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Guest essay by Eric Worrall
Catholic Online reports that new priests will be expected to be familiar with and promote efforts to reduce carbon emissions.
New priests to learn about global warming as part of formation
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LOS ANGELES, CA (California Network) — The Catholic Church is intimately concerned about climate change. The Vatican’s Pontifical Academy of Sciences is the world’s oldest, longest running scientific mission. That body, which advises the pope on matters of science, has concluded that global climate change is real and is caused, at least in significant part, by human activity.
This is important to the Church because creation care is part of our mission. We are called to be stewards of creation. It’s also important because climate change can exacerbate the ills of poverty. Poor people in much of the world are the most vulnerable to changes.
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Unfortunately, the issue is politicized. In the late 1970s, when the issue threatened the financial interests of the fossil fuel industry, the political lobbies, chiefly in the United States, financed a massive political disinformation campaign to manufacture the illusion of dissent within the scientific community.
We know because this manipulation of public opinion has been caught and documented. The fossil fuel industry funds nearly all of the climate change skeptics, going so far as to commission questionable studies, to financing think tanks, and even paying individual bloggers. The deception continues today.
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But what does this have to do with the Church?
The Church has a responsibility to care for people, and the environment. And care for one is also care for the other.
Now updated guidelines for the formation of clergy says new priests should understand this as well:
“Protecting the environment and caring for our common home — the Earth, belong fully to the Christian outlook on man and reality. Priests should be “promoters of an appropriate care for everything connected to the protection of creation.”
The new guidelines suggest that in the future, priests will also have a good grasp of the global climate change problem and will share this with their congregation.
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Read more: http://www.catholic.org/news/green/story.php?id=72433
From the Vatican website;
The Gift of the Priestly Vocation
… For some time now, experts and researchers, active in different fields of study, have turned their attention to the emerging planetary crisis, which is reflected strongly in the current Magisterium regarding the ‘ecological question’. Protecting the environment and caring for our common home – the Earth – belong fully to the Christian outlook on man and reality. They constitute in some way the basis for a sound ecology of human relations. Hence they demand, today above all, a “profound interior conversion. It must be said that some committed and prayerful Christians, with the excuse of realism and pragmatism, tend to ridicule expressions of concern for the environment. Others are passive; they choose not to change their habits and thus become inconsistent. So what they all need is an ‘ecological conversion’, whereby the effects of their encounter with Jesus Christ become evidence in their relationship with the world around them. Living our vocation to be protectors of God’s handiwork is essential to a life of virtue; it is not an optional or a secondary aspect of our Christian experience. Therefore it will be necessary for future priests to be highly sensitive to this theme and, through the requisite Magisterial and theological guidance, helped to “acknowledge the appeal, immensity and urgency of the challenge we face”. This must then be applied to their future priestly ministry, making them promoters of an appropriate care for everything connected to the protection of creation. …
Whats next? Excommunication of scientists whose theories aren’t approved by the Pope?
Update (EW) – Added a quote from “The Gift of the Priestly Vocation” from the Vatican website.
Everything else they preach is utter bollocks so why not?
Don’t be one of those people. Despite the recent leftward tilt in the papacy, the Catholic Church has been at the forefront of charity throughout the world for centuries. Unfortunately, as it is a body run by humans, it has had its share of mis-steps over time (including the topic covered in this article). But the message of salvation, love, and charity will endure forever. And you can live with that.
renbutler
“Forefront of charity throughout the world for centuries.”
Yeah right, tell it to the poor souls who were murdered because they wouldn’t convert. That’s really charitable. Or those who are starving while the inside of the church glitters in gold. Yeah, right, that’s charitable too. And it still goes on. If you are Catholic and speak out against what the church is doing you get threatened to be excommunicated. Then there are the pedophiles in the church who are protected by church authorities, that’s charitable too. The other word for charity? Why it’s love. It seems the leadership today is becoming more aligned with Earth Worship rather than spreading Christ’s gospel message.
But none of this should surprise anyone. Anyone that reads and studies the scriptures in the Bible. No, what the Catholic Church is up to has long been foretold in scripture. You may try to read it and study it for yourself instead of having some man in the hire of the Catholic Church, or any church for that matter, tell you what the scriptures, also known as the Word of God, are telling you.
Yes, the message of salvation, love and charity will endure forever but you aren’t getting that message by listening to the leadership of the Catholic Church.
Don ‘t feel bad, many Protestant churches are guilty of doing the same thing. Funny, they all say emphatically that they are not Catholic but many of them follow many of the Catholic traditions that are against God and not in alignment with him.
Ok I’ve said my piece, let the social denigration begin.
Did you know your popey turned in two of his own, who were fighting for farmers right…they were tortured and held in jail for a long time without charge. Your popey is just another pedophile protector. Another globalist stooge…
“…the Catholic Church has been at the forefront of charity throughout the world for centuries.”
And they also have a fifteen-century history of theft, rape, torture and murder.
“… it has had its share of mis-steps over time”
I wouldn’t consider the destruction of Alexander’s Library by Justinian because he believed no knowledge or ethics existed before his beloved Jewish carpenter; the invention of the rack, the strappado, the Judas Pear, the widespread ignorance and prejudice for over a thousand years, including the burning of heretics a “misstep” per se. That’s like saying The Black Plague was a case of the sniffles.
Freemasons give more to charity pro rata per head of membership than does the RC church.
http://www.ugle.org.uk/charity
Catholic Church has been at the forefront of charity throughout the world for centuries.
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bs. the church is one of the richest institutions on earth. they take money from the poorest of the poor, under threat of you “burning in hell” if you don’t pay up. it is legalized extortion of the worst kind.
This whackjob pope is a BIG “mis-step”.
It is estimated (conservatively) that the Catholic Church killed half the population of Europe during Reformation alone. So much for the Catholic’s love and charity. They made Hitler look like a bump in the road.
Agreed but this pope has swung to far to the left and he is taking the whole church with him. Of course that is who he has always been and the folks that elected him to the position knew it.
As a Catholic, I am only concerned about spiritual matters with regards to Catholicism specifically. The Pope is neither a scientist nor a politician. Papal infallibility may have worked at one time, but I, like practically every other practitioner of all other religions, pick and choose what I like and dislike about Catholicism. I will not accept the Pope’s stance on climate change described in this article, nor refugees for that matter.
A lot of the bad stuff done in the name of Christianity was not actually done by the Church. It was done by the nobility and those that served them. In the case of some of the nastier crusades; it was done by the public itself… The power structure in Europe wasn’t how many Americans imagine it. The Church did not control the nobility and was often there trying to soften it and shame them into being more humanitarian… even with non Christians and people who strayed from the church. The whole conversion thing, in Europe at least, was due to a historical oddity. People who left the Catholic church often joined politically rebellious proto socialist movements that advocated overthrowing the nobility. Ergo the nobility say them as a threat and tried to execute them… The church would roll in and try to save them by asking them to rejoin the church to show they were not political rebels / threats to the nobility. They didn’t ask the nobility to go on the attack and generally were just trying to save people from being murdered by asking them to rejoin… this got spun into the church causing the problem (see what most people think of ‘the inquisition’).
“Catholic Church: New Priests Will be Expected to Preach Global Warming”
Don’t you see history repeating itself: such an idiotic unscientific preaching from the Vatican occurred in the 17th Century when the Inquisition hauled up Galileo simply because he had the audacity to provide hard, scientific evidence contrary to the Church’s teachings. He demonstrated that the Earth travels in orbit around the Sun, and not vice versa as proclaimed in Holy Scripture.
When will the Green’s ever learn that true science does not mix well with unfounded medieval faith.
Volunteers please! Who’s first to go for a long stretch – literally, with the Inquisition to disprove the Green’s faith?
@Perry, throughout the world, the Catholic Church is the greatest provider of social services. When the Red Cross, Salvation Army and Samaritan’s purse are going to countries in which there has been a natural disaster, unless Christianity is illegal (such as in some Muslim countries) the Church is already there and has been helping people on a day-to-day basis.
Religious orders have been founded specifically to help the poor by educating people, training them in trades, opening hospitals, helping all. This goes back 2000 yrs.
@Freeland_Dave, I can never understand why protestants complain about the Catholic Church, yet ignore that it was the Church that codified the Bible that Martin Luther truncated.
Thank you,renbutler. There are those who will always find fault but mostly because they are unread or choose to be ignorant of the truth. The Catholic is the only Christian church whose founder was Jesus Himself. All others can name their human founders. Jesus fore told of persecution and failings BUT He also promised to be with us until the end of time. From the moment of conception we became eternal children of God. We came from His heart and long to be reunited with Him after our earthly body gives out.
We are not required to believe or follow any human who tells not tell the truth or distorts God’s law or love.
MERRY CHRISTMAS to all God’s children even those who don’t believe We are all loved by God.
Sister Marie
“… the message of salvation, love, and charity will endure forever”, regardless of your religious/faith affiliation. This is yet another example of the Pope/Catholic church putting its nose where it does not belong.
They do need to learn that the universe does NOT revolve around Rome. They also need to recognize that they are responsible primarily for much of the overpopulation in may Latin American Countries.
But when your power depends on dutiful paying slaves, you want all the people you can breed.
G
I’d like to point out that everybody on this thread is being exercised by a “fake news” story. The actual finding about paying attention to man’s impact on creation is NOT an endorsement of the editorially inserted bull about fossil fuels and oil companies paying for a false narrative. That crap was never even a part of the Catholic Findings but the “spin” put in there by some environmentalists extremist
well said, renbutler
Blame the messagers, not the message?
Christianity was co-opted by the Roman Catholic Church and their week Protestant counterparts the Protestants It amazing that people believe there was only 4 Gospels. The central point of the RCC under Bishop Irenaeus of Lyons was that they kept out any Gospel that went counter to their scam, especially the fact that you DON”T need a middlemen for you relationship with the Supreme Being. ( Gospels left out Gospels of Judas, Mary Phillip etc)
For those who want to know the WHOLE story read the Gnostic Gospel’s by Elaine Pagels, Professor of religion at Princeton and many more.
The RCC hierarchy with their costumes (they look like they should be on a floatt during Mardi Gras) bling, jewelry, rapmant pedpphile, and hoscus poscis BS is believed by so many it is scary.
No one knows what the Roman Catholic Church spends on charity or anything else, however charity might be defined. Its budget isn’t public.
Catholic Charities, USA, does however rate four stars from Charity Navigator:
https://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=10656
Better than the Clinton Family Crime Foundation, obviously.
But then there were those indulgences that launched Martin Luther’s revolt. The Papacy needed to sell those in Germany to finance its wars in Italy.
And the Church was at war with itself over the enslavement and slaughter of American Indians.
has been at the forefront of charity
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Exactly, and what he’s doing is just more of the same. Getting money from the first world to funnel to the third world….he’s just discovered using this scam to do it
People have got to stop falling for this…and thinking he’s stupid..
Thinking these people are stupid is what’s going to cause us to lose. He’s not stupid…he’s manipulating
The church is losing members in countries that pay..
..and gaining members in countries that get paid
He’s not going to gain any members by saying don’t pay….and he’s buying third world members by telling them the church will get them something.
Nan
December 10, 2016 at 9:56 am
Luther didn’t expunge enough canonical books from the NT. About half of the Pauline Epistles are fakes (” pseudepigraphical”), forged long after Paul’s death in order to reinforce Church doctrine contrary to Early Christian practice and belief, once it became organized hierarchically and its adherents no longer expected a prompt return of Christ. Authorship of other NT books are similarly questionable, at best. The Church had mutated from persecuted minority to official state religion of the Roman Empire when it finally decided which books to include in the canon.
The Old Testament OTOH has been expurgated by both Jewish and Christian compilers. The second most popular book, Enoch, with Jesus’ sect the Essenes, as shown by the Dead Sea Scrolls, was not included in the Masoretic Text (AD 7th to 10th centuries).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Sea_Scrolls
Enoch fell out of favor with compilers of the MT because it showed Enoch “taken” by God in a manner akin to Jesus’ Ascension. Genesis 5:24 says, “And Enoch walked with God, and he was no longer, for God had taken him”.
It also describes in detail biblical cosmology, which was embarrassing even in the state of scientific knowledge in the 7th century. Yet it’s still canonical in the Ethiopian Orthodox Catholic and some other Orthodox Churches.
thomas
December 10, 2016 at 9:32 am
You appear to be unfamiliar with European history.
The Church condoned the mass murderous crusades of Charlemagne against the pagan Saxons and later of the Teutonic Knights against the pagan Prussians and Lithuanians, to name but a few instances of the religion spread by fire, sword and ax, in the case of the Saxons’ sacred groves.
Some historians have seen the Viking raids and invasions as retribution against the Christians who slaughtered their “southern” (ie, German) Nordic pagan coreligionists.
Henry V’s dad Henry IV, before usurping the English throne from his cousin Richard II, participated in the crusade against the Lithuanians twice in the early 1390s, then went on pilgrimage to Jerusalem.
Unfortunately the organization has taken a hard left turn with the little bouncer from Buenos Aires. It’s merely a propaganda organ now. Still waiting for the main man to tear down those “hateful walls” around the Vatican City.
Amen, ren.
Catholic charities are getting rich by bringing in the moslem invaders, and pretending they are refugees. You need to wake up to what is going on.
Many here appear the same to me as the SJWs probably appear to those same many people. Just believing what they were indoctrinated to believe by the very same “elites”.
The Clintons gave some of their Clinton Foundation money to charity — maybe 5% to 10% — so they must be wonderful people?
If Catholics are turning into socialists, then they oppose the faster rate of economic growth from free markets (vs. socialism) that has lifted more people out of poverty than any religion.
If you are pro-socialism, then you are anti-prosperity = anti-poor people.
The church has amassed a huge amount of wealth for itself that benefits no one but the clergy.
That’s true of many religions.
Yes. I’m sure the moslem Trojan Horse refugees really appreciate the weakminded Catholics that want to help them. The issue of homosexual degenerate priests was bad enough. But to be so gullible and ignorant of life as to help people who want to kill us is unforgivable. Lebanon was a Christian country until they started helping devil spawn moslems. If thst is allowed to happen here what is “mother” Church going to do? Pray the Rosary? Prayers don’t stop killers. Grow up people.
This Marxist pope must be trying to spur a mass exodus from the church…
mtatina,
“The Catholic is the only Christian church whose founder was Jesus Himself…”
Or, you’ve been misled. I see nothing in the Book that comes even close to establishing any man as the head of the body of Christ, but Jesus Himself.
I say, it makes no sense at all to believe that God made the world, to be inhabited by us, and included vast amounts of extremely handy fuels all over the joint, if making use of that fuel would be catastrophic for His Creations . . I say the ApOPE IS A FAKER
The Popes used to be a spiritual leader in recent years now this Pope is a political leader it scares me! Asked yourselves this has there been higher levels of CO2 in the past? Without the factories belching smoke and SUVs being driven all over! Further knowledge about climate gate! It’s so sad the world deception
Guess you weren’t mistreated by sexually repressed evil Irish nuns in the 1960’s. Bully for you.
mtatina
December 10, 2016 at 10:37 am
Sorry, but the Greek and Syriac Orthodox churches, at least, are older than the Roman Catholic Church. The Eastern churches descend from the Jewish Christians headed by Jesus’ brother James.
Recent leftward tilt? How would you explain that old ex-Jesuit fossil Jerry Brown?
AGREE WITH YOUR COMMENTS, EXCEPT THE CURRENT POPE IS A FOOL AND HIS FAR LEFT LUNACY WILL END UP DESTROYING THE CHURCH, AND THE GOOD THAT IT DOES. IF HE IS A TRUE MAN OF GOD HE WILL UNDERSTAND THAT MAN IS NOT POWERFUL ENOUGH TO CHANGE WHAT GOD MADE, AND THE NATURAL CHANGES IN CLIMATE ARE THE RESULT OF GOD’S WORK—NOT MAN, NOT SUVS AND CERTAINLY NOT AS THEY BELIEVE IN CALIFORNIA, COW FARTS..
You obviously don’t have much knowledge about “The Black Jesuits” Te poopy pope is one of them.
Message of salvation? You mean the message that the sacrifice of the cross is not enough ,so one must earn his way into heaven by good works? No, I cannot live with that.
Just as I was thinking of returning and becoming a practicing Catholic, this! I have a long list of grievances and your response smacks of what I heard from the Archbishop of Denver while he was defending the pedophiliac priests in the 1990s. On top of that, corruption has been a theme within the Church for centuries. No thank, you, I have had it – the Roman Catholic Church is the poster child for hypocrisy.
if you call buggering little boys charity then the catholics are A1, top of the heap when it comes to charity
Catholic Charities uses tax payer BILLIONS for its “good works” by nurturing and rewarding illegal aliens to flood the US. Then they “help the poor” by helping them to gain access to Medicaid, food stamps and endless subsidies. The recent years of the Catholic leadership, including the US council of Catholic Bishops has driven away thousands of cradle Catholics who know right from wrong. Apparently, the Church leadership forgot two Commandments…”thou shalt not steal” and “thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s goods”. Very disappointing to see what they are now prioritizing as teachings.
… well said.
The Pope’s position on global warming is Masonic and the rallying cry for Masonc one world government. The Pope is a fraud and an imposter. His earth worship belief is idolatry. God is the guardian of earth. The planet belongs to the Almighty. God looks after his creation. God takes care of it. This is what parish priests should be preaching.
The message is more political than spiritual.Jesus came to save sinners, not to proclaim social justice.The message was to save people, not the earth and he said:Heaven and earth will pass but,my words never will pass.The catholic church are wolves, disguised as sheep.
Well said!
I am all for caring for our environment and take steps to do so, but I still can not get behind that “Climate Change” is something we have control over or that it is true the science definitely shows a human-induced warming.
In spirit I agree with you but the truth and facts are out there. The Catholic Church has been taken over by Jesuit Luciferins.m I’ve been Catholic most of my life but had to leaved use to the false doctrine being taught. Love God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit.
Be the Love of Christ. Stop supporting the Catholic Church, it is being used as an instrument for Satan, just as the bible predicted.
Dear Ren, never mind the insults being hurled at you, remember they hurled insults and accusations at our Lord as well. I completely agree with you. Although I do believe the highest levels of the church today have been hi jacked by the Luciferians, to fulfill end time prophecy, it has been salt and light to billions through the centuries. Denouncing birth control, which is man’s chemical rebellion against God, abortion, the sanctity of marriage, the 10 commandments…all uplifted by the church. The accusers who are so quick to judge others, must one day answer for their own great sins and all truth shall be revealed before His throne. In the meantime, may you be comforted by His presence and speak boldly of your faith.
Salvation through works is about the biggest heresy there is. Ask a Catholic how they get to heaven. You’ll get a short list that usually includes tithing, church attendance, being a good person, and hopefully they’ll include the blood of Jesus. Ask them if it’s a 50/50, 70/30, or an 80/20 deal. Then point out that they should remember when they see Jesus to tell Him “Thanks they couldn’t have done it without Him”. Ah, the works of almighty man as they earn their way into heaven.
” Don’t you see history repeating itself: such an idiotic unscientific preaching from the Vatican occurred in the 17th Century when the Inquisition hauled up Galileo simply because he had the audacity to provide hard, scientific evidence contrary to the Church’s teachings. ”
Galileo DIDN’T provide hard evidence of heliocentrisim. That is part of what got him in trouble.
In his day there were two SCIENTIFIC objections that were fatal to heliocentrisim.
1. If the earth is moving, why don’t we feel it moving?
Newtonian physics, which answered that objection, wouldn’t be around for another 50 years. There was no satisfactory answer in Galileo’s day.
2. If the Earth moves around the sun, we should observe stellar parallax. How do you account for the lack of this observed stellar parallax?
Stellar parallax wasn’t successfully observed until the 19th century. Nobody then had any reason to believe the universe was as big as we now know it to be.
Galileo could answer neither of these objections. Objections raised by his fellow scientists.
Want to know what Galileo thought was his BEST evidence? The tides, because the earth going around the sun caused all the water in the oceans to slosh around. (Yes, really.)
The church was open to the possibility of heliocentrisim, but it demanded that it be shown to be more likely to be true than geocentrisim. Galileo could never do that.
It was only when he started demanding people accept it as true, without proof, and publicizing theological reinterpretations, that he was completely unqualified to do, that he was hauled before the inquisition. Afterwards, he was allowed to retire to a 2100 square foot villa home with a servant provided, such savagery on the part of the church. *rolleyes*
Freeland_Dave, why don’t you learn a little real history and put everything into perspective.
Yes, the Church has done evil things, but so has every type of organization.
Double standards just show how immature you are.
You’re are a idiot Jimmy. Many of us Catholics see this as not telling the truth.
Yes, and there is an outbreak of heresy in Canada, at the CBC of all places. The comedians are making fun of political climate activism.
Canada announces new climate change goal: increase meetings by 88%. Complete with video.
https://rclutz.wordpress.com/2016/12/10/canada-announces-new-climate-change-goal-increase-meetings-by-88-by-the-year-2019/
It may surprise people to know that in the spirit or unseen realm the spirit behind the pope, Hillary, Obama and all the immoral lot are the SAME It is the spirit that comes to kill, steal and destroy – The Words of Yahshua (Jesus) in John 10:10.
The church is not the place to talk about global warming……which is a lie perpetrated by the left. Shame on Pope Frances for this imposition on our sacred space of church with this bilge.
The Church can legitimately use a consensus. Unfortunately, they keep conflating it with science.
How a community can support the global warming mantra knowing that it is caused by human consumption of God provided natural resources, but be against birth control that reduces a rapidly growing World population that uses these resources that benefit mankind is beyond me.
Jimmy Haigh writes: “Everything else they preach is utter bollocks so why not?”
I happen to admire some of those bollocks such as “thou shalt not kill”, not steal, tell falsehoods, stuff like that. Being courteous and kind to neighbors. I’m a bit worried that someone with your negative attitude might be my neighbor.
what happened to “turn the other cheek”?
Brilliant response to Jimmy Haigh’s hateful remarks.
What happened (in the ferd’s revised version of the B 1 b l e) to: “Answer a fool … lest he or she be wise in her or his own eyes.” (Proverbs 26:4)?
And where in the FRV are all the passages where Jesus sternly rebukes the Pharisees and hypocrites?
In your inapt citing of Scr1p ture you are to be pitied and you have proven nothing. Remember, “even the devil can cite Scr1p ture for his purpose. … (William Shakespeare, The Merchant of Venice — based on the devil’s mis-use of Scr1 pture in trying to tempt Jesus in the wilderness, Matthew 4:6 — Jesus soundly refuted him by accurately citing Scr1pture back at him)
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And re: all the illogical arguments above against Roman Catholic charity over the years —
That a given charitable organization also has corruption within its ranks and misdeeds done by some of its members is NOT A LOGICAL REASON to assert that the organization overall has done more harm than good.
The charity done by the Catholic Church (and I am not a Catholic) is so well known and universal that it requires no defense. It is common knowledge.
In your blind hatred of God, you write ridiculously.
it is called truth, you may not like it, but he told the honest truth! something the RC church hasn’t done in centuries! peter the roman is your last pope, and after seeing what direction he is taking the church , it is easy to see why!
Fine, go with Spinoza’s Ethics then.
Then the Church should have followed the Ten Commandments and other laudable biblical admonitions instead of killing, stealing and lying.
Well, to “smite one on the cheek”, in that culture, was not a left hook. It was a way to insult someone. Like slapping someone in the face with a glove was a challenge to a duel a hundred or so years ago.
“Sticks and stones may break my bones but words can never hurt me.” … unless you respond in kind.
If they can preach immaculate conception with a straight face, why not global wrming? Let’s see, is his the same type Vatican Academy of Science that condemned Galileo for claiming the Earth was round? Let us be clear, millions will die of starvation if we don’t understand and mediate the global cooling about to extend for decades due to the expected solar minimum that will bring lower temperatures reducing crop yields for decades. A review of current solar science will reveal the validity of this fact. British and U.S. Goddard Climade Institutes are a sham of misinformation and cherry picked statistics while NASA satellite globl temperature data shows no warming and slight cooling. This science is NOT settled and further honest research is needed, not mindless adherence to the religion of Global Warming. Remember, first they warned us of global cooling, then warming, now they just call it change, so obviously this is NOT settled science.
John Sheridan writes “is this the same type Vatican Academy of Science that condemned Galileo for claiming the Earth was round?”
If so they are remarkably long-lived. However it appears your red herring isn’t correctly formed. The dispute wasn’t apparently the roundness of Earth:
In or about the year 1615: “Pope Paul V instructed Cardinal Bellarmine to deliver this finding to Galileo, and to order him to abandon the opinion that heliocentrism was physically true. On 26 February, Galileo was called to Bellarmine’s residence and ordered: … to abandon completely… the opinion that the sun stands still at the center of the world and the earth moves, and henceforth not to hold, teach, or defend it in any way whatever, either orally or in writing.”
John,
Yet again I’d like to point out that the Church knew the earth is spherical. What got GG slapped in stir was claiming that the earth moves, not that it’s round.
The Church at that time overlooked the flat earth passages in the Bible, but made doctrine of those in which the sun moves around the earth (actually over it in the Bible), while earth remains immobile, and at the center of the universe.
I sure hope no one reading this stuff believes Chimp is as all-knowing as he apparently does . . He’s an SJW from an earlier batch, I am quite sure.
You can check any weather site for the time the sun rose today . . but most mature people realize that’s not an indication that the people running the site believe “the sun moves around the earth” . . and I never hear ANYONE say the world rotated me into the darkness . . But hey, if your programmed mission is to hack away at some aspect of the West, and you can’t face the possibility that you’ve been programmed, hack away you will, I guess.
“I happen to admire some of those bollocks such as ‘thou shalt not kill’, not steal, tell falsehoods, stuff like that. Being courteous and kind to neighbors.”
One may admire and believe any or all of these things without being Catholic. Believing and living all of them does not make one Catholic. As for what one must believe in order to be Catholic, utter bollocks, IMO, is putting it mildly.
For over 2000 years this organization of greed, bigotry, murder and hatred, dedicated to death, has controlled minds and bodies. This Global Warming Hoax is just the latest scam they are pulling and stupid Christians flock to hear and embrace the message. The Death Cult. AINT IT GREAT?
It reads like hyperbole but it is actually true. Paul contradicted himself about his appointment as an apostle (Acts 9, 22, 26) and blood sacrifice was deprecated by the prophets (Psalm 40:6, Jeremiah 7:11)
Here is a simple thought. The Church did not start the global warming story, but this one pope has recently joined the debate on the side of the warmists. One of his top cardinals has a 180 degree take on the AGW story. Yet you would cast blame on all and any who follow Catholicism. That is your biased outlook, but to each their own at the end of the day.
David 1st of all you have to be in total idiot to exclaim all Christians! I am a Christian I and I don’t believe in the global warming hoax,. God is very real! The laity of the Catholic Church has always been fine coming from a Protestant background. So sad your ignorance I’m going to pray for you
Please think for a moment, David, about why the US never fell for the CAGW. Why did all the Europeans fall hook line and sinker for it, so to speak, please wonder. And who do you think voted for our next President? It must have been Christians, don’t you figure?
I’m in my seventies and graduated from a Catholic college. Since about 1965, I’ve only heard about five or six “homilies”. formerly known as “sermons” from priests at Mass mention the following reality, extremely prominent when I was a kid……….HELL! Priests rarely mention HELL any more. Global warming? (NO. it’s now conveniently named “climate change” by the Left, since the globe hasn’t warmed in about twenty years, and the climate changes in every atom on earth every second and cannot be logically argued against). It was warmer during Roman times than it is now-in Rome! The tundra reached France in the middle ages. The Delaware was frozen when Washington crossed it. Like Jesus, he could’ve walked across to Newtown, PA. Hey Pope…RESIGN….Priests…Tel;l us about Hell. Are you afraid to talk about Jesus’ commands to avoid going there?
Where was the Catholic Church during the holocaust — 6 million Jews plus others murdered in Hitler’s ovens? Did the church not know? Did the church not see? Did the church not care?
The Catholic Church has been taken over by the modernists, which in 1907 St Pius X warned about in his
encyclical PASCENDI. These intruders have attempted to promulgate, in the name of the Roman Catholic Church, abominable novelties in every aspect of her life, in the areas of doctrine, morals, liturgy, canon law, pastoral practices, seminary education and religious life. For example, would Pope Pius XII change the eighth commandment allowing divorced and remarried to receive holy communion or would St Pius X go and celebrate the heritic Luther’s anniversary. No way!
The new church don’t preach about Hell, because in their world nobody goes there. Few go to confession, but everyone goes to Communion. The Norvos Ordo Mass is just a Protestant service.
NovusOrdoWatch gives true information on the state of the church since Vatican II and Traditional Catholic Sermons have traditional sermons the way it once was.
There are Catholics who are presently adhering to tradition, bishops, priests, and laity alike,
However, Rome has lost the faith, leading most of the Catholic world to hell.
Oh Jimmy – I see that your are student of Canon Law. – Not!
Isn’t this the same bunch that preached that the world was flat??
No, it was geocentrism.
Christian intellectuals were the first people to realize the geocentrism is wrong . . That’s who invented what we call science, O masters of all you imagine ; )
John,
Copernicus relied on pagan Greek scientists who centuries earlier had hypothesized a heliocentric system. They too were opposed by pagan orthodoxy as impious for not placing earth at the center of everything.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philolaus
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aristarchus_of_Samos
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seleucus_of_Seleucia
Copernicus had access to pagan texts because of the Ottoman capture of Constantinople in 1453, which caused many Byzantine scholars to flee to Western Europe, with rare manuscripts. Copernicus studied Greek as well as Latin.
Nor was the scientific revolution limited to Catholic scientists, like Copernicus, Vesalius and Galileo. Kepler was a Protestant, as was the student who persuaded Copernicus finally to publish his hypothesis, and the printer of his book. Hans Lipper(s)hey, most often credited with inventing the telescope in 1608, was also Protestant. In 1609, Galileo heard of the Netherlandish device and made one of his own. Englishman Thomas Harriot observed the moon through a telescope earlier in the year (August) than did GG (December).
