Bill Nye the Science Propaganda Guy just can’t seem to keep his foot out of his mouth. We’ve chronicled many of his blunders here, including his involvement in Al Gore’s “High School Science” experiment where the experiment was so flawed, that they had to fake the results in video post-production to make it believable. If Bill Nye was really about science, he would have caught the fact that the experiment could never work, and refused to participate. Instead, he did, and the video still exists today with Bill Nye’s voice attached to it. So much for credibility.
In 2014, Bill Nye said this while calling people who disagree with him names:
And in the case of the California drought, a recent study suggests that there is 95 percent confident that human-caused climate change tripled the chance of the development of a persistent high pressure system in the Northern Pacific Ocean, which is the cause of the California drought because it deflects precipitation away from the region.
Bill wants it both ways. Just a couple of days ago, he said this:
An article in The Daily Caller outlines his hypocrisy.
Thanks to (((The Dividist))) on Twitter, we have this handy comparison:
UPDATE: About 20 minutes after this post was published, Nye Tweeted this:
Update2: his linkage of CA drought and AGW go all the way back to 2012: (h/t Hifast)
Bill Nye ‘The Science Guy’ Links Drought with Global Warming
https://www.yahoo.com/news/video/bill-nye-science-guy-links-163016623.html
He’s wearing a clip-on bow tie, you can tell from the fake knot. You should never, never, never make eye contact with someone with a clip-on bow tie, and that includes eye contact with the image of someone with a clip on bow tie. There is just something fundamentally wrong with anyone who wears a clip-on tie of any type, and particularly a person who wears a clip on bow tie, (unless you’re under 12 years old, or it’s Halloween).
Mark, there is a simple explanation for your correctly stated assertion that “you” ( a normal person) should never^3 make eye contact with someone wearing a clip-on bow tie. Subconsciously you have nailed the fact that clowns wear clip-on bow ties and you should never^3 get close enough to a clown or a clown image to look it in the eye. I think this was clearly demonstrated in one of those Japanese horror documentaries.
Marginalization of clowns must stop !
Without clowns, we would have less entertainment. I hereby declare today National Clown Appreciation Day.
he’s a chronic clownsplainer who likes to use the scientist toilet room.
… which brings up the very sensitive question of how we should legislate bathroom usage according to which kind of clown one identifies with (USA – NC joke, … yeah, I live here). GLBQ now becomes GLBQ-CLOWN, and let’s put some exclamation points after that just to be dramatic, to show that we are yelling it. !!! (just yell the “clown” part; the rest is at normal speech volume)
Shop teachers wear clip-on bow ties. They work with lathes and drill presses, and they don’t want to get wrapped around the axle.
In Bill’s case, apparently it can still happen.
Jeff Norman says:
one of those Japanese horror documentaries.
Invasion of the mushroom people:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matango
Clowns have rights too.
Clown Lives Matter!
If the bow tie could spin like the blades of a wind turbine and generate energy, then couldn’t all that hot air from Nye be harnessed to produce renewable energy? Just a thought.
Certainly Clowns have rights, but clip-on bow ties are micro-agressive and forced eye contact is probably a violation of the ADA (Americans with Disabilities Act) because some on the autistic spectrum have issues with eye-contact
Or it spins. like Bill!
‘He’s wearing a clip-on bow tie’ I think he may be wearing a toupee as well.
Why do people wear rags around their necks, bow tie or otherwise? I have heard the story about them being worn to keep the stink in when Europe was going through its non-bathing stage. I think we are beyond that (at least in North America) but in terms of sheer ridiculousness what could be sillier than a colourful rag of cloth knotted around ones neck??? It makes the codpiece look downright utilitarian. If we need to have a symbol of acquiescence to corporate power structure then let us bring back the cod piece. Imagine Bill Nye in a giant Bruegellian codpiece. It makes my head hurt.
Story that I heard had one of the queens of England request them. Early button up shirts used just any old thing they could find as “buttons”, and the queen thought these things to be unsightly and ordered her courtiers to cover them up.
I have no idea if it’s true, it’s just something I heard years ago.
“…and a clutch of lace at his throat.”
That described an earlier highwayman who came riding, riding…
A flight engineer friend of mine told me that the reason airline crews wear neckties is that if you find that your tie is rising vertically in front of your face then you know you’re flying upside down.
Croatian mercenaries in service to the French wore traditional knotted neckerchiefs. Louis XIV took notice and began wearing a lace version. Cravats became all the rage
International Necktie Day is Oct 18th.
No self respecting adult male should wear a clip on bow tie.
Mary, I would have thought that the screaming from the passenger compartment would have been a give away.
No. People still stink. We are not beyond the non-bathing stage, and we probably never will be.
Everybody is entitled to their opinion, and my opinion is what could be sillier than your opinion on ties.
Answer: Mimes.
Mimes are sillier.
And clowns hate Mimes.
Mortal enemies.
You have that dreadful dandy Beau Brummell to “thank”. Western men used to get to wear all kinds of cool stuff, lace and satins and colors. In many species, the male gets to be quite the (sorry) peacock. But Brummell made plain dark suits and simple cravats (read: neckties) fashionable, and (Western) male fashion all but froze in the early 19th century.
It depresses me no end to see Japanese or Jawanese or African men bow down to a long-dead Regency fop, and I wish men of my own culture would rise up and free themselves of boring, boring suits-and-ties. Get fun, guys!
Same reason swords changed from Claymores to foils, a nick of the jugular is enough.
I think clip on ties are indicative of confusion about behind and in front of, right-left, up-down concepts, especially in mirrors, among other things.
The quote blaming the Calif drought on climate change is attributed to someone named Ben Schneider, not Bill Ney (see the link). So the premise of this story is wrong (fake news?). It would not surprise me to hear that Ney had blamed the drought on climate change but I think this article offers no evidence of that. Nevertheless, it is painful to watch Bill Ney (in the video at the link) talk about climate-change denial. His statements are both anti-science and anti-freedom.
Thomas Mee …
First, it’s Bill Nye, not Bill Ney.
