New Scientist: UK University Academics Marching with Extinction Rebellion

Extinction Rebellion, ‘swarming roadblocks’. DAVID HOLT [CC BY 2.0], via Wikimedia Commons

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

Climate scientists are fed up with nobody taking them seriously.

UK scientists join the Extinction Rebellion climate change protests

ENVIRONMENT 7 October 2019
By  Lilian Anekwe

Charlie Gardner, a conservation scientist at the University of Kent, says he joined the organisation because he felt that his professional responsibility extended beyond “just studying and describing” the impact of climate change on biodiversity.

“We know what to do to save species, but the UK government is not giving us the funding to do it. I’ve done everything I possibly can professionally and personally, but none of that has worked, it’s all been a drop in the ocean. For me as a scientist this is necessary – and it is going to work.”

Jennifer Rudd, a scientist at a UK university, says she had no choice but to join Extinction Rebellion “given everything I know about climate change”.

Lee, who didn’t wish to give his full name, says he worked for a decade in climate science, but “we are now reaching the tipping point that we’ve always been fearful of”.

“It’s almost to the point when we can’t reverse it. This is our last chance. The social contract with the government has been broken and now there’s nothing left to do but rebel.”

Read more: https://www.newscientist.com/article/2219008-uk-scientists-join-the-extinction-rebellion-climate-change-protests/

Imagine if all the eco-economists, conservation scientists and climate modellers joined Extinction Rebellion and threatened to withdraw their services from society. How would we all cope?

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132 thoughts on “New Scientist: UK University Academics Marching with Extinction Rebellion

  1. ‘Imagine if all the eco-economists, conservation scientists and climate modellers joined Extinction Rebellion and threatened to withdraw their services from society. How would we all cope?’

    lol.

    • How would we cope? You mean, aside from pointing, giggling, and taking pix for the ‘net?

      There was a similar “demonstration” yesterday in Chicago. It got about 15 seconds on the TV news. Glad I do NOT live there any more. All this stuff seems to be centering in cities, where the most attention available. Out in the ‘burbs, where people have lives and responsibilities and don’t want that turmoil, it’s nice and quiet, thank you. We can watch the clown show and create a fine pot of bean soup with ham, onions, celery and shredded carrots while the sillies are out there getting street glop on themselves.

      Reality is a harsh mistress. This is being so overdone now that it seems to have it’s lost its original direction, which was to have a clean planet. These people leave trash and garbage everywhere they go. Why aren’t they being made to clean up after themselves?

        • Thank you, Rick.

          I love to cook. And Those People would smell the food, want some, but not contribute to putting it together because they only respond to microwave ovens. (I know – typecasting, but think about it for a moment.)

      • Sara,

        You are quite the influential decision maker. It’s mid 50’s high, misty rain, and archery season has begun. The beans are soaking, the ground venison is thawing, surplus of assorted peppers (yellow bell, chili, and jalapenos, and possibly hybrids from years of growing in close proximity) still on the vine as well as the onions and canned tomatoes and garlic (which I need to dig more) are due for the kettle. Plus a little added heat in the house wont hurt now! Outdoor cooking is great but gets a bit old after 4 months of summer heat and indoor heating is limited!

        • I think those obvious questions need to be asked, eyesonu. Why are they allowed to get away with trashing the planet but we aren’t?

          Archery season: I wonder if the local gun range would allow me some range time with a hunting bow, recurve or otherwise. I need both the practice and the exercise.

          Looking forward to late fall and winter now and the scent of cornbread coming from the oven.

      • Sara, so you haven’t gone over to soya sham-ham yet! Soon we will getting our hogs from illegal meat ops in the woods “moonshine swine” as it were.

    • Yes, this is probably one of the funnier quotes of the current news cycle. As to how we would cope, well, quite nicely, thank you. But the really important question for them to answer would be, how will society cope without oil, gas, and of course, coal. That is the question to answer.

