Guest essay by Eric Worrall
More green jingoism – President Macron of France is apparently now leader of the global climate effort, but for some reason Macron doesn’t qualify as enough of a climate leader to make it to the title of the article.
Climate change is World War III, and we are leaderless
By David Shearman
Posted Tue at 5:05am“World War III is well and truly underway. And we are losing,” writes environmental activist Bill McKibben, so when Malcolm Turnbull implied that the insurgency that demolished his government was based on climate ideology, what lessons are there for Scott Morrison?
As a child in Britain during WWII, I lived in a street of mothers and children. Every father was away fighting. Each house and garden was surrounded by a metal palisade fence.
One morning the fences were gone, mother was delighted. Then a horse and cart came and took away every metal cooking pot and pan, some treasured, but mother smiled at her sacrifice. It was difficult for me to understand.
She had responded to the call from Lord Beaverbrook, Minister of Aircraft Production, for the women of Britain to: “Give us your aluminium. … We will turn your pots and pans into Spitfires and Hurricanes.”
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Britain was a united and cohesive community. Young and old worked daily in small ways for the common cause. But most importantly, in the free world, two countries — Britain and the US — had leaders in Winston Churchill and Franklin D Roosevelt who could explain the need for duty and sacrifice.
Their like is yet to emerge today, and indeed the Western world is bereft, perhaps apart from French President Emmanuel Macron, who explained to Congress and the American people that secure borders are irrelevant to this threat, and all of us are world citizens needing to act in concert. “There is no Planet B,” he said.
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Dr David Shearman is the honorary secretary of Doctors for the Environment Australia and Emeritus Professor of Medicine at Adelaide University.
Read more: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-08-28/climate-change-is-world-war-3-and-we-are-leaderless/10168962
Poor President Macron – he has made such an effort to be a global climate leader, abusing President Trump’s hospitality by strutting his stuff in front of the US Congress, offering US climate funding refugees seven figure grants to emigrate to France, yet the author David Shearman doesn’t think Macron rates a mention until the eighth paragraph.
Well, this is an idiotic premise from the start.
I will say this – the biggest human threat to the planet, and to humanity itself is the same one that my generation and my parent’s generation grew up with – and that is thermonuclear war.
To compare a possible degree uptick to World War 3 is beyond idiocy.
And I daresay Macron will be absolutely useless in either case.
Jesus – this guy is what bitch-slaps are made for.
“the biggest human threat to the planet”
Nah. The planet doesn’t care. This big ol’ dirt ball will keep flying around the sun NO MATTER WHAT WE DO.
A lot of leftists insist on policies that would make exchanges of thoughts with Russia more difficult, or even impossible (on Twitter some openly call for a great firewall of the US against Russia), making global war much more likely.
” the biggest human threat to the planet, and to humanity itself is the same one that my generation and my parent’s generation grew up with – and that is thermonuclear war.”
Joel – even though thermonuclear war is bad enough, I think the current world trend to embrace communism is far worse. We see it promoted from the United Nations and its offshoots, the American left, Europe and even Australia and New Zealand.
Thank God for Donald Trump who is not afraid to call a spade a spade.
Cheers
Roger
http://www.thedemiseofchristchurch.com
It should finally be understood that the collapse of the climate is not a political or religious issue.
There is also zero chance of that happening.
Why do you have to invent such wild fantasies? Is your real life that empty?
I’ll go further than that. It’s not even a real issue.
War is made more likely by
– pro vaccine conspirationnal activists who consider any criticism of any vaccine is an hostile act probably inspired by Putin
– the call to ban immigration from Russia because of lack of vaccination in US and Russia
– anti Trump conspirationnal activists who see Russian troll in any pro Trump, or even anti-anti-Trump message (many such anti-anti-Trump messages are written by people who actually dislike Trump, but not for “Trump-Russia” reasons)
– the call to ban Russia from social networks
– the call to build a wall at the frontier of Russian networks
Such people speak freely on Twitter and I see no backlash from “moderate” anti-Trump people.
I do not believe that. I believe the biggest threat to the human species is their propensity to elect leaders like Macron who are vain and completely incompetent.
The biggest threat is mandatory vaccination of children. Its intent is to break the mind of parents who then become complicit and weak. It’s a national rape.
(Mandatory vaccination is obviously not targeted at augmenting vaccine coverage and will only produce the opposite.)
Wow, simply, wow.
If you are a vaxxer, then you are a science religious fundamentalist, a true believer, you have scientism. (The exact opposite of a skeptic.)
https://freebeacon.com/issues/rand-paul-mandatory-vaccines-first-step-to-martial-law/
simple-touriste, …… tell that to all the people who were diagnosed with Polio when they were children (teenagers and/or young adults).
And you think children should suffer this type of infection just to appease your religious beliefs, to wit:
They were diagnosed with “polio”? What was “polio” then?
Why have we seen an explosion of “polio” in India following vaccination?
https://youtu.be/qb7YEm4YCMs
‘The biggest threat is mandatory vaccination of children.’
So that beats thermonuclear war. Rock, paper, scissors.
As if there were even a grain of truth in your assertion about vaccination in the first place. And THEN compare it to rape.
I honestly don’t know where to go with such utter blithering idiocy.
Just hold your breath and don’t talk for a while.
