Friday Funny – some people just aren't clear on the concept of 'crime doesn't pay'

Get a load of this. We’ve all heard the usual hate-speech that climate skeptics should be “locked up” for having an alternate opinion.

But, did you ever think you’d see something as ridiculous as this in the NYT?

…inmates generally consume less than an average citizen in the country, so fewer prisoners might mean higher overall energy consumption.

Additionally, the money saved from reducing crime would go into the government’s budget and people’s pockets. All that money could be spent in other ways — infrastructure, buildings or goods — that may require more energy to produce or operate, possibly adding more greenhouse gases to the atmosphere.

The author, Tatiana Schlossberg, is the granddaughter of JFK

In other words, if we’re all locked up, that’s good! Smaller carbon footprint!! More criminals running free means more GHG’s. Perhaps this will quell the mentally aberrant thinking of California Governor Jerry Brown, who wants to release even more criminals -both violent and non-violent.

h/t to Marc Morano of Climate Depot

128 thoughts on “Friday Funny – some people just aren't clear on the concept of 'crime doesn't pay'

    • It’s more a case of forcing all avenues of perception through an ideological filter.
      Although there might not be much PRACTICAL difference.

    • Prisons are full of violent people and often are violent places too.
      The UK’s if not the world’s best known environmentalist greatly concerned about global warming is ‘the solution’ according to Dr Patricia Hasbach, of ecospychology practice NorthWest Ecotherapy in Oregan:
      ” Allowing inmates to watch nature videos cut violent incidents by 26 per cent”

      • Fascinating! Is this a temporary improvement or does it have a lasting effect?
        (Just kidding. I don’t care.)

      • I don’t think anyone, including Dave Attenborough, can stop violence in prions. Prions aren’t even as smart as viruses. There’s just no chance of that happening. Orson Scott Card wrote a very long treatment of the subject in his “Ender” series; prions are Djur, “capable of independent thought and action, but their mode of communication could not relay any meaningful information to the subject because the djur itself lacked the capacity for rational thought and self-awareness”.
        No help coming for Prions.

      • Hmmm. Didn’t ‘Sir’ Attenborough refer to humanity as a ‘plague’? Or was it a ‘pestilence’?
        Either way, this is part of the justification process for ‘getting rid of them all.’
        Or just 90% or so.
        As long as the rest of them don’t touch anything.

      • Well, giving distractions and mental stimulation reduces idle time and frustration. I can see how giving any sort of educational material could be beneficial to prison violence. Nature videos are probably a better choice than Breaking Bad reruns, but you could probably get a similar effect from musical theater.

      • I did not know that David A knew anything about stopping violence in prions. Prions are mis-folded proteins. I had not suspected them to be capable of violence, just disease. Does he mean violence among, between or in prions?

      • Must be a penguin. If it was an albatross it would fly away from that rude intruder.

      • Well some of the very best violence can be found in those Attenborough videos. From the smallest scale to the largest. His movies are full of sheer violence.

      • The inmates lost 26% interest in punching each other, and gained 126% interest in punching David Attenborough.

    • Think of the carbon savings if many people simply died – just the unimportant ones, of course, who do not contribute to the right party or at least provide muscle to scare and subdue the populace.
      It scares me that the (D)irtbags were talking about the unifying advantages of war or even alien invasion a few years ago, since then they’ve shut up and started getting all bellicose with Russia and China while aiding Iran’s pursuit of nukes and doing everything possible to stir civil wars in western countries.
      I think the wealth imbalance has reached a point where our rulers are not much interested in more money, they seek the luxuries of a less crowded world. And consider the advantages of Islamic/sharia law for those who are rich – it is a belief system well suited for oppression of the powerless.

    • Crime doesn’t pay.Hum,i think the term is relative to the illegal code making of the time,do you not.70% of code has a victim less target.War on drugs is a clear example of this.In truth Gov does not care one bit about crime.It gives the reason and there fore allows continued stealing by gov from the general populous.The greatest crime participation is by gov ,so by saying that crime does not pay ,the author chooses to ignore the benefactor of crime!In reality the freedom less society is the greatest crime of all and the the people as astute students of it’s propaganda machine to keep the status quo is like lying to one’s self for the benefit of paying out more tax.Does that not make you feel better about your self?

