Guest essay by Eric Worrall
Guardian author Jeff Sparrow thinks we need a modern equivalent to the violent Communist uprisings which rocked France, Germany and Russia towards the end of WW1 to solve the climate crisis.
Climate change is a disaster foretold, just like the first world war
Jeff Sparrow
The warnings about an unfolding climate catastrophe are getting more desperate, yet the march to destruction continues
“The lamps are going out all over Europe, we shall not see them lit again in our life-time.”
The mournful remark supposedly made by foreign secretary Sir Edward Grey at dusk on 3 August 1914 referred to Britain’s imminent entry into the first world war. But the sentiment captures something of our own moment, in the midst of an intensifying campaign against nature.
According to the World Wildlife Fund’s 2016 Living Planet Report, over the last four decades the international animal population was reduced by nearly 60%.More than a billion fewer birds inhabit North America today compared to 40 years ago. In Britain, certain iconic species (grey partridges, tree sparrows, etc) have fallen by 90%. In Germany, flying insects have declined by 76% over the past 27 years. Almost half of Borneo’s orangutans died or were removed between 1999 and 2015. Elephant numbers have dropped by 62% in a decade, with on average one adult killed by poachers every 15 minutes.
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The devastation of the first world war eventually engendered a wave of revolt from a populace appalled at the carnage their politicians had wrought.
Climate change has not yet spurred an equivalent of the mutinies in France or the revolution in Petrograd or the uprising in Berlin.
Yet Labor’s appalling equivocation over the Adani mine – a piece of environmental vandalism for which there can be no justification – illustrates the urgency with which we need a new and different type of politics.
The stakes could not be higher. Lamps are going out all over the natural world … and no one will ever see them lit again.
Perhaps pseudocryptic demands for a “new and different type of politics” is what fanatics do when they realise ordinary people have stopped listening to their ranting.
Can’t blame them really. Their job is to sell newspapers and this kind of thing sells newspapers.
No you under estimate the level of fanaticism of the people running this paper. They ban you from commenting even for making the tiniest negative comments about climate science. Mind you they do not take you off their lists so they lose the readership numbers for their advertisers.
So cynical you are. Are you going to take your ball and bat and go home. Don’t walk……….run.
Anyone who believes in the looming climate crisis has both the Right and the Responsibility to act upon those beliefs and do everything in their power to eliminate their Carbon Footprint. They should completely divest their lives from anything requiring Fossil Fuels to produce or supply. If there truly are 97% then their own personal actions would cure their perceived problem.
What they Don’t have is the right to Force their belief system on any others who disagree with them.
All in favor of completely divesting yourselves from fossil fuels today say Aye…
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My only gut response to anything this liberal rag prints is always “screw you, Grauniad!”
My only surprise is that this wasn’t on the taxpayer funded ABC (Australian version).
I take your point about the selling newspapers and hence a bit of ‘sexing up’ is justified on that basis but have you read Jeff Sparrow’s Wikipedia entry?
Jef Sparrow is, in my opinion, from the lunar left of the political spectrum and always has been (along with his sister Jill). In fact they may actually be from some bit of the political moon that broke away (he was kicked out of the International Socialist Organisation – how leftard nutzo can you be to achieve that!!!) and travelled on a moonbeam to some part of integalactic fruitspace to set up a niche agitpropshopfront for their product.
That the Grauniad uses him as a contributor only helps it flush itself down the toilet of media incredulity.
At what point does it transgress into sedition?
It’s only sedition when it doesn’t benefit the political left.
It’s not so much selling news papers, it’s about selling adds in those news papers. Add space buyers want assured eyes on page, so the editor just makes up fake hysterical drivel to get those numbers of eyes. They sell the actual paper near to cost price.
Add money corrupts EVERYTHING.
Isn’t that right, Google, Apple?
“Their job is to sell newspapers and this kind of thing sells newspapers.”
If that was true, the Guardian wouldn’t be losing so much money.
It’s hardly surprising to see the Guardian calling for a Communist Revolution, but there’s not much of a market for that.
Jeremy Corbin is already wearing a Vlad Lenin cap. No the climate wing is deadly serious about a тотаliтагуаи putsch.
http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/uncyclopedia/images/d/d5/CorbynLenin1.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/300?cb=20150727074641
If you have no data, force your view through violence also works and appears to be what some are advocating. Of course, they will be in charge of things.
