While the journal still has not released the Supplementary information (SI) file for the Harvey et al. paper, viewable here. I have a copy of the SI here that lists the blogs used (45 on each side of the issue) and the methodology. After some prodding on his blog and on Twitter, co-author Bart Verheggen released it.
I offer it here in full for analysis and commentary, without comment of my own. That will come later. A PDF of it is also available, see the bottom of this post – Anthony
Supplementary information (Harvey et al. 2017)
Blogs used for this study.
A total of 90 blogs discussing AGW, and both Arctic ice extent and polar bears were found on the internet using the Google search engine, although some were already known to the first author. The internal search engines of the found blogs and site-restricted Google searches were used to evaluate blog content and score their positions on six statements as described in the main manuscript. Citation of Susan Crockford was also recorded. Blogs were assigned ‘science-based’ and ‘denier’ categories on the basis of their positions taken relative to those drawn by the IPCC on global warming (e.g. whether it is warming or not and the anthropogenic contribution). The assignment was confirmed by creating a distance matrix from the scores using absolute distance (Manhattan distance) and performing a hierarchical cluster analysis on the result (Ward.D2 method from R 3.3.3, R Core Team, 2017). Both methods yielded two large clusters with identical content. Some blogs expressed positive responses to multiple questions (e.g. Arctic ice is declining but it is due to natural forcings) therefore the total number of hits for a statement can be larger than the total number of blogs in a category. Blog entries until June 20, 2017 were used.
AGW supporting science-based blogs used for Figures 1 and 2.
A Walk On The Natural Side (http://perhapsallnatural.blogspot.nl)
Advocacy for Animals (http://advocacy.britannica.com/blog/advocacy/)
Carbonbrief (http://www.carbonbrief.org/)
Churchill Polar Bears (http://churchillpolarbears.org/)
Climate Change: The Next Generation (http://climatechangepsychology.blogspot.nl) Climate Feedback (http://blogs.nature.com/)
Climate Plus (http://www.climateplus.info/)
Climate Science Watch (http://www.climatesciencewatch.org/)
Cool Green Science (http://blog.nature.org/science/)
David Suzuki Foundation (http://www.davidsuzuki.org/blogs/)
Defenders of Wildlife (http://www.defenders.org/)
Discovery Kids (http://discoverykids.com/)
Deep Climate (http://deepclimate.org/)
Dot Earth (http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/)
EcoInternet (http://ecointernet.org/)
Encounters Alaska (http://www.encountersnorth.org/index.htm)
Frontiersnorth (https://frontiersnorth.com/blog/)
Gizmodo (http://gizmodo.com/)
GO3 Project (http://www.go3project.com/)
Greendustries Blog (http://greendustriesblog.com/)
GreenFacts (https://www.greenfacts.org/)
Grist (http://grist.org/)
Heat is Online (http://www.heatisonline.org/)
National Wildlife Federation (http://www.nwf.org/)
Phys Org (http://phys.org/)
Planet 3.0 (http://planet3.org/)
PLoS Blogs (http://blogs.plos.org/models/)
Polar Bears International (http://www.polarbearsinternational.org)
Scholar and Rogues (https://scholarsandrogues.com/)
ScienceDaily (https://www.sciencedaily.com/)
Scientific American Blog (https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/)
Skeptical Science: https://www.skepticalscience.com/
The Corkboard Blog (http://naturalexposures.com/)
The Frog That Jumped Out (http://thefrogthatjumpedout.blogspot.nl/)
TheGreenGrok (http://blogs.nicholas.duke.edu/)
The Way Things Break (https://thingsbreak.wordpress.com/) Thin Ice Blog (http://arctic.blogs.panda.org/)
Think Progress (http://thinkprogress.org/)
Tom Dispatch (http://www.tomdispatch.com/)
UMass Blog (https://www.umass.edu/it/blogs)
Wildscreen Arkive (http://www.arkive.org/)
World Wildlife Fund Canada (http://www.wwf.ca/)
Yale Climate Connections (http://www.yaleclimateconnections.org/)
Yale Environment 360 (http://e360.yale.edu/)
York Blog (http://www.yorkblog.com/)
AGW denying blogs used for Figures 1 and 2.
Blog entries until February 3, 2017 were used (all accessed on 3 February, 2017 along with blog histories). Blogs marked with an asterisk refer to those primarily using the Polar Bear Science blog (of Dr. Susan Crockford) as their main supporting reference.
*American Thinker (http://www.americanthinker.com/)
*Bishop Hill (http://bishophill.squarespace.com/)
Bjorn Lomborg (http://www.lomborg.com/)
*Breitbart (http://www.breitbart.com/)
*Climate Change Dispatch (http://www.climatechangedispatch.com/)
*Climate Depot (http://www.climatedepot.com/)
*C Fact (http://www.cfact.org/)
*Climategate (http://climategate.nl/)
*Climate Lessons (http://climatelessons.blogspot.nl/)
Climate Sanity (https://climatesanity.wordpress.com/)
*Climatism (https://climatism.wordpress.com/)
C02 coalition (http://co2coalition.org/)
*Daily Caller (http://dailycaller.com/)
*Fix This Nation (http://www.fixthisnation.com/)
*Friends of Science (http://www.friendsofscience.org/)
*Gateway Pundit (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/)
*Global Climate Science Scam (http://www.globalclimatescam.com/)
*Greenie Watch (http://antigreen.blogspot.nl/)
*GWPF (http://www.thegwpf.org/)
*Hockey Schtick (http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.nl/)
*Ice Age Now (https://www.iceagenow.com/)
*International Climate Science Coalition (http://www.climatescienceinternational.org/)
*Junkscience (http://junkscience.com/)
Jennifer Marohasy (http://jennifermarohasy.com/)
New Zealand Climate Science Coalition (http://www.climatescience.org.nz/)
*No Frakking Consensus (http://nofrakkingconsensus.com/)
*Not a lot of people know that (https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/)
*Notrickszone (http://notrickszone.com/)
*Polar Bear Science (http://polarbearscience.com/)
*Powerline (http://www.powerlineblog.com/)
*Principia Scientific (http://www.principia-scientific.org/)
*Quixotes Last Stand (https://quixoteslaststand.com/)
Real Science (https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/)
Resilient Earth (http://theresilientearth.com/)
Scottish Sceptic (http://scottishsceptic.co.uk/)
Skeptic’s Corner: http://jer-skepticscorner.blogspot.nl/)
*SPPI (http://sppiblog.org/)
*Tall Bloke (https://tallbloke.wordpress.com/)
*The Daily Caller: http://dailycaller.com/
The Rational Optimist (http://www.rationaloptimist.com/blog/)
* The View From Here (https://hro001.wordpress.com/)
*Tom Nelson (http://tomnelson.blogspot.nl/)
*Tom Remington (http://tomremington.com/)
*Watts Up With That (http://wattsupwiththat.com/)
World Climate Report (http://www.worldclimatereport.com/)
Methods for the Principal component analysis (PCA, Figure 2)
A broad keyword search on the internet and the ISI Web of Science database yielded 90 blogs (described above) and 92 peer reviewed papers reporting on both Polar bears and arctic ice. Author’s positions in papers were scored in in same “position space” defined by binary answers to the six statements formulated in the main papers and citation of Dr. Susan Crockford as an expert. Missing values were replaced by zero after scaling and centering to minimize the influence of the replacement. The final data matrix contained the sources in the rows and the scores in the columns. The PCA was conducted using the prcomp routine from R
3.3.3 (R Core Team, 2017). Papers were classified as controversial when they evoked critical comments and discussion in the peer reviewed literature., blogs were colour coded using the results of a hierarchical cluster analysis (Ward.D2 method from R 3.3.3, R Core Team, 2017). Datapoint were slightly jittered to improve visibility of overlapping points.