      • Obviously the reader hasn’t heard about criminal defence lawyers; or criminal lawyers which are about the same thing.
        Same gose for tax lawyers. If you can’t pay your taxes, who’s going to pay your tax lawyer; now just think about that for a bit.
        Who has an incentive to let you off with a discount to get you back in the tax trap.
        Now you don’t really believe that the IRS and the tax lawyer would be in cahoots do you ?
        That would seem to be improper, wouldn’t it ??

      • you made a great point, dew.
        it is a little bit advanced for the venue, though.
        they haven’t got what it takes to comprehend it.

    • Yr: “I’m convinced liberals are mentally ill.”
      Yeah, I’ve been kinda thinkin’ along those same lines ever since a recent perusal, by moi, of the ATTP blog in which the mysterious, tri-polar ANDERS/wotts/ATTP offered up two posts braggin’ about his most recent fossil-fueled vacation, complete with carbon-porn trophy-photos of the same–one of the posts even featuring a photo-spread, inter-weaved with a breathless, tryin’-to-be-a-regular-guy-but-not-quite-succeeding account of Anders’ quality-time, carbon-thrill adventure at an–sitting down?–airshow! (Google: “andthentheresphysics still on holiday”) , in which airplanes are photographically celebrated, not only belching CO2 from their engine exhausts, mind you, but also streaming colored smoke, as well. And all the comments, attached to that one post, either encouraged Anders to keep on enjoying his carbon-wallow good-times, or (more commonly) got into a point-scoring, “I’m-the-real-alpha-aviiation-buff-among-us-greenwashed-dorks-and-don’t-you-forget-it-wotts!”, show-off, rival-airplane-picture-and-anecdote, passive-agressive, one-upmanship exchange. And not one of wotts’ Gaia-freak commenters took ATTP to task for his CO2-spew revelries! Can you believe it?
      So I’m just gonna have to call out ATTP as a complete, crapulous*, brazen-hypocrite carbon-piggie!
      *And before one of you mouth-off, Mr. Smarty-Pants hive-bozos pops up here, with the snarky, snide suggestion that I just might want to look up the definition of the word “crapulous”, let me advise you, in advance, that I have just liberated that word from the figurative chains and barbed-wire of its Orwellian, gulag hell-hole, in which the lefty-infiltrated, so-called “Dictionary-community”, hoped it would remain immured for ever, and restored that mighty word to its natural and rightful meaning–“full of crap!”–to be wielded as a supreme rhetorical “blade” by us “good guy” lovers of Liberty and ethical science in our never-ending, Manichean struggle against “the other”–the trough-seeking, sell-out, geek-ball eco-pukes who, like so many feckless, sissy, Sisyphus-wannabe wusses, labor daily, and fail, to make their impossible-to-please hive-mummies proud!
      You know, like: Al Gore is a “crapulous” fatso! Or: Senator Sheldon Whitehouse has, like, a total, privileged-white-dork wanker-name, not to mention that he is also, oh by the way, a “crapulous”, vat-boy skin-job! That sort of thing. crapulous! crapulous! crapulous!

      • Huh?…”vat boy skin-job”, you say–WTF? (comment from a valued reader).
        Well, dear reader, I thank you for your inquiry and shared interest in Senator “Sheldon Whitehouse”. In that regard, “vat boy skin-job” refers to a previous comment of mine, attached to another WUWT post and since “snipped”, that pretty much made the case that Senator “Skin-Job” is a hive-tool, WASP-replicant product of an alien, advanced-civilization, E. B. E. vat-technology, along with some related matters, like makin’ fun of his name and other good stuff like that, and everything, that remain so “snippable” that I dare not repeat them.