    • The good thing is that these protests are taking part in the heart of ‘remainers’ London so ordinary sensible people are not being too inconvenienced

    • “Julian October 8, 2019 at 2:05 am
      ‘Imagine if all”

      Who would notice?
      Eco-economists have been consistently wrong, with the exception of rationalists like Bjorn Lomborg.
      Conservationists accomplish exactly what?
      Climate modelers have ignored calls to fix their broken models for over two decades.

      Let them withdraw their services until they each live entirely without fossil fuels and fossil fuel products.

  2. “How would we all cope” apart from the obvious ,,people able to get to work and mass hysteria going away, scientists who dont agree with CAĢW might get a word in edge ways.

  3. The Dept. of Ed. has a new “combatting hate” agenda, yet no mention that XR openly calls youth to break the law, go to prison. This goes way up to Cabinet Office policy.

    After all CO2 is the real enemy, right?

    • XR even goes further than that. Their leader even mentioned that the death of people should be taken into account if governments refuse to comply… This organisation is becoming dangerous and should be kept under watch.

      • Extermination Rebellion is their M.O.

        Jonathan Swift’s Modest Proposal was put to their US flank to hilarious effect a few days ago.
        The GND expert AOC could only comment ” there are many ways to go”, not discounting the Proposal.

      • Is this what “Joker” is about? If things don’t work out the way you wanted or planned, you then delight in an ideology based on destruction?

      • I don’t think the very first public suicide is far off. I can only hope its someone at the end of their natural life, but with the number of uneducated and unsophisticated teens joining this nonsense, I think it can become much, much worse.

        • Imagine if they all lined up as protesters and marched to a tall bridge and set themselves on fire and jumped off. That would get their point across! ….. They’re friggin nuts and everyone should feel guilty! Then when they wash up on a beach the media can call it an unexplained mass stranding. Let the piper begin as the End is Nigh!

          • Don’t laugh, I can assure you one of these greetins is busily googling how to light oneself on fire without causing CO2 emissions…probably could buy a carbon offset, but I don’t want to give them any ideas.

            As with students “striking” during a school day a few weeks into the school year, I’d be more impressed if they “struck”, say, on a Saturday morning in July, around 7am.

            Seriously, this stuff is Earth Hour writ large: a way for mostly white, middle-class hypocrites to say they’ve done something, yet accomplish nothing, and in general just be a pain in the ass to those of us with even average math and reading comprehension skills.

            Its all theater until someone gets hurt.

  4. Imagine if all the eco-economists, conservation scientists and climate modellers joined Extinction Rebellion and threatened to withdraw their services from society. How would we all cope?
    Quite.
    The real question is, “how would we ever know”?

  5. Perhaps if all these climate scientists didn’t keep pushing for more and more funding they might be taken a bit more seriously given their track record of serial failure in terms of predictions, trends and constantly deferred catastrophe.

    Such is the academic bandwagon on climate now that I am surprised not to have seen “serious” studies about Shakespeare’s use of metaphor for sea level rise, Dante and global temperature rise in Mediterranean climatic sub-zones and literary impacts in D.H.Lawrence of unrestrained polar warming (oh wait, there’s some clown at the London School of Economics doing something like that).

    • Shakespeare’s use of metaphor for sea level rise – please, please submit that paper to a peer reviewed journal ;-).

    • And a serious study of :

      The sea was wet as wet could be,
      The sands were dry as dry.
      You could not see a cloud, because
      No cloud was in the sky:
      No birds were flying overhead–
      There were no birds to fly.

      “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
      “To talk of many things:
      Of shoes–and ships–and sealing-wax–
      Of cabbages–and kings–
      And why the sea is boiling hot–
      And whether pigs have wings.”
      ….
      It’s all there , boiling sea, no clouds, no birds. T’would make a walrus weep.

        • “It seems a shame,” the Walrus said,
          “To play them such a trick,
          After we’ve brought them out so far,
          And made them trot so quick!”

          • It gets worse, never mind the Poles switching and other catastrophic events 😉

            “”The sun was shining on the sea,
            Shining with all his might:
            He did his very best to make
            The billows smooth and bright —
            And this was odd, because it was
            The middle of the night.”

