A few days ago we had this: Another “Ship of Fools” gets grounded in Arctic ice, needs rescue
Jay Ayer writes via WUWT Tips and Notes email:
An 11 meter sailboat was crushed and sunk by arctic ice in the Bellot strait on 8/29/2018. The vessel was attempting the Northwest Passage. The captain may have believed the propaganda about an ice free arctic in 2018.
Details:
‘No injuries to the passengers have been reported,’ says Coast Guard spokesperson
The Canadian Coast Guard rescued two passengers of a sinking sailboat who were trapped on an ice floe in Arctic waters early Wednesday morning. The incident took place in Bellot Strait. (CBC)
Drama in the northwest passage
Sailing yacht gets into drift ice in the middle of the night, gets crushed and sinks within minutes. The crew has to flee to the ice
Pascal Schürmann on 29.08.2018
https://www.yacht.de/aktuell/panorama/drama-in-der-nordwestpassage/a118316.html
Darwin’s theory should have been allowed to take its course.
This is ugly. The crew were not adequately prepared and probably mislead by the mainstream media which have been talking about ice free waters even north of Greenland. They were lucky to get out of the ship alive (and dry I assume) as it sank so quickly.
Thinking this again; I think they were pretty adequately prepared as they actually survived this. It were so easy to kill oneself in the Arctic. What happened during the night, I wouldn’t like to speculate what kind of error they did.
They should have had a watch posted all hours, and planned a viable retreat path. Not doing so probably just wiped out a half million dollar boat.
Narrow strait, ice floes, darkness, small boat not built for ice……….well, what could possibly go wrong!!
While I may think it is stupid to climb Mount Everest, I have a certain admiration for people who attempt it. Perhaps it is because I myself was stupid in that way, in my younger days.
Inadvertently these crazy dudes send us on-the-scenes reports that are different from “Fake News”. Bellot Strait is a very cool short-cut the old explorers didn’t even know existed, and zipping through it allows many ships to complete the Northwest Passage, as it is usually ice-free for a brief time in late summer. I think the sun, reflecting off peaks to the north, has an effect like a very weak solar oven. However this year the sun was not strong enough, and also a lot of ice may have moved in from ice-clotted waters at the western entrance. Consequently we get an on-the-scene report of a changed situation.
Some of these scenes are very local, and are invisible in the maps produced from data gathered by satellites miles up in space. For this reason I deeply appreciated the “North Pole Camera” and “O-buoys”. They gave us on-the-scene reports that contradicted “Fake News.” But such buoys were not appreciated by those who hold the purse-strings, and went unfunded, and we don’t have them any more. All we have, in the way of on-the-scene reporters, are crazy sailors who have the urge to climb a sort of Mount Everest called “The Northwest Passage”.
Speaking of which, three brave fellows wanted to be the first to sail right across the North Pole. They invented a sort of iceboat-catamaran, and failed in 2013. Undaunted, they tried again this summer, and failed again. Now they are struggling to get back to shore as the sun sinks and temperatures start to plunge.
https://sunriseswansong.wordpress.com/2018/08/29/arctic-sea-ice-beaufort-gale-endangers-sailors/
I pray these fellows make it to shore and to the hot shower they admit they dream of. But I am not entirely unselfish. I am hoping they try again in 2019, and send us more on-the-scene reporting.
I also confess that, while I am not young enough to do the stupid things they do, some say I still am stupid. Why? Because I fight city hall, which states the Arctic is in a Death Spiral, and we’re all doomed unless we send more money. (IE: Increase taxes.)
Until the day I give up and say, “If you can’t beat them, join them”, I will go right on being stupid and fighting city hall. Therefore it would be the pot calling the kettle black to call others stupid.
I wrote more about ships getting crushed in the arctic.
https://sunriseswansong.wordpress.com/2018/09/01/arctic-sea-ice-long-hauls-and-shipwrecks/
But I forgot to mention the Alaskan Whaling Disaster of 1871. A shift in sea-ice trapped 33 ships, crushing all but one of them, which survived until spring. Amazingly, over a thousand left the trapped ships and joined the seven ships that escaped the ice, and a month later they were basking in the sun down in Hawaii without a single life lost.
Far from being Edmund Hilary or Scott or Edmundson heroic pioneers, they probably thought they were going to “sail through” and prove all the denyerz wrong, get on the front page of the newspaper and “highlight the need for action”.
They are now suing the coast guard for ruining their chances of getting a Darwin award and being climate martyrs.
and left a new bunch of junk containing oil/fuel littering the arctic. i am sure the arctic alarmist community will be condemning them any time now as it appears they ignored advice from the coastguard to leave due to the increasingly dangerous conditions.
What they leave behind is but a pip, a pinpoint, a mere speck, quite worrying about it. Mother Nature is vast!
indeed, but the clamour from certain quarters about leaving the arctic “pristine” would lead me to believe certain quarters are hypocrites. if this had been a mineral exploration vessel what would the response have been ?
I hope they’re prepared for their insurance to tell them “sorry for your loss but there’s nothing we can do” and for a 5-digit bill from the coast guard.
I wouldn’t like to speculate what kind of error they did.
It’s pretty easy to figure out what error they did: they believed the MSM/Alarmist lies about the “ice free” artic and went sailing where they should have known better.
And you’ve just regurgitated the opinion without bothering to check any of the facts – the opposite of scepticism.
In an unrelated incident, mountain rescue people in Switzerkand express their frustration at people attempting to walk up ice covered mountains like the Matterhorn in nothing more than shorts, trainers, no coats and carrying carrier bags
Do people believe that wild icy places just aren’t dangerous any more?
News release for Hugs:
1) Mainstream media is not where a ship’s captain gets weather data & forecasts
2) The captain was criminally negligent sailing in that environment without a thorough weather briefing & frequent weather updates from a credible weather station
3) The passengers were definitely not “pretty adequately prepared” simply because they survived 11 hours, pending a VERY EXPENSIVE Canadian Coast Guard rescue.
Bottom line: Hugs, do not let any of the above convince you not to attempt the same passage.
It sounds like they were more closely following the Franklin course.
Nope. Franklin went by way of Peel Strait and tried to go west of Prince William Island. If he had tried to follow the inshore route east and south of PWI he would very likely have succeeded like Amundsen did 60 years later. Since Peel Strait was passable 1846 the inshore route almost certainly was ice-free. However at this time PWI was thought to be a peninsula, not an island.
And that ended with cannibalism.
tty – In my defense I meant ‘course’ in the general sense of:
Hey-ho, off we go to sail through the NW Passage… Get stuck in ice… Boat sinks.
Sure, Franklin had two boats and it took him a couple years longer, but the outcomes were pretty much the same.
But did they drag their piano with them across the ice after abandoning ship?
What’s a dinner party without music and iced drinks…
Well, they’ve got the “iced” part down.
Or, the Frankenstein course?
Lord Franklin
It was homeward bound one night on the deep
Swinging in my hammock I fell asleep
I dreamed a dream and I thought it true
Concerning Franklin and his gallant crew
With one hundred seamen he sailed away
To the frozen ocean in the month of May
To seek a passage around the pole
Where we poor seamen do sometimes go
Through cruel hardships they mainly strove
Their ship on mountains of ice was drove
Only the Eskimo with his skin canoe
Was the only one that ever came through
In Baffin’s Bay where the whale fish blow
The fate of Franklin no man may know
The fate of Franklin no tongue can tell
Lord Franklin along with his sailors do dwell
And now my burden it gives me pain
For my long lost Franklin I’d cross the main
Ten thousand pounds I would freely give
To say on earth that my Franklin do live
https://youtu.be/9f0c1rL7bsk
Yes, I know that as a very nice folk song – great tune. Was it a poem first?