Second, Bill Nye tweeted it. It doesn’t matter if the quote originated elsewhere, by tweeting it he has explicitly endorsed the premise. So, take your silly ‘fake news’ accusation someplace else where it might be appropriate.
Teapartygeezer. Oops … Nye not Ney. A Ney is a type of Turkish flute.
For the record, Nye tweeted that the floods in California were caused by global warming and Anthony linked to an article that he, Anthony, said showed Nye saying that the the earlier droughts were caused by global warming. But that is not what the article said. It had a video of Nye talking some drivel and some text commentary attributed to Ben Schneider; where Schneider (not Nye) said global warming caused the drought.
However, Hifast set the recorded straight, January 12, 2017 at 8:38 am:
“In 2012 [Nye] blamed drought on global warming:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/video/bill-nye-science-guy-links-163016623.html
So all is good. The error in this article is corrected with a proper attribution and Bill Nye is properly put in his place.
Thomas Mee ….
Bill Nye has been making similar pronouncements … for years … connecting global warming with various significant weather events. And frequently remarked upon on this blog. He’s been the subject of several WUWT posts over the years … providing readers with much needed, and appreciated, hilarity. His shenanigans aren’t new to readers here … we’re all very familiar with this anti-science, and anti-freedom, guy.
What is not so hilarious is that he is propagating his crap science to children. Children!
Teapartygeezer; I agree. It’s shameful that politics has been used to trump science but science will win in the end … I hope!
Hi I am a local reader of this blog. But I am a climate change believer. I come with an open mind though. I am just curious what evidence do you have against human caused climate change? And since every scientific academy in the world believes in global warming. What evidence do you hold so close to believe they are all wrong? I am just wondering. I am curious. Thanks again!
Hi Cliffhanger. First, you’re asking the question backwards. The correct question is “What evidence is there for human caused climate change?” Everyone knows that the Earth’s climate is always changing. Fifteen thousand years ago, Chicago would have been under a kilometer of ice. Now it’s all gone. From 1918 to 1940, the Earth’s temperature rose as much as it did between 1980 and 1998, yet no one proposes that humans created enough extra CO2 in 1918 to cause such warming. So if that warming was completely natural, why should we assume that the later warming was caused by a CO2 increase.
If you decide to hand around and learn what we’re all about, I only ask one thing: don’t call the gas “carbon,” call it by it’s proper name, “carbon dioxide,” or just use the chemical notation CO2.
Thanks, and welcome aboard.
Maps from a new 2,000-year drought atlas show rainfall conditions over the whole continent, and much of the Mediterranean. A chart for 1741 shows severe drought (brown areas) running from Ireland into central Europe and beyond. A chart for the year 1315 shows the opposite problem — too much rain (dark green areas), which made farming almost impossible.
Credit: Cook et al., Science Advances, 2015
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/11/151106144515.htm
Now if either a drought or flood is evidence of climate change due to human emissions, which were bugger all squared in 1741, then you know someone is talking out of the proverbial.
Cliffhanger, as you may know, you can find all kinds of things on the internet, some amazing things indeed, some amazingly educational things, and some not so much. You can find many, perhaps millions, of pages where some writer, journalist or even purported scientist says “overwhelming evidence for man-made global warming/climate change” or some such unsupported assertion.
This is going to come as a bit of a surprise to you but you can spend some time on this yourself. Nowhere on the internet can you find any empirical scientific evidence that CO2 going from pre-industrial levels of ~280 ppm to current levels of ~404 ppm has had any verifiable effect on any climate parameter that is outside of the bounds of zero to immeasurable, when using accepted scientific methodologies that include error bars and the null hypothesis.
Since it is within those bounds, it is impossible that it can be dangerous, although, from recorded history, there is no doubt that natural climate change can be.
You are at the the right site, because if I am wrong, I will stand corrected (by admitting I was wrong) and you will know the current state of man-made global warming/climate change which, if I am wrong, will be quite underwhelming to you anyway, or at least it should be.
Put in more simple terms, there is no evidence for it. If it ever rises from the background of natural variation, you will find it on here first, because the scientists and engineers who comment here are not liars, activists, journalists, politicians etc. They will tell you the truth.
…. and just to be clear, when I say the internet, this is inclusive of all scientific literature, peer-reviewed or otherwise.
… and might I also add, we are not all scientific morons in Oakland, CA. Bill is our village idiot.
Once again, Cliff starts off with a lie.
Everybody believes in climate change.
It’s catastrophic man caused change that has been disproven.
Regardless, it demands that we provide evidence that the current warming is not being caused by man.
Wrong, the burden of proof is on those proposing a new theory. There is no requirement that others disprove it.
The evidence that you demand has been given to you dozens of times.
First off, there’s the fact that the models have been proven wrong.
Second, there’s the 20 year pause (soon to resume after the El Nino blip runs it’s course)
Thirdly there are the many failed predictions
Fourthly there is all the recent science pointing to a climate sensitivity under 1.0C.
Finally there are the many misdeeds of those who want the rest of us to keep funding their lifestyles.
“Fifteen thousand years ago, Chicago would have been under a kilometer of ice. Now it’s all gone. ”
Chicago’s gone????
Did they finally run out of people to kill?
No, they just figured dead people were more reliable voters.
welcome cliffhanger, I think bob tisdale’s excellent work on the el nino driven warming of the oceans is a good starter, a lot of articles here as well
Actually a good academic would say “there is a possibility of AGW but it’s quantity is not proven”
this does correspond to what our RMI in belgium says: yes climate is changing but parameters such as solar irradiance is changing as well and so does wind speeds and cloud cover, in their dutch conclusion they even said point blank that a lot of the CAGW IPCC meme of more drought, more floods, more heatwaves are not conclusive. Nothing in their data points to that.
All they found was a rising temperature, but paired with it a rising solar irradiance that follows exactly the rise,
then there is the sattelite record that does actually contradict the AGW theory by showing nearly no warming in the upper troposphere, while the theory says it would warm faster then the surface.