Forcing parents to risk the health of their own children with an unsafe drug.
No equivalent since the kapo.
Seriously – you’ve made an idiot out of yourself enough for one thread.
Simple-T, there simply is no words to use in the face of such blatant ignorance. I just hope you never have children and if you do, I feel sorry for the suffering they risk because of your idiocy.
As usual, zero evidence from the vaxxers.
What are your relevant qualifications, again?
Simple, You must be younger than fifty and gone to school in the modern so called education system. Vaccines rate right in there with other great human inventions, e.g., agriculture, the wheel, control of fire, separate drinking water from domestic waste (we had to learn that one several times), recovery of fossil fuels. Go back and carefully analysis childhood mortality over the past just two hundred years. Average human longevity increases during the 20th and 21st Century are large due to childhood vaccinations. Until childhood vaccinations became mandatory a child had a high probability of dying or being disabled prior to puberty, usually before they were two years old.
Yes, I am old enough to have known people afflicted with polio. My mother remembers decimation of her town – twice – by smallpox.
And you have the evidence that was polio, right? Nope. It was paralysis of some form. A syndrome nobody could diagnose with certainty.
Even if that was polio, then what? How do you know the vaccine had anything to do with the decrease of polio?
Who is at risk of polio now in the West?
Okay, dumbass – we’re making comparisons to nuclear war, here.
The n*zi communist tactics employed by vaxxers make war much more likely.
Which vaccines, please?
Which diseases?
“carefully analysis childhood mortality over the past just two hundred years”
Answer here:
https://edition.cnn.com/videos/health/2015/02/03/newday-gupta-rand-paul-vaccine-views-are-dangerous.cnn
at 0’50”
(but then, there is no correlation here with almost vaccines prescribed now)
Yes, I think I would rate global nuclear war as the greatest threat.
But I would rate green extremism and climate change alarmism as the second greatest threat.
These are catastrophes for the world and they are certainly man-made. They have caused the corruption of science on an industrial scale.They have caused the world to fritter away trillions of dollars incompetently trying to solve a problem that doesn’t actually exist. Their “green” policies often harm the environment that they claim to be protecting (e.g. biofuels and the Volkswagen scandal).
In a few decades our children will look back and try to understand how we could have been so deluded. They will also have the right to be angry at the vast sums of money that we wasted.
Chris
Should be World War IV. I thought WW III was the war against terrorism.
Yes, it’s 3 or 4 if you count the Cold War and also Marshall Plan no. 38 and Great Society no. 24
Comparing global warming to World War II is simply disrespectful and disgraceful. Millions of brave men and women in the Allied countries lost their lives to save the world from Nazi barbarism. In contrast man made global warming is an exaggerated made for television ficitionalized crisis. Are we to seriously compare Al Gore to the soldiers who stormed the bloody beaches of Normandy or to the sailors who lost their lives in the surprise attack on Pearl Harbor?
I heartily agree. Disgraceful. However see this as just part of the junk vocabulary created by the left for their blind followers to use. To call anyone who tries to think or behave scientifically a “denier “ with it’s obvious holocaust connotations is equally offensive given the blind ignorance it demonstrates in those mouthing it. People en mass are increasingly embracing extremism and its justification in support of their cause. Fire deniers. Lock them up, even attack physically. What cause can justify this? We are only a few degrees away from the burning of heretics.
Unfortunately, climate change threat is about a million times more dangerous than the threat of World War Three.
The world a few tenths of a degree warmer, but still cooler than it has been for 90% of the last 10,000 years and still 3 to 5 degrees cooler than the Holocene optimum is a threat????
Having plants grow bigger and stronger, is a threat????
Oh not just a threat – a MILLION times more dangerous.
I swear, maybe Darwin was wrong.
This guy must have thumbs on his feet.
I can appreciate your empirical research there with climate change Mihaly but it’s now a second order problem as the mates and I have fed the tree rings into the computer and lo and behold the threat of a giant asteroid hitting earth is about two million times the threat of climate change and as you know the tree rings never lie.
A million times more dangerous than World War Three?
You can’t invent idiocy like this.
There were no WWII deniers. If the things are so bad, we should soon start to have real world evidence.
Also, if things are so bad, why do ecoloons oppose nuclear fission so strongly?
The “Europhile” on Twitter now advocate for a WALL on social media against speech coming from Russians. That’s how far gone these Stalinists are.
(Of course it could be a provocation. But like “Rape Melania Trump” the point isn’t who holds the sign (Posobiec), but which group accept protesters with that sign.)
Ironic that this article showed up in The Guardian today. France and its Paris pledges.
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Macron has lost a minister. Has he lost credibility on the environment too?
Nicolas Hulot’s shock resignation is a heavy blow for the French president. He can save face – but he needs to act
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/aug/29/macron-minister-environmental-credibility-nicolas-hulot-shock-resignation
Hulot or Gore: who had the greatest footprint?
The sort of fanaticism exhibited by some of the greens is a serious threat, if they take control of a government and try to enforce their system on others who do not share it. BTW, the NSDAP had a seriously green program in their party platform.
DSDAP=The National Socialist German Workers’ Party. IT wasn’t my idea of a party. Too bad we can’t use the English term. Just trying to help the lesser informed, Tom.