No, No, this “newspaper” is a leading rabble rouser with seriously fascist tendencies. They recently editorialised that they and their mates have a “right and duty to bring Donald Trump down”. Whatever you think of him, and i’m not interested so don’t bother, he is elected. These ratbags of the left wing media are what? And this website would be gone in a flash.
They understand that AGW is deeply flawed and that there is a possibility of a Maunder Minimum, and if that happens their chance to rule us all will be gone. What you are reading is panic.
And as for my position – there is a maunder minimum on its way, of that I have no doubt.
A few years ago these same groups were pontificating about how unpatriotic it was for anyone to not work with Obama.
When a bolshevik asks you to line up in front of a ditch you should know what comes next. These people aren’t playing, they believe in the morality of murder very seriously.
“Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun.” Mao Tse Tung
A Bolshevik has one close confidant – Nagant 7.62
“The tree of freedom needs be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots every 25 years”. Thomas Jefferson
Yes and there are more than 4,000,000 in the guns in the hinterland and most in the hands of patriots…..just sayin.
Which is why the left wants to outlaw guns.
If you know what’s coming next then you should have never allowed yourself to be lined up in front of the ditch. That is where the Bolshevic should ultimately end. Cowardice relies on hope where courage demands action.
“The warnings about an unfolding climate catastrophe are getting more desperate”.
That’s because there is no evidence of an unfolding climate catastrophe and, with good reason, nobody believes the warnings anymore.
This is the Grauniad after all.
From here there is and warming does not remotely enter into it. Renewable energy means even trivial levels of cold are killers. Our wind local turbine blight showed five out of five stopped completely most of the coldest period and three out of five stopped the rest. The volts were below the level they technically are allowed to be here.
The current analogy is the way Schiff, Pelosi, and Schumer keep yammering on about Russian Collusion where precious little of the stuff impacts President Trump.
There is, however, a mountain of evidence that Hillary Clinton was and still is eyebrow deep in it! By the way, is there any coincidence that CAGW and Russian Collusion are memes pushed by the same political party?
Nah, how conspiratorial of me!
Nothing like a little hysteria to go with your morning coffee.
Maybe some nerve gas will do the trick for climate comrades and their objectives.
I have no doubt the Left would use nerve gas if they thought it would secure their objectives.
Am I missing something…or are none of the problems he mentions anything to do with climate change?
“with on average one adult killed by poachers every 15 minutes.”
Apparently, global warming causes poachers.
Perhaps he meant they were being “poached” as in poached eggs.
No, people are being poached by the eggsteme heat. Of course. These Guardian Chicken Little people are cracked in the head. Their brains are fried and scrambled.
Late friend of mine used to do the Guradian crossword.
His most memorable clue:
3 across : Gegs? (9, 4)
Go on, work it out…
“… captures something of our own moment, in the midst of an intensifying campaign against nature.”
Exactly.
And far more important to solve than the unknown causes of changing climate.
“No, people are being poached by the eggsteme heat. Of course. These Guardian Chicken Little people are cracked in the head. Their brains are fried and scrambled.”
it’s commical, a bit OT here, but the Guardian has a story about the Geomagnetic storm coming today which NASA (Spaceweather site) says is a G1, the weakest level, but from the reporting, you’d think it was the Carrington event!
I wonder if people at the Guardian carry little Al Gore dolls in their pockets or purses to keep them focused on their goal of Climate Domination!
Made this biologist’s blood boil. Animal populations are not dropping because of emissions. If humans are actually causing a species’ decline, it is because people are harming the animals indirectly (habitat loss/destruction, killing or displacing the prey base, etc.) or killing them. Orangutans and elephants are primarily in trouble because of poaching. Other major factors include human-wildlife conflict (people do not like it when elephants eat and destroy their crops) and displacement due to land clearance, etc. Slightly warmer temperatures are the least of their concerns.
When I think of how much money is being blown on climate change conferences and other nonsense, and how many conservation organizations can barely cover their yearly expenses (even with most work being done by volunteers), I want to throw something. And then idiot journalists promote exacerbating the problem. Grrr.
Quite.
+10. Almost everything they listed could be attributed to land mis-management, habitat encroachment and poaching. CO2 has nothing to do with it.
Absolutely correct, AK, habitat loss/destruction and the other factors you list are the culprits not some innocuous trace gas. BUUUUUUUT! If you are a paid up member of the “progressive Left” it’s so much easier to rant and rave against the evil Exxon Mobil as against trying to stop a Madargascan slash and burn farmer, for instance.
