Guardian Hails Chinese Economic Problems as "Peak Coal"

Kangbashi, a subdivision of the Chinese city of Ordos, Inner Mongolia: a city newly built in the middle of no where is a ghost city which can accommodate up to a million people is completely empty with empty shopping malls, roads, parks, etc.
Kangbashi, a subdivision of the Chinese city of Ordos, Inner Mongolia: a city newly built in the middle of no where is a ghost city which can accommodate up to a million people is completely empty with empty shopping malls, roads, parks, etc. By Uday Phalgun (Ordos, China’s biggest Ghost city.) [CC BY 2.0], via Wikimedia Commons
Guest essay by Eric Worrall

The Guardian is celebrating that according to official figures, Chinese coal consumption fell in 2014. But is this fall in consumption structural, or is it simply a symptom of China’s growing economic problems?

China’s coal peak hailed as turning point in climate change battle

Study by economists say achievement by world’s biggest polluter may be a significant milestone, rather than a blip.

The global battle against climate change has passed a historic turning point with China’s huge coal burning finally having peaked, according to senior economists.

They say the moment may well be a significant milestone in the course of the Anthropocene, the current era in which human activity dominates the world’s environment.

China is the world’s biggest polluter and more than tripled its coal burning from 2000 to 2013, emitting billions of tonnes of climate-warming carbon dioxide. But its coal consumption peaked in 2014, much earlier than expected, and then began falling.

The economists argue in a new paper on Monday that this can now be seen as permanent trend, not a blip, due to major shifts in the Chinese economy and a crackdown on pollution.

“I think it is a real turning point,” said Lord Nicholas Stern, an eminent climate economist at the London School of Economics, who wrote the analysis with colleagues from Tsinghua University in Beijing. “I think historians really will see [the coal peak of] 2014 as a very important event in the history of the climate and economy of the world.”

The team’s analysis, published in the Nature Geoscience journal, concludes that China’s coal peak “may well be an important milestone in the Anthropocene and a turning point in international efforts to [cut] the emissions of climate-altering greenhouse gases”.

Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/jul/25/china-coal-peak-hailed-turning-point-climate-change-battle

The abstract of the study;

Slowing GDP growth, a structural shift away from heavy industry, and more proactive policies on air pollution and clean energy have caused China’s coal use to peak. It seems that economic growth has decoupled from growth in coal consumption.

Read more (paywalled): http://nature.com/articles/doi:10.1038/ngeo2777

The problem with the claim that growth has decoupled from coal, is China currently appears to be on the verge of a debt implosion – all that “growth” may have been an illusion created by the excessive availability of cheap credit.

Burbank Sees U.S. Recession, China Devaluation Within Year

China to enter liquidity crisis, he tells clients in letter

`We think this is a time full of peril and repositioning’

John Burbank, the hedge fund manager who in 2015 warned of a China-led global economic slowdown, said he expects a “major” Chinese currency devaluation and a U.S. recession within the next year as debt levels rise and central banks are stymied on monetary policy.

China will enter a liquidity crisis with the largest sum of non-performing debt in the world, Burbank, the founder of $4.1 billion Passport Capital, said in a May 5 investor letter. The U.S. economy will contract at a time when the Federal Reserve has the fewest options in history to cut interest rates, he said.

“For both it will be a normal ending after decades of extending their booms,” Burbank said in the letter obtained by Bloomberg. “We think this is a time full of peril and repositioning that heralds either the start of a new market reality, i.e. inflation and too much liquidity, or the beginning of the liquidation.”

Burbank, who bet against U.S. housing a decade ago, is among the U.S. macro investors to sound the alarm on global markets. Billionaire Stan Druckenmiller said last week that the U.S. equities bull market has “exhausted itself” and George Soros contends China resembles the U.S. slump of 2007-08. Sluggish global growth is calling into question the effectiveness of central-bank stimulus especially in the U.S. where investors are concerned the Fed will be slow to tighten monetary policy.

Read more: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-05-10/burbank-sees-u-s-recession-china-devaluation-within-next-year

How did this disastrous situation arise? China seems to have been running its domestic interest rates way too low, for a very long time, which in turn appears to have created the mother of all asset bubbles. In a low interest rate environment, people who make bad decisions don’t lose their shirts, they just borrow more money. An illusion of economic growth and prosperity, built on the back of the personal savings of China’s workers.

