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By Ben Boychuk
July 27, 2017 2:00 PM
Arnold Schwarzenegger really should be careful about calling people liars. Especially when he’s trying to pass off faith as scientific fact.
Maybe you saw the former governor and erstwhile action star berating conservatives the other day for refusing to accept his view that the answer to climate change is the heavy hand of government.
“Don’t those conservative Republicans get the message?” he asked. “And can’t they just think about it for a second and say, ‘Maybe we should stop lying to the people.’ Stop lying to the people. Stop it.”
Lying, eh? It’s a wonder he didn’t add, “You will know the truth and the truth will set you free.”
Schwarzenegger was on hand Tuesday for Gov. Jerry Brown’s big cap-and-trade bill signing ceremony on Treasure Island in San Francisco. After months of wrangling and the eventual defection of eight Republicans, Brown and the Democrats succeeded in extending the program until 2030.
Under cap and trade, the state gives credits to certain carbon producers, such as power plants and manufacturers. “Polluters” may exceed their allotted carbon caps by purchasing (or “trading”) more credits from other credit holders. The state expects to raise billions of dollars on the scheme.
Schwarzenegger was there to lend a bipartisan veneer to the spectacle. Remember, he signed Assembly Bill 32, the “Global Warming Solutions Act,” at the same location a decade ago. The law mandated that Californians cut greenhouse gas emissions to 1990 levels by 2020, and another 80 percent by 2050 in “a manner that minimizes costs and maximizes benefits for the California economy.”
How has that worked so far? Schwarzenegger thinks it’s going just great. He said California showed how bipartisan cooperation can work, though he was a little iffy on the details.
California’s cap-and-trade program is full of carve-outs for industry. That’s the only way it can work without manufacturers abandoning the state wholesale and electricity and fuel prices climbing even higher than they are already.
And they’re quite high. California’s gasoline and electricity prices are the highest in the western United States. We had the highest gasoline taxes at around 54 cents a gallon, and they’re about to go up again in November between 12 cents and 19 cents per gallon, depending on the type of fuel. Cap-and-trade mandates will likely add another 63 cents a gallon by 2021, according to Legislative Analyst Mac Taylor. Low-income Californians will be hardest hit. The state’s answer seems to be, “Let them eat solar.”
Yet Schwarzenegger chided Republicans in Washington, D.C., for not following California’s lead. He was particularly harsh on President Donald Trump for withdrawing from the Paris climate accord.
“America did not drop out of the Paris agreement. America is fully in the Paris agreement,” Schwarzenegger said. “The states and the cities in America, the private sector, the academic sector, the scientists – everyone is still in the Paris agreement.”
Back in the real world, where the U.S. Constitution continues to hold some sway, America will drop out of the Paris agreement because the duly elected president judged it would be in the nation’s interest to do so.
But far be it from me to call the former governor a liar. He’s merely an actor on a stage playing a role.
Oh, I remember back in the day
When I first heard Ahnold say
“The sciiience is in, man has created da Global Varming”
They couldn’t have picked a greater guy
To be the clown face of da Big Global Varming Lie.
Andrew
Lies and more lies. They think if they repeat them enough they will come true. California is working on a lights out program for industry. The last one out turn out the lights….. if there’s any electricity remaining.
Just in case no one got the message about what is really behind this law, he decides to sign it at somewhere called Treasure Island !!
You could not make this stuff up.
Given his latest “documentary” (Incontinent Sequel), shouldn’t “AL” be added to the list?
“the former governor and erstwhile action star”
And we should add “erstwhile Republican.” Or actually: “never Republican,” as he always has been a liberal imposter masquerading as a Republican. While he was governor Schwarzenegger he was married to a Kennedy, a woman as leftist as you get. And, as governor, on issue after issue Schwarzenegger went left, with of course worst of all being his inane pandering to the elite leftists on global warming.
Then his “Marriage ” ( Affair), with his House keeper, bearing a child , that is a Bastard, , buying her out with the largest home in Bakersfield, and we never hear another word about it, yet he is supposed to be the guy we look up to,…??? But that Kennedy lineage still comes up.. Oh Yeah,, Ted, and John..Stalwarts of Marital Ethics..