The real propaganda is the idea that observed annual changes in sea ice extent is a global warming thing. There is no supporting evidence for that claim. Please see:
https://tambonthongchai.com/2018/08/04/does-global-warming-drive-changes-in-arctic-sea-ice/
“The general pattern seen in Figures 1&2 is that temperatures are rising, sea ice area is falling, and that the correlation between these changes appears to vary greatly among the calendar months”
Appears to be the opposite to me. Each month – temp trend up, ice area trend down. Isn’t that what happens to ice when you warm it?
Yep. All natural, of course
As usual, Ryan demonstrates that he doesn’t know the difference between a trend and a cycle.
A usual MarkW types something vacuous, advancing the alarmist cause.
Boat gets stuck in the ice in the summer. Sceptics laugh and say ‘fools’. RyanS says they are not fools because ice melts when you warm it up.
riiiiiight. got it.
As usual Errin’ Ryan sidesteps a rebuttal with a vacuous jab at the rebutter. Bonus unpoints for projecting his own vacuity onto the other side.
A usual
MarkWRyanS types something vacuous, advancing thealarmistskeptic cause.Fixed that for you.
As usual Ryan changes the subject rather than admit his errors.
Nothing like a snappy ad-hom to derail the discussion. Shows what level they play on.
RyanS adhominem (“types something vacuous”) scored as zero substance, rather trite and unclever.
Coaching to RyanS: [pruned]
Hey Ryan, causation is a darn hard nut to crack.
from the paper:
“It is likely that the observed loss in sea ice area is a more complex phenomenon possibly with roles for winds, ocean currents, geothermal heat, and natural multi-decadal variability of lunar nodal cycles and other ocean characteristics not measured and not fully understood. Global warming may play a role in what may be a complex multivariate phenomenon but the data do not show that global warming drives year to year changes in Arctic sea ice area or that the decline can be halted or moderated by taking climate action.”
perhaps it is time to start charging “adventurers” for gross negligence, rescue costs, and cleanup costs. A 7 figure total bill of fines and costs might dampen the enthusiasm. “pour encourager les autres”
correction, given the remote location the cost might be high 8 figures
its a sunk cost….
needs the drum / cymbal badum tishhh!
“needs the drum / cymbal badum tishhh!”
Known colloquially as a rimshot.
I wonder if their insurers will pay out?
I think it is usual for policies to have clauses in them that impose higher premiums if the vessel is deliberately taken into areas with an increased risk of damage. Errands of mercy are normally excepted.
Insurance premiums are based upon risk.
Insurance with respect to ocean vessels contain such provisions, and maybe an obligation to have a certain ice class standard before operating in such areas.
Under any insurance policy there is an obligation to make full disclosure, and this covers use such that the insured may have been obliged to declare
the geographical area of use, and then there is an obligation to act as a prudent uninsured.
Negligence and recklessness are not always an automatic bar to a claim, but depending upon circumstances and the wording of cover can be.
I got an insurance quote for the NWP once. The premium was outrageous and it had a 50% deductible for total loss. My guess is that most boats do this passage uninsured.
Offshore policies typically have sailing limits. Ours was 3% annual hull and machinery all oceans 60 degress n/s excluding red sea and eastern med. Lots of boat cruise without insurance.
I doubt if they even had insurance. At least from my experience several years ago Lloyd’s was about the only place you could get it for such a risky trip.
Perhaps round up the Wadhams, the Gores, the Hansens and all those who predicted an ice free Arctic by now and send them up there on a ship to prove it.
Yes, and with no rescue or support missions allowed. Put up or shut up, as it were.
Perhaps these sailors should consider suing the Wadhams, the Gores, the Hansens and the rest who predicted an ice free artic to pay the costs of a new sailboat and the Coast Guard rescue bill.
For many years British lifeboats have been manned by volunteers. They risk their own lives to save others. There is no thought of demanding compensation.
Imagine my dismay when I discovered that a politically correct, highly paid, SJW was endangering the program by causing volunteers to resign. link Imagine my joy when I discovered that she, herself, is on the way out. link
Great news. Good riddance to another highly paid desk-bound PC-fascist attacking men donating their own time and often their own lives.
“Two lifeboatmen sacked in a row over saucy mugs have lost their battle to be reinstated after ‘being hung out to dry in a witch hunt’.
Whitby lifeboatman Joe Winspear says he is ‘heartbroken’ after being fired from the job he loved in a 60-second phone call with the RNLI who also dismissed crewmate Ben Laws.
Four other members of Whitby lifeboat crew resigned over the sackings at the start of May and a fifth is said to be on the brink of quitting as well.”
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5836995/Lifeboat-men-sacked-pornographic-mug-lose-appeal.html
Her resignation seems prior the nonsense about tea mugs.
No doubt a fair bit of political maneouvring occurred in the back ground so no flung sh1t would bring disrepute upon the RNLI, which does stirling work rescuing & saving lives around the often treacherous British coastal waters!
Thanks CB, Looks like the RNLI has been taken over by those my sister likes to call ‘nonprofit parasites’. There appears to be a whole class of people who move from charity to charity. When they ‘discover’ one that has the potential to appeal to the public and raise a lot of money they slide in the back door and start taking over. Once in place they start emotional, pull on the heart string type advertising to raise massive amounts of cash, hire scads of people and pay themselves massive salaries. This continues until exposed where they then move on to another charity and repeat the process. They have done this to the Red Cross several times, the ASPCA and several of the wounded veterans charities and many others. I guess anytime there is a lot of money laying around, someone is going to figure out how to siphon off a large chunk for himself/herself.
Reminiscent of the dangers and heroics of the Channel Islands location in Victor Hugo’s novel Toilers of the Sea.
In the US if you go adventuring and get stuck somewhere, they do charge you. They sell insurance for going into a national park, and unless you’re rich, you better have it, I can ill afford a $50,000. helicopter flight out plus the other associated costs of search and rescue.
I’m sure someone will get an outrageous bill. No telling how much the bill was for rescuing the fools in the Antarctic.
If there is anything that highlights the statement I made that ” belief supersedes reality ” in AGW, this is it. They actually believe their own propaganda.
If any skeptic has a difficult time in a conversation with a true believer of AGW, they aren’t listening. If they can’t believe something as concrete as ice pack extent and thickness, why would they listen to a different concept and result? That’s a problem that is difficult to overcome.
I believe they often are not actually charged unless gross negligence on their part leads to requiring a rescue. Just out for a day hike and getting lost generally doesn’t lead to a bill.
They sell insurance for doing things like that. You go out there and fall off a cliff, you get charged for the rescue. I don’t go unless I have the insurance. I do have flight for life insurance. You think those trips are free? Not even the ambulance service is free. How much do you think it costs to have a helicopter come in to take you out? You’re driving down the highway and you are involved in an accident. Your are severely injured. They airlift you to a hospital, think the flight is free? Think your medical or car insurance pays for that?
Canada should require a very large bond to be paid in advance, to be refunded on return to lower latitudes.
Maybe require boats attempting the NW passage to post a Rescue Bond before allowing them access to our Northern waters.
The sailboat was insured, I assume. Up go premiums.
Do they have to pay for the rescue?
Hope we learn more.
I’ll have to check back late on Friday.
Let’s see, stupid people out to prove the Arctic is ice free to save the earth, have boat with 40-50 gallons of diesel on board sink and thereby pollute the Arctic. They should be forced to pay for the recovery and remediation of the pollution they caused by their stupidity.
“out to prove the Arctic is ice free”
Why do you say that? Oh wait, I see, you’ve had your bias confirmed.
Hi Griff
Once upon a time, Ryan was marginally amusing.
Unfortunately repetition has taken the edge off his routine.
Dude stop spamming me its boring.