Just trying to avoid auto moderation
It is fair to say that France is leaderless!
In the close circle around Macron there is someone who is on video playing videogame with the person who hosted the people who made the Saint-Denis terror attack.
Macron is too close to Islamic terrorists for confort.
No its a little short…………….but it has a little bit,…….
Not so. La Republique has its Marianne. Or was it Jeanne d’Arc? In any case there’s madame Macron.
Send your money now to Paris if you want to be saved. If not, we also have some nice weapon systems to sell you along with our customers in the Middle East. PS. We miss Saddam.
Allegedly “far right” party Front National was very Saddam friendly, even more than the rest of the other French parties.
The French Parti Socialiste was a member of the same association of political parties as Saddam’s party.
Your’e a liar son,………. this is your 3rd politicised pack of lies posting about the lady and her party……..
The lady? Which one?
Some people never miss an opportunity to promote and glorify the NeoCon destruction of the Middle East, no matter what the posted topic actually is.
PS: We have have some nice weapons systems to sell our Wahhabi terrorist pals in secular and enlightened and democratic Saudi Arabia!
PPS: “Bomb that killed 40 kids in Yemen made in US”
PPPS: We miss you, King Abdullah!
http://static.rcgroups.net/forums/attachments/1/1/7/8/0/a5155995-181-bush-kisses-saudi-prince-4-15-09.png
The ME was stable, when?
The Middle East has been destroying itself without anyone’s help for hundreds of years.
I see you are still trying to push the notion that if the US didn’t sell weapons, nobody in the ME would have anything more dangerous that a rock.
What’s worse, Bush exchanging a kiss of friendship with the King, or Obama bowing to him?
When hasn’t the ME been destroying itself? If the west was to cut off all ties to the ME, the ME would still continue it’s self-destructive ways, same as it has for hundreds of years.
Pure, brainless, emotion-laden crap. Honest-to-God, they will say anything now, in their desperate attempt to save their failing “climate change” ideology.
“Doctors for the Environment”? How about “Engineers for Horticulture”? Or, “Dentists for the Arts”? I don’t get the connection.
“’Doctors for the Environment’? … I don’t get the connection.”
Well, according to the Goracle, the Earth is running a fever so it obviously needs a doctor (/sarc)
The reality is that the climate change that we have been experiencing is caused by the sun and the oceans over which mankind has no control. There is no real evidence that CO2 has any effect on climate and plenty of rationale to support the idea that the climate sensitivity of CO2 is zero. Even if we could somehow stop the climate from changing, extreme weather events and sea level rise would continue because they are part of the current climate. So the real enemy here must be Mother Nature. Currently we have no weapons that will work against Mother Nature and force her to provide the optimal climate whatever that climate may happen to be.
Macron is only joking, he actually meant to say it is ‘Scallops War’ with rosbifs, which takes me to another joke as reported in ‘the telegraph’ whole of the UK’s total worth is only 10 trillions while the Apple shares valuation exceeds $1 trillion.
The first Hurricanes’ wings, rear fuselage and tail surfaces were covered by fabric, but the fabric wing-covering soon gave way to aluminum. The early models also had a two-bladed prop, as seen on those sent to Iran, before the British Empire invaded Iran, with the Soviet Union.
The Warren truss the rear fuselage was built on was made of aluminium. The ribs and stringers of even the early mainplanes were made of aluminium. There was a lot of aluminium in Hurricanes.
Does he mean this President Macron, dropping like a stone in the polls?
https://www.politico.eu/article/emmanuel-macron-popularity-hits-new-low-after-benalla-scandal-polls-bodyguard-no-confidence-motion/
The French confidence in Emmanuel Macron was an exercice in collective hysteria.
Macron could only win with the help of the “justice” system who investigated his serious opponents while doing nothing against his allies and the members of his party “En Marche”.
Excellent comment. Goes for the bimbo-based fishing expedition against Trump as well. Recognizable around the world in fact this abuse of the “justice” system.
The fact that many anti Trump people are satisfied with the Stormy-Cohen story shows that they never cared that much about Russia.
It is clear that old Macaroni is in cahoots with the swivel-eyed global warming hoaxers.
Same as his chum, old Justin True Dough, over there in Canada.
Shame on them both, and all those who voted for them. The chickens will come home to roost…
More power to Donald Trump’s elbow, and his ongoing efforts to root out these traitors…
No longer anthropogenic nor catastrophic nor global nor warming. Science cum politics cum emotional exploitation.
n.n
You forgot Beavers.
Yes and soon to be brackish backwater of history flickering out with no apology and more likely a replacement cause to push with equal acidity
I’m wondering if there was another ww would France be anymore help than they were in the last one and which side would they be on.
Dunno if France would side with the US or Russia if it came to a shooting match, but at least France and the UK spend more on defense than do the more populous and bigger economic powers of Germany and Japan.
As for your thoughts on France Don’t know. But one point in WW2 they went to war because Germany invaded Poland we did not finally commit until Pearl Harbor.
Not that many of the people in the U.S. did not see it coming. My own dad enlisted prior to the war he was shipped out to the Pacific early Jan.1942.
They appeased Hitler by offering Czechoslovakia on a silver plate. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munich_Agreement
Mais oui, led by that notorious Frenchman Neville Chamberlain wasn’t it?
