAGW scare movement is just a sideshow. Those industries would probably like to see coal go away much the same as the climate scare and enviro movements do. It is what they have in common.
The main event is still the demonization of the free market economy and the fossil fuels that power it. That is why the climate scare narrative fits in so nicely with the Marxist-socialist movement. There is a reason why environmental and climate activists are called “watermelons.” Think about that.
Off script, Greta is dysfunctional, I’m betting, … and I’ve seen evidence of this on a video somewhere, at some time or other in the past.
Quick now, Greta, repeat after me: “How much sun could a sun shine shine, if the sunshine could shine shine?” [wording idea stolen from Willis]
Sorry but no, that’s not true at all. She cannot go Marxist. She has been Marxists her whole life. Her parents had her brainwashed since she was a toddler. And it’s fully consistent with what she does. They want your money, they need your money and the only way to get it is to convince enough people that you must be beaten up and bludgeoned into submission. Because the virgin saint will do all the thinking for you. They are the BORG – resistance is futile.