Why I decided not to take Kenji to the DC 'March for Science'

From the refund is due to his supporters department…

Back on January 30th I posted this:

Help send Kenji to the “Scientists March on Washington” event!

From the “all’s fair in love, war, and climate science” department comes this opportunity.

On Facebook, Dr. Roy Spencer made a comment related to a post on the original website calling for scientists to “March on Washington” to…

…take a stand for science in politics. Slashing funding and restricting scientists from communicating their findings (from tax-funded research!) with the public is absurd and cannot be allowed to stand as policy.

They add (bold mine):

Who can participate:

“Anyone who believes in empirical science. That’s it. That’s the only requirement. We will both have a diversity committee and a diverse steering committee that represents people of many backgrounds and identities. Science is done by POC, women, immigrants, LGBTQ, indigenous people, people of all beliefs and non-belief. We hope that this diversity is reflected in both the leadership of the march and the march itself.”

Dr. Spencer commented:

It is ironic that they emphasize “empirical science”, since that’s what argues against global warming being a problem. It’s the “theoretical science” they have to invoke to scare people.

But the comment by Dr. Spencer that motivates this post is this one:

Since *everyone* is invited to a “scientists march”, I’m reminded of the time Anthony Watts had his dog join the Union of Concerned Scientists. https://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/10/07/friday-funny-the-newest-member-of-the-union-of-concerned-scientists/

adding:

Kenji might need a white lab coat though.

It seemed like a good idea at the time…and people raised about $1100 towards it. I wrote then:


To do this, Kenji and I will need to fly from California to Washington DC. I’ll fly coach, probably Kenji will fly doggie carrier under the seat, which Southwest airlines allows for a $100 fee each way. Also, he’ll need to get a health certificate from the vet to fly. We’ll need to get a dog-friendly hotel for a couple of nights at a minimum, transportation to/from the hotel/event and I’ll need to make a sign to carry, get a custom white lab coatfor Kenji, plus do some training with Kenji to get him acclimated to large crowds. Since he is so small, and could easily be stepped on, or kicked on purpose, I’ll likely get a chest carrier for small dogs like this one.

We’ll have a two-sided sign, one that shows support for science, and on the reverse, a picture of the worst climate monitoring station ever found by the surfacestations project at the University of Arizona with the question “If you measure climate in a parking lot, is it still science?”

Tucson-USHCN

Help Kenji go!

Estimated costs by the time this is all done is about $2000-2500. Since Kenji is still waitng for the #BigOil check, or a grant from the #KochBrothers and has no funds of his own, he’s asking WUWT readers to kick in some pocket change ($10-25 or set your own level) to help get there and “March for Science” (whenever that is they haven’t got the date set yet).

Of course, we’ll have pictures, commentary, and probably some hilarious reactions by people to this.


And most importantly, I wrote:

Also, if we don’t get enough donations to make it happen, they will be refunded. Thanks, Anthony

I made it work on the $1100 raised, using a frequent flyer pass I have, but then things started to get weird, and the March for Science has descended into a farce. It was pretty bad when they didn’t even want Bill Nye because his skin color was wrong:

The March for Science, scheduled for April 22, was planning to have Bill Nye, the Science Guy, function as the event’s first honorary co-chair, but then made a startling discovery.

Nye is white.

That did it; complaints mounted that the event was not featuring people of color, and voila! As Buzzfeed reports, “Mona Hanna-Attisha, the pediatrician who first exposed dangerous lead poisoning among the mostly poor black kids in Flint, Michigan, and Lydia Villa-Komaroff, a molecular biologist famous for helping to figure out how to get bacteria to make insulin,” were added to the list.

Forget the fact that Nye isn’t even a scientist; Stephani Page, a biophysicist at University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill who was invited to the march’s board after she questioned its commitment to diversity, fulminated, “I love Bill Nye. But I do feel comfortable saying to you what I said to the steering committee: He is a white male, and in that way he does represent the status quo of science, of what it is to be a scientist.” Page added that adding the two women “was an opportunity to put up a picture of science that did not just fit the white male image.”

The march’s lead organizer, Jonathan Berman, admitted, “We did talk internally about the optics of having the first person to be announced be only a white man.”

Then we started seeing other things that were disturbing, Via William Briggs:


Because it seems organizers believe scientific results are less important than who is producing them. Diversity trumps science.

Proof? Buzzfeed reports that, so far, the March for Science has already gone through “four diversity statements.” So the Twitter account @ScienceMarchDC tweeted (and later deleted) “colonization, racism, immigration, native rights, sexism, ableism, queer-, trans-, intersex-phobia, & econ justice are scientific issues.” The tweet also pictured a black power fist and rainbow flag icons.

Of course, science per se is silent on all these matters. But that’s because natural science alone is mute on every moral and ethical question put to it. Including the question whether to deign to include a white man holding a science baton.

“I love Bill Nye,” said Stephani Page, a biophysicist at University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill, who created the Twitter hashtag #BlackAndSTEM. Page was asked to join the march’s board in February after she tweeted criticism of its approach to diversity. “But I do feel comfortable saying to you what I said to the steering committee: He is a white male, and in that way he does represent the status quo of science, of what it is to be a scientist.”

And being a scientist is not about race and sex. It’s about intelligence, talent, interest, drive, money, and luck. Much the same as what success in most fields require.

The March organizers say nothing about this. They want us to know what they really stand for (emphasis original):

Inclusion, diversity, equity, and accessibility are integral to this mission and to our overall goals and principles. People have rightly pointed out that some of our own public communications, including social media posts, have not affirmed this stance. …We are actively partnering with and seeking advice from organizations and individuals with expertise in this area. We cannot ignore issues of racism, sexism, homophobia, ableism, xenophobia, or any other form of discrimination in the discussion and implementation of science. Nor can we ignore the ways in which science has been misused to harm marginalized communities. The lack of inclusivity and diversity in STEM thwarts scientific advancements not only by limiting who conducts the research, but also by influencing what topics are studied, who participates in the research, and who will benefit from or be harmed by it.

Sound like left wing politics to you, and not science? That was the effect they were going for. Organizers insist, “It was a mistake to ever imply that the March for Science is apolitical — while this march is explicitly non-partisan, it is political” (the original statement was in bold type).


And this tweet, put it over the top for me:

Umm, yeah, it’s about your employment contract, science for sure. Not.

Basically, what started out as a march put together by some people concerned about the Trump administration changes to the bureaucracy, has descended into a free-for-all encompassing just about every social issue there is. For example, this “Union of Concerned Scientists” wonk:

Some people have pulled out already. With junk like this Tweet from the UCS organizers, it’s easy to see why. I predict this will descend further into social anarchy, and some Marches will have some violence break out. I don’t want to be anywhere near that if it happens, but more importantly, any message Dr. Roy Spencer and I had intended to convey in a humorous way, will get drowned in a cacophony of social justice garbage that has nothing at all to do with science.

Organizers promised that hundreds of thousands would participate in an April 22 March for Science planned for hundreds of cities worldwide and an April 29 People’s Climate March in Washington, DC.

These events have no more to do with science or climate change than do UN programs or the Paris climate treaty. Their own leaders make that perfectly clear.

A climate website asserts that marchers intend to mark President Trump’s 100th day in office “with a massive demonstration that shows our resistance is not going to wane.” They intend to “block Trump’s entire fossil fuel agenda,” with Berkeley-style tantrums and riots, most likely.

A science march website says this is “explicitly a political movement, aimed at holding leaders in science and politics accountable” for trying to “skew, ignore, misuse or interfere with science.”

That pious language really means they intend to allow no deviation from climate cataclysm doctrines.

Even left-leaning CNN is starting to question it.

So,  while it seemed like a fun idea for Kenji and I to attend and to mock it from a science perspective, I fear that given it’s turned into an ugly political/social farce, it will turn ugly for us. I’m not going, Kenji isn’t going, and anybody who contributed towards travel is due a refund if [they] want it.

Some people mentioned in comments on the original thread not to worry about it if we didn’t go, but that doesn’t speak for everyone, so drop me a note in comments if you’d like a refund for your contribution and I’ll gladly do it, otherwise, I’ll put it towards other things to support WUWT.

Thanks for your consideration, and for your help. – Anthony Watts

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mickeldoo
April 21, 2017 2:23 pm

Actually it’s a Natural Climate Change Denier’s March. LOL!

MarkW
April 21, 2017 2:24 pm

How does the quote go about history repeating first as tragedy, then as farce.
The warmista have fully descended into farce.

Goldrider
Reply to  MarkW
April 22, 2017 6:44 am

A good replacement for Barnum & Bailey–the circus is in town! Complete with sideshow freaks.

Phil R
Reply to  Goldrider
April 22, 2017 8:27 am

I’m only down to the third comment, and already vote this one best comment of the day! I went to our local (Norfolk, VA) thing this morning for the entertainment value. Maybe two to three hundred people (including future brainwashed kids). Took pictures of some signs, then left.

chris moffatt
Reply to  Goldrider
April 22, 2017 4:33 pm

Wait!What? Norfolk is going to be under water within twenty years was it? And only a few hundred turned out? Don’t the local people want to save their city?
Where I live (on the bay about 40 miles north of Norfolk) we have subsidence due to a still-infilling asteroid crater from millions of years ago coupled with isostatic rebound and some localized subsidence and re-arrangement by Mother Nature of watercourses and marshlands. I’m hoping to have sailboat depth at my dock within a few years. No protest from me.

noaaprogrammer
Reply to  Goldrider
April 22, 2017 5:43 pm

Evidently the March For Science organizers realized that there wouldn’t be too many participants unless they opened up the march to a coalition of all the left-wing social causes to pad their ranks.