Griff was never nasty; rather we WUWT-ers were the nasty ones. I protested at the time that once he was driven out we’d regret it, in light of the types of warmists who would follow.
Sometimes being a jerk to stubborn fools is the nicest thing you can do for them.
Roger,
he showed profound disrespect to Dr. Susan Crockford, when told who she is and what she has done, he CONTINUES to disrespect her, saying she isn’t qualified to talk about Polar Bears.
She is a ZOOLOGIST, has a PHD with 30+ years of research, with a couple dozen published science papers mostly over the Arctic region.yet not good enough for Griff who to this day still says she is unqualified to talk about Polar Bears. The stupid burns on and on when he writes that way.
In my book he deserves ridiqule for it.
That was his worst blunder—and made worse by persisting in it when criticized. But Nick Stokes does that too, and more often. Apart from that, Griff wasn’t snide, or not very, and rarely doubled down in response to criticism. He was valuable to WUWT as he regularly posted the other side’s interpretation of current controversies, including links to his sources like the Guardian, giving us an opportunity to publish our counterpoints. I pointed that out at the time. Oh well.
Griff also attacked Dr. Judith Curry.
Griff demonstrated a propensity for beating up on women.
Yeah but Roger, the ones that followed him are all cut from the same cloth, so no harm no foul.
Instead of, “out to prove the Arctic is ice free,” he should have written, “out to prove you can navigate the Northwest passage in a sailboat.”
The difference isn’t much, but even you couldn’t dispute the truth of the latter.
RyanS
What did I miss here? Winchester didn’t say he thought the Arctic is ice-free; he said “stupid people out to prove the Arctic is ice free”.
RyanS gets yellow card for mis-quoting and/or attempting to put words in winchester’s mouth (BTW this is a very common debating tactic of SJWs and n’er do wells).
Overturned, quote is accurate. Javert Chip sin-binned for professional foul.
Actually Pablo Saad, the Argentine skipper was not trying to prove the Arctic ice free. But he attempted the trip because since 10-12 years global warming made the route possible without an ice breaker.
Source:
https://realidadsm.com.ar/2018/08/04/un-sanmartinense-de-paso-por-groenlandia-primera-parte/
“Desde hace unos 10 a 12 años, a causa del calentamiento global, esa ruta se ha vuelto transitable por un período de tiempo sin necesidad de hacerla con rompehielos. “
Clicked on to the article, maybe in Danish.
Third line under the picture:
“gesunken”
As the Brits would say:
“Pity”
You’ve got that sinking feeling,
Woh, that sinking feeling.
You’ve got that sinking feeling,
Now you’re gone, gone, gone,
Woh.
Looks like German to me.
And as the Americans say, “tough sh!t.”
https://www.yacht.de/aktuell/panorama/drama-in-der-nordwestpassage/a118316.html
Gestern Nacht ist die unter französischer Flagge segelnde Yacht „Anahita“, eine Ovni 345, nördlich der Küste Kanadas in der Nordwestpassage gesunken. Das Unglück ereignete sich in der Depot Bay, östlich der Bellot Strait. Nach ersten Informationen ist das Schiff zuvor von Treibeis eingeschlossen worden, aus dem es die Crew nicht mehr befreien konnte.
Google translate:
Yesterday night, the French-flagged yacht “Anahita”, an Ovni 345, sank north of the coast of Canada in the Northwest Passage. The disaster occurred in the Depot Bay, east of the Bellot Strait. According to initial information, the ship has been trapped by drift ice from which it could no longer free the crew.
Comment:
I wonder if they rented the yacht – or borrowed it.
Blame them?
Or blame the propaganda brainwash machine that said do it?
We will see lots of this in the coming decades as the kiddies who’ve grown up in climate brainwashing believe the nonsense they’ve been taught about climate change.
Climate change belief – Not much different than a cult mindset.
NO different from a cult mindset. It is a cult!
Yes. Heavens Gate without the intentional suicide.
Cults tend to be populated by a tiny, perecuted minority don’t they? (hint, hint)
No. Cults tend to be populated by people who latch onto an idea and then build an entire (pseudo-)religious belief system round it regardless of any evidence that might cast the slightest doubt on it.
Typically they refuse to consider any views which cast any doubt on their gospel; they consider anyone who deviates one iota from that gospel as mortal enemies.
They do not require what the outside world would consider as “proof” or “evidence” for their beliefs and ride roughshod over any attempts to enlighten them. They will distort facts, hide evident truths, and rely on certain simple mantras to keep the cult members in line.
A common thread in cults is anger at all who disagree and a belief that the only way to salvation is for believers, and outsiders where possible, to give the cult leaders large amounts of money. A recgonised characteristic of most cults is that the leaders will be preaching a lifestyle which they personally have no intention of following.
Yeah…tiny, blinkered minorities, threatened world view and a generous dose of conpiratorial ideation – your definition sounds a bit like christianity to me.
Christianity is a tiny minority?
Regardless, when it comes to being blinkered, nobody beats your ability to ignore the obvious.
So now climate SJWs are going after people’s religion?
Once again, Ryan is demonstrating his need to feel persecuted.
Once again Mark the bot spams me.
Content-free jabs beget content-free jabs. Post some real opinions and you’ll get some real feedback. And stop behaving like you don’t have a New Zealand cow.
NZ CoW, Non-Zero Chance of Wrong
Pot noting color of kettle?
If we are a tiny minority, then why are we blogging on the world’s most visited climate website? You appear to be in the minority, but just slightly, based on Trump’s election results.
Mother Nature is a hard taskmaster.
Stan Rogers – Northwest Passage
Ah, for just one time I would take the Northwest Passage To find the hand of Franklin reaching for the Beaufort Sea; Tracing one warm line through a land so wild and savage And make a Northwest Passage to the sea. Westward from the Davis Strait ’tis there ’twas said to lie The sea route to the Orient for which so many died; Seeking gold and glory, leaving weathered, broken bones And a long-forgotten lonely cairn of stones.
Three centuries thereafter, I take passage overland In the footsteps of brave Kelso, where his “sea of flowers” began Watching cities rise before me, then behind me sink again This tardiest explorer, driving hard across the plain.
And through the night, behind the wheel, the mileage clicking west I think upon Mackenzie, David Thompson and the rest who cracked the mountain ramparts and did show a path for me to race the roaring Fraser to the sea.
How then am I so different from the first men through this way? Like them, I left a settled life, I threw it all away. To seek a Northwest Passage at the call of many men To find there but the road back home again.
Hi Joel – kind of like the Children’s ‘Crusade? Same ending anyway…
The Children’s Crusade was a disastrous popular crusade by European Christians to regain the Holy Land from the Muslims, said to have taken place in 1212. The crusaders left areas of Northern France, led by Stephen of Cloyes, and Germany, led by Nicholas. The traditional narrative is likely conflated from some factual and mythical events which include the visions by a French boy and a German boy, an intention to peacefully convert Muslims in the Holy Land to Christianity, bands of children marching to Italy, and children being sold into slavery. Many children were tricked by merchants and sailed over to what they thought were the holy lands but, in reality, were slave markets.
– wiki
The captain may have believed the propaganda about an ice free arctic in 2018.
I read the english version of the story and I see nothing to support that statement. In fact according to the story, there were other boats in the area, some of which hung around to see if they could help rather than flee the area even though they knew they were in danger from fast closing ice, and the fact that the passage was unlikely to be open enough to sail through all the way was well known, and they were following another boat that in fact did not get trapped in the ice.
That boats are getting trapped in the ice in the arctic and that the NW Passage is obviously closed despite all the hysteria about the arctic screaming is story enough unto itself. No need to muddy it with unfounded conjecture. If there’s evidence that they indeed thought this to be true, please post it along with the story.
David,
Whether you realize it or not,
You’ve just described classic GroupThink.
