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Guest essay by Eric Worrall
The Democratic National Committee has reaffirmed their desire to avoid showcasing the climate extremism of their Presidential candidates.
Democratic National Committee votes against allowing 2020 candidates to participate in climate change debate
By Adam Levy and Leyla Santiago, CNN
Updated 0020 GMT (0820 HKT) August 25, 2019San Francisco (CNN)Democratic National Committee members on Saturday voted down a resolution that would have resulted in single-issue debates among candidates — including on the issue of the climate crisis.
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Some Democratic presidential candidates voiced their concerns with the vote’s outcome. Former Texas Rep. Beto O’Rourke called out the DNC over its decision, specifically regarding a debate devoted solely to the climate crisis.
“This decision is as baffling as it is alarming,” he tweeted. “Our planet is burning— the least we can do as a party is debate what to do about it.”
Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren also voiced support on Twitter for a climate-focused debate on Thursday night before the DNC’s vote.“Climate change is an existential crisis that threatens all of us—and we need to take bold action now to stop it before it’s too late,” she wrote. “That’s why we need to have a #ClimateDebate.”
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Read more: https://edition.cnn.com/2019/08/24/politics/democrats-2020-debate-climate-dnc-summer-meeting/index.html
The DNC threat to expel candidates who stage a single issue climate change debate in my opinion is unenforceable.
Imagine what would happen if they tried? Such a mass expulsion of climate concerned Presidential candidates would stir an immediate grassroots backlash, which would likely lead to the downfall of the current Democratic Party hierarchy.
In my opinion, the cowardice of the Democratic Party Presidential candidates in the face of this empty DNC threat, over an issue they tell us is an existential crisis, tells us all we need to know about the low quality of the candidates, and their unreadiness to take on President Trump.
“Protests erupt after DNC puts kibosh on climate change-focused debate”
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/protests-dnc-kibosh-on-climate-change-debate
The left is self destructing ! LOL
Eric
“Republican blasts ‘unapologetic hypocrisy’ of climate change alarmists”
https://video.foxnews.com/v/6075131217001/#sp=show-clips
Getting it from both sides…..
Note the present tense.
You may want to believe the projections of the various IPCC global models (of which 90 of 91 are tracking too hot compared to observations) but we would need a citation to back up the idea that the earth is burning now.
Hint to Beto; Texas has always been hot.
Yep. Recall when the mantra was that if we did nothing, we’d be sorry in 50 to 100 years when the planet will have warmed 2+ degrees C? They soon realized the futility of that, and started claiming the drastic effects have already arrived! People are dying today from climate change!
Notice that the politicians and celebrities who scream the loudest about climate change are the ones that fly off to vacation in places that are 10 to 30C warmer than where they are living?
“Texas has always been hot.”
One Civil War general said, “If I owned both places, I’d live in Hell and rent out Texas.”
How can you debate settled science? This is why the DNC can’t expose the empty “might be” claims that some mysterious 97% consensus props up.
To debate will not only expose their claim of settled science but require they put forth evidence that does not exist beyond consensus.
I’m afraid the debate wouldn’t be about science. The issues would be along the lines of:
Do we ban ice vehicles in 2030 or 2040?
When we nationalize the power grid, do we reimburse investors or keep the money to mitigate the climate disasters they have caused? Same question wrt oil companies.
How many fly-over red states must we take via eminent domain to construct enough wind turbines and solar farms to power the East and West coasts?
Will we need a 90% tax rate to fund the Green New Deal, or can we get by with only 85%.
You must remember, some of these candidates are not rational. The DNC is a bit more rational, and does not want the debacle such a debate would be.
You also forgot how the mandate will be implemented regarding wind turbines and solar will be created and installed before the raw materials are processed.
Some? Who do you think is rational? Williamson, who is a New Age nutjob of a species I am very familiar with, looks like the least irrational one in the line up.
They won’t be debating the “science”. What they will be debating is exactly how much new power government is going to need in order to save us from this non-issue.
If you like your shit*y Dem candidate, you can keep your shit*y Dem candidate.
Good posting, Eric. However, none of us should celebrate this as a return to sanity by the DNC, because the reality is almost certainly the DNC looked at a public poll and were appalled at poor reception this would receive from the voting public. If they were actually concerned about saving the planet don’t you think they would plow ahead, and damn the torpedoes?
I can say for certain that Sleepy Creepy Joe is delighted not to have to debate climate change, for at least two reasons (exercise for the reader).
The one very real problem is there is nothing they can do to control the climate. But then you already know that, as do they. There is simply no row to plow on this issue.
Hypocrisy to the max.
Looks like the DNC is smarter than its candidates!
Now that’s REALLY frightening, when the party with a jackass as its moniker knows more than its parroting (yes, birdbrain) members!
