I get hate mail like this from time to time and I’m pretty certain I know who this one is from to Dr. Roy Spencer as it fits the speech and punctuation pattern of some emails I have received. This one is completely unhinged, but it is worth reviewing just so you can see how a true global warming zealot behaves. It’s the sort of ugly and hateful thinking that gets promoted daily by people like Miriam O’Brien aka “Sou” and the “Hotwhopper” madding crowd whose website exists solely for the purpose of denigration.
I’m with Dr. Spencer and the Washington Post on this. The “climate emergency” promoted by Paul Beckwith is “utter nonsense”, and is the worst “science” of the year
More on the Global Climate Emergency: Email from a “Fan”
July 1st, 2016 by Roy W. Spencer, Ph. D.
I get some hate email from time to time. Actually, not very much. I guess I’m still cruising under the radar.
In response to my post yesterday criticizing Paul Beckwith’s postabout the allegedly unprecedented crossing of the equator by jet stream winds (a post which, after much criticism, he has since modified), I received a heartfelt email (reproduced below) asking me to, ummm, back off on my criticism.
This email I received yesterday is rather disturbing because I fear it reveals the low caliber of scientific knowledge that exists out there. Too many people are too easily fooled by pseudo-scientific ramblings which can go viral and cross the globe in a matter of hours. This cuts both ways in the global warming debate, as frequent readers of my blog know I have banned people on my side of the argument for pushing too hard on what I consider to be bad science (e.g. the claim that there is no such thing as the “greenhouse effect”).
Even Jason Samenow from the Capital Weather Gang posted agreement with me that there is nothing unusual about winds at the jet stream level moving back and forth across the equator. Jason also quotes other PhD-level atmospheric scientists in that article.
So, I’m just going to leave this here…I was tempted to answer many of the points made below, but I think it will be more enjoyable for regulars here to take a shot at it.
What A way to treat a fellow scientist. Who the f**k cares if its man made or not! Paul is getting the word out there to people…what are you doing? I don’t see you doing anything except having a web site that no one even knows about…I’ve never heard of you. Paul Beckwith puts a lot of hard work and time into trying to raise the issue…You however are a disgrace to global scientists! Or do you not agree this is an emergency? This one video finally caught some attention and you have to f**k it up…Idiot! We NEED for this to be news so maybe, just maybe something will be done! This video has gone viral…let it be! You have made up lies about him and tried to discredit him…why would you do that??? Many people have moved to the southern hemisphere to get away from the radiation…because this was NOT supposed to happen. You need to take down what you said from your web site! What is happening is dangerous and people need to know…too many people already do not believe GW is real…they need to prepare! They need to know! Jesus Dude…What’s wrong with you? And let’s not throw stones about Donations…You have your own Donation button!!!! Fix it Please…
And….discuss!
I thought that was the whole point.
I’m pretty sure he was sincere here. To most of these guys it doesn’t matter what they voice their protest against. Anything from pipelines, homelessness, to “evil corporations”. Logic doesn’t matter here.
Nor does the truth. The far-left has one objective – gain power and hold on to it at all costs. Their predictions made ten and twenty years ago failed to even remotely pass the test of time, and only make them push-out predictions to the end of the century, where all culprits of the worlds biggest science-free zone, AGW, will be long dead and forgotten.
The way I interpreted that phrase is that the “main thing” is to advance the Green Agenda. As long as one is successful in frightening the public into supporting the agenda, nothing else matters. Any rhetoric which works is acceptable.
To these people the ends justify any and all means. That became obvious to me when the video of Jonathan Gruber was made public. He admitted on the video that the Obama Administration had deliberately lied to the public to get Obamacare passed. You would have thought that even Obama supporters would be upset to learn they had been lied to. But instead, they were only upset at Gruber for telling the truth and exposing the lies. The “cause” is more important than the truth. And so it is with climate change. It doesn’t really matter if the predicted catastrophes ever come to pass or not. All that matters is that the fear mongering can be used to achieve their desired ends.
