Study: Climate models underestimate cooling effect of daily cloud cycle

From PRINCETON UNIVERSITY:

Princeton University researchers have found that the climate models scientists use to project future conditions on our planet underestimate the cooling effect that clouds have on a daily — and even hourly — basis, particularly over land.

The researchers report in the journal Nature Communications Dec. 22 that models tend to factor in too much of the sun’s daily heat, which results in warmer, drier conditions than might actually occur. The researchers found that inaccuracies in accounting for the diurnal, or daily, cloud cycle did not seem to invalidate climate projections, but they did increase the margin of error for a crucial tool scientists use to understand how climate change will affect us.

“It’s important to get the right result for the right reason,” said corresponding author Amilcare Porporato, a professor of civil and environmental engineering and the Princeton Environmental Institute. “These errors can trickle down into other changes, such as projecting fewer and weaker storms. We hope that our results are useful for improving how clouds are modeled, which would improve the calibration of climate models and make the results much more reliable.”

Porporato and first author Jun Yin, a postdoctoral research associate in civil and environmental engineering, found that not accurately capturing the daily cloud cycle has the sun bombarding Earth with an extra 1-2 watts of energy per square meter. The increased carbon dioxide in the atmosphere since the start of the Industrial Age is estimated to produce an extra 3.7 watts of energy per square meter. “The error here is half of that, so in that sense it becomes substantial,” Porporato said.

Yin and Porporato undertook their study after attending a seminar on cloud coverage and climate sensitivity. “The speaker talked a lot about where the clouds are, but not when,” Yin said. “We thought the timing was just as important and we were surprised to find there were fewer studies on that.”

Clouds change during the day and from day-to-day. Climate models do a good job of capturing the average cloud coverage, Yin said, but they miss important peaks in actual cloud coverage. These peaks can have a dramatic effect on daily conditions, such as in the early afternoon during the hottest part of the day.

“Climate scientists have the clouds, but they miss the timing,” Porporato said. “There’s a strong sensitivity between the daily cloud cycle and temperature. It’s like a person putting on a blanket at night or using a parasol during the day. If you miss that, it makes a huge difference.”

The researchers used satellite images from 1986-2005 to calculate the average diurnal cycles of clouds in each season worldwide. Yin analyzed the cloud coverage at three-hour intervals, looking at more than 6,000 points on the globe measuring 175 miles by 175 miles each.

Yin and Porporato compared the averages they came up with to those from nine climate models used by climate scientists. The majority of models have the thickest coverage occurring in the morning over the land rather than in the early afternoon when clouds shield the Earth from the sun’s most intense heat. “A small difference in timing can have a big radiative impact,” Yin said.

The researchers used both reanalysis data and satellite images from 1986-2005 to calculate the average diurnal cycles of clouds in each season worldwide. The reanalysis (above) shows (left to right) the mean (average), standard deviation (amplitude) and phase (timing) of global cloud coverage by season. The color scale indicates low (blue) to high (red) coverage, amplitude and timing. The majority of models suggest that clouds are thickest over land in the early morning. The Princeton study showed, however, that cloud coverage peaks more frequently in the afternoon. CREDIT Image by Jun Yin, Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering

The researchers plan to explore the effect different types of clouds have on climate-model projections, as well as how cloud cycles influence the year-to-year variation of Earth’s temperature, especially in relation to extreme rainfall.

Gabriel Katul, professor of hydrology and micrometeorology at Duke University, said that “the significance is quite high” of accurately modeling the daily cloud cycle. Katul was not involved in the research but is familiar with it.

The cloud cycle can indicate deficiencies in the characterization of surface heating and atmospheric water vapor, both of which are necessary for cloud formation, he said. Both factors also govern how the lowest portion of Earth’s atmosphere — known as the atmospheric boundary layer — interacts with the planet’s surface.

“The modeling of boundary-layer growth and collapse is fraught with difficulties because it involves complex processes that must be overly simplified in climate models,” Katul said. “So, exploring the timing of cloud formation and cloud thickness is significant at the diurnal scale precisely because those timescales are the most relevant to boundary-layer dynamics and surface-atmosphere heat and water-vapor exchange.”