  1. Inherited money is an illness that corrodes and degrades DNA over time and across generations.

    • Way back in high school, my senior English teacher said it best.
      The Dos earn the money and become Haves
      The Haves have children, and depending on quality of parents, can produce more Dos
      However, eventually, you will get a Do-Not in the chain.
      Depending on how bad a Do-Not they are, their fortunes will fall until they become Have-Nots.

  2. Yes, and let the prisoners exercise by running on a treadmill with a generator to produce electricity. A carbon free economy at last !

    • ..Actually, that concept has been utilized before…It was called “Hard Labor” to pay for your incarceration costs ( and helped cut down on repeat offenders)..Alas, now we just give them internet for free !

      • I think the prisoner powered mill in the movie “Midnight Express” could be adapted to power generation.

      • People forget that the translation of the motto for Auschwitz was “work will make you free”. The death camps were in reality slave labor prisons. The crematoria were only there after every bit of work had been extracted and the internees had become “useless eaters” I think, Marcus, the Club of Rome has that more in mind than a southern chain gang.
        [Many were killed immediately, sorted as they got off the trains by whether or not they could immediately work. Very young, very old, weak, or not physically impressive (women and children) were judged useless. .mod]

      • ..I agree fossilsage…BUT, I’m on “probation”, so I have to watch how far I push thing…
        I have a great understanding of WW2, but have always been sure that Humanity would never ALLOW that again….until the U.N. backed Obama came along…

      • fossilage – I don’t speak German but it is hard to forget the famous gate sign “Arbeit Macht Frei”. Cruel.

    • No NO! If they work that hard they will breathe out MORE cO2. The most climate-friendly act is to stop them polluting the climate with their breath. That will cut down on the GHG for sure.

      • But didn’t we just have an article on generating electricity from CO2? The solution is obviously to employ such generators, use them to power treadmills, have the special cells generate even more electricity and then use that to raise crops which feed the prisoners which run on the treadmills which…
        See, problem solved.

  3. It’s Soviet-style thinking: “there is no shortage of food, merely a surplus of people.”

    • ..We have a long way to go to reach their target of only 500 million souls on planet Earth, which would be made up of 99.99% serfs..and 0.01% progressive liberal Elites ruling over said serfs…give or take a few million serfs in the error margin !

      • Assume “Progressive Liberal Elites”, and those who want to be, comprise as much as 10% of the population. Any measures to reduce the planet’s population so that the Liberal elites were an even smaller percentage would disproportionately affect those very ‘elites’.
        Given 7 billion souls on earth, reduction to half a billion would mean a 93% reduction. Reducing 700 million world-wide elites and their hangers-on to 50 thousand would require a reduction in their number of 99.993%.
        “Be careful what you wish for.”

      • That’s why we have a Second Amendment. When it gets too bad, we simply eliminate the ruling elite.

  4. She is taking a truth to a crazy rational….almost like
    Lets see, force families to live in a 1 room log cabin with a dirt floor and no exectricity will dramatically reduce their carbon footprint, grow their own vegetables and only dung allowed as fertilizer.
    PS: No dung allowed for heating…..

    • Scott M
      “She is taking a truth to a crazy rational” Well, expressed. i am going to steal that, maybe change it a little to hide the fact it is not originally mine. That is a poet’s privilege.
      Eugene WR Gallun

    • A lefty some time ago said North Korea should be emulated because of it’s low per capita carbon footprint.
      According to Gapminder, the U.S. matched that footprint in 1872.

      • North Korea should be emulated
        But not for the enlightened ones who of course are the people making these kinds of statements.

  5. It should be no surprise that a Kennedy thinks that crime does pay. I mean after all it appears a good deal of the seed money for the family fortune came from running booze during prohibition. Old Joe made his fortune by various other nefarious means also even if some at the time were technically not legal they most certainly were unethical. So for the Kennedys crime did pay.

    • sorry should have read -some at the time were technically not ILLEGAL they most certainly were unethical.

    • And let’s not forget he greatly admired an up-and-coming political figure during his tenure as ambassador to the Court of St. James, an Austrian with the initials A.H. who was doing wonderful things in Germany and reshaping the map of Europe.