Folks, do you know what the end result of this (bad behavior) is? Republican house, senate AND Trump is up by 4% in the rasmussen pole…
They all belong to CAVE (Citizens Against Virtually Everything)
You can’t win an argument with a SJW. The best you can do is not engage. You can’t win a rational argument against an irrational person. Above all, don’t EVER apologize. Let them hoist themselves on the petard of their own hysterical silliness. (Thanks for your book, Vox Day!)
The end justifies the means comes to mind reading that email…
Yes Dirk, I would agree that there certainly is sincerity given the expressed tone. The frightening thing with it is this is exactly the same kind of sincerity that the Witch-finder General would have as he lights the kindle while informing the hapless victim that “this is for your own salvation”.
If it wasn’t “global warming” as a cause it would be another. The fight on that front is eternal.
It’s the way of things.
My sense is that this individual is young (late teenage years perhaps) and is very likely going to shift his paradigm in the years to come. I know I did. I forgive him/her, he/she knows not what they do.
Louis,
“But instead, they were only upset at Gruber for telling the truth and exposing the lies”
Are you familiar with Plato’s “The Allegory of the Cave”?
It’s Marxist logic. If it support Marxism it’s logical. If it does not support Marxism it’s not logical.
Hans July 2, 2016 at 1:23 pm
They all belong to CAVE (Citizens Against Virtually Everything)
Back in the day, I was a fan of Al Capp who created “S*W*I*N*E” Students Wildly Indignant about Nearly Everything
http://lubbockonline.com/interact/blog-post/may/2011-10-03/%E2%80%9Cstudents-wildly-indignant-about-nearly-everything%E2%80%9D#.V3kUT7grLIU
Sincere or not, it’s clear that he has trouble resolving conflict between logic and imagination. It’s almost like a disconnect with the way the 2 hemispheres of the brain communicate with each other. When the pragmatic left side of the brain prevails, so does logic. When the right side dominates, creative imagination prevails and nothing is more creatively imaginary than the fears promoting climate alarmism.
It occurs to me that this cognitive process could be the origin of partisan politics. I wonder if the connectivity of the corpus callosum will reveal whether you are a strong partisan who lets others think for them (low connectivity) or an independent thinker who prefers to figure things out for themselves (high connectivity)?
Santa Baby, July 2, 2016 at 7:24 pm: “It’s Marxist logic. If it support Marxism it’s logical. If it does not support Marxism it’s not logical.”
Marx, who never held down a “real” job; expounding on fields and issues you failed in don’t count as a ‘job’, but rather, as preoccupation or avocation.
Yes and no.
The point FOR FUNDING is that it has to be man made – or else they won;t get their ££$$.
But they don’t really care if it’s lies or not… so long as they get the next funding cycle organised.
I think this guy left his tin foil hat off for too long .
Robert from oz,
I have to respectfully disagree. A rant like that is full-blown tinfoil hat. 🙂
I have to agree with Phil.
He had to have had that hat strapped on for that much ignorance.
I once saw a Frontline show where a woman was very concerned with the possibility of radiation from Three Mile Island (long after the Unit 2 disaster). She walked the plant perimeter with a Geiger counter, looking for radiation. It was found that she had significant radiation exposure from natural radon from the granite in her basement. She said that was OK because it was “natural.” Cells don’t care if the ionizing radiation is natural or not. CO2, same thing.
A few years ago I saw a news report about how some granite countertops in kitchens were found to contain a fair amount of radon. No one interviewed was okay with those countertops being in their home.
Side note: My mom is from PA, and she says that when she hears people say “TMI”, she thinks “Three Mile Island” rather than “Too Much Information”.
I had a warmest get all upset when I pointed out the carbon dioxide release from the Boreal forest exceeds the total of all released in North America by humans. The warmest replied that was okay because that was natural carbon dioxide. Only man made carbon dioxide was dangerous. So this does not surprise me.
