Date: 03/1019 Benny Peiser, GWPF
Presentation at the De-Greening Day, Amsterdam 7 March 2019
The EU’s green energy policies have
* increased energy prices significantly
* reduced competitiveness of European industries
* failed to solve the technological Achilles’ heel of intermittent renewables
* increased energy insecurity and dependence on Russian energy imports
* increased division between Western Europe and Central & Eastern Europe
* given rise to widespread public discontent and the rise of populist parties opposed to the green energy agenda
Here is a link to the complete presentation. Worth a read and spreading around~ctm
Well from those bullets, Putin’s subversion of Western Europe, with a well-crafted disinformation campaign and plenty of useful idiot scientists, is proceeding splendidly.
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I thought the same thing, but then I thought he’s just watching from the sidelines and selling party favors.
Joel O’Bryan: It is a bit more scary when a Russian scheme actually works (the useful idiots were absolutely essential to this one proceeding splendidly). I was concerned that another Russian scheme had succeeded, you know the one, stealing the ’16 election. But Hillary recently explained that it was voter suppression in WI wot done it, not the russians. So that’s good to know. It’ll be interesting to see if the american press ever notices that each explanation of her loss (from her and her own team) contradicts the last one, and “the russians done it” is contradicted by all the others. Not holdin’ my breath.
From a big picture, long term, standpoint, why would the Russians have wanted Trump? Why would they have wanted Hillary?
Other than less USA military involvement in foreign regions, how does Trump help Russia?
Hillary on the other hand … how would Russia have benefited from her policies of self harm (energy, immigration, etc.)?
Putin’s main aims (no matter who won) was to encourage/allow the USA to waste a bunch of time & energy questioning/doubting/criticizing our political leadership and system of government. Watch the next major election to see if he is succeeding.
Unclear how much of this is Putin’s doing. Europeans have been finding ways to ruin their civilizations for centuries.
Putin is probably busy popping popcorn (well, and killing journalists).
Main translation of “OntGroeningsdag” would be Hazing Day with secondary meaning of “de-Greening”.
The context is the organization called “de Groene rekenkamer” which translates as “the Green auditor”. Since even their offices are fully green (powered), the important element here is the initiation into the topic and not undoing all existing “green” policies as the main goal. Then again, it would surely be seen as that, as well.
“12 EU nations failed to install a single wind turbine”. Nice to see that 12 EU nations are still capable of making a rational decision. I’m surprised and impressed. Now if 12 states in the USA would totally reject worth-less-than-nothing renewables we really might MAGA!
12 nations with some sense. Those 12 nations should consider exiting the EU before it’s too late.
LOL. That horse done left the barn.
When so-called EU citizens attempt to leave, they’ll bump into the massive TRAC-II debt their governments allowed the EU Central Bank to run up for them (especially Germany). All this supposed EU stabilization QE has not been cheap (let alone effective).
Music reference: Hotel California (Eagles).
These people who call themselves “greens” are trying to reduce the amount of atmospheric carbon dioxide and hence the greening of the planet.
Ironies of ironies.
The bigger irony is that even given carte blanche they would be unable to remove a perceptible amount of CO2 from the atmosphere, nor would it make a perceptible change in global temperature if they could. “But, but … we have to do something!”
brians356
at ANY cost!
to others
In his presentation, Benny points out the Lisbon Strategy.
It sounds like the workers’ paradise. That didn’t work so great for the Soviet Union or anywhere else it’s been tried.
These utopian dreams sound great in theory. In practice, good old capitalism delivers much closer to a workers’ paradise. Everywhere Communism has been tried, it has delivered workers’ hell.
commieBob
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socialsocialist cohesionOddly, all the policies enacted by the European Commission have had exactly the opposite effect.
You think that’s odd?
Liars lie. They always say one thing and do the exact opposite. I’m not even sure if they do it on purpose.
Their highly inaccurate view of human nature is so miserably incorrect that regardless how intensely they believe in the tooth fairy, sh1t happens.
Even when socialists starve/murder tens of million of the worst-offending of their citizens, sh1t still happens.
Sounds like most governments where due to ignorance they can’t see the outcomes of their policies.
I want it,
I want it now,
I want somebody else to pay for it.
Sounds familiar (61% of American youth think socialism is good).
In other words, when you’ve crippled you manufacturing base and all you have left to sell are your ‘brilliant’ ideas.
And by sell, I mean have government pay you for them.
:p
They can use those EU intellects to contemplate why the EU is failing miserably at providing people what they really need: Freedom of speech and cheap electricity.