But we should look up to Donald Trump, who had affairs with wives numbers 2 and 3 while married to wives 1 and 2.
“Chris August 5, 2017 at 12:34 am”
And none went to court.
Schwartzenegger is someone, along with Jimmy Carter, who I am ashamed of voting for.
Obviously, this will have zero impact on the weather. This is simply a scheme to transfer money from the wallets of people who earned it into the pockets of those capable of using the coercive power of the state to expropriate the property of those for whom resistance to coercion is treated as a crime. The CAGW crusade is entering into Hoffer’s third stage.
“Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket.”
― Eric Hoffer, The Temper of Our Time 1967
Carbon credits are the nearest modern analogue to the medieval practice of the Catholic Church selling “indulgences” that induced Martin Luther to start the Protestant Reformation. Luther sniffed corruption and tacked 95 Theses to a church door to take the phonies to task.
Carbon credits show how climate change has become a religion. Nobody has the guts to say, “I’ve got a swell idea. Let’s abolish fire!” They know well enough that civilization would collapse if they did. So they pretend to dislike fire, and that the world is doomed unless we peasants give it up. Then they conjure up all sorts of convoluted excuses why the big shots can continue to use as much as they want, but the little people have to pay — for indulgences, for ludicrous electric cars, for wildly expensive “alternatives” for generating electricity, to eat beans instead of meat, and on and on. They’ll herd us back into tenements, ration gruel, and preach to us from Hollywood palaces as long as they can get away with it.
The whole dishonest apparatus will collapse under its own weight eventually, but a lot of phonies will get juicy careers from it in the meantime.
At least the Republicans and the Republican voters in the USA realize it’s a scam and that the science is actually “science.”
The worst possible thing, though, is for a Republican politician to go turncoat and this key issue. Climate change is the darling issue of the leftist elitists like SF’s Nancy Pelosi, and any “Republican” that goes left on that issue is demonstrating that they share the same basic elitist mindset of the liberals. That’s why climate change should be a litmus test issue for Republican voters. We shouldn’t brook any hint of leftism from our candidates on it. And that includes nominees, like Tillerson. I really thought we shouldn’t have gave him a pass on AGW when instead we should have made an example out of him with the message being we don’t want climate change leftists in our government.
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Btw, as an aside, Tillerson continues to try to push climate change onto Trump.
This from June:
Tillerson: Trump isn’t ‘walking away’ from climate change issue:
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/05/trump-climate-change-paris-rex-tillerson-reacts-239130
Watch the video at the link. Tillerson is full of garbage. It’s our job to let Tillerson know that, or maybe Tillerson’s idea that Trump will again get us back into a Paris like agreement on climate change will come to pass.
Yes, totally agree. I originally thought Tillerson was a good choice—until he opened his mouth. Sounds like he could have been HillBilly’s SOS instead of Trump’s. I wonder who was behind that beautiful pick? You can always tell when Trump isn’t enamored with someone just by the inflection in his voice–it just doesn’t quite sound the same as when he’s enthusiastic.
As for Arnold, I used to pay to see his movies. Now the only thing I’ll be paying for is postage to send him my couple of blurays of those movies & tell him to wipe his socialist ass with them & to please leave the Republican Party as he never has been, is not currently, nor will be in the future a Republican & certainly doesn’t have anything in common with Republican ideals. Unless of course one is talking about the establishment Republicant weasels, then he fits right in.