  6. I’m from the uk, I have never read/heard of any scientists cleaning the coasts of Britain of plastic, niether have I heard of them cleaning the rivers, lakes, streams, roads of plastic, or of mass tree planting… So what funds do they need to save us from any weather?

    • Lot’s of scientists are unemployed and put to the proverbial fields, or rather ditches, a British version of pol-pot, by the oh-so liberal establishment.
      Next kids are being taught like Mao’s Red Brigades “see something, say something” if they even murmer resistance.
      JCU firing Prof. Ridd is even worse.
      Some, not unexpectedley, march along to get along.

  7. It just shows how far the standard of UK universities has fallen when these so-called scientists (idiots) can get emlpoyment in them.

    • The problem is that the funding agencies have been infiltrated, so we get Science and Engineering research funds spent on diversity, outreach, messaging studies and the psychological disorder of “denialism”.

    • Must be like in the US, the colleges and universities have morphed into “public paid-for no-profit money-making businesses for selling diplomas and degrees for a profit” …… and will admit most any student if their parent(s) pay a large enough “bribe” to the administration or an administrator.

      • Parent’s $$ not required…almost any amount of loan money for tuition is available to just about anyone.

        That hige inrush of money has allowed for a rapid doubling of those tuition fees…and still rising.

        There are no bankruptcy protections if one falls on real world hard times…so these loans have produced a whole generation of indentured servants with few assets to start businesses or save for retirement. The loan sharking mafia invented this system ages ago. Socialists cuddled right up to it.

  8. Any mathematicians, quantum physics folks, electric or mechanical engineering guys in that crowd ?

    Why pseudo-sciences are always the most climate involved so called scholars?

    • That comes as some comfort. The British secret services had CND well & truly infiltrated in my opinion, as I think I’ve said before, the CND marched on the Atomic Weapons Research Establishment (AWRE) Aldermaston, the clue is in the title nearly always, “Research”, yet just a few miles down the road at Royal Ordnance Factory, (the clue is in the title again), at Burghfiled, hardly any protests occurred! Where I come from places called “Factory” usually made things! 😉

    • Exactly.
      Lord Bertrand Russell’s CND, nuclear disarmament on Monday, calling for a premptive thermonulear attack on the Soviet by Wednesday.

      Charming non-violence, what?

  9. “The impact of climate change on biodiversity” They always mean ONLY the human caused element, which is minuscule compared to natural forcings, and no species has ever become extinct due to human CO2 emissions, in fact it’s probably helped biodiversity. Also, there’s never been one single real ‘climate refugee’. These scientists need to go back to the school of life. “The UK government is not giving us the funding” and they wonder why they’re not taken seriously with their send money to save the world plea.

    • Sir. As someone who grew up in N.Ireland (average July temp 18˚C) I consider myself to be a Climate Refugee. I am very happy here in Northern New South Wales…where the average summer temperature is 28˚C.

    • Hot under the collar: I’m afraid you’re wrong, very wrong! There have been some ten thousand plus over the last few years, the UNIPCC predicted it, so it must have happened! Afterall, the UN NEVER get it wrong, do they? Apart from Rawanda, min 3 million deaths (excluding the maimings & the butchery & rapings, etc), apart from DDT, estimated some 45 million deaths & rising, mostly the weak, elderly, & the sick, apart from AIDS, estimated deaths some 65 million & rising. Can’t help thinking that all these suffering seem to be coming from poor Third World countries, so I think that……………….oh no that’s ridiculous Alan, of course the UN elites aren’t trying to de-populate the World, surely not?

  10. … he joined the organisation because he felt that his professional responsibility extended beyond “just studying and describing” the impact of climate change on biodiversity“.
    Impacts like this?…
    https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/carbon-dioxide-fertilization-greening-earth
    … “Carbon Dioxide Fertilization Greening Earth, Study Finds | NASA

    You would surely have to be as thick as a brick to think that a warming and greening planet would be bad for biodiversity. And in any case, any competent scientist inspecting the literature would surely not take very long at all to realise that there was a very uncomfortable level of uncertainty around the “warming” part.

