From the “that ain’t gonna fly” department:
by Fred Palmer – Washington Examiner
Al Gore wants to reverse modernity and save the world from itself through an elimination of its fossil-fuel-based energy system. During the final week of April, his newly created Energy Transitions Commission released a document setting forth a fool’s-errand pathway to “decarbonize” the world’s energy system.
If this sounds familiar, it is. Gore’s plan features a new, sophisticated, and expensive public-relations campaign, but it’s all based on his views on carbon dioxide first broached in his 1992 book Earth in the Balance, which he reissued in 2000 for his failed presidential campaign. The subsequent efforts made by Gore during the past 25 years have transformed little from their genesis, and he remains as tragically wrong today as he was when he first surfaced as an opponent of everything linked to carbon-dioxide.
If you scroll through the verbiage surrounding the document, you will find the core policy recommendation is a massive, punishing carbon tax. Gore would start the tax at $50 per ton, which would increase to $100 per ton over time, essentially destroying the market for continued robust development of the world’s fossil-fuel base. Our economic growth and personal well-being depends on robust fossil-fuel use, so Gore’s plan would destroy these as well.
But, don’t worry! The all-in estimated cost to re-engineer humanity is only a mere $15 trillion—enough money to give every man, woman, and child in the United States more than $46,000.
Al Gore has been demonizing fossil fuels and attempting to marginalize all those involved in the traditional energy sector since 1988, the year the climate-change movement was rolled out in Washington, D.C., which happened to correspond with a nationwide heatwave and with Yellowstone in flames. Ever since, Gore’s pathway to political power and personal riches has been a successful one, to be sure, but his multi-trillion-dollar effort today is his most sophisticated effort to date. Unfortunately for him, it will also fail, because what he’s selling in his “new” proposal is bad for the people being asked to embrace it.
Full story: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/a-fools-errand-al-gores-15-trillion-carbon-tax/article/2622479
When this whole thing unravels, will there be contrition? Unlikely. Those who have lived well off of this will say, “we acted in the best interests of humanity based on the best science of the time”, and, “see, science is self-correcting”. And, finally, “Now, can I interest you in a little crisis over here we have been working on…”.
It’s sort of unravelling already. In Ontario (Canada) the premiere has a 12% approval rating because of sky high electricity prices. link When the carbon taxes kick in the cost of energy will cause massive public push back. Politicians will go down.
The left doesn’t care how much misery it’s causing to poor people, as long as they’re white. They don’t matter. That’s why we have President Trump. The left needs to read Listen Liberal! The Democrat party has betrayed its former base and has a lot to answer for. IMHO, they can’t get away with an effective (ie. one that actually reduces fossil fuel consumption) carbon tax.
where do you think this “carbon tax” is going to be levied? It will be TAKING $46,000 from every man, woman, and child in the United States.
They will obviously have to engineer a way of blaming this on Russia though.
Don’t be silly Greg, all we have to do is print whatever money is required.
/sarc(?)
print whatever money is required.
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the money must be borrowed from the Fed before it can be printed. the Fed is a private institution owned by the truly rich.
p@ranoia isn’t pretty
If the Gorical wants to be believed, he NEEDS to start living as he preaches first
They don’t even have to do that to increase the money supply.
I’ve often wondered about that too. In a few years when this whole global warming hysteria ends, will there be any apologies? Will the New York Times, the Associated Press, Time Magazine, the professors in their ivory towers, Al Gore, Obama, Trudeau, Jerry Brown, Angela Merkel, will any of them apologize? Will they offer reparations from their personal bank accounts or their corporate bank accounts for the coal miners they helped put out of work and for the economic damage they did? My best guess is that most of them will just arrogantly walk away from global warming, never admit they were wrong, and never admit personal responsibility.
Marty,
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha….aaaaaaa….hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha…..
Menicholas
A trifle underdone, I suggest!
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But I get your drift . . . . . . . . .
Has the New York Times ever apoligized for being Stalin’s cheerleader while he exterminated the Ukrainians in the 30’s?
Of course not, they gave themselves awards for how “courageous” they were.
While Al fiddles with yet more rent seeking “opportunities”, others are focused on new ways and means to generate cheaper electricity. Positron based generators are now in the lab. They are going to be very difficult to tax. No AG levy possible.
Is it the Dirac Current Positron Generator thing?
I can’t begin to describe my visceral disgust of man like Gore – and his equally grotesque associates.
The video says it all. Jail time would be well deserved, but sadly will never be realized in these times of PC justice.
https://youtu.be/WMqc7PCJ-nc?t=56
Energy Transitions Commission
Mouse-over each photo on this webpage for information on Commission members.
http://www.energy-transitions.org/who-we-are
The 12 Days Of Global Warming. Thank you, Al!
Some members and/or organizations associated with the Energy Transitions Commission have Canadian connections as well.
I had good intentions.
The ultimate get out of jail free card for members of the left.
“Now, can I interest you in a little crisis over here we have been working on…”
It was going to be “ocean acidification”, but even uneducated people could be educated on the meaning of pH values around 8.
It’s going to be “the global water crisis”, I’m sure. That meme is already shunting its way out of the station. The recent huge rainfalls here in N. California might have put a damper (ha ha) on things though. Let’s keep an eye on the guys with criminality replacing scruples in their heads, like Gleick, for example.
They have to do a little more work yet on making it a defensible crisis, but it’s coming. Oil company chemical transparency, water quality …… it’s happening (in my e-mailbox), or not happening as the case may be. Maybe the oil companies won’t roll over this time?