The DNC would likely have research data on how badly this will play out on poll day. That would be why they are blocking it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3VKxfJPmoQ
Limbaugh tears into 2020 Dems in ‘Hannity’ exclusive
Hits the nail on head….Period.
Such a “debate” would just be rehearsed and memorized talking points on candidates trying to one-up each other on how green their new deal is, how little it would cost, and how many fictitious jobs it would create.
Imagine all the over-the-top exaggerations we would hear out of a Democrat CAGW debate!
The people running the DNC did just that and decided it wasn’t a good idea to air their CAGW lunacy in a dedicated debate.
And what would they debate? They all agree that the world is coming to an end unless the rest of us turn over our freedoms to them. So they would probably spend most of the debate bashing Trump and telling us what a horrible person he is.
Rush Limbaugh quote in above video….
” There is no man made climate change, there is nothing we can do to stop whatever the weather is going to do. We can’t make it warmer, we can’t make it colder, we can’t change hurricanes directions, we can’t dissipate them. We can’t create them.”
I agree…
Democrats trying to hide their true intentions? Say it ain’t so, Joe.
It could be that the Democrats have moved away from anything that interests the American public.
Gary Trudeau (Doonesbury cartoon) seems to think Donald Trump will take it. Always bet on the cornered rat.
Trump is neither proper Republican nor Democrat. He is what he is. That means he ignores the sacred cows and just deals with reality.
The Democrats are praying for a recession to hurt Trump’s re-election chances.
All this stuff about CAGW and GND just smacks of desperation. They’ve jumped the shark.
The best word to describe Trump is pragmatist. He will take whatever he can get wrt moving things in the direction he wants to go, and not fall on his sword over principle.
For whatever reason, that reminds me of:
General George Patton knew how to win wars.
Patton would have taken all of Germany ……. but Ike and the politicians let Russia take half of Germany (1945) and the Berlin Wall separated East and West Germany from 1961 to 1991
AS IF Elizabeth Warren or Beto O’Rourke have the training or ability to know how to independently determine whether or not ‘climate change’ is even real, much less an existential threat.
But Beto O’Rourke??–what the bleep is this man doing in even the preambles of a presidential race, what nation considers his opinion on anything worth hearing? I don’t get it.
I did not make this up!– https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beto_O'Rourke
“As a teenager, O’Rourke was a member of the computer hacker group Cult of the Dead Cow, named after a shut-down Lubbock slaughterhouse.[28] The group “is notorious for releasing tools that allowed ordinary people to hack computers running Microsoft’s Windows”. According to O’Rourke the group include female members; although it was rare for such groups in that era to contain any female hackers.[28][29] O’Rourke has admitted that he stole long-distance phone service during his teen years in order to use his dial-up modem. O’Rourke wrote numerous poems and other texts for Cult of the Dead Cow under the pseudonym “Psychedelic Warlord”, a name taken from a 1974 rock song by the band Hawkwind.[30][31][32] Pieces O’Rourke authored during this period included sexual themes and random violence.[28]
On May 19, 1995, O’Rourke and his friends jumped over a fence at the University of Texas at El Paso (UTEP) physical plant, and were arrested by the UTEP police for burglary. He was held in jail overnight and posted bail the following day. He was initially charged with burglary, but prosecutors dropped the case against O’Rourke and his friends in February 1996 when UTEP declined to pursue the charges.[41]
O’Rourke was arrested for driving while intoxicated on September 27, 1998, at 3:00 a.m. on Interstate 10 in Anthony, Texas. The charges were dismissed in October 1999 after he completed a court-recommended DWI program.[38][42]”
And he expresses opinions on climate change and would be president?? How is this not proof of a nation gone mad? Maybe this explains it–
“O’Rourke had a brief career in music during his college years.[46] After being introduced to Bad Brains as a teen,[47] O’Rourke became a fan of punk music.”
‘Bad Brains’–fits well, I guess. But just how well does this entire Democrat fracas demonstrate that climate change has definitely become (or even was started as) a political issue, not a scientific one. None of Mann’s hockey stick, Gore’s An Inconvenient Truth, or the IPCC Summaries for Policymakers are considered to be scientific documents. And after all those are the foundations.
No doubt that Beto O’Rourke has damaged his bad brain from copious amounts of bad drugs. His activities from punk rock to drunk driving to hacking computers all point to drug use and not just Marijuana. This “Psychedelic Warlord” has made a lot of bad decisions in his life and he should never be elected to any position in Gov’t. Not even as dog catcher.
Climate extremist makes them look stupid to me. Like intellectual fashion victims.
There may be other motives here too.