When it comes to clouds, climate models have typically focused on mechanisms, spatial areas and timescales — such as air pollution and microphysics, hundreds of square kilometers, and seasons, respectively — that are larger and more generalized, Katul said. “There are practical reasons why data-model comparisons were conducted in a manner that masked the diurnal variation in clouds,” he said. “Diurnal variation was somewhat masked by the fact that much of the climate-model performance was reported over longer-term and larger-scale averages.”

By capturing the timing and thickness of the daily cloud cycle on a global scale, however, Yin and Porporato have provided scientists with a tool for confirming if climate models aptly portray cloud formation and the interaction between clouds and the atmosphere.

“The global coverage and emphasis on both ‘timing’ and ‘amount’ are notable. As far as I am aware, this is the first study to explore this manifold of models in such a coherent way,” Katul said. “I am sure this type of work will offer new perspectives to improve the representation of clouds. I would not be surprised to see this paper highly cited in future IPCC [U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change] reports.”

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The paper, “Diurnal cloud cycle biases in climate models,” was published online Dec. 22 by Nature Communications.

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Bob boder
January 10, 2018 11:07 am

All they had to do was read Willis’s post here, they would have even more to think about then.

Bill J
Reply to  Bob boder
January 10, 2018 11:25 am

That’s exactly what I was thinking. Maybe Willis could co-author a paper with them. Oh wait it would never get published if he was a co-author!

Reply to  Bill J
January 11, 2018 8:01 am

BTW, for newcomers here who don’t know why we keep talking about Willis, here’s the background.

In 2015 Willis Eschenbach identified a remarkable natural “thermostat” mechanism involving the timing of afternoon thunderstorm formation, which sharply limits tropical Pacific water temperature excursions above about 26°C. He wrote about it on WUWT in an article he called “Albedic Meanderings.” Of all his many excellent articles, that one remains my favorite:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/06/03/albedic-meanderings/

On my “feedbacks” page I call that one “Eschenbach Tropical Cloud Feedback.”

Reply to  Bill J
January 11, 2018 8:25 am

Excellent example of Willis reinventing the wheel: http://www.drroyspencer.com/2013/08/on-the-cloud-thermostat-hypothesis/

Reply to  Bill J
January 11, 2018 9:13 am

No, Remy Mermelstein, Willis’ work in 2015 was not “reinventing the wheel.”

Neither was Dick Lindzen’s, in 2001.

The fact that a number of researchers have investigated the apparent link between tropical sea surface temperatures and clouds, which seems to regulate temperatures in the tropics, does not mean that their work is all the same.

Willis’s work was highly original, and deeply insightful.

There are some relevant links here:
https://www.sealevel.info/feedbacks.html#tropicalsst

Reply to  Bill J
January 11, 2018 9:23 am

Dr. Sencer wrote about Ramanathan and Collins, who investigated a “thermostat” mechanism involving cirrus clouds. Willis’s investigation involved the timing of afternoon thunderstorm formation. I would have expected that Remy Mermelstein would know that cirrus clouds and thunderheads are different.

Hugs
Reply to  Bob boder
January 10, 2018 11:27 am

Well, frankly, no, that’s not enough. But, Willis did raise good questions and did some research to support his thinking. In my opinion, a model that does not have a realistic cloud cover is unrealistic and can be tossed without further consideration. Why those models live, is beyond my imagination.

Bryan A
Reply to  Hugs
January 10, 2018 12:14 pm

But not my imagination…
The models live because they produce the future warming signal that AGW proponents calim should be there.
Without their hypothesised catastroprophecies, their models wouldn’t suit their purpose

RockyRoad
Reply to  Hugs
January 10, 2018 12:34 pm

Indeed!

I can hypothesize that Martians will invade the World and cause the extinction of humanity but modeling such a war wouldn’t make it any more viable than what the AGW proponents claim in their modeling.

Bryan A
Reply to  Hugs
January 10, 2018 1:58 pm

Scenerio
Small Asteroid strikes Mars
A piece of Mars is ejected into space and travels to Earth
On this piece is a Martian Bacterium that doesn’t exist on Earth but is deadly to 99% of the populace.
Who wins the war of the worlds??

peanut gallery
Reply to  Hugs
January 10, 2018 6:04 pm

Bernie Madeoff

Sean
Reply to  Bob boder
January 10, 2018 2:19 pm

The big difference in Willis’ post was that he was looking at diurnal cloud cover in the tropics over the ocean. In the long run, I think Willis’ analysis is much more important as I think a lot of heating of the earth is short wave radiation penetrating up to 30 meters in the oceans. If you develop in the hottest part of the day over the water, that’s a lot of heat not ending up in the earths biggest heat sink.