Groupthink is a psychological phenomenon that occurs within a group of people in which the desire for harmony or conformity in the group results in an irrational or dysfunctional decision-making outcome. See more at Wikipedia.
paraphrase, groupthink is when everyone assumes someone else is thinking so no one does?
“If there’s evidence that they indeed thought this to be true, please post it along with the story.”
Evidence? Lol, thats not how we roll here David. No, here its make stuff up, then claim its because of stuff thats been made up. Combined that with the unceptical groupthink of an echo-chamber and we all go away thinking “oh, another ship of fools, fooled by propaganda…”
so they just like sailing in ice filled waters for fun ?
It’s conjecture. Hence the word “may”. You do understand what “may” means?
It is a fact that various experts have told us the Arctic will be ice-free. It is a fact that various ships and boats have set out to prove that. It is a fact that various commentators have made claims thus summer about Hugh temperatures in the Arctic and melting ice. It is a fact that large numbers of people believe what they have been told about Arctic in central.
So how is the word “may” so unacceptable to you?
It’s a word that many “scientists”,”science writers”, and climate scammers like Al Gore specialize in using, along with: could, possibly, might, etc…
Thats a “weasel word” when climate scientists use it.
“It is a fact that various experts have told us the Arctic will be ice-free.”
Uh huh, but thats not conjecture – thats a lie, right?
“Prove the Arctic is ice-free”? Um, no.
“various commentators have made claims”
Like who?
“It is a fact that large numbers of people…”
“Large numbers”
Doesn’t sound like a fact to me.
The ‘central’ suggestion is that they are fools for believing propaganda. In other words baseless opinion masquerading as factual news.
According to UK Wet Office scientists, the Arctic should have been ice-free 4 years ago, still waiting! However, geological evidence from the Arctic Ocean sea-bed strongly suggests that the Arctic has been ice-free many times in the past, & that Earth has existed in ice-free states many times in the paleogeological past!
According to UK Wet Office scientists, the Arctic should have been ice-free 4 years agos.
Ah bullsh**, prove it.
https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1454&dat=20071212&id=E8tOAAAAIBAJ&sjid=9R8EAAAAIBAJ&pg=3919,3618027&hl=en
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7139797.stm
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2009/12/gore-new-study-sees-nearly-ice-free-arctic-summer-ice-cap-as-early-as-2014/1#.Vx-LUTArJPb
https://www.ft.com/content/4084c8ee-fa36-11e2-98e0-00144feabdc0
Well, the Met Office use Peter Wadhams as their scientific reference for this page on their site, and we all know how hopelessly wrong Wadhams has been. He’s a figure of fun.
https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/research/climate/cryosphere-oceans/sea-ice/overview
Here they predict ice free by 2025. Let’s wait and see, eh?
https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/research/news/2012/sea-ice-2012
Stop it. You guys just treat facts optional.
“Current climate models indicate that a plausible date for the earliest ice free* summer in the Arctic is 2025-2030”
Present Ryan with facts proving your point and his response is to, once again, move the goal posts.
RyanS
There are plenty of evidence of warmists predicting ice free summer in the Arctic, here are a few of them from their own websites and newspapers quoting them:
Ice-Free Arctic Forecasts
https://realclimatescience.com/ice-free-arctic-forecasts/
Enjoy!
Can’t read Sunsettommy?
Here let me spell it out for you in baby language.
The UK Met Office scientists never said the Arctic should have been ice-free 4 years ago. If you think they did then prove it.
In Ryan’s world, only the most recent pronouncement matters.
All the ones that went before are non-operative and in fact don’t actually exist.
Ah bullsh**, prove it. 2014 was the quote made, a few years earlier! No, you disprove it, it was quoted on their website then removed. The Wet Office then claimed it wasn’t an official comment but a mere personal quote from one of their scientists off-record, thing is, they left the comment up there for some time before removing it because ofthe embarrassment it caused!
I don’t see any “should” from the UK Met office.
Bs as I suspected – surprise surprise.
And the rest are “mights” and “coulds” and “maybe”.
Groupthink much?
“Groupthink much?”
Well, you should know ALL about that one!
>>>“It is a fact that various experts have told us the Arctic will be ice-free.”
Uh huh, but thats not conjecture – thats a lie, right?<<<
Griff, do you understand how to use the English language? That statement is neither conjecture nor lie, it is a fact.
It is referring to a STATEMENT, not a conjecture, made by a number of self appointed experts. " …will be.." Is definitive.
Love to see that you're still with us, you don't need to keep changing your name though, I don't think Anthony will ban you no matter how many stupid posts you make.
Warmest,
Cube
I’m not Griff, sorry to disappoint you.
Btw a statement and a conjecture are not mutually exclusive.
” …will be..” Got the rest of that quote from the UK Met?
You both make a right pair.
Ok, I’ll but RyanS is nor Griff. after reading this scintillating thread, it’s obvious Griff was a deeper thinker (this is really thin, but accurate, praise.
Griff did a better job of handling the conversational back-and-forth, which meant some of his stuff actually got read.
If you’re going to be a pain-in-the -ass, at least pretend to be erudite; Griff seldom came across as defensive.
Each statement made above is true. The ONLY reason that several other (small) boats were up there with the sunk boat was for “ice-free Arctic” tourism and propaganda. The event was eco-tourism at its very worst: Sinking a ship filled with diesel fuel and oils and chemicals to protest “catastrophic” global warming by sailing up north into glacier-cold rock-bound inlets and slots to score publicity points to “prove” that fossil fuels cause global warming which is melting the sea ice.
That hundreds more tons of fossil fuels were needlessly burnt to rescue these people, that many tens of thousands of dollars were wasted in the attempt is even worse – more examples of their hypocrisy and self-centered denial of the real world. Their “pristine” wilderness has now claimed two more ships.
And the entire “Arctic death spiral” of their propaganda is based on temperate climates and false assumptions: 2018 Arctic sea ice extents are now higher than most of the previous 12 years, and August 2018 Arctic sea ice extents are re-freezing just like they usually do we approach the mid-Sept minimum.
In Ryan’s world, the fact that they have made a new prediction proves that none of the previous predictions happened.
Prove it by getting crushed by ice and sinking?
Seems like a pretty stupid way of proving it to me.
I dunno: seems like were sending the right kind of people to test this theory.
Phoenix44 said:
“It is a fact that various experts have told us the Arctic will be ice-free. It is a fact that various ships and boats have set out to prove that. It is a fact that various commentators have made claims thus summer about Hugh temperatures in the Arctic and melting ice. It is a fact that large numbers of people believe what they have been told about Arctic in central. ”
This makes no sense. There is no argument about whether or not there is ice. You can just look at the satellite images.
Do you honestly think that people are sailing up there thinking “There won’t be any ice, and I can prove it by sailing to the north pole.” ??
I don’t know what “people” think, Philip, and neither do you. All I know is that there has been enough scaremongering propaganda in the last two decades about how the world is doomed because the Arctic ice is melting (that’s the “Janet and John” version simplified for the benefit of the hard of thinking) to make some people, desperate for their 15 minutes of fame to take totally unsuitable craft into Arctic waters where they rapidly — and so far not too late but it’s probably only a matter of time — discover that the propaganda is bullsh1t.
This is just one more example.
It is a never ending stream and they wonder why so few listen and now days so many ignore their never ending messages of doom and disaster to come?
I don’t know what their motivation was. I do know though that there is a fine line between hardcore and stupid. I won’t hold their crossing that line against them though because I’ve crossed it a few times as has about anyone that drives hard to meet or obtain an objective. That does not mean however that they should not be financially responsible or without ridicule for their mistake.