1. Perhaps some of them are turning just a little skeptical now. After 31 years of catastrophe propaganda promoted by US Democratic Party, without anything at all going wrong apart from:
– Western electricity systems getting trashed (by renewables promotion)
– an energy finance blockade of less developed regions, especially Africa held up development there
2. Climate catastrophe propaganda promoted by US Democratic Party promoted distinctly mindless, unthinking, left activists who promise hell but deliver no promise of heaven, or anything good. Sensible Dems know these people are vote losers, and economy killers.
3. The climate alarmists they made are now coming after their seats in both houses. Activists with no-holds barred political tactics – because they think they’re ‘saving the planet’.
What a bunch of climate science and energy ignorant buffoons and hypocrites. Losers all of them.
The political mantra of the left –
“never explain, never apologize”
“Such a mass expulsion of climate concerned Presidential candidates would stir an immediate grassroots backlash, which would likely lead to the downfall of the current Democratic Party hierarchy.”
Oh, I think they should tackle that. I really do. If that leads to their downfall, if it makes them look ridiculous and narrow-minded and all that other stuff, fine by me. They desperately need to be shown for what they really are.
If I were a Dem candidate and wanted to separate myself from the pack on climate change, I would absolutely view this ultimatum as an opportunity. Can you imagine if Bernie called their bluff? There is no way in hell they would mess with him after what happened in 2016. Their base would go bananas. Plus, it would give Bernie (or whoever does it) the ultimate way to differentiate his campaign from everyone else … “I was the only candidate willing to risk my candidacy to talk about the climate apocalypse. All these other jerks are phonies who aren’t true believers like me”. He could proclaim himself a martyr for the climate religion, only the DNC lacks the backbone of the Roman Empire, and wouldn’t follow through on crucifying him. He could have his cake and eat it too.
No matter which road the Hypocrats take in the DNC Debates, they will be doing the party an extremist disservice. If they do allow the Climate Debate, their extremist beliefs will be brought to light. If they do not allow it, the Republicans gain fuel against whichever Hypocrite in Chief rises to the top.
I reckon the DNC is actually thinking about how this might affect their chances of winning the Senate or the White House (as opposed to the candidates for POTUS, who apparently have the zeal of religious converts in matters climate).
Somewhat correct. The “run” for the presidency (in 2020) is all smoke and mirrors, as is the current blather about impeachment. The DNC/Democrats/Liberals/Progressives/Socialists do not care if one of them wins the presidency. If they do, great. If they don’t, no big deal. Their focus is to hold the House AND WIN THE SENATE. They know a debate among their own (fake or serious) about climate is NOT going to add a single vote for their candidate come the General election as the vast majority of voters KNOW the planet isn’t burning beneath their feet. They know a nationally broadcasted Democrats ONLY debate on climate change would be waste of time and would probably backfire on their chosen one come the General and suck the oxygen out of local races for House and Senate. I’ll bet there will NOT BE one Democrat running for H or S that’ll do more than casually mention the subject, much less debate it with whomever they are running against. The “locals” will talk about the 3 R’s; Russia (still) and Racism and Recession. Russia because they need a bogeyman, Racism because all Republicans a racists, and Recession because it ultimately does come down to money for everyone. And of course, all 3 are nothing more than fear-mongering. Something both sides use when they have nothing positive to offer.
“And of course, all 3 are nothing more than fear-mongering. Something both sides use when they have nothing positive to offer.”
The Right offers individual freedom. That’s a positive. The Left offers slavery. That’s a negative.
The Right is always offering personal freedom, so the Right always has something positive to offer. The Left has nothing to offer but fear-mongering..
Justice Ginsburg’s health seems to be going down hill fast.
Deep down, Even they know it is a load of ******!
If climate change is the global concern it’s purported to be, then those making statements like “Our planet is burning… without irrefutable evidence, should be prosecuted for lying to the taxpayer.
Obama should be prosecuted for mentioning 97% consensus as it’s known to be a fabricated and dishonest claim.
Any reference made to Mann’s discredited hockey stick should be dealt with by prosecution as well as, irrespective of his claim that the MWP wasn’t global, it did occur (along with the Roman Warm period) and people didn’t just live through it, they thrived.
On a matter as important as climate change, their should be prosecutions, assuming it is that important and not just a money making Al Gore scam.
“This decision is as baffling as it is alarming,” he tweeted. “Our planet is burning— the least we can do as a party is debate what to do about it.” No it it is not There is no climate crisis’ the planet is not burning. In reality, the climate change that we are experiencing is very small and is caused by the sun and the oceans over which mankind has no control Despite the hype, there is no real evidence that CO2 has any effect on climate and there is plenty of scientific rationale that the climate sensitivity of CO2 is zero. Trashing the economy will have no effect on climate so why do it? What would be best for the “common man” is to improve the economy as best we can. Cannot the Democrat Party provide candidates who can deal with reality and will fight for the betterment of the common man? Wasting money trying to fight Mother Nature is not in the interest of the common man.