One of my old DHMO faves:
http://i497.photobucket.com/albums/rr340/jaschrumpf/dihydrogen_monoxide_is_an_acid.jpg
Dihydrogen monoxide and hydrogen hydroxide are two of the chemicals in ChemTrails.
Contrition? That would require sentient life and the Vegeton’s don’t posess that. The Vegeton’s thing is that vegetable life is the natural order of things and resent the development of animal life let alone humans etc was some sort of Satanic event that has to be reversed.
I am so very happy ManBearPig never became US President.
…we came within a gnats hair
can you imagine him as president?
Any time I want a particularly dreadful fantasy, right up there with unanesthetized major surgery.
Actually he might have messed things up enough that the Democrats would have imploded before we got stuck with Obama and we would by now have recovered.
The utterly amazing thing is that we got the better guy in both Bush elections.
There were 4 Bush elections, which ones are you referring to?
ANY of them (except the second Bush election).
I should have said Bush Jr.
Someone needs to lock this lunatic up.
No, just recognize him as always trying to make a buck. He knows (as do we all) that there are millions of leftists who will give him money to promote this kind of lunacy…and then he will also profit from the carbon credit market.
It is. Using capitalistic methods to sell phony socialist/phony liberal products …. but the suckers keep buying them. The virtue signaling genes must have conferred a pretty strong evolutionary advantage on humans.
No, just recognize him as always trying to make a buck. He knows (as do we all) that there are millions of leftists who will give him money to promote this kind of lunacy…and then he will also profit from the carbon credit market.
Sorry for the double entry.
Tx
Understood – but noted as a (very) reasonable emphasis!
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Actually if everyone would just point and laugh whenever he appears in public, the blow to his ego would kill him.
He might decarbonize HIMSELF ? 8>)
Not possible. Too much blubber. Perhaps he could be rendered like whales were for oil.
I don’t think we need to worry about “little Al” negotiating a deal on a carbon tax, he couldn’t even get a masseuse to give him a hand.
His new film “An Inconvenient Sequel” is due out July 28, so expect to see a lot more of the sex poodle over the next three months. Previews are already in theaters, and I saw it the other day. In it, he equates the storm surge from Sandy with the global ocean level rise he talked about in his first film. Only in Hollywood, I guess.
At some point in the future he will be viewed as the money-grubbing charlatan he is. Until then we must suffer this fool and those who love him. >sigh<
History has not been kind to failed politicians as it gave us such derived derogatory slurs from them as Bunk and Silhouette.
Perhaps we can come up with a word for Gore that refers to sloppy advocacy based pseudoscience.
Gorification?
“I cannot imagine that one soothsayer can look another in the eye without laughing.”
rocketscientist
Soothsayer-looking-at-another-soothsayer-without-laughing protocol:
1) Soothsayer A looks at Soothsayer B with one eye;
2) Soothsayer B looks at Soothsayer A with one eye;
3) Bothe Soothsayer A & B use their second eyes to look at their bank balance.
4) Repeat as many times as possible.
Come to Ontario Canada or Alberta to see the effects it has on the economy – hear the big sucking sound as money is transferred from the population to the government coffers.
Yes, and it all started in British Columbia with the first carbon tax in North America in 2008 now at $30 a ton going to $50 a ton by federal mandate next year. Supposedly revenue neutral, although that is a fantasy now too with $800 million more collected than given back in tax cuts. Just enough to buy the election being held today. Better the BC Liberals than the NDP Communists or Green Party being led by Dr. Andrew Weaver of IPCC fame.
Alberta’s carbon tax just kicked at the beginning of the year, so that will mean the Alberta NDP Communists are toast at the next election. Ontario and Quebec are going the Crap and Trade system, aligned with California, which will be a rats nest of red tape. And we think Oz is going down the drain, and they scrapped their carbon tax back in 2014.
isn’t most of BC’s electricity from hydro? That would make them more amenable to such a scheme. Were they perhaps hoping the rest of the country would moronically follow and destroy their economies leaving BC as the last province standing?
Ecofiscal Canada, Founded November, 2014
Advocates for carbon taxes in Canada.
Webpage also has their support and contributions information
https://ecofiscal.ca/the-commission/the-people-behind-the-commission
Quebec has about 95% hydro-electric and Manitoba has hydro-electric.
Yes, Thank goodness most of our domestic electricity is hydro, mainly large, but also a lot of run of river. And it is still reasonably priced overall with no carbon tax. BC is fairly well managed, as compared to say Ontario that now has nearly 1/4 trillion dollar debt and some of the highest electricity prices in North America.
The carbon tax applies to all fossil fuels in BC, so it still hits a large swath of the economy. BC is looking at a carbon tax of $70 a ton for all USA thermal coal exports, in a trade war over soft wood lumber. US has few coal terminals on the west coast so a lot of coal from USA goes thru BC.
“isn’t most of BC’s electricity from hydro?”
Yes. The Burrard Thermal power station emergency back up system for the major urban population of the lower mainland, located in Port Moody, was recently closed.
A new dam is under construction, the site-c dam, that will power 400,000 homes once built about 10 years from now.
We heat our homes with natural gas and still use fossil for our transportation.
The senate killed the federal government bill in 2010 that was to be the start of a national carbon tax. Maybe the senate can do it again.
PfC, Philanthropic Foundations Canada, Dec.10, 2014
Canada’s EcoFiscal Commission supported by several PfC members.