There’s a dangerous bubble growing in China’s economy

China might be growing itself right into a bubble.

Based on Friday’s GDP report, which came in at 6.7% for the first quarter, it seemed that the country is growing at the pace many expected (depending on what you think of the country’s statistics).

The problem, however, wasn’t the headline number but instead the way that the country grew, according to Wei Yao and Claire Huang at Societe Generale.

“This looks like an old-styled credit-backed investment-driven recovery, which bears an uncanny resemblance to the beginning of the ‘four trillion stimulus’ package in 2009,” the economists wrote in a note Friday. “The consequence of that stimulus was inflation, asset bubbles and excess capacity.”

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com.au/chinas-economy-looking-bubbly-2016-4

Nowhere is this asset bubble more apparent, than with the Chinese “ghost city” phenomenon. When a Western asset bubble goes too far, an obvious symptom is deserted housing estates, built by over optimistic developers endowed with an excess of easy credit. China has gone one better – they have been building entire cities which nobody wants.

China’s ghost city: Kangbashi, Ordos full of brand new, empty buildings

IT WAS created and hailed as a bustling city utopia with glistening buildings and state-of-the-art facilities.

But more than a decade after the northern Chinese city of Kangbashi, Ordos, was built and open for people to move in, it remains mostly vacant.

When the Chinese Government built the inner-Mongolian town of Kangbashi, a district of Ordos, it estimated it could accommodate well over a million people.

However, just 100,000 or so moved in, which today results in an urban ghost city, an “urban failure” considering its billion-dollar construction cost.

Read more: http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-ideas/chinas-ghost-city-kangbashi-ordos-full-of-brand-new-empty-buildings/news-story/6a2a91176e2fb27c9ee273671e85cbe8

All this information is publicly available – economists have been warning of Chinese economic imbalances for years. But greens seem so desperate to see evidence of “decoupling”, between coal and prosperity, in my opinion they are happy to gloss over substantial evidence of severe economic problems and a credit driven mirage, to claim their “decoupled” success.

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DC Cowboy
Editor
July 25, 2016 1:49 pm

Did they miss the recent decision to halt windmill production/install entirely by China?

AP
Reply to  DC Cowboy
July 25, 2016 3:10 pm
Griff
Reply to  AP
July 26, 2016 12:57 am

India’s plans are to replace coal imports, not to expand coal use… capacity factors at Indian coal plants are down…
and you missed the plan to install 175GW od wind and solar in India by 2022

Griff
Reply to  DC Cowboy
July 26, 2016 4:46 am

China hasn’t stopped wind power installs -it has regulated installing it in places where there is insufficient grid connection
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-powerstation-idUSKCN1010HZ

ShrNfr
July 25, 2016 1:51 pm

Being Lord Stern is a mental disorder. He would be in Bethlehem if Grantham was not paying his way.

SMC
July 25, 2016 1:58 pm

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/media-and-marketing/guardian-media-group-hit-with-record-173m-loss-1.2733666
Seems like The Guardian might be having financial troubles. I wonder how many people are actually paying attention to them.

H.R.
Reply to  SMC
July 25, 2016 4:34 pm

We’ve all heard of temperature cooling trends called ‘negative warming.’ Looks like the Grauniad Media Group is experiencing ‘negative profits.’

Felflames
July 25, 2016 1:59 pm

Wait a couple years, when the Brits and Germans (and everyone else) discover they can’t run economies on solar and wind.
The construction of coal power stations will sky-rocket.

ole jensen
Reply to  Felflames
July 25, 2016 2:34 pm

The Germans have known for years that the industri would collapse, if they had to pay for intermittent birblender electicity. So they pass on the heavy bill to the ordinary consumers :
“Energy-intensive companies in Germany were exempted from paying 3.3 billion euros in 2014 and 3.4 billion euros in 2015 within the scope of the EEG Renewable Energy Feed-In Act.” – See more at: http://notrickszone.com/2016/07/21/the-poor-get-the-shaft-forced-to-pick-up-7-billion-euro-power-tab-of-german-industry/#sthash.drKS2ksy.dpuf

ole jensen
Reply to  ole jensen
July 25, 2016 2:35 pm

that would be a birDblender 🙂

Johann Wundersamer
Reply to  ole jensen
July 25, 2016 8:20 pm

Ole,
The Germans have known for years that the industry would collapse, if they had to pay for intermittent birdblender electricity.
_____________________________
German troubles with ‘birDblenders’, OK!
_____________________________
Nontheless they again will vote for Kuehnast, Gabriel and Merkel – to already sink the flying Dutchman.