    • So just how does this Tata babe get to have Kennedy genes ??
      It seems to be a sad commentary on the present political scene, that some of us can look back at the years of the Kennedy Presidency, and realize that he was actually a pretty good President ; for a Democrat.
      One of the first to demonstrate that a tax cut can actually increase Government revenues, and everybody else’s as well.
      He would not even recognize the Democrat Party of today, or even that of kid brother Ted, that famous Mexican Tenor, who sadly also gave us the current chain immigration law that is leading the USA to self destruction.
      Is the Schlossberg her parent’s name, or a spousal name ?? I’m trying to remember who it was that amateur seat of the pants pilot JJK took into the North Atlantic with him.

  6. ‘In other words, if we’re all locked up, that’s good!’
    Yep! Why wait for people to commit a crime?

  7. The problem for the Progressives is that the wrong people are in jail. The people who belong there is anyone who disagrees with them.

  8. They’re going to charge us all with crimes against the planet Earth, lock us up in 100 sq ft barred ‘efficiency’ complexes at Attica, and force us to listen to Maury Povich, or Hillary (either one; what difference does it make?).

  9. High Stalinism at its most extreme. The only reason our plans are not working is “wreckers”, and once we deal properly with them, the “Radiant Future”./sarc

  10. Old quite from Eisenhower back in the Day, some people still don’t “get it”.
    “If you want total security, go to prison. There you’re fed, clothed, given medical care and so on. The only thing lacking… is freedom”.
    Dwight D. Eisenhower

    • H.R. – The tax feeders and rent seekers have a very difficult time collecting $168,000 per year from the free range tax cattle. Putting them in jail makes it a whole lot easier. But it does reach a point of diminishing returns.

    • I thought that was obvious. I am a bit astounded that the first mention came this far into the comments.
      Thanks to the three strikes law, we are incarcerating people for 25 years to life for minor shoplifting.
      Even the extreme case of letting some clown shoplift enough food to feed himself for the rest of his life is orders of magnitude cheaper than keeping him in jail. He’s probably crazy anyway and if he got treatment he wouldn’t be a problem any more.

      Now new research from NC State shows outpatient treatment of mental illness significantly reduces arrest rates for people with mental health problems – and also saves taxpayers money. link

  11. Well, the answer is obvious: lock up more people. The skeptics, of course.
    Their forced labor can build new prisons… of wood. Nothing from limestone/concrete. End the use of Portland cement.
    Free any birdmen. They can help rebuild bird populations destroyed by cats.

  12. When she’s 80 she will look back on that bit of poof and piffle much like we look back on our yearbook hair do’s: “What was I thinking.”

    • Actually, I withdraw that comment. She has read some research on this. Yes folks, there is a research article. She over-reports its findings:
      Governments estimate the social and economic impacts of crime, but its environmental
      impact is largely unacknowledged. Our study addresses this by estimating the carbon foot-
      print of crime in England and Wales and identifies the largest sources of emissions. By
      applying environmentally extended input-output analysis–derived carbon emission factors
      to the monetized costs of crime, we estimate that crime committed in 2011 in England and
      Wales gave rise to over 4 million tonnes of carbon dioxide equivalents. Burglary resulted in
      the largest proportion of the total footprint (30%), because of the carbon associated with
      replacing stolen/damaged goods. Emissions arising from criminal justice system services also
      accounted for a large proportion (21% of all offenses; 49% of police recorded offenses).
      Focus on these offenses and the carbon efficiency of these services may help reduce the
      overall emissions that result from crime. However, cutting crime does not automatically
      result in a net reduction in carbon, given that we need to take account of potential rebound
      effects. As an example, we consider the impact of reducing domestic burglary by 5%. Cal-
      culating this is inherently uncertain given that it depends on assumptions concerning how
      money would be spent in the absence of crime. We find the most likely rebound effect (our
      medium estimate) is an increase in emissions of 2%. Despite this uncertainty concerning
      carbon savings, our study goes some way toward informing policy makers of the scale of
      the environmental consequences of crime and thus enables it to be taken into account in
      policy appraisals

    • Given that she is a Kennedy, I don’t expect her to live that long.
      At their deaths Eunice was 88, Rosemary was 86, Pat was 82, and Joe Sr. was 81, but Ted was only 77, Jackie was 65, Kara was 51, Jack was 46, Bobby was 43, John Jr. was 38, Joe Jr. was only 29 years, Kathleen was 28, Arabella was stillborn.
      If she can make it to 50 her odds of making it to 80 aren’t too bad.