Latitude
Reply to  MarkW
April 22, 2017 7:08 am

“How does the quote go about history repeating first as tragedy, then as farce.”…..
“”The Arctic Ocean is warming up, icebergs are growing scarcer and
in some places the seals are finding the water too hot, according to a
report to the Commerce Department yesterday from Consulate at Bergen Norway
Reports from fishermen, seal hunters and explorers all point to a radical
change in climate conditions and hitherto unheard-of temperatures in the Arctic zone.
Exploration expeditions report that scarcely any ice has been met as far
north as 81 degrees 29 minutes.
Soundings to a depth of 3,100 meters showed the Gulf Stream still very
warm.
Great masses of ice have been replaced by moraines of earth and stones, the report continued, while at many points well known glaciers have entirely disappeared.
Very few seals and no white fish are found in the eastern Arctic, while
vast shoals of herring and smelt which have never before ventured so far
north, are being encountered in the old seal fishing grounds.
Within a few years it is predicted that due to the ice melt the sea will
rise and make most coastal cities uninhabitable.”””
November 2, 1922,
The Washington Post
…………..94 years ago.

Phil R
Reply to  Latitude
April 22, 2017 8:29 am

I’ve seen that before, thanks for the reminder. 🙂

Reply to  Latitude
April 22, 2017 8:29 am

The Washington Post is still running the same story, every year for 94 years. Saves on the cost of reporters.

Robert Wykoff
Reply to  Latitude
April 22, 2017 9:53 am

For the left, history starts every day at breakfast

MarkW
April 21, 2017 2:25 pm

As to violence, lots of people have started to notice that those who scream the loudest about tolerance are also the most violent towards anyone who disagrees with them.

Reply to  MarkW
April 21, 2017 2:43 pm

It’s hypocrisy all the way down.

Duncan
Reply to  cephus0
April 21, 2017 3:27 pm

Unfortunately in their ‘minds’ they see people who disagree with them as being intolerant in the first place. So if they burn and riot they are a social warriors on the right and just side. They do not and will not see the hypocrisy.
It is a free society with personal rights and freedoms. We are Liberals, you will Assimilate. Resistance is Futile.

Reply to  cephus0
April 22, 2017 2:38 am

Only the first Pi cubed layers. After that it’s turtles.

Reply to  MarkW
April 21, 2017 3:40 pm

I tell everyone I know that the prophets of tolerance are the most intolerant people of all.

Reply to  Latitude
April 26, 2017 6:24 pm

After this march, I think we can dub the participants AntiSci.

Reply to  Deborah Beatty
April 27, 2017 7:34 pm

Deborah Beatty:
Post march, one could dub some of the participants pseudoscientists, as you suggest. Pre-march one could do the same. A decade ago, Vincent Gray alerted climatologists to this reality in the paper that he titled “Spinning the Climate.” Gray reported having informed IPCC management that the IPCC’s climate models were not truly cross validated though the IPCC was implying them to have been cross validated by the wording of its assessment reports. In tacit admission of Gray’s indictment, the IPCC changed the term “validated” to the term “evaluated” in subsequently published assessment reports. Possibly because “evaluated” sounded like “validated” skeptics failed to grasp that there was a scientifically crucial difference between a “validated” model and an “evaluated” model. This is that an “evaluated” model is pseudoscientific and a “validated” models is not necessarily so.

pilincaliornia
Reply to  MarkW
April 21, 2017 6:37 pm

Intolerants for tolerance
… sounds about right. I won’t bother making a sign.

Reply to  pilincaliornia
April 21, 2017 6:38 pm

Who stole my “h” ??

Reply to  pilincaliornia
April 21, 2017 6:39 pm

…. and my “f”. Time for a new keyboard.

Reply to  pilincaliornia
April 22, 2017 8:32 am

Intolerants for tolerance
===========
screwing for virginity
fighting for peace

Flyoverbob
Reply to  MarkW
April 22, 2017 8:42 am

Violence in the cause of tolerance is a virtue. If you don’t believe, I have this hammer to convince you.

Ed Fix
April 21, 2017 2:27 pm

Good decision. When your opponent is self-destructing, the best thing to do is not get in his way.

Janice Moore
April 21, 2017 2:29 pm

Well done, Anthony. You are wise.

Dave Streeter
Reply to  Janice Moore
April 22, 2017 7:11 am

Janice, you are posessed of a large share of wisdom yourself.

April 21, 2017 2:29 pm

Here is another blatant example of the political nature of the “March for “Science”:
“Unionized scientists march in protest of attacks on facts”
http://www.sfchronicle.com/opinion/openforum/article/Unionized-scientists-march-in-protest-of-attacks-11066632.php

Frank Kotler
Reply to  Robert Sheaffer
April 21, 2017 5:50 pm

Ionized scientists don’t march?

Michael Cox
Reply to  Frank Kotler
April 21, 2017 7:28 pm

Nice!

Robert of Ottawa
Reply to  Frank Kotler
April 22, 2017 4:51 am

No, they repel each other too much.

SpeedOfDark
Reply to  Frank Kotler
April 23, 2017 6:27 pm

Shouldn’t that be Un-ionised Scientists?

Reply to  Frank Kotler
April 26, 2017 6:25 pm

LOL

spock2009
April 21, 2017 2:29 pm

Please keep my donation toward a real climate conference. Dale Mullen

Oldseadog
Reply to  spock2009
April 22, 2017 3:19 am

Me too.

Sheri
April 21, 2017 2:46 pm

They should have called it “Scientists Marching for Politicians”.
(Definately safer to keep Kenji home.)

Reply to  Sheri
April 22, 2017 4:43 pm

No, they should have punctuated it a different way, … like this:
Scientists ? … Marching ?!

Tom Halla
April 21, 2017 2:48 pm

“Climate science” and especially the IPCC has been politics all the way down for a long time, if not forever.

TonyL
April 21, 2017 2:49 pm

Pulling out is a prudent decision.
The pro-science aspect was really an anti-Trump protest, thinly veiled. Of course all the Social Justice stuff has been layered on top.
But the anti-Trump faction will still be present. That means the “antifa” thugs and rioters will be there as well as pro-Trump supporters. There will be running street fights.

Resourceguy
Reply to  TonyL
April 21, 2017 6:19 pm

It could be worse. In Venezuela they are too hungry to protest.

Duncan
Reply to  Latitude
April 21, 2017 3:35 pm

Very thermally inefficient those hats, increased surface area, convective heat loss zones, excesive use of material and pink dye is expensive with increased soaking times. Should of had an engineer on the design board. /sarc

John of Cloverdale, WA, Australia
Reply to  Duncan
April 21, 2017 6:38 pm

Not really. They are keeping the horns warm.

ATheoK
Reply to  Duncan
April 21, 2017 10:14 pm

Stay in California Kenji and Anthony! Use the money for WUWT and perhaps a good barbecue for the WUWT team.

“Extended Forecast for Washington DC”
Tonight A chance of showers after 5am. Mostly cloudy, with a low around 57. North wind around 7 mph. Chance of precipitation is 30%.
Saturday Rain, mainly after 2pm. High near 60. North wind 7 to 9 mph. Chance of precipitation is 80%. New precipitation amounts of less than a tenth of an inch possible.
Saturday Night Rain. Low around 48. North wind 5 to 7 mph. Chance of precipitation is 80%. New precipitation amounts between a quarter and half of an inch possible.
Sunday Rain likely. Cloudy, with a high near 58. Northeast wind around 7 mph. Chance of precipitation is 70%. New precipitation amounts between a tenth and quarter of an inch possible.
Sunday Night Rain likely, mainly after 2am. Cloudy, with a low around 49. Northeast wind 3 to 5 mph. Chance of precipitation is 60%.

All of those pink super absorbent bulky hats, without engineered drip points would be mighty sad to see.
Sounds like the whole march has lost it’s purpose, and fuzzed into door mats.

Dave Fair
Reply to  Latitude
April 21, 2017 9:44 pm

A very mean looking vaghat. One of the shock troops for the march?

tgmccoy
Reply to  Dave Fair
April 22, 2017 5:56 am

It’s either that P-Hat or a Hajib for the wimmen…

Benjamin Dickson
Reply to  Latitude
April 22, 2017 3:43 pm

Oh, come one. They are cute kitty hats. They are made for being cute and nothing else. It’s only idiots who ascribe political commentary to people who want to look like anime characters.

Jeff L
April 21, 2017 2:52 pm

No need to attend & mock – they are doing a fine job of mocking themselves & destroying their own credibility.
IF I were on their side, the phrase ” We have met the enemy & it is us ” would come to mind.
We are winning this battle without firing a shot.

Resourceguy
April 21, 2017 3:04 pm

Don’t take Kenji. The brown shirts will be out in force like in Berkeley and other DC events.