Plenty of data that contradicts the AGW theory imvho
Then we didn’t even start with the paleoclimatologic finds, such as the Holocene highstand (sea level), the sudden drops and rises of global temperature in the younger dryas that just dwarfs what we see now, the rises of civilization and life with the warm episodes and the collapses during the cold ones….
then to sum it up the 1800’s were the coldest years in greenland in 10.000years, only the 8.2 Kyr event did got colder.
So yes the earth warms but i see this as a natural phenomenon, which can be explained by a simple cycle: the Bond event cycle. Study this cycle, compare the non adjusted data with the length of this bond cycle and see for yourself: you will come to the same conclusin: “we’re halfway in the cycle and if we go to an MWP optimum, we’re nicely on shedule: we’re halfway the rise The MWP was 2-2.5°C warmer then the pre industrial (or LIA) average, and now we’re at +1 with the El nino spike.
When you know that a Bond event is a sudden dip and stay of 300-400 years, followed by a slow rise that also spans over 200-300 years towards a new optimum…. Make the math, we’re 150 years in that warming cycle of the Bond event, That’s halfway, and then we didn’t speakabout the much warmer holocene optimum with open water coasts in greenland where now there is still 5 meter of ice.
those findings never get into the news, but are well documented here, with decent links to the studies and papers.
And this is just the tip of the iceberg.
I used to wear a clip-on bow tie when I worked as a water. But I think that sort of job is the only acceptable excuse. Anyone wearing a bow-tie for fashion purposes should learn how to tie one.
Whats a water ?
Is he letting us know that he’s all wet?
Unless they are under six years of age (re clip-on bow ties).
In 2012 he blamed drought on global warming:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/video/bill-nye-science-guy-links-163016623.html
hmm? sucking and blowing?
Hifast at 8:38 AM. Good find!
Australia has Tim Flannery who has spent years agonising, and written books about how ‘it is never going to rain again. And, even if it does the dams will never be filled.’.
Bill Nye is a modern snake-oil salesman. He’s leading millions of kids astray with nonsense. What a waste.
Don’t forget the other snake-oil salesman, Mr Brian Cox.
And another – David Rockefeller, before he got into pharmaceuticals.
SteveT
.. and Degrasse-Tyson, who uses Nye exclusively on his show “Star Talk”. I used to look up to Cox and Tyson, but it seems they’ve sold their souls for fame via Gorebull Warbling.
The Farce is strong in him.
But snake oil has a huge following in human beings. Truth is boring.
Exposing fraud (Farce) is not sexy. Nye will always have a paying audience. Works for him and other charlatans.
Future exposes of climate fraud might have sex appeal.
ristvan: I am breathless. That’s hilarious!
Science Fraud Guy
Unfortunately, Bill Nye is coming to Netflix with a new show, “Bill Nye saves the World”. Hard to believe how large the snake oil market is. Thankfully, it is not on cable, phew.
http://www.nme.com/news/tv/bill-nye-new-netlifx-show-1932616
That show was planned before November’s election of Trump, and in anticipation of a Pres Clinton continuing the climate hustle.
I predict a short run for that series. Netflix lives and dies by what ppl stream. Few will stream that babble as the climate lies of the Obama Admin come to light after Jan 20th.
Never underestimate morbid fascination.
Truly. Look at the views that ear wax removal and cyst drainings get on YouTube. They’re astonishing.
The number of views that Netflix gets from its documentary-science-info-psuedo genre of programs is insignificant to the business, no one subscribes to Netflix with the thought “their science programming is just so over the top.” Actually the fact that it’s on Netflix is an indication that it couldn’t get airplay on an ad-supported or linearly programmed network that actually has to pay attention to the preference(s) of their audience.
On the upside, much of Nye’s preachy stuff is sufficiently putrid that maybe it will get a few more people to go “wtf” this guy is a real dweeb
Most Netflix ‘documentaries’ should be treated like op-eds. Highly agenda driven and partisan.
That’s true of pretty much all “documentaries” these days. Especially one aired on any of the major networks.
If this is a ‘once in a decade’ storm, why is there so much flooding of developed areas?
Oh, that’s right, they built in flood plains. /sad
But that’s the flat part.
Don’t you remember most Environmentalist’s don’t believe things happen cycles. To them things only go in one direction.
Bill gets his information from the same pollsters that projected a strong possibility of a Clinton “landslide victory” during the election.
The basic problem Nye faces is the same one that many in the (very soon-to-be, former) Obama Administration face. That is: Finding gainful employment.
Not surprisingly after the Trump win and coming installation of Republican-approved appointtees throughout the agencies, they are having a hard time even getting job interviews in the private sector with their resumes padded with years of Democrat-Progressive accomplishments. And DC NGO’s are already fully staffed with the real prospect of coming layoffs there as the political wind shifts to a certain deep fall of the inflow of donations and grants.
Obama Staffers Can’t Find Work In Trump’s DC, There Are No Jobs.
http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/01/10/obama-staffers-cant-find-work-in-trumps-dc-there-are-no-jobs/
http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/GettyImages-621959056-1280×720.jpg
Most of those staffers, just like Bill Nye don’t have the luxury of an Algore or an Obama of falling back on a rich govt pension and banked millions from their many years of government service as a senator/VP/Prez (think about that for a moment).
Nye has embraced and peddled the Climate Hustle lie so much, there really is no retreat for him. Rather just the opposite. Only doubling down now on the Alarmist Climate prophesies and climate psycho-babble will he retain any hope of making a buck from the still millions of duped Climate church congregants.
http://cdn0.dailydot.com/cache/1e/40/1e4004327d28a22c55a9b53361b34ba9.jpg
Oh dear, that looks like a loosened real bow tie.
Or maybe someone took a pair of scissors to an ordinary tie.
But obviously in the pay of Big Tobacco. (I stopped smoking in 1977.)
I’m a little surprised by this, unless it’s the high level staffer who are more likely to toe the same political line as the congresscritter or Senator they serve. My cousin was a senatorial staffer for years, and most of them just role with the tide, faithfully serving whoever is occupying the office.
Amazon is opening three new warehouses in my area. They are advertising for workers. Up to $15/hr. plus full benefits. Some of those folks should sign up.
