Farmers bring central Dublin to a halt with tractor protest

Farmers feeling pain and frustration head to Dublin to protest.~cr

From Reuters

Padraic Halpin

DUBLIN (Reuters) – Farmers shut down busy parts of central Dublin for a second successive day on Wednesday by parking dozens of tractors in the streets to protest against low beef prices and climate change initiatives they say are unfair.

The farmers arrived on tractors from all over the country on Tuesday for a planned protest in a cordoned off area but instead parked their vehicles in the very center of the city and refused to leave until the agriculture minister met them.

Some slept in their vehicles overnight, many parked outside the luxury Shelbourne Hotel on the corner of St. Stephen’s Green, one of the main bus routes into the city.

Police warned commuters that a number of the city’s main thoroughfares, including Kildare Street, the seat of parliament, were closed to traffic. The city’s bus operator told passengers to expect delays on all routes.

The grievances are clear and they made them known

“It’s the only thing we can do, we’re gone if we don’t do this. We can’t stay producing food below the cost of production and we can’t keep getting blamed for climate change. This is about the death of rural Ireland, it’s dying on its feet as we speak.”

and

Some of the farmers protesting on Wednesday also complained about climate change measures, including plans for carbon tax increases. Hughes said sentiment on the issue in Ireland amounted to “nothing but farmer bashing”.

Agriculture Minister Michael Creed said he met demonstrators on the street and in his office, and he hoped that could clear the blockage in the city. Protesters said they wanted him to sit down with a delegation from the group.

Full article here.

HT/Willie Soon

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Y. Knott
November 28, 2019 2:35 am

– Happening in Germany now as well.

Frenchie77
Reply to  Y. Knott
November 28, 2019 5:43 am

There is virtually no MSM coverage of the French, Dutch, German, Irish, etc farmer protests.

Unlike the climate emergency, where unicorn farts are everywhere in the press.

Reply to  Frenchie77
November 28, 2019 11:35 am

The countryside of Ireland, Britain, Holland, Germany, France and the rest of the continental is a treasure, beautiful and tranquil, the lungs and the heart of Europe. It is a tragedy that the climate scam, which is entirely based on falsehoods, is causing hardship for the good people who inhabit and cherish these blessed regions of our planet.

Rural Ireland is especially perfect, with its tidy farms and villages, and its pubs where Harp, Kilkenny and Guinness flows and the conversation sparkles. Did I mention Bushmills, Jameson and all?

My family reportedly emigrated from the Cork area to Scotland about a thousand years ago, apparently seeking a more hostile climate and more frequent conflict with neighbouring clans and the perfidious English. 🙂

I feel a strong kinship with Ireland – my favorite area is the south and southwest, from Cork to Kerry. The road around the Ring of Kerry is as near to perfect as anything on this planet – pick a sunny day and take a bus – so you can see over the hedgerows. Enjoy.

Greg
Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
November 28, 2019 2:25 pm

pick a sunny day … and take a sou’wester . That’s Kerry. The weather changes every 15 minutes. Beautiful place, te be sure.

Gerry, England
Reply to  Greg
November 29, 2019 6:04 am

And they love racing motorcycles on the roads. Forget the anodyne GP circuits where you need binoculars. Try bikes going past at speed where you can feel the wind from the other side of the hedge. At the North West 200 we are talking 200+mph.

John in Oz
Reply to  Frenchie77
November 28, 2019 12:36 pm

It’s the same in Australia.

Every doom-laden report on emergencies, currently bush fires, is heavily reported and has all of the usual histrionics and over-use of the word ‘unprecedented’ with no reference to historical events of similar or worse conditions.

Nothing is seen of the overseas protests nor the effects that green-influenced policies are having on food production.

Patrick Healy
Reply to  John in Oz
November 29, 2019 12:53 pm

John in Oz,
Good day cobber.
Glad you showed up as your country is involved in a little Irish fairy tale.
For many years the ESB (Electricity Supply Board) has sourced Ireland’s grown up supply from a Hydro scheme in the river Shannon (built by Germans) and burning turf (peat) harvested from Ireland’s bogs and used in two power stations.
Now despite the fact that Ireland produces less than 0.001% of the world’s plant food, the idiots in charge have decided to stop burning peat to ‘save the planet’ Whilst I do think it is a good thing to protect the last of the bogs, I object for the reasons.
Now this is where the real Irish joke starts.
In order to keep the lights on the geniuses are talking about importing trees from Australia to burn in the two power stations. Apart from the ‘carbon footprint’ ( to use the alarmists lexicon) I just read that Victoria state greenies are proposing that no trees be cut – ever.
I also notice that Mann made global warming is causing the majority of your remaining trees to go up in smoke.sarc
Now can you or someone on here explain that conundrum for me.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Patrick Healy
November 29, 2019 8:19 pm

Around 7 fires here in New South Wales recently were started by…one of very people (Fireies) who are trying to put them out. 85% of the rest were started by arsonist members of the public. One attempt to start a fire was by a 9 year old.

But it is CO2 wot done it bruh!

icisil
Reply to  Y. Knott
November 28, 2019 10:36 am

This wouldn’t work in the US, but truckers could bring the country to its knees.

Sunny
November 28, 2019 2:40 am

Those who cry about climate change, should be banned from buying anything made from fossil fuels, Including, foods which are grown using tractors/combine harvesters, also foods which are transported using trains/planes/cars etc etc. no medicines and no blood tests/ct scans either. Let the vile idiots live like the cave men.

JPS
Reply to  Sunny
November 28, 2019 7:06 am

+1000
I totally agree. Let them show us how its done.