Foundation support list at:
http://www.pfc.ca/2014/12/canadas-ecofiscal-commission
“Green Party being led by Dr. Andrew Weaver of IPCC fame. …”
Isn’t that the same Weaver who runs the idiotic computer-based climate prognosticator that generates the second highest warming on the list of 73 model runs (that famous spaghetti chart)?
Yes Indeed Crispin, this is probably one of the most dangerous supposed ‘climate scientists’ there is that damaged the entire credibility of any honest discussion on AGW matters, as you point out. His way or the highway, just like the M@nnn. He sues his critics for libel when they disagree with him, but fortunately a Canadian Court just overturned a case he actually won and it will be reviewed by a higher court.
Unfortunately, he and a few of his ilk that hijacked the entire AGW-Climate Change conversation 15-20 years ago are still holding the planet hostage. Now Trump just said today he will wait wait to discuss the Paris Agreement with the G7 at the end of the month before making his mind up what to do.
He was a lead author in the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th scientific assessments. He was the chief editor of the Journal of Climate from 2005-2009. He was just re-elected tonight in BC’s provincial election as leader of the BC Green Party and could hold the balance of power in forming a government in the following days.
Canad and Mexico were easier targets to put over carbon taxes and cap-and-trade than in the U.S. In other words, Canada and Mexico were soft targets.
U.S. Department of Energy
Montana-Alberta Tie (MATL)
Presidential Permit/PP 399 issued 01-30-15
At:
https://energy.gov/oe/sevices/electricity-policy-coordination-and-implementation//international-electricity-regulatio-3
Click on PP 399, Montana Alberta Tie Ltd. (MATL) and follow the link to the MATL PDF.
This is public information available to all.
Involves wind energy/power from Montana to Alberta.
Try:
http://www.energy.gov/oe/services/electricity-policy-coordination-and-implementation/international-electricity-regulatio-3
MATL information PP-399 under U.S and Canada permits.
U.S. Department of Energy
Office of Inspector General
Office of Audits and Inspections
OAS-RA-12-01, November 4, 2011
Re: MATL, Montana to Alberta
Page 2:
“The line is intended to provide interconnections for proposed wind power generation farms in Montana.”
PDF at:
http://www.energy.gov/sites/prod/files/OAS-RA-12-01.pdf
Meanwhile, in the real world, in this century:
No warming except by Karlization.
No sea level rise acceleration.
Greening.
Thriving polar bears.
Recovery of Arctic multiyear ice.
Failed Kyoto Accord.
Failed climate models.
Failing Energiewende.
South Australia blackouts.
Useless Paris Accord.
And Gore marches on oblivious. Rev. Jones and cool-aid comes to mind.
ristvan
+ Lots.
Spot on. but I do not know how to make the voluntarily unsighted see.
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Lets learn to speak with more of one voice as skeptics, and repeat those sound bites everywhere we can. The warmunist echo chambers will amplify those simple incontrovertible messages. We can all amplify/riff at will.
If only there were a place people could go (and be sent) to read simple, yet scientifically sound, articles providing explanations of the basic climate and climate change matters/issues, and rebuttals to the chief alarmist claims and scare stories . . A sort of Watts Light, if you will . ..
But alas, there’s just no one anywhere with the sort of expertise or talent that would be required for writing such things these days . . ; )
JK, why not create same? I can provide plenty of substance.
Stop complaining and start contributing.
An additional section on this site would facilitate vastly more traffic than I could possibly hope to generate for many years . . O master ristvan ; )
That is the real tragedy of climate change. The alarmists, the charlatans, the scare mongers, the graft riders the kleptocrats, the publicity flaks, the green advertising agencies, the carbon traders, the scammers, the political hacks and the glitterati who made a name on this canard will get off without a charge. And when there are massive “stranded” costs vai wind and solar generation assets that are no longer economically viable without the subsidies, mandates, credits, tax schemes and green bonds to support them, it will be ratepayers and taxpayers who will be stuck with the debt, the writedowns and the decommissioning.
Guys like Al Gore Tom Steyer, Leonardo, Ban-Ki Moon, Neil de Grasse Tyson and Bill Nye the Science Idiot will just move onto the next scam. They will still be invited to the Upper East Side wine and cheese circuit, they will be toasted for their efforts, they will live a life most people can only dream of — but it will be a life based on lies, falsehoods and bad science.
My only hope is that Saint Peter will take a smoke break and let me decide on their judgement day.
Stop whining and start contributing. Not here, elsewhere.
Robust development of the world’s fossil fuel resources sure looks like a non starter. First we are running out of oil resources, so it’s important to use it efficiently. I would say it’s smarter to aim to keep crude and condensate production at say no more than 90 million BOPD (that’s about 10 % above current rate).
We are doing better with respect to gas, but it sure needs to be managed. This makes me think we do need to reactivate the nuclear power industry and try out better reactor designs, which eventually will be built in a continuous fashion (this should cut costs).
I think coal is in better shape, but we do need to make sure we draw out resources for hundreds of years so we can manage CO2 content to stay warm should another ice age start to kick in.
Uh, Fernando: Get back to your hideaway. “Running out of oil resources”? Is that why crude oil has become worth only a third of its price a year or so ago? Idiot.
Don’t confuse transient 2-3 year supply/demand imbalances with long term petroleum geophysics and the big picture.