The admiration’s staffers and the liberals missed their opportunity to pass the “Americans with No-Abilities Act”. They would then be a protected social class.
Joel, don’t say they were not warned. From last March from a K-Street Insider
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“Trump is a Washington outsider.” Since Trump has no experience as a politician, not a single D.C. lobbying firm has any ties to Donald Trump.
“More than $4 billion in lobbying business could be lost overnight should Donald Trump become president,” says Burkman. “Decades of relationship-building in politics could be lost. And make no mistake every lobbyist in the town is worried.”
Lobbyists routinely use money to gain access and buy influence. They leverage their connections for wealthy clients who want access. But The Donald has said he won’t accept their money.
“Since Trump has no plans to accept contributions in the general election, lobbyists may be robbed of their biggest weapon–money–in a presidential election year,” adds Burkman. “Literally 30-thousand jobs could be lost if Trump is sworn in. Washington as we know it, and how business is conducted, will change instantly.”
Burkman says he and his fellow lobbyist delegation will try to convince Trump to accept donations in the general election.
http://www.prnewschannel.com/2016/03/17/d-c-lobbyists-prepare-for-trump-presidency-fear-it-will-mean-the-end-of-life-as-we-know-it/
In Oz, other leftist outlets usually soak up the excess dregs of failed leftist governments. Universities, the media, NGOs, there are thousands of organisations, mainly sucking on the taxpayers teat, who will welcome them and keep the warm.
This is true about Nye. He position is that temperatures will increase by 11.5 deg. F and sea levels will increase by 4 feet.
This is evidence that he is nothing but a performer/actor playing a role and not a real scientist.
He is very good at playing a scientist, sounds convincing and knows enough about science to play the role of an expert in this field. However, when you actually scrutinize his work/statements, you see that he clealy lacks some fundamental understanding that real scientists have.
His not understanding the ideal gas law in the inflate gate incident was a good display of him being just an actor scientist. The media consider him a knowledgeable scientist, that used his trading to go into television.
He does know a lot about some basic science but his skill is in acting and communications….not science and especially not atmospheric science.
He really is a good actor.
inflate gate incident
“Deflategate”
http://physicsbuzz.physicscentral.com/2015/01/bill-nye-drops-ball-on-deflategate.html
Bill Nye just glomed on to an existing organization and they make it out like he’s the second coming to raise money – The Planetary Society has Bill as its CEO. EVERYONE in that organization is a climate science expert.
I asked their chief fundraiser what it would cost for me get Bill in a room to talk AGW and climate change. I’d raise all the money -we’d get people in the room in accordance with the proportion of main-made climate change supporters and deniers as exists in the general population, ensure they all were willing to listen to a different point of view – and then at the end – Bill could take the money to his charity if he won the argument, I’d be able to pick my own charities if I won, and we’d bet that by 2018 California’s reservoirs would be full. An easy one for him – cause he KNOW climate science and KNOWS he is right.
I tried to do this LAST SUMMER. totally shut down – they refused to do it because? He’s too good. They did not want to make me look me. Hell I’m not even a science college grad. He should kick my ass all the way to Kyoto.
They’re afraid. That’s why they turned me down –
The alarmists are claiming that the oceans have warmed up by about 0.002C.
Do they really want us to believe that 2 thousandth of a degree of warming is enough to double or triple the amount of rainfall CA gets?
Or that you can really measure ocean temperatures to that level of accuracy?
Paul
Of course they cannot. The accuracy of the ARGO floats is 0.02 degrees C with a reading precision of 0.01. The potential drift is at least 0.06 over 5 years. Not saying they drifted, but no one can tell if they did or not. They are equipped with a ‘matched pair’ as they are called in industry. Two Pt100 RTD’s that give identical readings at the same temperature. That is state of the art, and it is nowhere near 0.002.
It would also be pointless to have that kind of precision, since the sampling occurs in sparse and randomly changing locations anyway. Like measuring your body weight to milligram precision when having lunch or disposing of it changes it by one pound.
And these are animations of what they are measuring:
http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/enso_update/gsstanim.shtml
(current) and/or
long duration
… or that it even matters whether you can or not.
I just got a 0.002 cent raise in my pay check. Simply huge ! In a hundred years, I would earn an extra 0.2 cents. In five hundred years, I would earn an extra 1 cent. I’m into the big money now.
But there’s a zillion joules of energy stored by warming all that water by that tiny fraction of a degree and it’s gonna getcha.
Is a zillion bigger or smaller than giganourmous?
I’ve tried to determine how anybody pushing against CO2 could possibly claim to “save the world”.
Our world runs on carbon in its many forms–food, transportation, housing, etc. etc.
Nye has become the nemesis of civilization with such silly claptrap.
Pshh! All you folks are just plain old deNyers…
clever.
Yes, indeed…
Is there an insecticide for Nye bugs?
It looks like the unemployment queues will be lengthening as Trump makes a clean sweep of Climate Alarmism’s Augean stable. I hope Tricky Mickey Mann is practicing for his next employer by looking in the mirror and asking, “Do you want fires with that?”
“Do you want fires with that?”
Wait-person to the Devil?
Maybe he should write for the Gruaniad.
i know a hockey stick producing factory that’s looking for a new designer…. Perhaps Mann should apply for a job there? 🙂
Myrmidons wanted.
Words fail me.
I just wish this madness ends before I’m gone. So that I don’t need a P.S. on my gravestone.
It irks me how Nye and his ilk conflate scientific confidence intervals (p-value correlations) with their opinion-poll “confidence” in their unsupported suppositions. It’s actually dishonest to make these “95%” claims and use the word “confidence” because it leads many people to falsely assume that a provable correlation exists and is being described, when in reality it’s just Bill Nye’s opinion and what 95% of his crony friends THINK is happening. That would be a “confidence game”…another name for a scam.
The end is Nye!
And he’ll be the guy! (On November 5th).
Don’t be a Nyesayer, Markopanama.
The (rear) end of science is Nye.
Seems to have a bit of a problem with the ideal Gas Law too.
https://www.aps.org/publications/apsnews/201503/fumbles.cfm
But to be fair, he was probably just echoing what his buddy Neal said, who after all, has a PhD.