Redge
Reply to  Sunny
November 28, 2019 10:03 am

Those who cry about climate change, should be banned from buying anything made from fossil fuels

One way or another that is pretty much everything, so yes I agree with you.

We should also ban the luvvies favourite drinks, prosecco and champers, on the basis that the CO2 is going to kill us all. (We’re more likely to die being hit by the cork).

Alastair Brickell
Reply to  Redge
November 28, 2019 3:16 pm

Redge
November 28, 2019 at 10:03 am

Don’t forget beer…the AGW mob should not be allowed to have that liquid with its evil froth…all the more for me!

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Alastair Brickell
November 28, 2019 8:22 pm

Beer that is pasteurized has to have CO2 put in to make it fizzy. Lets not talk about bread either.

Greg Cavanagh
Reply to  Redge
November 28, 2019 6:24 pm

Simply ban coffee and soy milk. There’ll be rioting in the streets.

george1st:)
Reply to  Sunny
November 28, 2019 4:46 pm

Decent people do not ban or try to ban others because they disagree with them .
Civilisation is dependent on civility .

Reply to  george1st:)
November 28, 2019 6:32 pm

There are always allowances for appropriate exceptions among decent people.

noaaprogrammer
Reply to  Jamesbbkk
November 28, 2019 8:53 pm

“When in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, …”

KaliforniaKook
Reply to  Sunny
November 28, 2019 5:05 pm

I second JPS.

Dan
Reply to  Sunny
November 28, 2019 7:28 pm

Maybe Atlas should shrug

Fran
Reply to  Sunny
November 28, 2019 8:10 pm

They already think they eschew all the products of fossil fuels, because they buy ‘ORGANIC’ food at twice the price I pay, and don’t use plastic straws.

Phadrus
Reply to  Sunny
November 29, 2019 1:15 pm

We should have a Climate Change Week where nothing can be delived by internal combustion engine vehicles.

Patrick MJD
November 28, 2019 2:51 am

Awesome! Having Irish heritage and lived there, it’s about time the rest of Ireland affected by climate craziness, those outside Dublin, do what they do best.

Farmers make food. ER “activists” buy food. They should think about that.

Merrick
Reply to  Patrick MJD
November 28, 2019 3:17 am

ER?

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Merrick
November 28, 2019 4:17 am

XR?

commieBob
Reply to  Patrick MJD
November 28, 2019 5:01 am

I think XR is the official acronym for Extinction Rebellion. ER is for Elizabeth Regina. Apparently the queen is named after a city in Saskatchewan.

commieBob
Reply to  Patrick MJD
November 28, 2019 3:29 am

In Ontario (Canada) there was a successful Farmers Feed Cities campaign. Even if they don’t understand agriculture, people respect farmers. A properly done publicity campaign could be very effective.

Larry in Texas
Reply to  commieBob
November 28, 2019 8:52 am

That’s true, Bob. But MSM propaganda in Europe has misinformed the public to the point that farmers in The Netherlands, France, and now Ireland have thought it best to start this way instead. Dramatism from the other side of the issue, so to speak. To get the message across to the knuckleheads at the EU that the climate hysteria has to stop.

I fear that appeals to reason are becoming less viable when little girls like Greta Thunberg get more attention from the politicians than their own citizens. The tractors, along with the gilets jaunes (yellow vests, for those who don’t understand French), are just the beginning of a political revolution that I hope can still remain peaceful and not turn into a 21st century French Revolution.

Steve
Reply to  Larry in Texas
November 29, 2019 12:30 am

The CC garbage is fine until it hits ordinary people in the pocket. That’s why the scam will ultimately fail. Sure, they can flood the MSM with scare stories and hide the truth all day long, but the bottom line is that ordinary deplorables won’t accept drastic changes to their lifestyle and a return to the 12th century. Whenever normals are threatened in the wallet you get the Gilets Jaunes, labor losing in Australia, XR protestors being pulled off train roofs and threatened with lynching, and now farmers blocking city centers. Stay positive, folks! This madness will also pass.

Tom
Reply to  Patrick MJD
November 29, 2019 12:35 am

No, not awesome.

The Irish farm protest was solely about keeping Dirty, filty furren food” out of Ireland.

Irish farmers will embrace Climate Communism if it means a complete ban on all foreign food imports.

HotScot
November 28, 2019 3:00 am

But you won’t see this, the Dutch, and German events broadcast on the BBC.

Carl Friis-Hansen
Reply to  HotScot
November 28, 2019 3:43 am

Sometimes RT will broadcast the farmer demonstrations, but generally you will not find anything going against Agenda21 in the “free” western press.

John F. Hultquist
Reply to  Carl Friis-Hansen
November 28, 2019 2:31 pm

#21 has been replaced with #30, but, in fact, the time-frame is being downplayed, and replaced with
Sustainable Development Goals (SDGs) – – a collection of 17 global goals.
I guess in 2027 they will not have to scurry around and re-brand.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sustainable_Development_Goals

Read them and wonder!

Patrick MJD
Reply to  HotScot
November 28, 2019 4:20 am

Won’t see it in Australia or New Zealand either.

Mind you Greta fawning is nowhere seen in media now. She has had her “15 minutes” of fame it seems.

Scissor
Reply to  Patrick MJD
November 28, 2019 6:14 am

Just wait about a week.