I would sugest that these “people” did not go to see an ice-free Arctic Ocean, but more likely to see for themselves the much diminished levels of ice claimed to exist, much like Sir Joseph Banks, of the Royal Society, reported to the Lords of the Admiralty in a letter written in 1817! It’s happened before folks! He used terms like “the ice is much abated”, & “new source of warmth”, etc!
I don’t think Ryan has a good grasp of the English language, at least at times!
As a bot, it’s only as good as its Chinese programmers?
🙂
I thought the bots were supposed to be Russian in origin 😉
I seem to recall “him” asking 你会说中文吗？
You “recall” correctly Rich, but I don’t recall why I cut and paste that in now and I can’t be bothered tracing back for the context, could you do it for me?
Cmon RyanBot, feigning a bad disk sector, are we? We all know that your cloud storage is redundant and fault tolerant, so you know full well what I’m talking about.
All I recall is that your drive-by contribution of the day was to ask that. (“can you speak Chinese?”)
I recall now, it was about a predicted mass exodus of Chinese due drought. I’m thrilled to know someone actually went to the trouble of finding out what it meant. I thought it was quite clever of me.
May as in Mayday!
Did they have time to signal? Virtue signaling just does’nt cut it.
Ryan, thanks for projecting.
Mmm, don’t get it. Anything to get?
Hi Griff
You must have a little hard spot for him?
A sunken boat and rescued crew are not speculative.
And until someone puts in print or video the interview with the Boat’s Captain, we will not ever know the answer to… “What were you thinking….”
The evidence you seek is in the plain and simple fact *they were there, in the Arctic, in their small yacht, trying to make the passage.*
What unmitigated stupidity! This bears the same risks as camping down wind of a raging forest fire.
The captain should be charged with reckless endangerment of human life, specifically for pointlessly endangering all of the individuals involved in rescuing these 11 meter morons.
Raging forest fire? Down wind? No camping. Right, got it.
You’ve obviously spent many years sailing in the Arctic. Care to share some more of your maritime wisdom?
Care to make an actual statement instead of tossing (dud) grenades?
Meaningless drivel like that gets the contempt it deserves.
Then why do you say it?
You camp down wind of a raging forest fire?
“Meaningless drivel like that gets the contempt it deserves.”
The irony, it burns.
That’s what he is paid to do.
His paymaster should demand a refund, they’re not getting their money’s worth.
You don’t need to have been stood next to an erupting volcano yourself to know that it’s a stupid thing to do. Likewise, J Mac is merely using common sense to say the captain’s actions are reckless.
You state the obvious but miss my point. I’d bet J Mac has no idea of the full circumstances. He, like so many others here are reacting just like Pavlov’s dog.
Just what material facts are we missing:
1) True believers sail “ice free” arctic passage
2) Ice happens
3) Boat sinks
4) Expensive Canadian Coast Guard rescue
RyanS,
Diverting from topic? Ad hom attacks? Fallacious argumentation? Contributes nothing to the discussion? Right. Got it.
Now we know what the “S” stands for: You are a Sophist.
Care to share some more of your flaccid pseudo wisdom?
“Ship of fools”
Ice in the Canadian Arctic has only diminished marginally over the past twenty years, with lots of ups and downs from year to year. The Canadian Ice Service website has plenty of graphs showing this. The overall decrease in Arctic ice, as visible in the WUWT reference pages, has been mainly caused by the Gulf Stream pushing farther and farther northeast of Scandinavia and Russia, not by changes north of North America. Yes, there does seem to be a trend toward a closed NW Passage – we’ll see what the coming years will bring.
Take your pick from ”settled science”. Here is a paper that says that the Arctic Archipelago is about to become ice-free, ´cause the Climate Models say so:
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/07055900.2014.942592
And here is a paper that compares nineteenth century explorer’s logs with current ice conditions and finds that nothing much has happened at all:
https://ams.confex.com/ams/pdfpapers/61419.pdf
Or you might take a middle route. Here is another paper that suggests that a warmer climate would actually make ice conditions worse by causing the very thick and stable multi-year ice in the Sverdrup basin to occasionally break up and drift south:
https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/2001JC001102
The last is probably the most PC, since it upholds the principle that all effects of climate change are necessarily bad.
This is the type of yacht, I’m not a sailor, but to my eye it looks a bit small to be going through there. http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=4388
Thanks for the info. The issue is not so much the size, but rather that it is an aluminum boat. As a child I regularly lived on a small island in Denmark. The island is 15 nautical miles from the nearest mainland. In the winter, the small modified fishing boat we used to get out there, had thick steel plates mounted to the otherwise strong oak-hull. Even thin layers of ice would otherwise cut through the wood, in the same way it would cut through aluminum and glass fiber.
Carl, Agree with your comments completely.
Many years ago my father purchased an Aluminum/Magnesium canoe, for hunting trips. The Al/Mg alloy was supposed to be stronger and lighter, and it was not at all as flexible as any aluminum of the same thickness I worked with. One late october night we got a hard freeze while the canoe was half in the water. It was still half loaded with supplies. Light enough to carry but, it was heavy enough the the ice did not push the canoe up out of the forming ice and pushed through the side. Thank goodness for Duct-Tape.
giving them the benefit of the doubt, issue was likely that they were under-powered for the conditions they were encountered.
reality is likely that, regardless of power/maneuverability, the operators stupidly put themselves into a position that no boat could have escaped from. (and only people like yours (and Nansen), would have kept the boat from being destroyed).
but bigger than the kayaks that normally attempt this escapade
Kayaks can be drawn up on land (or an ice floe) in a pinch. A yacht can’t. And yes, aluminium is not good for ice-press. Until reliable high-tensile steel became available wood was the preferred material for arctic vessels, since it resisted ice-press best. Preferably Oak with an “ice-skin” of greenheart to protect from the cutting action of new ice.
That is how the Fram was built. The most successful arctic exploration ship ever, and still in excellent shape in a museum in Oslo.
Another actic exploration ship, the Maud, has been salvaged from the icy waters of the treacherous North West Passage, and is now back home in Norway.
http://www.maudreturnshome.no/uncategorized/maud-returns-home-hometrip/
Frank, thanks for the info. We’ll be in Oslo Sunday and Monday so will be sure to go see them.
Good news! The Maud’s temperature data across the Arctic is still used today as a reference for the climate up there.
They were lucky that they managed to tow her as far as Greenland last summer. This year they most likely wouldn’t have gotten further than Gjoa Harbor or Talyoak.
A small and shallow-draft vessel is not necessarily a bad thing in the NW Passage. Amundsens Gjöa (the first to go through) was 70 foot and 45 tons, the second to go through (though almost always overlooked) Aklavik, was 60 foot and also 45 tons, the third (and fourth), St Roch was 104 foot and 320 tons.
Though they were all of course vastly more robust than a modern sailing yacht.
As a jolly sea-salt ofmodest experience on sail & power craft, yes it does look a tad small for the task, I would prefer something a little longer, say 50 foot, & a bit more displacement than 5 tonnes!
There’s an almost complete list of ships/boats that have successfully negotiated the Northwest Passage at https://www.spri.cam.ac.uk/resources/infosheets/northwestpassage.pdf (902kB) Curiously, it omits a few craft that traversed both the Northern Sea Route and the Northwest Passage without passing through the Bering Strait. Some of the boats are pretty small.
Is there an almost complete list of ships that were unsuccessful in negotiating the Northwest Passage?
No engine listed, an auxiliary generator set is implied. If truly a sail-only yacht, they are even more “fuelish” to go through these straits in the Arctic without backup propulsion. Worse even than crossing the Donner Pass in October in a wagon train. (But RyanS will not understand that analogy either, if he does not understand the earliere “camping downwind of a forest fire” analogy.
By the way, more than half of their displacement is a 2600 kg of (lead weight) ballast.
An Ovini 345 seems a bit skimpy to be put up against arctic ice. But what do I know. Seems comparable to hiking a 14teener in flip flops. It’s been done, but not by a sane person.
