By Shawn Jeffords The Canadian Press
Posted November 21, 2019 12:49 pm
Updated November 21, 2019 5:02 pm
TORONTO – Premier Doug Ford said Thursday he is “proud” of his decision to tear up hundreds of renewable energy deals, a move that his government acknowledges could cost taxpayers more than $230 million.
Ford dismissed criticism that his Progressive Conservatives are wasting public money, telling a news conference that the cancellation of 750 contracts signed by the previous Liberal government will save cash.
READ MORE: Ford government’s cancellation of green energy deals costs Ontario $231 million
“I’m so proud of that,” Ford said of his decision. “I’m proud that we actually saved the taxpayers $790 million when we cancelled those terrible, terrible, terrible wind turbines that really for the last 15 years have destroyed our energy file.”
Later Thursday, Ford went further in defending the cancelled contracts, saying “if we had the chance to get rid of all the wind mills we would.”
The NDP first reported the cost of the cancellations Tuesday, saying the $231 million figure was listed as “other transactions”, buried in government documents detailing spending in the 2018-2019 fiscal year.
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The Progressive Conservatives have said the final cost of the cancellations, which include the decommissioning of a wind farm already under construction in Prince Edward County, Ont., has yet to be established
HT/Peter T
Those contracts were ridiculously expensive, and meant to benefit the Liberal supporters who have invested in their useless windscam. It is about time we put the brakes on and stop the financial disaster the Liberals have been imposing upon ratepayers in Ontario. The loss of beautiful rural communities is devastating, and the loss of birds, bats, etc. is unconscionable, and for NO benefit to anyone but the crooks. Thank you to the Ford government.
There is nothing green about “green energy”.
So the Big Greenies are upset that He will be spending $231m not to install Hot Air rather than spending $1.2b to install it
The guy is a fiscal hero
Premier Doug Ford tears up hundreds of renewable energy deals, saving taxpayers more than $230 million. Now, that’s what I call progress.
Hear here
If I understand correctly, the government will have to pay $230M, but will not have the pay the remaining $1B. Plus a bunch of crony corrupt politicians will lose millions in ‘political donations’
nicholas tesdorf. Read it again please.
Yes, He has saved taxpayers nearly a billion dollars now,
and further billions in clean-up costs some 15 years from now.
Ontario is in bigger financial trouble than California, and businesses are still closing their doors in Ontario and moving to he US, sighting the cost of electricity as one of the biggest factors in their decision to close their doors and move. While at the same time, Ontario exports cheap electricity to the US, often at rates below market value.
Rob, Ontario had to pay the wind power producers at their Liberal Party negotiated high rate WHENEVER the bird-o-matics were chomping. They HAD to sell the the excess at market rates; they were, essentially, paying double for the privilege of massacring birds and bats while more water was diverted away from the Niagra River hydro plants since wind energy is GREEN! This used to be called political corruption and crony capitalism, today it’s called the Liberal Party position! CAGW is a HOAX!!
Don’t call it “crony capitalism”. It has absolutely nothing to do with capitalism. It is corruption and bureaucratism, plain and simple.
100% correct.
Crony Socialism is a commonly used term.
I’ve posted this here before but the insanity was unbelievable. Bypassing Niagara Falls with the least expensive power in the world, and boiling water and venting steam with no power generated at Bruce Nuclear are just 2 of the most egregious examples of things that were done because the contracts demanded we use wind power regardless of need.
According to Parker Gallant, “90% of what wind generates is sold to the US at cheap prices”.
Why are the people of Ontario allowing this to happen?
Meanwhile on September 10, 2019, Daniel Stapleton, director of Niagara County Board of Health had this to say about health impacts of industrial wind turbines on nearby residents:
Hope Mr Ford gets it stopped. Prince Edward County is a beautiful place. The last thing it needs is a bunch of ugly wind generators. They have already destroyed the Niagara Peninsula and the Bruce Peninsula.
Add Wolfe Island outside Kingston to the desolation imposed by the wind industry on scenic sites.
cgh Those ones are particularly disgusting.
Years ago when I could actually balance the fun I had at folk shows (because I like the music) with the preaching you get from the typical lefties who infest both the stage and the audience, I saw an a capella group called I believe “Artisan” from the UK.