  11. “We know what to do to save species, but the UK government is not giving us the funding to do it. I’ve done everything I possibly can professionally and personally, but none of that has worked, it’s all been a drop in the ocean. For me as a scientist this is necessary – and it is going to work.”

    BINGO!!!! It’s ALL about the money after all, now who’d a thunk it? With all the millions in £/$/Eu/Yen etc they’ve had heaped upon them for just such a purpose, why do they need more money without producing non-vague, unsustantiated, uncriticised reports that ALWAYS require further research & oodles more dosh?

    • Actually, they’re right. If the goal is to eliminate human CO2 emissions, the world’s governments aren’t delivering. They’re spending lots of money and lining lots of pockets but it’s just theater and will have approximately zero effect.

      Roger Pielke Jr. points out that, if we really want to get rid of human CO2 emissions, we have to build one nuclear plant per day between now and 2050. That might actually work.

  12. XR even goes further than that. Their leader even mentioned that the death of people should be taken into account if governments refuse to comply… This organisation is becoming dangerous and should be kept under watch.

  13. Has anybody got the twitter link, were there is a big line outside of the rebels outside McDonald’s?

    • Sadiq the new Mayor of London sold one to the XR demonstrators. They filled one with red paint and tried to colour the buildings in Whitehall. Like all XR efforts it was a farce but allowed to progress by the police. Bear in mind, this is one of the most policed areas of the whole country yet the police allowed the idiots to attempt to colour Whitehall red. The frail eco warriors lost control of their pressure hose which then coloured the road red. Funny and pathetic. Sadiq was most upset the jolly jape had failed.

    • “What happened to that water cannon that Boris bought when he was Mayor of London?”
      Unfortunately the mayor of London sold them.

  14. I wonder if any of the concerned scientists so devoted to biodiversity and the well being of the plants and animals in general, have any comments to make about the daily slaughter of bats, eagles, birds and insects the ever growing wind turbine industry they support so vocally is responsible for?

  15. Maybe some of these “scientists” will know how to drive a fire engine and to use the hoses properly.

    • Lets be serious most of these “scientists” aren’t taken seriously because they are incompetent and them trying to teach anyone anything will probably cause a few fatalities. Seriously they are better just getting a few kiddies in to play with it as they will work it out in half the time.

      • Their idea of “theory” is to imagine it so. No need to do a back of the envelope calculation, no need to ask anyone else if they think it would work, no need to consider the consequences of an action, or even the costs involved in doing undertaking that action. It’s the theory that works that matters, everything else is somebody else’s problem (like paying for it, or figuring out how to do it).

  16. Jennifer Rudd, a scientist at a UK university, says she had no choice but to join Extinction Rebellion “given everything I know about climate change”.

    Well that probably amounts to a very short book.

  17. It occurs to me now that there are those who consider themselves a climate science expert without understanding anything about the physical mechanics of the atmosphere or historical climate change. It’s like passing yourself off as a qualified heart surgeon because you’ve read a lot of romance novels!

    These poor souls believe that they have a degree in science, when they actually have a useless degree in mythology.

    • Like David Attenborough, Caroline Lucas, Al Gore, Roger Harrabin, Emma Thompson, George Monbiot et al. All get their science from the Guardian.

    • I am more concerned about the poor souls who are and will be suffering due to the fallout from the delusions and misapprehensions of these poor misunderstood and woefully ignored so-called climate scientists.

  18. “For me as a scientist this is necessary – and it is going to work.”
    Boy, when these morons drink the koolade, they don’t mess around, do they? I mean, delusional much?

  19. Is that the Green Lantern (DC) symbol on the banner.

    Hal could use the ring to separate the carbon from the oxygen and save the day.