Alastair Brickell
Reply to  Patrick MJD
November 28, 2019 4:20 pm

Patrick MJD
November 28, 2019 at 4:20 am

I’m not sure you’re right about the Greta fawning thing here in NZ…she and Jacinda are the best of mates with their mutual admiration society and followers. The only saving grace is that I think we will be spared a visit by the messiah as Auckland is a long trip by wind powered vessel.

sonofametman
Reply to  HotScot
November 28, 2019 4:55 am

Found it on the Beeb web-site
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-50570195
carefully hidden, I had to search for it.
Not exactly a well-researched article either.

Redge
Reply to  sonofametman
November 28, 2019 10:08 am

yes, but barely a mention of the real reasons why

commieBob
Reply to  HotScot
November 28, 2019 5:40 am

America has Fox News which provides conservative viewpoints. I don’t think the UK has an equivalent, although it does have the tabloids.

In Canada we have the National Post in which Conrad Black has recently opined that the IPCC, in the face of many failed predictions and embarrassments, has considerably toned down its message. link If true, that would be very interesting.

wsbriggs
Reply to  commieBob
November 28, 2019 6:17 am

For those just wanting unbiased coverage of news, One America News Network has coverage without the editorializing rampant in MSM and even Fox News.

When Fox claimed they couldn’t get into Syria, OANN had reporters broadcasting live and interviewing people on the street, not spin doctors. That led to the discovery that the “chemical attacks” in the later stages of the Syrian Civil War were staged by the White Helmets and not the Russians or Syrians. That information is just now getting out with the UNO admitting that some of its agents on the ground were, lets say, less than truthful.

Farmer Ch E retired
Reply to  wsbriggs
November 28, 2019 6:36 am

+10 for OAN. It may not be available in some markets but worth watching.

B d Clark
November 28, 2019 3:03 am

There not alone the French protested https://www.rt.com/news/474450-french-farmers-protest-paris/

And the germans https://www.rt.com/news/474345-german-farmers-protest-berlin/

As usual the British farmers dont do anything sit on committees muttering to their local NUF REP.

Carl Friis-Hansen
November 28, 2019 3:09 am

Maybe farmers have the same problems in in all EU and likely also in the US.
For example in Sweden the dairy farmers has been paid the same sum of money per liter milk during the last 20 years. However, for the consumer the milk prices has increased at the same rate as other food products.
Fertilizers are used with great care, as it is expensive, but the governments demands the farmers almost stop using fertilizer all together, resulting in terrible bad yields.
Farmer are constantly bullied for polluting and raising plant food (CO₂) emitting cows. The academic who never worked on a farm will know better and can better advice how farmers should or should not manage their farms.

About year 2000 most people came to live in the cities and get distanced from farming, they may not even know how the milk comes out of the cow any more.

hans overgaard
Reply to  Carl Friis-Hansen
November 28, 2019 7:23 am

What happens in Denmark ? When do we see farmers on tractors protesting on the danish roads ??

Carl Friis-Hansen
Reply to  hans overgaard
November 28, 2019 8:10 am

Good question, difficult to answer.
A left coalition of government parties have just agreed on a plan to penalize the Danish farmers by tripling the reduction of fertilizer, to comply with EU and the Green imbeciles. So who knows, the Danes may have balls enough to give a farm machinery demo in front of the government building in Copenhagen 🙂

B d Clark
Reply to  Carl Friis-Hansen
November 28, 2019 8:13 am
November 28, 2019 3:15 am

Drat! Their overlords were this close.

B d Clark
November 28, 2019 3:24 am

The BBC yet again produced a program attacking farming ,compairing it with the American system of beef production,it was completely wrong , the % of American beef producers is very small to the system highlighted by the propaganda program ,nearly all British beef production is grass fed and silage, with about 5% grain supplements, the BBC yet again guilty of mis informing the public, taking advantage of the fact that most of the UK population is unaware of how farming works,

https://www.nfu-cymru.org.uk/news/latest-news/blog-high-time-the-bbc-introduced-the-same-investigative-reality-check-for-its-own-programmes/

Redge
Reply to  B d Clark
November 28, 2019 10:12 am

I saw the programme “Meat: A Threat to our Planet” and about the only part I agreed with was the issue with groundwater contamination – this really is an eco-disaster imho.

I was quite impressed with the pig farmer trying to address the problem with pig shit finding its way into the watercourses.

B d Clark
Reply to  Redge
November 28, 2019 11:01 am

A few isolated spillages should not be allowed to destroy farming across Europe,the water courses in the UK are 3times cleaner than what they were 20 years ago, this is not about spillages ,spillages are a tool to beat farmers with,environmental legislation is about destroying farming and a land grab by left wing governments ,

Editor
Reply to  B d Clark
November 28, 2019 11:45 am

BdClark

Coincidentally I sent this letter to the producers of the BBC programme ‘Farming today’ earlier this week;

—– ——-

Charles Mackay -born 1814- wrote the book ‘Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds,” commenting: “Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.”

This chimes with todays mass climate hysteria, so we seem to have learnt nothing in two centuries. The reference to herds is apt, bearing in mind i want to comment on the BBC’s extensive coverage of climate change and its impact on farming. I have no farming background but like to listen to Farming Today and think it is very noticeable how farmers are really catching it in the neck for their Co2 emissions. Can I point out a number of facts which seem to be constantly downplayed by the media in their desire to find culprits, such as farmers?

According to UK govt and IPCC figures (The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change) it should be noted that ;

Only 3% of Co2 emissions come from man, the rest is natural. Britain’s share of the world’s Co2 emissions is 1.2% of this 3% . Of this, UK Agricultures share is 8.64 per cent of this 1.2% of this 3%. Cattle are responsible for just 2.03% of this 8.64 percent of this 1.2% of this 3%. Sheep are….well you get the picture. The numbers are trivial in the extreme.