NW sage
Reply to  Bob boder
January 10, 2018 5:47 pm

Exactly my thought – I certainly hope the Princeton authors referenced and gave credit for Willis’ work as published here!

ptolemy2
January 10, 2018 11:08 am

In a similar vein, another study found clouds to be cloudy and wind to be windy.

Bob boder
Reply to  ptolemy2
January 10, 2018 12:08 pm

Maybe true but do you have any proof

Caligula Jones
Reply to  Bob boder
January 10, 2018 12:30 pm

Well, I elieve that clouds are wet. Very, very wet.

My proof: I’ve actually walked through them…

paqyfelyc
Reply to  Bob boder
January 11, 2018 2:51 am

What? How do you dare present hard fact as proof? a proof takes a paper, a “scientist” title, a few pal to sign the paper with you, and a few other pals to have it peer-reviewed and accepted.

WR
January 10, 2018 11:09 am

“the researchers found that inaccuracies in accounting for the diurnal, or daily, cloud cycle did not seem to invalidate climate projections, but they did increase the margin of error”

It’s telling how afraid researchers are of contradicting the orthodoxy and being labeled a denier, even when there research directly refutes the warmist doctrine.

Hugs
Reply to  WR
January 10, 2018 11:30 am

Haha yes, there is a high barrier in saying anything contrarian. And a price must be paid by kowtowing the supposed Konsensus.

Mark from the Midwest
Reply to  WR
January 10, 2018 11:49 am

In my mind it pretty much does invalidate climate projections, in my business it would be like saying “we know price plays a role in the adoption and use of mobile data packages, but we’re pretty much going to ignore it in our market projection models.”

MarkW
Reply to  WR
January 10, 2018 4:38 pm

I picked up on that as well.
The error is 25 to 50% of the total heating from CO2, but don’t worry, the pre-ordained results are not invalidated.

Latitude
January 10, 2018 11:15 am

“The error here is half of that”…….break out the slide rule girls!

toorightmate
Reply to  Latitude
January 10, 2018 8:51 pm

They are holding their scale rule upside down AND the abacus is on the blink.

Tired Old Nurse
January 10, 2018 11:31 am

‘ The researchers found that inaccuracies in accounting for the diurnal, or daily, cloud cycle did not seem to invalidate climate projections, but they did increase the margin of error for a crucial tool scientists use to understand how climate change will affect us.‘

As a non-scientist my question is: how much inaccuracy does it take to invalidation projections? From what I gather from reading WUWT the projections are already invalid due to always being incorrect.

sailboarder
Reply to  Tired Old Nurse
January 10, 2018 11:41 am

The models might do much better with this tweak. The problem is, there may then be no catastrophe in the making.

Latitude
Reply to  sailboarder
January 10, 2018 12:28 pm

even if they do better….even perfect…they are still invalid…you can’t leave as much out as they do and have it any other way

Thomas Homer
January 10, 2018 11:35 am

From the article: “The increased carbon dioxide in the atmosphere since the start of the Industrial Age is estimated to produce an extra 3.7 watts of energy per square meter.”

And how does atmospheric CO2 “produce” energy?

Reply to  Thomas Homer
January 10, 2018 12:36 pm

And 3.7 is about 1% of the extra “back” long wave energy.

Vary cloud effect by 1% and the whole 3.7 is swamped. This one paper, in a real world, would halt all the model speculation.

Reply to  Dave Fair
January 10, 2018 3:57 pm

What you stated is, or should be, obvious/common knowledge. The variable cloud input (guesses) will control the whole thing. And it’s sad that any new study or paper would be necessary to change direction of this mess.

It seems that the authors statement, “It’s important to get the right result for the right reason, these errors can trickle down into other changes, such as projecting fewer and weaker storms ….”, shows that they were less interested in finding/showing modeling errors than they were in figuring out how to get the model to predict more bad stuff.

Linda Goodman
January 10, 2018 11:36 am

I’m no expert, but the C02 big lie is the foundation for totalitarian control of all humanity. So cooling clouds? What cooling clouds? Endless funds support junk science to justify psychotic elites’ control of the planet. And the continued failure to call it what it is makes their unspeakable success more likely.