It’s not Neal deGrasse Tyson; it’s Neil deGas Tyson.
deGreasy?
Bill Nye The Boeing Guy was having problems with gas experiments on screen as far back as 1990. Most of his appearances on the local sketch comedy show “Almost Live” in Seattle were actually pretty good, for an engineer. This one, not so much.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9QwCVBENHM
Wasn’t there a wet period in the 19th century where so much rain fell, that the valleys themselves turned into lakes? I remember reading somewhere that people were rowing boats in Sacramento to get around.
1862. In Southern CA, it was called the Agua Mansa Flood.
http://la.curbed.com/2016/5/26/11724202/agua-mansa-california-ghost-town
Estimate for the Agua Mansa Flood was about ten times the “hundred year” flow for the Santa Ana River. That would be off the scale, except that there is no upper limit to the flow-frequency relationship.
Interestingly, “Carbon” was a lot lower back then.
Obviously, extreme weather of any kind is caused by excessive anthropogenic carbon dioxide emissions. Not.
California Megaflood: Lessons from a Forgotten Catastrophe
Yes, late 1861 and early 1862, about the time that Stanford was Innaugurated as governor. Put the state into bankruptc, as it killed off an est 200,000 cattle, and triggered the economy to convert to agriculture.
At the height of the semi biblical rain storm of 1996/97 lakes were forming in the upper half of the Sacramento Valley. The dam above Oroville California on the Feather River was in danger of over topping, and that is one of the world’s largest earthen dams. If it had given way, then the valley and Sacramento would have been swept clean while the SF/Bay Area would have experienced widespread flooding around the entire bay.
I would love to say, “stupid is as stupid does”, or my favorite, “I can fix a lot of things, but I cannot fix stupid”, but the potential harsh reality is that individuals like Nye are in all actuality very intelligent!
Hey, they are successfully sucking at the $1.5 trillion teat! And doing a fantastic job of spinning this nonsense to the benefit of their bank accounts! What the heck are we doing wrong?!?!!?!?
(integrity comes to mind ……)
For a guy who claims to be a “science guy” Nye’s highest degree is a BS in Mechanical Engineering, and his actual job is as a TV personality for children and a cult leader for adults. As much as I admire engineers of all stripes, I’m pretty sure there’s a substantive difference between science and engineering. And I’ve no need of cultists at all.
Nye is an embarrassment to Mechanical Engineers who actually did engineering.
Engineering is application of science for the benefit of humanity.
“I’m pretty sure there’s a substantive difference between science and engineering”
No, engineering is a branch of science concerned with designing, building and using engines, machines and structures. It is generally an applied science but engineers do perform research and development in scientific fields. It might be differentiated from the purely theoretical sciences to some extent (for example “climate science”) in that engineering always has some form of physical and practical application.
Climate science has a practical application — it produces grant money. … can’t get more practical than that.
Robert notice I said “physical and practical”. And don’t tell me you can buy cars, booze and hookers with grant money, making climate science “physical”. I’m in a lousy mood.
🙂
Well. We already knew that climate change causes each and every weather plague, from drought to floods, from heatwave to blizzard, tornadoes, storm etc.
It even caused Syria war, you know. And Obama staffers unemployment, I guess.
Here’s the best guess at a complete list (with attributions):
http://www.numberwatch.co.uk/warmlist.htm
And Obama staffers unemployment, I guess.”
That’s political climate change …
“Wasn’t there a wet period in the 19th century where so much rain fell, that the valleys themselves turned into lakes? I remember reading somewhere that people were rowing boats in Sacramento to get around.”
Yes, I think that was the “great flood” in the 1860’s.
Sacramento Jan 1862.
And then in December 1964, it started raining pretty much non-stop for a couple of weeks. Midway through the Christmas school break, the Hell Hole Dam on the Rubicon river failed, sending a wall of water, rocks, mud, and trees down into the Middle-Fork of the American River. http://www.auburnjournal.com/article/12/22/14/hell-hole-dam-collapse-50-years-ago-today-continues-teach
Oh, come on now. You have a dam named Hell Hole above the Rubicon River canyon What could go wrong with that; that the names don’t already imply.
The Great CA flood of 1861-1862:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Flood_of_1862:
“…..The Great Flood of 1862 was the largest flood in the recorded history of Oregon, Nevada, and California, occurring from December 1861 to January 1862. It was preceded by weeks of continuous rains and snows in the very high elevations that began in Oregon in November 1861 and continued into January 1862. This was followed by a record amount of rain from January 9–12, and contributed to a flood that extended from the Columbia River southward in western Oregon, and through California to San Diego, and extended as far inland as Idaho in the Washington Territory, Nevada and Utah in the Utah Territory, and Arizona in the western New Mexico Territory……”
http://www.forensicgenealogy.info/images/floodpic_sacramento.JPG
http://blogs.elca.org/hungerrumblings/files/2010/07/1861-flood-image.jpg
So the great rain/flood event in 1861-62 had to be natural, but somehow the same thing happening today is caused or worsened by humanity’s CO2 emissions. Umm…..yea. Uh huh. And I imagine Nye owns a bridge in Brooklyn he’s willing to sell me too.
No. If you into the event, you will see that CO2 was somehow, surreptitiously, secretly involved from start to finish. Never underestimate the evil power of the capitalists and their planet killing gas. The Jews and the illuminati may have had a hand in it as well.
Rain is caused by climate change. Drought is caused by climate change. Fun weather and boring weather are both caused by climate change. Climate change, and everything else I dislike, like bugs, loud noises and iron-poor blood, are caused by fossil fuels. Never mind changes that preceded fossil fuels, or things I dislike that have nothing to do with fuel.
If I select a new scapegoat, that’s okay because I’M A SCIENTIST, and scientists can never be dissed. We’re more worthy of reverence than medieval holy men.
A scientist is now defined as someone who agrees with the consensus. Which also means that anyone who disagrees with the consensus is not a scientist. Now throw in the fact that only a scientist has the authority to challenge the consensus and you have the definition of group think.