SMC
Reply to  Resourceguy
April 21, 2017 4:37 pm

They aren’t brown shirts in Berkeley. They’re wearing black and balaclavas…

Duncan
April 21, 2017 3:06 pm

Anthony, I did not support the trip so instead made a donation to the http://www.surfacestations.org project.
I’d like to see an update on that at some point, unless I missed it?

charles nelson
April 21, 2017 3:06 pm

’empirical’
In order to have ’empirical’ evidence that CO2 causes ‘global warming’, it would be necessary to observe another identical ‘planet’ with say…200ppm CO2 and ‘compare’ their respective temperatures.
Because that’s what ’empirical’ means.

Felflames
Reply to  charles nelson
April 21, 2017 4:50 pm

Correlation is not the same as causation.
http://www.tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations

charles nelson
Reply to  charles nelson
April 21, 2017 5:40 pm

Disagree all you like Forrest.
The dictionary definition ’empirical’ is quite clear. It has its origins in medicine when Doctors could compare the outcomes of different patients. With Global Warming there is no other system with which to make a comparison.

Reply to  charles nelson
April 21, 2017 8:35 pm

Charles- not sure where you are getting your narrow definition of empiricle:
“The central theme in scientific method is that all evidence must be empirical which means it is based on evidence. In scientific method the word “empirical” refers to the use of working hypothesis that can be tested using observation and experiment. Empirical data is produced by experiment and observation.
Empirical Research – Based on the Scientific Method – Explorable.com
https://explorable.com/empirical-research
Feedback

charles nelson
Reply to  Louise Nicholas
April 21, 2017 10:11 pm

Oxford English Dictionary?
“based on, or guided by the results of observation and experiment only”.
Why don’t you give a brief outline of the ‘experiment’ that was used establish CO2 Global Warming?
Specifically describe the ‘control’ against which observations about the Earth’s Climate can be compared?
Hint: you won’t…because there isn’t one.
A scientific control is an experiment or observation designed to minimize the effects of variables other than the independent variable. This increases the reliability of the results, often through a comparison between control measurements and the other measurements.
Global Warming remains a ‘conjecture’.

Flyoverbob
Reply to  charles nelson
April 22, 2017 9:16 am

Which of you is supporting the march? Also, just how tall are the weeds?

ATheoK
Reply to  charles nelson
April 22, 2017 2:00 pm

“charles nelson April 21, 2017 at 5:40 pm
Disagree all you like Forrest.
The dictionary definition ’empirical’ is quite clear. It has its origins in medicine when Doctors could compare the outcomes of different patients. With Global Warming there is no other system with which to make a comparison”

About your claim. It isn’t that Doctors could compare patients. It was Doctors learning from direct experience.
From Merriam-Webster

“Latin empiricus, from Greek empeirikos doctor relying on experience alone, from empeiria experience, from em- 2en- + peiran to attempt — more at fear”

Definition of empirical
1: originating in or based on observation or experience •empirical data
2: relying on experience or observation alone often without due regard for system and theory •an empirical basis for the theory
3: capable of being verified or disproved by observation or experiment •empirical laws
4: of or relating to empiricism”

You are right, there is not a “control Earth” where CO2’s emissions are not from mankind.
There is a method to empirically test Earth’s CO2 sensitivity.
Only the method requires that scientists determine exactly CO2’s contribution in all conditions.
Sans water vapor
Sans methane
Sans ozone
Form Earth’s minimum temperature to Earth’s maximum temperature.
Exactly what hours during every day of the year is CO2 trapping or delaying energy loss to space.
This must be determined for all latitudes.
But first, that CO2 contribution must be precisely determined at one latitude, one solar day, one locations. A determination so solid that based on CO2 ppm ratios, temperatures can be accurately predicted for following days, weeks, years..

Reply to  ATheoK
April 22, 2017 3:01 pm

ATheoK:
A physician is capable of constructing a predictive theory because he has something that a global warming climatologist lacks. Unlike the physician, the climatologist lacks a statistical population. There is no logical way in which a predictive theory can be constructed absent a statistical population.
It is possible for the global warming climatologists to get together and to identify the statistical population. They don’t do this, apparently, because they don’t know that is necessary for them to do so. Many of them confuse a global temperature time series with a statistical population but they are not the same concept.

Reply to  charles nelson
April 22, 2017 3:52 pm

Charles, not only have the others proven you wrong, because there is no accepted definition that matches yours, but no two patients are identical (including identical twins) so its impossible to “observe and compare two identical patients”.

Reply to  Aphan
April 22, 2017 4:49 pm

Aphan:
Charles appears to be confusing “typical examples” aka “exemplars” with sampling units. Scientific research has to be conducted in sampling units as exemplars lack physical existence.

ATheoK
Reply to  charles nelson
April 22, 2017 10:06 pm

“Terry Oldberg April 22, 2017 at 3:01 pm

“ATheoK:”

A physician is capable of constructing a predictive theory because he has something that a global warming climatologist lacks. Unlike the physician, the climatologist lacks a statistical population. There is no logical way in which a predictive theory can be constructed absent a statistical population.
It is possible for the global warming climatologists to get together and to identify the statistical population. They don’t do this, apparently, because they don’t know that is necessary for them to do so. Many of them confuse a global temperature time series with a statistical population but they are not the same concept.”

Pure sophistry.
Strawman argument and utter hogwash.
Statistics is not needed, and indeed has been much abused by climate scammers. Climate goons have misused statistics systemically. A math science that originated dealing with populations and demographics is serially abused by climastrologists when searching for the ideal, for them, data selections to reach their confirmation bias preferred results.
The climatologist is working with molecules of CO2 and can use as large a population as they desire. The rest of the atmosphere must be constrained to exact mixes.
Except current climastrologist approach is to lump everything together and then claim physic theory’s largest value at maximum forcing.
The experimental approach must dial back again to discrete CO2 molecules that can be tracked and measured, under controlled atmospheric conditions.
Otherwise the whole CO2 theory as used by alarmists is all rhetoric without reality.

2hotel9
Reply to  ATheoK
April 23, 2017 6:48 am

“climatrologist” Love it! Shamelessly going to steal that one!!!!!

Reply to  charles nelson
April 23, 2017 9:46 am

ATheoK
Actually it is the Earth rather than a CO2 molecule that would be the sampling unit were climatologists to identify the statistical population of their study of global warming.. This is obvious from the fact that it is the Earth that has the global temperature as one of its features.
Climatologists would have to identify the sampling frame of their study of the global warming phenomenon.. This would be a partition of the time line.Traditionally each element of the frame.of a climatological study has a duration of three decades but were this the duration for a study of the global warming phenomenon the count of the sampling units in the interval between the year 1850 and today would be between 5 and 6. This would be too few for the purpose of supporting federal control over Earth’s climate by a factor of at least 30..

ATheoK
Reply to  Terry Oldberg
April 23, 2017 1:55 pm

Again, sophistry based on false strawmen.
Earth can not be a sampling unit until one is able to identify and control absolutely all factors and variables besides CO2.
CO2 has been identified as the mystical magical molecule controlling huge amounts of energy.
So the actions, absorptions, emissions of individual molecules must be identified, tracked and fully observed in all transitional energy states along with how CO2 transmits energy to atmospheric, surface and ocean molecules.
Time since 1850 is immaterial to the actual effects of CO2. According to everyone, CO2 acts on existing molecules in real time.
Imagining, estimating, fantasizing, dreaming or finding CO2 revelations in missing butterflies gets thrown in the trash with the rest of the confirmation bias models.

Reply to  ATheoK
April 23, 2017 3:49 pm

ATheoK:
FYI:
As I define the term “sampling unit” it is a concrete object belonging to a set of concrete objects that has a common set of measurable independent and dependent variables. Under my definition of terms this set is an example of a “statistical population.” The residents of Chicago are an example of a statistical population. A resident of Chicago is an example of a sampling unit. One’s ability to “identify and control absolutely all factors and variables” besides CO2 is not required in order for a concrete object to be a “sampling unit” under my definition of the term hence Earth is a legitimate example of a sampling unit.

ATheoK
Reply to  Terry Oldberg
April 23, 2017 9:27 pm

“Terry Oldberg April 23, 2017 at 3:49 pm

“ATheoK:”

FYI:
As I define the term “sampling unit” it is a concrete object belonging to a set of concrete objects that has a common set of measurable independent and dependent variables. Under my definition of terms this set is an example of a “statistical population.” The residents of Chicago are an example of a statistical population. A resident of Chicago is an example of a sampling unit. One’s ability to “identify and control absolutely all factors and variables” besides CO2 is not required in order for a concrete object to be a “sampling unit” under my definition of the term hence Earth is a legitimate example of a sampling unit.”

Enjoy “your fantasy”!
Everyone is entitled to fantasize anything they like. That does not make it science.

Reply to  ATheoK
April 23, 2017 10:04 pm

ATheoK:
Your response is illogical and inconsistent.

2hotel9
Reply to  ATheoK
April 24, 2017 4:01 am

When you blaspheme against their fake religion they get very cross with you!

Reply to  2hotel9
April 24, 2017 8:20 am

2hotel9
Thanks for the support!

ATheoK
Reply to  Terry Oldberg
April 24, 2017 9:56 pm

“Terry Oldberg April 23, 2017 at 10:04 pm

“ATheoK:”

Your response is illogical and inconsistent.”