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Rich Davis
Didn’t Neville Chamberlain also lead the first wave of Germans when they bombed Pearl Harbor?
No that was his step son Mitsuo Fuchida
michael
I did not know that. Those Frogs are even slipperier than I thought! Thanks for the insight
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It was the British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain who proclaimed “Peace for our time”, while holding up the agreement with Hitler.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_for_our_time
Not fair to hold the French entirely responsible.
Sorry implied sarc
Look up America First movement centered around Chicago then German super weapon time-line to realize just how lucky the free world is to exist today based on a one year window of providence and bravery.
IMO, Hitler’s fascination with “super weapons” was probably his failing. And yes, the time-line is very scary. If he actually focused on and deployed the E-boat and ME-262 fighter, Germany probably would have won. Just these two weapons alone out performed anything the allies had at their disposal by a wide margin.
I’ve read that another problem was German tendency to over engineer everything.
The Panzer tank was a marvel of engineering that could out fight pretty much anything on the battlefield at that time.
The problem was the US could build 10 Sherman’s in the time it took to build one Panzer, and as Patton said, “Quantity has a quality all it’s own.”
Getting it wrong on 3 or 4 out of 10 super weapons does not mean they would have failed with more time. It just means they wasted time and effort in those particular directions. You could say the same about U.S. weapons development over the decades.
It’s more like a branching time line of events starting with the ME-262 production rate and sane usage of the ones they had, then V2 refinement and production rate, then potentially new warheads for the V2 using a wider window to operate in for development and production rate. Pearl Harbor closed the door on that branching time line but no thanks to the organized protests in Chicago and Berkeley in making that window as risky as it was. Somewhere in a branched reality there are difference accents being used by thugs in alt-Chicago and alt-Berkeley if those places still exist.
potential info source:
http://bobrowen.com/nymas/americafirst.html
France and England had mutual defense treaties with Poland. The US didn’t.
The US probably wouldn’t have gotten involved in the European war had Hitler not declared war on us.
Actually the US (FDR) went to the aid of the UK just a few weeks after Rudolph Hess landed in Scotland. His message indicated that the Nazis were going after the Russians, which was not part of the original plan (which was to establish a NWO and clean out the French and English colonial empires). The interests which were funding the Nazi war machine, which included more than a few American industrialists, realized that the ball park had changed and finally turned on Hitler.
Communists were on the side of Soviet Union.
China and Iran’s,…..James….. The UN will stand with China and Iran as well.
Russia fear Chinas brand of ”socialism” and will stand with America and Japan against the german/franco China/iran/turkey axis.
It sounds to me like their money-grabbing/finger-pointing/hair-pulling/teeth-clenching/sobbing/spittle-flecked climate gabfest this December may be their last hurrah, their Waterloo. The world will rejoice.
But…but…but I thought China was the leader in the fight against global warming!
They are leaderless, rudderless, and up sheet creek without a paddle. Stick a fork in them, they’re done.
Art…I am confused. I thought the world’s leader of Klymit Power issues be Ms Angela Merkel, leader of the poster child of Green …Germany…even though it is building more Coal Plants than we in Oz can imagine (just 2 of the newest ones would set us up for the next 20 years or so) and it is failing to meet every emission pledge in the last decade.
However Mr Macron probably deserves to be the latest Great Green Hope as he leads a nation that creates electrical power with a 70% plus mix of Nuclear Power…yep…that makes so much sense…Go Green …Go Nuke…
If only Australia was allowed to go nuke or get back to coal/gas we would return to having affordable, reliable and efficient power as we had for most of last century. From which we gained a world class living standard and a nation that was as socially fair…with some issues and problems of course…as any on the planet.
CORRECTION: Fighting climate STUPIDITY is World War III, or should I say, “World War Z”, as in the walking brain-dead Zombie apocalypse.
Posted before but it’s so good here it js again.
I have a French battle rifle for sale, never fired and only dropped once.
Apologies to the valiant French resistance and with great appreciation for what the French did to help in the founding of the US of A. Leadership is always the problem and it looks like they’re headed back to the Vichy days.
William Shirer noted in “The Collapse of the Third Republic”, that World War I cost France 1,357,800 dead, 4,266,000 wounded (of whom 1.5 million were permanently maimed) and 537,000 made prisoner or missing. That’s exactly 73% of the 8,410,000 men mobilized. France had 40 million citizens at the start of the war; six in ten men between the ages of eighteen and twenty-eight died or were permanently maimed (mutilé de guerre).
Since the US has over 325 million people now (more with illegals), that’s as if we lost more than 11 million killed in four years.
The hideous butcher’s bill that France rang up in WWI, and Britain to a lesser extent, was due almost entirely to the military inability to adapt to the realities of industrialized warfare. In the Napoleonic wars a century before, infantry marched into solid shot fired from muskets and cannon. Troop losses were severe, but nothing like those of WWI where infantry were exposed to machine guns and explosive artillery. The military top brass however continued to use tactics which were essentially those of the Napoleonic wars.
The sheer conceptual bankruptcy of military thinking in WWI is exemplified by the concept of attrition, much in vogue in battles such as Verdun: “we will ultimately kill more of your troops than you of ours, so if we lose a few hundred thousand of ours in this battle it will be worth it”. Once you start thinking of human lives in this fashion, you deserve to lose.