Bruce
January 10, 2018 11:55 am

Now we have an idea of how hot the models run…. anyone punched this new number into a GCM to see the effect? It might be enough to kill the ‘it’s the carbon wot did it’ from the Science Is Always Settled brigade….

SAMURAI
January 10, 2018 11:57 am

CAGW advicates’ feigned ignorance of clouds’ impact on climate is their get-out-of-jail-free card.

All IPCC’s AR reports carefully mention that climate models ensembles can’t simulating cloud cover, and even express uncertainty of whether clouds have a net warming or net cooling effect on earth’s climate.. (settled science, anyone?)

When the CAGW hypothesis is finally tossed on the trash heap of failed ideas, and Congrssional and Senate Hearings are held to determine why $trillions were wasted on CAGW, former CAGW advocates will blame their “ignorance” of cloud dynamics for CAGW’s demise…

Plausible deniability is already baked in the cake..

Joel Snider
January 10, 2018 12:02 pm

Sigh. The simplest mechanisms.
I’ve tried to explain this sort of thing to some of my green-indoctrinated friends in just these terms – greenhouse gases are a moderating effect – they warm up a cold day, and cool off a warm day – simply by blocking the sun. (Insert Joni Mitchell lyrics).
Nice to see some of these studies catching up to the simple observations of a layman.

MarkW
Reply to  Joel Snider
January 10, 2018 1:42 pm

Almost all of the energy from the sun arrives as visible light. CO2 doesn’t block any of that.

Yogi Bear
Reply to  MarkW
January 10, 2018 3:51 pm

Around 49% of the heating effect of the Sun is in the non visible near infrared, water vapour absorbs lots of it.

Reply to  MarkW
January 10, 2018 4:01 pm

But but GHG water vapor condenses to clouds that give me some shade here in PI. I have seen it with my own eyes!

toorightmate
Reply to  MarkW
January 10, 2018 8:53 pm

Gladys,
Just because you have seen it, doesn’t mean that it’s true.

bw
Reply to  MarkW
January 10, 2018 9:40 pm

The solar energy spectrum is about 10 percent ultraviolet, 40 percent visible and 50 percent infrared.
Most of the UV is absorbed by the ozone layer, so the solar spectrum at the surface of the Earth is about
2 percent UV, 48 percent visible and 50 percent infrared.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultraviolet

Joel Snider
Reply to  MarkW
January 12, 2018 12:19 pm

‘Almost all of the energy from the sun arrives as visible light. CO2 doesn’t block any of that.’

I should specified water vapor, not C02, which in the form of clouds, is a semi-tangible object that causes shade, physically blocking sunlight – water vapor being the primary greenhouse gas.

Just a quibble.

Yogi Bear
Reply to  MarkW
January 14, 2018 9:08 am

Water vapour alone blocks considerable amounts of solar near infrared from reaching the surface, because it has big absorption bands in the near infrared.

Reply to  Joel Snider
January 10, 2018 4:04 pm

/www.tripadvisor.com/LocationPhotoDirectLink-g51867-d3661743-i168484673-South_Jetty_County_Park-Florence_Oregon.html

Good cloud pic; “both sides” (ignore the ad)

January 10, 2018 12:15 pm

Dad?
Yes Son.
I’m thinking about possible career choices, have you any advice or suggestions?
Well, have you considered Cloud Modelling?

willhaas
January 10, 2018 12:20 pm

The fact that there are a plethora of different models that the IPCC supports is evidence that a lot of guess work is involved. Until th IPCC comes out and states which model is correct we can only conclude that all of the models are wrong and hence do not provide reliable results. In general the models all beg the question becaue CO2 based warming is hard coded in. The reality is that there is no real evidence that CO2 has any effect on climate and plenty of scientific rational to support the idea that the climate sensivity of CO2 is zero.

Joe
Reply to  willhaas
January 11, 2018 4:42 am

If you have an infinite number of models you’ll always be right!

Paul
Reply to  Joe
January 11, 2018 9:52 am

“If you have an infinite number of models you’ll always be right!”

Not necessarily. What if they all give the same wrong answer?

Joe Wagner
Reply to  Joe
January 11, 2018 2:14 pm

@ Paul- You’ll never make a “Climate Researcher”! Its nature that’s wrong, not the models!!!

January 10, 2018 12:24 pm

“The researchers report in the journal Nature Communications Dec. 22 that models tend to factor in too much of the sun’s daily heat, which results in warmer, drier conditions than might actually occur.”