Well said MarkW re re climate alarmist definition of a scientist. Have just copied the statement and will use it.
To my mind at least this perfectly illustrates the flaws with Nye’s stance on climate and climate science itself. Specifically there is no null hypothesis so every event fits. To Nye it’s not a logical inconsistency to contend long term widespread drought and catastrophic flooding have the same cause and both are logical outcomes resultant from climate change. It can be both hot and dry and cold and wet, or cold and dry and hot and wet. Each event is independent and each event is a result of anthropogenic climate change. Everything fits under the grand unifying theory of the universe that is climate change. No event is excluded.
But that’s the problem: if you can’t falsify your hypothesis in any way it never really was much of a hypothesis in the first place. And that’s not science.
“But that’s the problem: if you can’t falsify your hypothesis in any way it never really was much of a hypothesis in the first place. And that’s not science.”
Amen.
Buggs: Wait a minute! That’s beginning to sound like Schrodinger’s Cat! Isn’t he both dead and alive? Isn’t that good science? Kind of quantum stuff, I think. It is both raining and dry, both hot and cold, both windy and still. All these things are simultaneously true until you collapse the wave function (I think that’s the term those sciency physicists use).
Scrodinger’s cat is only both dead and alive until someone observes it.
So this analogy does apply to global warming, since nobody’s seen it either.
Schrodinger’s cat would be 82 years old. I’m betting dead.
Bill Nye can always find good work skimming the student activity fees at your local university. The quality bar is not so high for entertainment there and especially leading up to campaign season.
In Russia is called Uilyam Nyet.
Looks to me like all of the West is in a likely cyclical return to the same kind of wet years of the 70s to the 90s.
And it’s not just the west coast. Inland upstream water basins are way up and feeding Lakes Powell and Mead in ways that may fill both as was the case in that earlier era.
As sure as the Texas drought ended so is the rest of the west coast drought.
https://www.wired.com/2015/05/texas-floods-big-ended-states-drought/
http://www.sacbee.com/news/state/california/water-and-drought/article126087609.html
“When the snowpack is way above normal and the Sierra Nevada precipitation index is above ‘82-’83, it’s time,” he said. Northern California has received so much rain this year that the region is on pace to surpass the record rainfalls of 1982-83.
http://lakepowell.water-data.com/
Rivers feeding Lake Powell are running at 171.23% of the Jan 12th avg. Click for Details
http://lakemead.water-data.com/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Mead
Multiple wet years from the 1970s to the 1990s filled both lakes to capacity,[10][11] reaching a record high of 1225 feet in the summer of 1983.[11] In these decades prior to 2000, Glen Canyon Dam frequently released more than the required 8.23 million acre feet (10.15 km3) to Lake Mead each year, allowing Lake Mead to maintain a high water level despite releasing significantly more water than for which it is contracted.
See https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2017/01/11/bill-nye-thinks-paris-treaty-will-end-floods/#comments
So, the temperature should remain between 14.999 °C and 15.001°C with a permanent drizzle and everything else is catastrophic climate change? If I got this right now Bill, your problem may be solved by moving to Brussels.
No coincidence that Nye rhymes with Lie.
or bow … tie.
He’s Fearless Fly!
http://img14.deviantart.net/b872/i/2015/205/f/6/daily_sketches_fearless_fly_by_fedde-d92ldxd.jpg
Mr. Nye, you don’t know for nothing about California floods. I know many whose lives were changed totally by the Christmas Flood of 1964 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas_flood_of_1964 ), which came closely behind the Central California/Nevada Flood of January-February 1963 (https://pubs.usgs.gov/unnumbered/70039077/report.pdf ). In 1950 and 1955 Californians also suffered from ruinous floods (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floods_in_California#November_1950:_California_Flood).
For the past 7,000 years, the area of California primarily was in drought, and the past 100 years have been unusually wet. (http://www.salon.com/2014/02/19/it_could_last_decades_5_shocking_facts_about_californias_drought_partner/) This anomalous wet period influenced us to poorly manage our scarce and invaluable water resources, and with about 40 million Californians, most in the dry southern area, and the most productive agricultural infrastructure in the world (also mostly in the dry southern part), we are living in a Fool’s Paradise of seeming water abundance.
Fortunately we have able liberal leaders who have taken our taxes to the highest in the nation, our education system to the bottom, our unfunded public employee pension liabilities far past the unsustainable level, and our business climate to the lowest levels (driven down by our Quixotic climate change efforts) . Many can avoid California’s problems by leaving, and many have. Some of us have sufficient assets to remain comfortably, but the vast majority are stuck here and must endure the ever declining living standards wrought by our liberal leadership.
We have met the enemy, and we keep reelecting them.
I remember being at a campground in 1965 on the Rogue River near Merlin OR and seeing all the lines the locals had painted to show the high water mark. They were incredible.
And then there were the January 1997 floods, driven by a La Nina Pineapple Express. While flooding was widespread throughout Northern California, probably the most notable example was in the Feather River Serpentine Canyon and immediately below. Warm rains melted snow on the surrounding peaks. The serpentinite is notoriously impervious, with little soil or vegetation on it. The river was already running high after days of rain. Then the heavy rain and melted snow ran into the river. One of the more interesting pictures I remember seeing was a telephone booth in the river-side town of Belden, buried almost to the top with gravel. A meteorologist I spoke with described it as a “maximum probable event.” The phone booth was tens of feet above the typical Summer water level. https://pubs.usgs.gov/fs/1999/0073/report.pdf
California is no stranger to droughts and floods. However, the modern generation of legislators are more interested in removing dams than building them.
there is 95 percent confident
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this figure is based on the assumption that climate is normally distributed. however, there is significant evidence that rainfall is not normally distributed. Rather it follows an inverse power-law (fractal distribution), as do many, many other events in nature.
The difference is that normally distributed time series have a constant variance and thus a constant standard deviation. This means that over time, extreme events do not become more likely.