If all of the energy supplied by fossil fuels was replaced by wind and solar installations, the world’s animal, bird and insect populations would be far worse off.
Yes, start with a blockade of those wood pellet ships coming from America.
One wonders how they count all these insects and animals…
Models ….GIGO ….
“The lamps are going out all over Europe”
Indeed – but it’s not due to “climate change”, rather the lunatic renewable energy policies brought in to try and stop it!
Funny how their solutions cause their own demise.
When all else fails the anarchists resort to sedition and violence is close behind. Remember the bombings carried out by the original Green party in Germany?
As I have said over and over, IF THE OIL COMPANIES CARED, and they DO NOT, this could be stopped in a week. Yet it isn’t. No one has what it takes to stop this because THEY DO NOT CARE. Repeat that every time you think you can defeat these people. You CANNOT. Because unlike them, you don’t care enough. You won’t fight. You will lose. They picket, they protest, they organize. They WIN.
what’s your point?
She is upset with the oil companies because they refuse to illegally collude and stop shipments to any region who’s politicians support the global warming deception.
Sounds more to me like she is upset because Climate Realists don’t organize protests in Support of CO2 and against those who proselytize against “Carbon Pollution”
Sheri presumably believes if the Oilcos stopped selling petrol then she and the like minded true believers would be able to stop filling their tanks. There is a certain type of logic in their lack of self control as well as jumping to the conclusion everybody needs a good strong dose of self control just like them. Only when you CARE can you PROJECT CARING onto your fellow man like that.
The OIL companies DO care.
They know. They Knew.
That there was nothing TO be stopped and nothing that needed stopping.
You dont find oil fields without doing a lot of science and having a lot of mathematicians who can model stuff.
Your mistake is starting from the unwarranted and refuted assumption that CO2 is causing drastic climate change. It isn’t.
That why all these political worthies have beachfront properties and burn tonnes of Avjet flying to climate conferences and paying their cronies huge sums to install ‘renewable energy’ that doesn’t work instead of cheaper nuclear power that does.
#greenpeace knew
CAGW means that people have to fly to remote locations to discuss CAGW.
Then they mandate the transport of “biomass” over long distances to be “renewable”.
“CAGW” is just the codename for an elaborate fossil fuel subsidy.
I think they’re playing both sides here.
We aren’t a united front by any means. Mostly, Exxon is sticking it’s neck out tackling this, and the rest of us are either cowering behind or attempting to exploit the situation.
Carbon cap and trade is a very profitable business to be in, which is why several of the oil companies advocated for it.
Bankers love it.
Enron was perhaps the biggest advocate of it.
There may be a looming climate crisis, but not the one these people write about, the real crisis may be water shortages due to climate change (and of course X billion people), but not the CC these people write about, rather the natural variability of weather patterns. For example, here is a reconstruction of rainfall at Cape Town back to 1850, it looks like Capetonians might be in for decades of relatively low rainfall if the levels of the mid 19th century are repeated, and why should they not be?
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“Lamps are going out all over the natural world … and no one will ever see them lit again.” Well, not if we follow the paths these crazy Guardianista’s want.
They will just have to relight them with Whale Oil
Hvar Walen! That’s going to go down well…
A typical Guardianista: blinded by dogma, confused by ideology and, in this case at least, having the deductive reasoning of a corpse and being confused by any facts which are contrary to his opinions.
Does the man not see the obvious: any diminution of animal populations has nothing to do with Global Warming but everything to do with human population growth and human development.
Without the late 20th/21st century mass migration into Europe and the USA, for example, their populations would have by now reduced due to declining indigenous birth rates – accommodated economically via automation and higher productivity. As such the demand for new capital works and land would have at worst remained stable, placing no additional loading on local fauna. The pity of it is that in Africa, Asia and South America, excepting in China until a few years ago with their 1 child policy, they have failed abysmally and are providing virtually all the pressures on animal lives.
I strongly recommend that the author should change tack to make his protests far more effective. He should simply going to Africa, Asia and South America and complain vociferously about their declining animal populations and the real remedies needed. I have no doubt that very many posters here would support him and sustain him by posting regular Red Cross parcels to his prison!
The radical Church of the Environment has a “solution” to human population growth and development, eliminating most of the population and reducing most of the remainder to poverty.