Sorry Roger, have to disagree.
The massive death toll in the Great War was due almost entirely to the military ABILITY to adapt to the realities of industrialised warfare.
Industrialisation not only supplied the latest weapons and equipment, but also provided the infrastructure to support and move the troops and supplies required to keep the massive armies in the field.
As for your ‘you deserve to lose’ comment, well, unfortunately here I beleive you are also wrong. That sort of mind set makes you someone the sane public should never touch with a barge poll in times of peace but during the brutal times of total war they are exactly the sorts of requirements needed.
War isn’t nice. It is brutal. To win you often need a brutal and pragmatic mindset. The original concept for Verdun was not to grind each other down because we had 102,000 and they only had 100,000 and our last 2000 would march into Paris, but to force via limited offensives the French into a battle they could not afford to lose and destroy them with the superior mounts of heavy German artillery. It was the fact that the French were not prepared to stick to the German script that this didn’t happen and rather than slowly destroying the French the battles devolved into attrition.
Why? Cause war is brutal. If you are not prepared to fight brutally you will be defeated by someone who is.
(also, paradoxically the drawn up battles of attrition actually had lower casualty rates than the open war of movement battles. Casualty rates were also considerably lower as a percentage of troops involved – about 0.3 to 0.5% – than in earlier periods. Gettysburg was very roughly about 20-30%. The Great War didn’t maim more people because it was better at maiming, it maimed more because industrialisation made it so much much bigger)
Moral of the Story? Don’t EVER let the political situation devolve into war.
Parabellum.
Moral of the Story? Don’t EVER let the political situation devolve into war.
unless you have an unemployment and over population problem and owe money to your enemy.
War is the last ditch attempt of one elite to remain in control over another.
If you take the attitude that you will never, ever fight. You might as well hand over your sovereignty to your neighbors and get the it over with. They are going to take it eventually anyway.
More people died in the 1918 flu epidemic than in WWI
LOL
Typical argument of the Big Pharma people. So you think the epidemic and war aren’t linked.
Maybe you think polio in the US isn’t war related, too.
And here we come to the true seed for France’s 1930’s military policies. It was demographic.
Germany had the same issue but started with a higher birth rate.
https://voxeu.org/article/demographic-consequence-first-world-war
Part of the costs of war that we do not always contemplate
michael
JIMG1 Your mention of the French Resistance…If you are Aussie the story of Nancy Wake…The White Mouse…will be known. I am not sure about O/S posters so I recommend checking out what Nancy did with The French Resistance during WW2.
Nancy was…too put it mildly…not the easiest individual to get along with and it was a case of her way or no way but her WW2 exploits are the stuff of Legends… real ones.
A pity he can’t lead his cohorts to clean up Paris.
…I could hear one of those old patriotic songs playing in the background while I was reading that
There’s no depth too low for them to sink to
Eric-
“We are Leaderless (Except President
MacronMaroon)”There. All fixed up, mate.
Micron.
I challenge any of these alarmists to never get on an airplane again or simply be considered a piece of S%@.
I called McKibben out on this years ago and he mumbled crap about the greater good and buying indulgences, I mean credits.
Challenge them on why developing countries are allowed/blessed to increase CO2 levels…
..since it’s destroying the planet
“Macron, who explained to Congress and the American people that secure borders are irrelevant to this threat”
The Macron thinks borders are irrelevant. From his point of view, I am sure he is correct.
So who is this “Macron” character, anyway?
As it turns out, The Macron is the supreme leader of the Strogg Battle forces, determined to conquer Earth. The Marines put up an epic fight in The Battle Of Houston. This was the first major victory against the Strogg invasion force, and was the turning point in the war. Eventually, the Earth was freed of the Strogg threat, and the Marines carried the war to the Strogg homeworld of Stroggos. There, The Macron was confronted and defeated by a heroic Marine force.
Apparently, he has had something of a makeover since then, and before he took over leadership of France.
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Here is what he looked like during the Battle of Stroggos:
At least he looks a little better now. Still the same old Macron, though.
There was a untited effort in the UK in World War 2 ( it deserves capitals) because of the level of threat to the country. Does this guy REALLY believe that the threat level is the same? First, a lesson in history, second, a lesson in science.
Too bad we can’t line up everyone that served in WW1 and WW2 and let them have a minute with Bill McKibbles.
Australia has more than its fair share of climate loonies but I think the infection rate may be slowing.
‘Young and old worked daily in small ways for the common cause.’
Gramsciites. Doesn’t matter what the cause is, as long as people accept socialism. Climate change is a tool to get people to accept socialism. It’s not about the climate, or even the weather.
“… Like fascism, climate change is one of those rare crises that gets stronger if you don’t attack …” (Pastor McKibben).
I think we must wait until CC™ occupies the Rhineland.
The McKibben quote: “… fighting this war would be socially transformative …” spills the beans.
Climate change mitigation policy is also a crisis that gets worse if not defended against in a proactive manner.
A lot…too many it’s getting so common it’s lost it’s effect….of these professors and politicians pontificate this crap to make themselves appear more important
CAGW is indeed part of WW3. The Marxists are trying to take over. They insist that democracy isn’t strong enough to combat CAGW. We have today’s previous WUWT story. We have it straight from the horse’s mouth in the persons of Maurice Strong and Christiana Figueres. It’s not like they’re denying it.