Incidentally, digital activity such as streaming Netflix or using social media provides 4% of global emissions and are set to double in 10 years. Now, which is more useful, producing food or posting a video of your cat sleeping, to social media?

Greenhouse gases; Co2 comprises 410 parts per million of the atmosphere. 97% of all CO2 comes from natural sources, not man. (We are being accused of producing that little bit extra which is more than the bio system can absorb) The effectiveness of CO2 as a Greenhouse gas diminishes logarithmically with increasing concentration, with the first 100 ppm being the most effective Natural water vapour at 60,000 ppm is by far the dominant greenhouse gas .

The full IPCC climate report confirms all this, but nowhere states we have ‘Only 12 years to save the planet’ as activists claim. As regards methane, whilst more powerful than Co2, it is measured in parts per billion and its component parts break down after 8 years, so it hardly warrants the obsessive farming attention being paid to it.

Theresa May committed £1 trillion to facilitate actions that will save 3 hundredths of a degree in 50 years, according to New Scientist magazine. Lobbying our govt or blaming our famers is pointless as we are all completely irrelevant players. If our nation disappeared overnight, others would take up our all Co2 output within six months. Environmental protestors would be best to voice their concerns at China with 30% and rising, of global emissions.

UK temperatures The Met office maintain a database called ‘Central England temperatures’ (CET) said to be a good, but not perfect proxy for the Northern Hemisphere, it is the oldest in the world dating to 1659. From it we can see the depths of the latter stages of the Little ice age, the general rise in temperatures from 1695 and that we reached the ‘maximum’ 1.5C Paris agreement guidelines in the 1730’s, 1820’s 1870’s 1930’s and in the modern era from the 1990’s. Intriguingly, CET shows that no one living this century in the UK has known a warming climate, the temperatures in fact have marginally declined from a high plateau since 1998. The Met Office also maintain rainfall records that again demonstrate that there is no sudden increase in rainfall. Not that you would know that from the media hysteria. The temperature figures are here;

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/hadobs/hadcet/limate

The IPCC 1.5 degree Centigrade limits for the Paris agreement were bizarrely measured from ‘Pre industrial’ times, generally pre 1750, which coincides with the Little Ice Age. Why are we so worried about currently being marginally warmer than the LIA, the coldest period in the entire 10000 year Holocene? Climate changes. it warms, it cools, there are droughts and floods, as Met Office records demonstrate.

The past climate; Our modern bouts of amnesia regarding previous climatic conditions can be seen to be nothing new by examining the annals of Dumfermline Scotland from 1733/4, when it recorded that wheat was first grown in the district in 1733 for the first time ever, as the climate warmed. However, older records records show enough wheat had been grown further north in the very warm early 1500’s to sustain an export trade.

Climatically there is nothing new under the sun. The last ‘climate emergency’ prior to this modern one, was declared in Parliament by King Charles in January 1661 due to the ‘unseasonableness’ of the weather, following a series of very warm winters and very hot summers. This ended abruptly in the decade of bitter cold in the 1690’s often chronicled by Samuel Pepys. Equally the ‘emergency’ may have been reflected in the extreme hot weather of the 1540’s or the extreme cold weather of the 1560’s or the two years of incessant rain from 1315, providing five times the annual average rainfall with devastating floods and famine. Coming more up to date; A farmer from Buchan in North East Scotland, one of the snowiest parts of lowland Britain, wrote in the agricultural section of the local newspaper during the exceptionally mild winter of 1933/34.
“1934 has opened true to the modern tradition of open, snowless winters. The long ago winters are no precedent for our modern samples. During the last decade, during several Januarys the lark has heralded spring up in the lift from the middle to the end of the month. Not full fledged songs but preliminary bars in an effort to adapt to our climatic change.”

It then goes on to say; “It is unwise to assume that the modern winters have displaced the old indefinitely” and also; “Our modern winters have induced an altered agricultural regime”

Is veganism the answer? I am a life long vegetarian and observe that many vegans appear intolerant of other peoples lifestyles and want to force them to change, citing ‘saving the planet’ as the reason, which will impact fundamentally on beef and dairy farmers. Vegans seem to be given a free ride by those who should be inquiring as to how vegan foods have achieved their mythical ‘planet saving’ status, despite many vegan ingredients being imported –often by air-bearing huge carbon footprints.

For example, “320 litres of water are required to grow one avocado. On average, about 283 litres of applied water are required to produce a kilogram.” Much is grown in land from cleared forests in S America with a journey taking 3 weeks by boat- the most Co2 polluting transport known to man. The contents of many Vegan smoothies or meal ingredients do not bear close scrutiny as regards their environmental footprint. How is all that more sustainable and better than using UK produced food?

Farmers and soil It is true that farmers were culpable in the past for depleting Co2 in soil. However they can become heroes instead of villains by adopting practices that will store much of the Co2 emitted by humanity, as we have striven over the last century to live more comfortably and escape the often short, cold , brutal, impoverished and unhealthy lives of our forefathers. In this respect I thought this article was interesting as it illustrates the amount of Co2 currently sequestered in soil and the huge amount more the soil could absorb;

https://seeedcollege.org/soil-carbon-sequestration-dr-rattan-lal-director-carbon-management-and-sequestration-center-ohio-state-university/

“Soils constitute the third largest C pool (2,300 Gt or billion tons), after oceanic (38,000 Gt) and geologic (5,000 Gt) pools. The soil C pool is directly linked with the biotic (600 Gt) and atmospheric (770 Gt) pools. Change in soil C pool by 1 Gt is equivalent to change in atmospheric concentration of CO2 by 0.47 ppm. Therefore, increase in soil C pool by 1 Gt will reduce the rate of atmospheric enrichment of CO2 by 0.47 ppm. “

The past ecological damage caused by over zealous farming practices such as cutting down trees and hedges, encouraging large open fields, filling in ponds and over use of insecticides affecting insects and wildlife is another matter, and one that does need urgent attention.