But didnt the models predict all of these colder, wetter conditions as part of global warming?? They keep telling us how accurate the models are…

“…not accurately capturing the daily cloud cycle has the sun bombarding Earth with an extra 1-2 watts of energy per square meter. The increased carbon dioxide in the atmosphere since the start of the Industrial Age is estimated to produce an extra 3.7 watts of energy per square meter. “The error here is half of that, so in that sense it becomes substantial,” Porporato said.”

Ya think?? Does Trenberth know about this?? 🙂

Caligula Jones
January 10, 2018 12:35 pm

List of things that CAGW priests say aren’t important enough to study because they don’t understand them and therefore can’t be studied because they can’t possibly be important enough to study to try to understand because shut up:

1) the sun
2) clouds
3) etc.

January 10, 2018 12:35 pm

Here’s the link to the paper:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-017-02369-4

They did cite one of Ramanathan’s papers, but not his 1991 paper, and they never mentioned either Eschenbach or Lindzen. I wonder if they’d even heard of Willis’ work?
https://www.sealevel.info/feedbacks.html#tropicalsst

Reply to  daveburton
January 10, 2018 2:33 pm

daveburton, thank you for the link. Not behind a paywall.

Brett Keane
Reply to  daveburton
January 10, 2018 11:19 pm

In the interests of accuracy, it needs to be noted that Willis did not invent the cloud hypothesis, but he made a good deduction all the same. Many of us have been the ‘first person we know’ to make a deduction, but the world turns out to be a bigger place than we thought. Doesn’t take anything away from the actual achievement though……

Brett Keane
Reply to  Brett Keane
January 10, 2018 11:21 pm

I should have written ‘thunderstorm hypothesis’.

Reply to  Brett Keane
January 11, 2018 10:54 am

Brett Keane January 10, 2018 at 11:19 pm

In the interests of accuracy, it needs to be noted that Willis did not invent the cloud hypothesis, but he made a good deduction all the same.

In the interests of accuracy, as far as I know I was the first to suggest that the TIMING of the daily emergence of the tropical cumulus field and thunderstorms are crucial to the global temperature regulation … just as this paper confirms.

Also in the interests of accuracy, when you accuse a man of not inventing something, it’s common courtesy to point out who you think DID invent it …

w.

Reply to  Brett Keane
January 11, 2018 4:50 pm

Ramanathan and Collins (1991) and Lindzen (2001) both investigated mechanisms involving cirrus clouds. Willis’s investigation involved the timing of afternoon thunderstorm formation. Cirrus clouds and thunderheads are very different.

Michael Jankowski
January 10, 2018 1:14 pm

“…models tend to factor in too much of the sun’s daily heat, which results in warmer, drier conditions than might actually occur. The researchers found that inaccuracies in accounting for the diurnal, or daily, cloud cycle did not seem to invalidate climate projections…”

Well the climate projections already run too warm, and when corrected for this failure, they’ll run even warmer. How much more invalidated can you get?

Brett Keane
Reply to  Michael Jankowski
January 10, 2018 11:23 pm

Never have been validated, we should remember.

Mark Harrison
January 10, 2018 1:18 pm

This is yet another example of the sky is falling crowd trying to justify their existence. There is no correlation between carbon dioxide and global warming. There is no global warming. There is weather. And there is a bunch of left wing elitist do holders who want to save is from ourselves. I don’t want to be saved I want to be left alone. Your study is just one more example of junk science and fake news. Please go away.

Steve Zell
January 10, 2018 1:53 pm

Maybe the geniuses who wrote many of the climate models have never heard of “fair-weather cumulus” clouds.

These are clouds that form during generally sunny weather in spring or summer. Away from a storm or weather front that results in totally overcast skies, a day can dawn with totally clear skies, but by late morning, small cumulus clouds tend to form (from upward convection of warm, humid air due to solar heating, which can form clouds when the temperature of the surrounding air reaches its dew point). These clouds tend to grown larger and more numerous around midday and early afternoon, then start to disperse in late afternoon when the lower sun angle no longer produces enough vertical convection to replenish the moisture in the clouds. By sunset, very few of these clouds are left.