That is well-summarized by Chimp.
Copernicus’ system still modeled the heavenly bodies as moving in circular orbits. That is why there were still complications with the heliocentric theory. It was not long after wards that others were able to work with the observations and propose eliptical orbits around a central sun.
I would submit to you that Copernicus was not able to overcome his Greek training as much as was required. Aristotle taught the doctrine of the perfection of the heavens, which would require perfectly circular movements — and incidentally, this doctrine of Aristotle’s also ruled out that there could be sunspots and rough valleys on the moon!
Chimp,
“Copernicus relied on pagan Greek scientists . . yada yada yada”
I meant what we now call science (like I said). From the Wiki;
History
Science in a broad sense existed before the modern era and in many historical civilizations.[nb 4] Modern science is distinct in its approach and successful in its results, so it now defines what science is in the strictest sense of the term.[15]
To you (an SJW of sorts as I see it), it’s ever so important apparently that the Christian intellectuals who initiated what we now call science, were influenced by these or those persons of other cultures/belief systems or whatever, but to me it’s just the way intelligent/open-minded people operate . . I was responding to what some had said about “the same bunch”, and I figured they prolly were never taught what that “bunch” were up to . .
Everything else they preach is utter bollocks
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Eleventh Commandment – Thou shalt not emit CO2
11th Commandment–You do, too, know what I mean!
Jimmy, we cannot claim Church teaching to be “bollocks” simply because it begins with the concept of belief, as all religion does. It isn’t subject to scientific judgment, not the theological and moral positions. They never will be. Science and theology do not operate on the same plain.
Where the Vatican is bollocks is its taking “consensus” in the science community as fact. The “consensus” scientists violate their own scientific principles. They do this because they have placed their own emotion-based “feelings” above all else in grounding their judgments.
This does not mean we should ignore efforts to clean the environment, conserve our natural resources, and find alternative sources of energy. Placing blame on the human population for climate change is rash. Certainly we cannot explain the ice ages of the past as being human-caused, nor the warming that once enabled England and Scotland to produce grapes and wine and export these–almost a thousand years ago.
Not true. The scientists at Reasons to Believe (reasons.org) have developed a Testable Model for Creation
“More than a Theory” by Dr. Hugh Ross.
His model, if it warrant that term, is easily shown false:
http://biologos.org/blogs/dennis-venema-letters-to-the-duchess/an-evangelical-geneticists-critique-of-reasons-to-believes-testable-creation-model-pt-1
Besides being absurd on its face. There is no more reason to imagine that modern humans were specially created 50,000 years ago than 6000.
Chimp wrote “There is no more reason to imagine that modern humans were specially created 50,000 years ago than 6000.”
Agreed. I doubt that it matters. More important to me is when *I* was specially created. ’bout time to renew that driver’s license.
Actually you would think that after the Catholic Church embraced the evils of Marxism in south America they would think twice about climate Marxism.
Since it took American trained and supported murder/torture squads to protect the dictators by dealing with priests (and those pesky peasants) we may need the same again.
The Church never embraced Marx… you fool. Read some history idiot.
Jon,
It was persecuted Catholic peasants and Mosquito Indians who revolted against the Russian-backed Communist Sandinistas and their Marxist priest fellow travelers and enablers. The then Pope told them to quit being secular mass murderers, but they didn’t obey him.
There has been bad Popes before, but God has always pulled the Church through. It is just a test for us all to stay faithful to God’s teachings.
Is your doctrine based on faith or on facts and reason?
No blood sacrifice: Psalm 40:6, Jeremiah 7:11. Paul’s contradiction: Acts 9, 22, 26.
According to St Malachy time is about up for the Church.
http://www.irishcentral.com/roots/history/st-malachy-predicted-pope-benedicts-successor-will-be-last-pope-190715001-237789421
It’s based on all three.
Amen.
Yes his Papacy is a test, I believe Pope Francis, a typical Liberal Jesuit, (who was Un-cannonically elected on the 13th day, not the minimum 15 days – per StJPII) is a test of our faith and our orthodoxy – How well do we follow Jesus? The wheat and the chaff must be separated so that the chaff can be tossed into the unquenchable fire. This is the very reason for the extreme polarization we currently see on every subject in the world. But . . . Francis is not Petrus Romanus, Re-read the prophecy UglyTruth: the final entry is really of two popes. Petrus Romanus, the last Pope, is a good pope who FEEDS his sheep, not one who tries to divide and scatter them. The final pope with come after the three beasts of Daniel 7 (1.Lioness, 3.Leopard and 2.Bear) are destroyed (also known as the 2 Whore’s of Mystery Babylon 3_ _ _ + 1_ _ who are defeated by the Scarlet Beast 2 _ _) and the final pope will come from the East; _ _ _ _ _ _ _ – per Fatima, he will have one foot in the Orthodox church and the other in the Catholic. He must bring the two churches back together before Christ’s return at the next feast of Trumpets. There can only be one Church, the “153” Church, the Remnant Catholic Church, (all others will follow the False Prophet) when Jesus returns on the shore at sunrise – Jn21. Our final pope will have a difficult job, but if I have correctly figured out who he is, I can say he is uniquely gifted and will accomplish his task with our prayers and with many gifts of Grace from Heaven.
I think the tip off here is twofold. First, when you look back 100 years from any time period, scientist are certain about a lot of things that later turn out to be wrong. Second, isn’t there some quatrain from Nostradamus that a pope Ignoramous 1 would showup about the time a madwoman who was totally unable to speak the truth about anything just missed becoming President of the U S A because of all the fake news her campaign put out? OK so I’m making this up. Sometimes the crazy things you make up turn out to be true!
Well, the Golden Rule is pretty good.
And I loved the bit about killing family members who accept the status quo of brainwashing.
No. Remember John Paul 2. He’s the pope I focus on.
JPII was just as bad, but he delivered the ‘new age’ a bit more subtly. If you haven’t read it, I suggest the book titled, “Peter, Lovest Thou Me?” by Abbe’ Daneil Le Roux. The subtitle is: John Paul II: Pope of Tradition or Pope of Revolution?
(Instauratio Press, 1989) You may be able to find an online pdf. If not, copies are often available from online used book sellers.
As a Catholic, I am embarrassed by this Marxist, leftwing, New Age Pope. If according to the Bible,God created the Earth and he created man and woman.How is it that man, a mere mortal, created by the Lord is powerful to destroy his other creation – Earth? That would make man more powerful than God the Creator!?!
God is my Weather Man, always has been, always will be.
The climate has been changing since God created the universe, but the man-made climate change notion is a total hoax. Man did not make and cannot do anything more than alter for the shortest of short terms, seasonal changes. A SEASONAL CHANGE IS NOT MAN-MADE CLIMATE CHANGE
The Pope is in better position to serve humanity, and parishioners world-wide, by addressing and solving his (1) Pedophile priest problem; and, (2) Money-laundering activities at the Bank of the Vatican.
“Global Warming and/or Climate Change” is a political issue of some substance. The Roman Catholic Church in the United States of America signed a solemn contract/pledge/vow to avoid politics in return for tax free status: The issue is IRS code reference 501-c-3. Hundreds of millions of dollars annually is invalid and we, citizens of the USA, grant religious organizations this tax-free money in return for their promise NOT to involve themselves in politics. The Pope and the Roman Catholic Church is in constant violation of this 501-c-3 pledge.
An argument from Church may be along this line: We report to a higher authority than a contract with the USA. OK, “Fine, We agree with you. You report to God, you say. Pay the taxes. Give unto God that which is God’s and to Government that which is his,” or words to that effect.
I am embarrassed to know my church intentionally violates a written contract with my country. What about you?
Tom Coyne
So this (global warming NON-SENSE) is what the “smoke of Satan” looks like.
the Child Molestation cover up by the Catholic Church is the reason why I stopped going to Mass, then this Socialist Pope confirmed I had made the correct decision.
In 1898, Carl Jung predicted what would become of the Church. After reading this article, I am convinced that Dr. Jung understood what would take place as the Christian myth begins to fade.
What “myth”?
Agree. What a bunch of BS. They need to pay more attention to the perverts in their churches and keep their nose out of politics. Wonder how much they’re getting paid to stick their nose into this.
Talk about paganism intermixing with Christianity.
Beware false prophets.
http://www.catholicworldreport.com/Item/5125/Fake_Catholic_Groups_and_the_Catholic_Spring_Emails.aspx
When it comes to climate change say NOPE to the pope. (just say NOPE)…
The Catholic Church, and the Pope are a joke. They could and should be doing so much more for the poor. Give up the gold rings, the pope mobiles, the ocean front property. Stop protecting the pedophiles. Stay out of politics.
What can anyone expect from the communist Pope from Argentina. Yes, he is part of the globalist elite communists trying to redistribute wealth from our pockets to the pockets of the U.N. mafia.
“Don’t be one of those people. Despite the recent leftward tilt in the papacy, the Catholic Church has been at the forefront of charity throughout the world for centuries. ”
They have but they are also becoming the evil they are supposed to be fighting. Hoarding valuables/gold behind their walls……. which is against their own teachings, against God. They would get a better response from people if they actually acted Godly and gave away all their wealth. There are plenty of collectors who would take good care and appreciate some of what they’ve got hiding in the basement.
And for every time they are preaching global warming issues, they are not preaching the Gospel, which is the whole point of it, right?
There were reasons why the Reformation occurred. One of these was the Catholic Church indulging in political manipulation. I would have thought that the institution would have had enough centuries to have learned the lesson of sticking to spreading the Gospel, rather than becoming partisans in partisan politics.
Well, maybe the Vatican has improved a little in that regard. At the time of the Reformation, the Papal States were actually waging war along with their neighboring states and invaders like France, Spain and the Empire. Also the Ottomans, allied with the French against the Empire.
There is nothing in the Bible about Global Warming. Be not concerned with the things of the Earth. It’s the Devil’s domain, but the Pope should know that, so who is he working for?
A religious body that claims to speak for God, and yet ignores strikingly plain evidence that what their socialist leader demands that they endorse is a lie, essentially tosses away any relevance that body claims. In other words, the Catholic leadership is packed with phonies who have their heads up their collective arses.
They been selling pardons for sins for years so now they want to get their hands on the honey pot of global warming garbage
bet my comment never sees the light of day
Hal Slusher “bet my comment never sees the light of day”
Alas, it did.
Child molestation and Global Warming degrees, handed out by the Pope.
This article is from catholic.org—-just some website.Not official in any way representing the catholic church. So don’t jump all over the church for an article posted by a left wing website that calls itself catholic.
I’m catholic and 99% of the catholics I know know that global warming(manmade) is BS and a cult.Unfortunately we don’t have one of our brighter popes at the moment. But remember that he only speaks with authority on matters of catholic church doctrine.His global warming opinions are just that–opinions.And dumb opinions at that.
Lord Monckton is a devout catholic.
its to cold to talk about global warming and mr pope get the hell out of politics and obama has brainwashed him
Lord Monckton is the leader in the fight against the ‘climate change’ cult.He catholic.
You people who use anything associated in any thin way to Catholicism that is bad in order to bash the church are as intellectually dishonest as the global warming mob.
Notice to the Vatican:
The People of faith are fully aware of your history and the acts you have done to cause great suffering on earth and upon God’s chosen people.
Now we have a decree of sorts to preach another false gospel called Global Warming which, by messages such as this one where you are instructing others to preach this nonsense, you have further exposed yourselves as the criminal and immoral enterprise you operate as.
All one has to do is go observe any Space television show with regards to the sun in our solar system which as it ages, it gets larger and thus, any object with mass, such as earth, will also get warmer. We also know that sunspot activity also controls the solar heat/radiation hitting earth. HOW DARE YOU SPEAK MORE EVIL AND LIES?
Get behind me Lucifer for you do not represent what is divine and holy for you have went against God and are among the fallen. Your time is near for the great revealing is starting to enter into the hearts of people and you will be foreclosed for your sins are an abomination of everything sacred and holy.
You will be exposed for the world to see.
Nothing can stop what is about to happen.
I am just a messenger…
🙂
The Bishop of Rome is mistaken again, proving he is not infallible.
Since the Catholic Church no longer preaches Christ I supposed they have to preach something.
OK there Jimmy I’m sure your preaching sucks too…..
Clarification = ONLY the Roman Catholic Church is owned by the Globalists & promoting GW…. Coptic & Orthodox Catholics follow ONLY God’s word… not Soro’s.
Oh,
shut up!
Well they are professional liars, so why wouldn’t they cash in of the climate fraud aswell? thre’s big money there for all the people not preoccupied with morality or truth!
This pope is senile as hell. His brain disease is allowing his inner perversions to rise to the surface. Time to put the old buzzard into a safe, dark place with no windows.
THEY BETTER START TEACHING ABOUT THE HOT FIRES OF HELL AND NOT THESE TROPICAL BREEZES OF EARTH!
It really is sad when bigots post to this site.
The Library of Alexandria was torched by Pope Theodosius in 491 (?) so Catholicism could control the Narrative and set back man’s knowledge for millennia. The UN’s Agenda 21 which this Pope apparently supports, by using the wheelchair guy ( Homer’s words ), who is now a useful idiot in an ideological circle jerk.
POPE….” I AM THE LORD THY GOD THOU SHALL NOT HAVE GREEN GODS BEFORE ME.”
From paedophilia to pseudoscience? Well it’s probably at least a move in the right direction.
Like it does not happen in your secular surroundings 0. You show zero intelligence cephus.
Alex
No one has said that it’s not occurring in the secular world. The problem is with the Catholic movement it’s occurring in the spiritual world and that is a problem for any church.
But you have sparked a good question. Which is better? Ignore the secularism of the Catholic Church, and all churches for that matter, or separate secularism from all the churches and start spreading the gospel message like Christ has instructed?
Then there is the obvious question, Make the church as secular as the rest of the world and allow secularism to permeate and replace all spiritual thoughts? You can’t have it both ways can you?
Here your complaint is that because it occurs in the secular world it should be condoned in churches who are admonished by God to turn away from the secular world and embrace him in the spiritual realm.
Freeland_Dave, to focus exclusively on sins committed by Catholic priests while at the same time ignoring the fact that the Church did nothing different than any secular organization did is unconscionable. Child molestation was never part of law enforcement, it was an issue taken care of by your dad with a shotgun so the perp would leave town.
It wasn’t until around 1980 that it came into the criminal justice system. The local case I’m aware of was accusations at a daycare center in a small town, which were eventually determined to be bogus; a therapist was planting false memories in small children’s minds.
There are pedophiles in every religion and in every profession; they can take years to groom a child and do so. The president of my state bar association was a well-respected attorney until caught on tape making arrangements to meet a 15-year old neighbor boy for sex.
A private school teacher was known to molest children and nothing was done about it. He went to work for the police department and the park police. He was only prosecuted two years ago. All of his behavior was known at the time and the principal of his school took no action. That’s more common in public schools, where it’s called “passing the trash” when they move a teacher to another school or district without disclosing why.
Mom told a story about a colleague whose daughter’s school had a pedophile teacher. The children were warned by friends and older siblings to stay across his desk from him and not let him near. A new child moved to the district and had no idea. She told her friends at a slumber party. The friend told her mom (mom’s colleague) and the teacher was finally caught.
I went to a restaurant at the mall with a friend and the high school age hostess seemed upset so nosy old bat that I am, I asked why. There was an old guy (60-ish) wanting to take her picture. He was insistent although she had said no. I asked if she’d told the manager and she hadn’t so I told her she has the right to feel safe at work and needed to tell the manager. When I left I asked if she had done so and the manager told him he couldn’t do things like that and threw him out. He said he’d go to the next restaurant, which would want his money, not realizing they were owned by the same corporation and shared a kitchen
Oh, and Jimmy Savile? On the prowl for years and nobody cared. What about Sandusky? Neither of these men was a Catholic priest and both were in positions of power. Sandusky even adopted a child who he molested.
Nan,
Child rape has been in the secular English Common Law since at least AD 1275, when the age of consent was 12. It rose in England and other Western countries over the centuries.
https://chnm.gmu.edu/cyh/case-studies/230
Oregon came in for a lot of ridicule when, back in the early ’70s, it raised the age of consent from 16 to 18. Now many states have followed suit. Canada was recently shamed by Bill O’Reilly into raising its age from 14 to 16.
There were many convictions for child sexual abuse before the 1980s.
The crime wasn’t the occurrences, the crime was the coverups.
PS:
In some Roman Catholic countries, the age of consent is puberty (Bolivia) or 13 (Peru), IIRC. In Brazil, it’s now nominally 14, regardless of sex or sexual orientation. However, there is a judicial precedent holding that a close-in-age exception allows those aged 12 and 13 to engage in sexual activity with partners who are five years older or less. This holding is legally binding, but not constitutionally formalized. So in Brazil, a 17 year-old can’t statutorily rape a 12 year-old, or a 12 year-old a seven year-old. Force would be required for the crime to constitute rape.
Roger,
Both abuse and coverup were crimes, but other organizations beside the RC Church also covered up for child rapists. I grant however that a religion should be held to a higher standard.
Meant besides, of course. Have trouble hitting the s key with cold fingers. Headed lower, into low single digits, next week.
Correction: The crime wasn’t just the occurrences, which were committed by individuals, but the coverups, which were organizational.
Roger,
Suspected that’s what you meant.
That’s the globalists for you.
From paedophilia to pseudoscience
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either way, they are still trying to screw us
Interesting, isn’t it, how the Church critics and the media have given virtually no attention to paedophilia existing in other religious groups. Granted the Catholic Church is by far the largest Christian denomination. And therein lies the reason why critics are after the Church: take down the largest denomination and the rest will fall easily. Another name for all this is contemporary liberalism–which is about as liberal as Lenin and Stalin were in “freeing” the Russians from czarist rule, never mind that millions were “freed” in the killing that followed.
There was sexual activity in my Boy Scout troop in the 1950’s.
Both the communists and the demoncrats are trying to destroy Christianity of which the Catholic Church is a large part. Reference AA-1025 and the fake ‘Catholic’ organizations set up by John Podesta et. al.
http://www.catholicworldreport.com/Item/5125/Fake_Catholic_Groups_and_the_Catholic_Spring_Emails.aspx
Its catholic bashing. These pedophiles came in from the outside to infect the church while serving satan.All churches are vulnerable. Its awful for the 99% of good priests to have to deal with this horrible situation.-But churches have been attacked since day one.
satan is horrible and got a few of his devotees into fairly high positions where they could be blackmailed by other devotees. That’s how this works.Same with Podesta etc.
Good news is that at least in the USA much of this has been cleaned up.
satan will attack any church…but especially the catholic church because it has the most influence.
This global warming nonsense is just another tool of the father of lies.
The paedophilia story is bigger than most people know.
Don’t forget Marc Dutroux in Belgium. Horrible, horrible horrible case —-and very little was done. Why? Because the politicians, judges, lawyers, and police were all involved. There should still be info available online about Dutroux. Oh, also, the Madeline McCann case —is still ongoing —it has been somewhat resurrected because of PizzaGate. I just watched a one hour interview on the SGTReport (you tube channel) titled: The Darkest Secrets Revealed – Ole Dammegard & Carine Hutsebaut. I recommend it and others similar to it.
Good vs Evil, a difficult battle as evil has no bounds.
It is simple as that.
The one undeniable story is ACORN and how it was brought down.
https://youtu.be/LtTnizEnC1U
https://youtu.be/7NmaZIdz6Vo
lol cephus0. yup.
The merging of two religions! Both relying on faith not evidence and damnation of nonbelievers.
Excellent succinct analysis.
I suggest “Believe or be Chastised” for their motto..
“Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the EVIDENCE of things not seen.” -Hebrews 11:1; NKJV
My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge…
Hosea 4:6
knowledge of God 2 Book of Tim Ch 2 v 3 soldiers of Christ do not get envoled in world affairs
Well spoke
This pope is not on the right side. He is leading many away from the Catholic church. Many believe he is an antipope. The prophesy of the popes is proving accurate. This is the 112th pope from that prophesy and it says he will not be of God, but instead of the great deceiver.
112th pope from that prophesy
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophecy_of_the_Popes
interesting. third secret of Fatima (alleged) tells a similar story.
yes he is not spiritual he is worldly Tim ch 2 v 3
Heavens, reading from Wiki :
” Given the very accurate description of popes up to around 1590 and lack of accuracy for the popes that follow, historians generally conclude that the alleged prophecies are a fabrication.”
Has this site suddenly switched to fostering spiritual beliefs or concocted tales. Maybe the warmists are right; just adopt the post normal science and run with what you believe is right (Mann).
Ljh writes “damnation of nonbelievers.”
Whereas you damn the damners of nonbelievers. It has a nice symmetry to it.
So G_d imbued Man with sin by making him out of the devil’s CO2 molecule ?
That’s Catholicism’s bottom line ?
I think his designer gowns went to his head…..
See? Envirowackism is religion not science.
Let me get this straight – Fake News will be disseminated from the Catholic pulpits?
Did I miss the report that the Catholic Church was now part of the UN’s IPCC? Are they now writing the Summary from THE Policy Maker?
Yes, quite sadly this pope is aligned with the corrupt and criminal global ruling elites. Very sad.
Check you history books, the Roman Catholic Church has ALWAYS aligned with the corrupt and criminal global ruling elites. B-A-U, not news.
Just look what is happening in China. http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/news/2016/11/28/vatican-deal-with-china-would-betray-christ-says-cardinal/
There’s a reason that Rome is called Babylon in the Bible. 1Peter 5:13
The so called modern Catholic Church was taken over from within in the early 1960’s with Vatican II. Since then, true Catholics do not go to this current Church. You are witnessing the morphing of religions into a One World Religion where we will all (except a few chosen ones) be slaves.
Well said
Are you or were you ever a “True Catholic”?
If not cast your aspersions towards the mirror.
We have stayed closer to orthodoxy than any other
I agree John. True Catholics do not go to the current church. In fact, I believe donating money to today’s catholic church is financing our own destruction. And yes, I once was a true Catholic.
A strong case that “Francis” is not actually the pope: http://www.barnhardt.biz/2016/11/17/black-guelphs-matterpart1/
All Christians believe that Jesus Christ was born, lived, and died as a sacrifice for our sins and that, on the third day, he arose from the dead thereby giving us all hope of everlasting life. Beyond that its just a matter of finding the place in which you are most comfortable for your worship. Only a fool would castigate someone else for choosing a different building and a different congregation.
Sentient, I too don’t believe that Bergoglio is the Pope, but not for the reason that Ann Barnhardt does. I am a Sedevacantist and believe that all the Popes since 1958 are not true Popes. I am fortunate to have Masses said by CMRI priests near my area. They are great. Here is a Sedevacantist view of why Ann Barnhardt is right that Bergoglio is not the Pope, but wrong in that she somehow thinks another anti-Pope, Benedict XVI is really still Pope.
http://novusordowatch.org/2016/06/ann-barnhardt-dumps-francis/
The rise of Faith-based Science continues.
The Church was infiltrated a few centuries back…starting in 1515 with Pope Leo X (one of the Medici’s) who got in bed with the money lenders and decided usury wasn’t so sinful after all.
I’m against FAKE NEWS as much as you are. But this article is in a sense FAKE NEWS because it is represented in DRUDGE REPORT as an authoritative source. CATHOLIC.ORG is not an authoritative source for the catholic church.There are thousands of supposed catrholic authoritative sties out there that have no authority at all.
I love drudge–but he cant be posting crap like this.
The RC Church won’t learn – last time they tried to cuddle up to the left, it resulted in “liberation theology” which was a disaster from any viewpoint. (not a surprise that the current Pope was always partial to that view) Dear RC Church fathers, you just don’t “get” the reality that, no matter how hard you work to make the left like you, by sucking up to one of their pet projects, they’re STILL going to hate the church because of your stands on abortion and gay marriage. You won’t win anything that way, you’ll just disgrace yourselves further by showing how desperate for political approval you are.
And of course this just begs for an observation about the absurdity of a so-called “scientific theory” that is so desperately trying to get itself instated as Religious Dogma.
Why is the Catholic Church not interested in real science? Mother GAIA regulates herself quite well and is happy with more CO2 so the water vapor – cloud – rain negative feedback will delay our inevitable return to the normal state – Ice age and too little CO2 to sustain abundant life.
Because real science does not lead to global socialism, a goal the Pope and Islam share.
Because they’re more interested in money. No doubt they’re getting paid/rewarded greatly for spreading the bs. That’s what they’ve become, that’s why I left the most corrupt church on the planet.
lenbilen says “Why is the Catholic Church not interested in real science?”
For a similiar reason it is not engaged in the manufacture of automobiles. Render unto science that which is scientific; something along that line.
Michael 2 — That is an inapposite comparison. If believers in Jesus are to follow what Scr1p ture teaches, if they engage in vehicle production, they are to be the best vehicle manufacturers they can be. That goes for ANY endeavor, including science.
And they MAY be vehicle manufacturers (and scientists). Only if “caesar” nationalizes the auto industry would the they have to hand over their factories and “render” up. Further, what, precisely, is “caesar’s” is not clear from Jesus’ words to Peter beyond the taxes referred to in that verse.
Finally, your remark is beside the point. This is a matter of basic honesty. The RC leadership are LYING. They know they are pushing pseudo-science.
Janice
“Finally, your remark is beside the point. This is a matter of basic honesty. The RC leadership are LYING. They know they are pushing pseudo-science.”
Yea that pope is telling people all those lies. How dare he endorse the stance taken by every single nationally representative scientific body on the planet? I mean take the Royal societies position. All made up obviously…
https://royalsociety.org/~/media/Royal_Society_Content/policy/projects/climate-evidence-causes/climate-change-evidence-causes.pdf
Simon,
Yes, it is made-up rent-seeking.
If you imagine that there really exists evidence for catastrophic anthropogenic climate alarmism (CACA), then by all means please trot it out. Linking to evidence-free organizational statements isn’t convincing.
Appeal to authority is anti-scientific. To quote Feynman yet again, “Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts”. So-called experts.
Chimp
Did you read the ink? If so, what part did you not get?
Gee, I thought Jesus was all about the individual’s soul and spiritual life, not politics ….Rome has lost the Way.
Yes, James Himes. Funny that. I am familiar with the new testament – I never thought Jesus was much worried about the weather.
Gee, that sound like something Luther, Zwingli, and Calvin may have said.
I wonder how often an established religion embraces a new religion this way.
It is not a new religion. It is a natural spiritual outgrowth rooted in the same spirit.
A spirit of Gaianism, IMO.
I thought in the 70’s we were in the throws of the coming of an ice age. The 80’s it was acid rain. Then the ozone layer, then the polar vortex…. It’s amazing the earth has not cracked in half like a giant chicken egg.
appleblossompoultry writes: we were in the throws of the coming of an ice age.
Throes. http://www.dictionary.com/browse/throes
Some were, some weren’t. Vietnam seemed like a bigger worry to me.
So the Vatican’s Academy of Sciences maintains its brilliant record of never being right on anything … after all, look at the luminaries that serve, like Joachim Schellnhuber, an atheist and advocate of population control, which reconciles nicely with the Catholic Articles of Faith …
Actually it was the same Catholic Church that had a priest come up with the Big Bang theory. Know facts.
The facts are that the Catholic Church has wholeheartedly embraced socialism, science is dead to them. As are the teachings of their own past scholars.
They’ve likely done it because socialism sells in the third world, which is where their growth is coming from. (Notice how many new third-world cardinals have been appointed recently, expanding the total number greatly. That will seal the church’s pro-socialism position forever.)
Martin Luther where are you!
Hopefully on his way to Mecca and Medina.
By way of Tel Aviv.
As the letter of Jude predicted, he followed the rebellion of Korah in Numbers 16 and was a blemish on our love feasts. He is where one would expect.
In hell
You would think that the Catholic church would have learned it’s lesson about that whole Galileo persecution. Some things never change. And, when in human history has there never been disagreement and dissent among scientists?
Leslie Smith writes: “You would think that the Catholic church would have learned it’s lesson about that whole Galileo persecution.”
What lesson might that be? Anyway, people learn, churches do not.
“Some things never change.”
Like this stampede of Catholic bashing under any article with “Catholic” anywhere in it. I’m not Catholic, but I do not see the purpose in all this left-wing mob behavior.
Don’t they. Believe in God anymore the world changes every day since it was created
In a related story…. I don’t go to church any more.
What if there were a God. What if His interpretation of the first commandment included, “you shall not put Gaia before Me”. What if His way of showing “I’m in charge here” was to cause low hurricane activity?
I do not understand “what if” questions. If you want to tell a story, just say so. I suppose you want someone else to tell you a story.
This Pope is a disgrace. The Catholic Church is crumbling . Rot from within.
Soon to be a thing of the past
Children just won’t know what Catholicism is…
This is the vacuum that Islam is filling in Europe. The fall of Catholicism; just as Islam fills the political vacuum that is the United States.
It is certainly dying out in Old Europe, which is one reason why the Pope is embracing such garbage, since it plays well among today’s rich Western pagans and poor Third World animists.
This pope is certainly…different. Really makes you wonder about the prophecy of the popes and if Francis is the last one.
It’s not just Catholicism, it’s Christianity in general. Many of my Christian friends now call what they get at church ‘Churchianity’, because it’s just become standard ‘social justice’ claptrap that bears little to no resemblance to what’s in the Bible.
My guess is that we’re going to see a collapse of most of the mainstream churches, to be replaced by something that actually has some religion in it.
If global warming were true, then the UN IPCC researchers at the University of East Anglia would not have had to falsify climate data in what became the Climategate Scandal! “Global warming” is fake news!
Global warming, as measured in a certain way, *is* true, at times and places. Whether it is terrifying is up to you to decide. If you want to challenge IPCC and UEA, then you must produce your superior data.