For conventional oil (API>10, reservoir porosity >5%, reservoir permeability >10 millidarcies), creaming curves by basin say that about 75% of all that exists has already been discovered. And some of that takes oil prices north of $100/bbl to get developed (e.g. the 5 recently discovered Yamal giants, GoM deepwater). Conventional large fields in production representing over 2/3 of all current crude production are declining total output ~7%/year based on a 2008 IEA survey of ~800 fields. As for unconventional tight (fracked shale) oil, the TRR is significantly less than currently supposed (essays Reserve Reservations and Matryoshka Reserves in ebook Blowing Smoke illustrate the two main reasons why). Unconventional Orinoco tar sands and Athabascan bitumen sands require high prices to develop, can only be produced slowly because of their viscosity and the heating required, and are of lower value because missing light fractions even with added cost hydrogen upgrading to syncrude.
Fernando spent a career in the oil industry. I respect his knowledge. I have written parts of three books on this topic involving now 8 years of research. Conventional global crude production peaked in 2008, as predicted for decades before hand by people like Princton Geologist Deffeyes and TOTAL geologist LaHerre. Best current estimate of total peak annual production including unconventional crude is about 2023-2025 at a price somewhere between $110 and $140/bbl. We wont ‘run out’ of oil thereafter, but there will be scarcity and a lot of economic pain. Coal or nat gas to liquid transportation fuels via Fischer Tropsch catalysis (e.g. Sasol) to alleviate scarcity takes prices higher than about $180/bbl (Exxon for coal, the existing Shell Pearl project in Qatar for nat gas) with an energy conversion efficiency only about 60%. Raises EROEI concerns bigly.
texasjim
Please don’t call people names. We can read.
ristvan
“Coal or nat gas to liquid transportation fuels via Fischer Tropsch catalysis (e.g. Sasol) to alleviate scarcity takes prices higher than about $180/bbl ”
When SASOL was created it was guaranteed $27 a barrel, but was break-even under $20. In real terms that is nowhere near $180. China is building/has built two SASOL plants with their co-investment. They do not operate at anything like that cost.
I know you are very thorough in your research. Where does the $180 come from? I think there is a decimal point missing. It is all about natural gas or coal as an input so as those inputs change, so will the output cost. Coal is still really cheap and will be for a few centuries. At the moment SASOL in Sasolburg is using natural gas because it is cheap and available, but even at $50 they make a profit. They also produce polypropylene, waxes and dozens of other chemicals.
So even with an indirect process, it is going to be around and popular. Mongolia should build one given their hundreds of millions of tons of coal with high volatiles. Then there are more direct processes, rumoured to be under construction in China. I haven’t seen anything, but talk is there.
Jim,
I would think that Cheap Oil has only come about as an artificial construct to make the remainder oil assets unrecoverable due to artificially low prices
Fernando, you are aware aren’t you that oil is so abundant that the free market values it at less than fifty bucks a barrel and OPEC is desperately trying to artifically hold down production? And you are aware aren’t you that the United States alone has anywhere from a 200 year to a 500 year supply of coal in the ground. In all likelihood our technology will change decades before we run out of fossil fuels. (I do agree with you about building more nuclear.)
Marty, Fernando worked in the oil industry his whole career. You likely didn’t, or would not be displaying your lack of basic petrophysics knowledge. I have studied this topic closely for many years (as it directly impacts an invention/business I have in energy storage materials, in which I have invested personal $millions plus nearly $3 million of Navy money). You need to educate yourself and stop spouting easily disproved nonsense. You might start with the heavily footnoted energy essays in my inexpensive ebook Blowing Smoke. Follow the footnotes. Do not trust me. Verify everything yourself.
We got a couple hundred years for oil and gas, well over 1000 years for coal.
For oil, true but not at current production rates. For gas, depends on further fracking enhancement and shales in China that are under explored. You need to read deeply into this. One place to start are the energy essays in Blowing Smoke. Extensively footnoted to official and primary sources.
And what % rake-off will this disgusting manipulating leach take ???
As much as he needs. Like always.
Exactly. Follow the money. I suspect he will get more and more vocal as he sees his investments in green return less and less.
Thinking of doing a new song. What do you guys think?
http://www.m4gw.com/images/2017/GlobalWarming.jpg
Cannot wait for the Youtube version. Previous productions have been pure gold.
You guys Rock!
Keep up the great work.
Typo: “with such a farse he’d be on the run” — should be “farce”.
Otherwise, two thumbs up!
… not that it makes a difference when sung, of course.
Thinking of switching that to farce to fraud anyway but thanks.
I thought it was a play on conflation of fat arse. Oh well.
Hard to beat “Hide the Decline.” Classic.
You guys rock big time! Maybe a mention about crazy poodles to go with the polar bears and of course Political Correctness (PC). It’s the NOW fad.
I like it Elmer, but ya gotta pronounce the word “warming” like all those other rhymin’ words (harming, farming, etc) . . I say
I’d like to “elimination of its fossil-fuel-based energy system” as I think that sooner or later our supplies of oil and gas will come to an end. I suspect that AlaGorical’s plan somehow would just increase his fortune. But who am I to criticize a great Nobel winning scientist like Gore. ;(
This kind of makes Gore himself the biggest threat to modern civilization.
Deliberately so, in fact.
…And worse than asteroid impacts on the list of present dangers from a probability perspective.
An asteroid the size of Gore could do a lot of damage – at least to North Korea.
Al Gore always knew climate change was a load of blatherskite.
There was no mistake. It was deliberate.
You may be giving more credit than he deserves.
But that picture screams somebody ought to keep him away from the buffet line.
Giving him more credit than he deserves? A bit of smarts? ?