R Core Team (2017). R: A language and environment for statistical computing. R Foundation for Statistical Computing, Vienna, Austria. URL https://www.R-project.org/.
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A PDF of this SI: harvey-et-al-bioscience-2017-supplementary-information
UPDATE: Dr. Richard Tol advises in comments that the data from Harvey et al. is now available, here: http://datadryad.org/resource/doi:10.5061/dryad.v652r
Also, some formatting corrections were made to this post, to fix double spaces and line doubling in the list of websites, which were artifacts of the PDF to HTML conversion. – Anthony
Within sixty seconds of opening the file, I noticed that they double-counted The Daily Caller and only actually have 44 “AGW denying blogs”. Congrats, peer reviewers.
Confirmed. They have it listed as “Daily Caller” and “The Daily Caller” in the SI.
Did they have Caller, Daily; Caller, The Daily; etc. 🙂
Yes, I noticed that AND Goddard’s site is linked to his old site, ‘RealScience,’ instead of of his new one, ‘RealClimateScience.’
Peer review is broken.
It’s sad to think that rubbish like this and the “consensus project” cooked up by Cook and Nuccitelli is what is referred to by the alarmists as peer reviewed scientific “literature”.
On the upside, it does indicate the level of desperation being felt by the junk scientists that they resort to such junk publishing.
The world is getting wise to their antics, hopefully.
Jay.
Broken or a rigged game?
Did you notice that they had Discovery Kids as a science blog as well.
We need new terms for Warmists. Given current media focus, if we are called Deniers, I suggest they be called Data Molesters, and Climate-Model Fiddlers and Gropers.
The best counterpoint name (because it rhymes) is wolf-criers.
That makes up for not designating my website http://landscapesandcycles.net/blind-polar-bear-researchers.html as denying AGW
JS, perhaps not an oversight. They are arguing that skeptics are scientifically ignorant, and even made that claim indirectly about Susan concerningnpolar bears. Well, you are obviously scientifically literate plus a skeptic. Won’t do. Might lead their gullible readers to your excellent book. Best they pretend you and your blog do not exist.
Jim ==> Try not to be hurt….I hate being left out of Climate Deniers lists too….makes me feel ineffective. I have had the pleasure of being slimmed by some of the AGW Ad Hom character assaination blogs — that cheered me up.
Reason could be from Google Ranking since they depended on the Google search engine to pull their lists
ristvan
Sorry mate, as you know, I’m not scientifically literate. I’m also not a murderer, a rapist, a thief, a child molester, a vandal, a drunk driver, a con man or a drug dealer.
But I have caught and helped convict all of the above on more than one occasion, and many more, too numerous to mention. Some of them with scientific qualifications, all extremely good at their chosen crime.
So I can smell a rat.
It doesn’t take an expert in science to know when scientists are lying, concocting a story, and framing an innocent party. Actually, with training it’s quite easy.
This attack on Susan Crockford does nothing but discredit science itself. It is, from a rat catching perspective, clumsy, vindictive, simplistic, erroneous and unscientific.
Were scientific debate not, quite rightly, excluded from criminal proceedings, I would have taken great delight in helping to convict her assailants and have them suffer draconian punishment.
In this case, public humiliation in the stocks, sadly gone, long before my time. A public caning might also be a reasonable alternative.
@Rud Istvan
All good scientists are skeptics, but not all skeptics are good scientists. And some are not scientists at all, but just uneducated amateurs who imagine they are scientists, but lack the expertise and comprehension to understand the depth of their ignorance.
Jim,
I have to tell you that the point in your book about not meeting your neighbours down the supermarket for several years and therefore concluding they were dead is one of the best, poignant and funniest things ever written in this sorry saga of CAGW and polar bears. My son and I were in tears of laughter and it still makes us smile even now!
Great book, keep it up!
Regards,
TS
Hi Jim,
On the page you linked, the title at the top says “Cimate” where I believe you meant to put “Climate.”
Well, at least they spelled “Principal”, correctly here. In the peer reviewed paper, the authors, reviewers and editors had it “Principle”. (Principal Component Analysis)
Not just once, but both times they mentioned PCA….
HT Richard Tol….
And they called me Dr. Susan Crockford (only once though)
Didn’t Michael Mann use Principal Components Analysis to generate his hockey schtick?
Are blogs found using Google ( and categorised as ‘AGW supporting’ or ‘AGW denying’ more or less reliable than tree rings selected for their ‘temperature’ indication as against water supply.
Have to teach Michael Mann that Principal is your “pal” as in High School Principal…
He needs to retake HS courses…
prin·ci·ple
ˈprinsəpəl/Submit
noun
1. a fundamental truth or proposition that serves as the foundation for a system of belief or behavior or for a chain of reasoning.
“the basic principles of Christianity”
2. a fundamental source or basis of something.
“the first principle of all things was water”
Principal
[prin-suh-puh l]
adjective
1. first or highest in rank, importance, value, etc.; chief; foremost.
2. of, of the nature of, or constituting principal or capital:
a principal investment.
3. Geometry. (of an axis of a conic) passing through the foci.
noun
4. a chief or head.
5. the head or director of a school or, especially in England, a college.
6. a person who takes a leading part in any activity, as a play; chief actor or doer
Yes, Mann used PCA. It’s a form of fraud even before you get into the details.
Everyone who hadn’t reviewed the hockey stick paper (1998) reasonably assumed that the graph represented the average of the input data, and so indicated the average climate. But in fact the graph is derived from PCA, which is completely different. It is not an average. To pretend that it was an average was deceitful at best, and in a sense fraudulent.
In his analysis, Steve McIntyre took all the proxies and took a simple average of the data. Needless to say, it looked completely different. There was no hockey stick and there was a pronounced Medieval warming.
In short, Mann and his followers used PCA to fool the world.
Chris
The one thing PCA isn’t is ‘Principled’.
you would be wrong if you think Crockford is the only/primary target..
– ie – main text of ‘paper’
Watts Up With That (WUWT), which consistently denies AGW and/or threats linked to it, is described as “perhaps the most visited climate website in the world,” with “more than two million unique views a month” (Pearce 2010). Other AGW-denying blogs, such as Climate Depot (CD) and Junk Science (JS), are not far behind. Many denier blogs exist and, because of cross-linking, form a large echo chamber, making them what one journalist described as “foot soldiers of AGW denial”
these are the real targets… (as was Moon Hoax, Fury (both of them) Alice paper, etc,etc)
I hadn’t quite noted how littered the paper is with ‘denier’ . ‘denier blog’ references.
oh and this..
“Despite the growing evidence in support of AGW, these blogs continue to aggressively deny the causes and/or the projected effects of AGW and to personally attack scientists who publish peer-reviewed research in the field with the aim of fomenting doubt to maintain the consensus gap.”
