From the “there’s no quality control in climate science” department comes this laughable revelation, via the Australian:
Scientists’ petition on climate crisis blocked over fake signatories
Dozens of signatories including Mickey Mouse and Harry Potter headmaster Albus Dumbledore from Hogwarts have been removed from an Alliance of World Scientists declaration of a “climate emergency”.
Access to the 11,000 name-petition that accompanied a statement of concern published in BioScience on Tuesday was blocked on Thursday.
A statement issued by Oregon State University said “an administrative error unfortunately saw the inclusion of a small number of invalid names”.
Josh of course, has a visual opinion about it:
Ah ha ha… bunch of dopes
Anybody using a Banana computer, as the cartoon suggests, to spread the fear-mongering “religion” of global warming deserves as much derision as is legally allowed!
Derision of global-warming alarmi… sorry – SCIENTISTS – is against the law anywhere in the world where global warming is occurring at least twice as fast as everywhere else in the world; which is to say, everywhere.
The U.N. General Assembly just passed it; Saint Greta demanded it, and the U.N. knew it had to comply. Amen.
The worrying thing is, the fake names can probably make a better scientific argument than the real names; including the few so called ‘scientists’.
Albus Dumbledore may have been removed, but there’s plenty witchcraft science remaining.
Heh. I had a similar argument when I literally wrote in my dog’s name as my vote for certain races on the ballot on Tuesday.
You might want to be careful with that one. The dog might have won.
How do you separate the ‘fake’ signators from the signators with fake ‘climate change’ credentials’? Like a set of nested russian dolls, it’s fakes all the way to the bottom.
The toss of a coin?
begs the question “Why have they blocked access to the list of “so called” scientists”?????
11,000 ???
Where is the list of “so called Idiots ” maybe it is because the “scientists ” referred to have degrees in ( “animal welfare ? )
…..wait! Facebook pole what??
“A small number of invalid names”
Really. Now please explain how ANY invalid name appeared on this oh so sciencitific list?
But I’ll bet that 97% of them are valid.
Is the database administered by Cook University?
Crook University, perhaps?
Or “cooked”
Maybe State Pen rather than Penn State
They should compare the list to people on grant funding related to climate change. Between them and the meetoo group, that just about does it.
It is interesting that, over the years, whenever a non-climate scientist, who has tacitly trusted the climate scientists, takes the time to check the real science, they ALL become septics (if they are honest people), sometimes overnight, once they realize there is nothing to support the “science” of global warming by man.
Charles H
You know, I had exactly the same thought when I heard a bout the petition. Something like, “11,000 scientists who are dependent on government grants are screaming alarm about the future bad weather and need more money to prevent it.”
It is exactly the question to be asked when confronting a message as possible impossible as theirs: are they just feathering their nests
Now that makes a lot of sense.
How many of them are getting grants based on the back of these idiot statements.
Ironically, this is out of Australia, which was the site of the original group that invented the whole global warming/climate change scam. The purpose was to transfer wealth from “wealthy nations” (ignoring that the U.S. is up to its ears in debt) to third world nations to equalize the wealth worldwide. Then the globalists could step in and take control with the one-world government, though do we really think that group could agree on anything. The whole scam began with a group in Australia with attendees from various nations, Gore made a movie and millions, and it just goes on like a snowball going down a mountain. “Scientific results” are changed to support the desired conclusion, and many jump on board to be part of some unneeded solution. Yes we should clean our water and our air, but this was not the purpose of the whole charade — follow the money, and includes the uninformed teenager that testified before the U.N. and is now some kind of snarky celebrity. And Trump is right to pull us out of the Paris accord.
It’s all about money!!!!!
Absolutely correct. 100%. Follow the money. A small number of people are making very large amounts of money, using this scam. They are using the fears of people (predominantly children) to line their pockets. Sadly, they are likely to get away with it, because it is almost impossible to prove that they are committing any crime. 😝😝
It is administered by Kenji.
When “scientists” cannot even cull laughably fraudulent names from their … oh so important list of “settled” scientists … it makes me question their competency in all endeavors.
I am certain that the “Recall Gov. Gray Davis” petitions received more scrutiny than this list of “the smartest people in the world”. Well, at least smarter than Kenji, eh?
I don’t know, Kenji?!?! You seem fairly sharp. LOL
Cook the books university.