I’d much rather live among people of average intelligence who would never do something like that on purpose, than among above average ones who would . .
Biggest charlatan on the planet.
Forgive my repeat of poetic waxing, here’s
Pinwheels and Mirrors
A long time ago (in the 80’s or so),
Al Gore warned that warming would soon be alarming;
“Our children won’t know what it’s like to see snow!
Our atmosphere we must stop harming!”
He’d studied, in college, on James Hansen’s knowledge.
Then, over years of political careers,
He pondered this notion: The atmosphere and oceans
Are useful to raise public fears.
He made presentations to all the world’s nations.
His film (sci-fi trash) was a box office smash!
Academy sensation! Oscars, nominations
And copious currents of cash!
Then unto him fell the Peace Prize, Nobel…
Authority, on him was vested.
(Debates he must quell, for he knows quite well:
Models failed when reality tested.)
So, grew the meme of anthropogenic extreme.
While insiders profited highly,
Those who objected were quickly subjected
To ridicule (and regarded vilely).
Pinwheels and mirrors now litter the lands…
Power lines, mile after mile.
On high plains, sea cliffs and desert sands
Our vistas, they now beguile.
But, collectors of government subsidies
Find them a beautiful sight,
Big mechanical menaces… begging a breeze
Or a sunbeam to ‘make their cost right’.
Decades upcoming threaten cold’s icy numbing-
Nature’s cycles, in concert, are waning.
The slowness to warm should have cancelled alarm,
But Al never ceases campaigning:
“We humans are bad, with our fossil fuel fad,
It’s a fast-building carbon disaster!
And now it’s two-fold! It’s causing the cold
And the hotness to come so much faster!”
Yet, while he’s pleading that all should be heeding
His carbon reduction ambitions,
He hopes you’re not seeing his own footprint being
Hundreds of poor folks’ emissions.
Let’s hope he’s thought out, while jetting about,
The messages of his actions.
By far they outweigh any words he might say,
In the minds of the wiser factions.
OMG (my daughter tells me)…that picture was pretty well Baron Vladimir Harkonnen (from DUNE) See Here
(One of the few trilogies that was made up of FOUR books).
The Hitch Hiker’s Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy in Five Parts
Beat that.
You win. 🙂
It’s taught in the schools from the time they can crawl, it’s hammered home every day in the press, on TV, and in the movies. Wide swaths of American politicians running on that one, wide plank get elected by the backing of mutant, stupendous “environmental” groups with huge campaign war chests at their disposal. This isn’t just going to go away. Like Obama said, “we’ll just do it”. And with the backing of a rabidly liberal judicial and regulatory scheme already in place, they could well pull it off.
So well said. Kids come out like mono tone robots. Liberal teachers are to blame. Steep hill for us to climb as parents. I have tried and sadly failed.
Perhaps teachers nowadays are not purposely liberal as much as they are just indoctrinated by the system. The average age of teachers is now among those who were taught human culpability for inclement weather.
The problem with a carbon tax is that ultimately the collected money is used by those in power to remain in power such as bribing an electorate just before an election with their own money. Or they wind up extorting certain green sectors of the economy with pet projects or say it is revenue neutral, when it actually isn’t. So it has the potential to become a huge slush fund by taxation to give advantage to one sector over another, who has to pay for the subsidized (usual green) sector. This cash grab by politicians is why it is so easy for them to get on the AGW band wagon, because it means a lot of cash filling the coffers that they get to largely dictate how it is spent. Including getting themselves re-elected. The danger is, that governments of any stripe will eventually get on this bandwagon because of the allure if so much tax money from everything bought and sold with any ‘carbon’ component to it.
The problem with Crap and Trade, is that the financial markets like it, since they can ‘skim’ off huge profits of every transaction with doing no actual work. So with politicians and investment bankers lining their pockets with this scam, business has no choice but to play ball and buy useless permits that are fake anyway. This is a scammers paradise and very difficult to monitor.
President Trump is the last line of defense against all this madness, but I fear he too has now seen all the money available to skim off every transaction, so I wonder what he really will do with the Paris Agreement later this month? If he doesn’t drop Paris, or at least send it to the Senate for a vote, then I fear it is all lost.
I’m not buying Big Al’s sincerity until he proposes a Lunch Buffet Tax.
Andrew
Regardless of what you think of Trump, just think where we’d be headed under Clinton.
How about taxing all food 1,000%, that should accomplish their ultimate goal too.
If only there were some way to sew Al Gore’s mouth shut… think of the drop in CO2 levels!
Maybe it’s time to sacrifice a wheel of goat cheese to the great god Shu, the Egyptian god of the atmosphere. He’s the one who controls the weather and climate, not us puny humans.
On a more serious note, it will only stop when people stop swallowing that BS. The language used is aimed straight at the emotions of the supposedly less-informed, but eventually, they, too will slip away.
One can only hope.
[Perhaps the even greater god “Bali Shue” would respond favorably to fresh baked bread, some artful whine, and that wheel of goat cheese? .mod]
Heehee! Fine with me! Name the date! I have a Beaujolais Villages I’ve been saving for the next Ice Age. I could chill the wine in the nearest glacier.
Frankly, as long as there is a TV camera or an internet connection some place, the silliness will continue. But perhaps with enough exposure of the fraud, it may wither. Reality does have its moments.
“sophisticated and expensive public-relations campaign”
That describes CAGW perfectly!
Sanctuary!….Sanctuary!….
uuugghhh!
Meanwhile in Europe Macron returns France to the subservient Vichy era – playing to frau Mutter’s court.