EU does have beautiful vacation spots. As long as the locals are knowledgable about room-cleaning, bar-tending, tonight’s menu & wine, it’ll have (foreign) customers.
You are really a bit dim if you cannot see that the EU is a capitalist wet dream. Not for SMEs any more, but for corporations.
It has made state ownership illegal, which is complete nonsense for a start. All that has happened is that German state owned companies etc floated minority stakes to call it ‘privatisation’. They are still controlled by the state. You know: Deutsche Bahn etc.
It is impossible to prevent young industries from predatory asset stripping, which renders the whole point of entrepreneurialism moot.
The EU is neither communist nor socialist, it is corporatist, as you expect any organisation to be when it bows to Washington from sunrise to sunset.
So why do we have gender (sex) education and other cultural Marxism niceties in our primary schools in the UK?
Rhys Jaggar
Nice try at attempting to make a corrupt socialist system’s problems the fault of capitalism (or corporatism, whatever).
However, I’m calling BS and invoking the Willy Sutton law of stealing from banks (aka: “because that’s where the money is”:
Sometime during the process of taxing the natives dry, the only thing left is raiding corporations (examples: Mexico & PEMEX’ Venezuela& PDVSA, Russia & everything).
This has nothing to do with capitalism; it’s pure greed and corruption.
Most importantly, and in common with all other Green initiatives on global warming, they have failed to lower CO2 emissions.
It is like insisting people take vitamin C supplements with the idea of reducing colds in the winter, and keeping on with it despite the fact that it has no effect on the incidence of colds, and there is no plausible mechanism by which it could.
Humans are subject to these manias from time to time. Consider the great masturbation panic of the late 19C, and the advocacy, in the UK, of circumcision as the solution. There was nothing to get excited about, and even if there were, the supposed remedy would have had no effect on it.
In the same way, European emissions are not the problem (even if global emissions are a real problem). The problem is developing world emissions, including in particular China, India and Indonesia. And renewables in any case do not lower them.
The lesson is, Greens will invariably advocate doing things which, if their own account is correct, are not a solution to the supposed problem. Indeed, in many cases what they advocate will actually make it worse, that is, increase rather than reduce emissions.
to lower CO2 emissions.
It is like insisting people take vitamin C supplements with the idea of reducing colds in the winter, and keeping on with it despite the fact that it has no effect on the incidence of colds, and there is no plausible mechanism by which it could.
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Vitamin C is an acid.
Anyone who takes uncontrolled daily vitamin C dosages will one day get stomach / bowel problems.
https://www.google.com/search?client=ms-android-samsung&ei=0TGGXOu1Ou-JrwSO5LrYBA&q=acetylsalicylic+acid+vitamin+c&oq=vitamin+c+acetylsalicylacid+&gs_l=mobile-gws-wiz-serp.
Sadly, it must have been an anomaly in the other thread, as here you are, once again posting annoying waste of time google search links instead of directly linking to whatever it is you want people to see.
I’m wondering if Johann owns stock in google, which is why he is so desperate to drive traffic there.
All “vitamins” are acids. Take care.
“Consider the great masturbation panic of the late 19C…”
At least something useful came out of that, even if it was only Kellogg’s Cornflakes.
Well, off-hand, Michel, lots of people (despite your claim) get excited about masturbation.
However, good job squeezing this obscure factoid into a climate discussion.
I’m not impressed with this report…
The dependency on Russian coal/gas would be there without any renewable efforts…
the rest is just not true. (Look at what German electricity prices are actually made up of!)
griff
I’m not impressed with this report…
Why are we not surprised?
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You got your hand slapped this weekend for posting uncommented google searches.
He’s been told numerous times about his google searches to no avail. He keeps doing it despite it being an annoying waste of time.
Johann, post the PAGE address, like this:
https://www.cleanenergywire.org/factsheets/what-german-households-pay-power
Exactly
Poor griff is in denial.
Poor griff appears to be a cohort of “Seb H” at Pierre Goselin’s NoTricksZone blog…
A C, that seems to be griff’s permanent address.
Griff, could you yourself elaborate on what German electricity prices are actually made up of?
Griff
I thought you were never coming back, have your finances been affected by your lack of trolling?
for the most part Germany has been supplying France with energy – up to 7GW.
reliability of nuclear
check the link: https://www.edfenergy.com/energy/power-station/daily-statuses
a number of unexpected trips this year one still out of action, this removes between 400MW and 1GW instantly from the grid. A wind energy convertor fail will remove 1 to 7MW wind reduction only happens slowly – easier to control.