PA
Reply to  Felflames
July 25, 2016 3:40 pm

http://static5.businessinsider.com/image/56fbb5fadd08955d6a8b4834-502-639/coal%20plant%20utilization.png
China coal capacity factor is dropping. They have the plants to burn almost twice the coal they are currently burning. Under realistic assumptions the coal plants being used at under 50% capacity should be operating in the 70%-80% capacity range.
Further, India is the fastest growing coal consumer in the world. India by itself is increasing consumption by 1.5-2% of global consumption annually. Global coal consumption 10-20% higher than today seems inevitable.
People keep referring to these guardian articles but they don’t seem to make a lot of sense. Could someone post a link to a Guardian article where the author knows what he is talking about or at the very least makes sense?

markl
Reply to  PA
July 25, 2016 3:55 pm

PA commented: “…People keep referring to these guardian articles but they don’t seem to make a lot of sense…..”
I realize your question is rhetorical but offer an explanation anyway……the intent of Climate Change articles in all publications is not to educate or inform the reader but rather to sway their opinion. Propaganda, pure and simple

Gerry, England
Reply to  PA
July 26, 2016 3:47 pm

The Guardian doesn’t print articles where the author knows what they are talking about. The few readers they have left and their friends at the BBC would object to reading articles that contained knowledge. The Guardian is read to re-affirm your left-wing beliefs.

Griff
Reply to  Felflames
July 26, 2016 12:55 am

How long have the Germans been building out renewables? over a decade…
And has Germany collapsed?

Reply to  Griff
July 26, 2016 5:58 am

“has Germany collapsed?”
Yes. The new policy is to avoid exactly this.

MarkW
Reply to  Griff
July 26, 2016 9:45 am

Says the man as he passes the 10th floor on the way down.

Latitude
July 25, 2016 2:07 pm

The economists argue in a new paper on Monday that this can now be seen as permanent trend, not a blip, due to major shifts in….steel

Resourceguy
Reply to  Latitude
July 25, 2016 2:46 pm
Latitude
Reply to  Resourceguy
July 25, 2016 4:26 pm

yep….their overcapacity was so high..that even cutting it back in half…they are still over producing

Tom Halla
July 25, 2016 2:18 pm

The Chinese have various internal economic and political problems, and a system that makes a solution difficult. The Communist Party is running a crony-capitalist system, and those usually end with a crash.

Pop Piasa
Reply to  Tom Halla
July 25, 2016 4:31 pm

Ouch, Tom. Crony-capitalism is largely what goes on here in Illinois…

Ernest Bush
Reply to  Pop Piasa
July 25, 2016 8:25 pm

The entire solar/wind fiasco is based on crony capitalism, as is the military-industrial complex. So don’t feel alone out there in Illinois.

MarkW
Reply to  Tom Halla
July 26, 2016 9:46 am

Usually????

Eric
Reply to  Tom Halla
July 26, 2016 12:15 pm

There is no such thing as a crony-capitalist system, capitalism abhors cronyism. The socialists/statists have popularized that statement in a (fairly successful) attempt to make capitalism look bad. In reality there is only cronyism, of which the socialist/statist systems specialize in (see Obama’s rampant cronyism).

Christopher Hanley
July 25, 2016 2:34 pm

I can’t see a change in trend or even a ’blip’ as yet:
http://www.climate4you.com/images/CO2 MaunaLoa MonthlySince1958.gif
After all that is their fundamental obsession and any ‘success’ must show up there first.

Christopher Hanley
Reply to  Christopher Hanley
July 25, 2016 2:39 pm

http://www.climate4you.com/images/CO2 MaunaLoa MonthlySince1958.gif

harry
July 25, 2016 2:35 pm
Wim Röst
Reply to  harry
July 25, 2016 3:03 pm

Harry, from your link:
“China, the world’s largest carbon emitter, has been dramatically underreporting the amount of coal it consumes each year, it has been claimed ahead of key climate talks in Paris.”
That was the 4th of November 2015, just before ‘Paris’.
When China overreported (yes, overreported) the consumption of coal just before Paris with a 17% and said in Paris that they don’t raise the use of coal before X with more than Y tons, they can have an official standstill for years and still use any year some percent extra until they are at the +17% level. In the meantime ‘no official growth’ at all…… They can even officially go back in consumption without burning less. Alarmists happy, Paris OK, the Chinese warm.