I hear Mann and Lewandowsky’s whinging – and their ‘framing’ – science under attack, less data transparency, etc.
This illustrates the kind of prejudicial language used in an attempt to reverse the truth and is another example of pathological projection. It’s really the skeptic blogs that are science conforming and the alarmist blogs that are science denying. It’s also misleading to claim that skeptical blogs don’t agree with AGW. Most scientists on both sides agree that AGW is finite and non zero. The controversy is about the absurd magnitude of the AGW effect claimed by the IPCC that turns AGW into CAGW.
Yes, the prejudicial wording of “Blogs were assigned ‘science-based’ and ‘denier’ categories on the basis of their positions taken relative to those drawn by the IPCC on global warming” clearly eliminates any objectiveness by the authors.
Yes, the message is “it’s only science if you agree with my position.”
Worse than nonsense.
I particularly find their use of the term “science-denier” rather ludicrous.
‘science denier’ is not just lust ludicrous, it is self contradictory. “denying” science is equivalent to denying the Law of Gravity. Deny all you want, it doesn’t change gravity a bit.
NW sage – no such thing!
Everyone who knows me will tell you that I am a clumsy person.
Well, I’m tired of those baseless attacks. I have been very busy lately watching things fall, and making the appropriate adjustments and homogenizations for the observed effects. I also found 97 people that are in agreement with me.
There is no gravity! I am not clumsy! Things go from my hands to the floor due to anthropogenic magnetic attraction!
“Pathological projection” kinda sums up the modern socialist culture. Perhaps far in the future, this time will be referred to as “The Age of Pathological Projection”.
No it will be known as “the beginning of the 2nd dark age.”
they just turning their selfies inside out
This century’s Eugenics.
and “Fossil Fools”.
Every time somebody condenses the truth into a short statement, I am happy to quote them. And agree.
Am I right in thinking that the ‘C’ in CAGW has never been defined? Examples are given of some generally bad things that might happen / are happening but are they really catastrophic? Perhaps we could at least roughly size it by comparing it with the insurance premium that is being paid to stop it happening. Dr Lomborg estimates that the world will be spending something between $1trillion and $2trillion a year between now and the end of the century to implement the Paris agreement. When you think of the good work that Bill Gates is doing with a few 10s of billions of dollars over a number of years in combating malaria, etc in Africa, what could we do with 100 times that amount of money, every year?? Wiping out all poverty and pretty much all disease in Africa? Saving 10s of millions of lives every year? Boosting education and productivity, transforming world GDP? If this starts to give some measure of what catastrophic means, then, I am sorry, whether polar bear populations have grown from 5,000 to 25,000 or are actually declining is not in the same ball park.
Pat,
Yes, the biggest catastrophe is the wasted money attempting to mitigate a problem that can’t exist without violating the known laws of radiative and thermodynamic physics.
It is my general impression that the C in CAGW was originally believed to be anything > 3 K. Then around 2007-2008 with AR4 it went to >/= 2 K. Now in desperation its >1.5 K. They have to keep lowering the bar as the lower limit error bar on climate model sensitivities decrease to maintain some semblance of observation concordance.
If a phenomena will cause massive disruption, loss of life, economic meltdown, massive sea level rise, mass extinctions and leave the poles as the only place for a few breeding pairs to survive, sulphuric acid rain… I don’t really think it needs much more in the way of a definition.
That really puts the c into agw
Bill Gates ain’t necessarily the honest climate broker and intellectual saint you think he is.
Bill Gates: We Need Socialism To Save The Planet
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/11/we-need-an-energy-miracle/407881/
But his expenditures on fuel gobbling yachts to get away it all sure is impressive.
His current Mega-Yacht is priced at around $330 million, there are many credible reports he has contracted with Wally Hermes Yacht and CunardLines to produce a $1.3 to 1.4 Billion dollar masterpiece.
PS, I had some fun defining the C in CAGW in several essays in ebook Blowing Smoke. All with footnotes. Malaria in Central Park, locust plagues, famines,… even Hansen’s prediction that NYC West Side Parkway would be under water by now. Bit of a missing C even after dissecting various tipping points.
I’ve met quite a few “environmentalists” who declare that any change, if it is caused by man, is catastrophic.
reading the list of references to support the pca analysis it is easy to see where much of the wasted money goes. hard to believe so much tax payer cash is spent on some of that utter dross. all those years of education and that is the result, deary me.
Pat Smith – December 5, 2017 at 2:48 pm
Pat, until recently, there never was a need or reason for the ‘C’ in CAGW to be defined, explained or excuses offered for its use.
The literal fact is, the ‘C’ in CAGW is the abbreviated descriptor for CO2 for explicitly defining the EXACT CAUSE of the specific type of anthropogenic [global] warming (AGW) being discussed.
Pat, ……. “heat islands” are another defined cause of anthropogenic [global] warming (AGW) ….. but it is not referenced often enough to bother shortening its descriptor to ….. HIAGW. And don’t forget “the same” about anthropogenic [local/regional] warming (ALW and ARW) with an included ‘C’ or ‘HI’ when needed. HA HA
Pat, because it was more often than not, a pain in der arse to type ….. “CO2 causing Anthropogenic Global Warming” …… each and every time it was referenced, ……. it was first reduced to stating …… “CO2 causing AGW” …… and then further reduced to simply typing …. CAGW.
It just “happened” that way …. and thus never needed to be specifically defined.
“Am I right in thinking that the ‘C’ in CAGW has never been defined? ”
I think so. Many sceptics say it means “catastrophic”. However, scientists do not appear to use “CAGW”. From my experience in other blogs and forums, the claim is usually that the term is a “denier” invention. Consequently, those who claim to support science often refuse to debate it.
They are happy to warn you of all kinds of supposed future issues that AGW will cause but they never say CAGW. It is a bit like “The Pause”. “Pause” is said to be a “denier” term while “hiatus” is most acceptable and, obviously, quite different. It is just one of the more boring, semantic ways of ignoring your argument.
joelobryan, Bill Gates does not own the $330M yacht. He rented it for 1 week. Big deal. And the video you posted has nothing to do with Bill Gates, his named was added to a yacht video to grab more clicks – and clearly it worked.
An analysis of the ownership of these blogs would be interesting exercise.
Yr: “…an analysis…”
Well, I can’t say I’ve ever performed an “analysis” of much of anything but I did once celebrate a Jeff Harvey. In particular, a hyper-energetic, credential-flashing, obsessive motor-mouth of that name once regularly contributed to the comments section of the, now defunct, Deltoid blog.
And that particular Jeff Harvey (pretty sure it’s the same guy that associated with the paper discussed in the above post) on one memorable occassion treated Deltoid-land to a self-promotional vanity-comment boasting of a winter-time traversal of a Canadian Park, named Algonquin Park, that he had undertaken. As I vaguely recall Jeff even declared his epochal hike entitled him to the claim that he was even tougher than a U. S. Marine, or some such–that’s the sort silly-shit the transparently geekball, Deltoid Jeff H was into.
