From the “I scream, you scream, we all scream for higher temperatures” department. Yesterday, Paul Homewood and I went on a collaborative search to find the weather station at Strathclyde Park which had it’s all-time Scottish high temperature record denied by the Met Office, to no avail. It just wasn’t easily visible. One of Paul’s readers went to the scene and took photos, but it isn’t just the photos, it’s what he found out. Photo credits to Duncan McNeil. Read on.
The Met Office said:
“Unfortunately in this particular instance we have evidence that a stationary vehicle with its engine running was parked too close to the observing enclosure and the Stevenson screen housing the thermometers during the afternoon of 28th June,”
Turns out, it was an ice cream truck.
Here is what Duncan McNeil wrote after asking around at the scene, bolded sentence mine.
From: DMcNeil
Sent: 06 July 2018 22:14
To: paul homewood
Subject: Re: StrathclydeHi Paul,
Having read that they were blaming a car exhaust I revisited the park. I discovered that the weather station is split over two sites. The anemometer and wind direction indicators are on the roof. The stevenson screen is in the boat compound. I have attached two google screen shots showing the position of the Stevenson Screen as well as photos. The screen shot shows a large tent? close beside the Stevenson screen, but over the last couple of summers and without doubt in our extraordinary weather recently that position is taken up by an ice cream van which stays there all day with it’s engine running to keep the freezers working. The boat compound is in a continual state of flux depending on what events are being held in the park.
Thanks for all the work you put into your site,
Duncan
So claims of “extreme heat due to global warming” have been shot down by the Good Humor Man. I found this photo of an ice cream truck in Strathclyde Country Park here:
It doesn’t get any more ridiculous than this for climate alarmists
This is why yearly site inspections for all weather stations that report to the climatic record are needed. Otherwise you end up with bogus data. How many others like this exist that we don’t know about?
UPDATE: As I was writing this, one of our own WUWT readers (Peta of Newark) chimed in with these photos (annotations mine):
Been there, done that, got the T-shirt.
S’pose you want pictures huh…
I hope they work.Up close and personal…
https://postimg.cc/image/bel7msnlj/
Same angle but steeped back, now we see the ‘parked vehicle’
https://postimg.cc/image/7i7vqpuvb/
Oh the ironing, its an ice cream van.
From the exact opposite side..
https://postimg.cc/image/5qeww4ogn/
The piers/water are off to the left and we’re looking into the gym (those S shaped things are treadmills) in the top left corner of the big white roof building in the top photo..
Yes, that is a diesel generator attached to the back of the ice cream vanIt is one very large water park, set below the town and driving into there is like walking into a fridge. The water really does cool it – or is the a carbon dioxide hole above the park?
The ice cream girl (that’s her in the drivers seat with her back to us) was ever so ever so sweet – from Poland I guess, not Scottish at all. Hope that cow May doesn’t send her home.
It made her soooo happy to be a World Record Breaker, just the smile on her face made the trip worthwhile.Otherwise what a Complete Mess of a weather station
The ‘gallery’ should be here: https://postimg.cc/gallery/f8lhzifs/
In case you don’t know, ice cream trucks have usually 2 or 3 aircons or chillers with heat exchangers, plus a generator. They are true “urban heat islands”.
I love it!
Photographic evidence of more alarmist hot air!
Never mind the ice-cream truck (fair point) but what about siting itself ?
Despite a token bit weed around the base inside the wire, this station is surrounded by black tarmac. Maybe Anthony could rate this official index of conformity to US siting requirements. Probably a 4.
Agree, that site is ridiculous for an official temp station. Pretty common situation, tho.
Well, I think Nick Stokes pointed out in the original thread that this is not a GHCN site. But it was being used to score political points and play at alarmist “climate communication” by MSM.
Many of these bogus “records” get rebutted or corrected but I doubt that even 1% of those who see the original exaggerated claims ever get to notice a discrete retraction 2 or 3 days later.
“Maybe Anthony could rate”
The Met Office itself rates it at one star (out of five).
Is it “only used for educational purposes” like you said about the other site with similar setup?
spot on about the site. Its not anywhere where correct temperatures ca nbe measured. Who are the idiots who planted it there? The MET office of course.
“The MET office of course.”
That seems unlikely.
So …. Global Warming isn’t caused by CO2 but by ICTs? (Ice Cream Trucks.)
Was one parked by Yamal 06?
Or JEBs Jet exhaust blasts
Josh needs to come up with a cartoon of DiCaprio’s private jet blasting a temp gauge..
So that is causing the Global Warming. Too many ice cream trucks!
Well, the ice cream truck AND the horrible placement, in the middle of a &#^#%$ ASPHALT PARKING LOT!
Drop about three to five degrees C off of whatever they’ve been reporting, to start.
Ever notice the huge difference in a parking lot from when the sky is clear and the suns beating down….and when it’s cloudy
Less than 100 feet from the water (Strathclyde Loch), and in the other direction about 500 feet from the River Clyde. You don’t suppose that could affect air temperatures, could it?
https://goo.gl/maps/RgawshaC95s
agreed chad. with the weather we have been having in scotland lately it also makes a mess of night time temps. the heat coming from buildings and tarmac lasts well beyond sunset. i wonder how long the screen has been there and the tarmac. many years ago i fished a few coarse angling competitions and i seem to remember that general area being gravel.
A lot of blogs on Gelati in Scotland, history e.g.