Just after their “we’re all gonna die if we don’t go back to the Stone Age” schtick, they tried to sell is on those great wind turbines that were going to save us (this was back in the 90s).
“Except, don’t put them on our moors, we love our moors…”
Give him points for being at least blatantly hypocritical.
I lived in the County for awhile and remember the ferocity displayed by the locals when the wind energy companies first came around. It’s good to know that this blight has been kept at bay for so long. This is the only time I have ever thanked a Ford, whatever the reason for this action might be (not altruistic, you can be sure). So, thank you, Doug Ford!
The Liberals during an election campaign canceled two natural gas power plants slated to be build in Liberal-voter-rich suburbs, at a cost of over a billion dollars, because those Liberal voters didn’t want power plants in their own back yard; but when re-elected, they passed “green energy” legislation that prohibited the rural folks from any kind of appeal to the government’s decision on where to locate the wind turbines. (Then they “lost” computer records relating to the decision to cancel the gas plants, which resulted in one civil servant being convicted of a criminal offense. BUT they managed to hold power for another 4 years, and that’s all that matters in politics.)
I live in Picton and watched as the wind turbines were installed in haste to get them up during the election we all knew the Liberals would lose. We have fields of solar panels and can see the turbines in and around Kingston, as well as the gas fired facility moved from the Toronto area (where it was not wanted) to Bath, right next to the moth-balled oil facility, so there was back-up for the folly. There is another moth-balled facility near Port Hope I think (I see the stack) and gas fired facilities up and running all over Ontario because the Liberals banned 2 coal facilities, neither of which had been fully paid for (their costs were amortized). Not only are we paying too much for so called green power, we are selling much of it at a huge loss to US power companies and paying huge costs that should have been used to harden our system but instead were used to connect these wind turbines and solar installations and “clean” their power. What will be paid to put a stop to this is far less than what we would have been paying to these rent seekers.
Hurray! Some common sense in Canada!
Thanks for the H/T, Shawn.
I’m just going to re-post my comment from the other thread. Please take the time to listen to the interview.
(Attention non – Canadian readers. Some of the information posted below may cause physical pain and frustration.)
And did you see the ridiculous headline interviews last night on CTV? Here’s one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wU6bWbGLQnk. I sensed our new Minister of the Environment, Jonathan Wilkinson, was very nervous fielding ridiculous questions from the brainless pit bull interviewer about Canada’s progress in the battle against the “climate crisis”. (Who wouldn’t be, in his unenviable position? ) “Let’s see. Do I keep my job, or do I scream Boolschist!!!! at the top of my lungs”? I’m not a fan of Trudeau, but I’m starting to think these people may not actually believe CAGW exists. A huge percentage of voters on all sides do, though. I used to think our government controlled the CBC and CTV, now I’m not so sure. Maybe it’s the other way around. CBC recently requires people to post their real names in its comments sections. No more pseudonyms. So no comments from people whose anonymity is important to them.
Some positive news from Canada, though. Ontario Energy Minster Greg Rickford suggested that all sides of the AGW argument should be heard, and stated that one of his favourite blogs was Climate Change Dispatch. (Now there’s a dangerous radical blog. Not). He’s predictably getting ripped to shreds for his temerity. Oh, BTW, Ontario Premier Doug Ford is being sued by young Ontarians for cancelling $231 million in green projects. (Something about those pesky farmers complaining about turbines and solar panels replacing their agricultural livelihoods.) https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/greg-rickford-climate-change-blog-1.5373963
But but what about all the Green jobs he’ll be missing out on?
https://www.msn.com/en-au/money/company-news/audi-to-slash-9500-jobs-in-germany-by-2025/ar-BBXowuW
Meanwhile those of us with the smarts are waiting for the epic VHS/Beta struggle to save the planet to resolve itself before chopping in the SUV for the return of cartwheels with vulcanised rubber on them-
https://www.caradvice.com.au/805257/hyundai-nexo-certified-australia/
https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-news/toyota-determined-to-make-hydrogen-cars-as-popular-as-the-prius-77066
Whilst hoping and praying that at some stage the younguns will get a job and move out and stop borrowing the ICE car they believe runs on Gummint subsidies-
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/former-top-gear-host-jeremy-clarkson-said-idiot-climate-activist-greta-thunberg-has-killed-the-car-show/ar-BBXpeh9
observa, was there any mention of where all this clean, green H2 was going to come from?