But at any rate, I celebrated Jeff’s little adventure in poetry:
Algonquin’s wilds
Aimed Jeff to chart
A trek we’ll call
“Die Grosse Fahrt”
Now as Jeff though
That global warm
Wreaked everywhere
Its scary harm
He mused his stroll
Would balmy be
And planned his trip
Accordingly
***
So off set Jeff
All bright and bold
When suddenly
“Things” got real cold
But Jeff was not
At all abashed
And at the chill
Credentials flashed
“A smarty-pants
Am I and got
A model here
That says it’s hot!”
***
There then ensued
A merry fuss
In which Jeff proved
The eco-wuss
And lost his nerve
Just cause a nose
Picked then–“OH GREAT!!!”
To get all froze
And turning tail
Jeff nature fled
Preferring what
His model said
***
The moral of
This silly tale?
Mother-Nature
Must not prevail!
And so Jeff’s rout
Scored him a trough
With title grand
An “Endowed Prof”
second stanza, first line should read “Now as Jeff thought (not “though”).
hey, its not the IPCC’s fault that polar bears are not cooperating with a “perfectly good theory.” So instead of using real polar bears, lets use model polar bears!
Or the ones in the Coke commercials. 🙂
Or the ones in the “Bluebird” ads trying to steal the penguins potato crisps.
“Or the ones in the “Bluebird” ads trying to steal the penguins potato crisps.”
Ursus maritimus longus armus.
The model Polar Bears should be spherical with integer size ratios. This will simplify the math…
/s
Counting white, highly mobile, critters in a vast, mostly white environment is difficult. Modeling is a lot easier.
Yea.
Especially if the darn thing could (or will) eat you.
hey, its not the IPCC’s fault that polar bears are not cooperating with a “perfectly good theory.” So instead of using real polar bears, lets use model polar bears!
We’ll start by positing spherical bears …
We have some in captivity those need to be made to spherically confirm ASAP, the public needs to be able to trust the models.
Thy shall not ruin a perfectly good theory with facts!
Could always hunt the bears like we used to. That will make their numbers work just like last time.
This whole ‘Hockey’ Schtick crapola about Polar bears being threatened is a total conjecture based upon future climate change happening in the Arctic that sees the habitat, ice and food supply all disappearing by 2050 or sooner. Polar bear populations are healthy, and recovering from lower counts due to previous outdated hunting pressure from years long gone by. Now the control of the hunt is strictly regulated by the Inuit, in consultation with the Federal Government of Canada. Hunting is no longer the pressure it once was. http://www.canadanorthoutfitting.com/arctic-expeditions/polar-bear/
2/3 of the worlds estimated 26,000 polar bears live in Canadian Arctic Territories, or in Hudson Bay area of Churchill, Manitoba, Ontario, Quebec, or Labrador. They are not in any danger…indeed their populations are growing. There never has been a threat to the Polar Bear, apart from the early unregulated hunting pressure that existed decades ago.
To blame future hypothetical climate change on the future hypothetical extinction of Polar Bears is a marketing image, and repeated ad nauseam until many people just believe and repeat what they heard. Witness Griff here. This why so many people are beginning to identify with a skeptic position on a lot of this CAGW nonsense. It really is no different than a perpetual hypochondriac making claims that they are sick and dying.
The story of the polar bear is far more complex than the advocates of AGW will admit, Same with skeptics of AGW (who are different from the skeptics of GW, though the AGW advocates lack the intelligence to distiquish the two groups).
The skeptics of AGW will point to the fact the polar bear population is up to approx 26,000 vs the 10k when hunting was stopped.
The advocates of AGW will point to the lower weight and lower strength levels of the polar bears. Though this is a common problem when any animal species becomes overpopulated.
A better comparison would be the polar bear population circa 1850-1890 vs today along with a comparison of natural habitat and food sources. However data doesnt exist in sufficient detail to reach any conclusion. Yet the advocates project catastrophy based on very incomplete date. – becasue global warming causes everything.
“A better comparison would be the polar bear population circa 1850-1890 vs today along with a comparison of natural habitat and food sources. However data doesnt exist in sufficient detail to reach any conclusion.”
Actually there is “data.” There are many historical journals kept by Arctic explorers and in most areas they traveled polar bears were rare to nonexistent. Why? Because the Innuit people could not ‘coexist’ with them so, often with the help of dogs, they killed them all the time.
To use one obvious example, think of the hunters waiting patiently at a hole for a seal to emerge. That takes immense concentration. They couldn’t be doing that if they had to worry about a polar bear sneaking up on them. They couldn’t cache food for the winter – which they did – with polar bears around (see Churchill Manitoba dump). Etc., etc.
Thus the places where polar bears were found were the areas between tribal territories where people did not hunt. It is interesting to note that the polar bears of Hudson’s Bay were known to the fur traders in ca. 1800 (e.g. David Thompson and earlier) but that is an atypical situation for polar bears and indigenous people for a lot of reasons.
So not only are there more polar bears now than in the 1960s, there are almost certainly far more than any time since humans colonized the Arctic.
Extreme – I think we agree on the primary points – which is
A) the data doesnt exist to reach any conclusion as to the future of the polar bear population.
B) any attribution or demise due to GW is pure speculation
“Despite the growing evidence in support of AGW, these blogs continue to aggressively deny the causes and/or the projected effects of AGW and to personally attack scientists who publish peer-reviewed research in the field with the aim of fomenting doubt to maintain the consensus gap”
Name Calling
Consensus fallacy
Lying
Opinion without cause
This passed peer review………. gargle
indeed . i also take umbrage at the use of the phrase “personally attack”. most of those of an academic bent (apologies to the many on here) have no idea what a “personal attack” actually entails. i once had a rather heated conversation with someone that accused me of a “personal attack”. he was left in no uncertain terms that my personal definition of “personal attack” was the person i was personally attacking lying on the ground with a bloody nose. anyone taking words of disagreement as a “personal attack” needs to grow the f**k up and or grow a set.
to be clear, the first time i encounter any individual that labels me a “denier” face to face, they will find out what “personal attack” really means. academia is fine for wars or words, the school of hard knocks and a few years boxing is a different reality altogether.
a wise man once said, the pen is mightier than the sword right up until the point someone is hitting you over the head with a sword.these upset “academics” would do well to remember that when it comes to bullying fellow academics that obviously have more integrity in a toe nail clipping than the entire bunch of clowns that contributed to this “paper”.
What universe are these authors on? Just using the word “denier” should disqualify this rag from being considered a peer reviewed scientific paper. How about putting it at the grocery store checkout line with the National Enquirer. This is such total garbage, I thought it was self parody.
Does the establishment want to know why skepticism runs rampant? They should reflect on the mentality that created this political document.
I’ve never once allowed the polar bear population to influence my judgement about AGW. There are too many other variables at play. When the AMO turns, what are they going to do then? Sorry, but it makes me believe the authors have never taken the time to evaluate the totality of the evidence about AGW. Setting aside the Arctic, there are still innumerable reasons why one has to be skeptical about the doom and gloom scenarios.
U a agree about the “rag” thing. As soon as I read, ‘science-based’ and ‘denier’, it was over for me. It doesn’t deserve even the future analysis that Anthony promises.
+1. well said cerescokid.