Perhaps, as apparently the OZ “scientists” include a”naturopath, a hypnotist, an industrial designer, a commercial business analyst, and a psychologist”
https://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/climate-emergency-names-1.5350570
“a small number of “obviously” invalid names”…..
…the fake names that didn’t sound like “Debbie does Dallas” are still on it
Exactly, this was obviously an open and uncontrolled opinion poll , not a list of scientific endorsements.
If they did not spot Mickey Mouse, they has ZERO vetting of who “signed” it. In fact NO ONE really signed it, it was clearly just some kind of HTML form on a web site that accepted any input from anyone, anywhere. There is more vetting of who does a tweet on Twitter.
None of this was a “paper” as some reported it nor even a “report” it was an opinion column, so I don’t see why it even needed a non validated opinion poll to be part of it.
Now how many of these name were fake but less blatant than Micky Mouse?
The Oregon Petition Project has three times that number and they’re real scientists. Of course this was 20 years ago when these guys were just nuts, but not desperately and fearing extinction of their Big Plan nuts.
The list is literally random people on the internet who “Liked” the 4-5 page opinion piece. Ezra Levant of the Rebel News here in Canada did a great take down on it. He looked at most of the approximately 200 or so Canadian names on the list and found lots of nice people who were teachers, instructors of various things unrelated to hard science, lawyers etc. His favourite was a fellow down in the “W”s who listed himself as a BS Detection and Analysis expert. Finally someone with a sense of humour.
The website of the presumed “International Scientists” is a one page site whose only purpose appears to be to get people to sign the list endorsing the opinion piece. Total bollocks! that was, of course, breathlessly reported as proof of humanity’s impending demise by the Media Party of Canada, as Ezra refers to Boo-boo Trudeau’s state funded cheerleaders, the CBC.
Well the guy who lists himself as BS Detection is s*it at his job if he signed up for this b*llocks
Just above Mickey Mouse is Tobias Mourier of King Abdullah University of Science and Technology in Saudi Arabia. Surely it is brave for somebody in Saudi Arabia to campaign against fossil fuels.
I wonder how many people would deny endorsing the petition.
Also, Claire Mouquet-Rivier (possible trans: “clear mucky river”). No doubt there are many other cleverly-devised names.
Was there a “Horst Graben” on the list?
No she exists – although the name could still be made up.
Given that there’s no “Tobias Mourier” listed on the faculty at KAUST (according to their web page) — it makes one wonder just who these people are that are signing? Students?
I scanned through the list of signatories, yesterday.
The invalidity of their effort is shown by the majority who claim degrees in ecology, or environmentalism.
Alan
I cannot now get a list of the names or the underlying data. I want to use them to write an article for publication here in Australia.
If you can, would you be so kind as to email them (or a valid link) to me at johnm@bigpond.net.au.
But the damage is done since it made headline news. I think it even made ‘The Times’ in the UK, which has gone so far over to the left I’m surprised it hasn’t fallen over.
They say “The Times” is lying on the ground, being walked on by bird, hound, and human alike! That’s fallen enough for me!
Unless they are ALL persons who are active in sciences that deal with climate the petition means nothing at all.
Any John Doe could sign and you could get a million signatures.
Wouldn’t surprise me if John Doe’s signature isn’t already on it, next to John Smith, Mickey Mouse, Dumbledore, and many, many other fake names. Fake names for a Fake news petition.
Congratulations to whoever on the inside did this. Best way to muck around with a database you don’t own is to muck around with the data being loaded into it. Cheers –
Hhmmm, thousands of science students from first world universities sign up their support for government policies that will provide taxpayer-funded jobs for them when they graduate?
Jobs / incomes that mainly don’t exist outside of government institutions.
I’m thinking of starting a GoFundMe campaign to provide bullsh1t detector nose implants to media operatives.
Clearly, this poor group of people had such birth defects.
Only two names ?
But the credibility is down, best what couldt happen 😀
We want you !
Didn’t Professor Mike Mouse get a Nobel Prize though? Or am I thinking of an Oscar for best animation?
Your thinking of Ed Catmull, who did get an Oscar, but then Ed is a real scientist. Some of his graphics algorithms from the 70’s are still the state of the art.
Social Sciences “scientists”, produced wholesale from our institutions of “higher learning”, are busily poisoning our lives with their bullshit.
A Mickey Mouse theory gets Mickey Mouse support.
Was Mickey Mann on the list too?
Mickey “Eeek a Mouse” Mann? Probably several times! You know how he applies himself!