Since clouds tend to cool the surface during daylight hours by reflecting sunlight, but help to retain heat at night, failure to take into account “fair-weather cumulus” clouds will neglect an important cooling effect during generally sunny, dry days, but clear skies at night would allow maximum cooling. These clouds also tend to be most prevalent from late morning to mid-afternoon, when sun angles are relatively high, and they can reflect the most energy away from the earth’s surface.

Many weather stations have hourly measurements of cloud cover (eighths or tenths of the sky covered by clouds). It would not be too difficult to use these measurements to estimate cloud cover as a function of local time for generally sunny days, and estimate the amount of sunlight reflected by the clouds. But since that would make the models predict LESS warming and a less frightening future, such effects are ignored in climate models, because the goal is to BE AFRAID, BE VERY AFRAID.

January 10, 2018 2:32 pm

From the abstract: While this model tuning does not seem to invalidate climate
projections because of the limited DCC response to global warming, it may potentially
increase the uncertainty of climate predictions.

That is a curiously worded sentence. Nearly everyone gets the implication that the model error may lead to overprediction of warming, but the sentence focuses instead on the change in diurnal cloud cover that is consequent on warming.

Latitude
Reply to  matthewrmarler
January 10, 2018 6:28 pm

looks like they just said climate projections are ok…..and climate predictions are even more uncertain
…I have no idea what they mean by projections and predictions…thought it was the same thing

paqyfelyc
Reply to  Latitude
January 11, 2018 2:59 am

Difference between projections and predictions:
When I project a thing through the window, I predict it will eventually fall down.
Except if it is money.

ScottM
Reply to  Latitude
January 11, 2018 9:40 am

One can project a trend by extending it. A specific outcome at a specific future time would be a prediction, but that outcome is determined by the trend plus fluctuation. Thus, predictions are inherently more difficult. (This is why we can’t accurately predict weather more than a couple of weeks out, but can project climate trends — with short-term fluctuations smoothed away — decades out.)

Editor
January 10, 2018 3:18 pm

The increased carbon dioxide in the atmosphere since the start of the Industrial Age is estimated to produce an extra 3.7 watts of energy per square meter.“. Isn’t 3.7 the figure for doubled CO2? If so then their finding is even more important, because CO2 isn’t anywhere near doubling yet.

Svend Ferdinandsen
Reply to  Mike Jonas
January 10, 2018 3:41 pm

It is ok with this 3.7W/m2, but they forget that the Earth has warmed up since then and radiates nearly the same amount more. What if they made a balance now, with the existing CO2 and the existing temperature?

Reply to  Mike Jonas
January 10, 2018 6:17 pm

I agree, Mike. It is usually calculated that doubling atmospheric CO2 (e.g., an increase from 285 ppmv to 570 ppmv) would be a climate “radiative forcing” equivalent to about a 3.7±0.4 W/m² increase in ground level irradiance, before feedbacks, though Prof. Will Happer has found evidence that CO2’s forcing is commonly overestimated by about 40%.

bw
Reply to  Mike Jonas
January 10, 2018 9:11 pm

Right. The 3.7 watts per square meter claim is false. The number is from model claims for sensitivity for doubled CO2 with positive water feedback. The measured change in watts per square meter at the surface from 300 ppm to 400 ppm is zero. Satellite measured outgoing longwave radiation has not changed since 1979.

paqyfelyc
Reply to  bw
January 11, 2018 3:05 am

@bw
To be fair, the GHG theory do NOT pretend that outgoing longwave radiation would change. It would just stay the same, the increase in surface temperature resulting only from the higher average emission altitude (combine it with lapse rate, and you get higher surface temperature).

Michael Jankowski
January 10, 2018 5:05 pm

Global warming/climate change can do practically anything it seems.

Ironically, climate models can’t do anything.

Michael Carter
January 10, 2018 6:10 pm

Over 100 models by (I suspect) 200 + “climate scientists” and they all (but one apparently) are grossly wrong. This should be the scandal of the millennium. How many research $’s went down the gurglar? If this form of group think and collusion occurred in the finance industry heads would roll. Its a disgrace.

There is a BIG lesson here for future generations

m

paqyfelyc
Reply to  Michael Carter
January 11, 2018 3:06 am

+1
And it took them 20 years to figure out this basic flaw…

bitchilly
January 10, 2018 6:15 pm

does this mean there wasn’t any “missing” heat at all then ? if so, was the karl paper just a pile of junk like i originally assumed ?