Or just remind people that the IPCC’s initial expectation of 20 feet of sea rise over the 21st century was quietly corrected to 4″. An Inconvenient Truth was never edited to remove the prophesy of Florida being inundated by the sea.
…and as soon as I start hearing it preached from the pulpit I’ll stop attending mass.
Well, if he wants to help, I suggest his Popeness release ALL funds, jewels, art, stocks, bonds, real estate, gold, silver, etc. to be used by the masses to relieve their global warming pain. I could use $50 to buy some gas for my generator, it’s cold as hell here today in Michigan.
Not to mention the lake effect, just got my driveway done, and it’s now it’s time to get my driveway done, and when I finish that I think I’ll start on the driveway
LOL!
Lol, well said
Never going to happen. The Rothschilds won’t allow it.
They need to preach the “global warming” that God’s word really teaches! The one about the earth and all its works being burned up with fervent heat at the end of the age!
Thank you for the truth. What a waste of time and money. I look forward to a new earth.
It took them 400 years to admit that they were wrong about Galileo. I wonder how long it will be before they admit their newest error?
Our so-called ‘learned society’ the Royal Society has said that it will take 50 years of expanding ice sheets, brutal cold, population reduction before it will consider that global warming isn’t happening. It might even be warming up again by then but al least all the current charlatans there will be under the earth.
Dr. Robert Sungenis thinks Galileo was correct. He has some interesting things to say about geocentrism.
WikiLeaks: Podesta and Left-Wing Activist Plot ‘Catholic Spring’ – http://www.lifezette.com/polizette/wikileaks-podesta-left-wing-activist-plot-catholic-spring/
Wikileaks: Podesta’s Phony ‘Catholic’ Group Pushed Church Support for Iran Nuclear Deal – http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/10/18/wikileaks-podestas-phony-catholic-group-pushed-church-support-iran-deal/
Sadly, this is one Progressive program that actually worked!
Podesta email: We’ve conspired to ‘produce an unaware and compliant citizenry.’
http://conservativefiringline.com/bombshell-podesta-email-weve-conspired-produce-unaware-compliant-citizenry/
VIDEO: AU students prefer Castro over Trump http://www.campusreform.org/?ID=8455
+1!
Maybe those Castro-loving students will want to do 6-month apprenticeship in Cuba and get their eyes opened!
The last time the catholic church tried to become political, it didn’t end well. I think it was the jesuits were the ones in charge at that time, too.
This pope is pushing me further away from my religion. I suggest he and the church stick to the practice of religion and avoid/shun political or scientific issues.
This pope isn’t professing the Catholic faith. Is he, therefore, a Catholic? Or is he an imposter placed in Rome to further the globalist agenda?
Condoms!!!
Oh yeah…heaven forbid the Pope tells the steaming masses ..to quit breeding so many peol detriment to the planet.Also Im starting to believe more and more in abortion….TOO MANY PEOPLE is unsustainable.
Too many people trapped in “urban prisons” by their own learned social ideology and work ethic. – “The Sustained”
When “The Sustained” outnumber “The Sustainers”, the economy eventually erodes into the unbridled printing of currency to keep up. Oh, wait…
Wow, well put!
Have you made your exit plan then? I mean, will you lead by example?
And this is the same “Scientific Mission” which threatened to excommunicate and do who know what else to Galileo because he proposed that the earth was NOT the center of the universe. I also believe Vatican scientists opposed the premise that the earth was round and not flat!
400 years later the church still has the blood of Giordano Bruno on its hands.
No, the official Church cosmology was Ptolemaic, ie a series of nested spheres.
A flat earth was maintained by Early Church Fathers, because that’s what’s in the Bible, but from Augustine onward (c. AD 400), the Church made peace with pagan science, in order not to turn off educated converts. Read his “The Literal Meaning of Genesis”.
No milodon, the flat earth is not in the Scriptures — unless you skillfully read it into some texts and ignore others.
The Greeks had frisbees and drum-shaped earths and geocentric arrangements of the heavens. Augustine was the scholar who shoehorned the Roman Church doctrine to the Greek teachings. And that is where it stayed.
Oh how they miss Aristotle.
But even Augustine deserves some credit for not making up certainties where they are not merited, esp. in Astronomy.
Galileo said when defending himself against the scholastics,
Zeke,
The whole Bible, both Testaments, is a flat earth document, from start to finish. Reading 1 Enoch leaves no doubt, but, as noted, Enoch, despite its popularity in Jesus’ time and with his sect, was kept out of the Masoretic Text as presaging the Ascension of Christ, and out of most Christian canons for being too obviously at odds with pagan science.
https://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/febible.htm
First, consider the OT. The essential flatness of the earth’s surface is required by verses like Daniel 4:10-11. There the king “saw a tree of great height at the center of the earth…reaching with its top to the sky and visible to the earth’s farthest bounds.” If the earth were flat, a sufficiently tall tree would be visible to “the earth’s farthest bounds,” but this is impossible on a spherical earth.
Same goes for the NT. In describing the temptation of Jesus by Satan, Matthew 4:8 says, “Once again, the devil took him to a very high mountain, and showed him all the kingdoms of the world in their glory.” Obviously, this would be possible only if the earth were flat. The same is true of Revelation 1:7: “Behold, he is coming with the clouds! Every eye shall see him…”
Further proof of the biblical flat earth comes from its “corners.” For example, “After this, I saw four angels stationed at the four corners of the earth holding back the four winds…” (Revelation 7:1). Spherical apologists point out that the Greek “gonia” can refer to regions rather than points. Most translations of the Bible opt for “points”, eg. the King James version says “on the corners of the earth”, implying that the writer viewed the habitable earth as a four-cornered area.
This was indeed the way many early churchmen interpreted it, such as Cosmas Indicopleustes, as late as AD 547 (150 years after Augustine suggested that the Church should give up on a flat earth). The corners could, however, be those regions at the ends of the earth referred to in Jeremiah 51:16: “[H]e brings up the mist from the ends of the earth, he opens rifts for the rain and brings the wind out of his storehouses”. But an earth with ends is also plainly not spherical.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth#Early_Christian_Church
There is no modern astronomy or cosmology in the Bible, just as there is no geology, chemistry, meteorology, biology, physics or any other science. Nor does the Bible anywhere claim to offer a naturalistic picture of the world. Instead, it features talking serpents and donkeys, and cud-chewing rabbits. It’s a pre-scientific compilation of documents, which retarded the advance of science for 1000 years.
Playing fast and loose with the scriptures there Chimp.
The vision that the king of Babylon had of a massive tree that filled the earth (and earlier of an enormous statue) was symbolic. Spiritual visions are usually non-verbal and highly symbolic, and are expressing simply and visually what would take many volumes to say in language. Jesus used parables to talk about spiritual things. And you, if you dream at night, dream in images too.
You know that it was a dream, a picture, because Daniel himself gives the meaning of the tree whose height is to the heavens. “It is you O king.” It was a picture of the Babylonian Empire. But the holy watchers came and cut the tree down. Daniel interpreted this in chapter 4 as the king going mad for seven years.
Folks, this is not a text which proves the flat earth!
Some basic rules of scholarship.
If you are going to handle any ancient or even historical texts, you are going to have to try to understand when spiritual images are used, as in the symbolism of the vision; or when an idiom is being used. In some cases there may be some figure of speech which is no longer in use.
You have to remember, the king of Babylon’s empire was a world empire, and it was very hard to get away from its shadow.
Goodness. By these rules, if you use the term “sunrise” or “sunset” you are a geocentrist!
Chimp says, “After this, I saw four angels stationed at the four corners of the earth holding back the four winds…” (Revelation 7:1).” [Must be literal corners of a flat earth]
There’s a good college try. That is much more interesting.
John saw the vision. Let’s have fun and think of it as if he literally saw the earth beneath him, and he saw Angels preparing themselves and preparing the earth. They are “holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, on the sea, or on any tree. Then [he] saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God. And he cried with a loud voice”
First, if he was close enough, he certainly would see the ends of the earth. Do you like NASA live streaming of flyovers? They are beautiful. But not far enough distant to see the earth’s entire sphere. None of us would accuse NASA of presenting a flat earth, would we? Well maybe some would. After all, it is youtube.
Syllogisms and philology are fun, and interesting; but they are failing you here. That text is not a flat earth text either. And the Greek word can mean an angle or a quarter. Besides this, the root word is unknown. So it is not a matter of astronomical certainty.
Do you know what Christians believe milodon? We believe that there will come a time when the earth reels to and fro like a drunkard.
The earth is violently broken,
The earth is split open,
The earth is shaken exceedingly.
The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard,
And shall totter like a hut;
Its transgression shall be heavy upon it,
And it will fall, and not rise again.
Now that is so sad. But drunkards are three dimensional. 😀
Zeke,
To anyone who has studied Greek, the origin of the word is not unknown. It’s obviously derived from “gonu”, “knee”, and clearly cognate with the English word. I first encountered it not in the NT, but in Homeric Greek from hundreds of years earlier. One of Achilles epithets is “well-greaved” (shin guards), which is “ἐυ-κνήμιδες” (eü-knḗmides), even more obviously cognate with “knee”. Shin and knee in Greek are similar, ie knay and gonu. So a corner of a room is where you kneel.
There are passages in the Bible which also can be read as an earth shaped like a disk rather than a rectangle, but still flat.
The tree in the dream in Daniel is not regarded as fantastic. That the same idea, ie being able to see the whole world from a high place on it, appears, as I showed, in the NT as well, outside of a dream context.
In the Bible, the anthropomorphic sun does literally rise, come out of his tent like a bridegroom, runs a race like a strong man, then returns to the place of his rising. His return has to take place outside the solid, domed vault of heaven covering the flat earth, held immobile in place by its pillars.
It’s those who try to read science into the Bible who violate the rules of scholarship. There isn’t any science in it. It’s pre-scientific from Genesis to Revelation.
Nor is it a valid exercise to try to show that there is science in the Bible. The whole point is to take its incredible stories, such as the Resurrection, on faith. If the Bible were factually credible, then what’s the value of faith?
As an Early Church Father wisely wrote, “I believe precisely because it is absurd.” And as Luther sagely said, “In order to be a Christian, one must tear the eyes out of his reason.”
God remains hidden for a purpose, although of course He used to walk and talk with people, then spoke only from storm clouds or burning bushes, before finally the rule became, “to see God is to perish”. The human concept of God changed over the centuries during which the books of the Bible were written. Yahweh started out as the chief god of a tribe, who like Apollo rode in a chariot across the sky, as shown by coins. And He enjoyed a good burnt or blood sacrifice, just like the pagan gods.
Now milodon,
I am very interested in the use of the mountain where the devil took Y’shua to tempt Him, as a proof for a geographical theory. He “showed Him all the kingdoms of the earth and said, ‘All these will I give you, and their glory, if you will but follow me.'”
Now I have always pictured “all of the kingdoms of the earth” as meaning all of the kingdoms of the earth. This includes not only the Empires of the ME like Greece and Rome, but also future kingdoms.
And a helpful way to study these ancient texts is to compare Scripture with Scripture. Lucifer appears in Isaiah, and this is why I come to this temptation in the wilderness with a different understanding than you do. Ol’ Scratch is a spiritual being. And he has a very big “thing” about being the highest, above all the angels, above the stars.
“How you are fallen from heaven,
O Lucifer, son of the morning!
How you are cut down to the ground,
You who weakened the nations!
13 For you have said in your heart:
‘I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God;
I will also sit on the mount of the congregation
On the farthest sides of the north;
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds,
I will be like the Most High.’
15 Yet you shall be brought down to Sheol,
To the lowest depths of the Pit.
16 “Those who see you will gaze at you,
And consider you, saying:
‘Is this the man who made the earth tremble,
Who shook kingdoms,
17 Who made the world as a wilderness
As you can see, he will wind up in the lowest little pit instead of the highest heaven.
So no flat earth there either. And incidentally, he may be able to make legitimate offers like that. For “the whole world lies under the sway of the wicked one.” A lot of people will take him up on that. I wouldn’t take any offers from Ol Scratch, or any geography lessons though. (:
Nice that you have an early date for HOmer…(:
PS: The cognate is even more obvious in French than in English or German: le genou.
I am not so sure you have much of a chance of convincing people that the earth is flat because of the four knees in Rev 7, where angels are standing opposite each other, in the four quarters of the sky.
This kind of rifling through texts to pilfer what you need for a particular proof is very very common. In fact Galileo said that is exactly what the scholastics were doing to him, in order to defend Aristotle and Ptolemy.
See quote here:
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/12/10/catholic-church-new-priests-will-be-expected-to-preach-global-warming/#comment-2367231
PPS:
It’s probably just an accident that the Greek word for knee, gonu, is so similar to that for woman, gune (goo-nay), as in gynecology. Greek u is written like a y but pronounced oo..
Zeke,
I don’t have to convince anyone. The Early Church Fathers were flat-earthers because there is no sphericity in the Bible. As noted, even in the 6th century, there were still Catholic intellectuals who insisted on a flat earth because the Bible clearly says so.
The map of Cosmas Indicopleustes from AD 547, for instance:
need anymore proof that the Catholic Church is run by Marxists..I quit supporting years ago..Catholic Charities are a money sucking discrace
Jesuits, Communist with Crosses.
Marranos with crosses.
We are now seeing the downfall of the Catholic church – instead of preaching the gospel, priests will promote the false narrative of global warming. That’s why so many of us have left that church – it truly is a cult.
That’s a real turn off to practicing Catholics in the US, and probably a dire warning to Third World Catholics who’d like too some more economic opportunities. Global warming is becoming the alter-ego to Liberation Theology
Don’t they preach that it all started with paradise where people could walk around naked all year around? Most have been a warm place.
No polar bears.
over a couple of days, naked humans cannot survive temperatures below 27C / 80F. we die of exposure. the earth is now 15C. it wasn’t God, it was climate change that kicked us out of Paradise. We need at least 12 C of global warming to return to the Garden of Eden.
The Pope is trying to prevent the very thing that would allow us to return to Paradise.
Here is a quote from a character named Boris Alotovkrap that appeared at Zero Hedge a few years ago. I have never forgotten it. It is quite befitting.
“In cave in rural France is painting circa 5000 BC, and is tell story. One day is rain much and lightening is loud and scary. Leader of cave community is explain danger of lightening and is predict end of world if citizenry is not work hard for stopping of lightening. Every citizenry of community must bring it portion of berries and meat for sacrificial god and make incantation. Leader of cave community is so very smart, is not help hunt and gather, but is must make strategy and “guide” community for self-preservation technique. One day, citizen is look up and see is still lightening, but is look around and is still alive. Other is still alive. Lightening is come and go, and community is survive. Citizen is make comment at cave meeting and next day is fall in tar pit.
Leader of cave community is explain danger of tar pit and is predict end of world if citizenry is not work hard for prevention of tar pit…”
No dinosaurs.
Yes there is, on the right side sticking his neck up.
That’s an ostrich.
Birds are dinosaurs.
Robertvd writes “Don’t they preach that it all started with paradise where people could walk around naked all year around?”
Yes, they don’t preach that. They preach it all started with “Let there be light”
Coming from the Church which imprisoned Galileo for having the gall to profess the Earth was not the center of the universe. It only took more than 300 years for the Church to admit that Galileo was right and to clear his name of heresy. Safe to say the Church doesn’t have a good track record with whatever the ruling power mandated science of the day is.
It was 300 years after the Church had gotten in league with the international banking families. Thus, the change of heart.
This is bullshit, they have no place preaching some global control agenda.
David Popowitch says “they have no place preaching some global control agenda”
Says you. When did it become your place to tell anyone else what is their place?
When did it become your place to tell anyone else what is their place?
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the same can be said for the Pope. When did it become the Pope’s place to tell anyone else what is their place? nowhere does the Bible mention carbon pollution as an evil.
As I recall, the message of Jesus was to let God into your heart, and thereby God will guide your actions. Why do I need the Pope to tell me what God wants if I can speak directly to God?
“Why do I need the Pope to tell me what God wants if I can speak directly to God?”
That’s just the heretical kind of thinking that created Lutherans. I mean, if you didn’t need priests, you wouldn’t need to pay the church tithes. Then the RC wouldn’t be filthy rich.
true
The last time the church got involved with science and said the universe revolved around the earth, they killed the disbelievers. Now they are again going to preach unproven and most probably fake science again. I’m losing my faith in the Catholic church.
That’s the whole point behind what the globalists are doing. They want a one world religion (or a dogma-less church), a one world government, a one world police state. What goes on in Rome isn’t Catholic. The church was overrun by atheists and luciferians decades and decades ago. Its ‘coming out’ party was Vatican II.
If a god exists and catholics control that god thru prayer then can they not pray away the warming?
Here’s a quick lesson in syllogistic reasoning. For the conclusion to be true, both premises must be true. Your second statement needs some work. (Hint: no religion claims to control God.)
Catholics do not control God. No human does.
According to this pope he does control God. Seem to remember something from biblical teachings about false prophets and such and here one is in the Vatican. Imagine that.
According to this pope he does control God.
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He certainly says he knows what God wants better than we do. Otherwise why not simply tell people to let God tell them what is right?
Or is his message on Climate Change from God, or some other source? If it is not the word of God, then what the heck is the Pope doing as the spokesman?
I pray for warming everyday…”God, I pray that it gets warmer because right now my fingers are numb’. …see, I just prayed. Let me check outside see if it worked…………..nope. Dang!
Sitting here with my Johnnie Heater hanging under the counter my computer sits on keeping finger thangs warm.
Ye of little faith. Go forth and burn some carbon and thou shalt be warmed.
Brian? Carbon is burning, it just don’t reach this corner of the house.
If I do some harm
By just keeping warm,
You’ll have to kindly forgive me.
I find my solution
Is carbon pollution,
Ere Gaia would quickly outlive me!
I didn’t use to believe in God. Then Trump got elected.
BooYaa.
all it takes if liberals stop breathing or breathing slower and they will cut carbon dioxide quickly
The Pope’s infallibility applies only to religious doctrine and must be ratified by the Bishops of the Church. There is much dissent within the Church with this Pope’s dipping into politics; and the writers claim that the dissenting scientists have been ‘bought’ by the Fossil Fuel Industry are just as outrageous as Al Gore’s dire predictions were years ago. Yes, Virginia, there is climate change. It happens every Spring, Summer, Winter and Fall! That all priests will bow to this lunacy is far from certain!
Well said Mel. My priest can’t stomach this pope. I really question his allegiance.
The Pope’s infallibility applies only to religious doctrine and must be ratified by the Bishops of the Church.
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why would the divine insight from God need ratification by men? Why do humans need an intermediary to talk to an all powerful God on their behalf? Can’t God talk to us directly? If God is against CO2, why not just call us up directly and explain the problem? It you can create a Universe and everything in it, it seems you should at least be able to dial a cell phone. If God doesn’t make the call, perhaps that is the message we are meant to receive?
When the Pope (a true pope that is) speaks either ex cathedra (from the Chair of Peter) and ‘defines’ and ‘decrees’ a teaching on faith and/or morals, then he does NOT need ‘ratification’ from anyone. Even when the Pope teaches as a part of the ordinary magisterium, on the faith and/or morals, he does NOT need approval from anyone. However, in my opinion, this man is a plant (as were several before him) and is not a Catholic, let alone a pope.
When the Christian faith was introduced to Northern Europe, they incorporated elements of the pagan religions already there in order to smooth the transition. Looks like the Pope is using the same technique to draw in members of the Church of Cagw.
Yes, people are contributing to global warming – the fact that there are more people on Earth than ever before means that people are contributing to global warming. So… is the Catholic Church going to promote birth control? The planet has been thru Ice Ages before and no doubt will go thru it again. Have the scientists in the Vatican have been listening to the same researchers have change advocates like DiCaprio who flies around on a private jet?
This Pope could say he was an atheist and it wouldn’t be surprising. He has supported LBGTQ and yet priests still can’t marry.
The Pope just compared reading fake news to coprophagia which is the eating of fecal matter. Now the church is disseminating fake news. Whatever is he trying to tell us?
That he’s the false Pope.
No further evidence required for me. I’ve heard enough.
The Pope is a an Argentine Communist and he has hooked his star to the now failing new world order / Socialists and as we see trump quickly start to take over the reins of power, the FAKE NEWS of Global Warming, which is making guys like Gore and Tom Steyer Zillionarires off the rubes, will see themselves regulated to the dust bin of history. Remember in the 70’s it was the constant drumbeat of…. GLOBAL KOOLING & the NEW ICE AGE.. OOPS.. it started to get slightly warmer as the earths normal process and wham… the Crazies start screaming GLOBAL WARMING / CLIMATE CHANGE… The hoax is over !!! FINALLY.
James,
Not to forget Elon Musk among the scamsters.
Think you mean relegated, but regulated works, too.
Why not just go back to the original message we got from the Nuns at
Catholic School — It is a sin to waste resources. — I have a relative who was a Nun
for years. She has the carbon footprint of a church mouse. The Pope should stay
out of Climate Science and focus on moral lifestyle. The Church should have learned their lesson
with Galileo.
Absolutely
Jim writes “The Church should have learned their lesson with Galileo.”
I wish I had a dollar for every mention of Galileo on this page. It isn’t about Galileo!
Yes, in point of fact it is about Galileo, it is about the Catholic Church spreading lies and suppressing facts, two things CC has ALWAYS been quite adept at.
So the Church is going to preach a deliberate LIE rather than the Gospel of Salvation… it has abandoned God (see 2 Cor. 4:4 and John 8:44).
Exactly. They cannot be that stupid (this academy of science thing, I mean). It is intentional. It is not a mistake. It is a lie. Goal (ultimately): money.
That is the lie.
… has asserted…
That is the truth.
Note, too, any of you devout Roman Catholics reading who are now wondering if the AGW conjecture is, after all, true:
“Has “concluded” is NOT PROVEN.
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I’m not a Catholic, but, as a believer in the same Lord and Savior, it makes me sick. Their leadership are just friends of the world, now. Indistinguishable. Thus, as an organization, the Roman Catholic Church does not de facto exist. They ARE the world.
James 4:4.
(It must be acknowledged here that there are many, many, genuinely devout Catholics who are highly competent, world-class, genuine, scientists and who are, likewise, appalled)
“They cannot be that stupid” … sorry Janice, they are that stupid
I disagree Mark. That is to excuse them. Only a relatively few people on earth are that intellectually impaired. They may be foolish in taking such a parishioner-alienating stand, but, they are quite saavy about just how flimsy the conjecture about human CO2 is. They are intentionally deceiving their flock.
“Has concluded” is a consensus. A consensus is a political fact, not a scientific fact.
Exit polls indicate 55% of Catholics voted for Trump, much better than the 54% who voted for Obama. This in spite of our misguided Pope and his commie advisors. Note that these idiotic policies are in no way church dogma. Remember that as the largest governmental organization in the world the bureaucrats will continually screw things up.
They cannot be that stupid..
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Janice, this has nothing to do with “stupid”
The Catholic church is gaining members in countries that get paid…
…and losing members in countries that pay
He’s playing to his audience.
Janice, as I commented earlier in this thread: I think this is a perfect example of a “fake news” story. I am certain that the actual findings of the Pontifical Academy of Sciences has absolutely no references to the “big oil” conspiracy or anything more “radical” than that mankind should pay attention to our impact on the earth by our deeds as we are charged to “protect creation”. If one looks at the address of the link Eric provided you can see readily that the original pontifical academy findings are passing through several green filters on their way to becoming this story. In peoples rush to show off their need to challenge authority, or erudition on the history of Christianity, or disdain for it all, they say stupid things that isolate themselves from natural allies like the very substantial conservative catholic movement. This battle, even with the encouraging news of some of Trumps appointees, is far from over. Allowing pet peeves to separate us is playing to the progressive game of dividing the public into ever diminishing groups requiring “special consideration” from an overreaching but “beneficent” government.
The goal is MUCH more than filthy lucre, Janice. It’s the carbon casino (Rothschild owned and run) and because you are a ‘carbon life form’ (as we were told by our predictive programming called television), most of humanity is to be taxed into oblivion because of its carbon ‘footprint’ and/or eliminated outright, and/or never allowed to be born. I’m sure you’ve heard of Agenda 21?
Have to agree with Mark here. If the leading lights of the regular academic institutions can be that stupid, why not the Papal Academy? One would think that in order to join such a strange outfit — institutionalized subservience of science to dogma — you have be on the not so skeptical arm of the normal distribution to begin with.
Michael, we have to stop thinking they are all doing this because they are stupid.
The pope is not being stupid…he’s being slimy
It’s his version of buying votes.
Telling people in the first world…where the church is losing members…they don’t have to pay…will not get him any more members.
Telling third world people…where the church is gaining members…that joining the church will get them something….’will’ get him members
Look where he’s been and what he’s said in the past….he’s playing to the third world..and has since day one
Specifically, you’re referring to the Catholic church. Definitely not the Church Paul teaches to in the New Testament.
If it is such a problem, shouldn’t we fix it by eliminating humans?
Just tell them if people aren’t working they can’t put money in to the collection basket every week. That will change their tune in a hurry.
Fake News will be disseminated from the Catholic pulpits?
WHY THE CATHOLIC CHURCH STAND ON CLIMATE CHANGE IS A BUNCH OF BS!
Consider this fact regarding the Vatican’s Climate Change Summit that was used as bases for the Pope’s encyclical on global warming. Opponents, skeptical scientist, regarding climate change were banned to the Vatican’s Climate Change Summit. This act alone makes the Pope’s encyclical on climate change questionable at best. A French scientist, Philippe de Larminat, who authored a book arguing that solar activity not greenhouse gases was driving global warming, sought a spot at a climate summit. The powerful Vatican bureaucrat in charge of the academy insisted he had no business being there. “They did not want to hear an off note,” de Larminat said. The incident highlights how climate-change doubters tried and failed to alter the landmark papal document unveiled last week, one that saw the leader of 1 billion Catholics fuse faith and reason and come to the conclusion that “denial” is wrong.
Fred Singer, a leading scientific skeptic of anthropocentric global warming (AGW), is an atmospheric physicist, and founder of the Science and Environmental Policy Project (SEPP), an organization that began challenging the published findings of the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC); said in an interview with the National Association of Scholars (NAS) that “the number of skeptical qualified scientists has been growing steadily; I would guess it is about 40% now.” Singer, asked what he would like to see happen in regard to public opinion and policy on climate change, Singer replied, I would like to see the public look upon global warming as just another scientific controversy and oppose any public policies until the major issues are settled, such as the cause. If mostly natural, as NIPCC concludes, then the public policies currently discussed are pointless, hugely expensive, and wasteful of resources that could better be applied to real societal problems.
Look, weather is cyclical. Climate is always changing, but Global Warming is a sham! Five Scientific Reasons That Global Warming Isn’t Happening:
1) There hasn’t been any global warming since 1997.
2) There is no scientific consensus that global warming is occurring and caused by man.
3) Arctic ice is up 50% since 2012.
4) Climate models showing global warming have been wrong over and over.
5) Predictions about the impact of global warming have already been proven wrong. Worse, however, has been the deliberate deceptions, misinformation, manipulation of records and misapplying scientific method and research to pursue a political objective.
Is it any wonder why the pews are emptying? I never knew that Jesus gave His life for the environment . . .I must be misguided, I thought if was for the salvation of souls!
And the catholic church drives itself even deeper into irrelevance and false doctrine. It has now become the willing propagandist for the leftist ideologues that this pope so truly loves.
The same leftist ideologues who mock and demonize religion of any kind as well as those who ‘cling’ to it.
I think they’re called “Klingons”.
Star Trek taught you most of what you need to know. (It’s all masonic.)
Utterly disgusting. Separation of church and state…. unless it’s useful to push a progressive globalist agenda.
In the past any person would have been burned at the stake for suggesting such a thing. God did everything, and man had no influence, outside the church,
over it.
Vatican II sealed the fate of the Church over 50 years ago. This issue should be looked at as the natural course of continued destruction with Francis now set as the commander in chief. The SSPX (Society of St Pius the 10th) and their worldwide chapels are the only option left preaching the true faith Jesus Christ taught. Come aboard everyone….. we welcome you with open arms. sspx.org
Sure, as long as Bishop Fellay doesn’t deliver you into the ‘open arms’ of Rome. What then?
“Buona fortuna,” as the Romans say.
This is what happens when the Church’s mission shifts from salvation to this worldly constructs like social justice–usually delivered by an almighty omnipotent government.
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I can’t believe I’m reading this. I was educated in parochial schools. We spent years in conflict with communism sought to free people from it’s grasp. Now they’ve seized the church from within. Now I know Martin Luthor met with the results he did.
Martin was so embarrassed by the way his son Lex turned out.
They are marching after the father of lies, now.
“And though this world with devils filled should threaten to undo us,
We will not fear, for God hath willed his truth to triumph through us.
The prince of darkness, grim, we tremble not for him;
His rage we can endure, for lo! his doom is sure, One little word shall fell him.
That word above all earthly powers, no thanks to them, abideth … ”
Martin Luther
Would that be the same Martin Luther who wrote:
“But if that is not enough for you, you Devil, I have also sh** and pi**ed; wipe your mouth on that and take a hearty bite.
I will give a fart for a staff. You, Satan, Antichrist, or pope can lean on it, a stinking nothing”
Then Mr Johnson states:
Because the Devil drags God’s name and His works through the mud, Luther’s retort to the Devil’s dung is “You go eat it!”
The Catholic Church has jumped the shark and is now a political hybrid promoting salvation through socialism.
Looks like they need more money and are creating another (tax) income stream to redistribute
In short, another false crisis
The Priests of the Temple Syrinx.
Naw, that won’t happen til 2112.
The Catholic Church has become a leftist indoctrination camp under this Pope. I will worship somewhere else.
I can no longer follow a Pope who smiles at Castro, a murdering thug.
There are many good Catholics who realize it’s not the Pope we “follow”– it’s Jesus! Unfortunately Jesus left his Church in the care of fallible, sinful, prideful men. Thus Popes have made errors throughout Church history. But Jesus never errs, and His Truth never changes.