The same thing happened with the Oregon petition when activists infiltrated it and added Micky, amongst others. Thereafter it was ridiculed whenever mentioned, even after it was cleaned up.
Payback’s a B!tch! 🙂
And that list had three times as many legitimate signatures.
To the best of my knowledge, Mickey Mouse was NEVER on the Oregon Petition Project, nor were the characters from the TV show M*A*S*H, despite that the news claimed. There was the one solitary addition of the Spice Girl pop singer name by people apparently at Ozone Action, which was caught and deleted. For more confirmation on the specifics, we need an update from Art Robinson or Jane Orient, but I covered the Spice Girl angle here: “Lahsen’s Spice Girls” http://gelbspanfiles.com/?p=3765
But what about the 31,000 American scientists with some 9000 PhDs who disagree with CAGW? Getting a bit out of date but still at petitionproject.org?
They need to get a few more names to seem more credible. Perhaps I can contact Professor Bill E. Button, at the Saskatchewan Centre of Naval Studies or Dr. Sea Spotrun, who teaches English literature at the University of Milan. I am sure that Mini Mouse and her friends can also make an appearance.
You left off Hugh G. Rexion.
I ought it was Huw Jorgen
And I’m sure Dr Ben Dover and Prof. Eileen Back will be more than eager to sign the petition.
Dr Dick Hertz and the prestigious Willie B. Hardigan are well renowned for their work in Climategate
I believe they got married, and she is now Eileen Dover. I met them while at the Modern Dentistry Clinic to see Dr Phil McCaverty.
Did you know they have (had) a dog? Run Dover.
Ah Dr Phil McCaverty, the well known former partner of Dr Ben MeDoon …
Look for Sheik Yurbooti too.
Dr. Heidi D. Klein will sign up.. for a price..
Any relation to P. Galore?
I suppose they kept Charles Dawson on the list and Piltdown Man.
It’s good that they kept Robby the Robot on the list. That’s important.
Is that really Jerry Brown PhD on there?
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The random scientist name generator algorithm has been temporarily stopped. Cartoon character names will no longer appear.
Okay…..Famous French Poets for $200
Thanks you V. Putin PhD for your tech services skills today.
but but, it is still 97% accurate.
First there was Climategate, and now, ClimateEmergencygate.
I understand the list was down for a while, but I just downloaded it a few minutes ago.
Mickey Mouse is still there after their edits. Great Job boys!
Once you’ve got mice, it’s hard to get rid of the little buggers..
Consensus of the Mickeys
“an administrative error unfortunately saw the inclusion of a small number of invalid names”
An ERROR saw something? This from a University?
The statement is prb’ly accurate — “an administrative error” is one of the employees.
Yea, the one who never picks up the bar tab after company “get togethers”.
And the names you can see in the picture – a nutritionist, an ecologist, and an environmentalist. Obviously these are the best of the best when it comes to complex physics.
The biggest part of this petition is that I did a little research and was unable to find what they were actually signing to. there was some addendum S2 I believe..that outlined some warming info…but I didn’t see how that was assigned to the list of signatores which was addendum S1.
published in BioScience links to a demand for money from Murdock, where is the supposed list of names, I’d like to scan it?
From World Scientists’ Warning of a Climate Emergency (Condensed Version)
The Ethics of Science
The end that science seeks is truth.
There are rules that must be followed in seeking the truth which require trust, independence in observation and in thought.
Freedom, respect and tolerance are handmaidens to science.
Scientists acquire knowledge by small steps, none of which is final and the mistakes of one generation of scientists are rungs in the ladder toward truth.
The only purpose of seeking the truth is to accumulate knowledge which becomes the property of the world without respect to race, religion, nationality, political and sexual orientation or cultural beliefs. Science is unifying because it seeks answers which society ultimately hold as important.
-by William Stone, signatory of the second warning to humanity
The irony of the discrepancy between what this says and what the climate catastrophologists are doing is mind-blowing.
Truth?
Independence in observation and in thought?
Respect and tolerance?
Handmaidens (as in The Handmaidens’ Tale)?
To accumulate knowledge?
Without respect to race, religion, nationality, political and sexual orientation or cultural beliefs?
The Alliance of World Scientists is itself kind of fake. It is something concocted solely to endorse and spread alarmism. link ie. It’s not an existing organization that decided to start a petition.