Jones
Like many a Nazi before him, he is a product of the indoctrination to which he has been subjected to which some mistakenly refer as “education”.
Very true, Bob. We have to live in the climate of the day, & like all generations before us, simply adapt to it. It is weird that so many people think we should still be suffering in the climate that prevailed during the Little Ice Age. Personally, I would prefer the climate of the period 8,000 or so years ago, known by the scientific community as the Holocene Climate Optimum.
I much prefer to be in Crete during the Minoan Warm Period. Ladies got to wear the most charming dresses back then!
“so many people think we should still be suffering in the climate that prevailed during the Little Ice Age”
Bit of a straw man argument there Ray. No “alarmist” says that.
I’m all for the Holocene Climate Optimum with it’s relative climatic stability. What I would seriously like to avoid is 4-5 degrees of heating above the Optimum. Humans are changing the climate at an increasing rate due to (exponential) economic growth. 4-5 degrees this century would be VERY bad for humans.
The risk may be small but throw in a few unexpected feed back discontinuities and it is non-zero.
First off, it would take 5 to 10C of warming to get the planet up to the temperature of the Holocene Climate Optimum.
Second, why do you believe that 5C of warming in a century would be bad?
Third, Even the IPCC has given up on more than 2C of warming by the end of the century? What makes you believe they are wrong?
Tony McLeod, I beg to differ. I have heard numerous people state that we must drop our temperature below current levels. This is one of the arguments for mass carbon sequestration. In fact, this was the entire purpose of the IPCC’s third report’s cover graph, the infamous Hockey Stick.
I’m glad to hear that there are many who disagree with this foolish claim. However, the idea that we could raise the temperature to those levels is farcical. You would require a temperature sensitivity of 4-5 degrees of CO2 per doubling to get to those temperatures before running out of fossil fuels. The only problem is that such a great sensitivity of temperature to CO2 would mean that the 20th century would have been strongly cooling without CO2. Ice-age levels of cooling. There is simply no evidence for such an assumption
No, the point is virtue signalling and the posting just gave him a Virtue Smackdown instead of the expected Virtue Stroking…
https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2016/07/02/virtue-signalling-what-where/#comment-69607
No. The important questions are (1) will GW/CC have catastrophic results if nothing is done about it, and (2) just how much cost and benefit can we expect from different ways of “fixing” GW/CC, including ideas like Benford’s bargeload of iron filings.
Then when the rube sees that the answers are (1) no and (2) it’s so easy and cheap to “fix” if true that it’s not worth worrying about GW/CC, we follow up with (3) what are the alarmists really trying to do to us and why?
I believe it’s important to give these responses to the idiots who pretend that we are just denying the existence of GW/CC and therefore we are simpletons or liars.
Haha!
That rant reads like the social justice warriors sound, at an anti-trump protest.
It’s a barrage of words, that don’t actually achieve anything except confirm the stupidity of the protestor!
I say, let them speak!
(i.e. Give them enough rope….)
hmm?
this mob in germany would appear to belong to the same class of crazy!
http://iceagenow.info/german-science-institute-warns-of-miniature-ice-age/
BUT
its ONLY going to be regional
go figure that one..
I. Rest. My. Case.
(well, we can see who has the “radiation” (heh) problem — and also,
that when he or she wrote the above-quoted line,
she or he was obviously not looking in the mirror. lololol)
“Jesus Is Just All Right” — Doobie Brothers
(youtube)
Hang in there, Dr. Spencer. “‘Blessed are they…'”
Jesus Dudette,
Janice
#(:))
“Blessed are you…”
Got my little one dancing round the room!
Oh, Steve (in Paris). Thank you for sharing that. What a perfectly DELIGHTFUL picture that paints. Yeah, those ol’ Doobies are a lot of fun.