Every time the communists have taken over a country, the results have been a disaster … every time. Given the tens of millions killed by the likes of Stalin and Mao, this CAGW false flag war is just that … it is a war against democracy.
Nothing says duty and sacrifice like Social Security and the New Deal. After all, planning for your retirement is an unrealistic duty that should be assumed by your betters.
And since France is leading the war on modernity, I assume we’ll be seeing the terms of surrender any minute now as the sun rises and starts to warm the day there.
I assume you’d be happy to see the low IQ and unlucky starve to death in their old age.
I assume you believe that Ponzi schemes work. And “luck” in the vast majority of cases just means bad choices that I don’t want to be responsible for. Heinlein put it well:
Families and private charity performed much, much better than government has at taking care of the unfortunate.
Despite the fact that the country was much, much poorer than compared to today. Nobody starved in retirement. SS solved a problem that existed solely in the mind of leftists.
For reference, Macron, a “banker”, admitted during the debate against MLP (alleged “far right”, just another commie) that he didn’t know by which mechanism you could pay your employees in currency X while selling to customers in currency Y. He made a funny face while saying that (very poor actor).
Of course after this meltdown ALL medias would find that Macron was an expert, brillant, “the professor”, etc. And MLP had the worst day in her life (she was actually unclear on her plan and the difference of her plan with the SME or SME, but Macron did not even tried to expose a plan for anything).
Fact checkers then tried to say that Macron was right (or wrong in the right way as the Graun would put it, insisting that the ECU was not a currency or a currency not often used). But I don’t understand why they wouldn’t admit that Macron had a really bad debate. It doesn’t matter: MLP is hated, inept, she hates freedom and capitalism like the communist voters she is shamelessly hitting on (with not much success, as the results show).
I still don’t understand why the French ruling class would go all in to deny the poor debate of Macron. It’s a national brain washing exercice. Ask someone in France: who was better in the debate? It’s Macron. What did he say that was sensible? Crickets. Did MLP say something silly? (actually yes) Almost nobody can cite anything actually silly she actually said.
The treatment of the debate by the medias need to be investigated.
simple touriste…
Was The Aussie MSM in charge of reporting that debate? Particularly our ABC, the Australian Broadcasting Commission. The taxpayer funded Government broadcaster which has never come across a Lefty Luvvie concept worth challenging or questioning. This century.
He was downright patronising there while it was not a bad idea. I think or at least hope that it will be a matter of time until these tactics are found out by the peoples of the EU.
Poor little Micron and his mum.
Micron makes reliable memory, Gary. My sister does electron microscope inspection at the Boise plant. Please don’t paste their trademark over that enemy of progress. 😉
We are indeed in a war, but not as depicted here. The war is between reason and the insanity of the green blob.
I think the war is actually against a global socialist despot coup which uses the quasi-scientific religion of certain anthropogenic climate disaster as its central agenda.
Dear David Shearman, climate change is not “World War III”, anymore than there are “battles” with hurricanes, earthquakes, or even tornadoes.
It wreaks of society obsessed with self-destruction and prodded by pseudoscience.
Yes, a divided Vichy France type war more likely
WWIII is in the past. It was the Cold War. It involved countries, world-wide, siding with either the NATO alliance, the Soviet Union, or trying to maintain neutrality in spite of the pressure from both sides. Everything from the Iron Curtain falling across Europe to the collapse of the Soviet Union is the Cold War. It did have its hot spots.
No, GP Hanner it is not in the past, it is part of the present. The Cold War was the child of the second WW which was born out of the treaty of Versailles. WW1 was the “love” child from the Franco-Prussian war
But this is not what I was intending to speak off. The article talks of leadership and its lack.
Look at all the great battles, everywhere, you will find one person who stands up and calls “Follow me”
Normandie was June 6, all those years ago, on all those Beaches there were countless men of all ranks who rose up calling follow me.
You must have the courage of your convictions to lead and a willingness to sacrifice all.
I will stop my moralizing now.
michael
Wrong about WWI which started the Century of Hell. It was as Bismarck warned when they fired him in 1899, the planned British 7-years war of Edward VII, who called from the grave “follow me”.
See Two Grenadiers By Heinrich Heine (1799-1856) https://www.bartleby.com/177/79.html
…
“Then my emperor rides across my grave,
And swords will be clashing hard:
And armed I’ll rise up from my grave, 35
My emperor to guard!”
Edward VII’s Geopolitics, from the grave , again , beckoning to attach Russia , again, as Napoleon, Hitler’s declared Vorgänger, did.
I like that Micheal.
War time Leaders of men.
“…Macron, who explained to Congress and the American people that secure borders are irrelevant to this threat…”.
Come on, Junior, we can follow the premise and conclusion, and detect fallacious reasoning. No one here is saying that the two (border security and AGW or CCC) are related in anyway. Rhetoricians call this device a Non-Sequitur, the figure of irrelevance, a point that doesn’t follow its predecessor. Oops. Nor is any solution a logical conclusion to an argument that begins with the premise that GW and climate change are due to CO2 emissions, man made, or in any political sense amenable to regulation or legislation or UN resolution, premises falsified by empirical data collected from numerous studies. Nor do we consider a 0.8-2.5C Temperature increase over the coming century much of a threat, so there’s not much need to beat that dead horse of the Precautionary Principle. God help us if the West ever finds itself in an Actual WWIII.