It’s not only Micky Mouse that’s fake the whole “Climate Emergency” is fake. What would be an emergency would be decarbonisation followed by a very major volcanic or asteroid event that blocks the sun for a long period of a year or two.
Ha Ha Ha, 11,000 scientists? It really is a load of nonsense, but add this load to Al Gore’s initiative, Attenborough’s films, 1000 academics demanding time off to deal with the crisis, Halloween climate scare videos, misinformation about wild fires and we arrive at the inescapable conclusion is that we are facing a deluge of alarmist propaganda and that is just in the last couple of weeks.
We have lost the argument. Face it. WUWT does a fantastic job and the regulars here reinforce the disbelief in the scare stories. We all value that, it keeps us sane, but we see politicians taking crazy decisions in their panic to pander to the hysterical faction of the public that calls for urgent action.
OK, most of the public may not know, care, believe or worry about climate change but there are enough who claim to speak for them to establish public opinion in the awareness of the politicians.
We must raise our act, but how? Several points spring to mind. Types of extreme weather such as storms, floods, droughts, fires and sea level rise are not suddenly getting much worse. That is a lie and the official data shows that. Remove these and what else is causing the so called emergency?
Our climate scientists must be aware of that. Why are they silent and therefore condoning by inaction the deliberate and fraudulent terrorisation of our citizens and their children with false threats of an emergency or crisis?
We need to get more proactive, more savvy about how to counter propaganda and more critical of climate scientists who fuel the misinformation or allow it to occur.
There are many frightened people out there who are overwhelmed by the sheer volume of alarmist claims. What are we going to do about that?
As a small boy, I longed to become a scientist and I believed that science was a search for the truth. As an adult of mature years, I have a very low opinion of a great many scientists even though I spent my entire working life as one of them. However, I believe in the power of truth and scientific evidence is still hard to beat. That gives us the upper hand. Let us use it.
Didn’t Micky Mouse also win the Nobel Peace Prize in 2009?
All qualify as a Fake! Ha ha!
Dr. Donald Duck denies there being any quackery.
This remind me of the March for Science a couple of years ago. They handed out white lab coats to anyone who showed up. Viola’, instant scientists. All you had to do, in this case, was enter your name into a database and you were counted among The Elect. The news media doesn’t bother to check the list. To them 11,000 names are 11,000 scientists or anyone in a white lab coat is a scientist, as long as they spout the right nonsense.
What about the list of scientists concerned about science and agenda science?
There’s even a sexologist in the list I downloaded yesterday!
I’ve got only a BA in computing science, no wonder, with my mediocre mathematics anybody will know more about climate change than poor little me ;-(
There is two sexologists on the version I have. One of them is named “Rob Rob” and he’s from Cambriddge (sic). Seems legit.
Sorry, “Cambridgge” is where he is from.
Thanks for the correction. That makes all the difference.
Mr. of Nov.7th. says it. Take away the Government grants and we would see a
massive decrease in the number of so called “”Climate Scientists””.
They come out of Uni with no worthwhile knowledge for a job in the real
world and soon latch onto the taxpayers drip feed machines.
While I would not wish a economic recession on any country, it does do one
very necessary thing. It gets rid of most of the fake type jobs usually created
by governments to keep certain interest groups at bay.
All governments do it, just throw some money at this or that “”Progressive “”
group to shut them up for a while.
MJE VK5ELL
Do a search on ‘Psych’ and you’ll come up with more than 70 psych/ologists/iatrists/etc plus another 70 or more neuroscientists. Lord knows they need them.
Almost 80 mathmeticians, Lord knows they need them too.
You have 2 random IBM guys and a 4 professors of computing which a few overlap with math.
You have 3 finance officers. There’s gotta be a problem if you’re paying people.
A few visiting fellows.
A nano-optics researcher.
A museum curator, almost 20 archaeologists,
A school principal
and a few people who are just “Member”, which I am sure is true.
and Micky Mouse… of course. Who had to leave Minni to do this.
Consensus is not science…lies are not science…endless failed models are not science…ignoring and/or altering scientific fact is not science…hysterical alarmist bleatings are not science….children are not scientists…propaganda is not science…and fraudulent, financially reliant hoaxsters are assholes>scientists.
Its hard to find something “they” say that seems remotely like science to me, I’m guessing I am not alone in this?