Here, since this is a silliness thread, play this one — I ALWAYS jump up and dance around the room to this 🙂
Just for YOU, Steve’s little one:
“Hampster Dance Song”
Happy Saturday evening in Paris!
Janice
#(:))
“Hampster Dance Song” is really Roger Miller on speed:
/Mr Lynn
What was this guy thinking? The radiation is what the tinfoil hats are for!
Anne Ominous — Beat me to it. — Eugene WR Gallun
Anne O
You got it all wrong. Tim foil hats are a government plot. They focus the mind control rays beamed from space by the CIA.😂
“The radiation is what the tinfoil hats are for!”
Alpha and Beta particles (and EM waves), no effectiveness for Gamma tho ..,
Applaud, or Tinker Belle will die!
I don’t believe in carbon fairies, I don’t believe in carbon fairies, … 🙂
Tom Halla — You win best comment! — Eugene WR Gallun
I grade this hate mail a B.
It is reasonably articulate. It uses foul language in an appropriate manner that enhances the rant. It does not make any personal threats. It clearly displays anger and ignorance. Overall, a respectable hate mail effort. Much better than some of the other examples that have been posted here.
I particularly enjoyed the part about
“Many people have moved to the southern hemisphere to get away from the radiation…”
“Anthony Watts July 2, 2016 at 10:14 am
I particularly enjoyed the part about
“Many people have moved to the southern hemisphere to get away from the radiation…””
Yeah, what in the world was that about? Does he know these people? Really? Good grief…
Yeah, that’s a good one. Hope this person doesn’t eat, drink or breath… Is C13 considered Carbon Pollution? I wonder how much lead he has surrounding his abode…of course, this person would probably have a conniption if he/she/it realized Lead is in the decay chain for Uranium and Thorium. :))
Well, Geiger, count on it — “radiation” is a VERY BIG DEAL to that poor soul…
No radiation in the Southern Hemisphere? Whew, that’s a relief. Time to start packing!
/snark
Sounds like he lives to close to a power line and holds his cell phone to close to his head….
Maybe he thinks all those jets coming down the stream are loaded with Hiroshima bombs?
Strange, because thats where the ozone hole is.
Carbon Pollution
===============
Why not simply ban carbon? Anything that contains carbon, make it illegal. For example:
water – no carbon – OK
carbon dioxide – contains carbon – ban it
farts – contains carbon – ban it
gasoline – contains carbon – probably causes cancer – ban it
sugar – contains carbon – pure poison – causes diabetes – ban it
carbs – contains carbon – makes you fat – also causes diabetes – ban it
fat – contains carbon – makes people look fat – ban it.
plastic – contains carbon – super pollution lasts forever – ban it.
politicians – contains carbon – lying SOBS – ban it
Look at all the bad stuff that comes from carbon. make the stuff illegal and sure as shooting it will clear up whatever is wrong.
He must have run out of aluminium (aluminum) foil
Yes, Anthony, the claim that there are radiation refugees flocking from the Northern to the Southern Hemisphere was jaw dropping. Has that appeared in some science fiction movie?
And I’ll agree, the rant style is familiar…reminiscent of an email I received recently.
Enjoy the holiday weekend.
Cheers.
That was my favorite part, too. That one almost made me choke.
Ferdberple — you forgot about carbonated drinks: sodas, seltzer water, tonic water, beer, champagne, etc.
🙂
It would be great if we could scare a bunch of Dimowits enough that they move to the Southern Hemisphere (with apologies to our Friends Down Under!)
“Radiation”? Is there something you guys aren’t telling me?
In all fairness, he may be referring to the Pirahã counting system where “many” is reportedly more than two and it is possible at least 3 people have moved to the southern hemisphere to get away from radiation somewhere.
/sarc
Might have some problem with potassium deficiency too?