Susan’s main polar bear point was always that they did not depend on summer sea ice. Most of their feeding is on spring ice during the seal whelping season. No one claimed spring ice was going to disappear. Amstrup, Sterling, Derocher alarm was always based on bad biology independent of AGW. The fact that polar bear numbers are up not down is just another comfirmation of their bad science.
That the SI contains mistakes shows a rushed thru pal review hatchet job for what it is.
ristvan, it is easy to look up the information on known eating habits of Polar Bears such as this one:
Polar Bear Diet
“Because the polar bear’s body requires a diet based on large amounts of seal fat, they are the most carnivorous member of the bear family.
Food can be hard to come by for polar bears for much of the year. The bear puts on most of its yearly fat reserves between late April and mid-July to maintain its weight in the lean seasons.”
http://wwf.panda.org/what_we_do/where_we_work/arctic/wildlife/polar_bear/diet/
Polar bears are opportunist eaters. They will eat virtually any animal or carcass live to no matter how long dead.
WWF is an absurd source for claims. WWF’s entire purpose if to convince people to donate money that is then used for WWF purposes, not science or conservation.
I chose WWF because they are what they are, but the basic statement they made is correct. You are correct that they will eat other things besides Seal,but those other foods often do not provide the needed high fat levels the Bears need.
Yes the WWF. Everyone remember when one of their extortion devices was to offer the public the chance to sponsor a polar bear? They were milking their charismatic value full tilt. Now, not so much, because even they couldn’t lie enough about in the face of all the good news about their population without damaging their brand too much. When you think of the WWF, just think of Prince Charles – that says it all.
Sunset – No doubt that polar bears are the most carnivorous and predatory bears… because there is so little plant food in their habitat. But they opportunistically will eat whatever edible plants they can find. Also, they don’t “maintain their weight in the lean seasons,” they lose weight.
Utterly false.
wwf, not only invents their fantasies, they happily include claims by the fake polar bear researchers. Making their “statements” badly prepared bogus fact soups .
wwf prepares their fake polar bear, Arctic sea ice, etc. news releases to solely spur donations; not provide accurate science. Amstrup followed exactly that scenario when filming his polar bear International announcements earlier this year.
Seals may be the best polar bear food for quick weight gains, Then again, whales and other Arctic creatures are also ideal polar bear foods.
But polar bears eat other creatures including geese and waterfowl that are plenty nutritious and fatty. What’s more is that polar bears eat these other creatures during seasons where polar bears do not have access to seals.
Proof is that during the Arctic’s sea ice cyclical minima, polar bears prospered and multiplied.
NB; Amstrup and Stirling along with some of these other authors are the researchers caught pretending to “survey” polar bears. Instead, they “made up” their numbers, allowing these alleged researchers to provide gloomy population estimates.
Alleged researchers who rarely actually work in various Arctic environments, besides using their flawed models, are deaf and blind to those people who actually live, work and play in the Arctic environment.
Bogus polar bear estimates used by the involved researchers as a funding source are then overstated by a global organization actively conning donations from insular internally conflicted people who preferentially believe dire claims.
Unlike the occasional Arctic wandering surveys conducted by the scam artists; this polar bear research actively collects bear scat to analyze the bear diets.
Imagine that!
Polar bears are functioning omnivores!?
As proven by their scat, not meal interrupting occasional transient urbanites.
Where does wwf reference these studies?
Even the NYtimes has published some of these results… Though the deluded never appear to see them.
“The bear puts on most of its yearly fat reserves between late April and mid-July …”
So two-thirds of that period is in the spring, which runs from late March to late June.
ristvan:
I believe part of Susan’s recent criticisms was about Amstrup’s and Sterling’s grandstanding after ice had already formed this year and polar bears had already moved out on the ice.
Amstrup’s planned filming was to highlight the alleged lack of ice that endangers the polar bears. Finding that the ice had formed earlier this year and that polar bears were already on the ice were inconvenient facts to Amstrup who was grandstanding on predicted polar bear disaster scenarios and donations from the gullible.
Thus Amstrup’s 2017 propaganda film is full of false statements.
Susan’s common sense observations and facts are making things inconvenient to Amstrup by educating Amstrup’s hypnotized donors.
I agree. I think this was put together over a very short time period very recently, even if the co-authors discussed doing something like this months ago.
Something happened that rushed it forward. I have an inkling of what it might have been – something that happened in September – but it’s third hand knowledge I can’t confirm.
Thank you, Dr. Crockford!
Thank you, for standing up for rigorous science; against false science.
Thank you, for standing up to these climate bullies and thugs!
Collusive frauds like this alleged research should be prosecuted.
In many journals, SI’s are not reviewed per policy.
Note that “[m]issing values were replaced by zero after scaling and centering to minimize the influence of the replacement.”
Replacing missing observations with zeros is a sure way to bias a PCA. Michael Mann’s adventures in linear statistics continue.
Now we know why Mann was an author. It was to lend his PCA ‘competency’ as revealed by McIntyre.
suggested errata: “…PCA
‘competency’‘duplicity’ as revealed…”Now there was I thinking that scientific research was all about facts, and not what blogs said what!
Meanwhile, those pesky polar bears keep on breeding!
If they used Google to search for sceptic websites, it’s surprising that they found 45(or 44).
Happy to see you made the list of deplorables.
*Not a lot of people know that (https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/)
This is red meat for the likes Delingpole and Booker.
This is red meat for the likes of Delingpole and Booker.
Their CAGW consensus questions:
Arctic ice extent is declining = science based.
Those that question Arctic ice is still declining are labeled as d*****s.
Polar bears are threatened by AGW = science based
Those that claim polar bears are unthreatened and increasing in population are labeled as d*****s.
They’ve reversed the meaning and concepts of what science is, means, how it is derived, and how science is advanced.
The paper is definitely anti-science, anti-scientific methods and condemns everyone/anyone who isn’t a consensus team player.
Every person who signed that despotic paper should be drummed out of science/research as absolutely contrary to proper science and scientific methods.
Here, here!
The cry is “hear, hear,” meaning “ditto” or “right on!”/”right-O” or “+1” etc.
PS: Another I agree term similar to those above is “^this”
Absolutely agree with your last sentence. They make a mockery of so-called climate science. How low they have stooped.
Don’t think they won’t go lower. That is something we must all learn. My emotions tell me I like to hope they won’t. My intellect tells me they will.
Right to the bottom. Any group calling themselves “scientists” that list Think Progress as a science-based blog has already hit bottom.
ATheoK
“Arctic ice extent is declining = science based.
Those that question Arctic ice is still declining are labeled as d*****s.”
Because that it seems is what they are. Nailed it.
Cite one, just one, single shred of scientific evidence that it is otherwise.
Start here https://wattsupwiththat.com/reference-pages/sea-ice-page/
Tony,
You seem to mistake multi-decadal cyclical trends for short term linear trends. It is a common climate artifice.
“Cite one, just one, single shred of scientific evidence that it is otherwise.”
How far back do you want to go?
DATA, Mc Clod. !!
McClode is as delusional as ever; refusing to see, refusing to listen, refusing to learn.
One also notes that McClode fails to actually read and understand the links he provides. From Anthony’s WUWT Sea Ice page:
Historically, Arctic sea has been observed at low extents and high extents. None of which have been “observed” scientifically, since the Arctic is such a deadly environment. Far more deadly than any tropical area on Earth.