Our Lady warned us at Fatima there would be apostasy and scandals in the priesthood, even in the Vatican. Suggest you link up with other Catholics who understand that the Pope is NOT the Church, only its shepherd, and this one apparently prone to progressivism. Find a parish with a good, solid priest who continues to promote our faith as Jesus taught it.
“paying individual bloggers “?
Where do we sign up ?
Gee, I thought I might be the only one that blogs without monetary compensation here. (sarc)
My gain is intrinsic, that’s priceless.
Interesting that they just want to indoctrinate the new priests. I’m a catholic and I’m just not happy any time the church involves itself in issues that just don’t belong in church. This does fit Weill into their “social justice” policy and “blind faith” preaching.
Expect the Catholic Church to get even smaller!
Every sperm is no longer sacred, I suppose.
No matter where you look with the Global Warming crowd, there is only one thing that ‘helps’ reverse this ‘terrible global warming’,,,,, money. That right there exposes it as a scam.
Bless me Father, for I have demagogued.
I’m a priest, and this is BS
I am a skeptic and a Catholic, so read the article avidly. The referenced document from the Church does not contain the words “climate change”. This is sloppy journalism by Eric.
Michael… Sure it does. In the first sentence of the first paragraph, which was quoted verbatim from the original post the link points to.
Steven,
The document produced by the Catholic Church on priestly formation — not the article that reports on it — does not contain the phrases “climate change” or “global warming”. People should be skeptical of things and check the facts before they comment. Otherwise, they risk looking like warmists.
Michael, you are either a true skeptic or a true catholic you cant be both.
(skeptic a person inclined to question or doubt accepted opinions), that wont sit well with papist proclamations.
A true Pope can only speak (ex cathedra or using the ordinary magisterium) on matters of faith and/or morals. One can be a true skeptic (regarding ‘science’, politics, etc.) and a true Catholic. They are not mutually exclusive.
I’m an independent, or “free will” Baptist so the pope can shove it where the sun don’t shine. I’m beholden to my creator and not to any man no matter how fancy his hats are. What a douche. Also I would like to ponder what our earth would be like if our brave firefighters were not putting out raging forest fires every year. Or maybe they should just let it burn, I mean, God’s will be done right. What arrogance the Vatican has as if God needed man to protect his creations. Here’s a thought Francis, hows about you all stop drinking from the same cup when taking communion and prevent the spread of germs
Don’t get your knickers in a twist. Jorge Bergoglio isn’t a Catholic. He doesn’t profess the Catholic faith. He is an atheist/communist/globalist. No true Catholic could spew the stuff this guy spews.
But you are quite prepared to accept the Catholic Church’s decision as to which books make up the New Testament.
“Unfortunately, the issue is politicized. In the late 1970s, when the issue threatened the financial interests of the fossil fuel industry, the political lobbies, chiefly in the United States, financed a massive political disinformation campaign to manufacture the illusion of dissent within the scientific community.”
I thought the popular concern in the 1970s was global cooling. The 1975 Newsweek cooling world article cited a near consensus among meteorologists:
“Meteorologists disagree about the cause and extent of the cooling trend… But they are almost unanimous in the view that the trend will reduce agricultural productivity for the rest of the century.”
Which would certainly make sense. However, one should always be pretty circumspect when making pronouncement about the future.
I will leave the church!!!!
So sad. Our Church is misinformed about this scientific issue, mostly because their study committee lacked broad experience in the field of climate and weather. The CO2 / Temperature curve is not a straight line, but a curve with an upper limit. An increase of atmosphere to even 100% would not result in global temperatures spoken of by our Church team. The Pope should face a challenge to his telling lies, not about faith, but garbage science.
If some young punk starts preaching from the pulpit about GW I’ll find another Catholc Church to attend
Poser pope wants an army of climate priests to promote the same voodoo of eons past: bring sacrifices to the Temple or be visited by tornadoes and earthquakes and drought!
This is just the amalgamation of two churches.
Good one.
do you all remember when the church would crucify anyone that believed the Earth wasn’t flat, or how about killing those that believed the Earth was not the center of the universe, or you were going straight to Hell if you ate meat on Fridays, or played with your wee-wee….
this is just another VERY STUPID belief that we should NOT BELIEVE….
If priests (and this Pope especially) spent as much time reading and thinking about the Bible as about politics,.they might actually help make the world a better place.
Instead they are working hard to pave the way to a place with serious warming problems.
Add this to one of the many reasons I am no longer a Catholic. This pope disgusts me.
The Catholic Church (the institution, the buildings) were taken over by non-Catholic entities a long time ago. That’s why this “pope” disgusts you. He isn’t Catholic and he isn’t the pope. There are Catholics in chapels and small churches around the world who still hold to the Catholic faith. You can find them if you’re interested in tradition. traditio (dot) com is a good place for information.
Horsesxht….but with a papal blessing
Come, come join the Protestant Reformation against the authority of the Pope. 300,000 ancestors died for their faith that the Pope can be, and is wrong! The Quincentennial Anniversary of Martin Luther 95 Theses is 31 October 2017. Rejoice. Send the Pope his ’95 theses’ again.
Back in the 20th century, the Communists tried, in vain, to extirpate religion. They eventually realized this was a HUGE mistake. It only succeeded in alienating the proletariat they wished to dominate.
Now they’re back, now working from the _inside_ of the nations they intend to conquer. They have learned their lesson, and are quietly infiltrating and integrating seamlessly (more or less) with religious groups, intending to make them allies in their struggle to dominate and conquer the world.
Even the Russian Orthodox Church is now growing in the United States. The newest clergy tend to include younger, more liberal-minded, non-Russian speaking, activists, who are attracted by the ‘sanctifying’ themes in Eastern Orthodoxy. For example, that ‘original sin’ can be sanctified by activist deeds.
http://thewandererpress.com/catholic/news/featured-today/eastern-orthodoxy-and-original-sin/
I’m still waiting my fossil fuel funding. Anybody here (sceptic that is) ever received any?
People been tellin g me I am on the Big Oil payroll for 25 years, have yet to receive a single paycheck. Does that seem right? Who do I sue!!!!! 😉
In the 60’s – 70’s the left preached Global Freezing. When that did not catch on, they switched to the warming con. For the church to mandate the current teachings is unfathomable.
And they think the pews are empty now…….
Wait till winter…. heaven just froze over too…
From Church’s statement: “Unfortunately, the issue is politicized. In the late 1970s, when the issue threatened the financial interests of the fossil fuel industry, the political lobbies, chiefly in the United States, financed a massive political disinformation campaign to manufacture the illusion of dissent within the scientific community.”
Only problem is, in the late 1970’s the global alarmists (socialists) were screaming of the coming ice age from fossil fuel burning. Hmmmm, maybe they aren’t very smart or scientific. Why should we listen to their carbon tax redistribution scheme now. The pope should keep his mouth shut more.
Is this the same Catholic Church that in the 17th century investigated Galileo by inquisition and found him to be “vehemently suspect of heresy”, as he had the temerity to contradict the “Holy Scripture”. He was forced to recant his scientific findings and lived the rest of his life under house arrest. This is an example of what happens to non believers of a belief based culture that presumes it is all knowing. Does any of this sound familiar?
The same Catholic Church that came up with the Big Bang theory.
Sounds just like Islam.
Yes, we can all trust the Catholic Church when it comes to science, just look at the case of Galileo!!!!
Modern Inquisition begins
Problem is THIS time we are well armed and trained. Wonder how many priests are willing to martyr themselves for socialism?
Is this a pathetic attempt by the Legacy Pope to ingratiate the Legacy Church with the Legacy Media?
Timothy 4:3-4English Standard Version (ESV):
“For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths. ”
I guess the Bible was right about that one.
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Perfect citation! Isn’t it amazing how human nature 2,000 years ago showed the same flaws as human nature today?
Only the technology of implements changes.
Amen.
Every time I think about going back to mass, His Holiness comes out with another stupid idea to make our TRUE RELIGION less like a religion than a social movement. Please go back to Argentina.
So then the Church will speak out against the population explosion — most of which is in the Third World and among Third World people living among us? Great! Let’s have compulsory birth control for poor people (after ONE child)!
Has the Holy See began installing solar panels to reduce their carbon impact? Leadership by example shows this Pope is putting the Church’s money where is mouth is.
“Unfortunately, the issue is politicized. In the late 1970s, when the issue threatened the financial interests of the fossil fuel industry, the political lobbies, chiefly in the United States, ”
that is a lie!!! I graduated in 1971. The liberals were all about Nuclear Winter. This article is trash…
As I have said (I think) the days of AGW theory being viable are going to end as global cooling which began earlier this year will continue to evolve. First stage was the ending of El Nino and one can see OLR increasing now as a result of this.
My solar theory in one sentence is– Extremely low solar conditions that are persistent will push the terrestrial items which control the climate toward modes which will result in the albedo of the earth to increase therefore promoting cooling.
The 500 mb level in the N.H. seems to be showing an overall cooling trend of late. What I want to see is for this trend to continue but for the poles to be warm relative to the lower latitudes at this level.
This time in the climate is at a crossroads to my way of thinking and this next 6 to 12 months could be very telling.
I also like the overall snow coverage in the N.H. and it looks like it will be going more above average within the next few days, from a level very slightly above average as of today.
Sea surface temperatures overall are on the decline as far as I can tell.
Ultimately it’s more about the Vatican embracing globalism and eventually a one-world order led by none other than the antichrist. This story adds more validity to the speculation that that the ‘beast’ who becomes the antichrist’s helper as described in Revelation will be the Catholic church.
A Great way to turn off Catholic youth who can READ ABOUT REAL SCIENCE AND FACTS !
Yes, btw Galileo you are going to jail because the earth is FLAT.
GG was imprisoned because he advocated that the earth moves, not that it’s flat.
Yes, and George Soros funds a great deal of faux “climate science” research. Does anyone else suspect there’s a snake in the Vatican gardens?
Are you kidding? Only one snake??? The place is crawling with marranos.
[Anthony: a misplaced typo (letter ‘u’) ended up in my email address, causing my post to be held in moderation. Corrected, now using my correct email]
-Johanus
Not knocking the Philippines…just an example.
86% Catholic and the population doubled in the past 35 years. Grew more than the entire population of Canada in just 25 years!
Climate a problem? No. Just vulnerability of the ever increasing population of poor people.
Duarte, head of the Philippines, has pushed birth control and said, approximately, “The church says you will go to hell if you practice birth control; I say we have hell right here now.”
Climate Change = Original Sin, a concept the Catholic Church has been using for 2K years to make the membership feel perpetually guilty. Just a new way to adapt the religion to the prevailing culture.
Note to Catholics, you may preach “climate change” but the left still won’t like you.
The current Pope is a Marxist and he’s trying to make the church over in his image. Hopefully he’ll die soon and the church will revert back to the status quo ante.
He came to power in a palace coup, of communists against conservatives in the Vatican.
My old-school Southern grandparents used to say that they didn’t leave the Democrat party, the Democrats left them. Thanks to the Catholic Church, I understand exactly how they felt.
More silly stuff and nonsense from the media dreamers. The Pope has indicated we should respect and care for the environment…a no brainer in all political circles. He hasn’t whined about the Keystone Pipeline,fossil fuels or coal.The radical left wants the Pope to embrace their discredited views as Church Doctrine…never going to happen.
Hmmmmm. How do you spell G-A-L-I-L-E-O?
The Pope and the Catholic Church should confine themselves to the fighting of sin in our modern world. Particularly the sin of covetousness…which Progressive/liberal/socialist regimes worldwide have embedded into governments like hungry parasites. The Obama administration or the Democrat party in America wouldn’t have an agenda plank to stand on if it weren’t for covetousness…us versus them…soak the rich…pay your “fair share”…wealth redistribution, etc. Yet nary a peep from the Pontiff or his bishops. Sin seems to be the last thing they care about. They are only concerned with being social justice warriors…even for unjust and lunatic causes.
But he’s all whipped up about climate change…a phenomenon for which there hasn’t been one substantiated claim proven. I think the guy has gone MENTAL. Methinks there’s a layer of tinfoil under that miter.
Naysayers,heretics,unbelievers! Next thing you will say Rachel Carson was a fraud.
Carson WAS a fraud. The eggshell thinning data came from a fixed experiment where the calcium was intentionally reduced in the diet of the birds also fed DDT. Look it up. The researcher confessed.
Global warming (aka climate change) is the religion of the stupid.
Sheep, lemmings, and Leftists are easily manipulated.
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They need to get rid of this so called Vicar of Christ and never again raise up another Pope from a Latin American socialist country.
You can take the Pope out of Latin America, but you can’t take the Latin America out of the Pope.
Dang. No wonder the only time I set foot in church is for a marriage or a funeral. Until Pope Frankie allows all those “refugees” that he tells the rest of the world to embrace into Vatican City, I won’t hold my breath.
There was a time the Church was concerned with men’s souls – as was Jesus. For from the good souls of mankind all good things would follow.
The Church seems to think delving into politics will make religion more relevant, widely accepted, give it a larger voice in the world. Mother Theresa did that with an open heart and unquestioning good works. She was a better model for the Catholic Church than the insulated Pope ever has been.
Religion and politics don’t mix well. This global warming initiative in the Church is just wrong.
Don’t bring Jesus into Religion, that’ll upset the politics.
The Vatican’s Pontifical Academy of Sciences is the world’s oldest, longest running scientific mission.
Are these the same folks who said the earth was the center of the universe and that the earth was flat?
This exactly the reason I am no longer a participant in the Catholic religion. The poor, more than any, need the benefits that fossil fuels provide most of us including the pope! To deny the poor these benefits is not Christian!
Actually if you read it it says care for creation. It’s the slant of the article that put in the whole climate change emphasis. It says nothing of forcing people or priests to acknowledge global warming as an only man made event. It has always however taught that we should care for creation, which does mean helping to build up the environment not destroy it. But nowhere does the church say promote global warming trash.
I would walk out of any homily.
Bring back the Inquisition to deal with global warming heretics.
Wow, just wow! Of course it’s political. The church is lost in the desert of hubris. “change effects the poor the most” – If tomorrow magic happened and ALL human influence on the climate stopped, the climate would still change in some way. It always has, and always will. Who would the church blame then? God? All this money would be better spent helping people deal with the effects of change rather than the Quixote like effort to change global human behavior.
The Catholic Church promotes their coming home advertisement. Coming home to preaching global warming instead of the Gospel? I use to be Roman Catholic. The gospel was not preached. Only social justice stuff. Now i attend Gospel preaching ACNA (Anglican) Church. Would never go back. The Catholic Church and this Pope is falling into heresy.
So now the religion of global warming has found a sponsor? And one with deep pockets at that. Just in time too, since a President Trump will likely cut the flow of money from the taxpayer spigots.
How long will it be before Hanson et al proclaim, “We’re all Catholics now.”
Why? The Catholic Church will be around long enough for this fr*ud to be exposed. This isn’t going to help their cause, it will alienate conservatives and most climate alarmists are aligned with the atheist Democratic Party. I just don’t get it.
Can you say, empty pews.
Enviro evangelism is the new religion. The Pope, seeing this, is applying it, to attain his goals. People were getting sick and tired of the same old crap anyhow. He’s still working the Armageddon stichk, but now the devil is capitalism and wealthy countries. He sees redistributing wealth to poorer people, who he can control, as his main goal. It’s a basic socialist platform which, if you look at Latin America today, would lead to disaster.
I don’t believe Catholic Online is an official part of, or speaks for, the church. Although the writer of this article is pretty clearly in the alarmist camp, the view attributed to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, is much more nuanced: …global climate change is real and is caused, at least in significant part, by human activity. Almost all skeptics agree with the first part of this statement, and many agree with both parts.
Eric, I don’t see anything in the article about “efforts to reduce carbon emissions.” As far as expecting clerics to be aware of secular issues and open to valid science, there is nothing wrong with that.
What is really objectionable with this article is the two paragraphs from Unfortunately, the issue is politicized. to The deception continues today.
Whoever wrote this should review the 9th commandment (or the 8th, depending on your tradition.)
This is the exact wrong time to join the bandwagon.
https://youtu.be/QowL2BiGK7o?t=17m1s
The two things that this pope has said Islam is a religion of peace and now preaching carbon dioxide reduction both lies.
They have proven their lacking mental capacities by BEING Catholic, so AGW is not a stretch for them.
[I sometimes think we should have a minimum age requirement for posting here . . . mod]
mod, you’re an idiot
Stick to salvation. And to the extent you want to influence politics, take the “hard road” and work to overturn abortion. Finally, if you insist on joining with the global warming crowd, than actually take on a project, such as the tons of junk mail that are produced, delivered and discarded every week. Junk mail has no “flash”, is not speech worthy, and won’t bring any standing ovations. But it is real and serves as a good test of your sincerity on the issue.
Only because of this pope and possibly his successors if he is allowed to appoint more and more liberal sodo mite cardinal electors. The infestation is complete.
Only a Blind man would not see what this Pope is up to . Francis believes that his Church has been nothing more than the prejudices and suspicious behaviors of small-minded rule followers who are only now becoming enlightened by the flow of history and cultural change to be led out of the tar pits of the past. He doesn’t really believe any of it in any fundamental way. These political pronouncements are in line with that leftist perspective.
The catholic church also imprisoned Galileo because he said the earth orbited the sun.
Coming from the Che Guevara Pope…..why the surprise?
Poor Francis. Now that God has left him, he will soon realize that at the place where he is going to now warmer is better is the motto. Get used to it, Francis. Hellzapoppin!
Gee, excommunication for climate scepticism? That could never happen! It’s not like the church was arguing that the sun revolves around the earth… Oh, right.
Good grief – Now Al Gore and his deluded minions have corrupted the Pope!
In 1917 at Fatima, the Blessed Mother told the children, “Priests should not busy themselves with anything except what concerns the Church and souls.”
God would have to be a fool to create a CO2 doomsday bomb. The AGW theory has no way for temperatures to stop increasing with an increase in CO2, it literally is a doomsday theory. Facts are, God isn’t a fool. That is why the IR absorption of CO2 is a logarithmic function. It has a natural off switch to prevent it from destroying life. The Catholic Church would be far better off explaining how God’s designed the system to prevent exactly what the climate alarming are claiming. The geologic record shows CO2 being as high as 7000ppm and we never had catastrophic warming. The Catholic Church is making a huge mistake.
I’d rather that the church order them to stop diddling little boys as well as each other.
Pope Francis is Obama with a beanie and is a socialist, as is Obama. This is a leftist tactic to push an agenda. The new priests should tell Frank to stuff it under his beanie. More perversion of Catholic theology.
Catholic Church is OK with me, but don’t miss
Nach römisch-katholischer Lehre ist der Papst der Stellvertreter Christi auf Erden und Nachfolger des Petrus. Die Unfehlbarkeit des Papstes bezieht sich nur auf dessen Definitionen in Glaubens- und Sittenfragen. Sie wurde unter Papst Pius IX. vom Ersten Vatikanischen Konzil 1870 verkündet.
“According to Roman Catholic doctrine the pope is the vicar of Christ on earth and successor of Peter. The infallibility of the pope refers only to its definitions in matters of faith and morality. It was under Pope Pius IX. From the First Vatican Council in 1870.”
The Popes infallibility doesn’t refer to politics or climate change.
Doesn’t biblical Revelations speak of a religious leader who allies with a political leader to bring about the “end of days”?! GK
No to the doesn’t because it does.
That would be the Beast and the false Prophet,…
A classic case of “misdirection” to avoid linking global warming with unfettered population growth and the Church’s role in it.
The alt-Pope is creating an alt-Church.
Another example of the false Pope. More interested in spreading human communism than the Word of God
What’s up with this pope! Long Live John Paul II!!!
The new pope, the MARXIST Pope Frances, is turning the Catholic Church into a cesspool. It’s bad enough that many of the Priests are PEDOPHILES, now they are about to join Al Gore in his “global warming” SCAM !!!! I was raised Catholic but stopped attending church way back in High School. To me, the Catholic Service was just SO boring. Since then, The Priest sex scandals, and now this global warming BS, and I have ZERO inclination to return to the church.
stop making lame excuses to stay away from the church. any church is a hospital for sinners.there are going to be corrupt people in any organization. maybe you could focus on the 99% of priests doing good work.
Are Catholics trying to take over the AlGorian religion now?
I’m a little suspicious of a Pope whose concern seems to be far more weighted to the created rather than the Creator. Paul warned us of such reprobates and how they were of their father, but I never thought I would live long enough to see it at the top.
Apparently the Church failed to learn their lesson after preaching about the flat Earth for a millennium, before being forced to acknowledge that objective reality trumps fictional dogma.
AC writes “forced to acknowledge that objective reality trumps fictional dogma.”
Perhaps you could describe this force and perhaps provide a link to this admission. I doubt it is written as you propose.
The Church didn’t teach a flat earth for a millennium. It taught an immobile, but spherical, earth at the center of the universe. For its first few hundred years, many Church Fathers were biblical flat-earthers, but from about AD 400 on, the Church adopted the geocentric model, but which a spherical earth.
I guess the Roman Catholics found clear justification for the “global warming” idea in the Bible, right next to the passages that clearly describe Purgatory, Limbo, the Immaculate Conception, the Assumption, Marion intercession, auricular confession to priests, priestly celibacy, the papacy, papal indulgences, papal infallibility, plus a ton of other Catholic doctrine.
AC and EM,
Most of the items to which you refer are not Catholic “dogma”. Dogma is a better word. Neither is global warming. An actual example of Catholic dogma would be the divinity of Jesus Christ or the Trinity. Papal infallibility is only claimed on dogma. The apostles’ creed is a good place to start to understand actual church dogma. A better word to describe church beliefs. It does not change. Doctrine, or teachings do change with better understanding over time. Unfortunately, teachings, like global warming, are wrong from time to time and reflect the politics and human weaknesses of the times.
The Church has consistently denied scientific theories in favour of theological belief. Galileo, mentioned above, was one example, and Darwin’s theory of evolution is another. Unfortunately Creationism is today alive and well in America, with or without the sponsorship of the Catholic Church. The Global Warming agenda plays neatly into the concept of the sinfulness of man and the consequent need to self-flagellate.
They got Astronomy wrong, persecuting Galileo.
Now the Faux Communist pope is leading the church in another hoax. Shameful
The Catholic Church
1517 – Indulgences to buy away your guilt.
2017 – Carbon credits to buy away your guilt.
Always suspicious of a man in position of religious authority whose emphasis seems to be far more weighted to the created rather than the Creator. So was the author of 1/3 of the New Testament.
Here the Church takes her eye off the ball once again and encourages distraction in a world full of misery and sin. It’s no small wonder that God’s Church has a difficult time recruiting young priests when Church leaders themselves stray like lost sheep into the myriad of politically charged street issues. We as a church need priests, priests and more priests, not sociological ideologues to introduce more confusion to scatter the flock.
It appears there is something other then the Holy Spirit involved here. Prayer, did anybody ever hear of Prayer? God help us.
Tax the church if they get into politics.
So if the Pope prays really hard, we can get the Laurentian Ice Sheet back?
There is “Climate Change (TM) ” I can believe in.
Image if the Church actually taught Climate Change.. Always has always will.
It is (damn near?) a miracle that the planet has sustained life, given its proximity to a variable star.
Our geological indications of global stability , indicate one hell of a self modulating system ..
Or is that brilliant(divine) design.?
Strikes me this Religious Leaders obsession with climate points to a disbelief in his own God.
A disconnect of doctrine?
Remember when told ; “Its an act of God”.. be sure to inquire as to ; “Which One/Ones?”
Spiritual Blindness. AGW or CC mitigation by the left crushes the poor.
Suddenly the Democrats can’t get enough of the Catholic Church and Christianity.
And the left has completely left their old friends the Rooskies behind, blaming them for Hillary’s loss and supposed “fake news”. I wonder if it is not now time for us to hug a commie?
This is total horseshit. As a Catholic I think this Pope should be excommunicated as he is likely the one to usher in the AntiChrist and one world Government. he is a communist and a fool
This is what happens when you have a Communist Pope. They stick politics into everything. Instead of focusing on individuals saving theirs souls through good individual behavior — they jump into matters of science which they know nothing of.
I am a Roman Catholic. The Church needs to STAY OUT of politics!!
Yes, alarmists there is and has always been climate change. However, the theory that human emissions of CO2 is the cause of global warming is NOT FACT BUT ONLY AN UNPROVEN THEORY THAT HAS BEEN REJECTED BY MANY SCIENTISTS FOR THE FOLLOWING, NEVER REPORTED, REASONS:
1. CO2 is a minor greenhouse gas that at it’s present level of 400 ppm accounts for 0.04% of the atmosphere and human activity account for only 4% of total carbon emissions. Nature accounts for 96% of carbon emissions. Do the math – 4% of 400 ppm is 16 ppm….How can such a minor amount of carbon produced by humans drive climate change?
2, CO2 is not a pollutant, but an essential to life element. There would be NO LIFE WITHOUT CARBON DIOXIDE!
3. CO2 is a clear odorless gas that’s constantly being used as it allows plants, trees and crops to CONSUME CO2 AND RELEASE OXYGEN BACK INTO THE ATMOSPHERE. This benefit is totally ignored.
4. Geologic history contradicts the “carbon emissions” theory. During past warm periods CO2 levels were as much as 10 times higher than today, but it did not prevent the glacial ages that followed. Conversely, following the long glacial periods, the climate warmed despite very low levels of CO2.
5. Ice core samples from Antarctica reveal that when the last ice age ended about 12,000 years ago temperatures rose 800 YEARS BEFORE CO2 LEVELS contradicting the claim that carbon drives climate.
6. “The 2016 State Of The Climate Report” presented to, and ignored, by the U.N.’s Climate Conference in Morocco just a few weeks ago in November says all you have to know: “The very idea we can predictably manage climate change accurately by manipulating at the margins one politically selected factor (CO2) is as misguided as it gets…It’s scientific nonsense!”
Pity. The Church now has little to separate itself from The New York Times. We should anyone make the effort to attend Mass if they can receive the same pablum online?
With such homogeneous content, the two institutions appear to be approaching the same irrelevance.
Liberation theology from a liberation theologist.
The hateful, spiteful comments on this thread make me glad I was out running errands and had no chance to comment when the article was posted.
Anyone who hates / despises Christianity, please feel free to NOT BOTHER ME with a response. I won’t be back to this thread anyway.
Just like an otter: popping up, so cute, and then disappearing before you can get your camera ready.
God is omnipresent – therefore he is present in this blog – look harder! GK
The RCC almost always stayed on the side of unreason. So why not this and particularly now. As environmentalism became a new “religion,” the Church seeks desperately to have the share in that stupidity as well.
“Global warming” is just a religion, so why not?
As a cradle Catholic I think the church and the Pope should stick to church matters. God knows there is enough there to keep the clergy busy.
What next — pedophilia as a means of combatting global warming?
Just driving more Catholics away from the church. Good job Padre
Will the Roman Catholic Church amend the Affirmation of Faith?
At least the Alarmists are finally recognizing that climate change belief is a religion based purely on faith. No science needed.
Isnt this the same bunch that told us the world was flat?
Which side was the church on re shape of the earth? Organization of the solar system?
Good luck trying to express a contrarian opinion in their comments. Apparently AGW is now an article of faith.
To all the anti-Catholics – I will pray for you and will kick the arse of any who blaspheme against God’s Holy Church! And for the ignorant Protestants – No Catholic Church, no Bible! Wake up!
The dopey, media-hungry Peronist in the Vatican continues his crusade to make Catholicism absurd. Nice.
Maybe they figure they can abuse more little boys if they hide behind this politically-correct nonsense.
The fossil fuel industry funds nearly all of the climate change skeptics, going so far as to commission questionable studies, to financing think tanks, and even paying individual bloggers…
Nice! My check from big oil/coal/gas/fossil should be arriving any day now. 🙂 That will certainly help with the heating bills this winter!
/snark
a church that hid pedophiles is not pushing a fake science. ..OUTSTANDING
GASEOUS AL GORE, DOOMSDAY CULT CHAIRMAN OF THE APOCALYPSE
The planet has been “cooling” for at least the past 18 years, or so — the recent cook-the-books massage job by NOAA notwithstanding. And the so-called “experts” have never “once” demonstrated, recorded, or proven human causation for “any” global warming — it’s all been projections based on computer models subject to bad historical data, divergent / incompatible or inconsistent instrumentation, exaggeration and the-sky-is-falling alarmism, and manipulation-for-profit — for taxpayer-paid government grants, carbon-credits schemes, and studies required by environmentalist wacko government regulations.
The anthropogenic [“man-made”] global warming religion has proven very profitable for those who own the religion and who drag around by the rings in their noses the useful idiots, airheads, and drooling, googley-eyed, bobble-headed sycophants who have an intense itch to be followers, “a part of a cause bigger than themselves” — who project an arrogant condescension onto ignorant, unbrainwashed dissidents.
Contemplate Gaseous Al Gore — that lying fa sc ist sack of s hi t and doomsday cult Chairman Of The Apocalypse — who sold his failed global-warming alarmist TV station to Al Jazeera — a propaganda arm of some murderous oil dictatorship, somewhere out there in Kaboomistan.
Now, didn’t Al Gore buy a 6,500 square-foot, $9 million, very-high carbon-footprint mansion in Montecito — “only” 480 feet above sea level where it is sure to be inundated by the HUGELY TOWERING WAVES of polar ice cap melt celebrated in scare-em-silly fictional environmentalist quack movies — if his bul ls hirt theory of man-made global warming actually proves true to reality? And this is in addition to his 10,000 square-foot mansion in Tennessee, another huge carbon footprint! And hasn’t OhBummer already bought the ocean-front Magnum-PI property in Hawaii? His bloody “rising seas” ought to swamp and drown him — else he is a lying hypocrite.
I have no problem with people becoming fabulously rich in the capitalist system, but the stink of hypocrisy of Gaseous Al Gore — that lying fascist skunk — is annoying. He must be laughing up his sleeve at all the idiots who have enriched him through his scam, his hoax, his fraudulent religion — man-made global warming.