A perfect illustration why people have given up reading The Guardian in droves. Now it is written by and for malevolent people- hating activists and the terminally gullible.
But give it its due, it is copy edited by people who have some knowledge of the English language unlike my favourite tabloid, the Daily Sex Press.
Can we take an overly simplified look at the interesting angle on this. The revolutionaries all went to Oberlin, while the counter-revolutionaries all went to Michigan Tech. Can we say it’s the “Choir Boy vs. Weapons System Engineer for General Dynamics … Round 1”
I’ll take personal responsibility for backing over 100 Prius Attack Vehicles with my F350 Crew Cab.
Oooohhhh! Truck envy!
4 wheel drive and turbo diesel?
Seems like he is getting nostalgic for plagues of locusts. If modern technology hadn’t been so good at eradicating malaria and crop losses due to pests, he wouldn’t feel so well disposed towards flying insects.
“Elephant numbers have dropped by 62% in a decade, with on average one adult killed by poachers every 15 minutes.”
I cannot trust any of the numbers given above. Decreasing elephant numbers, which is why overpopulation is deciding their landscape? Orangutans I can believe mostly, as there were not many in the first place and biofuels and such projects have been removing their habitat.
Without substantiation, it is hard to believe that they have reputable insect populations in Europe. Song birds are down around the Mediterranean because people are eating them, not climate change or any warming.
Those places where the elephants are doing best, are those places that allow legal hunting, with the proceeds going to the local villages.
When that happens, the local villagers co-operate with rangers to stop poachers.
Elsewhere, the local villagers are more likely to work with the poachers since to them elephants are nothing but a nuisance.
The real crisis is trying to cool the Planet. Let’s compare the aftermath of Irma in Florida to the aftermath of the most recent n’easter. After Irma my power was out for 5 days. Yet with the weather being warm we were able to cook, eat and relax outside all the while working on cleaning up. It was certainly bearable. Now those in the Northeast who are currently without power are in danger of serious consequences due to the cold. How are they getting along? Not so good, eh?
Warmer is better.
It’s only natural that, as support shrinks, those remaining will be more extreme than those who have left.
True enough however we most never forget that the bolsheviks were a small minority, the Nazis were a small minority yet they were able to gain control to the detriment of 10 of millions of lives.
Let’s be absolutely clear about this…..that is what this has ALWAYS been about….and which is why it is the “progressives” (i.e., crypto-Marxists) who have been pushing the “climate change” narrative all along. It’s nothing less than Trojan Horse politics.
Which should be obvious considering this the progressive approach to every issue.
Hey Buddy! The “climate war” is over. You lost.
And the lamps are still burning. If it ever gets completely dark and cold-that will be your work! Not ours! As it stands, people in Africa and Asia are using cheap energy to improve their world and go easier on nature.
Also, nature says thanks!- For all the extra CO2!
‘Guardian author Jeff Sparrow thinks we need a modern equivalent to the violent Communist uprisings which rocked France, Germany and Russia towards the end of WW1 to solve the climate crisis.’
Gee… now who would have EVER thought they’d go here?
It’s good to hear that Trump is planning on opening more
insane asylumsmental health facilities. Hopefully the Klimate Kultists will be able to get to the front of the waiting list.How many of those dead birds were caused by Windmills and Solar Sizzlers? The article doesn’t say.
The well-meaning people are often the most dangerous. Bolshevik revolution started with good intentions but ended in a ruthless totalitarian government that murdered millions of its own people. All for a good cause of course. That is what they always say.
“Well-intended but ill-informed people being led by ill-intended but well-informed activists.”
Rather that Trotsky and the fundamentalist Marxists believed that if existing political structures were utterly destroyed, something better would take its place,
What they got was Lenin, then Stalin.
And they spent the next 40 years trying to convince everyone that this was in fact better as tens of millions of working class peasants died.
So successfully that there are people who still believe that destroying all the establishment will result in a fairer world for everyone, rather than a power grab by the most cynical ruthless unpleasant and unprincipled set of liars around.
There’s a reason Lenin called these people ‘useful idiots’.
Question: Why do activists operate from the point of view of: if you don’t believe what they believe, you must be “forced” to believe.
Because the revolution won’t happen if you aren’t.
I’ve been informed by the true believers that communism can’t work if everyone isn’t participating.
Funny how almost every progressive policy requires one-hundred percent compliance.
Doesn’t exactly jibe with that whole freedom and liberty thing.