Introduce the satellite era, and suddenly there are better Arctic observations.
Combining and quantifying global sea ice measurements couple with historical writings emphasizes that polar ice waxes and wanes cyclically. Annual hemispheric cycles operate within longer cycles, observed in detail for a small portion of one cycle.
It is a quite typical alarmist selective blindness that after predicting both poles will warm significantly; they then focus on the one pole whose long term cycle is in wane, completely ignoring that pole at the opposite end of Earth. Unless, i.e., they can hyperventilate about trivial sea ice breakups or iceberg calvings.
In order to hyperventilate these polar changes requires that alarmists, e.g. McClode, accept fake temperature claims while completely overlooking the failure of either pole to significantly warm above freezing.
Antarctica’s ice accretion is ignored.
The Arctic’s sea ice failure to melt completely; in spite of rather frequent ice free Arctic predictions.
The Arctic’s sea ice melt cycle bottoming in 2007.
The Arctic’s reversal from earlier breakups/later freeze ups to later ice break ups and earlier freeze ups.
The recent Antarctic cyclical change to less sea ice, matching Arctic’s increasing sea ice.
As Amstrup’s refusal this year to admit that many polar bears had already moved out onto sea ice significantly earlier this year than previous years. Amstrup’s scripted news announcements pretended that polar bears were still restricted to remaining on land.
The trouble really is, that only activists could pretend there wasn’t sufficient sea ice. Polar bears, people, including tourists, scientists, and journalists could easily see the sea ice and the bears leaving land…
So inconvenient.
Just when during the annual Arctic temperature cycle is all of that sea ice supposed to melt?
McClode refuses to note that for a significant portion of the annual cycle it is plenty cold enough to freeze sea water. What little temperature increases are noted, are well below sea water freeze temperatures.
Nor is the Arctic summer’s warm period and cycle significantly warmer. It has consistently tracked very close to normal summer temperatures, in spite of active NOAA temperature ‘adjustments’.
Apparently, Matthew Henry was writing about people like McClode and it’s trollop buddies:
BTW – the first sentence of the Abstract is unsustainable:
Increasing surface temperatures, Arctic sea-ice loss, and other evidence of anthropogenic global warming (AGW) are acknowledged by every major scientific organization in the world.
As any half competent climatologist will tell you, temperatures in the Arctic are broadly the same as they were in the 1930s and 40s.
Similarly, Arctic sea ice retreated rapidly during those years.
In the 1960s to 80s, the Arctic underwent rapid cooling, and the ice grew much too quickly for comfort. (Iceland knew it as the Sea Ice years).
And guess what?
None of this had anything at all to do with AGW, and everything to do with the AMO, a natural Atlantic Ocean cycle that has been occurring for millennia.
Such a plainly fallacious Abstract would normally disqualify the Paper from any serious consideration.
Perhaps I should also add that a certain Mickey Mann is one of the authors. Enough said?
” any half competent climatologist will tell you, temperatures in the Arctic are broadly the same as they were in the 1930s and 40s.”
really? now you trust temperature records?
Steve, you were shown other evidence besides temperature to show it was warming and melting in the 30’s and 40’s.
Why do you constantly forget so much?
“Why do you constantly forget so much?”
Because sometimes it is very convenient to ‘forget.’
“really? now you trust temperature records?”
Who said they trusted temperature records?
You guys got hijacked by the left/green politics Steven. They don’t trust you because mix science with politics and in most countries we don’t allow police to be judiciary for very similar reasons. The field has been stupid from start to end and now it is getting belted by the public.
You want to blame anyone for the position you guys have got the whole field into, then look squarely at the scientist/activists because they are the equivalent of the old hanging judge.
No they don’t trust you or the climate science system and your problem is you need their support and votes.
Sunsettommy said: “Steve, you were shown other evidence besides temperature to show it was warming and melting in the 30’s and 40’s.
Why do you constantly forget so much?”
Why do you ignore his main point? That surface temperature measurements are trotted out as reliable when it suits skeptics, then called unreliable, incomplete, or altered when it does not.
Exactly. Warmer temperatures may be evidence of global warming but they’re not evidence of “anthropogenic” warming. A ten-year-old can see the differemce.
“None of this had anything at all to do with AGW, and everything to do with the AMO, a natural Atlantic Ocean cycle that has been occurring for millennia.”
Of course the models missed pause because the AMO & PDO were natural cycles that were not predictible – per M Mann’s 2015/2016 study
and everything to do with the AMO…
Just so I’m clear on the concept……almost all of the ice is not exposed to air temps or surface…90% under water….and the North Atlantic Current (AMO) is the only body of water that flows directly into the Arctic sea…..and when the AMO is warmer, ice melts more
/duh
Remember the poor polly bear stuck on the top of a ‘disappearing’ iceberg
Well, the enviro-do-goodies got ‘im and stuffed ‘im, as you can see here displayed on a mock iceberg for eternity, in the Calgary’s airport arrival luggage reclaim hall.
Over on Twitter, Lonny Eachus spotted this:
“Author’s positions in papers were scored in in same “position space” defined by binary answers to the six statements formulated in the main papers and citation of Dr. Susan Crockford as an expert.”
That is, if you cite Crockford you are a denier. They then conclude that only deniers cite Crockford.
If you ever want a scatter plot to look very concentrated around a desired spot, this paper tells you one way to do it:
1. Missing values were replaced by zero after scaling and centering
2. Datapoint were slightly jittered to improve visibility of overlapping points.
Strange to class professional media outlets such as The Daily Caller and Breitbart as ‘blogs’. Are the BBC & the Guardian ‘blogs’ as well?
This is what counts as research now? Do a google search and mark the results as agrees/disagrees with what I like?
/smh
“But wheah’s the necessity? It seems an uncommonly woundabout and hopelessly wigmawolish method of getting anywheahs. Look heah, now, I’ve got the wuhks of all the old mastahs the gweat ahchaeologists of the past. I wigh them against each othah balance the disagweements analyze the conflicting statements decide which is pwobably cowwect and come to a conclusion. That is the scientific method.”
– Lord Dorwin in Foundation by Asimov
The data are now available http://datadryad.org/resource/doi:10.5061/dryad.v652r
I was puzzled about one of the “science-based” blogs they list, called yorkblog.com which appears to be an adjunct blog of the local newspaper in York County Pennsylvania
There’s just a handful of climate articles there, mostly angry political rants. See the list: http://www.yorkblog.com/hot/
I’ve yet to find one that actually discussed science, though this one is particularly “sciencey”:
http://www.yorkblog.com/hot/2015/11/30/give-a-st-about-climate-change/ and uses this image:
http://www.yorkblog.com/hot/files/2015/11/toilette-paper-ipcc-a.jpg
and there’s is “Advocacy for Animals” as well.
and there is “Gizmodo” …
Visualization of CAGW ‘Peer Review’ ……?
The paper is truly precious. I chuckle since it shows just how desperate they are. “If you can’t dazzle them with brilliance…”
‘science-based’ and ‘denier’ …………….lost my train of thought right there
From the Harvey, et al., BioScience paper—
“Moreover, scientists need to more effectively use Internet-based social media to their full advantage in order to turn the tide in the battle for public opinion.” “Because this evidence is so overwhelming, it would be virtually impossible to debunk;..”