Well, that is amusing.
Again you respond with strawman red herring diversion. While ignoring the fact that you are painting an impossible dream of using the Earth as a discrete unit for research.
You ignore the unknown variable infinitude of factors that fail the concept immediately.
So, go live your fantasy. It is all illusion.

Reply to  ATheoK
April 28, 2017 8:31 pm

ATheoK:
What you mean by “the unknown variable infinitude of factors that fail the concept immediately” escapes me. Please explain.

Reply to  ATheoK
April 28, 2017 8:59 pm

ATheorK:
You state that: “again you respond with strawman red herring diversion. While ignoring the fact that you are painting an impossible dream of using the Earth as a discrete unit for research. You ignore the unknown variable infinitude of factors that fail the concept immediately.So live your fantasy.. It is all illusion..
Please explain.

Reply to  Terry Oldberg
April 27, 2017 9:52 pm

ATheoK:
Please submit a proof of your assertion that my assertion of the non-existence of the statistical population underlying the model is “sophistry based on false strawmen.” Otherwise, please capitulate.

ATheoK
Reply to  Terry Oldberg
April 29, 2017 4:23 am

“Terry Oldberg April 28, 2017 at 8:59 pm

“ATheorK: {sic}
You state that: “again you respond with strawman red herring diversion. While ignoring the fact that you are painting an impossible dream of using the Earth as a discrete unit for research. You ignore the unknown variable infinitude of factors that fail the concept immediately.So{sic} live your fantasy.. It is all illusion..

Please explain.

Why!?
It is your fantasy. Earth as a discrete unit suitable for control, experiment, null, pseudo modeling, lost in the clouds.
You ignore the unknown variable infinitude of factors
Oh?
Have you then, already identified every immediate locale, local, regional, hemispheric, diurnal, solar cycle, current, cloud, water mass, etc. etc. variable that affects immediate, local, regional, hemispheric, etc etc climate?
Not only identified, but quantified and qualified every erg and joule of influence?
Anything less is false. So enjoy your dreams, we need not know any of your details.

Reply to  ATheoK
April 29, 2017 8:39 am

TheoK:
The “strawman” is a figment of your imagination. The “impossible dream” is made possible through the conduct of a longitudinal study. The sampling frame of this study is a partition of the time line. Each element of this frame belongs to a partition of the time line.
For a frame which, like this one, is “perfect” the relation from frame to statistical population is one-to-one. Each sampling unit belonging to this population is the Earth plus its atmosphere.
Circa 1980, successfully cross validatedl mid- to long range weather forecasting models were constructed by Ron Christensen and his colleagues at the firm Entropy Limited through the use of statistical populations that were of this character. The sampling unit of each such model was one of the far western states of the United States. The method of construction of each model was information theoretically optimal pattern discovery.

ATheoK
Reply to  Terry Oldberg
April 29, 2017 1:51 pm

“Terry Oldberg April 29, 2017 at 8:39 am

“TheoK:”

The “strawman” is a figment of your imagination. The “impossible dream” is made possible through the conduct of a longitudinal study. The sampling frame of this study is a partition of the time line. Each element of this frame belongs to a partition of the time line.
For a frame which, like this one, is “perfect” the relation from frame to statistical population is one-to-one. Each sampling unit belonging to this population is the Earth plus its atmosphere.
Circa 1980, successfully cross validatedl mid- to long range weather forecasting models were constructed by Ron Christensen and his colleagues at the firm Entropy Limited through the use of statistical populations that were of this character. The sampling unit of each such model was one of the far western states of the United States. The method of construction of each model was information theoretically optimal pattern discovery.”

As I stated earlier. Sophistry.
Technobabble and doubletalk without real intent. Sloppy distractions.
Enjoy your personal fantasy!

Reply to  ATheoK
April 29, 2017 5:46 pm

ATheoK
You’ve defamed me. That’s illegal. Good bye forever.

John F. Hultquist
April 21, 2017 3:07 pm

The ‘some people have pulled out’ link goes to Medscape and wants login or register.
That seemed odd, so I just closed that out.
There is a phrase that fits: No real scientist will be in this march.

Fred Brohn
Reply to  John F. Hultquist
April 21, 2017 4:10 pm

I feel more and more as if I’m living in the world of Ayn Rand’s “Atlas Shrugged”

J Mac
Reply to  Fred Brohn
April 21, 2017 4:59 pm

Indeed!

rw
Reply to  Fred Brohn
April 22, 2017 11:42 am

Absolutely. It really is a prophetic vision of dystopia.

Cube
Reply to  Fred Brohn
April 22, 2017 10:21 pm

except that instead of running away to hide the “industrialists” have become robber baroms.

Cube
Reply to  Fred Brohn
April 22, 2017 10:23 pm

Sorry, barrons, not bar rooms

Reply to  Fred Brohn
April 26, 2017 6:30 pm

Me too, only there is no Galt’s Gulch to escape to.

Barryjo
Reply to  John F. Hultquist
April 21, 2017 4:48 pm

I am considering making sign that states “real scientists are skeptics”.

Flyoverbob
Reply to  Barryjo
April 22, 2017 9:19 am

Real scientists don’t march. They’re too busy gathering data.

April 21, 2017 3:15 pm

I recall a student protest I covered some years ago, around 1997, ’98, ’99. It was supposed to be about the government’s decision to hike tuition rates (a legitimate gripe, since they were going up some 100 percent or so), but when I arrived I saw signs about every conceivable social issue. So I wrote about that, telling exactly what I saw, rather than what we we were supposed to be saying. The paper ran it, but ironically under “opinion” even though the entire piece was nothing but straightforward, unadulterated fact.

Flyoverbob
Reply to  Frank Lee MeiDere
April 22, 2017 9:23 am

As I understand it, in journalism a fact is what the editor says it is.

HotScot
April 21, 2017 3:19 pm

Same old same old.
The Western world is becoming ruled by the minority, not the majority.
PC dictates anyone with a minority status can accuse any majority member of anything, with impunity. But a majority member can be arrested for accusing a minority member of anything.
Socialistic democracy is a strange world.

commieBob
Reply to  HotScot
April 21, 2017 5:52 pm

The Western world is becoming ruled by the minority, not the majority.

The reason Donald Trump was able to gain the nomination and win the presidency is that neither the Democrat party nor the establishment Republicans were representing the majority of the population.

G. Karst
Reply to  commieBob
April 22, 2017 2:30 pm

Without quantitative knowledge of illegal votes cast by illegals… How do you KNOW that?? GK

commieBob
Reply to  commieBob
April 22, 2017 3:10 pm

G. Karst April 22, 2017 at 2:30 pm
… illegal votes cast by illegals …

The illegals and their friends voted overwhelmingly for Hillary. link The neglected and ignored people of the rust belt gave President Trump his victory. link

graphicconception
Reply to  HotScot
April 22, 2017 6:08 am

“PC dictates anyone with a minority status can accuse any majority member of anything, with impunity.”
This is also reflected by the fact that those espousing diversity do not like the “minorities” to speak for themselves. Think of Milo Yiannopoulos, for instance. Love him or hate him, he is a conservative gay person who is quite capable of putting across his own point of view. As such he represents a threat to the PC crowd because he has shown that you can be successful without any help from the “liberal” establishment.
Same with Kellyanne Conway, or Melania Trump, or Tomi Lahren or Anne Coulter. They are all women who are allegedly persecuted by men who need the support of the PC crowd – except they do not. So they are also a threat.
The same applies to people in less developed countries. Their plight is useful for lip service and virtue signalling but their lot must never be improved because that would pull the rug from under the feet of the self-righteous.

2hotel9
Reply to  graphicconception
April 22, 2017 6:46 am

Dingdingding! We have a winner! They get especially angry when you publicly point out their hypocrisy.

commieBob
Reply to  graphicconception
April 22, 2017 5:17 pm

The SJWs are quick to take offence on someone else’s behalf.
Free yoga classes at the University of Ottawa were cancelled because they were being taught by a white woman … so that was cultural appropriation. No Indians (from India) complained, just the SJWs. link
The thing that makes the SJWs look really grindingly stupid is that the yoga exercises that we normally do are derived from European exercises. link They do not derive from the Indian spiritual practice.
The SJWs are the authoritarian wing of the left. They tend to be stupider and more violent than average. link

April 21, 2017 3:22 pm

Anthony, please use my contribution in whatever way helps. I second the previous poster’s request for an update on the surface stations project.

R. Shearer
April 21, 2017 3:24 pm

I’m glad to see that the high temperature will be at least 10F lower than normal.

Jer0me
Reply to  R. Shearer
April 21, 2017 4:47 pm

Ah, yes, but that does not in any way invalidate the fact tgat the world is warming. Had it been warmer that normal, that would definitely have validated the fact that the world is warming, however. Warm is Climate, cold is weather. Keep up at the back!
This just in from the Climate Gurus ™ of East Anglia:
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/uk-weather-snow-sleet-frost-batter-britain-next-week-1618065

Britain is braced for frost, sleet and snow next week as the Met Office warned: “Winter is about to bite back!”

“It’s well below the average for the time of year. Add on that wind and it will feel particularly cold.” “As well as frost and ice we are expecting wintry showers: sleet, snow, hail, even some snow down to relatively low levels across northern Britain. “It is going to feel like winter has returned.