Observa
I wonder what the vile greens would say about the 9500 people who will have to find me jobs? Also Clarkson shouldn’t agree to climate change, instead he should read some fact on the science then make a statement. Saying climate change is real, creates a bigger problem then ignoring it, james may just bought a crappy tesla, stating that he wasn’t sure which way cars are gling to go
I’ve been an environmental professional in industry, government and higher education for over 40 years. Searching high and low, I am convinced that there is no such thing as a so-called “green” job. There are just jobs, some more productive than others. The environment is an essential element of everything, but it doesn’t MAKE anything. As a professional, I do not drive this parade from behind. Several years ago, the State of Washington was contracted by the U.S. Department of Labor to do a survey of “green” jobs. They contacted me to ask what parts of my job are “green” (by the way, a term I detest). I sent back the reply that there ARE NO “green” jobs. I don’t think they included my response in their goofball tally.
https://dilbert.com/strip/2011-03-29
Wait a minute, has somebody in power finally grown a pair of balls, and gone against the greens? Will we see more like him??
Hooray! These wind farms are a blight on the countryside. It really hit home driving through Stuart, IA or there snouts. What an eye sore. Quite an awakening driving at night or early morning. The blinking red lights are something out of the Twilight Zone.
Optical pollution.
Ah, but “Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. “
To the religious zealots who are “fans” of these things, there is a profound meaning in the scene, like a field of martyrs crucified for their faith.
Let us proclaim the mystery of our faith: As we devastate the natural landscape, we save the planet!
Nah, progressives never worry about that stuff.
Wait, what?
https://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/ted-blow-windmills-article-1.211649
The greenies who are fans of these machines are urbanites who don’t live in those open places that are despoiled by the windmills. At best they may see a few rooftop solar panels. They certainly don’t see the incredibly large and ugly solar farms that VA Power has been putting into rural eastern VA. If only these things had to be in their back yards.
“The greenies who are fans of these machines are urbanites who don’t live in those open places that are despoiled by the windmills.”
Now now, that’s simply NOT true.
Here in Toronto, the center of the universe (at least in Canada, just ask us), we have a windmill.
Why, back when it was being built Greenpeace founding member Robert Hunter positively chortled that, being the smartie that he is, was going to get in on the ground floor and mop said floor with his green business acumen.
He passed away in 2005, so I’m not sure how much he actually made, but probably at least a kabillion dollars or so.
Glad he didn’t life to see this:
https://www.blogto.com/city/2019/02/toronto-wind-turbine-working-again/
As for adding more (which is always the PLAN), apparently we’re a little behind in DOING:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WindShare#Lakewind_Project
/sarc off
The Greens love wind power because it provides jobs. A great works project would be desmantaling every windmill everywhere during the next 20 years.The sooner we rid the planet of those worthless, ugly monuments of human stupidity the better it will be for the world economy. Natural Gas now, Small Scale Modular Nuclear gradually phased in during the rest of the century.
The Green industry thought that they had discovered a source for clean, renewable, socially inoculated greenbacks. Several decades ago, they knew they were wrong, and failed to advise investors in Green products and consumers of renewable drivers, unreliable energy. Their fate lies with the prophecy of [catastrophic] [anthropogenic] climate change and empathetic appeals.
Dennis – I disagree with your opening statement that’ The Greens love wind power because it provides jobs.’ I do not believe that the Greens care a hoot about jobs – they just use this phrase over and over to ignorant politicians to justify endless subsidies for their favourite boondoggle. After all, as far as i know almost all of these turbines are made outside Canada – the only Canadian jobs they create are temporary construction jobs, and slightly more permanent maintenance jobs until these mechanical dinosaurs are junked. Try telling the Greens that they can create more jobs demolishing wind turbines and see how they react.
Typically China, and similar, where they play environmental, labor, and even monetary arbitrage games for leverage. Thus the aptly named “Green”, not green, party, industry, etc., and so many green politicians, investors, academics, and consumers, with hopes that the Green prophecy (e.g. [catastrophic] [anthropogenic] climate change) shall be fulfilled.