    Though that is not what these protesters actually want (IMO)

  20. About the only thing Extinction Rebels have got people questioning is why there is a very white race domination in their ranks. Even the Griffs favourite the Grauniad has noticed it
    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/oct/04/extinction-rebellion-race-climate-crisis-inequality

    If you scratched the surface I am sure the answer is the fact you have to be self guilted, and the group of white over-educated stupids would have the highest percentage of those.

  21. The more fossil fuels are used by developing countries, the quicker they will be developed countries and the less likely they will want to lose their lives and fortunes to war… as long as we, and they, can beat the deep state, that is.

  22. translated to: I couldnt get any radio or media piccys and fame
    so Im gatecrashing exreb to get myself “famous”..or arrested;-)

  23. Among real scientsits ‘New Scientist’ was, in my days, often referred to as ‘The Stupid’.

    • Guterres knows full well what Bank of England chief Mark Carney promised at the Summit – unlimited green synthetic credit, a veritable tsunami, from around 130 banks, totally out of the control of national governments. He and his fellow true financial greens call it “regime change”.
      I’ll bet Guterres is banking of the UN dream of world government, Keynes’ (digital) Bancor currency.

      Since this was mooted at the FED Jackson Hole pow-wow, it could be why Pres. Trump is less than amused with FED policy.

      • Was it not irresponsible lending by Bankers (no that’s NOT Cockney Rhyming Slang) that led to the last debarcle in the financial industry? You know when the bankers NEVER lost “THEIR” money, it was OUR money, so Al Murray (British comedian) was right to say that guvments took “our effin money”, to replace “our effin money”, to replace “our effin money”!!!! Remember, during WWII, the Bank of France talked to the Bank of Italy, which talked to the Bank of Spain, which talked to the Bank of Poland, which talked to the Bank of England, which talked to the Bank of America, etc, etc, etc. Armageddon may be just around the corner, but hey, banking must go on regardless!!!! Oh well! I also seem to recall from my history of WWII, after the fall of France in 1940, that the Paris branches of Barclays Bank, Lloyds Bank, The Westminster Bank, et al, had prepared lists of their Jewish employees, names, addresses, telephone numbers, etc., ready for collection by the Gestapo, months before said welfare group (sarc) even thought about such hearding actions! AtB

        • And the Bank of International Settlements founded in 1930 by Bank of England chief Norman Montague along with none other than Hjalmar Schacht (“my bank”), soon to be Hitler’s economics minister.

          Now one can see what “bankers boy” really means.

          Schacht forced austerity on Germany, and put credit into the military machine with bonds.
          As liberal banker Abba Lerner put it “Hitler would not have been necessary if Germany had accepted austerity”.

          Now the same – green bonds, with murderous austerity. And what is all this Ukrainegate/Russiagate but “Drang nach Osten” all over again. Now it is clear why Pres. Trump wants good relations with Russia and China, and who does’nt.

  24. I noticed two things. They only name three scientists and they don’t say how many scientists joined. Maybe it was just those three. They don’t say what these scientists are scientists of or where they are in their career. What if they are first year Master’s students in the Department of Underwater Rugby studies? They said one fellow worked in climate science for ten years. He probably is a technician in charge of cleaning bird’s nests from field instruments.

  25. Eric Worrall: “Imagine if all the eco-economists, conservation scientists and climate modellers joined Extinction Rebellion […]”

    Super Glue futures are UP!

  26. “Charlie Gardner, a conservation scientist at the University of Kent, says he joined the organisation because he felt that his professional responsibility extended beyond “just studying and describing” the impact of climate change on biodiversity. “We know what to do to save species, but the UK government is not giving us the funding to do it.”

    You can be a scientist or you can be an activist but you can’t be both if your activism is related to your research question. Pls see

    https://tambonthongchai.com/2019/02/03/hidden-hand/

    • My guess is that a ‘conservation’ scientist is much closer to a political scientist than a ‘physical’ scientist.

  27. “we need to get some broad-based support, to capture the public’s imagination. That, of course, entails getting loads of media coverage. So we have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little mention of the doubts we might have. Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between being effective and being honest.”

    St. Stephen Schneider, the first of his Name.