  13. There is a good case to be made for locking up all Warmistas until they come to their senses. A time in jail would help them regain their sanity.

    • …The U.N. has already declared it a Global Crime to deprive any and all “Alarmist” scientists of possible, maybe, kinda, sorta or could be future, undisclosed, monetary gains…..

  14. Surely by the time any penal “reform” can be put into action , Pres Clinton will have achieved her ambition to make the US a 100% renewables nation , so that the economic activity of its residents will be equally carbon free whether they are incarcerated or not .
    In fact if economic activity is greater outside prisons than within , and that activity requires power from renewable sources (which involve subsidies to the select few) then it is in the interest of the subsidy farming sector to close down the prisons, More activity = more power use = more subsidy , No?

    • If enough American Citizens are so totally dumb as to vote that lying crook into the White House ” so as to be a part of history “, then I’m afraid we totally deserve what we will be about to receive.
      When I hear about all of the purportedly intelligent people who have already voted (twice) to have been a part of the “History of The United States of America”, well we won’t have enough room to engrave all of your names onto the gravestone of freedom; but we will never forget what you did, and what you are almost as surely going to do to us again.
      I never really thought I could possibly watch the fall of the United States of America, before I go and join all the lawyers around the fires of hell; but it is looking increasingly likely all the same.
      Those who get all of the free stuff, at no cost to them, tend to value it at that same valuation.
      The ghosts of the Mayflower will come back to haunt us for failing to learn their nearly catastrophic lesson about collectivism, versus free enterprise.

    • That’s in line with lunatics who claim Cuba’s broken economy is “carbon friendly”

      Actually, according to Bill McKibben, formerly of 350 org, the Cubans’ diet and economy is semi-sustainable.
      What is the Cuban diet?
      “According to my Mexican friends, ordinary Cubans are not allowed to eat beef. Instead, what beef there is in Cuba is reserved for the nation’s rulers and for tourists who can pay for it with foreign exchange while staying at the all-inclusive resort hotels.
      It is in fact illegal to sell beef to a Cuban — not that any of them outside the ruling class would be able to buy much, since the average wage in Cuba is about 50 cents per day, or one-tenth of the minimum legal wage in Mexico. With this pittance, Cubans must subsist on the subsidized rations made available to them by the government. These comprise 5 pounds of rice, 5 pounds of sugar, 1 pound of salt, 10 ounces of beans, 8 ounces of cooking oil, 0.15 ounces of coffee mixed with unknown stuff that isn’t coffee, 6 ounces of very-low-quality fish, and 1 pound of a disgusting product made from unsalable animal parts, per month. No fruits or vegetables are included.
      I repeat: These rations are not free, but must be paid for, with the total bill consuming most of a Cuban’s monthly salary. This leaves almost nothing to spend on additional food, which is available on the black market or in “dollar stores,” where reasonably good food, donated by Western aid agencies, is sold at (non-Cuban) supermarket prices to foreigners or government elites holding dollars or euros.”
      Read more at:
      But then again, perhaps carbon-friendly is the same as semi-sustainable. I would rather talk about secondary sewage treatments than about what the meanings of these terms are!

  15. One almost expects the elitists to admit that they want to exterminate everyone except themselves and some useful workers (slaves). If they were not so set on virtue signaling with their opposition to the death penalty, they would be calling for mass executions.
    For now, they settle for promoting abortion on an industrial scale. Look at all the praise China got for its forced abortion policy and preventing all those nasty humans from being born. When the government announced they were changing the policy, there were leftists decrying the effect on “humanity” and Gaia. Their humanity is the decent person’s inhumanity.