One interesting fact is that the people at the top who are pushing this swill openly say that it is all bullshit and that it is about redistribution of wealth and bringing our personal freedoms to an end under an unelected totalitarian regime that will dictate from on high into every aspect of your lives. “They” obviously need another lesson into our love for our freedoms and I predict, like apposing magnets, the closer they get to their target the harder we will push back, the sort of lesson they gave Mussolini would be my personal choice.
Thank you all for your enlightenment and decency, you are the vanguard and the hope of the side, and…thank Christ for Trump…he has brought us some time, we need to use it!
The fake names are the sanest part of the declaration.
The issue with science is that it is pretty convincing if its good,as opposed to petitions. I reckon a lot of the scientist read media and communication. If you are right, just prove, but please do not take a vote.
You mean Donald Duck is not a scientist??? I am so disappointed. I am going to stop watching cartoons!
Gyro Gearloose should qualify
:-)) you remember him;-))
my favorite character as a kid
so many people dont remember all the less mainstream characters
Mr Peabody would qualify, if he wasn’t a beagle. After all anyone who can invent the WABAC (aka Wayback) machine must have some scientific smarts.
This just buttresses my point that these 11’000 human haters should be first. Show the courage of your convictions, strangle your children, then your parents, then your spouse, then blow your brains out, all on live feeds so the world can witness your dedication to the climate crusade. Till then? Go F**k yourselves, human hating c&nts.
Are any of them really climate scientists?
Wienhold Hans – BS detection and analysis
🙂
From the Hamilton Spectator report:
“[Bruce] Newbold [who is on the advisory board of the McMaster University Centre for Climate Change] said some on the list may not appear to have expertise in climate change, but he cautions that scientists from a wide-variety of fields see and study the effects.”
“Social scientists are also very much involved in climate change discussion because of the impact of climate change on our society,” said Newbold. “It’s not necessarily the scientist that’s working in a lab and doing that environmental work, but they could be doing work about how populations are going to need to adjust or respond to climate change.”
Well, BS detection and analysis IS a social science. I also drove a cab for several decades, through the hottest days of summer to the most bone-chilling of winter storms.
Therefore I qualify for inclusion on that list.
Also, I did not use a fake name like that Mickey Mouse feller.
What fake name? That Mickey Mouse feller is a bon-a-fide movie-star (he’s appeared in over 130 films) everyone knows movie stars that play a part are deemed experts in the field there after. And Mickey played a mad scientist in the 1937 Disney film the Worm Turns, so that qualifies him for inclusion on any list involving science. /sarc as if it wasn’t already obvious.
@Art very good thorough piece of work from The Rebel team there
The link at the top of the page to The Australian – 2019-11-08 – WORLD by GRAHAM LLOYD ENVIRONMENT EDITOR is behind a paywall
But Andrew Bolt has a good 5 minute video
https://youtu.be/ps0qpv5RVWo
Same thing happened with the Oregon Petition: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oregon_Petition#Credentials_and_authenticity
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Only difference is it was the other side of the fence.
A consensus of 9 out of 10 hookers prefer cash.
Or drugs. They are rather unclear on certain points.
Well, after filtering the names, maybe Oregon State University can move next to filter the listed “Professional Position and/or Discipline” that accompanies each signatory. Here is what I found among the list of those 11,258 “scientist signatories”:
“landscape ecologist”, “PhD candidate”, “manager director”, “PhD student in astrophysics”, “researcher”, “senior lecturer”, “PhD student”, “archaeoentomologist”, “geography lecturer”, “postdoc fellow/cognitive neuroscience”, “lecturer”, “associate professor in political science”, “student”, “professor of political science”, “chemist”, “biomedical science”, “animal behaviorist”, “professor of psychology and business “, “reader in systems and predictive biology”, “accaunt and finance Phd”, “medicine”, “zoo keeper”, “researcher in nanoscience”, “molecular cell biology”, “retired”, “scientific on plant sciences “, “professor of sociology”, “food safety/veterinary epidemiology”, “emeritus professor of obstetrics & gynaecology” . . . and this is just from the start of the alphabetical listing up through last names starting with “Am”!
There was no need for me to delve further.
And there are a quite a few signers of the declaration that just left this column blank.
I’m not saying they are all invalid positions/disciplines, but it does give one cause to go “Errrrr . . .”
They probably circulated an online petition and took whoever signed it, whether or not the person was actually a climate scientist or a fictional character, or simply a global warming activist.
Did anyone find the glaciologist Paul R. Bare on the petition?
Not in the pdf I downloaded.