“A large Italian community settled in Glasgow (and indeed, across Scotland) from the mid-19th century onwards. Looking for ways to establish themselves, many turned to what Italians perhaps do best – food – and set up cafés where they served ice cream, along with drinks and food influenced by their new home. Decades on from their foundation, many of these ice cream parlours survive, and are now a through blend of Scottish and Italian.”
A highlight of a trip to Scotland was a cousin who had a gelateria and a whiskey shop combined in Edinburgh, the best of two great traditions.
Do they still make new Stevenson screens?
How long his this one been here and why has it not been moved to a more suitable location??
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The Stevenson Screen or thermometer screen is a standard shelter (from rain, snow and high winds, but also leaves and animals) for meteorological instruments, particularly wet and dry bulb thermometers used to record humidity and air temperature.
It is kept 1.25m/4.1ft (UK standard) above the ground by legs to avoid strong temperature gradients at ground level, has louvred sides to encourage the free passage of air, and is painted white to reflect heat radiation, since what is measured is the temperature of the air in the shade, not of the sunshine.
To allow comparability from screen to screen every aspect of construction and exposure is specified by the World Meteorological Organization. For example, its doors opens towards the pole to minimize disturbance when reading in daylight. Double roof, walls and floor of white-painted wood provide screening, and extensive louvres maintain adequate ventilation on all but the stillest days.
It was invented by the British engineer and meteorologist Sir Thomas Stevenson (1818-1887), the father of Robert Louis Stevenson.
Ah, so Scottish as well.
angech
I believe the paint, and the frequency of painting is also specified, but rarely adhered to.
How The Scots Invented the Modern World:
The True Story of How Western Europe’s Poorest Nation Created Our World & Everything in It.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B001I8WBW8/?coliid=I2625FIDHXBSPX&colid=1EV52NXR12FUS&psc=0&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it
I recommend this book as one of the most interesting histories focusing on a culture rather than a place. Quite why they are so inventive is not known. They were brewing ale in 120 litre clay pots 6500 years ago. The book lists a host of inventions that propelled the modern age.
Something that perhaps others can confirm is that it seems everyone mentioned in the book was a Freemason. In a way, it is an ode to secular materialism and rationalism, and the advances made following the decision of a dedicated group to thoroughly reform society from the ground up.
It is not generally known that starting ‘from zero’ Scotland became the best educated country in Europe as a conscious act in a short time, with most children attending school and being tri-lingual. Remarkable.
Tri-lingual? Scots, English, and American?
And the Scots invented golf! Also hosting the upcoming PGA Open Championship.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnoustie_Golf_Links
You mean that the Scots didn’t invent ice cream?
Felix
Nope, but we figured out a way to go to war over it.
🙂
AW,
You got the scoop, so to speak, on the late-breaking story!
With the aid of your peppy Far-Flung Correspondents on the spot.
How long until Nick stresses the importance that this is not part of a global network?
Were any of the dairy products used to make the ice cream homogenized?
Two hours 17 minutes!
An open letter to all alarmists
Due to all the data tampering in the other temperature data sets, the only one that both sides trust is the University of Alabama at Huntsville (UAH ) satellite temperature data set.
If you dont believe in the UAH satellite record, that would be saying that if there ever was CAGW, you believe that Christy and Spencer would be intentionally telling us that everything was all right while the earth would be drowning in rising sea levels and people would be keeling over in the streets from global heat hell. Is that what you expect us to believe ? When the temperatures start to go down in the next 5 years in their satellite record you will be criticizing their data as bunk and instead saying that the fudged land data is the true temperature. Are we skeptics that stupid?
A skeptic has no reason to lie about climate change or global warming. All we get are howls of derision from the wider public cause they think we are nuts. The battleground for global warming first shot was when an alarmist sympathsizer fired 7 shots into Dr. John Christy’s office in Huntsville. So why would we do this and subject ourselves to ridicule and possibly even danger? Just to try to win an argument. ? If that is what you think , then you are nuttier than the nuttiest that I thought greens could ever be. The real reason is THE TRUTH. We know the truth about CO2 and we will fight this hoax to our everlasting breath. When we are presented with graphs we have never seen, we investigate the source. If a line of reasoning makes sense backed up by good data then we change our minds. That is what science is all about. Unlike the global warming religion which is NOT science.
“The battleground for global warming first shot was when an alarmist sympathsizer fired 7 shots into Dr. John Christy’s office in Huntsville.”
Actually it was into the office next to his, but likely only by mistake.
If anyone like that ever does take a shot at a skeptic, they’ll certainly shoot too high and miss.
And then they’ll claim they hit the target.
Only if they are from Texas.
It appears that two readers are unfamiliar with the Texas Sharpshooter’s Fallacy.
You can’t talk sense to alarmists. Water off a duck’s back.
Satelite readings have also been “corrected” and found wrong. Funny that. Meanwhile in Orstralia >>> https://tinyurl.com/wrong-thermals
A few satellites measuring weather have also “failed” to reach orbit… or work as designed.
https://tinyurl.com/spectec-les Surely not sabotage?
>>An open letter to all alarmists
Due to all the data tampering in the other temperature data sets, the only one that both sides trust is the University of Alabama at Huntsville (UAH ) satellite temperature data set.<<
Alan. Mate. The UAH data set? Please so read the following reference before embarrassing yourself again.
https://thinkprogress.org/quoting-john-christy-on-climate-change-is-like-quoting-dick-cheney-on-iraq-414c7bc89cac/
Gee, and I guess all that black pavement around it did not compensate for the exhaust by making it cooler.