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Wow. i’m all in favor of this.
Great wine, great cheese AND IT’S ILLEGAL TO WORK MORE THAN 32hrs/wk! What’s not to like?
Is Barbara Streisand considered a climate scientist?
The photo of Gore looks like it was from 20 years ago . Maybe he just didn’t have makeup on at the climate march but fading appearances aside this sounds like another
failed Chicago Climate Exchange venture .
It must have really screwed up the launch of this latest venture when President Trump
got elected . Hey maybe the Russians stole Florida from Gore or perhaps the
American public is just more clever than the earth has a fever promoters assume .
Go big or go home but desperation is creeping into the climate hoax and it shows .
Politicians are about to be unelected in bastions of politically correct climate fraud .
Alberta , Ontario , Australia to name a few .
Would the combined scientific credentials of Gore , Dicaprio , and Nye
equal grade 11 ? Who gives a S what these actors have to say ?
Businesses are just tax collectors that add the tax cost into customer bills that is why
some of the oil/gas companies support more taxes . Give the government what they want and puff up their chests about how socially responsible they are . Complete crap.
Low income and the shrinking middle class get screwed every time .
Jet setting actors and failed politicians don’t wear it .
You mean Al Gore’s US$14.5 trillion carbon tax – the other half trillion will go towards “administrative” expences.
Cheers
Roger
htt://www.thedemiseofchristchurch.com
How does NASA get away with putting this kind of garbage on their webpages?
“Global sea level rose about 8 inches in the last century. The rate in the last two decades, however, is nearly double that of the last century.4”
https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/
Who’s in charge over there of publishing this nonsense and continuing to alarm the uneducated masses?
Can’t something be done?
The Tidal Gauge network shows no such increase and they damn well know it.
Maybe whoever it is can be fired on the spot, like James Comey was just fired – head of the FBI…
From what I’ve read on WUWT and other papers, the sea level rise has been at the rate of 6-7 inches per century, and it hasn’t been accelerating at all. Not 8 inches per year…
One ref:
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/01/21/new-website-gives-you-the-real-deal-on-sea-level-rise-and-rates/
“From the slope we can see that over the 110 year history of that tide gauge, sea-level has risen at an average rate of 1.434 ±0.211 mm per year, i.e., 4.8 to 6.5 inches per century. (That’s very typical, by the way.)”
Are they doubling down? I taught upper level university oceanography and had no idea that the precision of measurements have increased that much, among other things.
“Since the beginning of the Industrial Revolution, the acidity of surface ocean waters has increased by about 30 percent”
“The oceans have absorbed much of this increased heat, with the top 700 meters (about 2,300 feet) of ocean showing warming of 0.302 degrees Fahrenheit since 1969” Three decimal places???
“Ninety-seven percent of climate scientists agree that climate-warming trends over the past century are very likely due to human activities, and most of the leading scientific organizations worldwide have issued public statements endorsing this position.”
Guess I better go back to school!
97% of climate statistics are made up and reported to two more decimal places than can be justified by the quality of the underlying data.
If all these rich,socialist elite “EcoLoons” donated all the extra billions they have expropriated from the poor of the world, they wouldn’t need to beg for money……Hypocrisy at it’s worst !
Interested sceening reminds me of Berkeley .
Gore has a lot of big ideas that always seem to unwind . Chicago Climate
Exchange , ice free Arctic come to mind .
He and the rest of the clan keep getting richer while you’re making fun of them, in the end none of them will be getting held accountable for leeching off all that wealth. Al gore is smarter.
I like how South Park portrays Algore. and he’s so “super serious”
Yea – he had some serious ‘splaining to do to Tipper (who obviously didn’t believe him) about the massage parlor thing(s).
Well, since it wasn’t “peer-reviewed”, let alone “pal-reviewed”, I’d say it is safe (and safer for the rest of the world) to ignore Al’s latest attempt to accumulate more per$onal Green.
PS Great picture of Al.
Did someone just “pull his finger’?
Nah
He is just getting rid of a large amount of excess methane.
Here’s MY future tax solution:
After the falsehood of the human-caused-CO2-climate-change position becomes widely recognized as a rare moment of world stupidity from which humanity successfully recovered, a “sanity recuperation tax” should be levied upon all those who publicly proclaimed climate disaster (as documented by written proof of their proclamations in blogs or newspapers or professional journals). In the USA, for example, the IRS would require “any and all persons who produced publicly displayed writings proclaiming adverse human-caused climate change shall submit a written copy of at least one such writing, along with their W-2s and various tax schedules, in order to be properly and fully assessed for their full tax obligations”. A rate schedule would be applied based on income level and other considerations, and the accumulated fund of extra tax revenue would be used to fund REAL climate research.
My econometric model shows that if we eliminated the use of fossil fuels tomorrow, the world’s population would go from 7+ billion today to 2 billion within 2 years. In other words, the greatest genocide in the history of humanity. With no planes, no ships and trucks to distribute food, the US would have to move from the current 1% of people who are farmers to 80% subsistence farming. The cities would become deserted since the food distribution system would go back to the 1800’s. Not to mention that you could only use elevators when the sun is out or the wind blowing.
My buddies peer reviewed the paper and it got published, but the computer is now kaput. So you will have to take my word for the fact usage of fossil fuels is the control knob for human population.