It’s all about the struggle for leftists and in a colourless, odourless gas that’s everywhere all about them they have found their perfect Utopia to struggle against. They don’t do irony.
Violence against people who disagree is a natural reaction when you’re convinced beyond all reason that you are correct, and those who disagree are responsible for horrible atrocities.
So this reporter wants millions of people to be “purged”, imprisoned, and/or tortured, all in the name of “climate change”? I can never decide if the people who advocate this kind of thing are simply extraordinarily ignorant, if they honestly think that THIS TIME things will be different, or if they are hoping that it WON’T be different this time. Considering the vitriol that usually accompanies the calls, I suspect it is the last explanation.
I haven’t called this movement the ‘Fourth Reich’ lightly.
I don’t see any analogy between the Russian revolution and global warming. The world did not
embrace Communism, quite the opposite. Communism grew only at the point of a gun and occupation of Eastern block nations by Russian armed forces after WWII. And, of course, there was China, another Communist military dictatorship created out of the chaos of WWII
And you think the world sans propaganda and forcing would embrace windmills?
arthur4563,
You say, “the world did not embrace Communism, quite the opposite.” That is correct. Socialism=> Communism was forced on people during the Revolution and, as you point out, the Eastern block nations after WWII. However, they had 20+ years from the Revolution to the end of WWII to consolidate their power and control to the point that they COULD take over the Eastern block nations after WWII.
Global warming is not, and never has been, about “the science.” It’s another way to delegitimize people who disagree with you and ultimately seize power and control. If they are allowed to get far enough, it ultimately damn will be at the point of a gun. By then it will be too late.
Why does the fact that animal populations decreasing 60% over the last 40 years not raise any eyebrows? Are we so desensitized to such a fact, or do we instantly ignore it because it is absurd?
I simply can’t believe that a journalist would put that number in print….. and keep their job.
Because it is a ‘fact’ with a wrong and missing context, and because its factness is limited.
Here, the population of many ‘animals’ has risen tremendously during the last 40 years. So the limited applicability makes the statement a putative fake news, if not just ordinary misrepresentation due to biased fact mining.
I’m cynical but the Guardian just bullshits.
So I mean no raise of eyebrows, business as usual.
It really is unfathomable that warmists can trot out such nonsense and look us in the face and scream denier!
Where I live there are more deer, more raptors, more frigging rodents and rabbits than in living memory. Just not many hedgehogs. I guess the slug pellets got them all.
On my way home I drove past a “gaggle?” of wild turkeys. As a child I never saw any, now they are quite common and this is only in the last 10 years. I am just waiting for the predators to show up.
Surely someone of the believers can understand the concept that we see climate change peer review as equivalent to a trial where the detectives, the prosecuting counsel, the jury and the judge have all been pre tested to ensure they believe that only a guilty verdict is valid. Any climate studies degree guarantees that condition is met and a post graduate level essential for any higher post means it is a really entrenched view.
If it is beyond question then there ought to be a list of questions and they should be able to swear on oath that every single one has an answer that can be backed up by evidence that could stand up in court.
That is clearly not the case.
Without an impartial review and that means climate scientists are only witnesses not judges and superior skill levels from outside the profession are called on and deferred to correctly climate science will always be held in contempt as it rightly should be.
Exactly—that’s why a nongovernmental “Science Court” is needed, where appeals against entrenched and/or fanatical Groupthink can be made.
Uprising in Berlin will be near if Merkel really closes the last nuclear plant instead of eine Energiezurückwende.
At first they tell nonsense and at the end they solicit you for money. Isn’t that scurrilous?
I think man-made climate change was used as a tool by the left to polarize society, and create a sense of mission for atheists. Note: Environmentalists are far more likely to be atheist than any other social group. CC works like political correctness and various social justice causes to distinguish them from us, with the added advantage that CAGW is supposed to be an existential threat and our fault.
All modern left politics are due to the economic failure of the left. They could not find any socialist economic model which worked. When everyone accepts that capitalism is the only way to run an economy, the left need something else to distinguish themselves from the rest. I’m not saying this was a conscious ploy by them. It’s the way things work themselves out when there are no alternatives to what really matters: our economic welfare. It only works when they can convince us that climate change is some real threat to life. So, can’t work unless it’s ‘catastrophic’.
So Earth Day can now be a big Stalin party for the progressive elitists to attend and mingle.