The Ice Cream truck operators should use dry ice to keep their respective items chilled.
Isnt dry ice supercooled CO2? Isnt CO2 a bogeyman that no one is supposed to use because it is a pollutant as defined by the EPA? By sheer coincidence even the beer makers and soft drink companies in England now have a shortage of CO2. Co2 is produced in many industrial processes.
“Large quantities of CO2 are produced by lime kilns, which burn limestone (primarily calcium carbonate) to produce calcium oxide ( lime, used to make cement); and in the production of magnesium from dolomite (calcium magnesium carbonate). Other industrial activities which produce large amounts of carbon dioxide are ammonia production and hydrogen production from natural gas or other hydrocarbon raw materials.
The concentration of CO2 in air and in stack gases from simple combustion sources (heaters, boilers, furnaces) is not high enough to make carbon dioxide recovery commercially feasible. The most common operations from which commercially-produced carbon dioxide is recovered are industrial plants which produce hydrogen or ammonia from natural gas, coal, or other hydrocarbon feedstock, and large-volume fermentation operations in which plant products are made into ethanol for human consumption, automotive fuel, or industrial use. Breweries producing beer from various grain products are a traditional source. Corn-to-ethanol plants have been the most rapidly growing source of feed gas for CO2 recovery. CO2-rich natural gas reservoirs found in underground formations found primarily in the western United States and in Canada are another source of recoverable carbon dioxide.
CO2 from both natural and industrial sources is used to enhance production of oil from older wells by injecting the carbon dioxide into appropriate underground formations. Carbon dioxide is used selectively, primarily in wells which will benefit not only from re-pressurization, but also from a reduction in viscosity of the oil in the reservoir caused by a portion of the CO2 dissolving in the oil. (The extent to which carbon dioxide will dissolve in the oil varies with the type of petroleum present in the reservoir. If the viscosity reduction effect will be minimal, nitrogen, which is usually less expensive, may be used as the pressurant instead.)
Carbon dioxide will not burn or support combustion. Air with a carbon dioxide content of more than 10% will extinguish an open flame, and, if breathed, can be life-threatening. Such concentrations may build up in silos, digestion chambers, wells, sewers and the like. Caution must be exercised when entering these types of confined spaces. Carbon dioxide is commonly used as a raw material for production of various chemicals; as a working material in fire extinguishing systems; for carbonation of soft drinks; for freezing of food products such as poultry, meats, vegetables and fruit; for chilling of meats prior to grinding; for refrigeration and maintenance of ideal atmospheric conditions during transportation of food products to market; for enhancement of oil recovery from oil wells; and for treatment of alkaline water.
Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Applications and Uses:
Multi-Industry Uses for Carbon Dioxide (CO2):
Carbon dioxide in solid and in liquid form is used for refrigeration and cooling. It is used as an inert gas in chemical processes, in the storage of carbon powder and in fire extinguishers.
Metals Industry:
Carbon dioxide is used in the manufacture of casting molds to enhance their hardness.
Manufacturing and Construction Uses:
Carbon dioxide is used on a large scale as a shield gas in MIG/MAG welding, where the gas protects the weld puddle against oxidation by the surrounding air. A mixture of argon and carbon dioxide is commonly used today to achieve a higher welding rate and reduce the need for post weld treatment.
Dry ice pellets are used to replace sandblasting when removing paint from surfaces. It aids in reducing the cost of disposal and cleanup.
Chemicals, Pharmaceuticals and Petroleum Industry Uses:
Large quantities are used as a raw material in the chemical process industry, especially for methanol and urea production.
Carbon dioxide is used in oil wells for oil extraction and to maintain pressure within a formation.. When CO2 is pumped into an oil well, it is partially dissolved into the oil, rendering it less viscous, allowing the oil to be extracted more easily from the bedrock. Considerably more oil can be extracted from through this process.
Rubber and Plastics Industry Uses:
Flash is removed from rubber objects by tumbling them with crushed dry ice in a rotating drum.
Food and Beverages Uses for Carbon Dioxide:
Liquid or solid carbon dioxide is used for quick freezing, surface freezing, chilling and refrigeration in the transport of foods. In cryogenic tunnel and spiral freezers, high pressure liquid CO2 is injected through nozzles that convert it to a mixture of CO2 gas and dry ice “snow” that covers the surface of the food product. As it sublimates (goes directly from solid to gas states) refrigeration is transferred to the product.
Carbon dioxide gas is used to carbonate soft drinks, beers and wine and to prevent fungal and bacterial growth.
Liquid carbon dioxide is a good solvent for many organic compounds. It is used to de-caffeinate coffee.
It is used as an inert “blanket”, as a product-dispensing propellant and an extraction agent. It can also be used to displace air during canning.
Supercritical CO2 extraction coupled with a fractional separation technique is used by producers of flavors and fragrances to separate and purify volatile flavor and fragrances concentrates.
Cold sterilization can be carried out with a mixture of 90% carbon dioxide and 10% ethylene oxide, the carbon dioxide has a stabilizing effect on the ethylene oxide and reduces the risk of explosion.
Health Care Uses:
Carbon dioxide is used as an additive to oxygen for medical use as a respiration stimulant.