I recently got and am just preparing a response to Sigma Xi’s (The Scientific Research Honor Society) solicitation for funds. I have long been a member and even have a research award. The Sigma Xi Executive Director states–
“Together, we have stepped out of our comfort zone to: Protect critical research from budget cuts; Defend our international colleagues from discrimination; Petition for the use of science in policy” It emphasized “Excellence in research communications” and (making) “science policy stronger. ” My response will include the Harvey paper as an example of communication, and am open to suggestions.
I did note that the BioScience paper had the statistically suspect Anderegg, et al., paper in the references, but did not see it cited in the text. Was this their guide? Also note this was “Editor’s Choice.” This may be BioScience, but it is not biology.
“Moreover, scientists need to more effectively use Internet-based social media to their full advantage in order to turn the tide in the battle for public opinion.” “Because this evidence is so overwhelming, it would be virtually impossible to debunk;..”
So the evidence is overwhelming yet they feel like they have to battle for public opinion.
If they had some evidence, I would be on their side, along with every other reasonable person, but they don’t have any evidence. Just claiming they do doesn’t make it so.
They should produce some of this overwhelming evidence some time.
I suspect the same sorting of the 89 would result in the same grouping if instead of dividing by CAGW skepticism the authors made two piles based on blog post censorship practices.
As many have pointed out, the lack of actual science and extremely obvious bias in this paper is obvious evidence of the lengths the CAGW ™ cabal will go to in order to discredit any view that challenges their beloved consensus.
What I think it’s more telling, however, is the almost revered acceptance of papers like this and the various ‘consensus’ papers (97%, anyone?) by anyone holding a left-leaning political view. I have seen almost no critical thinking of analysis from even well-educated and intelligent people. I’m sure the MSM is partly, or possible mainly, to blame, but this is my main observation and the cause of my deep worry about the whole CAGW ™ fiasco.
I despair for humanity if this continues. Global Governance will likely ensure, and humanity will be damned to be ruled by idiots like the authors, reviewers and publishers of papers like these.
This has got to hurt, no wonder the crescendo is increasing.
Delingpole: #Winning – Grant Applications for ‘Climate Change’ down 40 Percent
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/12/05/delingpole-winning-grant-applications-for-climate-change-down-40-percent/
I spent about one month on gregladen,com, debating
Professor Jeff Harvey and his fellow radical, Enviro bots.
They had a number of common traits.
1) you were always wrong
2) profanity
3) ad hominem attacks
4) your references are racists and hatemongers
5) the academic credential were insufficient to dispute AGW
6) you are a denier
7) attack your religiosity
8) disdain for free enterprise and Conservatives
Comments then can under moderation and links were
censored and removed by site owner, Greg Laden.
Just denounce their deity, Al “I want to be something” Gore
and they will hate and despise, until the end time.
When you ask them for a solution (yes, there is AGW how
do we fix it) it fell on deaf ears.
They are full of themselves, especially Professor Harvey, a
bonafide elitist of the first order.
They are doomers; no joy in their hearts; bitter to the
core; lacking any sense of humor and arrogant to
the point of contempt.
It is no wonder, that public opinion has turned
on this Enviro tribe.
Over on Twitter, Lonny Eachus spotted this:
“Author’s positions in papers were scored in in same “position space” defined by binary answers to the six statements formulated in the main papers and citation of Dr. Susan Crockford as an expert.”
This is backed-up by the data: Citing Crockford is indeed a perfect predictor of being labelled with the D-word.
Circular logic. The paper assumes that C implies D, and concludes that D implies C.
More generally, the “consensus” tends to cite only a subset of all the facts. Those doubtful or suspicious of the consensus tend to cite the “unhelpful” facts. It ain’t rocket science.
“Circular logic. The paper assumes that C implies D, and concludes that D implies C.”
That’s actually what’s called “affirming the consequent” or “modus ponens”.
Hear, hear!
The data reveal another problem. There are not 6 statements. There are only 2.
The first three statements are about the ice, and mutually exclusive. That is, there is a perfect negative correlation.
The last three statements are about the bears, and mutually exclusive.
A PCA is therefore pointless. The fact that the first two components explain only 91.5% of the variance is due to the noise introduced by the faulty treatment of the missing observations.
RT, more evidence that Mann oversaw the PCA. He is in a class by himself when it comes to PCA competency, as McIntyre has repeatedly shown.
It might be a good idea to point this out to the Journal and suggest a correction or retraction. Yes I know it won’t be published, but you could then publish it and embarrass the Journal.
Mikie Mann is dangerous with a Principal component Analysis methodology. Hockey sticks, Antarctic warming and now proof that the skeptic blogosphere is a concerted conspiracy on his whited sepulchre are conjured out of his febrile imagination. Giving Mann a PCA package is like giving a climate communication psychologist a stats package or giving a gun to a serial killer. The good news is that sometimes they shoot themselves in the foot – hopefully the one that is in their mouths
‘Man Proposes, God Disposes’, Edwin Landseer (the mast was added as a reference to Sir John Franklin’s failed expedition to find the North West Passage in 1845). Polar bears tearing at a Red Ensign and human remains. (Red Ensign wasn’t used by Royal Navy in 1845 so a possible blooper by Landseer.)
My research suggest 1864 was the date that the R.N. stopped using red or blue ensigns as well as white ensigns. The choice of the colour depended on the naval squadron and/or seniority of the commanding admiral.
Thanks, the perils of ‘Wiki’! Shows what’s great about this site.
http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/gb-enshs.html#red
And yet it continues to abruptly melt.
Interestingly, sea ice melted more during most of the last 10,000 years, with recent melting only slightly less advanced than during the Little Ice Age. How did those polar bears survive for millennia with so much less ice?
http://notrickszone.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Arctic-Sea-Ice-Holocene-Stein-17.jpg
http://notrickszone.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Holocene-Arctic-Sea-Ice-Changes-Chukchi-Sea-Yamamoto-2017.jpg
Actually it decreased up to 2007, for the last decade it has been virtually unchanged.
DATA says you are , as always, mistaken. Mc Clod
in summertime.
As stated in the research, Crockford is not cited as an author of any of the papers that actual deal with polar bears.
People tend not to cite authors who disagree with them unless their paper is intended on rebutting their arguments. That’s why you end up with scientific consensus, mutual cross-referencing, self-referencing and “pal” review.
Science only moves on when some new kid points out the emperor has no clothes. Or the old guard retire and/or die. Science progresses one funeral at a time.
Its just human nature. No-one likes to admit they were wrong.
Crockford is not a polar bear specialist, but is an expert in related fields. She has read all the relevant polar bear “literature,” I assume. Thus, she is in a position to make informed criticism. It’s common wisdom that it’s not uncommon for scientists outside a specialty to provide worthwhile input and a fresh viewpoint..
PS: Therefore, it was not necessarily a weighty objection to say, “She’s an outsider.” It depends. That should have been obvious to Harvey et al..
As for her not publishing in “the literature,” maybe that’s the fault of the literature.
“ Blogs were assigned ‘science-based’ and ‘denier’ categories on the basis of their positions taken relative to those drawn by the IPCC on global warming “.