So that’s weather…

However, before you dig your sledges out, just a note: a couple of weeks ago we had 25C so the Earth has warmed up a little bit.

And that’s Climate.
Got it now?

tom s
Reply to  Jer0me
April 22, 2017 9:39 am

Sickening dolts.

Sleepalot
Reply to  R. Shearer
April 22, 2017 10:48 am

*average. Average is a point, normal is a range. It is normal for temperature to be something other than average.

G. Karst
Reply to  Sleepalot
April 22, 2017 2:39 pm

Nice! GK

Reply to  Sleepalot
April 22, 2017 3:41 pm

Indeed. A point largely not understood by the sheep who follow the CAGW doctrine.

Juan Slayton
April 21, 2017 3:27 pm

Back about 1965, Dr. Herbert Landar was explaining to our class at Cal State LA that his collateral reading list was based on writing he thought was important, not writing with which he necessarily agreed. (What brought this up was apparently his inclusion of Benjamin Lee Whorf in the list.) His approximate words: …so if you can’t make sense of what you’re reading and it seems like so much nonsense, I beg of you, consider the possibility that it may be so much nonsense.
And now I read from the above link to the SF Chronicle :
Scientists have long held the view that with enough data and evidence, we will be able to convince skeptics with facts that climate change is real, that humans are responsible, and that immediate action must be taken. It is increasingly clear that we have not convinced skeptics.
Gentlemen of Baghdad by the Bay: Have you considered Dr. Landar’s possibility?

John F. Hultquist
Reply to  Juan Slayton
April 21, 2017 10:50 pm

Us kids from the hills never took no linguistics classes.
Pa just said, listen to your uncle Andy and you will learn what BS is.
{Hi to Nancy, too.}

Hats off...
April 21, 2017 3:28 pm

If the marchers adhered to their rhetoric, the real march would be by foot to DC to avoid the fossil fuel use.

April 21, 2017 3:46 pm

Earth Day 2017 and the Anti-Scientific ‘March for Science’ E. Calvin Meisner

Maybe it’s a fluke that Earth Day is also Lenin’s birthday. But it’s no mere happenstance that the “Marches for Science” were scheduled for Earth Day — this Saturday, April 22nd. The March organizers flew the flag of climate alarmism as soon as they announced the events.
This, for instance, is from one of their early blog posts warning against a right wing “war on science”:
“Much of the War on Science will be subtly fought, casting doubt on … climate change. … This is a well-known tactic, thoroughly documented in the book Merchants of Doubt.
At his confirmation hearings, EPA Administrator Scott Pruitt showed us the language of this approach. Manmade climate change, he says, is “subject to continuing debate.” …
This subtle attack on scientific ideas … has proven to be a reliable method for manipulating public perception, derailing research, censoring data, and stalling political action.”

The network of scientists, economists, theologians, and other scholars I lead would love to join in a march for sound science. Here’s what such a march would do:
It would explain how sound science can help us to be good stewards of the environment.
It would explain that sound science is based on evidence and not climate scaremongering. That it doesn’t work by consensus. That it tests theories and predictions against observations of the real world. That it doesn’t intimidate dissenters, manipulate data, attack critics, or play lackey to politics.
Don’t hold your breath waiting for the “March for Science” to teach any of these things.
A march for sound science would also be open to the truth about man. It would not exclude groups like ours, which explain that people aren’t mere consumers and polluters. We don’t just use up resources and poison the planet. We are made in the image of the Creator. So we don’t have to leave nature as we found it. We can steward the earth to enhance its fruitfulness, beauty, and safety. And we can do it to glorify God and serve our neighbors.
This implies that environmentalists err when they oppose both population and economic growth. Why? [Continue reading.]
Originally published in The Stream.

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PS Free & open scientific debate? Or is challenging the “consensus” now “hate speech and bigotry”?

The March for Science does not tolerate hate speech, bigotry, or harassment within or outside our community. Targeting individuals or communities with violent language, including statements that reflect racism, sexism, ableism, xenophobia, homophobia, transphobia, or any form of bigotry, will result in banning and/or blocking. Personal attacks based on religious affiliation or lack of religious affiliation will also lead to banning and/or blocking. To flag an issue, please contact a March for Science administrator on the relevant social media platform.

Jer0me
Reply to  David L. Hagen
April 21, 2017 4:38 pm

Or is challenging the “consensus” now “hate speech and bigotry”?

Yes. This is because Climate Science ™ has become a religion, and they won’t tolerate anyone challenging their religion.

Old Woman of the North
Reply to  David L. Hagen
April 21, 2017 9:33 pm

Unintentional irony, I think. How deluded they are.

Paul Courtney
Reply to  David L. Hagen
April 22, 2017 8:00 am

More fine examples of progressives accusing opponents of doing the very things progressives do. And the progressive press covering another astroturf protest as if it were a “thing”. Would love it if this embarrassment finally leaves the left feeling embarrassed. Assuming, for a laugh, that the left was completely humiliated by today’s event, would the press tell us?

ozspeaksup
Reply to  David L. Hagen
April 23, 2017 5:14 am

ableism?
err
ability is the english i would think?
like trodded instead of treading
shined instead of shone
what the hell is being taught as “english” in your schools?
or is my comment “upsetting to someone who cant spell ”
and therefore to be deleted as “nasty and rayciss”?
LoL

Steve T
Reply to  ozspeaksup
April 24, 2017 5:41 am

ozspeaksup
April 23, 2017 at 5:14 am
ableism?
err
ability is the english i would think?
like trodded instead of treading
shined instead of shone
what the hell is being taught as “english” in your schools?
or is my comment “upsetting to someone who cant spell ”
and therefore to be deleted as “nasty and rayciss”?
LoL

Oz,
The problem is that ability is invariably linked in the mind’s eye with being successful, therefore another word had to be found because being successful is not approved of.
Don’t forget that the vast majority of these “useful idiots” are losers.
“Ableism” raises the possibility of being physically able without regard to the mental ability which is mostly missing and is therefore acceptable.
SteveT

April 21, 2017 3:51 pm

But Kenji must go to the DC ‘March for Science’! And Kenji is a mixed race dog at that! By the way, does he/she/it self identify as male, female, or other?
If he does not go, the march will be too Human-centric! Do you think that only you homo sapiens are important in science? (wait, … is that supposed to be “gay sapiens”?)
Whatever, we need plenty of animals at the march!

Felflames
Reply to  markstoval
April 21, 2017 4:57 pm

From what I can tell, there will be.
Plenty of the two legged variety.

Russ Wood
Reply to  Felflames
April 22, 2017 8:37 am

Napoleon the pig, perhaps?

Dave Fair
Reply to  markstoval
April 21, 2017 9:52 pm

Kenji looks tougher than the above vaghat thug.

Viking traveller
Reply to  markstoval
April 22, 2017 6:18 am

Animals have human rights too, you know.

drednicolson
Reply to  Viking traveller
April 22, 2017 10:04 am

Only the cute ones. ;|

ReallySkeptical
April 21, 2017 3:51 pm

You know, based on the attitudes of many on this post, you guys are not into science. Maybe you have your own march against science. It would fit you.
[??? .mod]

guys 1 or 2
Reply to  ReallySkeptical
April 21, 2017 4:04 pm

I can agree with that or not, but then again why not if you can.

Jer0me
Reply to  ReallySkeptical
April 21, 2017 4:17 pm

No need. There already is a march against science, and it’s occuring today.
Even tge mighty Nye has pointed out that the ‘science’ tgey are marching for is political.
http://www.cbc.ca/radio/quirks/bill-nye-jane-goodall-whyimarch-and-global-climate-action-1.4075340/bill-nye-on-marching-for-science-science-is-political-1.4075432
What he actually means, although he may not realize it, is tgat what they are marching for is political. Actual science, on the other hand, is definitely not.
Therefore this is a march against science, because itbis politics masquerading as science.
QED

ReallySkeptical
Reply to  Jer0me
April 21, 2017 5:40 pm

Thus, point proven.

ReallySkeptical
Reply to  Jer0me
April 21, 2017 5:49 pm

But you are in interesting company. Ken Ham is not exactly for the March for Science either.

Chimp
Reply to  Jer0me
April 21, 2017 6:06 pm

Really,
Ken Ham’s creationism is antiscientific. Same as the CAGW cult.

Jer0me
Reply to  Jer0me
April 21, 2017 6:27 pm

RS, you ssy

Thus, point proven.

This is pure advpcacy. You make a claim, or indeed merely a claim that someone else is wrong, abd provide absolutely no argument to back it up.
This is pretty much what Climate Science ™ does in a nutshell. If you call that science, I’m definitely anti- that, yes.
I have to assume that you are, or believe you are, a Climate Scientist ™.

Reply to  Jer0me
April 21, 2017 8:30 pm

Right on! Also, that the “march for science” is actually a “march against science” is a truth that remains to be revealed to most Americans.

Bruce Cobb
Reply to  ReallySkeptical
April 21, 2017 4:27 pm

Based on your comment, you don’t have a clue what science is. Maybe get a clue first, then come back.