What are the now Establishment Republicans whom many label as RINO’s are actually Progressive Republicans that are no different than Democrats of the Collectivist Bigger Government Totalitarian ilk… They just fight each other for who is in charge by the majority to push their pet peeves over the on minority party. Remember that Theodore Roosevelt split from the Republican Party and created the Progressive Party, that by the time FDR became president those Progressive Republicans had become the majority of the Republican Party and were like the whipped puppies by the democratic majority in both houses and they still are. Progressive Republicans don’t know how to lead and always want to be bi-partisan with the Democrats, where the Democrats will run over the whipped puppy Progressive Republicans every chance they get to push their agenda… aka; (D) BHO = The Fundamentally Change America (Obamacare), (D) FDR = The New Deal (Social Security and dozens of intergovernmental departments with the expansion of Individual Income Taxes as a graduated system IRS, BLM and USFS) and (D) LBJ = The Great Society (Food Stamp and Welfare,), (R) RM Nixon gave us the EPA that has expanded Clean Air and Waters Act, although he vetoed it congress overruled his veto… None of these are in the 18 Enumerated Powers of our Constitution to even exist at the Federal level.
“I’ve got a swell idea. Let’s abolish fire!”
I think you hit the nail on the head there. As the only species on this planet that uses fire for technological purposes (fire beetles don’t do technology) it is literally death for our civilisation to abandon fire.
Carbon trading schemes were invented by Al Gore working with Ken Lay. Remember the Enron scandal? It reeks of RICO.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/07/09/interpol-report-shows-five-criminal-activities-in-carbon-trading-markets/
Why Enron wants global warming:
https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/why-enron-wants-global-warming
Also remember that emperor O was on the board of the Chicago Climate Exchange!
What a scam , but until the people of California get enough of being fleeced and businesses get enough of being taxed to death , it will only get worse. Government will always need more it never needs less.
Anyone can participate in the Paris Agreement. Just sent your private dollars. How about you Arnold? Where is your multi-million dollar contribution? Or perhaps you don’t believe so much when you might have to put up your own money.
He hasn’t had time to contribute yet, he’s been too busy trying to get the little people in line so his socialist buddies can dig deep into the ‘common folks’ pockets. He’s got a ways to go before they run out of little people to squeeze & then start up the ladder, just like in every other socialist society.
What I don’t understand is why no power company out in leftistland has brought the state to court as this cap & trade is nothing more than an unconstitutional Ponzi scheme. The govt has put plenty of people in jail for years for doing the same.
Over the last 4 1/2 years, CA revenue from cap and trade has averaged $1.1 billion a year. The Bullet Train (Browndoggle) gets 25% of those funds. So Brown/Schwartzenegger/CAgovernment are going to save the planet by spending only $687 million a year. Quite a bargain!
It’s over folks. The chicken has had his head cut off and this is just the athletic brainless flopping about. Theresa May turned out to be a dud after Brexit (com’on Nigel get back in there) and Macron is inviting US cities and states to join the Parasite accord, but this is just the Brit and Franco rendition of the California flopabout. The final crescendo will have a massive burn up of cash and then… crickets.
If and when the Earth starts cooling off because of the quiet, inactive Sun, it is going to be oh so very interesting to watch politicians like Jerry and Ahnold start to squirm as they try to explain themselves to the American people.
Jerry and Ahnold’s problem of course, along with so many others like them, is that they really don’t understand the difference between science and religion. The former requires skepticism while the latter requires blind unquestioning faith. When the two get confused, you get climate alarmism, and never mind the problems with it. I know this observation has been noted here at WUWT in one way or another numerous times in the past, but it bears repeating.
Ah, but the faithful have already covered that, CD–see it’s we humans that are responsible for climate change, no matter which direction it is changing.
These scumbags have only one religion: power.
+1000
From the article: “Maybe you saw the former governor and erstwhile action star berating conservatives the other day for refusing to accept his view that the answer to climate change is the heavy hand of government.”
That’s the perfect way to put it.
Arnold should accept that not all people share his view, and that not sharing his view, doesn’t make them liars.
“I never molested any of those womens, but if I did they would have liked it.”
I wonder what Maria Shriver thinks about Arnold’s honesty. She’s known him quite a while.
Dear Arnold,
Consider my new workout routine: Do a hundred sets of eight biceps curls with 6 pounds — it’s the same as doing three sets with 200 pounds, right?
I’ll even let YOU do the video explaining this very logical argument that will surely make you lots more big bucks.
The climate cash register rings again and again.