11 meter boat? Whoa, someone ate a good $500,000 on that one.
Auxiliary engine and tens of thousands of gallons of diesel fuel ?
Or were they going to try and “Fram” it through the winter if the winds went the wrong way?
theres a thought fuel etc will pollute the pristine….area
will they also get penalised for that?
if it was any commercial ship/boat i bet it would be
So, on the 18th August, the Canadian Coast Guard issue this warning:
[“Good morning, Due to heavier than normal ice concentrations in the Canadian arctic waters north of 70 degrees, the Canadian Coast Guard, recommends that pleasure craft do not navigate in the Beaufort Sea, Barrow, Peel Sound, Franklin Strait and Prince Regent. CCG icebreakers cannot safely escort pleasure craft. Operators of pleasure craft considering a northwest passage should also consider the risk of having to winter in a safe haven in the Arctic, or in the case of an emergency, be evacuated from beset vessels. Safety of mariners is our primary concern. REGARDS, NORDREG CANADA 181256UTC\LR”]
And, eleven days later, these jokers get rescued from a sinking pleasure craft 8 kilometres away from Franklin Strait.
Beyond stupid and beyond reckless.
8 km from Franklin Strait perhaps, but actually in Prince Regent Inlet from which they had expressly been warned away.
In response to this message from the CCG, the family in the Dogbark, North of Alaska, turned around and sailed to Nome over a few day’s time.
Cute name for a craft.
See update below.
And now, Dogbark is on the move again. The large low pressure system has abated, and the winds more favorable. They are headed straight SSW, now about the same latitude as Emmonak, AK. Weather for the next days should be fine for the trip, and even giving them a tailwind as they get South toward the Fox Islands, their destination.
At 20:56 GMT, the Dogbark was at about 57.19 N by 167 W, making 8.1 knots on a course of 172 degrees true. Winds at 12 off the starboard beam, ~ 4 O’clock by that reckoning. Temp 48F. Overcast skies.
They are now 3/4 of the way from Nome to their destination.
And the Dogbark arrives in Dutch Harbor, Unalaska, AK, at 14:09 local time. (GMT-8). Home.
The track of their entire journey shown at
http://forecast.predictwind.com/tracking/display/Dogbark
Were they passed by Pen Hadow swimming his way to the North Pole?
The Venta Maersk is an ice strengthened container ship that left Busan, South Korea on 28th August& is headed to Bremerhaven, via the Northern Sea Route. It’s now east of Japan & can be followed at https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/shipid:5568438/zoom:10
Hardly sensational since this happens to be the 85th consecutive year with freight traffic through the Northern Sea Route (though always with icebreaker support, and only in autumn of course).
There was a radio article on this at NPR earlier this week. Other than the obligatory reference to Global Warming in the title for the website version the story was a fairly pragmatic discussion of the issues and economics of the route for general container cargo. Most of the traffic through the NSR is still destined for ports in the region.
https://www.npr.org/2018/08/22/640679831/worlds-largest-shipping-company-heads-into-arctic-as-global-warming-opens-the-wa
The Bellot Strait is a dangerous place. Narrow and with very strong currents (up to 7 knots). Going into it without being sure that the other end is ice-free is extremely foolhardy. The west end is heavily iced at present.
As a matter of fact it was therefore very rarely used before the Satellite Era. Aklavik first went through twice in 1937 (but at that time Fort Ross was inhabited, so they were aware of conditions at the east end). Likewise for St Roch which went through in 1942, though Larsen describes the passage as very hazardous.
The usual NW passage route was instead through Peel Strait, which is however impassable most years (including this one). The possibility of using Bellot is probably the main reason that the NW Passage has supposedly become “easier” in recent years.
Anthony said:
“Arctic ice claims another ship”
You still don’t know that ice was responsible for the first grounding. Ships run aground frequently without ice or weather being responsible.
If the highway is blocked, and I have to take a detour, and crash my car because I was looking at my phone and not paying attention to the road, do I get to blame the detour or the incident that caused it?
A little background info: For any skipper worth his or her salt, to run aground is the most humiliating & embarrassing event that can happen! Hence under the terms of the International Regulations for the Prevention of Collision at Sea (IRPCS), the term “a complete balls up” is referred to, meaning the number of black balls c2ft dia, (3 No) being hoisted into the rigging!
Depends on where you are. In Swedish coastal waters running aground is only considered mildly embarrassing. If You wonder why check this:
https://www.google.com/maps/@58.3554073,16.9668015,7000m/data=!3m1!1e3
This is a typical Swedish skärgård and incidentally has a much-used north-south sailing route running through it (try to guess where).
This kind of topography is common in ice-scoured precambrian landscapes (like Canada), so if you deviate from the (hopefully) surveyed route, don’t be surprised if you find an uncharted rock.
See what you mean, thanks!
I just looked up the fuel capacity of four 43ft sailboats 610g, 450g, 370g, and 312g. Say they were half full, I wounder what an oil company would be fined for spilling 150 to 300 gal in to the arctic ocean?
Oil spills are to be reported in cubic centimeters, to make the volume sound scarier.
idiots.
hope the coastguard give them a bill
Maybe they thought Orcasio-Cortez had banned ice?
It probably was angry ice. Was it still screaming?
Ryan,
Have you got much to say about this rubbish prediction of ice free arctic in 2012?
Nah, thought not. It’s too embarrassing for you. Ho ho!
One idiot mouthy scientist (assume you mean Wadham ) does not represent the science. Just like one mouthy idiot contrarian does not represent true skeptics.
This is the IPCC projections of Arctic sea-ice decline, which has not been pessimistic enough…
What happened to the mythical 97% agreement?
They musta mythed it.
How much has the “observed” been “guided” by the “prediction”?
Anthony,
Why is the absolutely meaningless trend line included … “trend ice free in 2200”. Anybody that thinks the trend line to 2200 is worth anything but misinformation would also believe that the trend line extending to 2400 means that there will be negative ice.
And what’s with including the exponential fit. It’s only included as bait for idiots such as Griff & Ryan to fantasize about.
Wadham (one idiot mouthy contrarian), nor the figure “IPCC projections of Arctic sea-ice decline” (or the people that created it) represent “the science”, or any reasonable science. What is represented is self centered hype.
People like Griff & Ryan & Chris (and you?) eat this stuff up … and in the long run it is bad for them. Why the hell do you think the IPCC should be, in any way, pessimistic (or for that matter, optimistic)?
(hey, maybe they were just overly optimistic rather than too pessimistic. those darn quirky scientists….)
Still don’t know why we’re worried about arctic sea ice.
The Arctic is still screaming. Because Greenland just set a new August record for Snowfall, 7.5 billion tons:
That happens when you believe the 97%
Yet more victims of the climate obsession induced stupudity.
Here is where it happened, just east of Fort Ross
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And the ice in Franklin Strait to the west is nor going away, incresing if anything.
Good maps. Thank you!
http://www.maudreturnshome.no/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/ice-map.jpg
This is the twisting route the Maud’s tugboat had to take to get out and around the “ice-filled” narrow waters on her route back to Norway from this area in 2017-2018. That website includes many other photo’s of the nasty sea ice and treacherous shores in this entire region. I admire the courage of those who did it 200 years ago in true sailing ships.
As an information, according to nineteenth century arctic explorers and whalers (who should know) a vessel under sail is unable to penetrate waters with more than 20% floe ice, or more than about half an inch of new ice.
This means colorless, light blue and (perhaps) green areas on the map.
Too fracking funny!