Mike the Morlock
Reply to  ReallySkeptical
April 21, 2017 5:40 pm

ReallySkeptical April 21, 2017 at 3:51 pm
Well since you seem to be posting on CAGW march I take it you are going one.
If so be careful. These marches are being hijacked by groups with their own agenda’s.
Take note people are getting tired of the Black shirt thugs who vandalize and assault people.
How the police are going to react is unknown. If they make their presents(pun) felt, you could wind up arrested or lumpy.
Also the Black shirts are unpredictable, they may attack you by accident or just for “yuks”.
So if you go, remember gas mask, helmet, knee and elbow pads. St Christopher metal.
michael

ReallySkeptical
Reply to  Mike the Morlock
April 21, 2017 5:55 pm

Tomorrow at 2pm. With the rest of the Biology/Chemistry/Geosicences/Physics Depts and our students. Very exciting. See you there.
Gas Masks? Right.
Thought St Christopher wasn’t a saint anymore. That change? Again?

R. Shearer
Reply to  ReallySkeptical
April 21, 2017 6:54 pm

As an actual scientist, my opinion is that science has nothing to do with attitude or marching and it should have nothing to do with politics. Unfortunately, science has been corrupted by leftists.

tom s
Reply to  R. Shearer
April 22, 2017 9:47 am

Reallyskept….typical brainwashed university-type. I see them come into our office looking for a job fresh out of college. I work in meteorology. Little by little I deprogram them.

drednicolson
Reply to  R. Shearer
April 22, 2017 10:12 am

Pure science is on nobody’s side, else it’s not pure science.

tom s
Reply to  ReallySkeptical
April 22, 2017 9:51 am

What’s the ‘global temperature’ (obnoxious metric) supposed to be and why?

rw
Reply to  ReallySkeptical
April 22, 2017 11:49 am

What does science have to do with attitudes? You just gave the game away. You really can’t tell the difference. And that’s what the March for Science is really all about.

cohenite
April 21, 2017 3:56 pm

That looks like a great little dog Anthony. Keep him away from the bad influences. This won’t be a march just more of the usual personal discontent masquerading as meaningful content.

PaulH
April 21, 2017 4:01 pm

I hope the marchers just make some noise, and when it’s over they’ll pick up their litter and patronize the local shops and restaurants before heading home.
Maybe, maybe not. One can hope.

Reply to  PaulH
April 21, 2017 11:26 pm

The local shops and restaurants would actually be wise to close down and put plywood up in their entrances. The only “patronizing” this bunch will do will be looting and burning.

drednicolson
Reply to  Writing Observer
April 22, 2017 10:17 am

A stark difference from protests and rallies by conservative groups, who often leave the area cleaner than they found it.

Roger Knights
April 21, 2017 4:01 pm

Here’s Ronald Bailey’s skeptical take on the march:
http://reason.com/archives/2017/04/21/scientists-march-on-washington

rw
Reply to  Roger Knights
April 22, 2017 11:53 am

I notice that the sign in the picture heading the Reason article says, “Science is not a liberal conspiracy”. They should have added, “But we’re trying our best to turn it into one”.

co2islife
April 21, 2017 4:04 pm
Jer0me
Reply to  co2islife
April 21, 2017 4:23 pm

I accuse you of clickbait there. I was actually expecting to see Nye being eaten by a crocodile….
/sarc (for the humorously challenged)

co2islife
April 21, 2017 4:05 pm

Kenji was featured in this article.
Climate “Science” Pillars of Sand; Eroding the Foundation of the Hoax
https://co2islife.wordpress.com/2017/04/08/climate-science-pillars-of-sand-eroding-the-foundation-of-the-hoax/

Michael Jankowski
April 21, 2017 4:22 pm

“…Slashing funding and restricting scientists from communicating their findings (from tax-funded research!) with the public is absurd and cannot be allowed to stand as policy…”
Whoa. We can’t get scientists to communicate their findings from tax-funded research BEFORE even slashing funding. Universities, government officials and agencies, and so-called scientists (e.g., Mann) do what they can to evade FOIA requests. Why don’t you march to get them to release what we taxpayers have paid-for?

April 21, 2017 4:24 pm

Why do these people flaunt their delusions and insanity in public?

Reply to  Mike Borgelt
April 21, 2017 11:27 pm

We closed the asylums.

RAH
Reply to  Writing Observer
April 22, 2017 4:41 am

Yep, since the states did away with their mental health facilities they walk amongst us.

Caroline K
April 21, 2017 4:29 pm

I think i donated towards this, but I would rather you put the money towards other work that you do, so please don’t refund me.

Jer0me
April 21, 2017 4:33 pm

What I find really irritating is that every single article supporting this march is advocating real, empirically based, science. That is what I advocate too, but when I, or anyone who challenges the 3% consensus, tries to push for such science, we are branded as evil and selfish by these people.
The real problem is that any challenge to Climate Science ™ is lumped on with anti-vaxers, anti-evolution and anti-pro-choice advocates. Don’t even get me started on the tobacco industry comparison and ludicrous accusations of ‘big oil’ ™ funding. I can see no solutions to any of that, since these are classic tried and tested propaganda techniques.

Janice Moore
Reply to  Jer0me
April 21, 2017 6:09 pm

every single article supporting this march is {flying the false flag of}advocating real, empirically based, science.

rw
Reply to  Jer0me
April 22, 2017 11:55 am

That sounds so-o nineteenth century … Where have you been for the last hundred years?

nankerphelge
April 21, 2017 4:46 pm

You would not get me there in a fit!!! Anthony you would be trampled to within an inch of your life in the spirit of science
“empirical science” ??????? indeed.

April 21, 2017 5:02 pm

Anyone who has ever done lab science, or has done feet on the ground field work is right now slapping their forehead and saying, “Good gawd will this embarrassment never end?”

jon
April 21, 2017 5:11 pm

I notice that Kenji is of mixed-colour.
That degree of diversity doesn’t escape the fact that one of those colours is the bad one.
Wise decision Anthony, Kenji would not have been safe.

Frank Wood
April 21, 2017 5:14 pm

What a time to be alive. Please use my small donation for Kenji treats!

Bear
April 21, 2017 5:16 pm

Any leftist march brings out every nut job special interest group who have no actual connection to the original reason for the march. And all the thug anarchists.
I’m glad you’ve decided not to go. The Left has gone fascist and it becoming more and more violent. I’d hate to see you or Kenji hurt.

Chimp
April 21, 2017 5:19 pm

They should have paid you to bring Kenji to the march. What better statement of support and solidarity with all that is PC than to be so inclusive and non-speciesist?
It’s a dog’s world, after all. Humans are the cancer. Ending fossil fuels is the cure.
For the children (fewer of them). And the dogs.
It’s criminal what nasty humans have done to noble wolves. Turning them into, well, Kenji.

April 21, 2017 5:25 pm

Activism and science do not mix. Conformational Bias is so rampant in politically motivated investigators that many psychology journals have literally given up on its ability to present real science.
All Activist Scientists need to have their data examined within an inch of its life!!!

Felflames
Reply to  Stephen Greene
April 21, 2017 7:31 pm

All Activist Scientists need to have their data examined within an inch of its life!!! should read
All Scientists need to have their data examined within an inch of its life!!!
Trust no one verify everything.

Russ Wood
Reply to  Stephen Greene
April 22, 2017 8:43 am

Slightly O/T, but in regards to activists: The leaders of the South African ANC Government are calling for more activist judges on our equivalent of the Supreme Court (mostly because the Court is calling ministers to account for their departments’ failures). I would like to remind them of the result of the USA’s Supreme Court case “Dred Scott”.

truckulater
April 21, 2017 5:25 pm

Friday night funny. Or not. I’m sitting here drinkin DAB, a German beer, sacrilege for a good Canuck lad. Readin all the articles and listening to Sea Level, “Midnight Pass” on you tube. Momma at work. Well, with beer comes gas. No science debate to my mind. So, I lift a leg to drop some wind, and something doesn’t seem right. I swear to my own self that it was a dry, popcorn fart, but wait….. So I go to the porcelain throne and sure enough, I got a skid mark. Without thinking, I say to myself, mein gott, I’m a fackiin climate scientist. Sorry, I am still laughing to myself. You had to be there.

J Mac
April 21, 2017 5:27 pm

“Who can participate: “Anyone who believes in empirical science. That’s it. That’s the only requirement. We will both have a diversity committee and a diverse steering committee that represents people of many backgrounds and identities…………yaddayadda….”
If they really believed that adhering to empirical science was the only requirement for attendance, none of that other crap applies at all.
You have to admire their consistent need to ‘adjust’ requirements and data though! They tell us there is only 1 firm requirement, just 1, and then immediately modify it with a burden of gender, race, sexual preference, immigration and more such non-empirical-science drek. In doing so, they demonstrate upfront and emphatically that this march is not affirming empirical science, it is affirming political nonscience.

Brett Keane
April 21, 2017 5:46 pm

A pity because Kenji would have added to the IQ of the march, as will/would you and Roy, I hasten to add. But it is, as you say, not fair on Kenji that he be subjected to such vileness, being no doubt well-bred.

drednicolson
Reply to  Brett Keane
April 22, 2017 10:29 am

Kenji could pee on their shoes and the aroma of many of them would improve.

Nick Werner
April 21, 2017 5:52 pm

A sensible decision, Anthony.
The event is essentially a “Tantrum for Science”.