“How has that worked so far? Schwarzenegger thinks it’s going just great. He said California showed how bipartisan cooperation can work, though he was a little iffy on the details.”
Well, CA is within a few percentage points of making the 2020 deadline, and each year, on average, it goes down. And those data are from before 2016. So it is going just great, most thinking people would say.
R-Skep,
Explain why CA imports a net daily average of 201 billion kWh from other western regions, or about 26% of its average daily demand?
https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=30192
Background reading:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_DC_Intertie
“Thinking people” do know what is going on, even if you do not.
It’ deem and do. The Democrats stole 55 electoral votes and a near veto- proof majority in California via illegal immigration and nobody, to this day, has done a damn thing about it. The chickens have come home to roost and unless something changes there will be more of the same.
It’s
With any luck, the California initiative to leave the Union will pass. I’m voting for it (then moving to Florida…)
Y’all are most welcome 🙂
Schwarzenegger’s job, for most of his adult life, was to lie convincingly.
Perhaps he’s so inured to the idea that he doesn’t realize how insulting he is being, false accusation and all (it can’t help but be false, given that he has no idea what most of the people he’s accusing are even saying, not to mention thinking).
But, by all means, guys, keep flapping your gums. The more people they offend and try to control, the more votes slip through their fingers.
Ah, yes. The RINO Aaaanold knows a lot about lying. Claims to be faithfull while boffing the maid, giving her a house for their son, and attends her family events to be part of his life (meanwhile driving his spouse, a Kennedy-Shriver away).
Yeah, I’m sure a B actor who can’t keep it zipped knows what is best… NOT!
I believe CO2 was an essential component of the atmosphere mix required to regenerate the Martian atmosphere.
Companies can pay for the carbon credits or pay a fine and pass all costs to consumers. This is easy to do as everyone in your industry will do the same thing. So there will be no revenue from cap and trade as a trading system. There will be no trading, just more taxes.
Except it’s a global market and the Chinese play a little differently!
Ah yes, the Screw the Little Guy Act. Well done. What kills me is that they keep getting elected. Ah, weel.
Arnold the Barbarian has primitive chimp brain
Yes, but you couldn’t stop the Russians and they blew up the entire planet!
Does she look like me?
http://static.srcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/Hit-Girl-2.jpg
Arnold. What makes you believe you hold the truth about our planet? Your education and experience perhaps? Who do you think holds the truth at that scale? Well, not many even claim such an absurdity. In case you chose to listen those who made such claims, I have news for you. None holds the truth: there is more than one religion on this planet and science is in continual evolution by definition.
Now, you are entitled to your political convictions, but not to instigating hate towards a group of people. It is not only counterproductive, it’s outright wrong. How do I know this? Because it is against human rights, see the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights e.g.:
Article I
All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.
Article 2
Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status. Furthermore, no distinction shall be made on the basis of the political, jurisdictional or international status of the country or territory to which a person belongs, whether it be independent, trust, non-self-governing or under any other limitation of sovereignty.
And in your case the wrong-doing is far worse, you are public figure and supposed to lead by example. And, because of your origin, you should know well why the declaration has been written in the first place. For these reasons you have profoundly disappointed me and should be ashamed.
To prevent further embarrassment, please read the declaration urgently at http://www.ohchr.org/EN/UDHR/Documents/UDHR_Translations/eng.pdf
While waiting for a more reasoned opinion to pass the sieve. It is known old age nurtures nostalgia. What if it’s Mr Freeze, Arnold?
H.L. Mencken said it best:
“The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary”.
He also said “The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule”.
What makes the work of watermelons (green outside, red inside) so easy is because, as Mencken said, “Most people want security in this world, not liberty”. If you frighten people enough, they will give up their liberties and happily do anything you say as long as you offer them soothing words.
And to quote HL again, “All government, of course, is against liberty”.
Can you think of a more apt description of climate change? And by the way, HL died in 1956
I have a collection of Mencken first editions, along with a nasty letter typed and signed by him. Thank you for providing a public service by keeping his thoughts alive.