    In this case, they are being neither effective, nor honest, so there’s that.

    • He wants to capture the green investment imagination, you know, the moneybags.
      And his kind have indeed.
      The London GFI, Green Finance Initiative waxes lyrical!

      So get ready for the green synthetic credit tsunami.
      But first note, as with any tsunami, the credit tide going way out, killing off agriculture, mid-sized firms, you know , all that deplorable carbon stuff.

      Not to worry, then comes the wall of credit, if answer there comes any.

  28. “Scientist” doesn’t seem to mean the same thing it did when I was at school. From context, I think it means “one who is incapable of analytical thought” now.

  29. We need to spread the message of the good ER are doing with their die-ins, parading ghouls, etc. They are highlighting what would occur in the absence of sufficient CO2 to support plants and trees and ultimately all animals, humans, and life on earth. Whenever you see a tweet about it, be sure to highlight how they are promoting the importance of CO2 to life on earth, by contrasting the good CO2 does with the horror of absence of sufficient CO2.

  30. Given that the UK is responsible for ~2% of global emissions (and that number is declining), why are these protests not being held in Beijing ?

    (Of course I think we all know the answer to that).

  31. Re ‘Tipping Points’
    “Lee, who didn’t wish to give his full name, says he worked for a decade in climate science, but “we are now reaching the tipping point that we’ve always been fearful of”.

    “It’s almost to the point when we can’t reverse it. This is our last chance. …”

    I’m tired of tipping points. I’m also tired of “last chances.” We’ve endured so many tipping points… so many last chances… so many dire predictions. Can we just agree on one, final, last “tipping point” so that we’ll know when all this AGW nonsense has run its course?

  32. The UK’s ‘New Scientist’ magazine backs the CO2/dangerous man-made global warming tale 100% .
    It has anything but an objective scientific outlook in its statements on the subject.

  33. They remember or have what happened to intellectuals in Mao’s Cultural Revolution and under the Khmer Rouge. Taking no chances after the Arab Spring.

  34. The term Scientist used to have meaning and respect. Today I cringe when the term is used to make a point. These people are not fit to claim the title.
    1) They have advertised their gross bias. A no no in scientific method.
    2) They have advertised their inability to see the Marxist agenda which drives the Extinction Rebellion. A failure in logical competence?

  35. Look at the cute NAZIS.

    They may use green instead of brown, but their eye catching emblem reminds me of the old emblem.

    I see they still stomp their feet to get their own way.

  36. Does that mean students get a break from “kissing the ring” to get good grades or is attendance being taken on the protest line?

  37. In London, as they close down the city centre, of course they receive implicit support from the media and senior politicians. Even the Prime Minister expressed his understanding but objected to the tactics and the Mayor of London, their soul brother, spouts half-hearted concerns. Even ITV had two of their spokespersons in the studio during the evening news broadcast to lecture us on the bleak future ahead and how they were so so sorry, but they had no choice. They are effectively being encouraged to continue and escalate their protests. It could get quite ugly. There is nothing peaceful about a protest that causes major disruption to people’s lives, no matter how much handwringing we might be subject to.

  38. I haven’t read all the comments but I’m sure someone has already said, “The blind leading the blinded.”
    If not, I just did.

  39. the UK government is not giving us the funding to do it.

    That pretty much sums it up, they just want more grant money.

  40. “we are now reaching the tipping point that we’ve always been fearful of”.

    By definition you can’t identify a “tipping point” until you have passed it, this statement isn’t science it’s scare mongering.

    And these people call themselves scientists.

  41. Billary Clinton would surely call those ordinary suburban people voting to leave europe and those who are climate change deniers… the Eu deplorables. Here in Ireland the same media who denounced voting deplorables who voted the ‘wrong’ way in two European referendums are now the prime enablers of denouncing anyone who disputes the extinction consensus. We are sleepwalking into an extinction alright…. of middle class sense. Greta-Gate.

  42. “New Scientist” should re-brand as “New Age Scientism”

    I wouldn’t even use it to line the floor of a budgie’s cage

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