Environmental Uses:
Used as a propellant in aerosol cans, it replaces more environmentally troublesome alternatives.
By using dry ice pellets to replace sandblasting when removing paint from surfaces, problems of residue disposal are greatly reduced.
It is used to neutralize alkaline water.
Miscellaneous Uses for Carbon Dioxide (CO2):
Liquid carbon dioxide’s solvent potential has been employed in some dry cleaning equipment as a substitute for conventional solvents. This use is still experimental – some types of soil are more effectively removed with traditional dry cleaning equipment, and the equipment is more expensive.
Yields of plant products grown in greenhouses can increase by 20% by enriching the air inside the greenhouse with carbon dioxide. The target level for enrichment is typically a carbon dioxide concentration of 1000 PPM (parts per million) – or about two and a half times the level present in the atmosphere. ”
We all breathe out CO2 and plants need it to survive and the EPA had the gall to call it a pollutant and legislate against it. We need more CO2 in our atmosphere NOT less.
How ironic…potentially the oil companies get big rebate fir sequestering CO2 into old oil wells..haha. Win win for them.
There are even more uses of CO2 than I had supposed. No wonder anti-humans are trying so very hard to demonise it.
They live was a documentary!
Onions, apart from exuding noxious gases, exude carbon dioxide. A cargo of onions can create sufficient CO2 in a few days to kill any watersiders daft enough to descend to the bottom of a ship’s hold with a cargo of onion without checking the air.
We carried onions from Bombay to Colombo. There were no objections when I indented for a dozen chickens to be used as test subjects. When we arrived at Colombo and the hatches were opened, in each hold one of said chickens was lowered on a heaving line to the bottom of the hold. Only after the chickens had wandered around for a few minutes, showing no signs of distress, did I give permission for the watersiders to enter the holds to commence discharge. No injuries to watersiders, for which I was greatly thankful.
100% mortality for said chickens as they provided chicken curry for the crew, who were also thankful.
Talk about an urban heat island effect! In the middle of an asphalt parking lot, with a truck idling nearby. Setting the station next to an airconditioning heat exchanger would be about the only thing they missed.
With decades of experience around facilities handling boat trailers from Florida to Texas, I would offer that this is a dumb place even without the ice cream truck. I have been to Scotland, not long enough to know if macho types idle their diesels like they do here, but long enough to wonder about its topographical temperature variations.
HDHoese
Four seasons in one day.
It’s why Scotland is the most beautiful place on earth.
No, it’s actually worse than that.
Forget for a moment about the asphalt pavement the truck is parked upon.
Merely standing next to the ice cream truck’s refrigerator/freezer compressor IS the equal to standing next to an air conditioning heat exchanger.
Except that the truck’s refrigerator/freezer’s heat signature requires the truck engine to be running (1 source of heat from the hot exhaust gasses), the truck’s metal and engine waste heat (from its fan, its oil and its water cooling systems – the second extra source), the truck air conditioner (also running at idle while the truck is parked – so a third heat source), AND the truck freezer/refigerator system and their heat exchanger and fan – a fourth independent heat source.
Countdown to the next Guardian headline: “Ice cream vans cause dangerous global warming (ban them!) ” in 3..2..1..
Once again, we can blame fossil fuels. /sarc
This IS the ultimate Gigglesnort!
Meantime, can anyone besides me find a way to tell Accuweather that constantly changing their temperature forecasts – almost hourly, at times – means that they seem to be out of their tiny minds? I don’t know where they planted the weather station for this area, but it gets just silly after a while.
So…in a nut shell, warming is caused by cooling? Or is cooling caused by warming? I am so confused.
Good question!
I’ll run it through my Model and let you know.
(She want’s to know how much cash you have on hand before she’ll answer.)
You will need a model that says a non-natural entity causes both warming on the outside and cooling on the inside.
Wait a minute…
I think they already have that model available. Those AGWing folks are soooo talented!
Did my tongue-in-cheek ability come through on that one?
Pamela, now that’s a name I haven’t heard in a long long time. Good to hear again
It’s quite simple Pamela. Both warming and cooling are caused by GLOBAL warming. GLOBAL warming is caused by CO2, but not the natural CO2, only the human, fossil fuel burning caused CO2. Then that causes things like water vapor feedback, which is also human caused, never ocean or UV or tropics or summer created, only fossil fuel burning CO2 created. Because things were in perfect 100% balance prior to human fossil fuel burning. Now do you understand? It’s easy! You only have to WANT to understand, and it will all be so clear to you.
My comment was a pun intended to play off the “cooling” ability of an ice cream truck. Trust me I am well informed as to the nature of the current warm period we benefit from. What I don’t do as well are tongue in cheek remarks. Or maybe I did this one too well?
What is instructive for my readers is this: The love of my life has nicknamed me “technopam”.
Your tongue in cheek was just right.
Scottish ice cream truck wars
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=scottish+ice+cream+truck+wars+&t=h_&atb=v104-3_g&ia=web
Scottish-Italian Mafia funding climate scienctism to sell ice cream.
clipe
I was a Cop in Easterhouse at the time.
To be honest, it was a sensationalised storm in a teacup.
Incredible dedication by Duncan McNeil & Peta of Newark.
Trips at your own expense to expose the incompetence sceptics continually expose.
You guys deserve medals, but all most of us can do is thank you.