The shivering reality is that vast swaths of North America have had a cold and snow winter. A warm winter is the signature of AGW. The blame for the present winter’s weather is focused upon the Arctic, although Siberia, from whence much of the cold dry air comes remains very cold. Deep ocean currents; ocean surface temperature changes; Sun UV Stratospheric impacts upon both poles; and a slightly weakening sun altogether seem to be scientific reasons involved, yet, not mentioned in many news articles.
Billionaires from both US coasts have provided considerable resources to maintain the drumbeat of single causality (CO2) for future mankind troubles. As these billionaires have made much money betting on the future, their clairvoyance in one realm has them believing there is carry over into the another realm. Maybe so, although the history of prognosticators is littered with failures. Only the forecasts that have had observational confirmation make it into the history books, like the saying: history of conflicts is written by the winners. History does seem to have a lesson: the outcomes of many revolutions of the 19th, 20th and early 21st century are associated with vast number of deaths; impoverishment of the majority remaining; and tyranny as the final outcome. Not to be recommended. We are now in a crowded world. Bullets fired at close range tend to have unintended collateral damage.
I presume Jeff Sparrow avoids using lithium ion batteries: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/business/batteries/congo-cobalt-mining-for-lithium-ion-battery/
What has elephant poaching got to do with climate change?
“The UK tree sparrow population has suffered a severe decline, estimated at 93 per cent between 1970 and 2008. However, recent Breeding Bird Survey data is encouraging, suggesting that numbers may have started to increase, albeit from a very low point.”
https://www.rspb.org.uk/birds-and-wildlife/wildlife-guides/bird-a-z/tree-sparrow
The RSPB does not give a reference for the 93%, but it also suggests numbers are increasing. Funny how that was not mentioned! Can’t have good news!
The Petrograd revolution was to challenge the orthodox or consensus way of life in Russia.
Its a very poor analogy to think that the climate orthodoxy (the so called 97%) represent the poor downtrodden masses, in fact its the other way round .
Lenin would not have got much support for
Shut down the steelworks
Close the coal mines
Increase energy bills
Demand higher food prices
The points you make are one reason I see today’s Environmental Marxism as more in line with Mao’s quite destructive Cultural Revolution rather than the Bolshevik revolution of Russia. The Progressives/Liberals in the US have indeed essentially lost the white working man’s vote.
(Someone might point out Democratic Party candidate Lamb’s apparent COngressional seat vicotry yesterday in Pittusburg’s conservative district as counter-evidence. I will point out the Mr. Lamb clearly aarticulated centrist Democratic positions. Positions that are out of sync with the Liberal-Progressve agenda that controls his Democratic Party. Mr Lamb will have to become just another two-faced liar to survive in his Party and the Democratic congressional caucus.)
The Democrats used to have a Wonderful Party. But now that it has been infiltrated by extremists, Anarchists, Communists, Marxists and Socialists it is a mere shadow of what it used to be.
The only difference between the Democrats of today and the Democrats of FDRs time is how fast they want to move towards the same goal.
Ordinarily I do not favor violent uprisings, but they do have one upside- the early victims are often the “journalists” and elitist twits who promoted the uprising. A new low in Climate Communications.
Yes, one of the very early purges in Moscow took them out.
I am curious as to their North American bird population drop. There is mention of “a study” in the linked article but don’t cite it. I would think a drop of a billion birds in NA would be noticeable. A quick look at the Globe and Mail story does not cite any reference to the drop.
As always the more you look the more you find statistics are just made up or improperly referenced.
Climate change is a disaster foretold, just like the first world war
Foretold just like the first world war?
The stupid. It burns.
Historical revisionism is a common characteristic of Marxism.
Well, He who wins the war, gets to write the History
Everyone in 1914 thought it would be over by Christmas.
And no one ever saw the streetlights lit again. The climate cult is reaching sub basement level of stupid.
This is a criminal call to violent overthrow of the state by a common-and-garden ecofascist, and he should be thrown in jail.
The fact that loud-mouthed thugs like Jeff Sparrow are allowed free rein to spout incitement to murder and revolution is why more and more countries such as Russia are losing any respect for the UK as a serious country, and feel less and less need to take us seriously. If Sparrow stays out of jail, the UK is a joke.
Hey, at least the Siberian camps for climate political prisoners will be a half degree warmer. Another day in paradise
Besides the Bolshevik analogy, thereare also elements of Mao’s Cultural Revolution in what the environmental Leftists want. Climate Change is just the Trojan Horse — the wrapper containing their poisonous revolution.