There’s 42 entries with ‘glacio’ in the text
Administrative error unfortunately included a number of fake ideas. There, fixed it.
The fact that there are fake names in there negates the validity of the entire document. Besides, with the left’s record of lying (the ends justify the means), why should we believe anything they put out?
Did MacMaster Bates sign the petition?
The frightening thing, of course, is that they get away with it every time.
Some more links JoNova picked it up early
* “Professor Micky Mouse, Institute for Blind, Namibia ” *
http://joannenova.com.au/2019/11/doomsday-poll-shrinks-now-just-11000-metoo-scientists-say-panic-now/
Dellers has picked it up
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/11/06/delingpole-climate-emergency-is-real-warns-professor-micky-mouse-and-11000-other-scientists/
and Paul Homewood quotes it and has a discussion
https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2019/11/07/delingpole-climate-emergency-is-real-warns-professor-micky-mouse-and-11000-other-scientists/
First thing I thought was “11,000 scientists across all fields of study…” I’m betting that isn’t 97% of scientists!
Good job ‘Ivor Bollockoff’ did not sign
or there would be claims of Russian collusion
This was all over the Australian media it was sad to see it repeated over and over, and hugely funny it still being repeated when I found out about Mickey. All links now seem to have been “disappeared”.
Administrative error? I very much doubt that. I think whoever compiled the list was having a laugh, deliberately, to show climate science for what it really is, a joke.
Maybe they need the help of English Lit. graduates? Mosh, MOSH, where are you?
Is Iris Call on the list? Sheila Mentz? Hugh Jim Bissel?
If you were to isolate those on the list that are not cartoon characters, and ask them detailed questions about the Catastrophic AGW theory; they would not be able to defend their own signature.
The signatories to this document are crowd followers. Their signature is as meaningless as the CAGW theory and Al Gores science background.
That “Mike Mouse” cartoon gave me a very good laugh! Perfect, with his Mouseketeer ears! 🙂
All the media that spout this bullshit without any verification – a nonsense “liked” on a spurious blog by 11000 knownothing and activists – are totally and definitively descrediting themselves and their profession.
The swindle is so blatant I wonder if the goal is not exactly that :
– to expose once again the density, the deep mediocrity, glaring dishonesty and total incompetence of the MSM bunch of clowns.
a lot of fake names also on this petition… and they mostly were NOT climate scientists either
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/30000-scientists-reject-climate-change/
(Petitions of any sort are open to abuse in the internet age…)
Griff you are too dumb to realize the Snopes article started off with a dishonest question:
If you were not too lazy to think and do the necessary reading, you would have thought to read THIS paper that came with the petition request:
ABSTRACT
A review of the research literature concerning the environmental consequences of increased levels of atmospheric carbon dioxide leads to the conclusion that in creases during the20th and early 21st centuries have produced no deleterious effects upon Earth’s weather and climate. Increased carbon dioxide has, however, markedly in creased plant growth. Predictions of harmful climatic effects due to future in creases in hydrocarbon use and mi nor green house gases like CO2 do not conform to current experimental knowledge. The environmental effects of rapid expansion of the nuclear and hydrocarbon energy industries are discussed.
and,
CONCLUSIONS
There are no experimental data to sup port the hypothesis that in -creases in hu man hydrocarbon use or in at mospheric carbon di oxideand other green house gases are causing or can be expected to causeunfavorable changes in global temperatures, weather, or landscape.There is no reason to limit hu man pro duction of CO2, CH4, and otherminor green house gases as has been pro posed (82,83,97,123).We also need not worry about en vironmental ca lamities even ifthe current nat ural warming trend con tinues. The Earth has beenmuch warmer dur ing the past 3,000 years without catastrophic ef -fects. Warmer weather ex tends growing sea sons and generally im-proves the hab itability of colder re gions.As coal, oil, and nat ural gas are used to feed and lift from pov ertyvast numbers of people across the globe, more CO2will be re leasedinto the atmosphere. This will help to maintain and improve thehealth, lon gev ity, pros per ity, and pro duc tiv ity of all peo ple.The United States and other coun tries need to produce more en -ergy, not less. The most prac ti cal, eco nom i cal, and en vi ron men tallysound meth ods avail able are hy dro car bon and nu clear tech nol o gies.Human use of coal, oil, and natural gas has not harmfully warmedthe Earth, and the ex trapolation of cur rent trends shows that it willnot do so in the foreseeable fu ture. The CO2 pro duced does, how -ever, ac celerate the growth rates of plants and also permits plants togrow in drier re gions. An imal life, which de pends upon plants, alsoflourishes, and the di versity of plant and an imal life is increased.Human activities are producing part of the rise in CO2 in the at -mosphere. Mankind is moving the carbon in coal, oil, and nat ural gas from be low ground to the atmosphere, where it is available for con -version into living things. We are living in an in creasingly lush en vi-ronment of plants and animals as a re sult of this CO2in crease. Ourchildren will therefore en joy an Earth with far more plant and an imallife than that with which we now are blessed.