“America did not drop out of the Paris agreement. America is fully in the Paris agreement,” Schwarzenegger said. “The states and the cities in America, the private sector, the academic sector, the scientists – everyone is still in the Paris agreement.”
OK, then when will the States and cities in America start writing the checks to the green climate fund as the Paris agreement demands? I believe the US portion is around $26B per year and at about 7% of the US economy, that would make California’s share just shy of $2B per year. If your in, your in, right Guv?
I know my state, Florida, isn’t ‘in’ as well as the rest of the Red States the socialicommimarxifascists call ‘flyover country’.
Don’t hold your breath waiting to see the socialists fork over their own cash to anyone, that’s what they’re best at-taking money from you & me & giving it to…….
Thanks to this article, I’ve discovered the following today:
WUWT? Combustion exhaust can be 1,200 degrees °F. Hydrogen only combustion, with zero carbon involved, >5,000 °F.
https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/business/julia-seymour/2016/11/10/schwarzenegger-wants-strap-anti-epa-mouths-exhaust-pipe-turn. Arnold is paving the way to be sued for crimes against humanity.
Our President was accused of trying to get journalists killed for merely reposting a satirical wrestling video.
Here we gave an Austrian from a certain touchy generation openly calling for killing skeptics and that’s okey dokey.
Arnold, your pal Al thought you were serious. It took him 10 seconds to tap out LOL
The EPA already tried this on seniors, although they didn’t quite strap them to the exhaust, just fed it into a sealed chamber.
https://junkscience.com/analysis-of-the-epa-documents-part-5/
“In 2007, the EPA began testing for the effects of diesel exhaust on “healthy, older adults” and whether dietary supplementation with omega-3 fatty acids would reduce any adverse effects of the diesel exhaust exposure
In these experiments, “older adults” meant study subjects of up to 75 years of age — 5 years more than the older adults (with metabolic syndrome) exposed to PM2.5 and ultra fine particles starting in 2004.
In exchange for risk life and health, the elderly adults will be paid the princely sum of $12 per hour (plus mileage) — up to a maximum of $1,087.
the EPA confusingly described the risks of diesel exhaust to the elderly subjects — you may cough or you may die…:”
“America is fully in the Paris agreement”. Sure it is Ahnold, sure. Just keep telling yourself that.
The cognitive dissonance is strong with this one.
Arnold seems to have lost something vital. Perhaps we can recover some and call it WUWT award.
http://www.genuinelostmarbles.com/images/wellrounded.png
I like it! I saved that pic & will redistribute as necessary–which probably means often.
Have to admit, I’m getting fundamentally fed up with the misanthropic mob central. But, after a second thought: if they throw determined enough hissy fits, it might haste the following development.
http://www.scienceforthepeople.net/graphics/GOCTectonicMap.jpg
Looks like a win-win to me.
Unfortunately, that’s only Baj
a, but I hear ya!
That’s why I think we should make nice with the North Koreans by allowing them to test their latest & greatest nukes along the San Andreas. Then maybe Arnold (and ours too) will get his wish & Cali really will be its own country, somewhere in the eastern Pacific.
A has been and a lunatic agreeing that everyone else is lying.
What can possibly be dubious about that?
http://hint.fm/wind/
One of the tell-tale signs of long-term steroid use is a swelled head and shrunken chestnuts.
Check. Check.
I don’t know what Jerry’s excuse is. Too much LDS back in the 60’s?
It very difficult for any politician to pass up an excuse to increase government power over the economy and people. Even their own “science” would show the stupid caps they came up with won’t stop the problem their “science” has created. They never conclude that maybe government waste is generating more carbon dioxide than all their efforts to cap it.
Farmland is being bought up in central British Columbia and fertile farm land near Dawson Creek area by a British firm to “offset” their carbon use in the U.K. Former Premier Chrusty Clarke, never said a word. They planted trees. Can’t have the people depending on themselves and not the government for food now can we. You can use your non-google search engine to find this. ie DuckDuckGo or Startpage. 🙂