Mao’s Cultural revolution (1966-1975) embodied Red Guard rallies, where Mao’s senior revolutionary army general Lin Biao called for the destruction of the “Four Olds”; namely, old customs, culture, habits, and ideas.
Essentially Mao built his “Red Guard” of revolutionaries from mass protests. The bulk of his Red Guard were easily manipulated youth who had not been alive during WW2 or the civil war with Chiang Kai-shek’s conservatives.
And their call for the destruction of the Four olds (customs, culture, habits, and ideas) are exactly what the Left has been doing on American culture for the 8 years under former President Obama’s guidance.
Now in the US they are having their rallies, with easily manipulated children and teenagers and weak minded adults. They are all being manipulated by a few men with an evil intent.
Another “great leap” Forward in the tradition of wicked and final solutions favored by Marxist derivatves.
The quotes from the World Wildlife Fund are generally bogus. If indeed the world’s animal population has declined by 60% it had NOTHING to do with CAGW. Also, bird populations in North America have probably been more impacted by wind turbines than any other form of mortality. Even with the wind turbines and the fact I have don’t a population estimate, I am a bird watcher and we certainly don’t have a billion fewer birds. In fact I see far more birds today than I did when I was a kid and first went bird watching with my Dad.
“Climate change has not yet spurred an equivalent of the mutinies in France or the revolution in Petrograd or the uprising in Berlin.”
Possibly because no climate change has actually happened yet! Revolutions occur when large numbers of people are suffering constant oppression. Has the author so little knowledge of history that he has missed this;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutions_of_1848
or earlier this;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reformation
Who is being oppressed, exploited, deceived and robbed and by WHO by the global warming narrative? Who is freezing their arse off because the cannot afford fuel – and why?
When people demonstrate in the streets in favour of poverty and deprivation of the needs to survive then will take writers like this seriously. Until the ” plus ca change c’es tout le memes chose.”
I was going to overthrow complacency, but I just didn’t get around to it.
+1
It has been said that the world is beset by ignorance and apathy, Max. Well, I just don’t know about that and really don’t care.
+1.5
Can I say how much I despise the historical idiocy and ignorance of the Left? The Petrograd Revolution ended up with 1,443 people killed. The Berlin uprising ended up with 48 dead. Anyone calling for a rerun of those bloodbaths is one sick puppy …
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“Climate change has not yet spurred an equivalent of the mutinies in France or the revolution in Petrograd or the uprising in Berlin.”
Mutinies in France? Mutinies against the level of casualties for what was seen as no great gain.
Revolution in Petrograd? Could be a reference to the first revolution rather than the second (Bolshevik) one.
Uprising in Berlin? “The German Revolution or November Revolution (German: Novemberrevolution) was a civil conflict in the German Empire at the end of the First World War that resulted in the replacement of the German federal constitutional monarchy with a democratic parliamentary republic that later became known as the Weimar Republic. The revolutionary period lasted from November 1918 until the adoption in August 1919 of the Weimar Constitution.” (Wikipedia)
It might be the case that suggesting that the author is wanting a Bolshevik-style revolution is putting an interpretation on his words that is invalid. I say ‘might’ because it’s not clear. But it’s certainly not the case that this is an unambiguous call for a Bolshevik-style revolution. It’s certainly possible to interpret his words simply to mean that the (for him) impending disaster of climate change requires some upheaval on the part of the public. That could simply mean a big change in the public’s acceptance of what the author sees as too little action by the political establishment.
Similarly ‘a new and different style of politics’ could mean anything. Politicians on the moderate left and moderate right regularly call for such a thing. Isn’t that what Donald Trump campaigned on?
Just put ‘new style of politics’ into a search engine and see what comes up.
It’s rather like, say, Donald Trump stating that ‘we must stand up to the North Koreans’ and his critics on the left accusing him of threatening nuclear annihilation.
I hadn’t thought of it quite like that but in that case he is wanting this ‘revolution’ based on an assertion or possibility of impending climate change disaster, whereas the Russian revolution was propelled by actual experiences.
People that speak fondly of the Bolshevik Revolution have no idea of history. Millions of innocent lives were erased from the earth by these thugs gone wild. Trotsky promoted endless Revolution, ie endless war.
https://youtu.be/ugeUGnxvm_U
“The devastation of the first world war eventually engendered a wave of revolt from a populace appalled at the carnage their politicians had wrought.”