So desperate now are the profiteers of his nutty religion that they are resorting once again to Hollyweird for scary big-screen movies and TV shows to carry their lunatic propaganda.
They turn scientific method on its head, demanding that skeptics prove “that there is not” any man-made global warming, but no one is obliged to prove any such thing — for the same reason that we are not obliged to prove that the moon “is not” made of green cheese.
It tells me something useful about opposing the OhBummer dictatorship when my reference to the moon and the green cheese in the past year was hijacked for an OhBummer speech. Possibly his speech was written by Biden The Magnificent, that lobotomized serial plagiarist who serves as OhBummer’s principal criminal accessory.
The ecofreaks and enviromaniacs? Destroy them. Let’s just focus on ensuring clean air and clean water.
Replace asterisks with periods, below. ~:<)
http://dailycaller*com/2016/10/24/top-university-stole-millions-from-taxpayers-by-faking-global-warming-research/
http://www*tpnn*com/2014/03/17/weather-channel-founder-explains-the-history-of-the-global-warming-hoax/
http://www*climatedepot*com/2014/12/30/global-sea-ice-breaks-all-time-record-high-antarctic-sea-ice-also-breaks-all-time-record-high/
http://dailycaller*com/2015/06/04/noaa-fiddles-with-climate-data-to-erase-the-15-year-global-warming-hiatus/
http://www*investors*com/politics/commentary/warming-alarmists-redefine-what-a-hurricane-is-so-well-have-more-of-them/
http://realclimatescience*com/2016/10/more-on-the-noaa-texas-temperature-fraud/
Always thought that GW was a religion this sort of proves it.
Eighteen mentions of “Galileo” so far (this is 19th mention), four Martin Luthers and a partridge in a pear tree.
Why are you defending socialists using the Catholic Church to push their agenda?
You forgot my Whore of Babylon mention. That (pun intended) trumps Martin Luther and Galileo any day of the Julian calendar.
I would like to thank the Catholic church for continuing to remind me why I am no longer a Catholic.
Is it because you are now a “zombie”?
Only on occasion as it is a timeshare.
More misrepresentation of what was said. And then the anti-Catholic folks crawl out of their shadowy corners. Typical.
i.e. any opinion other than Catholic Church doctrine is HERSEY! Flogging will begin in ten minutes.
The Pope is harming his own credibility and the credibility of the Catholic Church by siding with the climate change alarmists.
The climate change alarmists do not have the science on their side, regardless of what they claim. The public climate change debate is about to begin and the Pope is going to be on the wrong side of it. He should hold off making pronouncements on the climate for a while until he sees how things unfold.
Faith in Global Warming supplants faith in Jesus Christ.
” We are called to be stewards of creation”
We are not called to put creation ahead of stewardship of our fellow man, friend and enemy alike.
At this moment the only thing keeping third world nations from industrializing is the greed of the rulers.
Pope Francis validating their excuses for oppression of humanity only sends the message that this earth and our existence on it is the most important thing to us, instead of focusing on the “heavenly reward”.
We should seek to use the earth in a way which benefits all men and trust the destiny of this temporary dwelling to its maker. That is what my father opined as a minister.
From his mentoring came the gist of this hymn:
An Ode to the Church
On Fighting Climate Change
Bureaucrats and Global Planners
Speak in agitated manners,
Predicating great disaster:
“Climate change we now must master!”
Human guilt and blame beseeching:
“Children, shame we should be teaching!
Man has sinned by overreaching
Fragile Gaia’s limit!”
Beware their bold apostasy,
Their prophesy is vanity!
The firmaments will never be
Controlled by mortal hands.
So, use this world, as best you can,
To take care of your fellow man
And leave Earth’s destiny to God’s great plan!
The Universe is God’s, alone
Commanding elements He owns.
Perplexes any man’s control,
Yet, still provides for every soul!
Everyone should forward this documentary to their Catholic friends, the Pope and Donald Trump. The Catholic Church is making this move at just the wrong time.
https://youtu.be/QowL2BiGK7o?t=16m49s
In matters of science, are we to have faith in the same Catholic Church that viciously persecuted Copernicus, Galileo & Newton for their scientific discoveries?
Please see and read our letter to Pope Francis on his misguided positions on climate change and energy linked below: 24 September 2015
His Holiness, Pope Francis
Apostolic Palace
00120 Vatican City State
Your Holiness:
As the leader of 1.5 billion Catholics…almost one quarter of the entire world population…your initiatives on calling for the increased prosperity of the world’s poor as well as the protection of the Earth’s environment are remarkable.
However, many eminent scientists say “climate change as caused by man” is not an entirely settled matter. Carbon dioxide emissions alone may not have significant impact on temperatures and climate change. Anthropogenic global warming (AGW) is, of course, the opinion of many scientists, and perhaps more importantly, political institutions that benefit from that opinion. One should be mindful of Galileo Galilei’s famous letter to the Grand Duchess Christina written in 1615.
“Certainly no one doubts that the Supreme Pontiff has always an absolute power to approve or condemn; but it is not in the power of any created being to make things true or false, for this belongs to their own nature and to the fact. Therefore in my judgment one should first be assured of the necessary and immutable truth of the fact, over which no man has power. This is wiser counsel than to condemn either side in the absence of such certainty, thus depriving oneself of continued authority and ability to choose by determining things which are now undetermined, open and still lodged in the will of supreme authority.”
In brief, it may be impossible to conclude today, based on the best scientific means and analysis available, that the use of fossil fuels increases the mean global temperature or directly alters climate conditions. It is 100% clear beyond any reasonable doubt that the use of fossil fuels by man has provided an unprecedented level of elevated human condition; i.e. abundant food production, transportation, safe and secure housing, medical treatments, and the like. One only needs to study the conditions in pre-industrialized Europe to appreciate the modern energy based standard of living and human life expectancies.
Perhaps the real problem is not climate change, per se. The real problem may be the inequality of the energy available to people in industrialized nations such as America versus those of undeveloped nations. We note that in order for all people in the world to have the daily per capita energy of Americans, we would have to increase current worldwide energy production by a factor of 8; furthermore, 90% of today’s energy comes from fossil fuels.
Entire letter at: http://fusion4freedom.us/letter-to-pope-francis/
You’d be better off addressing this to his followers. It’s wasted on him.
Timid responses to Evil are part of the problem. Who cares if the Pope is the so called leader of 1.5 billion people. When he is wrong he is wrong. This 16th century petition to the Pope is entirely wrong for the 21st Century. This Medieval institution should have been buried centuries ago. He should be told in no uncertain terms to get out of the issue.
“Certainly no one doubts that the Supreme Pontiff has always an absolute power to approve or condemn…” Poppycock. The Pope is simply another cheap and purchasable politician lording it over a billion deluded souls. This is the essence of the problem. People who respect themselves should tell him to get up and go.
Yet with some further thought it may be that we indeed need a 16th century solution to this problem. Is there anyone out there with the power and authority who will put armies into the field to tell this Pope to get up and go?
The Soros Pope disgraces Himself once again.
Personally, I wish the Catholic Church would resurrect the Crusades. Muslims are a FAR greater danger to the climate and Western society. Not to mention a far greater danger to the Catholic Church. And yes, I am a catholic. The moment my priest stars preaching about climate change I am out the door.
CLIMATE CHANGE IS A MAN-MADE FRAUD !!! “More Than 1000 International Scientists
Dissent Over Man-Made Global Warming Claims”: http://cfact.org/pdf/2010_Senate_Minority_Report.pdf
The Catholic Church is again being used for useful idiots just as Hitler used them.
This isn’t an official statement from the Church. It’s from a writer who belongs to the “California Network” and posts on a Catholic web forum. Don’t be duped into fake news. It’s in the globalist interest to destroy Christianity which is why the attacks on the Church have been so intense.
At one time the Catholic Church espoused the disinterested search for truth in scientific matters. Apparently, under the current Pope, that is no more. I am glad Trump is not a Catholic and hope he will clean the global warming rent-seekers out of the US government.
This is the co-opting of the Catholic Church for political reasons that the Podesta emails discussed. Why would the pope allow himself to become stooge of the pro-death, anti-life extremists?
Really? So no mention of the fact that much of the data behind so called climate change is false? Hello email hacks from the “leaders in climate change” Funny how everyone on the left fails to even mention that the data is false. And now, this Communist Pope wants to use the authority, falsely claimed by the church, to preach climate change? I am no Catholic, but I do understand lies when I hear them. If you read this and don’t believe that this Pope is a Communist, you just haven’t done your homework. Please read his rants to business leaders and politicians. just blindly follow, which is exactly what the Catholic Church wants. Just continue to follow your priest to the gates of hell while the “church” protects monsters who rape and abuse children.
This Pope is no friend to freedom, just watch what happens with him and the Muslims. Be warned this Pope is all for the subjugation of your freedom in the name of Scripture. Also I thought pure and undefiled religion was to help the orphans and widows? Not to eliminate poverty? Christ said the poor will always be with you. So continue to worship your idols(the Pope is a Maryist, look it up) and gentle slip down the road to damnation. At this point I really can’t understand why anyone would choose to remain a Catholic.
Under what religious mandate does the Catholic Church derive the responsibility to care for the environment?
Sounds like mission creep to me
Whatever happened to “Thou shall bring no false idols before me”?
The catholic church is headed by a Marxist. God help us.
If the Catholic Church is interested in bringing back wayward members of its flock, this will do the opposite. The Church of my father and my youth is no more.
The pope is a leftist stooge trying to deflect from their sexual molesting scandal with science fiction now.
Sexual molesting causes global warming.
I had visited the Vatican in 2002. What I witnessed amazed me, not due to the Carrara marble of Michelangelo’s Pieta, nor the wondrous ceiling of the Sistine Chapel. I was taken aback by thousands (within their archives) likely millions of pieces of art that could singlely feed a poor nation for years if sold to museums, leased to them, or auctioned to highest bidder. As a practicing Catholic, I questioned this…what could one piece do for those who suffer. Yet, upon my return to the US, I was preached upon the value of helping the poor and how capitalism is greedy. Huh? Now climate change. Next, as our new Pope has stated, communism, is closer to the doctrine than greedy capitalism. I am now amazed further. To the Vatican, why not take in thousands of refugees yourselves, instead of lecturing us. I, like most people, am just trying to get by. Something is seriously wrong here.
This is a total bunch of nonsense. The Pope cannot force what are his personal opinions on new priests, present clerics or the Catholic faithful. It sounds as if WUWT has a problem with the truth.
The Pope has no power or authority to make his personal opinions an edict. He only has the authority to enforce the church’s doctrine.
Silly me.
I thought the mission of the church is salvation of souls.
When the church got into a rumble with Galileo over heliocentric vs. geocentric centuries ago how did that turn out? The church was WRONG!
God has created a wonderful world that self corrects. It doesn’t get too hot, and it doesn’t get too cold, but goes from hot to cold and back in rhythm. Who can doubt that we are protected by an all powerful God. How dare the pope contradict God. The pope is not Christian.
If they do I will walk out. Stick to the Bible.!
carbon emissions = EXHALING…………..this stuff has gone beyond all levels of reason.
No where in the instructions for seminarians is Global Warming even mentioned. This article is BS.
They could also go back to flat earth teaching. That worked out well!!
A false prophet intent on driving a knife into the back of the Church for political gain. Slow suicide at best, but it’s what the church wants. If it wasn’t, it would be stopped now. Preaching based on lies.
Would they be incensed having to use low-emission incense?
The Catholic Church is a dying organization that’s trying to throw anything against the wall to keep people in the pews, and it’s not working. This is just another attempt to do that. As a former Catholic I think this is actually positive.
I’ve been watching other denominations like Pentecostals convert Catholics left and right. As much as I disagree with some of what the Pentecostals believe, no one can ague with their love in Jesus Christ and his plan for our salvation. Contrast that with Catholic clergy, which is about 60-70% gay, including nuns, have serious emotional problems, and about half, deep down, don’t really believe, they’re just going through the motions. If the clergy is spiritually dead the parishioner is lost as well.
Another thing I’ve noticed is that as much as this clergy is pushing for women priests, they’ll never talk about married priests, because, in general, the majority gay clergy would feel uncomfortable around another priest who is in a loving, committed relationship, as they would be constantly reminded that they are unbalanced people, and they don’t want to be reminded of that.
I’m so happy that I left for a more nurturing, evangelical environment.
When they can explain how Eric The Red was farming and raising cattle in Greenland in 1000 AD, they will then get my attention!!!!!!
This Pope is a Globalist Socialist, bordering on Marxism. Global Warming advocacy is in his wheelhouse. No Catholic church has seen or will see one dime of this Catholic’s money until this Pope is long gone…
There are a lot of anti-religious folks here, but they need to understand that science and religion are not only compatible, but they are inseparable. That’s why so many great scientists have been deeply religious people.
However, religion frustrates and angers many of you for one main reason: the Truth of religion cannot be explained by science as we know it. So the nasty attitude toward religion is understandable, even if it’s clearly not excusable.
I’m saddened by a lot of the political nonsense coming out of the papacy these days, including this climate change farce. However, it does not negate any of the many great aspects of the Church. We’ll be around forever, and that’s a truth you’ll just have to accept.
So, God is not sovereign any longer?
“So, God is not sovereign any longer?”
God is still sovereign. It’s just that there are always a lot of mere mortals who presume to speak for God.
There are a lot of anti-religious folks here, but they need to understand that science and religion are not only compatible, but they are inseparable. That’s why so many great scientists have been deeply religious people.
However, religion frustrates and angers many of you for one main reason: the Truth of religion cannot be explained by science as we know it. So the nasty attitude toward religion is understandable, even if it’s clearly not excusable.
I’m saddened by a lot of the political nonsense coming out of the papacy these days, including this climate change farce. However, it does not negate any of the many great aspects of the Church. We’ll be around forever, and that’s a truth you’ll just have to accept.
Anti religion is one thing – anti Catholic is entirely another
Science and religion are definitely separable. And indeed should be.
The majority of the best scientists alive today are atheists. That wasn’t true in the 16th and 17th centuries, but became increasingly common in the 18th and 19th. In the 20th and 21st, it’s a majority of those making the greatest advances.
Even when great scientists were religious, they were often heretical, like Galileo and especially Newton, who was a secret Unitarian. Yet even in the 19th and early 20th century there were devout Catholic great scientists, such as Pasteur. But religion and science are definitely separable. One is based upon belief taken on faith and the other upon observation and doubt.
Sorry Roman Catholic church. My wife and family were thinking of leaving the catholic church when the pope decided to get into George Soros’ pocket. Sealed the deal. No more for us, or our money.
Don’t give Satan a win.
As I read it, it’s a wacko green Californian taking the Church’s boilerplate on the issue, and claiming something which the Church does not.
What a damning dictum for the theory. Consider the case of Galileo to ascertain how things fair when the Catholic church attempts to marry itself to science.
Tilting toward the left is damaging the Church and resulting in a loss of members not only in the Catholic Church but also in some protestant sects. Conservative congregations, on the other hand, are vigorous and growing.
The Pope is just doing what most lay people do by going with what seems to be the mainstream of science. In that he is doing the same thing Pope Paul V did with regard to Galileo; he went with the consensus of secular scientists who didn’t think Galileo had proved his case. The Pope has no special insight about the science or the truth of the natural world. He should just be regarded as yet another leftist pinhead who thinks he’s saving the world.
When the Pope and the Catholic Church finally walk back their “Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth and subdue it” mantra, and instead begins preaching birth control and that those in poverty are NOT the ones who should be having children, then I’ll be OK with them telling priests to promote global warming.
Until then, they can stuff it—and is precisely why I’m a Protestant and will be for life.
The chairman of Pope Francis’ climate study commission, Hans Joachim Schellnhuber, is a German climate activist from the Potsdam Institute for Climate Research. He is also an avowed atheist and advocate for climate control.
The Pope can make infallible , binding decisions on matters of faith and morals only under certain conditions. Infallibility in the Catholic Church only applies to matters of faith and morals (the creed and the commandments) which bind the whole Church.
The Pope has clearly exceeded his Papal authority here by using religion to disguise his idealogical agenda.
The Roman Catholic Church also famously excommunicated Gallileo for daring to say the earth revolved around the sun. How strange that the Church wants to get back into the science business, considering its solid record on being on the wrong side of scientific history, again and again.
This global warming crap is getting out of hand. It’s just another way for the rich to take money from the poor and middle class.
Enough is enough! The people of this world are not buying your lies anymore!
How do you know some social or scientific fad is outdated? The church picks it up.
Sounds like the Inquisition is back on.
The Catholic Church tried Galileo for heresy and excommunicated him in 1632 a.d. His sin? Claiming/proving that the earth revolved around the sun. Church doctrine was the planets revolved around the earth.
Science is not the churches strong suit. They were wrong about “heliocentricity” then and they are wrong about “climate change” now.
So, since the Catholic Church has deemed global warming is significantly caused by human activity, it then follows that the number of humans is part of the problem (7 billion of us little buggers). Does that then mean that the Catholic Church is going to advocate for birth control?
How obsecenly greedy for power and wealth can the Vatican become?
They share their billions with nobody.
They take the last few pennies from the poverty stricken in their church services.
Now they want to take millions from from taxpayers through governments who use bogus science.
They are pure evil.
Sounds like you are describing the Obama administration.
If my priest starts in on this it is over. I will walk out and not go back. No donations, no help in parish functions. Over. Il Papa, idiot extraordinary worships the created instead of the creator.
I am not a devout Catholic worshipper. But the CCB’s policy letter concerning Syrian refugees caused my weekly contributions to the Catholic Church to be terminated. Now with the Catholic Church and the Vatican’s Pontifical Academy of Sciences entering the fray concerning global warming I will terminate contributions altogether. Can the Pope, the Catholic Church or the Vatican’s Pontifical Academy of Sciences prove global warming? No they cannot. No one can prove global warming without the proper data and the appropriate analysis of those data. Remember, this promotion of global warming by the Church is being done by the same entity that suppressed the scientific fact that the Earth orbits the Sun.
Begs to question why so many have not left this theocratic cult that is guilty of a long trail of abuses (persecution of Christians and rape, pillage, genocide of the New World, false prophet). No wonder that the evil moo-him-mad admired the Roman catholic theocracy so much, that he copied its power and control precepts into islam.
Jesus Christ said that you are to call upon Him and Him alone, for Salvation. Your Walk in Christ is wholly personal; no church required.
John 14:6
6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
Just one more reason I left the Catholic church decades ago and turned to Jesus instead…”You must be born again” John 3:7
The article reflects the strong biases of its author, Marshall Connelly. It is clear that Connelly has ingested many gallons of full strength CAGW Kool-aid when he states porkies such as the fossil fuel industry financing climate change skepticism. Thus his opinions about the rigor of CAGW training of future priests are suspect. But it should make Catholic skeptics aware of the potential for this to happen, and such skeptics should push back hard if it does start to materialize. Such resistance may prevent long term harm until a time of cooling renders CAGW moot.
I am one Catholic who is pushing back. As I said in another comment, the Pope is neither scientist nor politician. The facts and science about this Globalist Climate ripoff will arrive long before there is the cooling you’re talking about. One can gather the truth without much effort.
Fracking.
Oh, not an issue .
If they preach anything it should be the havoc caused by overpopulation.
If a Church uses the pulpit for political purposes, are they not in danger of loosing Tax exempt status?
Priests should be required to register as foreign agents and jailed for efforts to propagandize the people. More fake news should not be tolerated. Henry VIII did not tolerate the interference of Clement VII in the matter of his marriages but declared himself head of the Catholic Church in England.
The issue of AGW is far more serious than a marriage. Why tolerate a Pope that chooses to interfere in the matter in the US? Why not demand that US Catholics abjure this Pope in Rome?
“…Unfortunately, the issue is politicized. In the late 1970s, when the issue threatened the financial interests of the fossil fuel industry, the political lobbies, chiefly in the United States, financed a massive political disinformation campaign to manufacture the illusion of dissent within the scientific community…”
Ah yes, who can forget the huge global warming scare of the late 1970s, right on the heels of the 1975 Newsweek cover story, “the Cooling World.”
The threats to the financial interests of the fossil fuel industry were a global energy crisis due in large part to Iran and Iraq. The other big issue was peak oil, with rampant claims that we only had about 50 years before we ran dry when it came to oil. The big global issue was the Cold War. The big environmental issues were saving the whales and the Amazon rain forests.
The energy crises had a number of causes, but a large factor was the imposition of rationing by odd/even license plate numbers and other nonsense on pricing and profits. With the rationing many people turned to various tactics to keep a steady supply of gasoline to get to work, etc. The simplest was instead of running the tank down to 1/4 or less, they kept if filled to 3/4 or more- stop every other day after work for gas. Many people had two cars, one for each day. This kept 10 gallons or more in the tanks of upwards of 80million cars- about 10% of production. That extra demand to months to work out and never really disappeared, adding to the gas lines, and numbers of cars running out while waiting. Add to that the chaos caused by the “windfall profits” tax which also cut production- why make more, just to send more profits to the government?
All in all the government blundered its way through the mid seventies to the end of the early 80’s recession with out of control inflation and interest rates pushing 17% at times.
Those in the pulpit would be better served to advance responsible stewardship of God’s creation and avoid the hyperbole and politics of GW. Clean air and water and avoidance of unnecessary waste stands on its own and contributes to a stronger biosphere irrespective of causation.
The apostate Pope wants to be the leader of the one-world religion.
It is a sin to lie. Promoting the lie of global warming is not something that comes within the purview of the church. This pope is the anti-pope. His coming was foreseen many years ago. The church has always been a bit to the left, but generally only involved in ministering to the poor, the needy and showing compassion (sometimes inappropriately). Now it is become an arm of the globalists who are promoting this scam to sell indulgences called carbon credits. Some will become filthy rich while others will suffer because fossil fuels have been deemed the work of the devil. The cause of non-existent global warming. How sad that a religion which has survived for a couple of thousand years has come to this state. Through times of great power and times of great relevance or times of great misconduct, the church cannon has survived because it preaches the Gospel. Now it just preaches the Party line. That’s what happens when corrupt men inhabit the offices of religion.
Affordable energy for any population is without a doubt the most cost effective way to reduce poverty society has ever seen. To deny poor countries the availability of affordable storable fossil fuels would be and is a travesty, all in the name of and belief that it is somehow noble and is saving the planet.
The demise of the Catholic Church, in many countires, soon to follow the demise of the United Methodist Church, due to liberalism.
Looks like the Pope and WUWT made the Drudge Report.
Climate Change Scheme Saying it is caused by Humans + The New World Order=’s Carbon Tax, the Money to Fund the Redistribution of Wealth to the Few, while deceiving the World and the Churches that this MONEY will help the poor, and improve the Climate.
Think Everyone, do you really think Humans can control the Climate , even with all the money in the world.
Climate has been changing for millions of years, and Earth has seen this type of climate , long before man roamed the planet.
If they are so worried about pollution , then why hasn’t the government banned BURNING BARRELS , WHERE HOMEOWNERS BURN PLASTIC, DIAPERS, AND OTHER ITEMS, SPEWING CHEMICALS INTO THE AIR.
No , the government is only interested in controlling any industry that they can bring in big bucks, prevention is the last thing they care about.
The observable, reproducible threat is posed by both atheists and theists who indulge in departures from the scientific domain. We need a separation of logical domains.
Unh, … People?
The issue of “the One True Religion” doesn’t need to be solved TODAY, on this blog.
There are many shades and formulations of belief, and NONE of us will know-for-certain-sure until we’re dead and beyond this three-or-four dimensional realm.
As far as science, Pope Frankie is wrong to religion-icize climate-change theories, and I’m sure most of us can understand that.
The End, — and thanks for playing.
Goofball Central, headquarters Vatican City.
As a devout Catholic, everytime this Pope preaches or opines, I just snicker and laugh. Kinda the same way I do at my loser liberal cousins who have a new career every other year and whose only passion is social media activism.
Just argue facts with the collectivists, eventually they’ll have a panic attack and self destruct.
Will no one rid us of this turbulent pope?
Maybe Benedict’s dwindling supporters will strike back, a la John Paul I.
If the Catholic Church believes in Global Warming….caused by excess humans….they need to stop importing Muslims to America and other countries that pay the church to do so. The muslim excess breeding is causing more global warming harm than a 1st world family of 4. Having a dozen or more kids is just killing the planet. ALL other religions have seen responsible breeding, but muslims are given a pass.
Muslims’ stated goal is to take over countries via breeding. It not hate, it’s a fact.
To stop global warming will require the Catholic Church to man up an stop taking tax dollars to import muslims to America.
The REAL Agenda for one-world-order?
“We redistribute de facto the world’s wealth by climate policy” said ex-UN’s Edenhofer.
investors DOT com/politics/editorials/another-climate-alarmist-admits-real-motive-behind-warming-scare/
Yes, come up with a calamity that the world can unite with, and then subjugate the world’s wealth to fight the imaginary enemy. It’s not working out to well as the climate hoax has been exposed.
The Catholic Church is just repeating the cult of CAGW’s mantra which is completely removed from observations and analysis.
The liberals believe that if something is repeated enough times (the liberal repeating law only applies for statements made by like-minded liberals) it becomes true.
It appears the wait for cooling, in response to the solar cycle interruption is over. There is now discussion of the return of the ‘polar vortex’ with comparisons of the winter of 1961/1962.
Paint the picture for what to expect.
Significant unequivocal cooling (significant in that the public will demand an explanation as to why the planet is cooling) at the same time there are investigations into the questions of how and who was involved in the massive manipulation of data and fudging of analysis concerning the entire CAGW mess.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-transition-team-seeks-details-200558864.html
http://notrickszone.com/2015/11/20/german-professor-examines-nasa-giss-temperature-datasets-finds-they-have-been-massively-altered/#sthash.ibiNW4TW.Saxx5o6a.dpbs
They will preach invisible global warming along with the invisible man.
More foolish commentary from the Marxist Catholic Pope to his peasant followers. Naturally American tax payers will be expected to pick up the tab for global warming. NASA weather satellites show no increase in the worlds temperature over the last 15 years. Climate zealots call it the pause and have no explanation!
“Global Warming” (hoax) is based on Catholic images of Hell & Eden — that’s why the hoax won’t die (VIDEO) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NklKZLRjbTI
The Church has been wrong about science before. The Pope’s infallibility only covers faith and morals, not scientific knowledge.
“Pontifical Academy of Sciences” LMAO! I bet Galleleo is laughing too!
I wonder how many Environmental Engineers are part of that “Academy”?
The science is settled. That 97% of the scientists agree that anthropogenic global warming is a hoax.
Global warming is a myth, as is Bergoglio being Pope. An apostate cannot be pope, nor can a freemason (devil worshipers at their highest level) since the fact that he is a freemason automatically excommunicates him. The hierarchy of the Church in Rome was overthrown in 1958 when freemason Angelo Roncalli (John 23) stole the office and illegally called for Vatican 2, which illegal changed the Mass into a joke against Church law. Bergoglio is a phony and so is “global warming”.
Why would the Roman church get involved with this hoax on the world? Time for a pope change. Catholics beware.
And there it is, proving the theory that global warming is indeed a religious belief.
What silliness. This is just the pope’s leftwing politics, has nothing to do with Christianity. I think we all know overpopulation will destroy us long before the oceans rise and inch or the temperature rises a degree. Heck overpopulation is sucking our rivers, lakes and even some seas DRY. Overpopulation is the problem pope, but you and the politicians can’t deal with that issue. That is why so many of us ignore the pope and self-serving politicians. Fight over population. Climate change is just an attempt by socialist politicians to control us and get more tax money.
Not one single prediction by environmentalists has come true. Not one.
– the population is not bursting at the seams. It’s merely overconcentration in some areas.
– there is still more than enough land to settle millions more.
– we are not out of food.
– we are not out of water.
– weather didn’t get worse.
– we didn’t run out of oil or gas or minerals.
– we didn’t drive all animals to extinction.
– the ice caps didn’t melt.
– the Earth didn’t freeze – remember THAT one fifty years ago?
– there is not one single coastal city under water no matter what they tell us. USE YOUR EYES, PEOPLE! GO TO THE COASTS AND SEE FOR YOURSELF!
– not one of the warmists can tell us what the temperature should be.
– Climate change crooks have been caught cooking the books (see ‘climategate’ and calling for the ruin of the careers – including jail time of people who disagree with their predictions.
– climate change is about nothing more than power and money.
– ask yourself why the leaders of the climate change never EVER follow their own advice? They live in multiple, huge homes, fly/boat/drive around to enormous parties, have big families, lavish vacations, glorious lifestyles – all things they demand we never should do. How many of them have ever planted a tree?
– not one of the population control crowd has ever killed him/herself to live what they preach.
Remember foks, global warming is about money and power. Money from your pockets into theirs and power given to them over you. Fight this nonsense everywhere you see it.
POPE FRANCIS — The Useful Idiot
Sings A Famous Religious Song
(I)
I don’t care if it rains and freezes
Long as I got my plastic Jesus
Riding on the dashboard of my car
I’m driving fast to where I’m going
Horn a’honking, headlights glowing
Racing to that global climate war!
It’s Armageddon straight ahead!
For just as Adam Smith has said
Creating wealth sets each against all others!
The Covenant within the Ark
Is best fulfilled through Karl Marx
Shared poverty will make us Christian brothers!
(II0
I preach a new Theology
Derived from Climatology
My alter is the dashboard of my car
I had a vision, went to buy a
Naked, windup, plastic Gaia
I serve Her in the global climate war
For Gaia mends the Trinity
She is the third Divinity
God feminine as Christ was made a male!
In all the nations they will herald
The Moving Spirit Of The World!
— Who bobs Her head and shakes Her tail!
Eugene WR Gallun
It’s time to accept that the Catholic Church is a criminal organization, not a religion.
It was a model for the Mafia.
Mario Puzo’s “The Godfather” is based upon the Borgia popes and their family.