If the propose was to create jobs then they would hire 100’s of thousands to hold little tiny wine mills- That’s what Melton Freeman would have said.
Ontario’s Auditor General has taken a first look at the cancellation costs and finds them reasonable. link
Ford says cancelling the contracts will save Ontario consumers much more than the costs incurred. So far, the evidence seems to be on his side.
Yep.
Don’t think the woman who found this is going to be buying into Big Green’s scare tactics:
“Ontarians have paid $37-billion more than market price for electricity over eight years and will pay another $133-billion extra by 2032 as a result of haphazard planning and political meddling, a report from the Auditor-General says. The Liberal government has repeatedly overruled expert advice – and even tore up two long-term plans from the Ontario Power Authority for the electricity system – in favour of political decisions that drove up power costs for consumers, the report says.”
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/ontarians-paid-37-billion-above-market-price-for-electricity-over-eight-years-ag/article27560753/
(I love that part about the LIBERALS tearing up plans and overruling experts: sort of puts them out of this fight, no?)
Electricity in Ontario was in bad shape and then the former Liberal Premier, Kathleen Wynne, made things much worse. Jordan Peterson described her as a dangerous ideologue and the most dangerous woman in Canada. link That’s a bit sexist. I think she was the most dangerous person in Canada.
Bob She was an idiot wearing blinders with an agenda. Typical NDP socialist. Funny I was a member in the 70’s. 🤷♂️😞 They all seemed smarter then.
And now your Dad seems smarter.
Just this morning my (up to now) go to morning listen (Newstalk 1010) did two things that made me shut the radio off:
1) announce Wynn’s upcoming show
2) host John Moore went on about a “retired engineer” who had the audacity to speak on climate change, and comparing this guy to Gwyneth Paltrow
Nice knowing you, Newstalk 1010…
Bob, it’s much more serious than that. She and McGuinty had a number of clever people behind the scenes who knew exactly what they were doing. Wynne and McGuinty may be gone from office, but the people driving these policies simply moved on. They included Gerald Butts and Katie Telford, members of the current Prime Minister’s office in Ottawa. Among other things they were central to the administration of justice scandal starting a year ago.
man really does deserve a huge thank you .
excellent to read some good news for a change;-)
Parker Gallant was interviewed yesterday.
https://globalnews.ca/national/program/scott-thompson-show/
The interview with Parker begins at 15:50.
The link you give takes one to the latest show, not the one you intended. Here’s a link that should stay valid.
If the public fully understood what is entailed in getting rid of anthropogenic CO2 emissions, support for CAGW would crash.
As a Cali PG&E power rate payer, I wish we had Ontario’s renewables problem, or better still a version of Premier Ford instead of our hopeless Governor Newsom:
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The Wall Street Journal reported Monday (June 2019) that PG&E has $34.5 billion worth of renewable-energy contracts for electricity deliveries between now and 2043, according to a filing with FERC. Rejecting contracts with above-market prices could save the company $1.4 billion annually, according to Moody’s Investors Service.
But shredding these long-term promises to buy clean energy under state mandate could also cause serious problems for California’s ongoing efforts to grow its share of clean power and reduce carbon emissions, according to analysts.
Most obviously, it would harm the finances of the companies that hold the PPAs subject to cancellation. But as a secondary effect, it could have a chilling effect on future solar project financing, adding the risk that future PPAs could be forced into renegotiation as well.
California Gov. Gavin Newsom and the California Public Utilities Commission have joined FERC and the solar farm companies in demanding that PG&E honor its contracts and the underlying state laws that led to them. These opponents to PG&E’s plan are likely to appeal the decision, and face an uncertain legal outcome. Different federal courts have ruled on similar matters in different ways over the past two decades, but these decisions do not necessarily hold in California’s federal courts, according to Rob Rains, analyst for Washington Analysis.
Montali’s Friday ruling rejected a claim from FERC that it has “concurrent jurisdiction” with federal bankruptcy courts over whether utilities in bankruptcy can breach their contracts, saying that it undermines the authority of the bankruptcy court. FERC’s authority would extend to examining whether canceling a PPA serves the “public interest,” a determination that could take into account the role that these PPAs play in California’s clean energy and carbon policies.