However, this aspect has become conflated with claims of a unique man made ‘Climate emergency’ which, when looking at the broader sweep of history, is impossible to discern and is precipitating hasty actions that harms our economy, our hard won gains in human welfare and is specifically targeting our food producers, which is something that we will come to regret.

B d Clark
Reply to  tonyb
November 28, 2019 12:05 pm

Tony

What a excellent letter, I cant imagine what sort of answer you will get if any, I too have writen to the BBC today I’ve also writen to the met office in the past, I think it’s time for a bit more than individual lobbying however much truth and science we can bring to light , and thank you for sharing such a thoughtful and truthful letter.

B d Clark
Reply to  tonyb
November 28, 2019 12:35 pm

As a foot note Tonyb in the UK you cant just cut down a tree anymore , you cant cut down a hedge that’s illegal unless emergency access is required and then has to be replaced, or planning or a new road ,army ect, a farmer can not cut down a hedge ,this changed back in the 90s, I only see ponds being created mainly by the incomers who are only their because legislation has made it impossible to earn a living off the land for small farmers

Young farmers sons go to agricultural college they have learned how to farm they have been going to college for a long time and farm very differently from what their fathers did,yet we still see the attack on farmers their communities and their way of life,all in the name of the environment , I havent seen farm pollution as stated given the odd mishap ,I havent seen a hedge bulldozed in 20 years, I have seen farmers double fencing hedge rows to protect and allow wild life corridors, I’ve seen farmers bending over backwards to meet compliance rules and legislation , compliance and legislation mean two different things in the farming world, I’ve seen this year and last year more road kill of otters than I have ever seen before in my life so the rivers must be clean enough to sustain the fish the otters eat,theirs nothing wrong with the environment, the environment is a means to a end ,the lie of the environment is akin to the lie of global warming.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  tonyb
November 28, 2019 5:43 pm

“B d Clark November 28, 2019 at 12:35 pm”

In the UK there is a native flow that grows pretty much everywhere, particularly in fields. So, it grows in public parks where people walk etc, and you can be fined for stepping on the flower. It’s “protected”.

shortus cynicus
Reply to  tonyb
November 28, 2019 9:35 pm

Nobody at BBC cares about mails. What they care about is money extortion.

So to make an impact stop paying. Then decide to go into prison for it. If enough people would do exactly that, the snawballing effect kiks in and BBC will be defounded.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  tonyb
November 29, 2019 1:13 am

“shortus cynicus November 28, 2019 at 9:35 pm”

Some 200,000 people are convicted of non payment in the UK every year, and some do go to prison.

Problem is the court system in the UK is flooded with people not able to pay rent, or stepped on cracks in pavement, or drove 10mph above this speed limit, y’know, the real important stuff. People slitting throats is just overlooked.

Stefan Parzer
November 28, 2019 3:30 am

Berlin on tuesday: 8600 tractors and around 40,000 agricultural workers paralyzed traffic in the city. The Minister of the Environment tried to talk and was booed. After 5 minutes she (Svenja Schulze) disappeared.

Trying to Play Nice
Reply to  Stefan Parzer
November 28, 2019 3:47 am

Booing isn’t strong enough. They need to lynch a few of them to show they are serious.

leowaj
Reply to  Trying to Play Nice
November 28, 2019 11:47 am

Protesting is fine, even to the faces of politicians. Killing them is not, Trying to Play Nice. Please stop trying to turn this into vigilante justice.

Reply to  leowaj
November 29, 2019 1:09 am

leowaj,
I completely agree with you.
This is not the last resort; not even close to it.
Violence, therefore, is not appropriate [nor a good tactic!].

Auto

November 28, 2019 3:32 am

The food supply system in the UK is also under attack, two main prongs, firstly incessant programmes on the BBC about carbon, pollution, animal rights, and loss of habitat, and secondly the supermarket screw, in which farmers get paid so little that the supermarkets can afford to massively overstock fresh produce, a lot of which gets wasted.

Graemethecat
November 28, 2019 3:32 am

Good to see people FINALLY standing up to the Green bullies.

bonbon
November 28, 2019 4:05 am

One of 5,600 tractors in Berlin with 15,000 farmers, bore the English sign:
“FARMING: noun. The art of losing money while working 400 hours a month to feed people who think you are trying to kill them.”
Farmers at Avenue Foch, around the Arc de Triomphe, Paris say that their “whole profession” is under attack–livestock, grains and milk producers. One placard said, “I produce, I feed, I die.”
In Dublin they will be there again on 15-Dec, if nothing is done.
This follows October with massive demos in Netherlands, Germany, and the Gilets Jaunes in France.

It is incredible as the “elites” turn states into agrarian backwaters, they kill farming!
Goya’s famous portrait of Saturn eating his son comes to mind:
https://www.gettyimages.de/detail/nachrichtenfoto/francisco-de-goya-spanish-school-saturn-devouring-his-nachrichtenfoto/647008792

Sara
November 28, 2019 4:06 am

Most people are so stupid about food production that they their food comes from “the store”.