Especially protection rackets. Give us money, so that your soul will spring from purgatory. Give us money, or we’ll break your legs or burn down your store.
THE FAKE POPE RECENTLY GAVE HIS FAKE PRIESTS THE “POWER” TO FORGIVE ABORTION. Which means that EVEN THOUGH JESUS CHRIST TOLD US that HE would forgive us of EVERY SIN EXCEPT BLASPHEMY AGAINST THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE FALSE CHURCH has been doling out their “forgiveness” like those papal indulgences of long ago. AND ONLY GOD can FORGIVE sin a man can PRAY with you and even pray FOR you, but it is GOD that forgives sin.
Matthew 12:31
Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
Matthew 12:31-32 [Full Chapter]
Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
GOD ALREADY SAID THAT HE WOULD FORGIVE US ANY SIN SHORT OF BLASPHEMY AGAINST THE HOLY GHOST!!!!!!!!! WHO NEEDED THIS FALSE PROPHET POS TO TELL THEM THAT GOD FORGIVES SIN? Man, cannot forgive ANYTHING.
BUT NOTICE WHAT THE SCRIPTURE ON CONFESSION ACTUALLY SAYS!!! 1 JOHN 1:9, It says that IF WE CONFESS OUR SINS it is NOT THE PRIEST THAT FORGIVES US BUT IT IS GOD. THE POPE IS A LIAR.
The pope thinks that commenting on homosexuals is him judging them. God judged homosexuals in the bible and had the penalty written down for those who afterward would claim him as their GOD. Why doesn’t the pope know that the bible is God’s judgement against the behavior of man? Thou shalt not seems abundantly clear.
Jesus said to call no man on earth “Father” for we have one “Father” and He is in heaven.
Matthew 23:9New International Version (NIV)
9 And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.
The pope’s church calls priests “Father” and the pope “Holy Father”. Jesus specifically said that the glory of being called “Father” BELONGS TO GOD AND GOD ALONE. Why does the pope think that he can usurp the glory of God for himself.
The pope tells us that the mission of Jesus Christ on Earth was to “BRING PEACE ON EARTH’, his church tells us this every Christmas. Yet JESUS CHRIST warned us not to think certain things about him or his purpose in coming. One of the things that Jesus WARNED US NOT TO THINK was…..oh, let’s just read it shall we?
Matthew 10:34-39New International Version (NIV)
34 “Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not
come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to turn
“‘a man against his father,
a daughter against her mother,
a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law—
36
a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.’
37 “Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. 38 Whoever does not take up their cross and follow me is not worthy of me. 39 Whoever finds their life will lose it, and whoever loses their life for my sake will find it.
The pope and his church tell you that he is the MEDIATOR BETWEEN MAN AND GOD. The bible says that there was indeed a “mediator” but has a different take on who that might be.
1 Timothy 2:5New International Version (NIV)
5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus,
Oh, so the pope is USURPING THE TITLE OF JESUS CHRIST by calling and allowing himself to be called “the Mediator between man and God”, since the BIBLE tells us that the mediator is JESUS CHRIST.
The pope tells you to pray to Mary, Peter and a thousand other saints.
Exodus 20:1-5 tells you not to have other God’s before the Lord Almighty and not to bow down to them nor serve them.
AND JESUS SPECIFICALLY TOLD YOU TO PRAY NOT TO MARY BUT TO THE FATHER.
Matthew 6:6
But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
Add to that the fact that we were told also that whatever we do in WORD OR DEED to DO IT IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST! And now you know why we say “Father in the name of Jesus”,
Colossians 3:17
And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.
Why does the pope tell you to pray to someone OTHER than GOD?
JESUS LINKED BAPTISM TO SALVATION IN JOHN 3:1-8 AND MARK 16:15-20. Romans 6:3-5
The WORD “baptism” in the greek, which the N.T. is written in, is the word “Bautizo”, Bautizo MEANS TO BE COMPLETELY IMMERSED IN WATER. When JESUS was baptized in MATTHEW 3 HE WAS COMPLETELY IMMERSED IN WATER. The false church of COURSE had to change even this! SPRINKLING is not BAPTISM. The APOSTLES told you that there is ONLY ONE BAPTISM, in
Ephesians 4:5King James Version (KJV)
5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
BUT IT ISN’T THE BAPTISM THAT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH PERFORMS!!! Peter, whom they lyingly claim as their “First Pope” SPECIFICALLY TOLD YOU HOW TO BE BAPTIZED!! When the Apostles received the Holy Ghost in ACTS 2:1-4, they came down onto the street still speaking in tongues, people mocked them Acts 2: 13, leading to PETER giving the FIRST SERMON WITH THE INDWELLING OF THE HOLY SPIRIT. At the conclusion of this sermon which goes from ACTS 2:14- ACTS 2:36 the PEOPLE TO WHOM HE PREACHED asked PETER what they needed to do to be saved like the Apostles and disciples.. THEY WERE TOLD TO BE BAPTIZED IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST. The false church does NOT baptize you in the name JESUS CHRIST but rather in three empty titles, none of which are NAMES..
Acts 2:37-41King James Version (KJV)
37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
The BIBLE declares that any church which prohibits people from MARRYING ( priests and nuns) AND also asks it’s congregants to ABSTAIN FROM MEATS ( no meat on Friday) IS A CHURCH OF SATAN. Paul told Timothy that this church would get it’s “DOCTRINE” from DEMONS.
1 Timothy 4:1-4
King James Version (KJV)
4 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
He prophesied this to Timothy so that the Bishop could IDENTIFY the false church that arose. And you know what ELSE a “False church” that received it’s doctrines from DEMONS would do? It would LIE about the nature of CHRIST’S MISSON HERE ON EARTH. Every year the Catholic Church tells you that Jesus came to “BRING PEACE ON EARTH”, all of you without question have been VICTIMS of this HEINOUS LIE. Is it just a “mis-interpretation”? An INNOCENT MISTAKE perchance? Nope. It’s the EXACT OPPOSITE OF WHAT JESUS CHRIST STATED HIS MISSION TO BE!!!!
Not only did Jesus never say He came to “bring peace to the Earth”, but it’s something that JESUS CHRIST WARNED YOU SPECIFICALLY NOT TO THINK!!!!!
Matthew 10:34-39
King James Version (KJV)
34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
36 And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household.
37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.
39 He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.
Since these verses exist in EVERY BIBLE in the WORLD we can conclude that it isn’t an innocent mistake which has the POPE telling you the EXACT OPPOSITE of what Jesus said that HIS mission was!!
THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS THE CHURCH OF SATAN.
How ignorant. Save your time.
God bless and forgive you.
And the First Commandment was Hebrew law from YHWH which means Christians violate it everyday.
Because of this communist pope and the direction he is taking the church, I am no longer attending and will not give a single dollar to them.
Please watch “A Sheep In Wolf’s Clothing”, a documentary about Saul Alinksy. Did you guys know that during a Communists in America meeting they acknowledged in the 1960’s that they had placed 1,000 communist priests in the Catholic Church in America? Yep!
OK, NOW I’m against the church. I never was before. I am Christian, but will practice my own faith.
AGW is a religion since the very beginning. There’s the hereditary sin of fossil fuels, lurking hell of runaway warming, and heaven waiting for those who stick with the church (and kill any opposers). No wonder catholic church embraces it.
Fake-pope. Benedict is the real and oh Pope. This other guy is some weird politician. Not buying what you’re selling Weirdo!!!
Benedict was overthrown in a palace coup by the Communist faction against the Conservative faction.
Hope the real story comes out, as it did about the Banco Ambrosiano scandal and John Paul I, among others, being bumped off. That event could be seen as a Conservative revolt against the Mafia and Communist, ie Liberation Theological, factions.
God help us! I’m a lifelong devout, but more or less non-practicing catholic. Jesus came to save us from our sinfulness, simply put he came, preached, performed miracles, suffered and died for our sins so we could be with him, and our loved ones in heaven some day. As the church has become progressively more liberal and political over the decades I have quit going to mass as I cannot endure the constant attempts by priests and liberal lay people to insert more and more of their socialist agenda, while ignoring the true message of the Gospel. I truly believe this pope is the pope spoken of in the prophecy of St. Francis of Assisi, look it up on the internet. How ironic or perhaps how inevitable that he would pick the name Francis, the first pope to be so named.
Of course this is part of the church’s work. You cannot promote mankind if you’re not concerned about the environment where EVERYONE lives.
Osvaldo,
It says more than that. It clearly refers to alleged catastrophic climate change previously cited by this Communist pope, when alluding to a “planetary crisis” identified by “experts”:
For some time now, experts and researchers, active in different fields of study, have turned their attention to the emerging planetary crisis, which is reflected strongly in the current Magisterium regarding the ‘ecological question’. Protecting the environment and caring for our common home – the Earth.
(Quotation from prior papal pap and drivel…)
“Therefore, it will be necessary for future priests to be highly sensitive to this theme and, through the requisite Magisterial and theological guidance, helped to “acknowledge the appeal, immensity and urgency of the challenge we face.”
This must then be applied to their future priestly ministry, making them
promoters of an appropriate care for everything connected to the protection of creation.
What with the left’s propensity to politicize everything and the Catholic Church’s leftist leanings and political meddling in Third World nations this should come as no surprise. It is however a tragedy that the Church would abuse its’ position of trust to rob and steal what little money and freedom so many of its’ adherents have by pushing this rotten scam on them.
I was raised as a Catholic and used to have a fair amount of respect for them even though I was never an active member so to speak, but between this, their well-known problems with pedophilia and their backing of communist and leftist positions in the Third World I will no longer have anything what so ever to do with them nor would I recommend that my Grandchildren be exposed to their teachings when there are plenty of other reliable, mainstream religions out there that are above board and are truly interested in helping those who need help the most, rather than steal what little they have by this bogus dogma which is only meant to enrich those at the top and to further empower questionable governments and tyrannical regimes around the world.
I hope that people leave the Church in droves based on this latest display of not only horribly bad judgement but the downright theft and virtual economic imprisonment pushed by this formerly reliable organization and the leftists that now head it. The only way to deal with corrupt organizations like this are to hit them financially and work to reduce their influence over the uninformed who have been raised to trust them and who are now being sadly let down.
Rich in New Mexico.
The Pope is a Marxist bent on destroying the Catholic church. “Man made” “global warming” that can be “solved” “only” by organized crime government theft and redistribution of rights (e.g. property) is his fake news he equates with his fecalphilia.
The more things change the more they stay the same. Galileo ran afoul of church thinking because of his heliocentric views vs. the standard and church mandated geocentric view. Advice to the church. Leave science to scientist and learn what the “Scientific Method” is.
the cover up of the child molestation by priests made me stop going to church. this socialist Pope confirmed that I had made the correct decision and I will not go to mass again
Ok, so I scrolled through all the comments here, and maybe I missed it, but it seems as if *not one* of the commentors noticed that Eric Worrall’s headline and introduction to this article are extremely misleading. If you click through to the article on Catholic.org, it is quite clear that it is an *opinion piece* by Marshall Connolly. *He* is the one–not “The Catholic Church”–who is advocating that new priests “be expected to preach global warming”, in the misleading words of the headline to this guest essay.
The actual guidelines for priestly formation that Marshall Connolly is talking about only says the most generic statement, that priests should be “promoters of an appropriate care for everything connected to the protection of creation.” That’s it, and I find that perfectly appropriate. Everything else in the Catholic.org article is put together by Marshall Connolly, and Mr. Worrall does his readers a disservice by confusing the advocacy work of Mr. Connolly with the official position of the Catholic Church.
Part of the climate change agenda is to act as if humans have the power of God to radically affect the environment of this planet. Short of a catastrophic nuclear war, God’s creation is more than capable of regulating itself. The Catholic church is joining the humanists in declaring their power over God. Today’s global warming scheme is the modern day equivalent to the Tower of Babel. We have come to think more highly of ourselves than is warranted.
If you are going to comment on the Catholic church and it’s doctrine, at least learn enough to get it right.
The Pope can say anything he wants, but that does not make what he says official doctrine. Since he is supposed to knowledgeable in spiritual matters people often take his teachings to heart. But no Catholic is required to. Others can believe what they will. The only teachings that become doctrine are “ex cathedra” or “from the chair”- from the Gospel Matthew 23: 2-3- [Jesus spoke] The scribes and the Pharisees have taken their seat on the chair [Gk. cathedras] of Moses. Therefore, do and observe whatsoever they tell you, but do not follow their example. For they preach what they do not practice.” Corruption, crime, lying, and perversions have plagued all religions since they started. Do you think the Mayan folks being led(dragged maybe?) up the steps to the altar to have their hearts cut out were really in to it? There is some archaeological evidence that at least a few didn’t going as willing victims.
Second, one of the most basic teachings in the Church is to “form your conscience”. That means a moral duty to determine what is right and true as to how to behave. But in the end we all will find out when we die and meet God in his mercy.
Unfortunately, this man has a degree in chemistry and should understand science. But he also was involved in liberation theology and may have gone off the rails, putting to much emphasis on the here and now results than the hereafter.
He doesn’t have a degree in chemistry. He has a high school level certificate allowing him to work as a lab tech, basically.
Any Christian denomination that puts any man on a higher level of “holiness” or at a more divine relationship to God than any other man, is not based on Christianity at all. The Catholic church is a political body concerned with power and money and always has been. And the anointment of this radical Marxist pope has made that fact more obvious than ever before. The Vatican’s Pontifical Academy of Sciences has always been a body used to insert the Catholic Church into whatever pop-culture “scientific” claims are made at the time to give Catholicism influence and appear relevant in society in order to continue their lust for money and power. Since the anointment of this pope, he has abandoned Christian scripture and done nothing but push a radical socialist/Marxist agenda. So it is no wonder that the Catholic Church and the politically-driven leftist scientists (not the consensus that they claim) that push the “man-made global warming” agenda (or is it now “man-made climate change”) will make such good bedfellows. To hell with this anti-Christian, secular pope who’s heart and intentions are odorned with the hammer and sickle and not the cross that Christ died upon.
Global warming is the newest religion. The snappers don’t want to be left out.
When smokers are outlawed I’ll be an outlaw.. 😎
Guess I’m a Globull Warming Heretic.
Utter garbage. The Church is well out of its purview in pushing the unscientific scam of AGW. True adherence to issues of faith and morals would require the Church to condemn those who falsify data and scaremonger for purposes of graft and the encroachment of individual liberty in cringing submissiveness to tyrannical leftism.
As a life long Catholic…..this Pope is just a meddler…..and a LOT of Catholics I know feel this way, as well as some PRIESTS! First it was our election, Now this…He is NOT helping the Church. There are plenty of Catholic issues that need to be addressed. Just wanted to say this because many Catholics do NOT agree with this guy and what he says.
And God blessed them, saying: Increase and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it, and rule over the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the air, and all living creatures that move upon the earth.
Gen 1:28
I’ll pass on being cared for by Popes and Jesuits. Pray that you do not find out what Protestants have been talking about for hundreds of years on that subject.
It may interest you all that the Jesuits are a secret society whose main mission field is in education and in academia. It is an anti-reformation movement and its purpose is to bring the world back to Rome, which claims temporal power over the earth as a consequence of its false claims of spiritual authority. So all of the environmentalists that the Universities cranked out in the 60s and 70s all had a little help from the Jesuits in arriving at their West-hating, environmentalist conclusions. Now your paths all meet back up again in the Pope’s radical environmentalist plan to care for people who really don’t want to be cared for. See if college and university graduates were really “free thinkers” or not. Maybe not?
And. If anyone cares about the poor, stop selling drugs to spoiled overeducated environmentalist brats in Universities and people on welfare in the cities; let the people in the Southern Hemisphere raise their children away from drugs and cartels. That is a good start.
I go to church to hear the doctrine of the Almighty, not the doctrine of man.
If you want to take care of something, how about not making the parishioners pay for the baby raping priests and their lying Bishops. How about that!!
The old boys track record ain’t that good…
https://notonmywatch.com/?p=655
Once again Popery displays its appalling blindness.
This is exactly why I stopped going to mass – a pope who embraces the ideology of death, destruction and massive poverty
It is striking, really, how folks can believe in myths. Such as the myth of the evil Catholic Church through history. Such as the myth that unthinking people have propagated religious doctrine for twenty centuries. I’ve found most scientists have no better than a third grade education in theological teaching and church history (protestant or catholic). Those who have swallowed whole the modern myths of religious intolerance need to read Arthur Koestler’s book The Sleepwalkers. It will make you realize how much bunk you were taught about Copernicus and Galileo.
Thomas,
Don’t know to which bunk you refer. No one doubts that Copernicus and Galileo were religious, but the fact remains that their science ran counter to Church dogma. Galileo was persecuted for his science, and Copernicus waited until right before he died to publish, out of fear, as he himself admits in the Dedication to his book.
Even back in 1959, Koestler acknowledged that spiritual scientists were no longer ascendant, as they might still have been well into the 19th century.
No one who has actually studied the history of science, that is.
“Don’t know to which bunk you refer. No one doubts that Copernicus and Galileo were religious, but the fact remains that their science ran counter to Church dogma.”
Roman Church dogma was based on the teachings and dogmas of Aristotle and Ptolemy. Sir Francis Bacon, the father of empirical science, when he assessed the state of knowledge in England and in the Europe of his day, pointed this out. He showed how knowledge and discovery could advance through observations and experiments and that the reverence for Greek philosophers was an enormous hindrance. But Galileo and Da Vinci also stated plainly that the teachings of Aristotle and Ptolemy were their main obstacles.
The Roman Church also kept a strangle hold on writing, so that it was only done by scholastics and monastics in the Latin language.
After the invention of the printing press, the Protestant Reformation and writing in the vernacular resulted in an increase in literacy, learning and discovery. Each country slowly emerged from Roman feudalism, social mobility allowed new interests, and each country began to print its own works.
Ah yes, that reminds me, the Enlightenment saw the rise of “nationalism.” Writing your own literature and your own histories, imagine that.
As someone born and raised in the RC church..I will let u know doesn’t matter what they say no o e will listen..People with listening to these Priests years ago..they will only manage to drive what few parishioners they have left away from them..I quit when they tried to tell me I should support illegals..like I should condone law breakers but I should follow the law..what BS..
“The fossil fuel industry funds nearly all of the climate change skeptics, going so far as to commission questionable studies, to financing think tanks, and even paying individual bloggers.”
I want the fossil fuel industry to know that I am available and I will gladly deny CAGW for very reasonable rates. Just drop me a line.
The Church has often been a force for good, but it has suffered a severe collapse in recent years. The pedophile priest scandals turned whole countries away from the Church. In the left’s inexorable march through the institutions, it managed to take over the Pontifical Academy of Science, and Pope Francis, in his ignorance, seems unable to come to grips with this. He thinks that in endorsing the false narrative of climate catastrophe, he can remedy the Church’s unfortunate situation. Instead, he is merely attacking human progress, the well being of the world’s poor, the integrity of science, and effectively hammering another nail in the Church’s coffin. Sad.
Your comment is one of the most thoughtful and well written among so many amateurish attempts. A veritable ‘petunia in the onion patch.’
I don’t know where these priests went to seminary, much less Catholic school but
I have a news flash for them and everyone else who is promoting global warming BS.
Our Lord Jesus Christ has His Finger on the thermostat of the universe.
Maybe the pope should focus on more proven issues–like pedophile priests in his midst.
Bless me Father, for I have sinned, I forgot to recycle last week
And verily I say unto you this is complete bullshit.
Or bovis stercore as they used to say in Rome.
Done with the organized Catholic Church. Done! No more money to bail them out of their lawsuits, no more money to support sanctuary for illegals.
Why our country and church refuses to put effort ls where they belong and that is in improving the societies from where the illegals migrate from I will never understand. With hold aid, directly force new leadership but enough already
And they will also be required to sing ‘All hail to Fidel Castro’, a favorite of Pope Francis.
Communists
I don’t think the current Pope has faith in or believes in God.
A tool and shill for the NWO, and serves secular masters.
He’ll soon relocate his Vatican headquarters to Israel and Jerusalem, thus fulfilling prophecy.
The Trump Administration leads the way by their announcement to move the US Embassy to Jerusalem.
We are living in interesting times.
I thank the good clergy for their spirtual guidance….but will skip the weather forecasts and advertising for at best shadowy science!
So, since the Catholic Church has deemed global warming is significantly caused by human activity, it then follows that the number of humans is part of the problem (7 billion of us little buggers). Does that then mean that the Catholic Church is going to advocate for birth control?
I’ve tried twice now to comment on the original Catholic Online article. They both got pulled by the ‘moderator’.
Here is the original article: http://www.catholic.org/news/green/story.php?id=72433
Here is my comment:
As a Catholic and retired engineer, I am VERY sad and disappointed that this article is so biased and anti-science. There is very little truth in it. The climate changes the Earth has experienced in the past 100+ years is NOT unusual or alarming. Human emissions of CO2 have virtually NO effect on global temperatures, regardless of what ‘consensus’ so-called climate scientists claim. Humans only emit about 4% of new CO2, with nature emitting the remaining 96%. In addition, CO2 is a minor ‘greenhouse’ gas, only making up 4%, with water vapor being the major player at 94%. Methane and some others make up the remaining 2%.
Here are a few ‘inconvenient’ facts about CO2 the “experts” try to bury: 1) There was a time during an ice age where the CO2 levels were 11 times higher than today, yet the Earth remained much colder for thousands of years. 2) We are in one of only two geological time periods were the CO2 levels have been this low. 3) Each time the Earth went into an ice age, the CO2 levels remained at their maximum levels for thousands of years before falling.
If CO2 levels FOLLOW changes in temperature, how can it be the cause??? It can NOT. Commercial greenhouses artificially inject CO2 to levels 3-4 times higher than we now have in the atmosphere, because it is airborne fertilizer for plants, allowing them to grow MUCH faster, and they require less water and are more resistant to drought, insects and disease. Isn’t this a good thing???
Over any reasonable time scale, changes in CO2 levels do NOT match temperature changes. However, there is a fairly good match with cosmic radiation and global temperature. This was recently proven by Dr. Henric Svensmark of Denmark, who ran an experiment at the CERN Swiss national lab. He validated the observations of Sir Herschel of England who in 1801 wrote a paper noting the close connection between sun spots (which affects the shielding from cosmic rays) and the price of wheat (temperature).
As an engineer, I find the article’s author lacking in objective reporting, and am sad that “Catholic Online” would allow such a biased propaganda piece to be published.
I really don’t expect this to be ‘allowed’, since my earlier comment was pulled by your so-called “Moderator”. A few hundred years ago Galileo was also subjected to restrictions on the truth about planetary orbits. I’ll be putting this out on other news outlets, just in case.
With Regrets,
Allen Rogers
Obviously the Catholic church has political activists and the hierarchy has been snookered by people lying for their cause by saying that skeptics are “lying” for their cause. After reviewing the research (or lack thereof) I believe the skeptics.
Wunnnerrfulllllll! And with the new Mercy Dogma declared solely by PEO – papal executive order – “no council, no Holy spirit needed-the newbies will not have to preach about the lack of timer thermostats in hell – because Jorge B, a la La Misercordia Bulla [google it] – has abolished hell. Who’d a thunk two millenia on we’d have someone sitting in Peter’s Chair who figured out Jesus’s mistakes and God’s errors? Guy McClung, San Antonio, Texas
A desire for clerical suicide, social justice or faith and morals?
Sounds like an excellent way to lose their tax exempt status here in the U.S.
Since global warming is a religion, this is a match made in heaven.
Ahhh…. there’s nothing like when two religions collide!
The vatican and the global warming farce are all about world dominion and complete control. It’s the beast of Revelation 13. The vatican and their crooked rothschild partners push for globalism, socialism, islam, etc. are all about bringing hell on earth.
This commie pope thinks that the Roman Catholic church will have a large spot at the globalists table. Wrong, the globalists will make sure the church goes the way of the dinosaur. Fools!
As a Catholic, this is lunacy. In fact, the very notion we believe ourselves to be powerful enough to destroy such a creation by the Almighty Father is arrogance and pride beyond the pale. Furthermore, as if He would let us. This is not religion, it is not even spirituality…this is politics, left-leaning politics infiltrating what should be off limits. I’ve had enough of this Liberation Theology/Social Justice nonsense. The answer to the world’s ills is so plain and simple, handed down to us by our Heavenly Father and His most perfect Son…do unto others. Of course, we have a responsibility to be respectful, appreciative and deserving of His gifts, but adherance to the humanistic idea of “Climate Change” is the realm of the fallen one, not the Father.
This pope thinks that the Roman Catholic church will have a large spot at the globalists table. Wrong, the globalists will make sure the church goes the way of the dinosaur. !
So much for the Vatican “Science Dept.”
Is the the same science body that condemned Galileo for his heliocentric views?
Why does the pope care? he has bigger things to care about!
Could a priest satisfy this requirement by talking about the importance of recycling plastic, protecting against radioactive waste by using safe practices with nuclear power plants, and other things that actually make sense? If I were to become a priest I’d be trying to do it that way and thereby “check the box” for environmental stewardship, just not bothering with the troublesome climate change set of issues.
While this communist/socialist Pope concentrates on this baloney, ISIS and Islam are working on destroying us and taking over the world.
One thing I think the church will be able to boast of, eventually, is its many hints of openness about the possibility of intelligent life elsewhere in the universe. (I’m unsure of their position on the reality of UFOs. I suspect the CIA has given the church a heads-up on this matter.)
I am a former catholic because of this pope and others like him. Global warming would be a good thing. You can’t live in cold climates very easy. Warm places are where the people live. Stuck on stupid is the pope.
Not one Earth Day prediction has come true in the last 46 years.
Dang, I hate it when the world comes to an end and I miss it…Every single time!
PS: Don’t forget to get a free NObama countdown clock for iOS at iTunes or Android at PlayStore….It’s a riot!
What’s new, years ago I read someone blogged that global warming was more akin to a cult religion than science, so I’ll take this as proof.
Before listening to so called Scientists, the holy fater should check in the Bible:
Genesis 9:8-17Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (RSVCE)
8 Then God said to Noah and to his sons with him, 9 “Behold, I establish my covenant with you and your descendants after you, 10 and with every living creature that is with you, the birds, the cattle, and every beast of the earth with you, as many as came out of the ark.[a] 11 I establish my covenant with you, that never again shall all flesh be cut off by the waters of a flood, and never again shall there be a flood to destroy the earth.” 12 And God said, “This is the sign of the covenant which I make between me and you and every living creature that is with you, for all future generations: 13 I set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be a sign of the covenant between me and the earth. 14 When I bring clouds over the earth and the bow is seen in the clouds, 15 I will remember my covenant which is between me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and the waters shall never again become a flood to destroy all flesh. 16 When the bow is in the clouds, I will look upon it and remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is upon the earth.” 17 God said to Noah, “This is the sign of the covenant which I have established between me and all flesh that is upon the earth.”
I have always thought that this was why the rainbow flag was taken as a standard for you-know-who, it’s a mockery of god, but what do I know.
Everytime global warming or climate change is an “issue”, why isn’t China, the source of global pollution, ever mentioned? Why didn’t Pope Francis or President Obama ever go to China to tell them to stop the pollution?
Thank god I found this thread—so many knowledgeable scholars laying out the arguments against faith and the practice of the Christian religion (or any religion?) by the science of history—I feel compelled by the weight of the reasoning to immediately abandon my beliefs and my religion and just be a good person. Thank you all.
There will be a collection plate there somewhere. You pay, they prey.
Again God’s word to the pope:
21 And when the Lord smelled the pleasing odor, the Lord said in his heart, “I will never again curse the ground because of man, for the imagination of man’s heart is evil from his youth; neither will I ever again destroy every living creature as I have done. 22 While the earth remains, seedtime and harvest, cold and heat, summer and winter, day and night, shall not cease.”
Genesis 8
Johannes,
Just as pagans offered up hecatombs to their gods, who were pleased by the smell of burnt meat. Same as backyard barbecuers today.
Noah had clean animals to spare, since he let seven pairs of each of them on the ark, but only one pair of unclean. That is, in one version of the story (Genesis 7:2-3). In the other (Genesis 6:19-20), there was no distinction in number between clean and unclean animals, ie only two of each, so none available for sacrifice.
As so often in the Bible, those responsible for editing various versions of stories just put them next to each other, without choosing between them. As for instance in Genesis 1 and 2, the two conflicting creation myths.
No milodon, seven pairs of the clean animals were brought. It can also be said, two by two.
The truth of those chapters in Genesis is to be seen in the phrase, “a male and his female.” Count how many times that phrase or a variation of it are used. All things on earth begin with a male and his female, and all good things are sustained by that conjugial arrangement. The whole earth was renewed and regenerated by pairs, that is, “a male and his female,” one of each. That is why it is found in the text over seven times per chapter iirc.
Zeke,
Sorry. It never ceases to amaze me that so many Christians haven’t actually read the Bible, and if so, understood it. Maybe reading it in Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek improves comprehension, rather than in translation.
Your false interpretation is contrary to the actual text of the Bible. Here’s what the US Council of Catholic Bishops says in its translation and notes thereof.
Genesis 6:
19 Of all living creatures you shall bring two of every kind into the ark, one male and one female,* to keep them alive along with you.
20 Of every kind of bird, of every kind of animal, and of every kind of thing that crawls on the ground, two of each will come to you, that you may keep them alive.
* [6:19–21] You shall bring two of every kind…, one male and one female: For the Priestly source (P), there is no distinction between clean and unclean animals until Sinai (Lv 11), no altars or sacrifice until Sinai, and all diet is vegetarian (Gn 1:29–30); even after the flood P has no distinction between clean and unclean, since “any living creature that moves about” may be eaten (9:3). Thus P has Noah take the minimum to preserve all species, one pair of each, without distinction between clean and unclean, but he must also take on provisions for food (6:21). The Yahwist source (J), which assumes the clean-unclean distinction always existed but knows no other restriction on eating meat (Abel was a shepherd and offered meat as a sacrifice), requires additional clean animals (“seven pairs”) for food and sacrifice (7:2–3; 8:20).