However, in a fractal distribution, the variance is not constant. This makes “black-swan” (extreme events) much more likely.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurst_exponent
Studies involving the Hurst exponent were originally developed in hydrology for the practical matter of determining optimum dam sizing for the Nile river’s volatile rain and drought conditions that had been observed over a long period of time.[1][2] The name “Hurst exponent”, or “Hurst coefficient”, derives from Harold Edwin Hurst (1880–1978), who was the lead researcher in these studies; the use of the standard notation H for the coefficient relates to his name also.
YOu have to excuse him. Those on the left really are not bright enough to understand that the Internet is forever, and so is their demonstrating their ignorance. They have the memory of gold fish, so what they said yesterday cannot be used against them today. They do not remember
So far the most incredible stat I’ve heard since this epic two weeks of precipitation is that the San Luis Reservoir (near Los Banos and the Gilroy cutoff) is up 140 feet since last August.
That is just incredible.
Lifelong Californians such as myself understand the patterns of drought (if you think the recent one was bad, check out 1975-77) and deluge we experience.
You’d think Nye would have a clue on what he speaks.
Those of us of a certain age remember when then wasn’t any of this horrible climate change. The weather every day was always the same as it was on the same day the previous year in the same area. Living in Colusa, 50 miles south of where Anthony now resides, the high was always 94 and the low 61 on July 4 back in the 1950s. That was very convenient, except for leap years when you had to go back four years to find out what the weather was going to be.
Then the climate started changing, and it has been quite stressful. Fortunately I’ve found a good therapist who is helping me to cope. However I still wish it would go back to the way it was in the good old days. I’m not going to be around that much longer, but what about the billions of children who are all going to die in the climate Armageddon?
Do you ever wonder if Bill Nye has a remnant of engineer in him that tries to tell his media personality to shut up?
Foot in mouth.
“Bill Nye the Subsidence Guy”?
Not to defend him, I will say Nye is recognized (at least in Ontario) as an authority concerning AGW.
Last fall Steve Pakon had him on “The Agenda” and asked him about the evidence for man-made global warming. Nye explained the current “rate” of warming was unprecedented.
To my surprise Nye had no clue, or just plain ignored the fact the proxy temperature reconstructions completely lack the decadal resolution required for a valid comparison with the instrumental record. Pakon was silent.
Nye was embarrassing. What’s up with Pakon?
for some, if it hasn’t happened within their (short) memory, it is unprecedented
Paikin , actually.
Generally, he does go out on a limb to stand up for guests that others want to actually ban:
http://tvo.org/blog/current-affairs/kathy-shaidle
So there’s that.
When asked what the perfect climate was, one warmist of my acquaintance declared that it was the weather that he remembered from his childhood.
“MarkW
January 13, 2017 at 8:59 am
When asked what the perfect climate was, one warmist of my acquaintance declared that it was the weather that he remembered from his childhood.”
That’s about it. If you’re my age (51), you remember (at least here in Ontario, Canada), very cold 70s and 80s.
Who is to say that the 90s till today aren’t “perfect”?
Thanks for the response Caligula Jones and my sincerest apologies to Steve Paikin.
Streaming on Netflix? Oh goody, that’s really easy to avoid…
Well, that’s part of the problem. People who are not authorities are promoted by the MSM and entertainment industry as “authorities”. (Al Gore ring a bell?)
I remember seeing Meryl Streep appearing before a US government committee looking into the scare of Alar being sprayed on apples a decade or so ago. (The actress tearfully said, “What are we doing to our children!” among other things.)
Her expertise presented by those who asked her to appear?
She had played a farmer’s wife in a movie.
I agree Gunga Din…much more so than Nye, like Streep and other “elites”, Gore triumphs…the AGW scare is believed, especially amongst the educated class.
Um, like, wow..holy cow…as always…these are interesting times.
With “safe spaces” and teddy bears and play-do being handed out or whatever else US Universities and our educational system are doing to pacify those who aren’t sure which bathroom to use because Trump won, perhaps Streep was right.
If I may paraphrase her, “What have we done to our children!”
You’re the parent, not the “schooling” system. Stay involved with your child. Don’t leave the values and common sense they learn up to a Government system.
An acquaintance of mine is a biker-ish sort, someone who definitely “knows someone who knows someone”.
He was once hired to be a consultant on a show about bikers. The director asked him to join him and the cast at a bar, without telling anyone who he was, and “mess with cast” to give them a taste of how he wanted them to get into character.
Needless to say, the big, tough actors, even with their tats, beards and fake persona, were quickly disabused of the idea that playing an biker isn’t close to being an actor…
Er, make that “playing an biker isn’t close to BEING a biker…”
Bill Nye is a genius. He has brought science to many many children and young adults. I think he getting a bad rap in this post because he doesn’t believe in the supernatural.
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“Cliff” writes similar to some others from the last 10 years. Could be one of those with a new name.
So, to Cliff, and any readers not familiar with the issues, let me say I have recently reached a tipping point regarding the recycling of such things as “every scientific academy in the world believes” [Note the term believes, rather than has proof of.] Further, I never heard Bill did not believe in the supernatural — and do not care.
Anyway, for Cliff and friends: Find a version of the 1948 song “Life Gets Tee-Jus Don’t It”, written by Carson Robison. Many versions are on the web. The song expresses why most of us do not bother (anymore) to answer these recycled questions.
PS: We all believe in climate change.
This was my second time commenting. My advice for you would be to smoke some weed and look through a microscope!
Once again, clff demonstrates just how stupid it actually is.
His first point is totally irrelevant to anything John wrote, and the second was just a pathetic insult.
[???mod] – It is Bill nye in disguise.
On another thread, Cliff is trying to prove that Obama is the greatest president ever. Literally.
If the destruction of the US as a world power and the #1 economy is your goal, then yes, Obama is the greatest ever. You can say a lot about Obama, but you cannot say he did not get anything done.
philjourdan, on Bush’s last day in office, the USA was the #1 world power, and the #1 world economy. As of today, the USA is the #1 world power and the #1 world economy. So, please explain to us exactly what Obama destroyed.
Free enterprise
The Steelers were up by 21 at half time. They won by 3. Had the game gone 5 quarters, they would have lost.