+10
I guess you have a fondness for baloney. Before you publish that kindof thing, you might do a little historical research. In the 1800s, city populations were increasing. There was plenty of ‘food distribution’, or have you never heard of the Teamsters? Those guys who drove teams of draft horses into cities from outlying areas to bring produce into cities? Never heard of them? Occasionally, you should take into account things like the city of London, which was beginning to pipe gas for lighting into people’s houses by 1815, when the Thames froze over.
Your econometric model is completely incorrect.
Hum, so how many teams of draft horses does it take to replace 100s of thousands of semi trucks delivering in every citi and town?
The current cities were designed with plentiful electricity in mind. In order to return to the cities of the 1800’s, most of the buildings would have to be torn down and rebuilt.
Not to mention the fact that current population densities are unsupportable. The streets aren’t big enough to get enough horse drawn wagons through them to support the current population. Not to mention the problem with all the horse poop.
I think you have overlooked some details in your reply. What was the population of London in 1815 compared to today? How many draft horses are currently available for teamsters to use today, not riding (pet) horses, compared to 1815? What kind of gas was being piped (look up producer gas- remember the subject is eliminating fossil fuel use entirely)? How long would the current estimated reserves of food in Britain last if all imports stopped (cargo ships and aircraft ((not to mention trucks)) run on fossil fuels)? How would we preserve what food would be available without a reliable source of electricity for refrigeration? Ditto Vaccines? The list of activities and support services that civilization depends on goes on and on… I think the estimate of a population of 2 billion may be wildly optimistic.
For further reference you might want to watch the first episode of James Burke’s original “Connections” series, available free on youtube.
Apparently, Sara, you have a fondness for blubber, as you yearn for the revival of the whaling industry.
Sara, I have heard of the teamsters (was one once) and have also driven historic horse and mule teams. Among the largest teams ever used was the famous “20 mule team” of California borax mine fame. They carried about half of a tractor-trailer load (20,000 pounds) at less than 10% of the speed and a had a max range of less than 50 miles. Ask any cowboy how perky his horse is after a 40 mile circle during roundup and ask any modern teamster trucker how long it would take to deliver a load at 5-6mph and 40-50 miles/day. And that was in the warm, dry California high desert. Good luck driving any kind of team in Fargo or Buffalo, NY in winter without a diesel snow plow in the lead. And calculate how many teams it would take to keep NYC fed during an average winter and how much hay & grain would be required. World population in 1815 was barely 1 billion and famines and starvation happened constantly. Leon’s 2 billion is optimistic and your econometric model is based on a romantic notion of a past that never was, not reality.
Frat boy gone wild
Fat boy or Frat boy, or both?
Frat
So, Algore:The Goreacle has $15 trillion to piss away on a fake tax? Cool, brah, break it out and pass it around, ya won’t have so much!
With a face like that… how could he NOT be POTUS?
This buffoon of delusional anti-science self aggrandizing kleptocracy is a misanthropic monster at heart.
Al Gore is awesome you guys. C’mon.
Who else makes it snow wherever they go?
Santa Claus is the closest. That simply makes Al Gore simply awesome. Simple as that.
“But, don’t worry! The all-in estimated cost to re-engineer humanity is only a mere $15 trillion—enough money to give every man, woman, and child in the United States more than $46,000.”
But, don’t worry! The all-in estimated cost to re-engineer humanity is only a mere $15 trillion—enough money to give every man, woman, and child in the world more than $2500.
But, don’t worry! The all-in estimated cost to re-engineer humanity is only a mere $15 trillion—enough money to give every intelligent climate science skeptic 7.5 trillion.
Your alarmist economic concerns about destroying the economy are nothing but a hoax. I see no falsifiable science that proves a carbon tax will cause the disaster you imagine.
We have had taxes in the past and survived..we are as resilient as corals.
Lol, Mosher claims there are only two intelligent climate skeptics… LOL… and then claims we could actuall impose a 15 trillion dollar tax on CO2 and not have immense economic collapse.
Mosher lives in his own reality and believes whatever he is paid to believe.
I’m guessing you believe that you have insulted me?
In other words, you are posting to entertain yourself.
Nothing new there.
I love the way socialists actually believe that high taxes on other people aren’t a problem.
No falsifiable science that AGW even exist !!
A bowler hat and a wee moustache – he could easily pass for Stan Laurel
We appear to be fated to suffer Al Gore and his ilk including those in Europe until he dies and they die as well. It is natural.
And unfortunate.
It’s such a joy watching the slow-motion CAGW train wreck unfold:
http://media2.picsearch.com/is?zn5ZSpeao7gXop7bwJi4BWk-Rp0doy4Yjzi-vRymQH8&height=341
Leftists don’t have a clue about the massive blowback they’re facing once taxpayers finally realize the lost money, jobs and living standards they needlessly endured for absolutely no reason whatsoever.
I want to know, what alternative freaking universe do these idiots live in? If you find out, would you enlighten me? I’d hate to have them show up on my doorstep in winter, starving and cold, and expect me to feed, clothe and house them when they contribute nothing but air pollution to the world.
Speaking of such trillions, back when Canada’s population was 20million, an economist friend of mine proposed an idea that I thought had merit. Put Canada up for sale for a million dollars per person and give each person the cash to do with as they pleased. They could live where they wanted, even staying where they were.
Great Thread! Thanks, folks.
And to think, this illiterate politician was within a stones throw of becoming president of the USA .
A few large meteors have whizzed by earth since then also. Life is fragile.
When big Al is involved.
first question is ..
HOW MUCH will he make from this bit of the scam !!!
Could we take down the offensive picture of Gore now? Just clouds would be good.
He looks constipated in that picture.