Genesis 7:
2 Of every clean animal, take with you seven pairs, a male and its mate; and of the unclean animals, one pair, a male and its mate;
3 likewise, of every bird of the air, seven pairs, a male and a female, to keep their progeny alive over all the earth.
There is no conflict there. They are brought by pairs. One male and one female. No dens of males only or females only. He will not be bringing in any animal that does not have a mate. That is the plan. Later instructions are more precise, but still identical.
Introducing assumptions about separate writers and separate texts does not prove anything at all.
מִכֹּל הַבְּהֵמָה הַטְּהֹורָה תִּֽקַּח־לְךָ שִׁבְעָה שִׁבְעָה אִישׁ וְאִשְׁתֹּו
All there in the Hebrew!
Seven sevens
clean, pure
male and his female
Zeke,
It’s not an assumption. It’s a deduction from the glaring inconsistencies in meaning and style of the texts. Comparison of the two chapters proves that they’re irreconcilably different. Anyone with a mind the least bit open would instantly recognize that fact, noted by biblical scholars down the centuries,
You’ve shown only a Hebrew passage from Genesis 7, so it doesn’t illustrate your false claim. The Jebrew text of Genesis 6 mentions seven pairs of clean animals and one pair of unclean, contrary to what Genesis 7 says.
PS: Moses didn’t write the Pentateuch (Torah), either.
milodon says, “Genesis 6 mentions seven pairs of clean animals and one pair of unclean”
Gen 6:19 and 20
“And of every living thing of all flesh you shall bring two of every sort into the ark, to keep them alive with you; they shall be male and female.”
וּמִכָּל־הָחַי מִֽכָּל־בָּשָׂר שְׁנַיִם מִכֹּל תָּבִיא אֶל־הַתֵּבָה לְהַחֲיֹת אִתָּךְ זָכָר וּנְקֵבָה יִֽהְיֽוּ׃
“Of the birds after their kind, of animals after their kind, and of every creeping thing of the earth after its kind, two of every kind will come to you to keep them alive.”
מֵהָעֹוף לְמִינֵהוּ וּמִן־הַבְּהֵמָה לְמִינָהּ מִכֹּל רֶמֶשׂ הָֽאֲדָמָה לְמִינֵהוּ שְׁנַיִם מִכֹּל יָבֹאוּ אֵלֶיךָ לְהַֽחֲיֹֽות׃
Look very hard for the number 7
שִׁבְעָה
It is not there in the English or in Hebrew. Decades of time elapsed before the final boarding in ch 7. Sufficient time to be instructed to bring seven sevens of certain clean animals (ch 7). This is just not an inconsistency and the instructions are identical.
The most obvious example of this kind of editing, or lack of editing, in the compilation of the OT after return from the Babylonian Captivity, is the similarity between Chronicles and Kings. But there are lots of others, as I noted, importantly in the irreconcilably contradictory creation myths of Genesis 1 and 2.
Has some global bully softly whispered into the Pope’s ear: “We will allow the church to continue to exist if…?” or is the Pope just an idiot?
If the church is going to listen to the lunatic in the Vatican, so be it. However, this isn’t “religion” in the traditional sense (although…man made global warming” is a religion for many nutcases)…..as such, and having been raised Catholic myself…..it is well overdue to start taxing the church in all states, based on their political activity on this issue, as well as ILLEGALS. Stay on tune, or pay to play.
The very fact that the solution to “global warming” is taxation should have been a giant WARNING to even the most weak-minded “Chicken Little”. The politicians and bureaucrats–and now the Catholic Church–are simply taking advantage of those who live their lives scared to death that the sky is falling. They’re just a bunch of hypocritical charlatans (who are so worried about the sham of “global warming” that they still continue to jet-set around the world in their private planes) selling their brand of snake-oil to the mentally unstable in order to increase their control over the little people, while increasing their already enormous wealth. You can tell that those who adhere to this “religion” are mentally unstable and/or ill by the way that they rabidly and intolerantly attempt to force this “cult” down the throats of those who apply common sense and intellect to the question of NATURAL WEATHER PATTERNS. Their willingness to actually jail those who disagree with them is eerily reminiscent of the Salem Witch Trials–in which an earlier version of our modern day liberals practiced their hate and intolerance against those who they found themselves at odds with.
I think the Pope is a good guy (I am a Lutheran). And as many other good guys he is misguided from blind guides, as Jesus somwhere stated.
Possibly we should pray to the Lord to enlighten him…
The Vatican said as well to Trump that they will ask God to enlighten him….
Much enlightment here needed at this time…
I think that this pope is evil incarnate. He has always been on the side of the enemies of humanity.
Trump is already enlightened.
Scientists MUST be constantly skeptical – it is fundamentally the nature of science to question everything – even well-accepted theories long after ‘the science is settled’. Faith requires the opposite. Telling priests what ‘doctrine’ to preach is one thing, but the pope needs to understand that AGW is based on ‘faith’ and not science. Meanwhile, the left is completely hypocritical when asking scientists to ‘have faith’ in man-made global warming when there are so many obvious reasons to remain skeptical.
There is a reason for this shift. Money. The Catholic church has been bleeding followers to the “new religion” of global warming. To try to keep the money that once flowed into the Catholic Church’s coffers from being directed into the bank accounts of the new religious cult of global warming, Catholic Priests have to start preaching the new “pop-culture” doomsday doctrine. Hell doesn’t scare anyone these days, because it is popular, so now they preach the fire and brimstone prophecies of literal fire and brimstone doomsday scenarios of the Earth melting.
57 year old every Sunday Catholic. Why not spend time on having decent music and a coherent homily? How about that for an improvement?
Wait, so this is now officially a part of a religion. So now about that separation of church and state thing…. We can now disregard this because of religion, right?
And the scientists that say that global warming, errr I mean climate change is real, they do NOT say that humans are a “significant part of the cause”. In fact, what they have concluded is that even if we all stopped driving cars, the temperature would change 0.003 degrees, is that a “significant amount”?
It’s really time for the Holy Spirit to acknowledge that a mistake was made, that we need a new pontiff.
Christians are slaughtered in the Middle East, tortured in China, persecuted around the world — and this guy wants priests to preach about climate change. Good Lord.
The Pope should pull his papal proboscis out of politics and put it where it belongs.
The Catholic formula has it that “the Pope is infallible on matters of faith and morals”. But on secular matters in general – and political matters in particular – his opinions have no special standing, and despite the size of his megaphone, the man Jorge Bergoglio is just another voice in the roar of the worldly crowd.
The Roman Catholic church has been apostate for at least 1600 years. History has shown that Rome’s scientific opinions are as worthless as its theology.
I can see it now: (in confession) — “bless me Father for I have sinned — I left the lights on 3 times while not present in the room; I set the thermostat to 70 degrees because I was hot……”
The real Catholic Church has been usurped and the true authorities are no longer living in the Vatican. This new post 1960’s phony “Catholic” church can continue destroying itself and trying to damage Christianity all it wants – no one is buying their BS anymore anyway.
Catholic Online does not speak for the Catholic Church. It is not an official voice. They are expressing opinions.
Such total bullshit. The so-called Catholic Science “Whatever” said the earth was FLAT, too! How’d that work out?! Smh.
Jer 5:22, Prov 8:29, Psalms 104:6-9, and Job 38:8-11 teach that the Lord put perpetual boundaries on the ocean. if melting ice makes the sea levels rise past those boundaries then the boundaries are not perpetually Bible is false. and you are a priest of a false Bible.
Well, there’s an interesting collection of opinions about the Catholic Church. Many are on a par with the wilder claims of the climate alarmists. They have about as much evidence to back them up as the climate alarmists do to back up theirs. Talk about making things up! Here’s a sample of the utter nonsense that some people (so it would appear) actually believe. Perhaps the people who believe this stuff should get together with the climate alarmists as they share a willingness to believe any old rubbish. Just some of the wilder ones:
It is estimated (conservatively) that the Catholic Church killed half the population of Europe during Reformation alone.
the destruction of Alexander’s Library by Justinian
Christianity was co-opted by the Roman Catholic Church and their week Protestant counterparts the Protestants It amazing that people believe there was only 4 Gospels. The central point of the RCC under Bishop Irenaeus of Lyons was that they kept out any Gospel that went counter to their scam, especially the fact that you DON”T need a middlemen for you relationship with the Supreme Being. ( Gospels left out Gospels of Judas, Mary Phillip etc)
The Church condoned the mass murderous crusades of Charlemagne against the pagan Saxons and later of the Teutonic Knights against the pagan Prussians and Lithuanians, to name but a few instances of the religion spread by fire, sword and ax, in the case of the Saxons’ sacred groves.
Catholic charities are getting rich by bringing in the moslem invaders, and pretending they are refugees.
For over 2000 years this organization of greed, bigotry, murder and hatred, dedicated to death, has controlled minds and bodies.
Isn’t this the same bunch that preached that the world was flat??
Check you history books, the Roman Catholic Church has ALWAYS aligned with the corrupt and criminal global ruling elites.
I’m not sure which is sadder: people believing in climate alarmism or people believing the nonsense quoted above.
Alba,
By “nonsense”, you apparently mean “truth”. It is an incontrovertible historical fact that the Church not only condoned, but supported Charles the Great’s mass murder of pagan Saxons and the Teutonic Knights’ mass murder and enslavement of Lithuanians. You could easily have verified these facts by the least little effort at research.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saxon_Wars
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_of_Verden
That Pope Adrian I had called upon Charlemagne to convert the Saxons by force cannot be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt, but it’s the most reasonable interpretation of events. After Charles the Great massacred the Saxons, Pope Leo III, crowned him Holy Roman Emperor, so obviously approved of his mass slaughter of German pagans.
The official starting point for the Northern Crusades, which included the Lithuanian Crusade, was Pope Celestine III’s call in 1193 forcibly to convert the last pagan holdouts in Europe. Attacks against these people had already been launched by their Christian neighbors, but the authority of Pope and Church helped recruit crusading knights of various orders.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Crusades
In 1198, Celestine III confirmed the statutes of the crusading Teutonic Knights as a military order.
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Well, I disagree with the Pope. He is wrong.
I find it simply evil for the Vatican to publish lies. You can pretend the Pope and his statements are honest, even if mistaken, but that is not possible.
The statement is fallacious and worded to deceive. It is a lie.
It is a dark hour for humanity and the church.
The Catholic Church and the Pope will be shown as opposed to the right. The recent climate polices kill and enslave. That is the opposite of what Christ commanded. We cannot save posterity by killing and enslaving their progenitors.
The Pope has shown himself willing to aid and abet that which harms humanity, that which is opposed to our very souls.
Some day, the Vatican will recant such nonsense, as it had to with Galileo.
…and the Peronist pope drags his church further down the road to irrelevance.
Honestly anything the Catholic church deems to be ‘science’ shouldnt be taken seriously. They do have a long and extensive history of perverting science to consolidate more power. If we took their science for granted we would still think earth is flat and therfore never have gone to the moon.
The Catholic Church held that the earth was the center of the universe (based more on Greek philosophy than on Christian theology — but they never proclaimed that it was flat. That’s a canard that intellectually lazy atheists have turned into a dis-informational cliche.
All are entitled to perceptions n beliefs but I grew up in the Catholic Church and don’t recall politization. This is another reason I do not attend Catholic Mass anymore. There are other venues to get God’s msg.
This, just one more great reason for not returning to the fold.
The Vatican built a great wall to keep Catholics and others out while the Pope decries national borders.
Hypocrisy, thy name is Catholicism.
No kidding. The shameless hypocrite not only decries borders, while keeping the hoi poloi out of the Vatican with walls and guards, but also opposes air conditioning for the little people, while enjoying it himself:
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/420011/pope-francis-wrong-about-air-conditioning-shubhankar-chhokra
What a disgusting, hideous, revolting, sorry excuse for a Christian or human, let alone the leader of a religion.
As a Conservative Catholic, emphasis on CONSERVATIVE. Pope Francis is the Pope…..but I’m not listening to 85%-90% of what he says.
He reminds me of President Obama. Yeah both the job title but they both SUCK at the job.
The Catholic Church is right about one thing: there is a massive effort to deceive the people going on, only it isn’t to pretend that non-existant global warming isn’t real, its to convince the public to accept new arduous levels of taxes and government regulation for breathing. The letters hacked from East Anglia proved this (are our memories now so short that we forget this?) detailing attempts to undermine and discredit scientists who attributed climate change to anything other than man-made global warming and to “hide the decline” in global temperatures.
The satellite data has consistently shown stable temperatures and even slight declines in global temperature even as heavily manipulated data show far below model estimate slight increases. The crisis is manufactured, the science is never settled, and the catholic church has, once again, taken on the flat earth approach in exchange for power over the people. Enough whore of Babylon. Your days are numbered and your crimes many – judgement will be swift and you shall drown in a river of your own making, filled to overflowing with lies and hypocrisy. No New World Order. Lucifer is NOT God.
Judgement begins in the pulpit.
“But what does this have to do with the Church?
The Church has a responsibility to care for people, and the environment. And care for one is also care for the other.”
Under this rationale, there is no subject, ideology, or political issue that the Catholic Church cannot interfere with or participate in. This line of thinking effectively erases the distinction between the secular and the sacred.
I’m just guessing, but I would venture that there aren’t many Catholic Priests who are contributing members of this forum. If there are, and they do, I’d bet they won’t be Priests long. Aren’t ‘Science’ and the Church mutually exclusive?
Nothing the Church teaches can be tested by experiment (by definition). And nothing shown to be fact by science can be accepted by the Church because then it doesn’t depend on a God.
NW sage wrote “I’m just guessing…”
What a surprise.
“but I would venture that there aren’t many Catholic Priests who are contributing members of this forum.”
You would but cannot quite bring yourself to do it? Anyway, your venture is likely true depending on what you mean by “many”.
“If there are, and they do, I’d bet they won’t be Priests long.”
You would, but since Catholic priests might be made of sterner stuff, perhaps you won’t bet.
“Aren’t ‘Science’ and the Church mutually exclusive?”
Yes, they are not. Each occupies its own domain but some overlap exists. The bible says “let there be light” and science says “light exists” but offers not much of an explanation how it started.
“Nothing the Church teaches can be tested by experiment (by definition).”
Well that depends on which church. Mormons teach that tobacco is harmful; it appears this claim can and has been tested by experiment. But you are correct as to many moral principles of right and wrong. Such things cannot be tested by experiment.
“And nothing shown to be fact by science can be accepted by the Church because then it doesn’t depend on a God.”
This is the weakest part of your argument which is weak throughout. Science says gravity exists; you seem to be saying “the church” cannot accept gravity. What you have not shown is that gravity does or does not depend on a God, and what that God might be. Perhaps he is a gravity-making God and the existence of gravity is proof of gravity-making gods.
If this is true, I am totally done with the Catholic Church , now they have been infiltrated by the political left !
This is complete BS!
It’s sad that now to become a Catholic priest you must sell your soul to Satan.
may as well. the catholic churches have been getting emptier and poorer for the last forty years….anybody to preach anything to would be better than it is.
Global Warming:. It’s the SUN Stupid!!
Jack Chick’s unhappiness continues. As Hilaire Belloc said, few people hate the Church; they hate the fiction they have been told is the Church.
Catholics, do what many congregations have done for centuries and break free of the Vatican State. Give unto the Caesar Pope that which is his and give yourselves to the Lord.
Thank you for covering this. For those interested here is a full CHRONOLOGY OF QUOTES AND HEADLINES OF FALSE POPE FRANCIS – He has claimed Jesus never ‘multiplied’ the fish and loves, but instead it was all about ‘sharing’, that ‘lost souls’ are not punished, and that Jesus ‘begged’ Mary and Joseph for ‘forgiveness’.
https://thewildvoice.org/pope-francis-chronology-perspective/
Habemus Papam a Malo
And anyone who says the earth is round will be excommunicated!
Wrong. “Man caused global warming” is a lie, a fraud, a fake. Nothing you say will change that FACT.
Bingo, I’ve pointed that our 1,000x times. Once again, this is a science. CO2’s only way to affect temperature and/or climate is by absorbing 13 to 18µ IR Radiation. That is the only defined mechanism by which CO2 can cause climate change temperature increase. There is no mechanism by which CO2 can do anything but increase temperature. It traps heat, that is it. 13 to 18µ is consistent with a black body of temperature -80°C. Any real scientist would then focus on the parts of the globe where the impact of CO2 can be isolated. Basically, all factors need to be controlled for except for CO2. That is how a real scientist would do an experiment. A real scientist would study the parts of the globe closest to -80°C and where there is extremely dry air. By focusing on areas near -80°C you are isolating the IR wavelengths attributed to CO2 absorption. By focusing on very very dry air you remove H20, isolating the impact of CO2. That is how a real scientist would construct an experiment to measure the impact of CO2 on the atmospheric CO2. Those conditions are present at the S Pole. Here are the results. There is absolutely zero warming in the S Pole going all the way back to 1957. CO2 has greatly increased, and trapping IR between 13 to 18µ has led to zero warming. Do you have any evidence nighttime temperatures in the deserts have been increasing? I’ve never seen any that controls for H2O.
http://c3headlines.typepad.com/.a/6a010536b58035970c019b034e608b970c-pi
http://www.john-daly.com/stations/amundsen.gif
Man-made global warming is a diabolical hoax.
The Pope claims to be the personal representative of the creator of the universe and to be infallible when speaking ‘ex cathedra’. He is either a charlatan or totally bonkers.
The Pope is (allegedly) infallible when speaking ex cathedra ON MATTERS OF FAITH AND MORALS. Even by that formula, when the Pope speaks on secular matters (on political issues, for example), he’s just offering another single, individual, and all-too-human opinion.
Then why do they call it climate change instead of global warming. Answer because it’s a lie
U.S.Catholics. Time to sit on this Pope. He is a hard lefty from Argentina. Argentina is
split about 50/50 politically but they just took a hard turn to the right. (Their survival depended upon it.)
Similar to our recent election. We are all conservationists. Beyond that, Planet Worship is the only state
sponsored religion aside from Communism and they have very much in common.
Shameful. Glad I removed myself from the Roman Catholic Church years ago.
More fake news.
There is a serious coolong trend under way & people should be warned! Scan the internet for the truth.
There’s only one thing you have to remember about “climate change.” No matter what the weather does — t’s YOUR fault!
Let’s see who Trump picks as ambassador to the Vatican. It could get interesting.
Too bad Rudi Giuliani has taken himself out of consideration for administration positions.
Hold your horses just a moment, everyone! Nothing in the referenced article shows anything official at all from Rome on global warming. I will prove it.
1) There are no quotations from the Pontifical Academy of Sciences.
2) The word “pope”, as used in the referenced fake news article, is not capitalized, and anything coming from the Catholic Church that mentions the Pope will always capitalize his title of “Pope”.
3) The actual quote from the Dec. 7 document entitled “The Gift of the Priestly Vocation” is as follows:
“Protecting the environment and caring for our common home — the Earth, belong fully to the Christian outlook on man and reality. Priests should be promoters of an appropriate care for everything connected to the protection of creation.” I don’t see anything in that utterly non-controversial quote which states what you are implying.
4) Check this quote from the referenced article: “And care for one is also care for the other.” Where did the author learn English grammar? Anything coming from the Church is read, re-read, proofread, re-proofread, sent to a canon lawyer for approval, sent to a censor librorum to check the writing for doctrinal continuity in order to get what is called a “nihil obstat”, or permission to print in the name of the Church, then sent to a bishop for his Imprimatur. The above grammatical gem wouldn’t have gotten past step 2!
Now, it took me about 5 minutes of basic, simple research to find out that “California Network” is a group of probably well-intentioned college aged Catholic writers who do opinion pieces from a conservative Catholic perspective disguised as real journalism. They write on controversial topics attempting to elicit the kind of “outraged” responses I have been reading above, but it turns out to be much ado about nothing. Save your strength, everyone!
The Chicago Manual of Style recommends this style (which is consistent with the general style of capitalizing titles only when the name of the office-holder follows):
This third world Leftnut Pope will be gone soon, so the Church can return to its basic roots and its message. “Man caused global warming” is fake news, a scam, the Liberal crooked lie. The Pope should be ashamed to attach our church to this lie. Christ doesn’t approve of these lies.
The catholic Church has always been full of money grubbing liars….not really news
Carbon is the chemical basis of all life.
The hockey stick graph is a lie; the father of all lies is anti-life.
Too good to be true. Weather report right after the opening prayer. Update after second hymn and will end the service with a priest on standing on an interstate overpass doing a remote back to the congregation. Then again, what did you expect from a South American Socialist?
This pope needs to stick to religion and leave politics to others. He is a socialist through and through. He grew up in a socialist society and that’s all he knows.
Prior to WWII, Argentina had the largest gold reserves in the world, then along came Peron, who studied the political movements in Germany and Italy. He was most impressed that they could make trains run on time, something never achieved in South America. He and his cronies looted the national treasury, with the complicity of the RC church, and today Argentine is on the path to becoming a Venezuelan-type utopia.
He’s just doing what socialists do……….
Fake News — No one “tells” a priest what to say in his homilies — Popes nor Bishops — Person that wrote this doesn’t have a clue/
I checked with Zenit and VIS and I could not find any Vatican authority who said this. I don’t think Eric Worrall checked his sources. Look what he has done… by repeating fake news…
This is what happens when lies are propagated.
Paul,
You obviously did a poor job of checking. It’s not a lie just because you couldn’t find the actual guidelines:
http://www.clerus.va/content/dam/clerus/Ratio%20Fundamentalis/The%20Gift%20of%20the%20Priestly%20Vocation.pdf
Relevant section is copied below, in my reply to Osvaldo, and one of the many sources with the link to the guidelines is farther down.
Please be more thorough before casting false aspersions against posters here.
No. The Pope is not quoted in the links you provided. CHUMP They are general guidelines.
Fake news…
Just like the fake news about Galileo saying “yet it moves” fake news to stir up the willfully ignorant and the lying detractors.
“We are called to be stewards of creation.”
Here is their greatest opportunity to be great stewards:
“Here is the shocking news. If humans had not begun to unlock some of the carbon stored as fossil fuels, all of which had been in the atmosphere as CO2 before sequestration by plants and animals, life on Earth would have soon been starved of this essential nutrient and would begin to die. Given the present trends of glaciations and interglacial periods this would likely have occurred less than 2 million years from today, a blink in nature’s eye, 0.05% of the 3.5 billion-year history of life.”
http://www.thegwpf.org/patrick-moore-should-we-celebrate-carbon-dioxide/
Their new papal edict ought to be, “Burn baby. Burn!”
Is this pure ignorance on the part of The Vatican’s Pontifical Academy of Sciences, or just more of their dogmatic hypocrisy?
This is a lie.
For those paying attention, in the 70’s, the talk among climatologists was global cooling – the coming ice age. In the mid-to-late 80’s the same group suddenly flipped to warming. Since then, there have been regular predictions of a flooded New York, or massive increase in tornadoes and hurricanes. Not one of these predictions has ever come true.
There are many scientists that do not agree with the idea that manmade global warming is happening. It has been warmer in the past with lower levels of CO2, and cooler with higher levels of CO2. This alone should give any rational person pause. This is science – dissent is part of the process.
Since the specter of sanctioning those who do not toe the line with government-funded dogma can be directly compared to burning disbelievers at the stake, one can see history repeating itself. This Spanish Inquisition we do see coming.
Climate Change, formerly discredited Global Cooling and Global Warming, is a theory at odds with fundamental doctrines of the Catholic Church. Catholicism teaches God is all-knowing and all-powerful. Therefore, God can and does control the universe. An all-knowing God could not create a flawed Earth that could be thrown into climate chaos by cows farting or humans burning fossil fuels. The God of Pope Francis is a a victim of his own creation.@#
creation god that powerless to control his own creation.
That’s in violation of the Church and the State , religion vs. politics. Church is in violation by speaking out about political topics.
There is no such restrictions on Churches in the United States. Religious people are as free to speak on any topic as anyone else….so far. Lefties are working hard to change that. The problem with this tragic position the Church has taken is that it is not only wrong, it is going to damage the Church and the larger world.
This is extremely sad. We enter yet another sad period in the history of Christ church where the leadership has decided to drag the church down into man made politics. Yes the church is concerned with the welfare of mankind. No doubt. However so are the people who audit this so called science. Common sense is that people on both sides of the discussion do not want a global travesty.
The current Church is absolutely incorrect in their rhetorical statement regarding disinformation in the seventies. What has been discuss since the seventies and continues to be discussed is where is the proof of the science?
Science is very straight forward. In order for a theory to be considered a fact and scientific law it must satisfy a few basic tests. A theory must be based on sound theory that does not violate the natural laws. Second it must be verified by test and the test must be repeatable and independently verified, and there must be a consensus of the results. Global warning fails these basic criteria.
There does not exist a paper or test or set of repeatable test data that validate the specific correlation that the warming of the earth that started in the 1970 has been “significantly” impacted by human activity.
In fact in the last 10 years most of the papers and data sets have been shown to be inaccurate in predication, inconsistent, non-repeatable, nor independently verifiable. In fact many have been shown to have been fudged which resulted in the name change from global warming to climate change which can mean anything. This is not disinformation. Just read the papers and reviews of the papers.
The 99% consensus headline was generated by a ridiculous exercise of searching papers with search words that made any paper a consensus.
We simply do not understand the relationship of the weather to the oceans, clouds and sun activity. If we did you daily, weekly, monthly, and yearly weather forecasts would be accurate. Think about it.
This movement of politicizing science has done great harm to many of the less fortunate of Gods children around the world. Billions of dollars are being diverted from the worlds people via taxes each year and spent to support the “Global science complex” and policies of politicians which demands ever increasing control over societies to gain and maintain power. Politicians do not act in Gods interest but there own as the history of man has repeatedly demonstrated . The diverted funds, or at least a significant portion of them, could and should be used to support the poorest among us to secure the basics of food, shelter, education, and opportunities in the poorest areas of the world while the “science” matures. We do have limited resources and should use them widely. I am sure Mother Theresa would agree with me.
This notion Global warming as a tactic of global de-growth and global socialism is very dangerous due to the nature of man as imperfect and susceptible to the sins of greed of power and money (aka Politicians)
If the Church wanted to be consistent in a global message at the time of the celebration of chirst birth it could have significantly more impact by teaching all of us to conserve so we can share and serve others who have less then we do. Basically, you get no points in the eyes of Christ by paying taxes to a politicians (Caesar) in a uncompassionate effort to do your work in name of your faith (Temple). You must make it a personnel sacrifice and take action to help others in order to walk in the footpath of Christ.
Sola Scriptural.
Great way to get ppl to bring tomatoes into church on Sundays. Then when Fr. Dip$hit starts babbling on about global warming, he will get pelted with tomatoes. Just as he deserves.
It’s finally come full circle. Those of us who have equated the CAGW movement as a religion rather than a science (and been derided) have achieved a most perfect vindication.
The more the people pay in taxes and higher costs due to regulations, the less they will have to donate to the church. Worse yet, it teaches people to turn to the Government to solve problems, not the church. I’m beginning to think this new Pope is a Trojan Horse.
Hey Pope, as a catholic I would ask you get out of the global warming issue! It is false and you should not be advocating for a false theory. Stop being a lighting rod for theories that most of us Catholics do not believe are true.
This is very disheartening, as was Pope Francis’s shared belief that maybe half of all married couples are in nonfunctional or maybe even spurious nonvalid unions.
With regards to weather patterns, as I understand it, it is the global freezing, I mean warming, I mean climate change alarmist that have been caught more than once fraudulently “cooking the books” so as to make the data fit their narrative. The data does not fit their erroneous assumptions and so they refer to a consensus of scientific opinion. Since when does science need a vote. Likewise why be suprised that a scientist might affirm a climate change phenomena that he also claims needs investigation and funding when he by the way will be the tax payer funded paid investigator or director of the institution that will allegedly be looking into it and getting to the bottom of it. Naturally the bottom is never found but the need for another study will certainly be acertained. I believe this is just the latest guise to implement socialism. Just as the courts are used to obtain what the ballot box will not produce in a free exchange or dialogue of ideas, this so called dirty carbon footprint nonsense allows the government to regulate commerce as well as pick winners and losers and fashion we the people into any creative shape or form they desire. With this kind of established authority or power in the name of saving the planet, oppose them in anything they desire and they tax or steal from you everything and anything that you own.
The church should not be so gullible so as to be used so easily by the children of darkness. When there exists a universal and open declared war on the unborn and at the same time these alarmist claim Cabon dioxide is so damaging to our precious and so fragile outersphere, a bell should ring.
Man made climate change is the great sham of our age (also called the great money grab). The skeptical scientists, who have been so vilified, have common sense and truth on their side. What’s in it for Eric Worrall and this Pope? Or are they just that gullible?
The pope is a dope. Pope John Paul II must be turning over in his grave seeing the actions of the current communist pope. It should now be called the Roman Communist Church.
Foolish things shall confound the wise. It is easy to get angry and self righteous and make things worse. The Pope is only human (not an antichrist) and it is quite possible that he has the science or even the politics wrong, but the essence of the message totally right. Time for some humility and searching for common ground.
I am a proud Catholic (recently returned after years of searching), a failed scientist (could not play the game), a climate change sceptic and a long term follower of Anthony and his blog.
I beg to differ with you sir. The Pope needs to practice some humility. Do you not remember that he met in secret with President Obama to revise foreign policy on Cuba. Since when does a Pope insert himself into the revision or development of American foreign policy. And do it in secret behind the backs of the American people. He like Obama has nothing but contempt for the United States. He like Obama is a communist. He is also a globalist. These are idolatrous concepts and beliefs in direct opposition to the bible and Catholicism. Stop apologizing for this imposter. And I would advise you to read “The Alta Vendita: The Freemasonic Subversion and Destruction of the Catholic Church,” and the encyclicals on Freemasonry written by Pope Leo and Pope Gregory. The Pope has lost his popularity in the United States.