August 2018, 11-m yacht, Anahita sunk by ice on trip from Greenland through the Canadian Arctic Archipelago…
http://arcticnorthwestpassage.blogspot.com/2018/08/canadian-coast-guard-takes-11-hours-to.html
July 1981, 35-ft yacht, Anahita successfully travel from Harve St. Pierre to Disko Bay Greenland…
https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1946&dat=19810707&id=sQgvAAAAIBAJ&sjid=vqQFAAAAIBAJ&pg=997,2516130
11 m = 36 ft… Same yacht??? If so, Arctic sea ice is worse than previously thought… LOL!
“Both men have since been taken in by other nearby yachts who responded to the “Mayday””
Oh its a pity they didn’t sink too, that would have been f*cking hilarious.
I think the word you were looking for is “tragic.”
Ryan,
Had they been eaten by bears before they were rescued, you could have tried to spin it as:
“bears resort to eating humans … lack of traditional sustenance was unavailable because of global warming”.
Since they only got stuck in the ice (that isn’t there because of global warming), you are stuck with sarcastic indignation. (you should just let this article go … move onto something else.)
So it’s all “too fracking funny”?
And the arcticnorthwestpassage blog continues with another account and this update to it:
Henry Larsen crossed the Northwest Passage in 1944 (7,295 miles in one season). Now smaller sailboat cannot cross the Northwest Passage so much for the ice-free Arctic sea
Larsen was both lucky and an extremely experienced arctic navigator. 1944 was a very good ice year. The McClure Strait is very rarely navigable.
1944 was a very good ice year.
Not according to Larsen.
“The three seasons of the short Arctic Summers from 1940-42 had been extremely bad for navigation, the worst consecutive three I had experienced as far as ice and weather conditions were concerned, and in my remaining years in the Arctic I never saw their like. Without hesitation I would say that most ships encountering the conditions we faced would have failed. I also believe that had we missed the single opportunity we had to get out of Pasley Bay, we most certainly would still be there, in small bits and pieces.” (my emphasis)
In 1944 the second trip (East to West) started at Halifax, N.S. on July 22 and ended at Vancouver, B.C. on Oct 16 1944.
They sailed a more Northerly route this time and they encountered a lot of broken but tightly-packed ice. From the beginning of August, they experienced heavy ice – and made slow progress, and even drifted in the ice-pack at one stage. At the end of August they encountered lots of heavy, tightly-packed floes and couldn’t land due to the ice conditions. The heaviest ice of the voyage was at the entrance to McClure Strait, where they anchored to the ice floes, and the conditions didn’t change until early September, Larsen said : “It was really the only fine day we had during the entire passage…”. Subsequently, the bad weather and tight packed ice-fields returned. Such that the strong winds almost capsized the boat before they were able to find shelter. In fact, according to Larsen the “…season was the worst in years.”
What he describes are good ice conditions for the McClure Strait. Most years it is utterly impassable:
http://iceweb1.cis.ec.gc.ca/30Atlas/page1.xhtml?region=WA&lang=en
I guess they just don’t make sail boats like they used to.
yes, more of my tax dollars rescuing idiots
Except of course the ‘Ship of Fools’ post was incorrect, the ship actually ran aground in open water! Here it is with the coastguard helicopter in the background.
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https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1034786824202399744/0HcWR7A2?format=jpg&name=600×314
Which part was incorrect ?
The ship part, the of part, or the fools part ?
The highlighted part:
Another “Ship of Fools” gets grounded in Arctic ice,
Despite having the error pointed out by several posters it was reposted here as if it were true! Talk about propaganda.
The original “Ship of Fools” ship in WUWT lore was trapped in sea ice well off the coast of Antarctica. It managed to get free after a shift in the winds.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/12/26/so-much-ice-in-antarctica-that-a-research-vessel-gets-stuck-in-summer/
The photo you linked to doesn’t appear to show a grounded ship.
This BBC article from 26 December 2013 shows the Akademik Shokalskiy stuck in ice. It even shows a helicopter, presumably Chinese.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-25519059
Well appearances can be deceptive, that photo was taken by the passengers leaving the ship. It’s possible that the ship may have been refloated by then but one thing’s certain there’s no ice! It’s also settled deeper in the water than earlier. Here’s the passengers leaving the ship:
Where, are they gonna go in those little overloaded boats ?
How far to habitation ?
To the sister ship which transported them to Kugaarok.
Here is a comment from your source which you graciously did not link to:
Katie Jane Saunders • 2 days ago
Thanks for this account of the grounding of the Ioffe. I was on the ship from August 3 to 14, and we too were beset by itinerary changes and we’re unable to fly out of Resolute as scheduled. You’ve confirmed my thoughts as to why the ship ran aground. Because the well worn pathways and known destinations were choked with ice, the company chose to venture into poorly charted waters in order to fulfil commitments to its paying guests. Those of us who choose to travel in the Arctic need to be prepared to have trips cancelled, and tour companies need to be willing to cancel trips when the conditions require it. Perhaps the bottom line dictates that Arctic cruising is neither profitable nor prudent.
https://e360.yale.edu/features/in-the-melting-arctic-harrowing-account-from-a-stranded-ship
Ah, that explains things. I was wondering whatever they were doing down Prince Regent Inlet. Bellot Strait was inpassable, so they tried to improvise. Always risky in the Arctic.
They were heading towards Bellott Strait but they left from Kugaarok instead of Resolute because the passage from Resolute was ice bound. They were in open water but managed to run aground.
The Northwest Passage, the final link of which was discovered by John Rae circa 1854, was navigated several times in the 1940’s, when it was clearly WARMER THAN TODAY.
Here is the story:
Regards, Allan
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/02/26/warm-spike-in-arctic-drives-alarmists-into-alarm-mode-but-theres-no-reason-for-alarm/#comment-2292832
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/02/26/warm-spike-in-arctic-drives-alarmists-into-alarm-mode-but-theres-no-reason-for-alarm/comment-page-1/#comment-2752855 (old server)
A small wooden ship, the St. Roch, sailed through the Northwest Passage and across the high Canadian Arctic twice, in 1942 and 1944. Try doing that in a small wooden ship today.
These voyages followed soon after the global warming period that ended circa 1940. What was the ice extent and thickness then? Probably less than, or no greater than today.
https://www.vancouvermaritimemuseum.com/permanent-exhibit/st-roch-national-historic-site
THE ST. ROCH – A TRUE CANADIAN ADVENTURE.
Built in British Columbia, named after a parish in Quebec, captained by a Norwegian immigrant, crewed by farm boys from across the country, and helped by the Inuit, the St. Roch was the first vessel to sail the Northwest Passage from west to east (1940-1942), the first to complete the passage in one season (1944), and the first to circumnavigate North America.
One of the only ships in service in the Arctic in the early part of the 20th century, the St. Roch is made of an unusual design of thick Douglas Fir planks reinforced with heavy beams to withstand the ice pressure and an outer shell made of some of the hardest wood in the world, Australian Eucalyptus ‘iron bark’.
Between 1928 and 1954, St. Roch logged tens of thousands of miles crossing and re-crossing the Arctic, acting as a floating detachment of the RCMP in the North. At various times a supply ship, a patrol vessel and a transport, the St. Roch was the only link between the various scattered northern communities. Yet it had not yet accomplished the feat for which it would become famous. For many years, it had been the dream of Captain Henry Larsen to cross the Northwest Passage, just as Amundsen had done for the first time in the Goja in 1903. But time and time again, the dream had to remain a dream.
Finally, with the outbreak of the Second World War and the Nazi invasion of Denmark (Greenland), the opportunity presented itself. Launched on its famous voyage on a secret mission to cross the Arctic during the war, this amazing vessel traveled through treacherous and uncharted waters to cross the Northwest Passage and the High Arctic, with only a small crew of steadfast men who had just their skill, talent and no small amount of luck to rely on. Incredibly, they managed to make the crossing not just once, but twice, and in only 86 days the second time!