Bankruptcy courts use a much less stringent “business judgment” rule, which generally allows contracts to be breached if it would help the company to satisfy its creditors’ claims and complete its reorganization.
But Montali also wrote that he intends to exercise oversight over any attempt by PG&E to reject any of its PPAs: “Nothing will happen here until either of the Debtors [PG&E and its parent company PG&E Corp.] moves to reject an executory PPA and the affected counterparty opposes that motion. At that time the court will consider the merits of any such motion and if consideration implicates public policy interests as well as reorganization goals, those interests can be considered as part of the higher standard for the rejection decision.”
As for balancing public interest and bankruptcy resolution, “the court will not ignore what others have said about public interest and the need to take it into account while at the same time paying careful attention on the reorganization goals,” Montali wrote.
“The business judgment standard in regular rejection is more deferential than that given to contracts that are in the ‘public interest.’ But public interest may need to be considered in the context of a specific rejection of a specific PPA. That outcome will be fact-driven based on the particular motion to reject and the responses of the opposing party. That is for another day.”
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Setting aside sociopolitical myths and evaluating a project on its merits. Here’s to [positive] progressive.
what is a progressive conservative?
It’s both the antithesis of a ‘conservative progressive’ and its equivalent. But perhaps ‘oxymoron’ is the word we are looking for.
An individual who subscribes to a monotonically moderate ideology. As opposed to a progressive liberal who subscribes to a monotonically divergent ideology. Then there is simply a progressive who subscribes to a monotonically ambiguous ideology.
It’s a former national party which still persists provincially. link
Progressive Conservatives tend to be fiscally conservative and socially liberal.
Best thing the Harperites ever did was get rid of the ‘progressive’ label. Ontario Conservatives should do the same. Progressives are mental midgets.
perhaps more libertarian like?
So, Trump really was the beginning of the end.
So cool 🙂
Interesting related article: “The True Cost of Renewables are Hidden Due to a Lack of Market Transparency”. This is the same first-order forcing that drives progressive prices in medical, backed by sociopolitical audacity that normalizes it under cover of political myths and empathetic appeals.
Doug Ford: A real Canadian Hero!!
Hi, Al,
Jason Kenny could be too!
He’s promised to learn French and he’s started acting like a statesman. What are the chances he wants to be Prime Minister?
Well, the same people who didn’t think Trump would win were pretty sure Ford wouldn’t win either, so I’d say he has a good chance. The current “Conservative” leader is what Thatcher would have called a “wet”, and what most others would call a “weasel”.
Some folks think he snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.
All he had to to is not be a complete wuss for a few weeks, let Kinsella take care of the Liberals and Max, let the NDP and Greens out-stupid each other and then start burying bodies once he won.
Got it all bass-ackwards….
Good News!
$231 Million (Canadian) to close/cancel contracts?
Most likely those are charges already incurred and due to the contractor.
Add in the other $730 Million (Canadian), means that when the full payment came due, there would be a bill for close to $1 Billion (Canadian).
As it stands now, Canada should be able to sell the equipment already received/installed at auction and recoup some of that $231 Million.
Great choice Premier! A decision that will reap benefits and grid stability.
Now, Doug Ford can look into some cheap LPG gas generating facilities or perhaps consider a nuclear facility.
That way, when the wind stops or the sun fails to shine, they can sell electricity at spot to the, er, green areas of Canada.
That way, Doug Ford will recoup funds through wise investments for the people and industry.
Apparently someone actually did the science and discovered that CO2 has no significant effect on climate and/or the math which, when done correctly, demonstrates that, energy-wise, renewables are a net loss.
5 mW wind turbine, avg output 1/3 nameplate, 20 yr life, electricity @ wholesale 3 cents per kwh https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=34552 produces $8.8E6.
Installed cost @ $1.61E6/mW = $8.05E6. https://www.energy.gov/sites/prod/files/2018/08/f54/2017_wind_technologies_market_report_8.15.18.v2.pdf
Operation & maintenance @ $210,000/yr = $4.2E6 http://www.newenergyupdate.com/wind-energy-update/us-wind-om-costs-estimated-48000mw-falling-costs-create-new-industrial-uses-iea
Total cost = $12.2E6
Add the cost of energy storage facility and energy availability loss during storage/retrieval, or initial and maintenance cost of standby CCGT for low wind periods.