4 generators will have been off for more than a year dates for return keep getting extended.
A mix of energy is required (including storage – batteries/pumped/other?). A localised generation lowers transmission losses which should be good. WECs need not use rare earth magnets. WECs can help black start (electronic conversion from generator to grid)
Wind generation without subsidies is already lower cost per MWh than conventional, unfortunately it will always require back up. Trying to find ACCURATE comparison between generation methods is just about impossible.
Comparing country energy prices is tricky. Germany (and most European supplies) sell cheaply to industry and consequently have to charge more to household.
“for the most part Germany has been supplying France with energy – up to 7GW.”
That’s an interesting number. Where did you get this?
http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/france/ shows a max of 5GW in the French-German interconnector.
download the data – seems to have lots of oddities in early data!
The plots for germany show power exceeding the upper plot limit
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“… sell cheaply to industry and consequently have to charge more to household.”
There is a lower charge for high volume … just like in most things.
Ignorance fostering bias? Or bias causing ignorance?
Daylight Savings Time is at odds with the Green New Deal
“If we change our times with the sole intent of increasing the amount of daylight we receive, that’s an extra hour of sun shine that will warm the planet. That’s one extra hour per day of extra heat warming our already unstable planet. We need to repeal Daylight Savings Time as a primary measure to decrease the rate of climate change. Less hours of sun shine equal less heat hitting Earth’s surface. We’re running out of time!” (actual quote)
I bet Griff agrees with her……lol
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
Trust but verify! Although that quote is believable based on her myriad brainless ideas and arguments to date, that is not an actual quote of hers. It’s an actual quote, but it comes from NPC Daily, which is exclusively a satire site, akin to the Onion. Note: this is not to say I support her or any of her ideas. I believe they are mostly the complete opposite of reality. But, there is plenty of actual criticisms to be made of her statements, beliefs, and proposed policies. No need to include fake items.
Marcus, two things:
1) As Josh Grella points out that is from the satire site NPC Daily
2) It’s call Daylight Saving Time (no “s” at the end of saving). Not exactly your fault, as you were quoting NPC Daily and they got it wrong. calling it Daylight Savings Time is a common misspelling.
I see Griff still refuses to allow any facts or solid evidence to interfere with his (her?) political indoctrination.
So you are saying that if Europe would develop their own natural gas resources, they would still buy just as much Russian natural gas??
griff
I’m not impressed with this report…
So what?
I seriously question the motives of the entire cabal of socialists, Greens, global warming alarmists (aka warmists) etc. Their history is horrific and reprehensible.
It is clearly NOT about the environment or the well-being of humanity – almost everything they have done is anti-human AND anti-environmental.
In the 20th Century, socialists Stalin, Hitler and Mao caused the deaths of over 200 million people, mostly their own citizens. Lesser killers like Pol Pot and the many tin-pot dictators of South America and Africa killed and destroyed the lives of many more. Not all these people were murdered by psychopathic tyrants – many deaths in the FSU and China were caused by starvation and deprivation, due to the false agricultural science called Lysenkoism.
Recent Green Death probably started with the 1972-2002 effective ban of DDT, which caused global deaths from malaria to increase from about 1 million to almost two million per year. Most of these deaths were children under five in sub-Saharan Africa – just babies for God’s sake!
Warmists can take credit for food-for-fuels hunger, the clear-cutting of the rainforest to grow sugar cane for fuel ethanol and palm oil for biodiesel, the rapid draining of the vital Ogallala aquifer for corn ethanol and biodiesel, bird-and-bat-chopping wind turbines, runaway energy costs and reduced electric grid reliability, increased Winter Mortality and similar social and environmental disasters.
The number of Excess Winter Deaths and shattered lives caused by runaway energy costs in the developed world and lack of access to modern energy in the developing world probably exceeds the tens of millions of malaria deaths caused by the DDT ban.
Dr. Patrick Moore was a co-founder and Past-President of Greenpeace. He left Greenpeace in the early 1990’s. Here is why – read Moore’s essay, “Hard Choices for the Environmental Movement”, written in 1994, especially “The Rise of Eco-Extremism”
http://ecosense.me/2012/12/30/key-environmental-issues-4/
Patrick observed that Eco-extremism is the new “false-front” for political Marxists, who were discredited after the fall of the Soviet Union circa 1990 and took over the Green movement to further their political objectives. I have corresponded with Patrick on this essay and we both agree that he “nailed it”.