“In my opinion, the cowardice of the Democratic Party Presidential candidates in the face of this empty DNC threat, over an issue they tell us is an existential crisis, tells us all we need to know about the low quality of the candidates, and their unreadiness to take on President Trump.”
You really should put a /sarc tag in there somewhere. 😄
The leftist presidential candidates are already doing everything they can to lose the election. I’m surprised somebody in the DNC has a sense of self preservation.
Oh dear. Texas college Democrats are so-o-o-o-o upset about this DNC decision. What do they have to do to save the planet? Inquiring minds want to know….
But…but…I thought “Climate Change” was the ONLY issue and “The Green New Deal” was the only solution?
They can’t mention in the debates how they will best address “Climate Change”????
I guess the politicians know that “Climate Change” and “The Green New Deal” are no big deal after all.
(Or, if they really buy into it, they know it will cost the PR and votes.)
“It goes on to call for the DNC and “its partners and organizations to organize climate-specific forums and invite all candidates to attend and speak at such forums.””
“CNN will host one of those forums on September 4, when all ten candidates who qualified for the next debate will participate in individual town halls on the climate crisis.”
“The DNC threat to expel candidates who stage a single issue climate change debate in my opinion is unenforceable.”
The story isn’t clear on the subject. It looks like the September 4 debate is going to happen. I don’t think there is a threat reading the linked story. Here’s my guess, the DNC will not do a climate only debate. Others will do at least one, and noone participating will be in trouble. I think that’s the way it sits. There is no current threat to expel. I could wrong. The situation should be clarified on WUWT or the article withdrawn from WUWT.
Ragnaar (quoting earlier)
Oh! I get it!
The ultra-progressively liberal socialist democrat communist party is prohibiting its own candidates from enjoying their own right to free speech!
Upon further review, they can forum and not debate. And I expect the debate police to be watching closely to make sure they are not debating. I could have written my above better.
The DNC believes in the nonsense. But just don’t want people to know what it will cost. Same for healthcare and college. So you want to hide the cost of your agenda. What should I think?
Tom Abbott wrote:
100% Correct.
What Else????
PLAN B:
The Crazy Crowd gets together to debate the Burning Issue of the day. Of course they think going all MoonBat will actually help them. That is why they are the Crazy Crowd.
But plans are in motion. Wheels within wheels, within wheels:
1) Biden stays away. His handlers will not let him anywhere near this disaster.
3) Warren stays away. She may be organizing this behind the scenes.
3) Sanders stays away. He would attend, but at the last minute, he smells a rat.
The MoonBat festival goes off as planned. The American Public sees just how Crazy these candidates really are. As damage control, DNC makes good on it’s threat and bans all participants from future debates. They HAD to, they had no choice. The debate was a PR train wreck!
Now the Primary race is the Top three, the field has been instantly cleaned out. The path to the nomination is greatly simplified.
1) Biden: His handlers breathe a sigh of relief, disaster averted.
2) Warren: {evil grin}, then issues tepid response showing empathy to failed candidates.
3) Sanders: Slowly, it dawns on him that there might have been more going on here than meets the eye.
Then it must not be the planetary emergency of our time. Come clean with the issue or admit massive deception up to this point.
What’s Steyer going to talk about then?
If the DNC — as a party — actually believed their own propaganda they’d have a single issue debate. They certainly SAY that the issue is important enough. The truth is, they are all pandering for votes, and their liberal-headed constituency is too dense to figure that out.
But after all, these are people who think that a trace gas is the global thermostat and that raising taxes and building wind turbines will cool the earth.
The Democrat nut jobs would be exposed in five minutes .
The problem the DNC has is it’s are addicted to the money
coming from the climate fraud industry yet it is a sure fired election loser .
You won’t be hearing any Hillary ” fire coal miner” pledges this time but the cat
is out of the bag and they know it .
Might as well go all but a climate debate …no chance , they are already anti -American enough .
Why would any union prop up a party that openly wants to wipe out its members jobs ?
The Democrat nut jobs would be exposed in five minutes .
The problem the DNC has is it’s addicted to the money
coming from the climate fraud industry yet it is a sure fired election loser .
You won’t be hearing any Hillary ” fire coal miner” pledges this time but the cat
is out of the bag and they know it .
Might as well go all but a climate debate …no chance , they are already anti -American enough .
Why would any union prop up a party that openly wants to wipe out its members jobs ?
Isn’t it rather sad when a political party can’t openly debate the thing they
want to shove down USA citizen’s throat ?
Can you blame them ? The nuked greenie deal showed how absolutely wacko they have gotten .
Now spitting raging Bernie wants to nationalize the energy industry .
Please please Democrats pick Bernie . Trump will punch him out like he is a plastic bag of milk .