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Snopes LIED to you since there is no such mention of a “hoax” anywhere in that paper the Petition Project posted for people to decide whether to sign the petition based on it.
Scientific America “research” if you call it that was deliberately written without real evidence, it was a SAMPLE of just 30 names, out of 31,500 names!
Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!
Snopes goes on to repeat this lie made by others, since I have personally seen the ORIGINAL format when the first petition came out, there was no indication that NAS was involved or had endorsed the petition set up:
The NAS made it clear that it wasn’t published in their journal, and that Fredrick Seitz truthfully stated he was a PAST President of NAS. The Petition project never claimed that NAS was involved (oops there goes your lies, Snopes) The original Petition formant format never contained the words NAS or anything else that normally comes from the NAS institution. No one would have ever thought NAS involved when you read the original Petition Project format.
Scientific America article is embarrassingly stupid, I am amazed they think this invalidated the list of signatories.
Is there no end to shoddy thinking by warmists, who can’t see the obvious bullcrap of manufactured attacks against it?
[Shall we edit and correct spaces and gaps in the quoted sentences? .mod]
It was an online petition and since the respondents are required to enter their qualifications and job roles it is a simple matter to parse the list of “scientists” to see what they actually consist of. Overwhelmingly they are not scientists and even fewer have anything to do with climate. A typical list of job roles include social science, nursing, anthropology, psychology, students in various disciplines and a whole plethora of irrelevant occupations.
Just why the media chose to trumpet this while censoring the letter signed by 500 actual scientists is itself a giveaway as to their agenda.
For those who like me weren’t sure which letter you were referring to, I provide a link to what I think you mean:
https://clintel.nl/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/ecd-letter-to-un.pdf
I note that the alarmists deny the claims of the letter; here’s an example of what they have to say:
https://climatefeedback.org/evaluation/letter-signed-by-500-scientists-relies-on-inaccurate-claims-about-climate-science/
The letter itself is a matter of assertion, not evidence, and as such to me it has no more credibility than the Guardian’s favoured polemic, despite my respect for many of the 500 who signed the letter you refer to.
Has anyone spied a Wolf J Flywheel or Harvey Wall Banger amongt the signatories ?
But dopey MSM like the Melbourne Age fell for it hook line and sinker with a solemn earnest editorial stating that yes there was a climate emergency as eleven thousand Climate scientists have now attested
How about a corrected title:
“1.2 Million Climate Scientists Refuse To Sign Petition Blaming Mankind For Weather”
Ha! Ha! You have to laugh at the imbecility of it. I do like satirical cartoons. I would suggest Mike Mouse would have been even more reflective of the character, if he had been wielding a hockey stick to compliment the beard and ears….
How desperate.
I’m happy to see that more and more people realize that Cilmatology is not about saving the climate or protection of the environment. After all, the real problems are never mentioned. The biggest polluters are:
1. The military-industrial complex (military is ignored by the Kyoto protocoll)
2. Construction industry (importing illegal CO2 producers and building houses for them is a climate killer!)
3. Agrochemical industry (glyphosate is a chelator harming humans and animals)
However, going against these would harm profits of some powerful and rich families. Instead it’s better to instill fear into people in order to rob them blind to keep the fiat money system going on and on although it has effectively died in 2008.
Still, generation smartphone is so brainwashed that it will take creative psychological tactics to put back some sense into them.
Theirs a story at Rebel Media where they looked at the 400 names from Canada, no climate scientists, but plenty of people like massage therapists and Antifa goons.
Chris just a few posts above you
Art had already posted the video 17 hours previously
…. Ctr-F helps you search pages
Fake people on the list are less interesting than the real people. Of the 300 Canadians on the list none were scientists. Yet they did have [b]Antonia Mills, an expert in reincarnation, who teaches undergraduate and graduate courses on indigenous perspectives on reincarnation and rebirth[/b]
The Ezra Levant expose is essential viewing. You won’t see better comedy for some time to come.