Please, no more 8×10 portraits of Macron. I may wish to eat dinner later.
Every time I see that guy I start humming “Coo coo kachoo, Mrs Robinson …”.
It is unlikely that WWIII has started. If it had, France would have surrendered by now.
That’s what Macron wants to do, he’s just looking for someone to surrender to.
He’s clearly surrendered to the climate alarmists, just as France surrendered to the Nazi’s in WWII.
What should France have done? Fight against a superior military until complete destruction?
France surrendered to pacifists leftists in the 30ties. Germany was allowed to rebuild a military.
IMO, it has and they have. A slow, unarmed invasion of is having its effect with more and larger no-go zones throughout Europe and the UK. If a real push-back against this invasion begins in France, those unarmed invaders will have already become armed. As it is going, though, the invaders will simply vote themselves into power and covert the country to a theocracy.
According to French black market specialists, a gun or even a military rifle isn’t expensive on the black market. It isn’t a high margin business, more like a low entry cost business. Drug trafficking is more lucrative.
Dr Shearman’s article is replete with logical fallacies e.g. false analogies, non sequiturs, appeals to emotion (think of the children), appeals to authority (“As a doctor I know…”), appeals to tradition (Churchill and Roosevelt) etc.
He was a child during WWII but it’s difficult to see which side he was on, the US response to the climate threat is: ‘… as irrational as if the Germans had demolished their “Siegfried Line” of WWII …’.
The Australian Broadcasting Corporation has been providing Dr Shearman a soapbox for some time:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/david-shearman/32834
“… Better the authoritarianism of the scientific elites than those who want power. This was recommended by Plato who saw democracy bowing to the needs of the populace-the savage beasts [a.k.a “basket of deplorables”] …”:
http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/archived/perspective/david-shearman/3224318
My Australian professional Medical association surveyed and lobbied members to start preaching the ills of climate change. I used data from this website to support my argument. All the members must have been to some degree skeptics like me because it was quietly dropped. I have never heard of “Doctors for the Environment Australia” in forty years of practice and teaching.
ROFLMAO!
There’s a word for it: hubris.
I supposed President Macron needs a cause, after all he has given up on France, preferring to allow Paris and other cities to be trashed by illegal immigrants. Makes me wonder why he is bothering to save anything if he is that indifferent to what is happening to what he is claiming to save,
Macron hasn’t given up, he hated France all the way. He is the first braggingly anti France French president.
He said:
– he doesn’t know what is French culture, he hasn’t met it
– France committed a “crime contre l’humanité” by colonizing and creating Algeria a modern country with high tech extraction infrastructure left for free
– he mocked French citizens as statist, retrograde: “les gaulois”, and he mocked them abroad
– he previously said that no politicians should comment on internal politics abroad, then did exactly that several times
Macron is the caricature of the un-grounded un-cultured golden boy with no shame. Think the characters played by Leonardo DiCaprio, or just think Leonardo DiCaprio the person.
In case necessity really arises mother earth will shrug off those clinging humans. I guess most mothers know that. Including the mother of the author perhaps. As for Macron it seems he hasn’t learned yet to stand on his own two feet, doing his granny. Xcuse me.Not nice and off topic, I know.
Is it possible they’ll run out of superlatives?
I might jump up and claim that ‘taking my next sip of coffee is akin to WW3’ – yet somehow I mange to do it.
Or in *my* case, getting up and walking around – am still ‘in recovery’ from my stroke of 14 years ago and reminded of it constantly.
Without intending I wandered into ‘health’ and…….
Slightly OT but it dawned (from rolling thro a sideshow that fell out of an email recently) that 25% of *all* human deaths in this modern world are caused by something that was pretty well *unknown* a century ago.
Unresearched even until a famous & important guy was taken down by it (Eisenhower 1955)
That killer being Cardio Vascular Disease – it is killing (what?) – 45,000+ people per day around the world?
Even before we get into the damage done by stroke and cancer. Again= Modern Diseases that were really really rare a century ago.
Yet we hear relentlessly how:
…..we have never had it so good
…..life expectancy is ever increasing
…..medical & healthcare science is sooooo clever
and *everyone* swallows that, even hardened skeptics as per round here.
CVD is now ‘The Norm’
What are we looking at there..
1) Is this de-nile?
2) The power of propaganda & salesmanship
3) The ability to adapt
Can we draw any parallels with Climate Science?
Wonder what Mr Self Important Macaroni Man might say about that.
Would he even contemplate the question – my money says no.
Ain’t this sweet – we iz ‘aving ze war avec les frogz-legz
About scallops too – *the* most disgusting blobs of jellified slime ever seen outside a Sci-Fi horror movie.
*ONLY* the French could eat those ‘things’
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45342536
Somebody on the English side has badly lost the plot BUT…..and a few centuries overdue ….. having wars with the French *is* an English National Pastime.
And vice-versa – A Good War clears the air – and is ‘Jolly Good Fun’ in The Best English Tradition. Those ocean-going blobs of foul tasting slime are just the excuse.