Also shout out to Roy MC on the other thread: https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/07/05/scottish-high-temperature-record-denied-biased-by-auto-exhaust-from-a-car-park/#comment-2397968
Thanks,
Duncan
Notice the sign on the fence near the screen says “CCTV monitored 24hrs….” With the footage you could see when the truck rolled up and what the immediate effect on the temperature record was.
It’s a manual station, it only gets read once a day.
Once too many it would seem although I guess it gives a rationale for the likes of Stephen Mosher to point out that the data fiddling is to COOL the data record. I do not know to what end because the question simply becomes how much cool-fiddling factor to apply?
Mosh? Whats the standard fiddle factor that might apply?
The fiddle factor changes every year the measurement gets older.
The older the recording date, the more it needs to be fiddled to match modern temperatures, or something like that.
@MarkW I think the notice refers to a security camera watching that area.
“Unfortunately in this particular instance we have evidence that a stationary vehicle with its engine running was parked too close ”
I give the Met office credit for admitting it.
I wonder who told them ?
Maybe the employee who maintains the equipment for them.
The Met Office only admitted it because they lost their contract with the BBC, and wanted to get their own back on them. If they were still with the BBC, they’d have kept their mouths shut. These guys don’t deserve credit for anything!
It just doesn’t get any better than this. You can’t make this stuff up. Comedy gold.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/datablog/2017/jan/19/carbon-countdown-clock-how-much-of-the-worlds-carbon-budget-have-we-spent
I watch this site every day just to see the CO2 numbers tick up 1000 tons /second!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The greenies hate this site. They cringe in sadness and they know they can’t do anything about it. Yeaaaaaaaaaaaa China. It is important that they are increasing their CO2 by 4% per year. At least after the temperatures go back down the greenies and alarmists wont be able to claim that it was a reduction in CO2. It is time to admit that the climate treaties are a joke and the goals will never be met and thus carbon taxes are throwing money down a black hole. .
This is just too funny to be true. But thanks to our two intrepid adventurers, the gig is up for the MetOffice. This appalling example of alarmism calls into account every single Met Office weather station. Could the ICT be parked in the same place every day of the obviously boiling hot summer? I found it very strange that the Met Office responded to Paul’s query about 5 days later saying it was a vehicle. I presume they sent an MI5 agent to check out the ICT. And it was there 4/5 days after the event. Said Polish lady must be casing the Stevenson Screen, or maybe the black hot asphalt. Are these so-called “scientists” serious placing a bloody thermometer next to an asphalt carpark? They must spend too much time in the laboratory not to realise that asphalt can get a tad warm. Imagine if weather stations in Australia were all next to carparks. We’d have 50C summer days all the time. On a serious note, isn’t this enough evidence of Met Office stupidity that every weather station location now needs to be audited? If you are a company director putting out financials to shareholders, these must be audited. Isn’t every Brit, etc a shareholder of the Met Office? A full audit must be demanded. And in Australia too, but sadly our politicians are too gutless to rock the alarmism boat.
“This appalling example of alarmism calls into account every single Met Office weather station.”
It actually doesn’t seem to be a Met Office station. As noted above, MO stations are AWS. There are also “a further 160 manual climate stations maintained in collaboration with partner organisations and volunteer observers”. It is part of a program described on WOW (Weather Observations Website) and they give ratings to the stations. Motherwell’s “dashboard” page is here, and you can see that it gets a one-star rating (out of five). As they say over there , some mothers do have ’em. Still, it seems, it is the best source of weather information in Motherwell.
Do they surround AWS’ with concrete blocks to restrict parking of ICTs?
Yet the Met Office says it is part of their “high-quality climate-observing network for the nation.”
except Nick, they were going to record that as a record high until they noticed the ice cream truck next to it. If they had you’d be touting it.
Yes, they checked. What do you think they should have done?
Disqualify it due to it being a poorly placed station, not just because an Ice Cream truck happened to be there.
As I asked in the previous thread with no answer – disqualify from what? There are many weather stations like this that report temperatures for local interest. People want to know. They aren’t interested in UHI or long term trends. They want to know what the temperature it is now. The operators of this site measure it, and the MO posts the information. That is a useful service.
As I’ve said to an extent you have noticed, this station is not part of any network actually used to calculate global climate statistics.
Disqualify it from being considered for the source of any meteorological or climatology record.
Sometimes Nick, I think you act purposely stupid just to get a rise out of people.
Well, the question is, are they allowed to report temperatures from Motherwell at all? If not, that seems to be withholding information from the people there in the interests of a climate purity which in fact has no relevance, since it isn’t used in climate indices. If they do report, and it turns out hot, then it is open to anyone to note that that is the highest temperature in the Scottish record. They can’t disqualify that.
I can’t see why this isn’t simply the best way to do it. Report local temperatures as measured, but approve record claims subject to vetting. People seem to respect that approval.
The Nickpicker has spoken.
Nick, but it isn’t reporting temperatures from Motherwell, it’s reporting temperatures corrupted by its surrounding.
And despite what you say, the Met Office see the station as part of its “high-quality climate-observing network for the nation”.
Stathclyde park seems to have enough open land to find a better site, why can’t they move the station, rather than continue to produce garbage values?
Sure. A weather station surrounded by tarmac with idling vehicles.
Definitely the best way to accurately measure global temperature. Sigh!
Nick. A storage compound in Motherwell with an ice cream van sitting alongside recorded a high temperature.