The Green movement is really a smokescreen for the old Marxists – and they are the great killers or our age.
Excellent post. Watching the devolution of the green power structure is like watching paint peel while I count the years go by. It is a race between a rational critical mass and the grave yard.
Excellent post. Watching devolution of the green power structure is like watching paint peel while the years go by. It is a race to the graveyard.
“failed to solve the technological Achilles’ heel of intermittent renewables”
This problem is not really solvable. The only way to solve this problem is to have fossil-fueled or nuclear powerplants providing the electricity when the wind doesn’t blow and the sun doesn’t shine.
But if that’s the only way to solve the problem, then why even build windmills and industrial solar? Just use the fossil-fueled powerplants as the sole source of electricity, or, if you are worried about CO2, then use nuclear powerplants to supply the electricity since they don’t produce CO2.
Focusing on windmills and industrial solar means we have to build twice as much power producing infrastructure as we really need. Eliminate the windmills and solar and go with something that works the way we need it to work.
Windmills and industrial solar are some of the worst ideas Evah!
Wind and solar are best when not tied to the grid and are actually the best choice for some uses.
For example, I’m in a rural area with a lot of 4-way stops. We’ve had accidents over the years as people coming up on the intersections at night have missed the signs and have gone full bore into the intersection. On the rare (once a year +/-) occasion when someone is pulling into the intersection at the same time, the crashes have typically been fatal and always very serious.
The stop signs now have solar powered flashing lights and I can’t recall an accident since they were installed; perfect application.
Base load power? Not suitable as the presentation makes clear.
Exactly. A friend of mine has a cabin in the mountains. His fridge is powered by propane, as are most of the lights, but there is some need for electricity. So he has solar panels that charge batteries. But it’s because hooking up to the grid would cost over $100,000, not because solar is better than grid energy.
Great idea, get AOC on the phone. There needs to be a $100k tax on connecting to the grid to ensure that we make electricity cheaper using battery storage. Later we can raise it to $200k so that we make battery storage even cheaper
That is called a System Development Charge (SDS).
To get it work right, the lawyers need to include language in the legislation that creates the SDS system: “once the SDS methodology is accepted it cannot be challenged” (the lawyer will be very proud of sneaking in this language).
Make sure that the State can create the System Development Charge (NOT A TAX), as well as the local jurisdiction/entity. (Don’t make the mistake of leaving out this step).
Then quickly ram through the methodology that shows a nexus between State social costs and electric use (100K is not needed, $6K would do it). Require that local jurisdiction has to collect the SDC for the State.
Since SDC’s need to be spent on the specifically related need, there would be a huge slush fund for green political backers.
This does many things. It stunts growth & it fools the greenies into supporting dems. What’s not to like.
We have a lot of solar powered roadside stuff in Australia, mainly signs and emergency phones. In our very spread out regional areas of makes a lot of sense. The savings of not having to install wires must easily pay for the solar system.
Where I live, the only thing that is still delivered to my house in any way by fixed infrastructure is electricity. I’m certainly considering going off that grid too, but the cost is still too much compared to the savings. Given the ludicrous increases in the price of electricity here, it won’t be long, however…
“This problem is not really solvable.” So it’s a non-solution to a non-existent problem. If you say it quickly it almost makes sense!
Increasing costs significantly in major developed countries drives emissions offshore to the countries least equipped to handle the change in growth. Total emissions are increased in the process.
NIMBY can be quite destructive for all concerned, especially if fair auditing and impact research are compromised by crusaders.
California (here we come!)
“We’ve been on the run
Driving in the sun
Looking out for number 1
California, here we come
Right back where we started from”
There is talk of a worldwide economic slowdown, and I strongly suspect that much of that is a result of the Greenie economic chickens coming home to roost. The US is, and will remain in a stronger economic condition, thanks in large part to Trump, and to the fact that we haven’t drunk the Greenie koolade to the extent the rest of the world has.
The economies of China and the EU are slowing down and will cause some effects in the U.S. economy.
The United States is in the best position to weather any coming global economic slowdown. The U.S. may slow down a little, while the rest of the world slows down a lot.
“When America sneezes the world catches a cold,” and it would follow that, when the world catches a cold, America only sneezes.
Green, yes. However, only marginally “green” or human, animal, plant, ecologically friendly. The green drivers, gray energy agenda has benefits and limitations that are context and application sensitive. Their framing as a general solution has caused severe, even catastrophic misalignments, and retarded development.