Don’t forget the Aklavik which went from Cambridge Bay to Fort Ross – and back – in 1937:
https://arctic.journalhosting.ucalgary.ca/arctic/index.php/arctic/article/view/1708/1687
This is the definition of insanity.
The waters west of the Beloit Strait have been choked with thick ice all summer. If they had gotten through the Strait, they would have been blocked by ice tough even for an icebreaker. And the ice is reforming behind them to the east – what were these people thinking? Luck to be alive.
When will the brain-dead warmestes come clean and cop to the scam or will it take horrible deaths to convince them to stop the lies?
Ever heard of Pavlov’s dog?
Ever heard of Pavlov’s dog?
Yes, Ralph must’ve rung your bell.
Which one? I understand that he had six. An earlier comment by you also referred to his dogs in singular.
Pavlov’s dogs were named Boy, Druzhok, Zolotisty, Sultan, Tygan, and Zhuchka. Pavlov was a Russian physiologist best-known for his work in classical conditioning.
Here’s the one that was musically inclined. Just about to start a reunion tour.
You are certainly exhibiting a pavlovian response every time you post in this thread RyanS. Since you are asking about Pavlov’s Dog(s), I’m guessing that means you recognize this about yourself. That’s good. The first step to fixing a problem is recognizing the problem 🙂
When reading about these ship-o-fools, I keep getting that sinking feeling…..
RyanS has taken issue with some of the comments on this story but I would say the snark is well deserved. When you read some of the personal stories provided by those sailing the Northwest Passage, their point of view is openly espoused. CAGW is changing the climate and changing the world and they claim that warming of the earth is what enables them to sail a boat through Arctic waters even if it is only a faux sort of sailing, behind an icebreaker that clears a path.
http://arcticnorthwestpassage.blogspot.com/
More threads on prior passage attempts can be found by using wuwt’s search box for “northwest passage”, or by clicking https://wattsupwiththat.com/page/2/?s=northwest+passage
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Saw you first ship sink and drown
From rockin’ of the boat
And all that could not sink or swim
Was just left there to float
I won’t leave you drifting down
But, whoa, it makes me wild
With thirty years upon my head
To have you call me childShip of fools
On a cruel sea
Ship of fools
Sail away from meIt was later than I thought
When I first believed you
Now I cannot share your laughter
Ship of fools
A fool and his yacht are soon parted.
So true! No ice required…
“‘No injuries to the passengers have been reported”
As they say, the reason why idiots exist and breed so much is that stupidity isn’t always painful.
The sensible thing to do for hopeful NW Passage voyagers is to wait in Pond Inlet or some other safe harbor for another week or so. If there is an easterly gale during that time the Franklin Strait may open up.
After that it is probably too late even if it opens up. There is unusually much ice in the Beaufort Sea as well, and there will probably not be enough time to reach Bering Strait before the freeze-up.
You know, the thick ice is not going away, here is today’s chart. They need green spaces to get through.
Based on the colorkey, white or blue spaces. Green is 1/10-3/10, which would be pretty “d’icy”
Thank you Gaia, sweet goddess of reality.
I hope they weren’t set adrift without sunscreen to protect them from the relentless Arctic sun.
The container ship Venta Maersk is planning a sailing of the Northeast passage.
https://goo.gl/images/VmuV3f
She is still off north Japan as of today (Sept 1).
Arctic sea ice loss is levelling off, may already be near to minimum.
FWIW I predict she won’t make it.
She will. The Northeast Passage is always practicable (with icebreaker assistance) this time of year. It has been used every year since 1933.
The Bremen has done it in the other direction without encountering significant ice (no ice breaker), currently off Wrangell island.
Currently beyond range.
I wonder if insurance will pay out…
I’m sure this has been said in comments, but it can’t be stressed too much. Alarmists and activist big MSM are putting people at risk who believe all the propaganda and think its balmy and clear sailing. I think we need to have a bond paid before venturing into these dangerous waters and putting rescuers at risk and high costs.
Almost the Beetles’ “Here Comes The Sin King”
Couldn’t resist… 😉
~ I’m fixing a hole where the ice gets in, and keeps my yacht from wandering where it will go.
Here’s a list of vessels that didn’t get crunched and made it through.
http://www.nauticapedia.ca/Articles/NWP_Fulltransits.php
I noted that in 1976 (during the ice-age scare) the 13 meter yacht sloop Williwaw was the first sailing yacht to circumnavigate NA. Should have been a cinch for these guys after all that spiral melting…
What is the fascination with the North West Passage? Its been open before and generally closed of late, it will probably be open again some day. What does navigating it in a particular year prove? Am I missing something?
His track tells a different story. https://share.garmin.com/Anahita
He spent 16 hours covering 80 miles at an average 5 kts, on a bee-line course to Hazard Inlet, Somerset Island, and there he stopped. I think he ran aground – and looking at his route, good speed in narrow channels and close to shore – I’m not surprised.
There must have been at least a million starving polar bears trapped on the same thin strand of ice. How did they ever survive?
If, as looks likely, the NW Passage remains closed this summer, that fact won’t get widely reported.
We’ll know in about two weeks, but right now it appears that Arctic sea ice extent this summer will be the fourth highest of the past twelve years, just pipping out 2017. If so, the higher years were 2009, 2013 and 2014. Each of the lowest three years, 2007, 2012 and 2016, suffered from August cyclones, two in 2016, which pile up and scatter the floes, reducing the area with 15% ice cover.
Unfortunately, Arctic sea ice minimum summer extent has been growing since its record low in 2012.
John Tillman
Actually, it’s a little worse than that – if you accept the premise that lower September sea ice extents are a symptom/cause of the supposed “arctic sea ice death spiral” so often claimed by the climastrologists.
Using Sunday, 2 Sept 2018, NSIDC Arctic Sea Ice Extents data,
Today’s 2018 Arctic sea ice extents are greater than 7 of the past 11 years going back as far as 2007: (2007, 2008, 2011, 2012, 2015, 2016, 2017) and may exceed 2010’s sea ice extents in a few days.
I was just in the Arctic. I think it is great that the boat tried to make it through the northwest passage. We have wanted to but this trip we just went to Greenland and Svalbard Norway.
In 2002 we went to the Antarctic and were told there is no global warming. But now 16 years later of gathering temperatures and now going to the arctic we see found out ourselves…. there is global warming.
The new surprise finding is that Greenland and [others in] the Arctic love global warming. They are able to grow potatoes and turnips for the first time in almost 1,000 years. They can access oil and gas and are starting to reach granite mines again. Northern Canada had their best wheat crop ever.
We in Miami and San Francisco do not like global warming and are afraid of losing our land, but we are not the only folks on the earth. Some like it hot. So we decided to quit bitching about global warming.
There had been no warming in the Antarctic. The temperature at the South Pole hasn’t changed in all the decades of records there. The massive East Antarctic Ice Sheet, repository of most of the fresh water on Earth, is growing. What melting is occurring on the small West Antarctic Ice Sheet is due to subglacial volcanism, not “global warming”.
To the extent that Earth has warmed since c. AD 1850, it’s natural, not primarily caused by man-made CO2. And, as you note, warming is a good thing. So is enjoying more plant food in the air.
An 11 meter sailboat was crushed and sunk by arctic ice in the Bellot strait on 8/29/2018.
“Darwin’s theory should have been allowed to take its course.”:
But Darwin’s theory is allowed – the guys will buy a new vessel, maybe a bigger one.
Say no more….. if you believe the propaganda!
Just red the German text. The Yacht was prepared for sailing through ice.
The Canadian Coast Guard had warned this yacht and others yachts as well that the Passage will probably not open this year. So they should retreat to a save space and walt.
They din’t follow the advice and relied on a report of another skipper who could cross the Passage last year.