PA
July 25, 2016 2:45 pm

These global warmer climate articles are amusing and interesting.
It is like someone from another dimension where the laws of physics work differently was giving their viewpoint.
India is ramping up coal consumption. China is building a lot of new nuclear and replacement (cleaner/more efficient) coal power units to stop its citizens from choking to death. China has more coal fired capacity than ever. Economic conditions are why coal consumption has plateaued (capacity factor is down).
It really depends on whether we have a cold winter and whether China’s economy rebounds. If the La Nina (which causes the Chinese winter to be about a degree colder on average) comes in with a vengeance, we could see an all time coal burning record. China is planning a lot of coal and nuclear generation in the third world. This is sort of win/win, China burns coal to build the plants and the plants (at least the coal fired ones) burn coal after they are completed. The peak coal victory dance seems a little premature.
I don’t understand the green’s antipathy to fossil fuels. Greens haven’t articulated a rational reason not to burn coal. Coal is pretty and smells nice. Digging for coal produces big holes that could be used as emergency shelters. Coal is a cheap source of energy that makes plants grow faster.

Ernest Bush
Reply to  PA
July 25, 2016 8:28 pm

I like your logic, here. Germany and Eastern Europe all have new coal-fired plants building with more planned.

Griff
Reply to  Ernest Bush
July 26, 2016 12:54 am

Germany has NO more coal plants planned… it has completed its last ever coal plant and is set to close 7 small lignite plants by end 2019. One of the built plants may never open…

jim leek
Reply to  PA
July 25, 2016 8:32 pm

When a train full of coal falls over, the coal lays there until someone picks it up. Much better behaved than oil.

markl
July 25, 2016 2:49 pm

$465M spent orbiting a satellite to accurately measure atmospheric CO2 and after 2 years of data all is silent on the project. Must have uncovered some inconvenient truths that would torpedo the AGW narrative.

SMC
Reply to  markl
July 25, 2016 3:17 pm

The data doesn’t match the models. Apparently there is a pretty big discrepancy between the data and models. It sure would be nice to have more presentations and animations on the OCO2 data.

PA
Reply to  SMC
July 25, 2016 5:36 pm

OCO-2 is in the A-Train. This satellite constellation has a 98° polar orbit. There is an 8° circle around the pole they don’t capture. But any data or depiction should should effectively show the whole planet.
It is a little puzzling the OCO-2 has a computer model video on their front page instead of a video based on the daily data.

Gary Hladik
July 25, 2016 3:00 pm

Hooray for recessions! When we’re worrying where our next meal is coming from, we won’t have to worry about CO2 or catastrophic global warming. What a relief! 🙂

July 25, 2016 3:02 pm

China has been building and completing nuclear plants at a steady clip. Nuclear prosperity are compatible with each other.

July 25, 2016 3:11 pm

Interesting, especially the article on Chinese “Ghost Cities” — I had no idea. In the old Soviet Union there was a similar pheneomenon called “instant ruins”, but on a much smaller scale.

Ernest Bush
Reply to  Alan Watt, Climate Denialist Level 7
July 25, 2016 8:31 pm

It was the quality of construction that caused the “instant ruins” in the Soviet Union. Some of the Chinese cities look really nice.

July 25, 2016 3:34 pm

Leave it to Guardian to celebrate economic misery as climate improvement. Sort of sums it all up.

commieBob
July 25, 2016 4:26 pm

Not everyone thinks the Chinese economy will crash.

… while investors’ outlooks for the Chinese economy are not optimistic, they are not so pessimistic … link

What most people don’t understand is that China has a huge rural population which has not, as yet, enjoyed the fruits of the country’s economic expansion. link If the Chinese government can tap that unused resource, the economy will continue to expand for another couple of decades. In other words, China hasn’t even picked all the low hanging fruit yet.
If you want to know how China’s economy is expanding within the country, look at the penetration of Starbucks. When Starbucks comes to a city it means the middle class feels rich enough to buy some luxuries.
At some point, China won’t need the American market because its potential internal market is so large.