Climatologically irrelevant, but it resulted in a big headline splash about record high temperature in the Scottish MSM. Followed by days explaining why it wasn’t a record afterall.
Any lessons in there Nick?
Nick is dead right. You record everything. Which bits you decide to use later is another issue.
If you are reporting what the temperature was down where the van was parked, then it was what it was. What the means for climate, and whether it’s relevant to that is another issue.
Reply to Nick ,
It is well known that there are a lot of shonky weather stations all around the world badly affected by urban heat or as it is said the UHI effect .
When stations are shifted to more appropriate sites the former records are adjusted or the newer records are adjusted . Both stations should be run together for at least 5 years but of course that would be to easy .
A great deal of the so called increase in global temperature can be traced back to urban heat Get the data from rural sites that have been in opperation for 100 or more years and come back with some meaningful data
It was good enough to make a headline. A headline that was reported around the world. Nick, how many news organizations reported the correction? I’ll shut up if you can show me 2.
I’m sure you’ve seen the quote, “A lie will go round the world while truth is pulling its boots on.”
This type of issue is a huge problem with CAGW. A falsehood us reported and spreads like a fire in a fireworks factory(forgive me Mexico City). The truth goes unreported and the faithful repeat the falsehood/lie until everybody just “knows” it’s true.
Meanwhile people like you wave your hands about some unrelated fact and try to draw attention away from the original falsehood.
You must really think people are dumb. That you are so smart that you can dazzle them with your bullshit. That you can lead the sheeple to the “truth”, if they would only listen to you.
“I’ll shut up if you can show me 2.”
You’re on! WaPo:
“Previously, it was reported that Scotland set its hottest temperature on record of 91.8 degrees (33.2 Celsius) on June 28 in Motherwell, about 12 miles southeast of Glasgow. However, upon further evaluation, the U.K. Met Office determined the record was invalid due to an artificial heating source near the temperature sensor.”
The Independent wrote a headline story:
“Record-breaking temperatures in Scotland declared invalid because of vehicle parked by thermometer”
“Meanwhile people like you wave your hands about some unrelated fact and try to draw attention away from the original falsehood.”
people like you make these allegations, but don’t say whose “falsehood” it was supposed to be. MO reported temperatures on the day as usual, for over 400 sites. One was higher than others in the past, and people commented on that. The MO checked, and found and posted circumstances casting doubt on the readings and saying it wouldn’t accept it as a record. Then they are accused of dishonesty.
Nick, After seeing all the evidence against global warming on this site , how can you possibly still maintain a straight face when you post here? You are meticulous and are certainly intelligent. How do you not see the truth that this global warming hoax has been 1 big lie from the beginning. I never realized that groupthink was that powerful or that a subject could turn into a religion. Do you hate fossil fuels that much? In any case this will all sort out in the next 5 years when the UAH satellite records take a nosedive.
Nick doesn’t get (or doesn’t want to understand, same thing) that if you parked a weather station on the top of the Sears Tower in Chicago, at 1,729 feet from the surface, another on that building’s Skydeck at 1,327 feet, and a third on the ground, planted on the concrete next to city traffic, you would get three different readings for everything including the local temperature.
The Met’s fumble tells you that the weather station business is nothing but a tax-draining scam, and has never been anything else.
And why on earth would anyone park a thermometer near or in an asphalt parking zone? Parking lots and pavement are notorious as heat absorbing areas You can feel the heat in your feet when you walk through one on a hot summer day. Pavement is ALWAYS hotter than grass or dirt.
Where does Nick think the phrase ‘hot enough to fry an egg on the sidewalk’ comes from?
In Australia, the 2 longest records of official temperatures were in Sydney and Melbourne (before it closed 4 years ago) going back to 1850-60 era. In their latter years, each was comprehensively surrounded by asphalt in the form of nearby roads. Distance Melbourne Stevenson to road was about 4-5 metres on two sides. The road adjacent to Sydney site is about 16 lanes wide, the main north exit from the city centre onto the famous bridge.
Nah, no UHI effect here, some say. Geoff
These errors are becoming obvious to interested observers.
Recently the Australian Bradcasting Corporation carried a “Four Corners” program called “Weather Alert”.
The ABC are notoriously alarmist and devoted to the settled science.
The program opened with a voiceover from a Sydney radio station claiming the preceding day’s temperature at Penrith of 47.3 degrees Celsius was the hottest ever recorded in the Sydney region.
When challenged the ABC now states on its News site that there had been an error at the BOM which had » overlooked » a recorded 47.8 degrees in 1939 in the region.
The ABC now has its news item headed as the “hottest temperature in 79 years”.
Interestingly the 1930s were subjected to considerable “ global warming” as James Hansen once acknowledged for the USA, citing 1934 as the hottest year over 1998.
Darn. Now my favorite exception to the temperature record has been eclipsed. When discussing siting problems I used to mention the Camarillo Airport. In addition to repaving and increased jet traffic and new metal buildings and encroaching urbanism the city started using the area to the north as a seasoning and storage field for organic ground cover. The material bakes all day and releases heat long into the evening.
Now I’m going to use this world record ice cream truck.
That’s a paved area and the wind meters are placed in violation of station guidelines too.
Take the entire sensor record out.
Out of what? Strathclyde Park? But its the only one the’ve got.
So what? They can extrapolate from sensor 1200 kms away. Climate scientists do it all the time.