Trust in God Allmhuran, It is not up to you to run the Church, Jesus has it covered. Keep your eyes on God not the freemasons or communists. (This may be appropriate: Do not do what they do, but do what they say!).
So I looked for an alternative news source to verify the article by Eric Worrall.
All I could find was an article by Marshall Connolly, of a private US based site catholic.org.
Catholic Online, and catholic.org does not speak for the Pope. I don’t believe it has any connection with the catholic church other than people who work there may refer to themselves as catholic.
I checked with Vatican Information Services, and I could not verify this news.
Eric? Is this verified or is this fake news.Have you any other source?
Among many other sources:
https://www.ncronline.org/news/vatican/vatican-updates-guidelines-educating-priests
The new guidelines themselves:
http://www.clerus.va/content/dam/clerus/Ratio%20Fundamentalis/The%20Gift%20of%20the%20Priestly%20Vocation.pdf
CONGREGATION FOR THE CLERGY
The Gift of the Priestly Vocation
Ratio Fundamentalis Institutionis Sacerdotalis
L’OSSERVATORE ROMANO
VATICAN CITY, 8 DECEMBER 2016
Father Guido Sarducci’s Five Minute University:
No. The Pope is not quoted in the links you provided. CHUMP They are general guidelines.
Fake news…
Just like the fake news about Galileo saying “yet it moves” fake news to stir up the willfully ignorant and the lying detractors.
‘CHUMP’ I love it! Now that will be three Hail Marys for the both of us Paul!
You heard about Jesus’ reaction when he read the headline on the Drudge Report? He exclaimed, “What political nonsense will my followers think of next at the Vatican?”
The Opposite is True – The Government is funding the “science” of global warming. The email scandal between scientists recently exposed the corruption as a ploy to get federal funding for more research.
Francis’ Liberation Theology was literally a Communist plot:
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/former-soviet-spy-we-created-liberation-theology-83634/
And anyone still insisting that the Earth moves will be excommunicated.
When the Catholic church gets involved with junk science, nothing goods has comes out of it. I see another official Vatican apology coming in 100 years.
When the Catholic church gets involved with junk science, nothing goods has come out of it. I see another official Vatican apology coming in 100 years.
That would be an improvement upon the 400 years for Galileo.
Chimp writes “I see another official Vatican apology coming in 100 years.”
Alas, neither you nor I will be here to see if your soothsaying is any better than anyone else’s.
Mike Herman writes “I see another official Vatican apology coming in 100 years.”
That’s a safe bet that neither you nor I will ever collect. It’s like predicting global warming consequences 100 years in the future.
Oh my save the whales, save the snails, save the trees, save the seas, save the worms, save the germs and let’s carbon tax all those greedy capitalists into bankruptcy for the greater glory of Gaia and one world government under the United Nations.
I was excommunicated from the Church of GLO-BULL Warming by the Holy Father Al Gore for Climate Change heresy.
When you control for all other factors, and isolate the impact of CO2, this is what you get. There are real problems with this “science,”
Bravo
Ever notice it’s ALWAYS:
♠ The Central Bankers
♠ The Wall Street Bankers
♠ The Religious Bankers
♠ The One-World-Government
♠ The Globalists
♠ The Super-Elite
♠ Tthe Eyes-Wide-Shut mother effers that are ALWAYS shoving GLOBAL COOLING/WARMING/CHANGE down our freakin’ throats?!!!!!
♠♠♠FAKE NEWS ALERT♠♠♠
THEY’RE ALL LIARS!!!!
THEY ALL WANT US TO LIVE IN SLUMS!!!!!
PUT THEM ALL ON TRIAL FOR CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY!!!!!
End the Fed
Jail the Central Bankers
Death to the New World Order
This left wing demagogue Pope will destroy the Catholic Church. Whatever he says I am not only against but will do all I can to thwart. He’s a commie through and through.
“Manufacture the illusion of dissent”? How about the dissent is real. Is the Catholic Church a dissent denier? Let’s ask the folks in Canada, eh.
For those who think a socialist Pope is a new phenomenon.
I am afraid that, from my teens, I have regarded the catholic church as a bastion of evil.
Will burning at the stake be back to ‘teach’ catholics climate rightiousness?
Better that a marxist Pope direct the churches enormous wealth towards the genuine poor and disadvantaged.
Never again should free men lower their heads before this evil organisation
Marxism and Pope-ism simply don’t go together. … appears to be something wrong with the Church’s hierarchy!
See NOAA sea level data-No change in level trend back to mid 1800s-No ice cap melt=No warming. https://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sltrends/sltrends_station.shtml?stnid=8518750
This so-called steward on earth, the pope, s/b talking about “God’s Kingdom Come” not global warming… This really confirms the Vatican is a political organization masquerading as an earthly steward of the One God Yahweh and His Son Jesus, Mankind’s King and Savior… Think of it… what does global warming have to do with God’s Kingdom Come and being saved? Correct NOTHING!
“The Vatican’s Pontifical Academy of Sciences is the world’s oldest, longest running scientific mission. That body, which advises the pope on matters of science, has concluded that global climate change is real and is caused, at least in significant part, by human activity.”
If the Church is going to espouse a political position then they should give up their tax exempt status and register as a political entity.
Isn’t the “Pontifical Academy of Science the same group that said he was “vehemently suspect of heresy”,?
They don’t have to. Noting in the Constitution says that religious organizations (churches) can’t also take political stands. What good would they be if they didn’t teach how to interact with the body politic (everybody) hold the authorities to account?
Sister maria “From the moment of conception we became eternal children of God” So when your are conceived your a catholic? Then why baptism and confirmation? Appears that you need to go reread your doctrine. john tex
As a Catholic priest of 35 years. I grew up with parents, a community, religious sisters who in the 1950s taught us a healthy respect for thd environment. As kids we were taught to waste things was sinful, to throw trash on the ground, or leave lights on unnecessarily, etc. We were green before it was popular. Today I see, with all our education a deep lack of respect among many people, entitlement leads to waste. Look at the hollywood elites, who rail about it and fly private jets, cruse in big yachts, multiply cars, etc.As global warming goes, the verdict is confused, as a Catholic priest I’m far more concerned with warning people about the dangers of Eternal Warming… and how to avoid it.
thread winner!
Here we go again. The new Crusades. Heaven help the unbelievers. The Catholic church recently kicked out a pope to replace him with this guy? Perhaps because of his milquetoast stance on the this subject? I know the church has been losing converts, and is having a hard time competing with 72 virgins, but trying to build their membership by taking orders from the very atheists (spelled GLOBALISTS) they say they are in business to save, seems like a sure road to perdition.
History tells us about a time when a consensus of scientists agreed that the earth was the center of the universe, and all things revolved around it. Excommunication, forfeiture of property, prison, torture, and death awaited the heretics who dared to question the Holy exclamations. Unbelievers! Repent!
Read the document from the Vatican! Of course it says no such thing. This story is simply not true. Priests are not “required to preach gobal warming”! Please inform yourself from the sources. The Church does not teach anything that’s stupid. Christ taught nothing that’s stupid. You should know better, but at least it’s not too late for you. God bless.
Just another reason for non-catholics to look at catholic priests as preaching church doctrine over Christianity.
Not once did anything in quotes state anything about climate change. As Catholics we should care for the environment. Recycle, cut down on smog, throw your trash away, keep toxic waste from seeping into the earth. This is just more fake news. Please don’t believe everything this left wing media tells you. If you want to know what the Pope actually says without the spin go to the Vatican web site.
What happened to GOD? It was my understanding that HE was responsible for creating the Universe and, of course, the Earth. Logically it should be assumed that HE knows about the dangers associated with an overabundance of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere; surely then HE has a plan to manage the situation.
Sam Dennis asks “What happened to GOD?”
Nothing.
“It was my understanding that…”
As you have seen, many different understandings exist.
The article starts with a lie- a dangerous slanderous lie- that there was a “disinformation campaign” by the US Government and oil companies to “cover up global warming”. This is categorically false. The opposite is true. And once again we see climate extremists projecting their guilty tactics on to their designated villains. The reality is that the climate extremists have covered up the lack of a climate crisis. That my Church and Pope are participating in this lie is deeply troubling on many levels.
Talk about the uninformed preaching to the choir! These noble individuals need to stay out of politics and environmental issues. They do not know what they are talking about and by perpetrating this this lie and hoax, they dishonor and denigrate the church. Shame on them all!
Umm, the Apostolic Church might want to examine which exacerbates more the plight of the poor– net cold or net warmth. Also, please consider the science undergirding this policy, and how IT was fraudulently manipulated by the likes of the Climate Research Unit at East Anglia University.
This is why after 60 years I am leaving/have left the Catholic Church.
Read the document from the Vatican! Of course it says no such thing. This story is simply not true. Priests are not “required to preach gobal warming”! Please inform yourself from the sources. The Church does not teach anything that’s stupid. Christ taught nothing that’s stupid. You should know better, but at least it’s not too late for you. God bless.
Go to the Green Party’s web site….a controlling socialist organization. It’s all about controlling how you live, where you live and paying for it through carbon taxes. Do your research….it’s all nonsense.
Exactly right!…… U.N. official Ottmar Edenhofer, co-chair of the IPCC Working Group III, admitted what’s behind the climate issue: “One must say clearly that we redistribute de facto the worlds wealth by climate policy. One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore.”
Note: Just wondering if Pope Francis will be redistributing the Vatican’s wealth?
Nuts on steroids or maybe opioids
What happened to the 17,000 victims of sex abuse in the church? This is more urgent than preaching protection of the creation. How about protection of children from bad priests?
http://www.bishop-accountability.org/AtAGlance/data.htm
Dr. Strangelove writes “What happened to the 17,000 victims of sex abuse in the church?”
Perhaps they were subjected to strange love.
“How about protection of children from bad priests?”
I do not understand “how about” questions.
There was a time when the Catholic church was a religious organization not a liberal, political one. I walked away from the oppressive atmosphere years ago.
As a lifelong Catholic, this communist pope is the last straw. I can no longer consider the Church to be any part of my life. John Paul II was the last pope I respected although Benedict wasn’t a communist, he wasn’t even close to the man Karol Wojtyla was even before he became Pope John Paul II. Francis is a tool of the leftists and is causing a mass exodus of lifelong Catholics such as myself because we are not interested in becoming “progressive”. Global warming is the biggest fraud ever and has been used as a club to rob the American middle class and enrich the cronies of the political class. It’s nothing but a tool to rob American taxpayers blind. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS GLOBAL WARMING. Period.
Blasphemy!
Take this report with a large grain of salt. Any statement by the church instantly exposes hatred (see the replies) which are essentially unrelated to the topic.
Priests are taught, down in their blood, to care for people; it is the basic command of their God. They know nothing about climatology (except perhaps one or two scientists. The Pope taught Chemistry, he maybe one.) He has ordered his shepherds to get smarter on the scientific conflict. With the change in US Presidents and Congress, we all will learn more.
But the basic command, love one another stands rock hard, for Trump, the Pope, every priest and each person on earth.
I just don’t get it. What does the Catholic Church want to accomplish? Will the Bingo money go to developing alternative fuels? What is the objective? People should welcome higher costs and taxes? People should turn to the Government, not the Church for salvation? Just what is the objective?
Well, I see the anti-Catholic bigots are out in force. While you are counting dead bodies,
you have forgotten the SIXTY FIVE MILLION BABIES THAT HAVE BEEN MURDERED BY YOU “PRO CHOICE” BUTCHERS SINCE ROE V WADE!
Popes generally claim divine guidance. Maybe so. But THIS Pope gets his guidance from communists.
The Catholic Church is known to be the Mother Church to all Christian Churches by its own. The Bible calls it the Mother of Harlot’s, Harlot’s being all the other churches that sprang out of it over the decades.
Christ told them to preach the Gospel. The ” Good News” of salvation, not worshipping the Creation or “creature” which is what they are doing. He also told believers/followers to take nothing but the cloths on their back in service to Christ. Catholic Church lives in luxury having no need or want.
The Catholic Church is far removed from the mission, as seen upon visiting the USA, and taking no issue with the depravity/sin coming out of the Obama administration virtually condoning abomination.
Fortunately, we individually can rest in the peace that is in Christ, that God knows what He is going by allowing these things, free will, so in the end, at Judgement, no one will be excused and all will be held appropriately acountable.
God bless.
Dominus go friskum…..
frisk-’em?
The Church and science don’t have a great history- it took them 350 years to admit they were wrong and apologize for condemning the scientist Galileo for his theory the the earth was not the center of the universe. 99% of scientists thought the earth was the center of the universe and the Church considered it heresy to suggest otherwise. I am with the 1% that think it’s the sun, not man that impacts climate and there are a few predicting a period of cooling- winter is coming! We are entering a minimum that will peak in 2030
In other posts about the Pope and Laudato si encylical, the excuses from defenders flowed along the lines that it was just an opinion and not much more. Now what is the excuse?
Oh, we’re in big trouble now, because when God signs off on it, then that’s the end of the story. Just add another book to the Bible — call it The Book Of Carbon. Climatology, thus, securely establishes itself as a subdivision of theology.
Please study The Book of Revelation and you will know exactly who the Vatican really is: The whore of Babylon.
Okay, let’s start with the donation of all Catholic owned property to the Green Party and conservation causes. Let’s see how that works out before moving to step two.
The linked article is not a reliable news piece. The church document says nothing specific that i could find about agw.I’m not going to read all 91 pages, but from what i did read, it seems to take only the very uncontroversial position that caring for the environment is a moral obligation and, as such, proper for instruction. The writer, however, misleads readers by claiming that the document “suggests” priests spread the dogma of global warming. In fact, that is only the writer’s inference–unsurpassedly, since activists universally mistake their opinions for facts.
Unsurprisingly
The Church should steer well clear of scientific pronouncements. As I said in a comment to the original story, “If your aim is to cast doubt on the Church’s mission and undermine its moral authority, by all means, drag it into the materialistic arena of scientific disputes, where compassion is an artifact of natural selection and faith is for fools. Anyone who does not understand that has no business questioning the motives of skeptics.”
New World Order Pope doing all he can to scare the $h!t out of what few sheep the Child Rapists Church has left!!!
Burn in hell, you Church of Evil!!!!!
Not surprising, the heyday of the Catholic Church was Medieval times.
So much misinformation and slander against the Catholic Church above…most coming from people who should know better. Suffice it to say the enemies of the Church will always latch onto some tidbit or another, whether based in truth or not, to wield as a weapon against the Church. Well, you will find it a sad day when at the end you come to find out it was Jesus Christ Himself you were attacking.
The Church is holy because Jesus Christ is holy, not because sinners cling to Him for salvation. It is said even a saint falls seven times a day, meaning even they, at some level, still have the effects of the seven deadly sins in them. Everyone on this earth from the pope on down to the most earnest saint, is beset by sin, evil inclinations, and concupiscence of the flesh. It would behoove you all to come down out of the tree and acknowledge only Jesus Christ is holy, none of you are.
And yet the RCC calls itself christian while denying Biblical Justification? i think you need to read the RCC Council of Trent Canons to see this….
CANON 9: “If any one saith, that by faith alone the impious is justified; in such wise as to mean, that nothing else is required to co-operate in order to the obtaining the grace of Justification, and that it is not in any way necessary, that he be prepared and disposed by the movement of his own will; let him be anathema.”
“Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,” (Rom. 5:1).
Good to see we got plenty of 400 year old anti-catholic propaganda in this thread. How about we look at what REALLY happened:
Galileo had to do only ONE thing if he wanted to teach heliocentrisim as a fact: Prove it was true.
I bet the peddlers of that myth didn’t tell you all that, did they?
In his day there were two SCIENTIFIC objections that were fatal to heliocentrisim.
1. If the earth is moving, why don’t we feel it moving?
Newtonian physics, which answered that objection, wouldn’t be around for another 50 years. There was no satisfactory answer in Galileo’s day.
2. If the Earth moves around the sun, we should observe stellar parallax. How do you account for the lack of this observed stellar parallax?
Stellar parallax wasn’t successfully observed until the 19th century. Nobody then had any reason to believe the universe was as big as we now know it to be.
Galileo could answer neither of these objections. Objections raised by his fellow scientists.
Want to know what Galileo thought was his BEST evidence? The tides, because the earth going around the sun caused all the water in the oceans to slosh around. (Yes, really.)
So Galileo not only couldn’t prove heliocentrisim, he then goes and insults the Pope in print for siding with the science of the day. (Go look up “Galileo and Simplico”.)
Now the Pope at the time was not only personal friends with Galileo, Galileo’s research and teaching was funded by the church. Did they come down on him a bit hard? Probably. That happens though when you backstab your biggest allies while peddling unproven theories as facts.
Threaten an old man with torture until he recants and put him under house arrest for the rest of his life have nothing to do with scientific inquiry. People who condone these acts in the name of science are sadistic and have no sense of human rights.
Dr. Strangelove says “… and have no sense of human rights.”
Agreed. Human rights, whatever exactly that is, is a fairly recent invention. I doubt it existed in the 1600’s.
I also doubt you could define them.
Roughly speaking human rights is the right to life, liberty, property and the pursuit of happiness. The term “human rights” is relatively new but the concept is ancient and certainly known in the 1600s. The laws of ancient civilizations recognized these rights at least for free citizens. Murder, assault, stealing were considered crimes because they violate these rights.
It is bizarre that anybody would interpret the conclusion of a scientific research (right or wrong) as an insult to the pope. Unless he/she believes the pope is infallible and every word he utters is eternally true and any expression of dissent is a mortal sin that must be punished severely. I’m sure Galileo was right and the pope wrong but I’m not sure if this is the teaching of the church or an abuse of authority by the pope.
To answer the science part of history:
“Newtonian physics, which answered that objection, wouldn’t be around for another 50 years. There was no satisfactory answer in Galileo’s day.”
Wrong. Newtonian mechanics is based on the motion experiments of Galileo. Newton generalized Galileo’s discoveries. Newton’s law of inertia was known to Galileo and Newton’s law of acceleration was a generalization of Galileo’s law of falling bodies. Galileo could answer their objection but the theologians were not satisfied with his answer.
“Stellar parallax wasn’t successfully observed until the 19th century… So Galileo couldn’t prove heliocentrism”
If that was really the objection, how come heliocentrism was accepted in the 17th century at the time of Newton? Truth is Galileo need not prove heliocentrism because Kepler already proved it with Kepler’s laws of planetary motion published 14 years before Galileo was sentenced by the Inquisition in 1633.
What a lot of bigotry has been unleashed. Did you not notice the editorialising in this so called report?
The document referred to in the article is ‘The Gift of the Priestly Vocation’ produced by the Congregation for the Clergy. The relevant section (172) states:
““For some time now, experts and researchers, active in different fields of study, have turned their attention to the emerging planetary crisis, which is reflected strongly in the current Magisterium regarding the “ecological question”. Protecting the environment and caring for our common home—the Earth—belong fully to the Christian outlook on man and reality…. Therefore, it will be necessary for future priests to be highly sensitive to this theme and, through the requisite Magisterial and theological guidance, helped to “acknowledge the appeal, immensity and urgency of the challenge we face”. This must then be applied to their future priestly ministry, making them promoters of an appropriate care for everything connected to the protection of creation.”
I have no idea who ‘California Network’ are and Eric Worrall is completely unforthcoming in terms of any enlightenment. The link he provides is of no help in terms of knowing anything about the author, Marshall Connolly, or ‘California Network’. However, in the hands of Marshall Connolly the above section becomes:
“New priests to learn about global warming as part of formation”
and
“The new guidelines suggest that in the future, priests will also have a good grasp of the global climate change problem and will share this with their congregation.”
In the hands of Eric Worrall, this becomes,
“Catholic Church: New Priests Will be Expected to Preach Global Warming”
This is what you get when people rely on other people’s reporting for their “knowledge” of the truth. Fake news, indeed.
The terms ‘global warming’ and climate change’ do not appear ANYWHERE in the original document.
But gullible people believe anything they are told of it supports their prejudices and a simple description of the facts is of no interest when biases and prejudices are at stake.
I am a big fan of Wattsupwiththat. However, the level of sheer stupidity shown by some of these anti Catholic comments is truly frightening. I thought that people who valued evidence and truth hung out here. What we find is a bunch of raving atheist lunatics, who have zero grasp of history, zero grasp of religion, and no qualms about displaying outrageous bias.
So sick of sheer naked stupidity posing as scientific atheism. You are just mocking jerks, you have nothing to do with science. Shameful to anyone who values truth and history.
You obviously hate atheists but can you cite specific comments here promoting atheists and atheism? Criticism of the catholic church is not promoting atheism. Catholicism is not the only religion on earth. Instead of hurling insults to atheists in general, it would be more productive to answer specific criticisms to enlighten everybody.
“doug December 11, 2016 at 12:39 pm
…who have zero grasp of history, zero grasp of religion,…
…Shameful to anyone who values truth…”
I will err on the side of experience and say you have no idea what you are talking about. I guess “doug” has never been at the receiving “end” of that “religion”, that “truth”. I know some who administered that “truth”, fortunately went to gaol. Christian brother indeed!
With the compliments of the season. to all.
http://www.eyeofthetiber.com/2016/03/11/breaking-the-remnant-newspaper-national-catholic-reporter-to-merge/
satire on Catholic news papers. ( by Catholics )
Cheer up enjoy Christmas in spite of yourselves…
Climate change is in effect an occult pagan religion. The RCC has no issue with this as the RCC itself is a pagan religion, despite it trying hard to look Christian…..
Its also worth noting for those who want to bother doing the digging, by way of proof, the RCC denies the foundational Christian tenet of faith in Christ alone for Justification , as outlined in the Council of Trent Canons , which I have confirmed are still valid church dogmas. As such, a roman church that effectively denies Jesus on one hand and calling itself christian on the other, is not to be trusted…..
I remember when the Church put this one guy on house arrest (back when she could do that), not for teaching science but rather for presenting his theory as Godly revelation. Sadly, the cult of Gaia has infiltrated the Church so much so that she’ll now teach the theory of man-made and accelerated climate change as fact and near-Godly revealed.
Seems the Church should put her bishops and priests pushing this on censure and house arrest. It’s one thing to state that a prominent theory has legs, it’s another to teach it as fact. The Churc won’t even define theistic evolution over straight creationism because it’s science theory either way so long as you don’t remove God from the equation.
An article By John L Allen on the Crux website, dated 10 December 2016
For many people in the developing world, the Catholic Church is the only voice of civil society that isn’t corrupt or driven by self-interest. It’s often the difference between people being fed or starving to death, or between being treated for their illnesses or dying of neglect.
Rather famously, in 2009 the late atheist pundit Christopher Hitchens and actor Stephen Fry squared off against British MP Ann Widdecombe and then-Archbishop, now Cardinal, John Onaiyekan of Abuja, Nigeria, in an Intelligence Squared debate in London over the proposition that “the Catholic Church is a force for good in the world.”
By consensus, Hitchens and Fry mopped the floor with the opposition.
Before the debate, members of the audience voted 678 to 1002 against the proposition, with 346 undecided; afterwards, the tally was 268 to 1876 against, with just 34 undecided, in what observers described as the largest landslide for one side of an argument in recent memory.
Auxiliary Bishop Robert Barron of Los Angeles, who spends a lot of time thinking about how to defend the faith in a secular milieu, looks back on that moment as a watershed – an object lesson, among other things, in how far behind the Church was (and in some ways still is) vis-à-vis skilled polemicists and “evangelists” such as Hitchens.
Among the other results of that night, it was a motive force for the birth of Catholic Voices, the most successful Church communications initiative of my adult lifetime. Co-founders Austen Ivereigh, a Crux contributing editor and papal biographer, and Jack Valero, U.K. spokesman for Opus Dei, were convinced by the night’s evidence that Pope Benedict XVI’s looming trip to the country would be a PR disaster if something wasn’t done.
I wasn’t there for the debate, though, as fate would have it, I was with Onaiyekan in Rome the day before he flew to London for the showdown. I had a strong sense it might not go well, since Onaiyekan, as an African, just had a hard time taking the topic seriously.
In his world, the Church is basically the only voice of civil society that isn’t corrupt or driven by self-interest. It’s often the difference between people being fed or starving to death, being treated for their illnesses or dying of neglect, and between children going to school or growing up trapped by illiteracy and ignorance.
Onaiyekan himself is an example of the point. He became a national hero in Nigeria in 2005 when he delivered a famous Christmas sermon essentially shaming Olusegun Obasanjo, a former general who ruled the country in the 1970s as a military dictator and as its elected president from 1999 to 2007, into not amending the constitution to give himself another term.
For people such as Onaiyekan, the claim that the Church is a force for good is basically a tautology, something so blindingly obvious that the idea it requires a defense just doesn’t compute.
All this comes to mind in light of an initiative by Catholic Relief Services, the overseas development arm of the U.S. bishops, to capture the work it does around the world in the form of a “photo of the month.”
This month’s image also comes from Nigeria, where CRS is helping to teach adults in 42,000 farming families how to read and write so they can access better seeds and fertilizers to increase their crop yields and family income.
That’s part of CRS’s broader commitment to Africa’s rising superpower, the most populous nation on the continent, where they put a special accent on empowering Nigerian women. Most of CRS’s savings and lending communities, intended to foster the growth of small businesses, are led and populated by women in the fields of agriculture, nutrition and health.
One such program is SMILE, intended to reduce infant mortality by supporting vulnerable children and caregivers. It’s targeted at household economic strengthening, food security, nutrition, child protection and health, and HIV, and by the end of the program in 2018, 500,000 children and 125,000 caregivers will have been reached.
CRS also runs a $170 million portfolio of anti-malaria programs, especially focused on children under five, in the Democratic Republic of Congo, Guinea, Niger, Nigeria, and Senegal. Given that there were 214 million cases of malaria worldwide in 2015 resulting in almost a half-million deaths, 90 percent of which were in Africa, that’s no small thing.
CRS is also involved in the USAID “Feed the Future Nigeria Livelihoods Program” (FTFNLP), which uses a system of peers and influential leaders to improve agricultural livelihoods and nutrition. Through it, CRS trained 139 Community Health Extension Workers to provide counseling in 2015. They have reached over 195,000 individuals with health and nutrition messages.
On another front, CRS is helping a small number of vulnerable children attend a Catholic school in northeastern Nigeria. They’re paying their school fees and buying materials such as notebooks, pens, uniforms, and so on, and these are children affected by Boko Haram violence.
In turn, Nigeria is merely one among 90 countries in Africa, the Middle East, Asia, Latin America and Eastern Europe where CRS is active, serving a grand total of 130 million people with no distinction whatsoever in terms of religion, gender, ethnicity or social class.
The scope of CRS’s commitment is awesome – more than 5,000 employees around the world and a total budget of almost three-quarters of a billion dollars.
Pulling back even further, CRS is one of the major players, but hardly the only one, in the broader Caritas Internationalis network, meaning the federation of 165 national-level Catholic charities active in 200 countries and territories worldwide.
For Catholics aware of that staggering investment in serving the most vulnerable and marginalized around the world, the idea that the Church as a force for good requires some sort of apologia is almost self-parodying.
That, of course, is quite apart from the root conviction of believers such as Nigeria’s Onaiyekan that the Christian Gospel is the truth about humanity’s origins and destiny, and therefore proclaiming it to the world is, by definition, a good thing.
Perhaps what Catholic apologists today ought to consider is a “show, don’t tell” approach. Rather than slugging it out on principle with pundits such as Hitchens and Fry, they could simply stand back and let the CRS’s of the world tell the story.
To paraphrase Samuel Johnson, you think the Catholic Church isn’t a force for good in the early 21st century? Look at what CRS is doing in Nigeria, and in countless other spots around the world, and the most compelling answer may well be, “I refute it thus.”
https://cruxnow.com/analysis/2016/12/10/catholic-church-not-force-good-refute-thus/
This pope has lost his way. He wants to fight an imaginary unicorn, while ignoring the selling of baby parts. While the issue of Abortion is up to an individual, the position of the Catholic Church is unequivocal. He is ignoring the holocaust to focus on his unicorn.
“Catholic Church: New Priests Will be Expected to Preach Global Warming”
Thus proving conclusively that Global Warming is a religious belief.
BINGO! You get the prize for BEST comment of the day.
Thank you kindly starknakedtruth
Figures that “climate change” should wind up in the Holy Venue. In the total absence of any supporting hard evidence for the theory, it needs all the religious backing it can get.
Eric Worrall has not established that either Catholic Online or Catholic.org has anything to do with the leadership of of the catholic church.
If he can tell us who is managing these fake news sources the Eric Worrall is obligated to do so.
I emailed catholic.org and there was no response. Whois shows a shell front legal firm.
catholic.com is another private company who published their management, their address and their phone numbers. Same with USCCB which cites the vatican. But Eric Worrall did not cite or quote the Vatican or Catholic.com.
Rather he quoted catholic online and catholic.org. Fake news!
tell me Eric,
Is catholic.org yours? If not,then whose is it?
You made a pretty big deal about it, can’t you at least verify your source?
The deception that is perpetrated by the left to advance the lies in science and CAGW is what makes them so disgusting, now we have one of our own, who writes an anti-information piece… for what?
Get your facts straight.
Pope Francis may seem like a nice guy; but he’s either a fool when it comes to climate change, or he’s a manipulative monster. Read the same across the board when it comes to the rest of the Vatican. Point is, this kind of instruction is precisely what I would suspect a hierarchical, totalitarian organization would push after setting up investments to benefit from just such actions by their followers.
I was raised and confirmed as a Roman Catholic, but I no longer support the Church as an organization, and I don’t trust anyone over the level of local parish priest; and I strongly scrutinize whatever they might be saying for pushing agendas as instructed by their superiors.
The pope does NOT speak infallibly about climate science.
http://www.climatedepot.com
The Pope has only spoken “infallibly” twice in the history of the Church and both times it was on the subject of the Virgin Mary.