Sounded phoney from the beginning – surely 11 000 scientists could not have been that dumb to sign up to a petition declaring a climate emergency. I’d have thought that petitions like that are for airheads like ||Emma Thompson who flies to LA just for her birthday.
as Gandhi said : “Even if you are a minority of one, the truth is the truth.”
consensus, majority or minority are not scientific concepts of proof !
You always have to bring the demonstration of your hypothesis by your work and measurements .
Exhaustive list of names is just another way to publish your ignorance about one subject !
What this says is that ABSOLUTELY ANYBODY claiming to be a “scientist” could sign, and be counted. Nobody checked anything. Just another lying ‘climate emergency’ story.
The real crisis confronting the real signatories to this petition is the prospect of unemployment. So-called scientists are just as worried about keeping their jobs as everyone else. For 40 years, they’ve had to issue one dire warning after another to keep the funds flowing. None of them wants to face the prospect of becoming a used car salesman, though as professional con artists, they have excellent qualifications.
The petition is meaningless because science is not a democracy and how many people are for or against something is totally insignificant. They did not even record how many people refused to sign their petition.
This is so entertaining:
I did a quick whip through the 11,000 “World Scientists” who apparently endorsed a report..umm not so much. The report is an op ed viewpoint piece https://academic.oup.com/bioscience/advance-article/doi/10.1093/biosci/biz088/5610806 The supplemental lists all signatories. I got through 3795 before giving up in disgust.
Of that count of scientists we have ………………….
1437 Researchers (unspecified research field)
972 Students,
294 Lecturers (various affiliations),
273 Directors, former directors and policy makers of conservation, lobby groups and vaguely climate associated institutions.
379 Biologists (Marine/Conservation/ Research/Wildlife/Associate/Evolutionary/several with ambiguous titles)
304 Ecologists (Marine/Research/Forest/Plant/Pollination/Landscape/ several ambiguous titles)
22 Analysts (2 Environmental/ 1 Ecosystem/ 19 unspecified discipline)
which is dandy, except of that 11000 odd, there are ….only 5 Climatologists, 35 Geologists, 3 Archaeologists, 7 Meteorologists, 64 Atmospheric (Chemists, Scientists, Physicists).
People who should know the climate cycles of the past and hence more than an inkling of what is normal for the planet are in very very short supply here. I’m in the Archaeology camp and can guarantee those 3 are well outnumbered by the silent majority.
Bookmarked. Thank you!
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Alliance of World Scientists report is an op ed viewpoint piece. Zero research. Daniel Patrick Moynihan said: You are entitled to your opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
Not scientists. Lab clerks, undergrads, teachers, etc that want fundamental change to the world economy to help Marxists.
I am saddened by the false endorsements. When the loonie left had fake submissions to the Oregon petition project, and then criticised it for having fake submissions, I felt it reflected poorly on their credibility much more so than those who accepted their claims in good faith.
I feel the same way about this project.
Of course, science is not done by headcount, but it is reassuring that after decades of alarm and institutional incentives, the overly concerned couldn’t raise even half the signatories that the ‘don’t be alarmed’ petition did.
Presumably, there are many honest individuals in that group, and we are actively engaged in a joint exercise with them to establish the nature of the climate rather than to push any political view.
So you object to Mouse, Mickey but not Mousseau, Timothy?
Don’t know Timothy Mousseau?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rAJnIxQgxU
He is Anders Pape Møller’s radiation studies (Chernobyl…) buddy. Rings a bell? It should!
“In the autumn of 2003 Anders Pape Møller (APM) was found guilty in scientific dishonesty/misconduct by the Danish Committees on Scientific Dishonesty, designated UVVU in Danish and DCSD in English.”
http://jorgenrabol.dk/default.asp?show=misconduct
11.000 ?!… As Einstein remarked. «if my theory is wrong one scientist would have been enough»…
Climate science. The original science-fiction.
Sorry, is this a fake article? I cannot find any professor Micky Mouse on the list!
Here is the list, MOUSE MICKEY figures in alphabetic order.
https://wfpquantum.s3.amazonaws.com/pdf/2019/36931_Climate-emergency-signatory-list.pdf
►Mouse, Micky
Professor
Micky Mouse Institute for the Blind
Namibia