Wrong, wrong, wrong. The ‘revolt’ in Russia had been brewing since the Decembrists came back from Paris after chasing Napoleon there. The Decembrists uprising took place in 1825 and the French revolutions were all around the same time. The Russians were in serious revolt already and getting worse since the Bloody Sunday massacre of 1905, so World War 1 would have felt much the same as the way Russians had been treated for at least the last 300 years and longer. When the final Russian revolution of 1918 took place the Bolsheviks expected a global uprising, but it never happened. The ‘revolution’ in the UK was the extension of voting rights to all men and to women over 30 that owned property. And, WW1 was not ‘wrought’ by politicians but un-elected monarchies and the web of mutual protection agreements pulling countries into a conflict.
Either this is a deliberate twisting of history to suite a particular agenda or a delusion built on a willfully incomplete view of history.
Jeff Sparrow has absolutely no idea what a catastrophe the Russian Revolution was and how it was also an inevitable tragedy that had been coming for at least 100 years. To wish such an event on people puts Mr Sparrow in the same hall as Pol Pot, Jim Jones, Lenin, Hitler, Stalin, Mao Tse Tung. etc.
The Guardian story proves that some people will never learn from history.
goldminor March 14, 2018 at 2:39 pm
Yes, and people can only learn from history if they know it.
Most of us who have grown up in the Western world show have had enough of an education to know the basics of war history from that era, and the costs to society.
No-one’s gonna take me alive
The time has to make things right
You and I must fight for our rights
You and I must fight to survive
I notice the SPCA has leapt into action, “Saving” Asian dogs.
Then it occurred to me that their ideologue saturated selves might be being played.
Imagine the difficulty of trying to set up a business importing fresh dog meat into NA from say Korea.
But rescue dogs, of the best eating breeds, get waved on through by our border authorities.
Now we see reports of Dog Flu, killing North American breeds and some of these “rescued dogs” as well.
A cynic such as myself might see how some smart orientals, with a passion for a taste of home, could have easily stampeded the progressive comrades of the NA SPCA into importing the breeds of their choice.
So sorry my rescue dog died… can I have another one please?
Now I might say Sarc Off, but the likes of WWF and their cohorts are out of control emotional basket cases.
The arrogance of our SPCA actually stealing the food from the poor people of Asia is again impossible to parody.
So I can imagine a clever person convincing them to overreach in the above manner.
What is next?
Rescue cattle from the Pampas?
Rescue Bison from Alberta?
Rescue horses from Mongolia?
As for the recommendation of use of violence from our planet saving comrades, they would say that wouldn’t they.
Lets see…
No convincing science.
No convincing political agenda,
No convincing authorities
I see now they want to convince us by killing us.
Yah that will work.
“Almost half of Borneo’s orangutans died or were removed between 1999 and 2015.”
Could very well be true but due to “climate change” ?
Due to clearing of natural habitat for palm oil plantations. When chided about this the Indonesians would respond…”How much natural forest is left in Europe and North America” ? You’ve cleared most of yours but are telling us we can’t do the same..
Should large chunks of forest in Borneo be preserved?
I believe so but the developed world needs to help.
Oherwise you are telling a poor indonesian farmer that you must stay poor so we developed world citizens can “enjoy” the orangutans.
I suspect that that argument would get short shrift among poor indonesian farmers.
A Bolshevik revolution! Yeah that’s the ticket to get Trump supporters on board! I knew those Harvard/Stanford/Oxford communications professors would eventually come up with a winner. The no more Mr Nice Guy approach will turn the tables on those sceptic spoilers..
Bolsheviks should be careful what they wise for.
So sad. That is like saying we need another Holocaust to set things right with the climate. The Bolsheviks killed more than the Nazi’s. And, you know, what did they accomplish in the end? Most of the Bolshevik leaders were killed off by Stalin in the next 15 years. Endless political killings in Russia, then the German invasion. Talk about bad luck.
WW1 killed around 14 million people. The consequences of the Bolshevik Revolution in Russia were far worse. Estimates are generally around 20 million deaths under Stalin but perhaps 25 million. And whilst the War was horrible for many in Europe it lasted for five years – the oppression and horrors of Communism in Russia lasted for 70 years.
http://www.politifake.org/image/political/1508/climate-czar-communism-best-fight-global-warming-climate-chi-politics-1440540733.jpg
This is why I still have my guns.