Modern disease like SEP, Charcot, diabetes, many allergies?
What could be the common factor? Maybe the immunity part?
What could cause such immunological issues? Maybe drugs intended to create immunity?
Maybe he needs a cape and a mask over his eyes to give him that superhero look.
Much as many abuse and laugh at how he looks the Donald is more of a hero to me than all these who talk but don’t do anything useful.
James Bull
Macron is a super hero? What’s his power, insult-and-get-away-with-it?
During the presidential debate, he insulted his opponent. He also looked down on her. Treated her like an idiot. Which apparently impressed many low info voters because the fakestream media told them he had the upper hand (objectively he did not).
[It isn’t that all low info voters vote Macron, MLP is a crackpot and has a bunch of low info voters cheering her inane policies (think Bernie).]
The Internet is useful to have exchanges with these people. They are simply clueless. Many believe MLP talked about the medieval currency l’écu (she mentioned the European currency the ECU). Many believe Macron was the most qualified candidate from the economic/finance/banking POV just because he was a banker – actually he worked for Rothschild, not a regular banking bank where you draw your checks, a commercial bank that does big capitalistic operations. (Some studies showed that these big fusion/acquisitions don’t produce added capitalistic value as often as people think. I think it’s just another cult of Big Something.)
[Rothschild is of course a symbol of big fusions, globalism, and economy without dereference to fundamental interests of the nations that makes it possible, but that accusation can be accused of being crypto-antisemitism which is quite practical even if Macron isn’t Jew: Macron has a very bizarre nose, so a drawing of him featuring his very geometric nose can be classified as typical of the antisemitic drawings of the 30ties, even though his nose isn’t remotely similar to that Jewish nose. Macronists like to play the victims. A lot.]
Remember that time Homer Simpson ran for administrator of the garbage collection in Springfield? Macron looked like politician Homer during his debate against MLP, the quintessential con man. He was making faces as a bad actor and trying to make the extremely low info voters laugh at MLP.
I think that debate needs to be studied more by true communication experts. When most people say Macron crushed MLP but none of these can pinpoint an actual misstatement by MLP, there is a problem. (I think MLP crushed Macron and I can point obvious falsehoods spoken by MLP.)
It’s a simple test if you met a French voter: ask him his conclusion on the debate, then ask him to cite factual statements and misstatements. If he is brainwashed he will happily cite the consensus that Macron crushed MLP and stop here, or mention “misstatements” of MLP that she either never made or that are provably correct.
But again MLP isn’t likable at all. Americans shouldn’t be fond of her, unless they are Occupy people. But the bias against her in France (*) is so great, they don’t even want to talk about the real idiocy of her ideas and the ideas of most of the French “patriosphere” that venerates the STATE. (Marion-Maréchal Le Pen less than the others.)
(*) and among some useless US establishment CPAC “traditional conservatives”, hopefully they have their walk away moment
Need to exercise my phraseology. What was the official approved by the party form, “Dear Leader”, “Great Leader”, “Beloved Leader” ?
C’mon Kim, it’s your department, give me a hint already…
Leaderless? What about that guy who’s a former politician turned investment banker? You know… the guy who lost an election, almost had a nervous breakdown, and then made tens of millions by lobbying the government on behalf of an investment fund?
How many people has AGW killed = zero
How many people has it hurt = zero.
We don’t need the little rugged chinned hero’s help.
Guy cannot stop 1000s of rapes and 100s of murders on his own streets by HIS own guests.
Just sayin for a friend.
How many people has the fight against AGW killed: 100’s of thousands, at a minimum.
Name one
Look up those who died in England the last few years because they couldn’t afford both food and heat.
Look up those who have died because they still have to use wood and dung to heat their homes and cook their food because people like you won’t let them have affordable reliable power.
LOL @ MarkW, now you are blaming “poverty” on the fight against AGW? FYI, I use wood to heat my home. You really don’t understand “cause and effect” do you?
Policies that make energy costs skyrocket hurt the most vulnerable (the poor and elderly) the most. The key to prosperity is cheap, reliable energy. By denying developing countries that cheap, reliable energy you are preventing them from rising out of poverty.
President Micron is a small-minded man indeed.
Ah Marcon, married his pedophile, is creepily subservient to older women. I do wonder if his wife was not the first pedo he encountered
The US is such a horrible place that ‘climate scientists’ are leaving in droves for the green fields of grant giving in Farce. ( not a typo)
Spoken in the shadow and tradition of Obama and his own madness.
Okay so this was just appearance management after a cabinet resignation….
WSJ
PARIS—A key figure on the left of Emmanuel Macron’s governing coalition quit as environment minister Tuesday, exposing a rare fracture in the alliance and undercutting the French president’s efforts to calm leftist supporters restive over his pro-business agenda.
Nicolas Hulot, a hero of the left, environmental campaigner and former TV host, delivered a broadside to the Macron government by announcing his resignation during a live radio interview. Mr. Hulot said he hadn’t yet spoken with the president about his resignation, though he has been publicly flirting with the idea for months.
This is the same Macron that said in a speech recently in Denmark that there is no such as a real Dane or Frenchman. The same guy who during their election said there was such thing a French culture.
Who would take anything he said seriously?