Drag them out to a truck farm and they get scared silly by the open spaces and distant views. Agoraphobia (fear of open spaces) is not uncommon. Unfortunately, most farmers truly cannot afford to go on strike, because their profit margin is so low. However, in all practicality, even if farmers could somehow go on strike against government regs, countries like Mexico (a big source of mid-winter strawberries) will just step in and fill the empty spots. That’s the reality of it.

No, the majority of people in cities have no idea where their food comes from. They are so disconnected from the land that those who have real connections to the land are seen as somewhat odd in many places. Backyard gardens are not unusual in my area. But in a close-quarters city like Chicago? Not gonna happen.

Gerry, England
Reply to  Sara
November 28, 2019 5:21 am

There are no farms in the cities – without farms there would be no cities.

jtom
Reply to  Sara
November 28, 2019 8:47 am

City-folk are quite certain that food comes from grocery stores.

Read the story of an avid vegetable gardner who had a college professor over for dinner. When the professor remarked how good the potato was, the gardner said they were fresh; still in the ground that morning. The professor was stunned, “Still in the ground? You mean you just yanked this out of the dirt and served it to me?” To his credit, the professor soon confessed to how stupid his comment was.

When my grandmother was raising my mother, she would grab one of the chickens in her yard, wring its neck, and it became Sunday dinner. That’s what you did if you wanted to eat. If that were still the norm, neither PETA nor Beyond Meat would exist today.

John F. Hultquist
Reply to  jtom
November 28, 2019 2:47 pm

and it became Sunday dinner

You left out the steps following the “wring its neck.”

John Endicott
Reply to  John F. Hultquist
November 29, 2019 6:42 am

Do you really think that level of detail was required to make jtom’s point?

Susan
November 28, 2019 4:15 am

Now let’s see them stage a tractor protest on the same day as an XR stunt! Might not be a good idea to glue yourself to the road!

Gerry, England
Reply to  Susan
November 28, 2019 5:34 am

That would be fun. I wonder if I can borrow a friend’s 11 ton crawler.

BCBill
Reply to  Gerry, England
November 28, 2019 8:48 am

That’s one way for this movement to gain traction!

John Pickens
Reply to  Susan
November 28, 2019 6:33 am

Spanish farmers need to do this during the current climate conference.

hans overgaard
Reply to  John Pickens
November 28, 2019 8:38 am

Yes, agree !

Redge
Reply to  Susan
November 28, 2019 10:16 am

No further comment required:

ozspeaksup
November 28, 2019 4:18 am

what really riles me is the bought n sold for payouts farmers in Aus who are the only ones ever featured in media items re how “green””sustainable” and led by science advice they are.
the ones who REALLY made a huge proof of evidence for smart farming without big aggro or so called science…got pilloried and run off their land BY those same authorities promoting the big aggro big machinery hitech crap.
for those interested see peter Andrews, and from decacdes past – the keyline farm system(now being flogged off for housing estates;-( )

alastair gray
November 28, 2019 4:22 am

If we were to do this in London I would willingly support it and woud be out on the streets in solidarity preferably driving muck spreaders and tractors through XR demos

B d Clark
November 28, 2019 4:24 am

David dubyne a advocate of alternative farming in the GSM meets ER in a sleepy English town hall

Be prepaired for strong language and finger pointing

https://youtu.be/d5nJqwFKKJ4

Carl Friis-Hansen
Reply to  B d Clark
November 28, 2019 5:39 am

The ER is a good attempt of making the Green extinct, by showing how ridiculous the sect is. That ER there should only come to Glastonbury for the festival once a year.

JP Kalishek
November 28, 2019 4:55 am

Marx in all its flavors eventually goes after the “greedy farmers” followed not long after by famine and large body counts.

Fonseca-Statter
Reply to  JP Kalishek
November 28, 2019 8:17 am

Just out of curiosity, have you ever read anything written by Karl Marx?!…

jtom
Reply to  Fonseca-Statter
November 28, 2019 10:03 am

Yes, have you?

“The way that the cultivation of particular crops depends on fluctuations in market prices and the constant changes in cultivation with these price fluctuations — the entire spirit of capitalist production, which is oriented towards the most immediate monetary profits — stands in contradiction to agriculture, which has to concern itself with the whole gamut of permanent conditions of life required by the chain of human generations”, Marx wrote.

Greedy Capitalist farming is unsustainable because it inevitably starves the soil of nutrients. It is nothing less than “an art, not only of robbing the labourer, but of robbing the soil”.

Furthermore, Marx held that “all progress in increasing the fertility of the soil for a given time is a progress towards ruining the more long-lasting sources of that fertility. The more a country starts its development on the foundations of modern industry, like the United States, for example, the more rapid is this process of destruction.

“Capitalist production, therefore, develops technology … only by sapping the original sources of all wealth — the soil and the worker.”

Those places that tried adopting Marx’s government controlled, communal farms endured famines that killed millions. The ‘greedy, capitalist farmers learned how to renurish the land, produce greater crop yields, provide an abundance of food, to satisfied their ‘greed’.