A yearly inspection wouldn’t do the trick. Alarmists would schedule the inspection for those days where the site could be expected to colder than the surrounding countryside, thereby prompting yet another correction favoring their prediction, and that “calibration” would be applied directly to the other 364.25 days and indirectly to all the other networked measurements. It’s regrettable that adults have to spend their time pointing out these failures. It’s even more regrettable that the cultists and the “climate scientists”couldn’t care less.
The ‘hot’ day was caused by the ice cream van of Darcy Wretzky
Hotter night with Darcy on bass
Well the fact that it was an icecream truck proves the planet is warming.
If it had been a hot soup truck then that would have been evidence of an ice age.
You couldn’t make it up! Except the “climate change” alarmists do.
And this is what Hansesn and GISS call science is it? UHI polluted data, adjusted by the number of street lights nearby visible from space.
Am utter joke.
My wife and I had a few trips to stay in Morecambe while our daughter was at Lancaster uni on a trundle along the sea front we found the local weather station positioned about 10ft on the landward side of the shore road with the breeze taking the warmth from the tarmac to the temp sensor.
Of course there is also the famous Heathrow high temp from a weather station right next to the taxi/runway with the high temp coinciding with the passing of an aircraft?
James Bull
A nice bit of investigation!
Its a pity the general public will probably never hear about it from the BBC.
BBC Headline and story:
“Scotland’s hottest day record ‘not accepted’ by Met Office”
Doesn’t matter. The first, wrong, headline is what people will remember. Doesn’t matter if the MO retracts it or alters it. The damage is done.
The issue is, this ‘record temperature’ would have remained a record if it had not been checked out.
It would have remained in the ‘Internet history’ for ever. Echoing around the world.
Why are non official temperature readings reported at all? It is difficult enough to get semi sensible readings with good equipment.
Why would a national weather service take an interest in an unapproved site?
If the site had been located slightly better, would the MO adopt the readings?
Sounds odd.
Here are the other Northern Hemisphere temperate records set recently
US
Denver, Colorado, tied its all-time high-temperature record of 40.5C on June 28.
Mount Washington, in New Hampshire, tied its all-time warmest low temperature of 15.5C on July 2.
That same date saw Vermont’s Burlington set its all-time warmest low temperature ever recorded of 27C.
Montreal too recorded its highest temperature in recorded history of 36.6C on July 2. The city also experienced its most extreme midnight combination of heat and humidity.
Europe
Excessive heat torched the British Isles late last week. The stifling heat caused railway lines and roofs to buckle, the Weather Channel reported, and resulted in multiple all-time record highs:
>>Apart from the Ice Cream one :Scotland provisionally set its hottest temperature on record. The UK Met Office reported Motherwell, hit 33.2 Celsius on June 28, passing the previous record of 32.9C set in August 2003 at Greycrook. <<
Additionally, Glasgow had its hottest day on record, hitting 31.9C.
In Ireland, on June 28, Shannon hit 32C, its record.
Over in the North, Belfast hit 29.5C on June 28, while the village of Castlederg hit 30.1C on June 29 – records both.
Eurasia
A large dome of high pressure, or heat dome, has persistently sat on top of Eurasia over the past week, resulting in some extraordinarily hot weather:
Tbilisi, Georgia: on July 4, the capital city soared to 40.5C, its all-time record.
Yerevan, Armenia: on July 2, the capital city soared to 42C, a record high for July and tying its record for any month.
Meanwhile, several locations in southern Russia topped or matched their warmest June temperatures on record on June 28 – as England's footballers discovered against Belgium.
Middle East
Quriyat, Oman, posted the world’s hottest low temperature ever recorded on June 28: 42.6C.
Golly. These ice cream vans must be everywhere.
Come on team. -2 likes? Not what you want to see, so you pretend that it isn’t true? Ah, well.
Most on this site would rather concentrate on the temperature that may or may not have been a record, and ignore the large number of record highs.
What an untidy dump this place is.
In fairness to Strathclyde Park, it is a large water park that hosts many national and international sporting events over the year. It needs a large area for “parking” boats, secure storage and the many other activities associated with water sports. The rest of the site is actually attractive, clean and very well maintained.
Duncan McNeil. Your photographs were very interesting. How about getting one of your colleagues to help you in recording the temperature at the Park weather station at the very same time that your colleague recorded the temperature in an open space away from the park. Both recording the actual and recorded temperature at, say 2pm on the day. We would then be able to see exactly the difference between the two temperatures? It would need to be while the ice cream vehicle is operating next to the park station. It could be a very interesting result and provide conclusive evidence of the futility of the siting of some of these stations.
Hi George,
I actually thought of that idea this morning and may even get around to doing it when I have the time. Thanks for taking the time and effort to respond to this posting,
Duncan
T’was a lovely way to indulge my only remaining vice (thank you Medical Profession) of driving/exploring/meeting people. (Mindless Dance Music fits in there somewhere but that’s Physiotherapy. Genuine thanks to Doc for that one)
One thing I did find, cross threading here, is A Reason why Greggs The Bakers are suffering from ha ha Climate Change.
Maybe there is some rebellion rising against Tasteless Nutrient Free Mush, even before it gets soaked in foul tasting & cancerous vegetable oil.
As per Greggs’ usual fayre.