  16. Wow, just ask Marie Antoinette how that kind of thinking turned out.
    Is history even taught in college anymore ?
    Get an education before you start spending other peoples money.

  17. Never mind prisons. How about slavery? Just think of how much less energy per person they’d use. And think of all the money it would save, which could be put to good use building more bird-and-bat choppers and zappers.
    Slavery now! Think of the children.

    • Bruce Cobb wrote: “Never mind prisons. How about slavery?”
      (H.R. slaps forehead) Why not? No sacrifice is too great to save the planet! But let’s make it voluntary servitude, shall we? I’ll put up a website where people can sign up. Naturally, one would expect the profiteers leaders of the efforts to ‘save the planet’ to sign up first. They can start by pulling all of the weeds along I-95, starting in Florida, and they will be permitted to keep and eat any of the weeds they pull. Of course they will be issued scissors to trim the grass while taking care of the weeds.
      (Ya’ll please excuse me while I go start negotiations with the State of Florida for the Interstate Highway mowing contract. I think they will like my bid.)

    • The labor participation rate would skyrocket and Obama would finally have a great legacy, de-industrialization and the re-institution of slavery.

  18. ……inmates generally consume less than an average citizen in the country, so fewer prisoners might mean higher overall energy consumption….
    I’d certainly like to see the data for this.
    If I lived in a large building with continuous guards, heating and lighting, I would have thought the per capita energy requirement would be greater, not less. The fact that an individual prisoner might not use much energy is minor – the total system uses a LOT…

  19. Now that is fantastic. I mean the dead consume even less than inmates so……lol. un-freaking believable. Lol.

  20. The article is obviously a spoof. The main conclusion from its reasoning is “Lock up more criminals.” Since that is the opposite of the PC belief system (Let every crook roam free), the spoof is by one of us. Either that or they are stark raving bonkers.

  21. The lunatics are in the hall ………. there is absolutely no way the premise stands up to any scrutiny.
    She’s “MAD”.

  22. There’s always some Gauleiter of Hamburg asking ‘why just starve them to dead. ‘
    …inmates generally consume less than an average citizen in the country, so fewer prisoners might mean higher overall energy consumption.
    Invention of Auschwitz.

    • German as a second language, Johann? ;o)
      P.S. I really appreciate your comments. I sometimes have to work hard to get your meaning, but it’s usually worth it. I confess that I don’t get the meaning of some of your comments, but most of the time your point is clear. Thank you for your comments.

  23. Back in the day…. Rose Mary Kennedy (JFK’s sister), they solved the delusional problems with a frontal lobotomy (very nasty). Lobotomies are no longer medically ethical. Probably why we have an epidemic of liberal lunatics in US society compared to 60 years ago. Rational people realized back in the day there was something not right with some people, and they lobotomized them or institutionalized them.

  24. I think our warmist friends are not really taking advantage of the situation. They could use the time spent in prison to brainwash the inmates to become better citizens. They could even encourage prison time for younger criminals to start the process early too!

  25. Quick! Tell President Obama to stop commuting all those sentences. Tell Congress to stop weakening drug laws! Enlist the aid of John Kerry, who thinks “Climate Change” is a bigger threat than Islamic jihad. He ought to be frantic!

  26. Look on the bright side – when you stop jailing people for actual crimes….. their cells can be filled with imaginary criminals like climate skeptics. Win/win for the progressives.

  27. “In other words, if we’re all locked up, that’s good! Smaller carbon footprint!! More criminals running free means more GHG’s.’
    On one hand it suggests that but then it seems to contradict it saying that less crime might be good for the economy resulting in more GHG
    These kind of people are so crazy that they cannot make up their mind – probably because they do not have one.

  28. Anthony. I was surprised to see to see an ad for the South African government’s Department of Environment Affairs on this WUWT post. While it is exuberant about conserving rhinos, this department is also besotted by carbonophobia, and is pushing for the introduction of a carbon tax in this population- and job-stressed country. I know Word press sells advertising, but is there no say over what appears on WUWT? It is also telling that a government department can see fit to use public money to advertise on a skeptic blog! Why?

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