So what did JPK say that prompted you auestion?

shortus cynicus
Reply to  Fonseca-Statter
November 28, 2019 9:44 pm

Best start is to read his poems, when he dreams about beeing the destroyer of the world:

… Worlds I would destroy forever,
Since I can create no world;
Since my call they notice never …

Read the original article at TomWoods.com. http://tomwoods.com/karl-marx-wrote-creepy-poems/

November 28, 2019 5:29 am

Farmers in the higher latitudes particularly those bordering the Atlantic Ocean basin are going to experience much tougher conditions in the decades to come.
There was large drop in the solar magnetic emissions in the last 11 years in comparison with previous eleven, as integration of the relevant sunspot cycles shows.
http://www.vukcevic.co.uk/SC23-24.htm
But do not expect to see an immediate effect, it might take another decade or two to reach its full potential. Solar magnetic emissions vary intensity of the surface global field, inducing electric currents into oceans. Larger variability, stronger electric currents induction and more effective electrolysis and change in salinity. Even a small change in salinity has disproportional effect on the ocean currents propagation and consequently at the volumes of heat moved from equatorial region towards the poles.
p.s. Usually the peak sunspot counts are considered, however the integrated output is scientifically more appropriate.

rbabcock
Reply to  vukcevic
November 28, 2019 5:58 am

Thank you Vuk for all you post; to me anyway it is very interesting.

From a human perspective everything climate moves at a snails pace but it is moving in one direction or another. And then you throw in latency where a change in inputs don’t start showing up many years later and it gets even worse from a prediction standpoint. I think when sanity returns to climate science and the real processes are verified it will be the Sun and the Oceans that matter most.

Reply to  vukcevic
November 28, 2019 7:19 am

Magnetic emissions dangerously low, and so are our reserves of entropy 🙂

Reply to  vukcevic
November 28, 2019 7:32 am

An integrated sunspot record fora cycle is indeed a better measure than peak ssn. Peak ssn is greatly determined by how closely the solar NH and SH fields align in time. That fact is why I see integrated F10.7 flux (as a proxy for EUV/UV production in the coronasphere) as a better measure of the strength of a Schwabe cycle.
Even though SC25 is quite likely to be slightly higher activity than SC24, both are going to be below the longer term 2nd half of the 20th Century which saw a GMST run-up to ~2000. A run-up exploited with much propaganda and adjustment fervor by government scientists and other rent seekers.

pigs_in_space
November 28, 2019 5:46 am

The BBC produced a sickening totally sanctimonious piece about 2 days ago, where they sent an “academic expert” to teach a hard working farmer how to lessen his “carbon footprint”.
It was in the morning and annoyed me a lot.
I was spitting with anger, while the farmer stayed calm and said how wonderful that Beeb bollox was.

Saying the BBC is a doing this weekly, is not the truth.
They are RAMMING their crappy climate agenda down the listener’s ears almost hourly.
Not one news piece goes by without them having to go on and on about CO2 levels and how the climate apocalypse is coming.
It goes on through the night 24/7-365 with their equally crap, biased “world service”.
Time to call in the auditors and stop the licence fee con for good.

B d Clark
Reply to  pigs_in_space
November 28, 2019 5:50 am

The BBC have been challanged in court this month the judge threw the challange out, the whole system is corrupt

https://www.crowdjustice.com/case/stopbbcbias/

pigs_in_space
Reply to  B d Clark
November 28, 2019 11:38 am

absolute power corrupts absolutely.
The BBC thinks it’s above the law.

This can go on for a certain time a bit like trying to defy Newton’s laws.
Eventually another George Orwell will come along, or someone cook up another Jimmy Savile.

In my opinion, time is up for the BBC, just right now like the stooges in WESTMINSTER, they don’t and the “duck house crew” don’t realise it yet.

bonbon
November 28, 2019 5:54 am

As far as I know the farmers were not complaining about “weather” nor even “climate” – although US farmers were very hard hit by recent very bad weather and the Trade battle.

Price parity is the complaint, someone is making money but not the producers.

Look at the meat packer cartel, for example.

A quite different dynamic in Bolivia, where Morales had food export controls to keep the prices down for citizens. That cartel there just did a coup-detat, so expect the illegal “government” to dump export quotas, and domestic prices to skyrocket, leading to starvation again in Bolivia.

MarkW
Reply to  bonbon
November 28, 2019 7:42 am

Once again, the idea that farmers are the slaves of the people breaks out.
The idea is that farmers may not seek the best prices for their product, but instead must sell it cheaply to those who vote for a living.

Bruce Cobb
November 28, 2019 5:55 am

Okay, Farmer.

Gary Pearse
November 28, 2019 6:01 am

I wondered when the cowboys (Deplorables) were going to have had enough. I think an article on the grassroots protests by real people worldwide would get a good reception. Gîlets Jaunes in France seem to have started it off in EU and now EU farmers. South America recently with Chile (brought down the government), Peru, Colombia, Ecuador.

And of course the Deplorables in the USA should be credited with sowing the seed, although they did it at the ballot box, an avenue largely cut off in EU by the homogenization of the ideologies. I believed that the EU was already in the bag (city dwellers are) but, my oh my, I forgot about the deplorables! It’s cool that the country folk are going to save the asses of the city folk, undo the complete rot in academia and government, restore freedom and democracy…. It’s like a Grade C feel good Hollywood movie!

Justin Burch
November 28, 2019 6:02 am

There is some sort of “intersectionality” between animal rights morons and greenie idiots. One of the unfortunate results of this is attacks on farmers. The attacks are based on utter ignorance. Even the so called American model of intense factory farming of beef is mostly a myth. Most beef cattle are in pastures (which all by themselves preserve habitat) and the whole factory farming thing is usually only for a few last weeks before slaughter. I have actually had an ignorant city person complain to me that pastures are a waste of land and they should be covered with nice neat fields of things like soybeans. They don’t want diversity and habitat. They want control and neatness.

shortus cynicus
Reply to  Justin Burch
November 28, 2019 9:53 pm

I was surprised to learn that it was pioneered by German Nazis (National Socialists, left wing).
Animal rights law was THE FIRST law made in parliament controlled by Nazis, then it was copied by other progressive countries.