Blue balls? He can’t seem to pass much these days.
https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=LuXcPNAF&id=D172A0CC3AD9807CD88874A4CD3CE18F91512C6B&thid=OIP.LuXcPNAFHnT75kM4yS3IWgDWEs&q=blue+balls&simid=608031134216618410&selectedIndex=1&qpvt=blue+balls
The money keeps rolling in.
Obama will give his speech in Milan at Seeds and Chips, a conference on the impact that technology, innovation and climate change will have on food availability and production worldwide.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/802063/Barack-Obama-speech-Global-Food-Innovation-Summit-Milan-private-speech-Wall-Street
After bringing the city to a standstill with a convoy of 14 cars, a helicopter and a 300-strong police escort, President Obama’s entourage reportedly took over two floors of the hotel.
A trillion here, a trillion there, pretty soon you are talking about real money!
Crispin – Yeah, the same Weaver. We may surpass Ontario in economy-crippling policies if they have their way. No pipelines, no natural resource development, no coal transport, big Carbon taxes, not even lng. Maybe they’ll really screw up and side with the NDP for a coalition, in which case there’s some potential for a recovery in 4 years….
Every new photo of Gore makes him more like Jaba.
Gore lost the big mike and has been chasing it
ever since . Apparently wealthy but I wonder who he owes .
He may yet pull of the $trillion dollar save the planet hoax
as Trump is getting weak in the knee’s from being daddy whipped .
Unbelievable how non elected , scientifically challenged individuals are even in the position to shake down tax payers for $Trillions . System gone nuts .
They don’t have to worry about nukes . The climate cartel will bring them down .
Flow Chart Of Reality
Government imposes carbon tax on fossil fuel companies ————-> Fossil fuel companies pay government ————> Government pays subsidies as rewards to consumers ————> Fossil fuel companies raise consumer rates to offset carbon tax, so they can keep doing business as usual —————-> Consumers pay more for fossil fuels that keep things going as usual, using government subsidies to pay the increased fossil-fuel rate ———–> Technological development remains on its course UNCHANGED ————> CO2 levels remain on course UNCHANGED
————> more time is wasted on paper work and accounting that could be put into useful work ————> Al Gore gets more famous or infamous, depending on how one might define “fame”.
Grateful consumers vote for the politician that taxes money from other people and gives it to them.
Not realizing that the money to pay those taxes ultimately comes from their own pockets.
This ominous threat follows relentless indoctrination of the false perception that CO2 has a significant effect on climate. CO2 has no significant effect on climate. Thermalization and Maxwell-Boltzmann distribution of molecule energy explain why. At low altitudes EMR energy absorbed by CO2 is effectively shifted by the M-B distribution to the lower energy absorb/emit bands of water vapor molecules. The ‘notches’ in top-of-atmosphere EMR measurements above temperate zones demonstrate this.
The only thing countering the temperature decline that would otherwise be occurring is the increasing trend in water vapor. (‘Otherwise’ results from declining net effect of ocean cycles since 2005 and declining solar activity which has been declining since 2014 and dropped below ‘breakeven’ in early 2016.) Average global atmospheric water vapor has been measured and reported by NASA/RSS since 1988 and shows an uptrend of 1.5% per decade. WV has increased about 8% since the more rapid increase began in about 1960.
Links to source data and graphs showing this are at http://globalclimatedrivers2.blogspot.com
The warmer temperature is welcome but the added WV increases the risk of flooding. IMO all rainwater retaining systems (dams, dykes, etc.) should be upgraded from design for 100 yr floods to 10,000 yr floods.
Hey everyone, if you have some time, I’d love some critiques of this article.
CO2 Can’t Cause the Warming Alarmists Claim it Does
In conclusion, if you break the data down to isolate the impact of CO2 on atmospheric temperatures, there simply isn’t a strong case to be made that CO2 is the cause of the warming. Yes the oceans are warming, yes temperatures have been warming, but that doesn’t mean CO2 is the cause of that warming. If you isolate the impact of CO2 by removing the impact of the oceans, the urban heat island effect, and atmospheric water vapor, the result is that those areas show no warming what so ever. CO2 increased from 335 ppm to 405 ppm in Antarctica, and it had no impact at all, none, nada, zip.
https://co2islife.wordpress.com/2017/05/10/co2-cant-cause-the-warming-alarmists-claim-it-does/
The warmth of water is determined by two factors. Energy in and energy out. If the atmosphere warms and the amount of sunshine stays constant, then the oceans will warm until they can re-establish the balance.
Sure, but you are dealing with 1) a 2000 to 1 ratio and 2) H2O saturates above the water, so CO2 is irrelevant over the oceans. If a greenhouse gas is causing the oceans to warm, it is H20, not CO2.
Only $46K?
Major Fail:
The real dramatic climate change happened 12.800 years ago,
https://youtu.be/OFmVXj_Huxk
Gore’s last swing for the fence . It’ s been a good ride for him .
Think of it , a guy with virtually no scientific training selling the earth has a fever and now a $!5 trillion dollar
trip to no where . Only in America .
It must have been a devastating blow to lose the Presidency . And to think Russia probably caused that too . Who knew Exxon ? Actually Russia has spoken a tad more honestly than most of the climate cartel .
The climate caper is over . Now scientists are free to do their thing. Dispute , discuss and restore trust
by employing the scientific method while being unafraid to express the current limits of climate science .
Love the Russia diversion story playing out . Can’t wait to see the list of citizens “wiretapped ” and how many climate scientists were targeted .