Richard Petschauer
January 10, 2018 8:41 pm

I do not understand what has to do with climate sensitivity to changes in CO2 content. The 2 watts/m^2 stays the same it seems. The climate models error is in underestimating the negative feedback of increased ocean evaporation causing more clouds. Besides loss solar energy to the surface, more radiation to space from latent heat transferred to clouds. And the atmospheric window from high clouds is much higher because of reduced water vapor content. Climate models have evaporation increase at only about 3%/C rather that 6%/C
from simple theory. The reason: they overestimate absolute humidity change with temperature.

Leitwolf
January 10, 2018 9:13 pm

Well I once checked the daily “cloud cycle” for myself, based on a huge data set of NCEI. So it is the USA only, but I’d very surprised if it looked much different on a global scale.

http://i736.photobucket.com/albums/xx10/Oliver25/clouds%20daytime.png

And as we are talking about clouds, there is something much more important. It is the essential question if clouds are cooling or heating over all. I know, that both sides are pretty much relying on the believe that clouds would be cooling the planet.
The skeptics like to argue, that a (likely) increase in cloud cover due to increased temperatures, would counter the heating thus be a negative feedback. For the apologetic position however cooling clouds are mandatory to argue even the GHE itself. If clouds had a neutral or even heating effect, there would not be much left over for GHGs to do. Anyhow..

So what I wanted to find out is, what temperatures are given the cloud condition.The data provided by the NCEI hereto are anything but perfect, and would deserve a lengthy discussion, which I will skip for the time being. The result looks like this:

http://i736.photobucket.com/albums/xx10/Oliver25/cloud%20temp%20adj_1.png

Clear and overcast skies are the coldest situations, the highest temperatures are yielded with intermediate cloudiness. Otherwise the curve is almost symmetric. But there are a couple of things to note here.
1. Rain-chill. Rain, as it comes from high above is cold and will drop temperatures quite quickly (depending on the prevalent temperature). It is a well observable phenomenon. But rain is correlated to strong levels cloudiness and therefor is lowering the average temperature in these situations.
2. Air pressure. Air pressure will have an impact on temperatures, because of the adiabatic lapse rate. As air pressure is also related to cloudiness, we have another bias here.
3. The NCEI data only provide information on clouds up to 12.000ft (because it is about aviation). It is being argued however, that high clouds would have a much stronger GHE than low clouds. If that is so, we will have another bias.

All 3 points of which mean, that temperatures will be relatively lower with strong cloudiness because of other reasons than their radial impact. In other words, these data suggest, that clouds must have a heating, not a cooling effect.

bw
Reply to  Leitwolf
January 10, 2018 9:50 pm

Daytime clouds reflect sunlight, the surface heating rate is reduced.
Night clouds absorb OLR, the surface cooling rate is reduced.

paqyfelyc
Reply to  Leitwolf
January 11, 2018 3:45 am

Nice data for USA, but the important data is rather tropical area than whole USA, and ocean rather than land. And I would be very surprised if it looks the same as USA.

paqyfelyc
Reply to  Leitwolf
January 11, 2018 4:03 am

” these data suggest, that clouds must have a heating, not a cooling effect.”
Clouds are the main part of Earth albedo, without them Earth would receive ~20% more energy. Huge cooling effect.
On the other hand, clouds are part of the water cycle, which has a huge dampening effect on temperature, and yields a higher average temperature, because of 4th power law of radiation. Water reduce temperature (in summer, at day time) by turning into steam, and increase it (at night, in winter) by turning from steam to liquid or even ice. And it transports heat from hot place (tropics) to cold one (poles).
All in all, clouds are neither cooling nor heating the Earth, the are a huge negative feedback that stabilize the temperature to it current level

Leitwolf
Reply to  Leitwolf
January 11, 2018 2:37 pm

Btw. I forgot to name the 4th point despite highlighting it explicitly. As the diurnal pattern shows, we have “peak cloudiness” during the coldest daytime in the morning, while temperatures will be much higher at dusk.

adrian smits
January 10, 2018 10:20 pm

Alright if climate modeling is way to much on the high side why don’t realists start creating models that look more accurate than the current mess? Wouldn’t that give the first modeler to do that some instant cred?

paqyfelyc
Reply to  adrian smits
January 11, 2018 4:06 am

realists know that climate modeling just produce garbage, because chaos.