DocSiders
November 28, 2019 6:34 am

If the Democrats take the White House and ban fracking as they’ve all promised. We’ll see if the country really supports Climate Crisis measures as natural gas and gasoline prices quickly double, millions of producers and producer support contractors become unemployed, and the Stock Market crashes.

XR and Democrats are totally detached from reality.

I’d love to see a million tractors and pickup trucks (full of food and fuel provisions) “freeze’ Washington and Alexandria and Fairfax (Leftist) Counties…for about a month.

On the Climate REALITY ledger side, economically we’ve seen only positive effects from CO2 and the minor warming believed to be related to CO2. Instead of extinction, we see the best of times EVER climate wise. There is no Extinction Threat. There is no Climate Emergency. The “crisis needle” HAS moved but in the wrong direction.

Carl Friis-Hansen
November 28, 2019 7:28 am

Maybe the Irish farmers would benefit from establishing a group like “Farmers Defense Force”, which was established in The Netherlands, after it took the police 10 hours to get animal rights activists out of the stables on a pig farm.

CO2isLife
November 28, 2019 8:30 am

The Protests aren’t limited to Ireland. They are also in France. The key is “Newsflash: By Allowing the Government To Control the Food, Energy and Healthcare Sector, the Government Owns the Individual. There Is A Reason The Progressives Target These Critical Industries, They Want To Own The Individual.”

French Farmers Descend On Paris In Fresh Revolt Against Globalist Regulations; I’m Beginning to Notice a Pattern
https://co2islife.wordpress.com/2019/11/28/french-farmers-descend-on-paris-in-fresh-revolt-against-globalist-regulations-im-beginning-to-notice-a-pattern/

Farmers bring central Dublin to a halt with tractor protest
https://co2islife.wordpress.com/2019/11/28/farmers-bring-central-dublin-to-a-halt-with-tractor-protest/

Larry in Texas
Reply to  CO2isLife
November 28, 2019 9:16 am

Absolutely. Correct. Spot on.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  CO2isLife
November 28, 2019 6:09 pm

This sort of thing usually does not end well for those who wish t bring about this level of control.

Bill Treuren
November 28, 2019 8:43 am

XR is a great name, can we accelerate their feared outcome and very especially be totally clear on the outcome for them.

michael
November 28, 2019 8:56 am

Maybe millions will die of starvation in 10 years…but for the opposite reasons that XR and the Greta fawns are yelling about. Oh those unintended consequences….

Roger welsh
November 28, 2019 9:40 am

I ask myself: who is controlling the media (msm). Lies, warped information all of which seems ok with politicians!
What are politicians? Me,me,me etc. To hell with the public to whom we owe our position to honour.

Why do people think it’s is going to take so long for civil,unrest, already here. Just needs a leader who will come.

Gwan
Reply to  Roger welsh
November 28, 2019 12:55 pm

Our News paper group here in New Zealand STUFF publishes many daily news papers around the country.
They announced yesterday that they are pulling out all stops and going full retard on climate change.
I wonder how history will judge this period of time when the world went crazy with no proof that the weather that we are enjoying is caused by CO2.
Is it the madness of crowds,if you do not conform with the consensus and has no one learnt any thing from history .
The Medieval Warm Period and the little Ice Age .
These events are dismissed as though they never occurred.
People in cities have become very isolated from farming and have little idea how food is processed and gets to the supermarkets.
Here in NZ farmers are receiving good prices for meat because China has lost most of their pigs to African swine fever and they need protein so are paying great prices for old ewes and bulls .
The population of the world is still increasing and is projected to pass 9 Billion by 2050.
I wonder if people in high places are deliberately trying to disrupt the worlds food supplies by introducing and including biogenic methane emissions from farm live stock .
It is an attack on food producers for no reason that I can see as Methane from livestock does not add ONE ATOM of CARBON into the atmosphere .
All forage that farmed animals consume has absorbed CO2 from the air and during digestion a small amount of methane is emitted which is broken down into CO2 and water vapour in around 10 years
I have farmed all my life and I still are involved and have family on the farm.
Here in New Zealand our climate is reasonably mild because we are surrounded by the ocean .
Our farmers export food to feed over 40 million people around the world and we earn most of our foreign exchange that the country needs .
We have a very unsympathetic government as they are in a coalition agreements with the greens who are clearly anti farming and introducing Zero Carbon Bills .
Farmers have already driven tractors to Parliament to protest the fact that pine trees are being planted on good farm land and small towns are declining as far less people are involved with trees than farming .
AND YOU CAN’T EAT TREES
Graham Anderson
Proud to be a farmer helping feed the world

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Gwan
November 28, 2019 5:46 pm

Stuff used to be balanced about 20 years ago.

Reply to  Patrick MJD
November 28, 2019 6:30 pm

Or so it seemed. Might be worthy of a review to see if tricks were done.

PeterT
November 28, 2019 9:41 am

commieBob

I read the link to Conrad Black’s article. Everyone here should have a look.

Tom
November 29, 2019 12:36 am

The Irish farmers protest was solely a anti-trade protest. Nothing to do with climate, everything to do with stifling competition.

They are no allies to the climate realist movement.

John Endicott
Reply to  Tom
November 29, 2019 5:39 am

Some of the farmers protesting on Wednesday also complained about climate change measures

While most of the protest is economic, the economics they are protesting are largely the result of misguided “climate change” policies that greatly affect the rural farmers (while, often having little to no effect on the urban city dwellers).

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