April 21, 2017 5:55 pm

O wonder!
How many goodly creatures are there here!
How beauteous mankind is! O brave new world
That has such people in’t!

2hotel9
April 21, 2017 6:17 pm

Perhaps we could sponsor a pack of Rottweilers to sub for Kenji? My favorite part is how they are all already making it a “I hate Donald Trump and America” event. Putzes.

Resourceguy
April 21, 2017 6:21 pm

The psych ops teams will be there for amoral support.

JBom
April 21, 2017 6:26 pm

Saliva Not Science! The March For Saliva.
Anyone there should be wearing a body condom for protection from biological infections given by others in the crowd.
As for me I have popcorn and will watch from a safe distance via Youtube!
Jajajajajajajajajaja

April 21, 2017 6:30 pm

I’m very pleased to hear Kenji will not attend. All jokes aside, recent events have shown us only too clearly how violent the Left become when they are on the losing side. Kenji could not be protected when the inevitable happens.

John of Cloverdale, WA, Australia
April 21, 2017 6:36 pm

“Scientists for ……………”, etc, etc, etc.
The only one missing is SCIENTISTS FOR SCIENCE

Hugs
Reply to  John of Cloverdale, WA, Australia
April 21, 2017 11:43 pm

Lol. Science is not a social justice issue, so won’t happen there. 🙂

Joe Prins
April 21, 2017 7:12 pm

Anthony , I do not remember if I contributed, but just in case, keep it for the next sojourn, even it is to some holiday spot.

April 21, 2017 7:46 pm

Anthony, I’m honestly REALLY glad you and Kenj won’t be there. I’d rather you both safe and not anywhere near the circus that will be.

Krudd Gillard of the Commondebt of Australia
Reply to  Aphan
April 21, 2017 8:35 pm

Seconded and it will be a sicko circus populated with Kinko the Clowns.

April 21, 2017 8:19 pm

That UofA weather station in Tucson has been defunct for sometime (like 7-8 years??). This picture of it I took 3 weeks ago.
http://i68.tinypic.com/2ih73nr.jpg

Resourceguy
Reply to  joelobryan
April 22, 2017 7:53 am

We need a live cam of the defunct station in case its gets activated to send out bad data for already compromised databases.

Editor
Reply to  joelobryan
April 22, 2017 8:45 am

There’s a very good chance that there is still data being reported for that site. Several of the sites that SurfaceStations shamed into being shutdown are still reporting data that is derived from other sites in the area.

fos
April 21, 2017 9:23 pm

There are times when only a Rottweiler will do.

Dave Fair
Reply to  fos
April 21, 2017 10:01 pm

Or a 44 Magnum.

u.k.(us)
April 21, 2017 11:18 pm

Some battles are best not fought.
There was no upside to this one.
Was there ?

April 21, 2017 11:20 pm

“drop me a note in comments if you’d like a refund for your contribution and I’ll gladly do it”
On the contrary that reminds me that it has been a while since I donated to this blog.
Keep up the good work – and thanks for what you are doing. 🙂

Robert Clemenzi
April 22, 2017 12:13 am

For those near DC this weekend, there are 2 major free STEM (science, technology, engineering, and math) events.
National Math Festival
Sat, April 22, 2017 – 10 to 7
http://www.nationalmathfestival.org/2017-festival/
Rockville Science Day
Sun, April 23, 2017 – Noon to 5 pm
http://rockvillesciencecenter.org/rockville-science-day/
I will be assisting a group that displays weird physics 🙂

Non Nomen
April 22, 2017 2:57 am

The march’s lead organizer, Jonathan Berman, admitted, “We did talk internally about the optics of having the first person to be announced be only a white man.”

That man seems to me a ra-cist. If he denies it, I’ll call him a de-nier.
[Unorthodox spelling for the purpose of avoiding automated censorship by WordPr*ss]

drednicolson
Reply to  Non Nomen
April 22, 2017 10:40 am

For the so-called progressives, race prejudice against whites either doesn’t exist or doesn’t count.

April 22, 2017 3:48 am

Good decision. There are many reasons to only observe this from a distance.

Berényi Péter
April 22, 2017 4:01 am

On top of that no dog has got a Nobel prize ever, a most abominable state of affairs, but a fact. No wonder Kenji refuses to mix with that lot.

drednicolson
Reply to  Berényi Péter
April 22, 2017 10:44 am

Though a few dogs have held military rank, and at least one (Sgt. Stubby) was buried with full military honors in Arlington.

Schrodinger's Cat
April 22, 2017 4:12 am

The MSM thinks the purpose of the march is to rebuke Trump for his alleged dismissal of the importance of climate change. They will no doubt use the occasion to stir up maximum alarmism. The AGW activists are expert at PR, aided, of course by sympathetic media players such as The Guardian and the BBC.
The idea of red and blue teams as a counter to alarmism is a good one and should be pursued. However, being a possibly long process, it lacks spontaneous impact and may not reach the attention of the public. The recent testimony to the House by Curry et al was important but also invisible to the public.
I suggest that a group of respected scientists (such as some of those involved in the recent hearing) issue a very public challenge to a key element of the global warming case. It could, for example, be the failure of the models to simulate observation or the missing hotspot. There are many weaknesses to choose from.
The scientists should select their subject carefully. The scientific evidence to support their challenge must be very strong and verifiable. They must be able to make the case that if they are right, the global warming claims are wrong (or greatly exaggerated). They must present the challenge in a simple way with simple implications that the MSM and public will understand. The more theatrical and headline grabbing, the better.
This could be followed up with a series of such attacks, systematically destroying the claims that wrongly underpin AGW alarmism. The key aim is to make the establishment, other scientists and the public realise that the science is not settled, it is not even credible.

Bengt Abelsson
April 22, 2017 4:31 am

Napoleon, Snowball and Squealer should be present.

co2islife
Reply to  Bengt Abelsson
April 22, 2017 7:32 am

Boxer will miss the event, he is on vacation “visiting” the glue factory.

tom s
April 22, 2017 5:36 am

Exhausting area these leftists.

tom s
April 22, 2017 5:36 am

‘are’ these leftists…so sorry. 🙂

troe
April 22, 2017 5:46 am

Fraud; fools, a joke but block head serious. Marching for ignorance, intolerance, and ideology. Science not so much. If there’s a Nashville march they will be soaked little rats today.

Resourceguy
Reply to  troe
April 22, 2017 7:29 am

Shivering rats and in a great many places besides Nashville

Yirgach
April 22, 2017 5:59 am

comment image

Yirgach
Reply to  Yirgach
April 22, 2017 6:11 am

The image (which didn’t display…) is a prime example of virtue signaling.
Click on the icon to view.

co2islife
Reply to  Yirgach
April 22, 2017 7:32 am

Virtue Signalling refers to the public expression of an opinion on a given topic primarily for the purpose of displaying one’s moral superiority before a large audience to solicit their approval. Online, the practice is often associated with various platitudes shared on social media that proclaim one’s political affiliation or stance on a variety of hot-button issues related to social justice; it has been criticized by some as a shallow attempt at improving social status within a particular group.
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/virtue-signalling

Yirgach
Reply to  Yirgach
April 22, 2017 3:06 pm

The image did not display in my browser (FF v53.0 64 bit), because of the new “Tracking Protection” in FF.
Disabling that (it’s a Feature not a Bug!) allowed the posted image to display.
I love progress…

Poems of Our Climate
Reply to  Yirgach
April 24, 2017 6:58 pm

I see the signal, where though is the virtue?

Reply to  Poems of Our Climate
April 24, 2017 9:31 pm

Poems of Our Climate:
Though you see a signal, in relation to the problem of controlling Earth’s climate, there cannot be one as this signal would have to travel at superluminal speed to reach us in time for Earth’s climate to be altered but for a signal to travel at superluminal speed stands in violation of the theory of relativity.

Reply to  Yirgach
April 22, 2017 7:09 am

Oh no Chris. You burn earth’s limited resources by flying halfway across the world. And despite of all your efforts, risk marginalisation as an alien by birth.

Bengt Abelsson
Reply to  jaakkokateenkorva
April 22, 2017 8:36 am

Chris P seems to care for birds. Maybe he should take a look at wind turbines and bird fatalities.

April 22, 2017 6:21 am

Displays here mate

Mike Nelson
April 22, 2017 6:43 am

Keep it. And keep up the good work.

Pumpsump
April 22, 2017 6:45 am

I expect to hear the demands for “rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty” from across the pond

ascientistcc
April 22, 2017 6:55 am

Science tells you what and how it works but not what to do about it. What to do involves values, perceptions of risk, priorities. Nuclear is a great example. Scientists can spell out the risks but how scared you are by those risks is not a scientific question. In the climate debate advocates attempt to short-circuit the question of risks and values by insisting the crisis is so huge that no decisions need to be made, but those who look at the science don’t see such a catastrophe and resent being railroaded. It is a scam.