January 10, 2018 10:55 pm

Okay, who can tell me how the GCMs “handle” clouds? Is cloud cover calculated from first principles, based on temperature, pressure, wind velocity and humidity? Or is it estimated stochasticaly, using historical cloud data, and then imposed on the grid? Or somewhere in between?

paqyfelyc
Reply to  jorgekafkazar
January 11, 2018 4:26 am

GCM handle clouds like they handle everything:
Remember it is just impossible to calculate climate, this sort of chaotic things run amok in no time. Even a perfect model would only result in something observed in recent time, like a really green Greenland or frozen Thames most of winters, depending on the run. Useless for the purpose.
That’s were “anomaly” enter: we know the whole thing is not linear, but let’s use the linear tool nonetheless.
You take recent historical data (clouds or whatever), add some forcing, pretend you know how it turns into more of this and less of that (” temperature, pressure, wind velocity and humidity”, and voilà: you get, among other things, a new cloud cover, slightly different from the historical data you began with.

January 11, 2018 12:18 am

Really all this talk to say ‘climate models are currently not fit for purpose’ or in the vernacular:

Climate Models Suck.

pbweather
January 11, 2018 1:55 am

I wonder how long it will be before this study is dismissed because it was done by engineers not climate scientists who will say leave it to the “experts”?

January 11, 2018 4:57 am

So if they include this new data in the models and rerun them backwards from matching current measured temperatures won’t the models be running cool at the original start point as at that point there was already elelvated CO2?

January 11, 2018 6:47 am

This Nature paper fits well with my Energy and Environment paper:
DOI: 10.1177/0958305X16686488
Blog version at http://climatesense-norpag.blogspot.com/2017/02/the-coming-cooling-usefully-accurate_17.html
See for example Fig 11comment image
Fig.11 Tropical cloud cover and global air temperature (29)
“The global millennial temperature rising trend seen in Fig11 (29) from 1984 to the peak and trend inversion point in the Hadcrut3 data at 2003/4 is the inverse correlative of the Tropical Cloud Cover fall from 1984 to the Millennial trend change at 2002. The lags in these trends from the solar activity peak at 1991-Fig 10 – are 12 and 11 years respectively. These correlations suggest possible teleconnections between the GCR flux, clouds and global temperatures.
By contrast, the lag between the solar activity peak at 1991 and the Arctic sea ice volume minimum is 21 years (30). It is simple and natural to correlate the cycle 22 low in the neutron count (high solar activity) in 1991 with the millennial temperature peak and trend inversion in the RSS in 2003 with the solar activity 1991 Golden Spike, and to project forward a probable general temperature decline for the coming decades and centuries. Lags differ between data sets because of the real geographical area differences, proxy data point selection differences and instrumental differences between different proxy time series. ”
See also Fig10
.”……….it is reasonable to conclude that the solar activity millennial maximum peaked with a solar activity “Golden Spike” in Cycle 22 at about 1991.comment image
Fig. 10 Oulu Neutron Monitor data (27)
The connection between solar “activity” and climate is poorly understood and highly controversial. Solar “activity” encompasses changes in solar magnetic field strength, IMF, GCRs, TSI, EUV, solar wind density and velocity, CMEs, proton events, etc. The idea of using the neutron count and the 10Be record as the most useful proxy for changing solar activity and temperature forecasting is agnostic as to the physical mechanisms involved. Having said that, however, it seems likely that the three main solar activity related climate drivers are the changing GCR flux – via the changes in cloud cover and natural aerosols (optical depth), the changing EUV radiation producing top down effects via the Ozone layer, and the changing TSI – especially on millennial and centennial scales. The effect on observed emergent behaviors i.e. global temperature trends of the combination of these solar drivers will vary non-linearly depending on the particular phases of the eccentricity, obliquity and precession orbital cycles at any particular time convolved with the phases of the millennial, centennial and decadal solar activity cycles and changes in the earth’s magnetic field. Because of the thermal inertia of the oceans there is a varying lag between the solar activity peak and the corresponding peak in the different climate metrics. There is a 13+/- year delay between the solar activity “Golden Spike” 1991 peak and the millennial cyclic “Golden Spike” temperature peak seen in the RSS data at 2003 in Fig. 4. It has been independently estimated that there is about a 12-year lag between the cosmic ray flux and the temperature data – Fig. 3 in Usoskin (28). “

chino780
January 11, 2018 6:41 pm

Isn’t this essentially Richard Lindzen’s “Iris” Theory?