Solar voltaic and solar thermal are even worse with special concern for disposal and/or recycling at end-of-life (about 15 yr for PV).
Combined cycle gas turbine $614/kw ($0.6E6/mW) installed cost. https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=31912
The dollar relation is a proxy for energy relation (the earth does not charge). Bottom line, the energy consumed to design, manufacture, install, maintain and administer renewables exceeds the energy they produce in their lifetime.
Without the energy provided by other sources renewables could not exist.
This is my stance. If true, renewables are an utter and immediate waste of money and energy. I would like to see a paper published on this matter. It could shut down renewables entirely.
It is well past time to turn off Turbines due to known and documented health harm. Please ask anyone who denies health harm of Industrial Wind Turbines to watch this presentation. University of Waterloo, Waterloo Ontario Canada.
Title: “Infrasound and Low Frequency Noise: Physics & Cells, History & Health”
Speaker: Dr Mariana Alves-Pereira
Location: University of Waterloo
Date: September 12, 2019
Video archive of presentation:
https://livestream.com/itmsstudio/events/8781285
Dr. Alves-Pereira’s research profile is at https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Mariana_Alves-pereira
Note; there is approx 2 mins of dead air at the beginning. The talk is ~50 minutes, followed by a long Q&A
“Ford went further in defending the cancelled contracts, saying “if we had the chance to get rid of all the wind mills we would.”
Good on Ontario. Finally some sanity. Someone in charge is thinking about what lies ahead if the wind and solar energy scams continue.
Wind turbine farms everywhere in USA should have their subsidies (production tax credits) removed post haste. Once that tide of tax payer money goes out on renewable energy scams, we’ll all see they are all swimming naked. They are a simply scam to fleece the middle class using climate change guilt based on snake-oil science. Too many bootlick politicians are smoking the GreenSlime billionaire’s poles for campaign cash. Throw all those bums out of office.
Wind turbines are raising the cost of electricity everywhere they have significant penetration, easily seen when it rises above 5% nameplate on grid demand. In Arizona the culprit is solar PV power. I for one like having electricity at night.
Yeah, they cannot be reasonably isolated from the environment, and, sociopolitical myths aside, are not ecologically friendly. The current fashion is analogous to CFL profit-sheering, with context-limited, application-senstive exceptions.
Last year my state of Oklahoma stopped the payment of subsidies for new Windmill projects because it was claimed the subsidies would eventually bankrupt the state.
Best thing the Harperites ever did was get rid of the ‘progressive’ label. Ontario Conservatives should do the same. Progressives are mental midgets.
Is there really an honest Canadian politician who thinks od fact and of the people he is maeant to serve!!
We will watch if this is catchng!
In Ontario the ignorance on this issue is dominant and Premier Ford is a very overdue breath of fresh air.
The damage done from implementing “The Green Energy Act” is horrific. The waste is approaching $100 billion. A fiscal boondoggle of irresponsible spending unmatched in Canadian history.
It started with shutting down coal…for no reason other than the fervid imaginations of some very influential people. For jurisdictions without access to natural gas, coal is by far the safest, least expensive and quickest route to base load power for the grid. But try telling that to any of our academic, media and governing elites and they will perceive you as a conspiracy nut.
Not only did these people shut down coal, they spent double digit billions refurbishing old nukes that should have been decommissioned, then unbelievably investing multiple billions in wind/solar parks along with the necessary conventional back-up and creating an almost daily requirement for excess “alternative” power to be sold to the spot market for a fraction. On top of all that…a carbon tax.…. $fiasco.
All they had to do was hook up to the hydro power available from Quebec. By making gasoline and electricity more expensive these people think they can change the clouds, and they have the blessing from our educated, political and media elites.
heh
https://business.financialpost.com/opinion/boondoggle-how-ontarios-pursuit-of-renewable-energy-broke-the-provinces-electricity-system
Reality is having a field day. Politicians will increasingly face situation where large swathes of voters will punish their costly and stupid renewable moves. And there are always some that act quicker than others. Canada hoo …