Apart from meeting Polish ice cream girls, here’s another good reason to visit Scotland…
https://www.browningsbakers.com/products/pies-pastries/kilmarnock-pie
Best described as a beef-steak version of a PROPER (cannot emphasis that too much) Melton Mowbray pork pie.
Isn’t that a bizarre coincidence that Melton Mowbray is not far from Newark
😀
There just *had* to be a reason I moved all the way from North East Cumbria.
Always trust your instinct
Missed a bit – See the pie ingredients – Palm oil, admittedly vegetable but like coconut oil = saturated fat
A true measure of Climate Insanity that so much of that stuff is now being grown and then burned as diesel.
Hello Mars, here we come.
(How’s that Saharan Dust Storm that landed on the Mid-West recently doing – still blowing red dust everywhere is it?)
What Midwest dust storm?
Peta : Nothing nutritionally wrong with EITHER saturated
vegetable OR animal fats ! The human body can handle them OK !
What has caused ALL THE HEALTH PROBLEMS is the use of SUGAR and
TRANS-FATS
( partially- hydrogenated vegetable oils mainly…. & MARGARINE !! )
Butter really DOES make it better !! And good old olive-oil !!
The REAL PROBLEM with Palm Oil is that it UPSETS THE GREENIE’S !!
Forest is cleared to establish the Palm Trees …..and YOU MUST NOT
CLEAR FOREST to produce food for HUMANS !!! Next thing you know ,
hunger and poverty will be alleviated and they will start breeding !!!
( Pity WWF can’t get Pandas to EAT PROPER FOOD and breed normally !
BUT that is NO REASON to deny humans the ability to eat ! )
ps. .Peta….I loved that name..
.Pity an animal rights organisation adopted it and gave it a NEW meaning !
There is an old photo around home here showing a “Mr Whippy” ice cream truck from the 1970s in Perth, West Australia.
The back of it carried this message
MR WHIPPY
BEWARE OF CHILDREN
FRESHLY MADE FOR YOU
One of these vans was the subject of a road test by famous motoring journalist Romsey Quints, named in this article, with an image suited for the article on record high temperatures –
http://wwwbollyblog.blogspot.com/2011/07/my-mr-whippy-melted-before-i-made-it.html
Can’t find the Mr Whippy review, but it included specifications and performance figures for both motors, the one for the van and the one in the back for the refrigerator. The name Romsey Quints was for Bill Tuckey in real life, though it reminded us of that spoonerism, “shivering quits”. Geoff
let alone the proximity to the tarmac rd the solid object to radiate/ deflect heat wind etc its another of those “you have to be joking!” sites
O/T-ish: Superficially the advert below (for a car!) is just fun: computer special effects used to gently mock a “melting Arctic” activist. But just below the surface perhaps it shows that the advertising agencies have acknowledge that “Deluded Arctic Activist” has become so iconic that most of the audience will immediately be grabbed be the start of the storyboard and laugh at the outcome seconds later. Ten years ago such an ad would not have been commissioned, as the allusions and irony would be understood only by a minority. https://www.facebook.com/sharkenergydrinkofficial/videos/750607195129218/?t=100 (at 1 min 40sec)
So was the record temperature a 99 (in farenheit).
Sorry, very poor English ice cream joke….
R
The proper wording of any reporting is:
“City X had the hottest recorded temperature on the official thermometer at location X. Temperatures vary widely and this reading may or may not be relevant to any place outside of the physical space occupied by said thermomter used in the reading.”
One can change a trend line by carefully choosing locations. Temperatures vary by 10 degrees over a mile distance, sometimes less. All this “highest ever” really has little to no meaning. It’s fun with statistics, maybe, but nothing more. Not fun if you start acting as if it really matters.
Not to worry. The ice cream is homogenized, no doubt.
Slight TYPO Anthony.. ” but it (isnit) just the photos” !
Perturbing factors of weather measuring sites are uniformly those which cause an inaccurate increase in temperature data, i.e. location near concrete, blacktop and such, air conditioner unit, parking lot, or in this case an ice cream truck…never one which decreases temps. Ever heard of one INSIDE an air conditioned space or dripping with water spray? It’s so prevalent it’s almost like it’s planned.
Anthony, just to let you know I’m an avid reader of your site as well as Paul’s. I think your site is one of the most important, if not the most important site demanding to see the science that supports the AGW theory. Please keep up the good work,
kindest regards,
Duncan
“In case you don’t know, ice cream trucks have usually 2 or 3 aircons or chillers with heat exchangers, plus a generator”
In all my years (over 60) I’ve never seen an Ice Cream truck towing (and apparently using) an external generator! In the old days they would simply have cool boxes containing dry-ice, and could only sell pre-packed ices and lollys. These days the public wants more choice, and so on-board dispensers supply “Whipped” ice cream direct into cones. These, naturally, have chillers to cool the mixture down, and they are normally driven by an extra belt from the vehicle engine, which has to sit there all day running at idle. Some vans have a (smaller) dedicated engine, but this is not common. Maybe the operator of the red van sited next to the screen can’t stand the unholy racket produced by Ford’s “old tech” 2.5DI diesel, and chose the trailer mounted unit instead?
The ice cream truck is only part of the problem. The reporting sites are surrounded by concrete and/or asphalt! They retain heat and radiate it back into the air skewing the readings of the equipment.
Oh my goodness.
I appreciate that Americans have their own linguistic terminology for a lorry but an ice cream “truck”? Do Americans not distinguish between a lorry and a van?