SMC
Reply to  commieBob
July 25, 2016 4:51 pm

This assumes they don’t mismanage their economy…as they seem to doing.
To me, it seems as if they are trying to externalize their issues, it’s all the Americans fault or somebody else’s fault, not ours. Hence the 9 dash line in the South China Sea and the ratcheting up of tensions and militarization.

Reply to  commieBob
July 25, 2016 5:01 pm

It is true that China is developing a domestic market. I doubt that the domestic market will bring the growth rate back to the levels that China experienced in the 1990s and 2000s.

July 25, 2016 4:58 pm

China’s coal and steel industries were building for a continuation of the growth rate of 10-12% per year. 2007 steel production was 229 tons and 2014 production was 420 tons. In 2015, the steel capacity grew further. Even had the growth rate remained over 10%, Chinese steel supply would have overshot steel demand. Since the growth rate has dropped to below 7%, China has a huge excess supply. Since much of China’s coal production is for steel making, both coal and steel was being produced with no market. In March this year, the Chinese central government announced a substantial reduction in coal and steel production which will mean laying off 1.8 Million people.
This is the misery that the Guardian described as the “global battle against climate change has passed a historic turning point with China’s huge coal burning finally having peaked.” They forgot to mention the human cost of this great climate change victory.

SMC
Reply to  isthatright
July 25, 2016 5:23 pm

I think your steel production figures for 2007 and 2014 are off by a few orders of magnitude.

Ernest Bush
Reply to  SMC
July 25, 2016 8:35 pm

I suspect there should be six zeroes after the production numbers, maybe even nine.

Reply to  SMC
July 26, 2016 8:36 am

You are correct. The units were meant to be Millions of tons. My spreadsheet was correct, my reading was amiss. Sorry about the error.

Wim Röst
July 25, 2016 4:58 pm

“China has gone one better – they have been building entire cities which nobody wants.”
China has to cope with an enormous urbanisation. New housing is needed for 17,5 million people extra every year. With an urbanisation like this, slums arise in most other lower income countries. But China builds complete new city’s, even before the migrants arrive. It boosts the economy, but in the same time city’s may have been build on the wrong place and remain (a long time) empty. We should need an overview of the number of ghost city’s and need to know about ‘how long’ they are not inhabited before we can draw good conclusions. It sounds alarming, a ghost city of 1 million inhabitants but the total perspective is the following:
McKinsey, February 2009:
http://www.mckinsey.com/global-themes/urbanization/preparing-for-chinas-urban-billion
Preparing for China’s urban billion
By pursuing a more concentrated urbanization path guided by action to boost urban productivity, China’s local and national policy leaders would minimize the pressures and maximize the economic benefits of urban expansion.
If current trends hold, China’s urban population will hit the one billion mark by 2030. In 20 years, China’s cities will have added 350 million people more than the entire population of the United States today. By 2025, China will have 221 cities with one million–plus inhabitants—compared with 35 cities of this size in Europe today—and 23 cities with more than five million.

NW sage
July 25, 2016 5:08 pm

Any time the growth of an economy (or lack of growth – or change in growth) is measured in money there is a great danger that the assumption is made that that metric is unchanging. Ie, the value of the money is unchanged. The recent real estate bubble the US just experienced shows what happens when the assumption is NOT true ie the increase in ‘worth’ occurs merely because more money is made available. It is a kind of inflation not seen in the normal inflation statistics.
It is very possible this is exactly what is happening in China. More ‘money’ being used to measure so called growth than actual wealth generation can support. Thus part or all of the supposed growth may not be ‘real’.

Steve from Rockwood
July 25, 2016 5:15 pm

If anyone is interested this is the point of trough coal. It will never be worth less going forward.

Louis
July 25, 2016 5:59 pm

“George Soros contends China resembles the U.S. slump of 2007-08.”
Yes, and the U.S. hit peak oil consumption around 2007 because of the economic recession but has been slowly recovering ever since. Oil production, on the other hand, has gone up drastically because of fracking. China will probably follow a similar pattern with coal as their economy recovers, unless they find a cheaper source of energy than coal in the meantime.

Ernest Bush
Reply to  Louis
July 25, 2016 8:37 pm

I suspect India and Africa will be happy to buy a lot of that coal in the near future.