So the US still has the same lead it did when Bush was in Office? No. So we are respected around the world? Tell that to Ambassador Stevens, Netanyahu, Putin or even Assad (when you can get him to stop laughing). How about the mad mullahs, or little Kim? ISIS? How about Cameron? Yea, getting someone with any guts to say something other than he was a “good man” is tough. Even for those not dead.
Thanks to Obama, we still have some nukes, but no respect. He threw our allies under the bus, and licked the bottoms of the our enemies. He took the strongest economy in the world and subjected it to 8 years of less than 1.25% growth. Anemic, not even enough to keep up with inflation.
I am sure you would like your participation trophy, but there are none in real life. So you will have to just suck up the fact that Obama was the worst thing for the country since the Plague.
Reading lines that other people wrote for you makes one a genius?
Has anyone ever mentioned Nye’s belief or non-belief in the supernatural?
Everyone I have read points out to the many real world examples of Nye being flat out wrong.
Did you take classes in red herrings, or are you just naturally stupid?
WOW!
I bet Cliff still runs recordings of Nye’s shows to learn everything there is to know about everything.
I’ve seen some of his shows. Hardly really teachings kids anything. The whole show was predicated on the assumption that kids have a short attention span. He did a lot of flashy things to communicate a conclusion but they learned NOTHING about observing and thinking and reasoning about what was observed.
Mr. Wizard had him beat hands down.
“The supernatural”? At present he seems to believe and propound that what Man does is “Super” to the “Natural”.
Bill Nye The Useful Idiot Guy
Not fit to kiss David Bellamy’s feet
“I still say it’s poppycock,” he said. “For the last 16 years, temperatures have been going down and the carbon dioxide has been going up and the crops have got greener and grow quicker.
“We’ve done plenty to smash up the planet, but there’s been no global warming caused by man.
“If you believe it, fine. But I don’t and there’s thousands like me.”
David Bellamy tells of moment he was “frozen out” of BBC
Whadda guy.
The first bunch of clown posts were GREAT! Still laughing!!!
Bill Nye will talk about the science of greenhouse gases is proven but his experiment with the jars shows he doesn’t even know what the greenhouse effect is. He says the heat lamp simulates the sun. The entire concept of greenhouse gas effect is based on something that is transparent to solar energy and opaque to infra-red energy. Like glass. Like a greenhouse. A heat lamp emits infra-red energy, no solar wavelengths, So the heat lamp is just going to heat up the outside of the jar and not get any energy through the glass like solar energy would. And since the glass jar is ALREADY opaque to infra-red radiation then adding greenhouse gases inside the jar isn’t going to change anything. Its really a sad statement on our collective knowledge of simple science concepts that this guy isn’t mocked everywhere he goes.
The BBC is to spend a large sum of licence-payers money identifying what they choose to call ‘fake news’.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/jan/12/bbc-sets-up-team-to-debunk-fake-news
Well, they could start with their own reports on climate change but somehow I think that they will be more likely looking at reports which don’t support the BBC propaganda position.
More of that stuff which is now only a memory:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-38601592
Can we all agree to only call Bill Nye, Bill Nye “The non science guy” from now on
How about “. . . the ski-fi guy”?
Oops: “. . . the sci-fi guy”
Sci-fi has to make sense.
Sciencey.
There are any number of non-science people. The subtly of ‘sciencey’ is that it negates his term for himself. So: Bill Nye – The Sciencey Guy, says to me, if you want good science, go elsewhere.
Bull Nye the Siants guy ; )
Bill Nye – the Science Lie.
The saving grace about CO2 is that it makes people look really stupid. Just wait for it. It will come.
So when it suits them weather is climate change, when it doesn’t suit them climate change is not weather…
Yes, similar to how CO2 emissions can both cause droughts and floods in the same region. Quite magic, that CO2.
I reckon that is a syrup….
(Cockney rhyming slang – ‘syrup of figs’ – a wig….)
Hey, I got an idea. Let’s take weather caused disasters that have always occurred and now make wild claims about how we can stop them today by tweaking a trace gas in the atmosphere. Yeah, let’s do it!! (signed bill Nye)
In here is an explanation for why California and US are seeing current extreme weather conditions
http://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/how-rapid-arctic-sea-ice-melt-may-alter-global-weather-patterns/70000514
I don’t see how an extreme weather event likes this proves the California drought cycle is over…
If California truly moves away from drought, it will see a return to its previous pattern of regular/seasonal rainfall.
Not drought punctuated by extreme weather?
Is future California OK if it gets all its rainfall every other year or so from a week of this sort of rain??
Key word in the title, “may”.
Regardless, since there is absolutely nothing unusual in the recent CA weather, that alone disproves the claim that it must have been caused by CO2.
Poor Griff is getting more and more desperate.
Maybe he’s heard that the propaganda mill that employs him is going to have to downsize.
Griff,
“Is future California OK if it gets all its rainfall every other year or so from a week of this sort of rain??”
I’ve lived in California for about five decades, and people were talking about the generally dryish with occasional very wet years since I got here . . this is normal . .
YOu do not see what when there is a flood, the drought is over?
Do you need a new pair of glasses?
The weather is not unusual, only infrequent. So you are now claiming the Arctic sea ice regularly disappears to cause the periodic Pineapple express that inundates California? Sounds like that is called weather, but you can call it a unicorn if you want.
Griff frequently claims that a handful of ships logs over 100 years gives us as good a coverage of the arctic as satellites do today.
California has always been boom-bust for rainfall. The last few years are just how it goes.
Bill Nye the Propaganda guy would be just a funny joke except that he is in my kids classrooms all the time.
I try to be non-judgmental in child rearing but I did hear my kid say this…
“My mommy is a scientist and she says never believe anything Bill Nye says”
So I’m getting the word out…LOL
The nightmare is almost over, along with the court jesters like Nye.
Bill Nye, The Stupid Guy.
Oh yes, what else they could say:
‘On a global scale, there’s little to no evidence flooding events have been on the rise. The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change found in 2013 that “there continues to be a lack of evidence and thus low confidence regarding the sign of trend in the magnitude and/or frequency of floods on a global scale”’