Astounding, absolutely astounding. And written with, apparently, no trace of irony.
You can smell the fear and desperation even on this side of the pond. And the sound of warmists shooting themselves in the foot is echoing around the world. THIS is peer-reviewed science ?!
A toe-curlingly embarrassing document.
This is funny 😂.
The free peoples of the world know how to deal with fasc1sts including the eco- type.
Bring it on!
They will come to a sticky end in Russia 🇷🇺 .
Anthony/Moderator ==> i like the new “Leave a reply…” intro statement…. kh
Some of those ‘denial’ sites aren’t climate blogs. American Thinker for example.
I don’t think Breitbart is a climate blog either.
Not being a scientist by any stretch, I do notice some names in the CAGW list: references used in the PCA. In fact, a quick counting: Armstrup, SC mentioned in 19 papers; Stirling, I, in 27, Douglas, DC., IN 4 and Derocher, AE., IN 22 papers. Now I do understand that these so called scientists are mostly blabbering about their own field, but it seems to me that if one reads, eg, Derocher, it would be immediately obvious to cognoscenti on which side of the CAGW fence he was sitting. What were they thinking? Citing their own work or of their students almost exclusively?
And these are “revered scientists?”
Hang in there, Dr. Susan. Liked your ” Eaten ” very much.
Its clear that Crockford loves Polar bears and would give a lot to see them prosper. I will concede that the greens also have an equal ambition
But..she conducts herself in an exemplary fashion, they seem to me to be a seedy bunch
Have been discussing this at ATTP’s
Internet Blogs, Polar Bears, and Climate-Change Denial
Jeffrey A. Harvey Daphne van den Berg Jacintha Ellers Remko Kampen Thomas W. Crowther Peter Roessingh Bart Verheggen Rascha J. M. Nuijten Eric Post Stephan Lewandowsky Ian Stirling Meena Balgopal Steven C. Amstrup Michael E. Mann.
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A star studded line up to attack one person, or should I say woman?
Yes. Why not, it is late 2017 after all. I guess they did the paper before Harvey.
They need to attach her.
Ragnaar says:
“I Googled this: population polar bears Crockford gets hits 2, 3 and 4.”
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For what it is worth I totally agree with Joshua and Steven on this in their first comments.
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The paper is a statement of the obvious. If AGW, ice all melts and polar bears die. Logic impeccable for warmists.
However, If AGW is denied, if ice melt is denied, then polar bears live. Logic impeccable for denialists.
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Hence the problem, how many polar bear specialists are there? Like one does not get up real close and friendly like gorillas in the mist. How many reports on numbers are there and how reliable?
Ragnaar again
“There’s is a lack of data. I looked at a few maps, and there are large unknown areas.”
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Then there is this
“A boatload of tourists in the far eastern Russian Arctic thought they were seeing clumps of ice on the shore, before the jaw-dropping realisation that some 200 polar bears were roaming on the mountain slope.”.
Perhaps it was fake news. Perhaps 1 litter of 200 babies was born in this area last year.
All I can think of is that if one extrapolates out 200 bears in 1 square kilometer then the number of Polar bears in the Arctic has been sadly and badly underestimated by everyone , including Dr S Crockford.
It is good to see Jeff Harvey put up his perspective on his paper at ATTP’s. Very well worth reading by anyone here who wants more input into the ideas behind the paper
A few comments for consideration
The article was never about the science.
It was about the *direction the planet is going in and how to save it.
Consequently the aim of the paper
–
[JH]“My final point. Our paper was about scientific transparency and integrity ”
“one of the major aims of the paper was to advise general readers not to take at face value what they read on blogs.”
was lost in the execution which resulted in
“Instead they accuse us of ad hominem smears of Susan Crockford and leave it at that. They can dish it out but can’t take it.”
This was the “insight” moment for me of his discussion
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“[I] and the other authors had the courage to show that blogs which habitually dismiss climate change-related threats to polar bears do not refer to the primary literature but to a blogger that disagrees with the primary literature, and not through scientific journals but through her blog.”
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Instead of dismissing a scientist as a mere blogger the intent of the article would have been best achieved by providing the data on Polar Bear numbers, distribution and time changes, real and known firstly extrapolated secondly and then addressing the scientist bloggers extrapolations and conclusions and scientifically, with transparency and clarity, proving her wrong.
Simple.
Can the paper be redone with this aim?
polar bears engendered species?
.
and close up
not likely
Polar bears are usually solitary animals, but here Rodney Russ, leader of the expedition estimated there were 230 of them, so if polar bears are engendered species where did they come from?
(photographed at Wrangel Island Nature Reserve)
Here is Professor Harvey response to the claim that
Polar bears are not suffering declining numbers.
http://gregladen.com/blog/2017/11/18/book-deals-including-al-gores-truth/
“November 20, 2017 at 2:55 pm
I must wade in here. I have been reading BB’s bilge for a few months now, and as utterly vile it all is, he reached new depths with his completely vacuous attack on Al Gore. Truth be told, Gore has more integrity in the fingernail of his left pinky than Donald Trump or any of his goons have in their whole bodies. Each of those memes he listed can be summarily quashed, but let’s focus on the Arctic and polar bear lies he spews as I have a paper coming out very soon which in part examines this. You will all know about it very soon.
There has been no ‘major refreezing’ in the Arctic; indeed by the end of this month ice extent there will in all likelihood be the 2nd lowest for this time of the year after 2016. As for polar bears, numbers are meaningless unless placed in the context of the age structure of the population, the per capita fitness of individual bears, and importantly the projected effects of a continuation in the seasonal decline of ice extent based on extrapolated trends. First of all, the age-structure of many of the populations is becoming skewed towards older animals; natality is down. Moreover, per capita fitness is reduced because the bears face multiple anthropogenic threats in addition to climate change. Bill’s kindergarten analysis ignores vital and relevant crteria such as tipping points, critical thresholds and temporal lags that are vital in order to understand the prognosis of warming on polar bears and other arctic species. Two analogies are appropriate: using Bill and other denier approaches is akin to saying that a patient with spreading cancer is fine because he or she has not shown any symptoms yet. Alternatively, its like asking someone who jumps off the top of a 100 story building how they are doing after falling 50 floors. The person might shout out ‘everything is fine!’ When it clearly isn’t. If the Arctic continues to shrink at the current 30-40 year rate over the coming decades, there are no ands, ifs or buts: polar bears will be in deep trouble.
There are thousands of other examples of the negative effects of warming on biodiversity. Bill’s sandbox level understanding of the field precludes him from being taken seriously. The rest of his first post was similar gibberish.”
Man exterminates pretty much any animal weighing more than 5 kg he comes close, unless he find some use of it in animal husbandry or as pet.
For that matter, polar bears are probably the LEAST concerned land mammal, just because men don’t care to live in polar region.
Wot! RealClimate didn’t make the cut?
I wonder if they should have weighted their results by the number of web hits each site gets? If the self-confirmation result wasn’t as expected, they could always try inverse weighting or bristle-cone pine weighting a la Mickey Mann.
It’s tells me a lot when I’m bookmarking this as a list of blogs I’ve got to have a read of and have zero interest in the paper.
When are journals going to start having a professional statistician on staff? Across so many fields the chicanery and incompetence are shocking.