Griff
Reply to  Ernest Bush
July 26, 2016 12:52 am

er… no: India has pledged to halt all foreign coal imports within 3 years:
http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2016-04-15/news/72350967_1_coal-india-ltd-coal-production-coal-and-power-minister
There is no money to import coal to most of Africa – there are only a handful of coal plants building/likely to be built, all using local coal. (The SA new plant still hasn’t opened, AFAIK)

rogerthesurf
July 25, 2016 6:00 pm

Maybe its the one child policy, (which has only recently been lifted), that is showing in the coal consumption figures.
Cheers
Roger
http://www.rogerfromnewzealand.wordpress.com

July 25, 2016 6:44 pm

It’s almost like how our carbon dioxide emissions dropped when we entered the recession in 2008. I guess economic contraction is good news to some people.

July 26, 2016 12:33 am

As the Chinese build more efficient coal plants called supercritical water plants, also called “clean coal” if you remember that term, the operation at higher efficiency reduces the demand for coal by these plants. My understanding is that most to all new plants are of this type. Then there is coal production versus coal consumption. As more coal is imported to meet demand, and the coal has higher energy content, this would reduce production numbers, or stall it. Local consumption data may not break out domestic prodution versus foreign coal imports.

Griff
July 26, 2016 12:50 am

The guardian isn’t hailing anything – it is reporting (which is what newspapers do) the research in Nature Geoscience from prominent economists…
The paper’s summary says this:
“Slowing GDP growth, a structural shift away from heavy industry, and more proactive policies on air pollution and clean energy have caused China’s coal use to peak. It seems that economic growth has decoupled from growth in coal consumption.”

Steven Hales
Reply to  Griff
July 26, 2016 8:24 am

You simply repeated the meme. You’re infected and don’t even know it. We’ve got one here ripe for quarantine.

catweazle666
Reply to  Griff
July 30, 2016 3:15 pm

Don’t worry Griff, it’s only the downturn of the global economic cycle, it’ll come back up again soon.
And the positive effect of Brexit on the British economy plus Trump in the White House will give it a big boost.
Then it will be back to business as usual, fossil fuel use – particularly coal – will ramp up nicely.
So do like Buffet and get those shares bought while they’re cheap!

Ed Zuiderwijk
July 26, 2016 2:16 am

It’s a bit like some pacifists claiming at the end of WWII that it was not the combined military power of the allies that brought Hiltler’s evil empire down, but instead the dictator had seen the error of his ways and given up. (If it had been that military power, heaven forbid, that would have meant the implicit invalidation of the pacifist position, because how could you then have been against it?)
A topsy-turvy mindset produces a topsy-turvy perception of the real world. Analysis is better left to the psychiater.

Editor
July 26, 2016 3:05 am

It is worth noting that steel output in China actually dropped by 2% last year, having doubled between 2005 and 2012, according to the World Steel Association.
Not only does this directly impact on demand for coal, it is also strong evidence that other power hungry industries, that use the steel, are also struggling, such as construction and heavy manufacturing.
Details here:
https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2016/06/11/what-the-bp-energy-review-tells-us-about-chinas-economy/
My view is that the Chinese economy has basically stalled.

Steve T
July 26, 2016 3:17 am

I have a problem with all the “foreign coal imports”, I want to know about the non-foreign coal imports! 🙂
SteveT

Resourceguy
July 26, 2016 7:25 am

In addition, most advocates don’t know the difference between cleaning up the capitol city with a few point source emission sources and national-scale energy policy. They can be fooled all of the time, as the one exception to the rule on public awareness.

Harry Passfield
July 26, 2016 8:33 am

I can’t find any reference to the International Commission on Stratigraphy having defined the ‘Anthropocene’. I guess these people – and Lord Stern is a classic example – are just so full of themselves they think accuracy doesn’t matter. Stern and Gore – and a few others I could think of – would make it necessary to define a ‘Self-enrichment-pocene’.

MarkW
July 26, 2016 9:43 am

I suspect they are trying to line themselves up to take credit for any cooling that happens in the near future.

Harry Passfield
Reply to  MarkW
July 26, 2016 11:48 am

Exactly, MarkW. These charlatans are well aware a cold phase is coming. They will be more than happy to claim that as a CSF of all the crap they have purveyed as being what the world needs to do to cool down – whether or not it works. They just want the chance to be able to say: “We need more of (whatever) to keep the owrld safe for our grandchildren”. And all so they can keep enriching themselves.