Resourceguy
April 22, 2017 7:21 am

I hope they don’t torch as many cars and businesses this week.

co2islife
April 22, 2017 7:29 am

It’s time to start punching back against all this insanity.
EPA Chief Scott Pruitt Should Take the Gloves Off; Turn the Crippling EPA Regs on Wind and Solar
https://co2islife.wordpress.com/2017/04/22/epa-chief-scott-pruitt-should-take-the-gloves-off-turn-the-crippling-epa-regs-on-wind-and-solar/

Joe Wagner
April 22, 2017 7:31 am

Its raining here in DC anyway today- don’t want Kenji to get wet.

R. Shearer
Reply to  Joe Wagner
April 22, 2017 7:42 am
beng135
April 22, 2017 7:49 am

Yes, getting physically close to such people w/even a hint of mockery or disagreement is actually dangerous, especially in a crowd-situation.

April 22, 2017 8:03 am

The March for Science Apr 22 2017. Is it real Science or “Politically Correct Science?”
We’ re marching for Science, Yippee!
Obama is gone. We are free
to explore what is true.
No more models will do.
The Climate has changed, totally! https://lenbilen.com/2017/04/21/the-march-for-science-apr-22-2017-is-it-real-science-or-politically-correct-science/

eyesonu
April 22, 2017 8:04 am

I had a humorous thought as to how funny it would be to further the inclusiveness of the march to release other reptiles along the route to include several of Florida’s big snakes (boas) and alligators as well as a bunch of snapping turtles. I don’t think any of the creatures would be harmed by the ‘peaceful’ marchers, but it would be funny as hell to watch the reactions.

Tom in Florida
April 22, 2017 8:05 am

If men are from Mars and women are from Venus, perhaps political right wingers are from Saturn and left wingers are from Uranus.

Reply to  Tom in Florida
April 22, 2017 9:22 am

Tom in Florida
April 22, 2017 at 8:05 am
If men are from Mars and women are from Venus, perhaps political right wingers are from Saturn and left wingers are from Uranus.

Professor Farnsworth: “Now Fry, I’ll have you know that that planet was renamed centuries ago,
just to stop foolish jokes like that.
Fry: “Really? What did they call it?”
Prof. Farnsworth: “Urrectum.”

David Ball
April 22, 2017 8:19 am

Having read some of Dr. Spencer’s comments on facebook, I am happy to report the good doctor has a great sense of humour. My humble opinion, of course, as humour is subjective. Thanks, Dr. Spencer and thanks to Anthony and mods, as well (Kenji, too!)..

April 22, 2017 8:44 am

Well worth reading.
The Intolerance of Tolerance
https://www.str.org/articles/the-intolerance-of-tolerance
“Tolerance, then, involves three elements: (1) permitting or allowing (2) a conduct or point of view one disagrees with (3) while respecting the person in the process.
Notice that we can’t tolerate someone unless we disagree with him. This is critical. We don’t “tolerate” people who share our views. They’re on our side. There’s nothing to put up with. Tolerance is reserved for those we think are wrong.
This essential element of tolerance–disagreement–has been completely lost in the modern distortion of the concept. Nowadays, if you think someone is wrong, you’re called intolerant.
This presents a curious problem. One must first think another is wrong in order to exercise tolerance toward him, yet doing so brings the accusation of intolerance. It’s a “Catch-22.” According to this approach, true tolerance is impossible.”

Editor
April 22, 2017 8:54 am

I posted this on FaceBook in response to an announcement about the March in Concord NH. Besides, it’s gray, raw, and about 40°F. Yucky day to complain about global warming or anything else.

I’ll pass. I’m working on an essay about the May 9, 1977 snowstorm. Besides, I’m not a professional scientist. And I’d rather protest the politicization of science (Eisenhower said it best), and longstanding intolerance of the scientific community to unconventional views. E.g. continental drift/plate tectonics and the heretical claim that stomach ulcers were caused by an infection and not stress.

Bruce Cobb
April 22, 2017 9:17 am

What is it, really, with ultra Liberal, Greenie-weenie types and their marches? They seem to be addicted to them.

drednicolson
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
April 22, 2017 11:05 am

It’s the one time they get to go outside without anyone asking them about the last time they took a shower.

April 22, 2017 9:19 am

The way to troll an audience like that is with facts expressed in a scary way. For example:
AVERAGE GLOBAL SEA LEVEL RISE 300 mM! UNABATED SINCE RECORDS BEGAN!!!
LOUISIANA COAST SINKING!
ISLANDS SWALLOWED AS UNSTOPPABLE SILT DEPOSITS POUR INTO DELTA!!!
SEDIMENT CONTROL UP, BUT LAND STILL DOWN!
(And my personal fave, courtesy of my cousin on FaceBook):
DIHYDROGEN MONOXIDE IS AN ACID AT PH 7 — THE HIGHEST PH OF ANY KNOWN ACID!!!

Eric H.
April 22, 2017 9:30 am

Anthony please keep my donation. Buy Kenji something nice.

ossqss
April 22, 2017 9:33 am

I would vote for subcontracting 3 of the biggest, baddest men in town to march with a WUWT shirt on! 😉

April 22, 2017 10:38 am

Anthony, I’m disappointed (but not with you) Discretion is way the better part of valor. The concept was fantastic. I think you’re reading the subtext of the tweets correctly; better to exercise your Chi by staying in Chico. I don’t think anyone was going to say look at the cute little dog with an ironic sign, I’ll change my mind now.

Reply to  taz1999
April 22, 2017 10:41 am

On the other hand if you had a Bull Mastiff…. Guess it wouldn’t fit under the seat.

Killer Marmot
April 22, 2017 11:06 am

You broke Kenji’s heart. I hope you feel satisfied with yourself.

Glenn999
April 22, 2017 11:10 am

I know of a Doberman with a taste for human flesh….

Reply to  Glenn999
April 22, 2017 11:30 am

I expect it might be cruelty to animals to feed them junk science food.

rw
Reply to  Glenn999
April 22, 2017 12:00 pm

Keep him in reserve …

April 22, 2017 2:18 pm

Go ahead and keep my donation. It was probably past time that I gave something for your site maintenance anyway.

David S
April 22, 2017 4:16 pm

I’m glad your not going. I was afraid it might look something like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PW_02k7LRMo

April 22, 2017 4:46 pm

The science march on settled science is most unsettling.

The Badger
April 22, 2017 4:54 pm

Anthony, you did the right thing in not taking Kenji, by all accounts there was a surfeit of dumb animals there already.
Err…I’ll get my coat..(at least I didn’t say ugly)

Barbara Skolaut
April 22, 2017 5:45 pm

“Anthony, you did the right thing in not taking Kenji, by all accounts there was a surfeit of dumb animals there already”
Anthony and Kenji didn’t go anywhere near this clusterfarce, proving that neither of them are “dumb animals.” Smart move, Anthony. 😀

April 22, 2017 5:48 pm

Just as well you decided to cancel. “Inclusion, diversity, equity, and accessibility are integral to this mission and to our overall goals and principles.” Unless you’re white, or male, or a primarily white dog (you could have saved money on his white lab coat) or even worse a white male dog! Oh, my! These are obviously a bunch of whiteists…whitophobes…Anglophobes…if only we could come up with a good word that just flows off the tongue, but sadly, most of us have important things to do with our time. The little snowflakes would probably have melted if they saw your fierce looking dog. (sarc. off)

Owen in GA
April 22, 2017 6:55 pm

You know, when I read a scientific paper, I usually don’t read the name of the scientist until after I have read through the experimental setup and initial conclusions. For all I (or most other scientists) care the author could be from Tatooine. “What did they measure?”, “How did they measure it?”, “How did they account for error?”, and “What conclusion did they draw?” are the only thing of importance. Thus if an Indonesian scientist observes that the top 30cm of coral was exposed to AIR for extended periods of time before the current bleaching observations, I believe he may be onto something. The fact he is from Indonesia means less than nothing – he made an observation and connected it to another observation with a causal theory that explained the mechanism. Further it supported other lines of evidence that showed that coral will die when it is left high and dry. The fact he isn’t from the former British Empire does not make him less of a scientist! So science doesn’t really care about race at all, just method and results (ie MERIT)
Now I definitely read the name of the scientist and his associations when I find the method, data or analysis to be bunk, because I want to be sure not to work with them in the future.

Editor
April 23, 2017 9:15 am

Anthony ==> Please use my contribution towards the maintenance and operating costs of WUWT.
PS: I’d still like to start the Century Club for support of the site.

Joseph Campbell
April 24, 2017 7:54 am

Way back up the trail: “Intolerants for tolerance
===========
screwing for virginity
fighting for peace”. Coffee out my nose and all over the keyboard!…

Mumbles McGuirck
April 24, 2017 9:15 am

I’m sorry, but the March for Science was not an innocent rally to promote science that was hijacked by leftists political forces. It BEGAN as a political effort, with the leftism built in. It was no more an innocent effort by naive scientists than the Popular Front was an effort by concerned citizens that was infiltrated by the Comitern.
I still think Anthony and Kenji should’ve attended. The threat of violence was minimal. The organizers thought that most participants were on “their side” and any disturbance of the festive atmosphere would have been counter productive. Whether they would’ve been noticed in the wild, carnival event is another matter.
I watched some news coverage of the March, and even the local news anchor acknowledged that despite claims of ‘non-partisanship’ there was a heavy political tinge to it. Even CBS Evening News allowed a counter point by Joe Bast! When even the MSM admits that things were not as they were meant to be seen, then you can tell the mask slipped.

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