I tried googling … “refugees to southern hemisphere escape radiation” … and only came up with some folks who are considered refugees from EMF (microwave radiation, cell phones, Wifi …) and a lot of tinfoil hat stuff about Fukishima. The EMF refugees are trying to find unpopulated areas to live, and some Japanese have been trying to get refugee status in other countries (N, S, E, W, they don’t care) to escape Fukushima radiation exposure. Nothing about people moving from NH to SH.
The 3rd link on the second page of google results is this WUWT article!
Maybe somebody else would be more successful …
Anthony Watts July 2, 2016 at 10:14 am
“Many people have moved to the southern hemisphere to get away from the radiation…”
I guess that is what people told him.
And here I thought it was because their pensions, 4O1k’s and social security goes farther. Then again if he heard that, he would follow them.
Anthony I think the problem is that too many of these people want to be a super hero, and you and Dr Spencer keep snatching their cape away.
Can’t be a super hero without that cape
michael
I’m thinking the radiation comment has to do with the Fukushima train-wreck . .
Overall, I’d classify this more as consternation mail . . It’s not truly hateful in my eyes.
Mr. Spencer needs a better publicist it seems to me, if he wants to break into the big leagues . .
But Ferdberple …. what about the old saying that went something like, “carbon is a girl’s best friend”?
” …. moved to the southern hemisphere to get away from the radiation…”
Uhh – he/she is right. Five of us did. Well – two of us. The other three had no choice in the matter, but didn’t disagree. The catalyst (or possibly final straw) was a power station in the former USSR going off pop. Eventually, I was able to buy a DRSB-01 detector (about $A60 from Russia). It picks up a yellowcake seam about 25km west of here. Ho-hum …
The lack of radiation in the southern hemisphere is why I am so cold down here these days. Can you northerners please send us some of yours?
@Ray,
You wait your turn. B.O.B. will get around to irradiating the Southern Hemisphere soon enough. Right now, it’s our turn here in the Northern Hemisphere for B.O.B.’s attention.
Must have watched a rerun of ON the Beach
LOL, maybe if more were to return to the Southern Hemisphere, BREXIT would not be an issue?
Another worry – if too many people move South it will affect the rotation of the planet /sarc
@ ferdberple = water will have to come off the list, it is dangerous in all it’s forms /sarc
see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yi3erdgVVTw
Tunas are fleeing Japan to avoid radiation pollution.
True story!
Martin Clark July 2, 2016 at 4:18 pm: “… Five of us did [move to the southern hemosphere]. Well – two of us. The other three had no choice in the matter, but didn’t disagree. ”
Enjoying the ‘warm’ sand in Rio? (Or maybe this is Brazil?)
Inappreciate the way it is compeletely and utterly void of any trace of facts. Just bare, raw emotions.
“The EMF refugees are trying to find unpopulated areas to live, and some Japanese have been trying to get refugee status in other countries (N, S, E, W, they don’t care) to escape Fukushima radiation exposure.”
Don’t you see an opportunity here?
Oh, I dunno, SMC. I think you are being quite generous, there, with that “B.” I’d give it a D+. The insanity factor nudges it too close to the pathetic to be a really effective verbal assault.
Also, the humor of its wild assertions makes it hard to feel very upset… hard to feel upset when you are laughing! lolololololol
But Janice, compared to the other hate mails Mr. Watts has posted, this one is actually somewhat readable. I think your grading criteria is too strict when you consider the intellect involved. An insanity factor is not really a consideration when grading Hate Mail, besides, almost all hate mail is pathetic. I suggest you consider grading on a curve. :))
lol (SMC). 🙂
@SMC
What, you want to grade on a curve?
D.J.
No, I don’t grade on a curve. I suggested Janice should grade on a curve. I thought the grade she assigned this hate mail was somewhat harsh. I believe this hate mail is a much better effort than other hate mails Mr. Watts (and Dr. Spencer) have posted for evaluation and ridicule. Besides, grading hate mail is a subjective endeavor. Janice’s ‘D+’ is equally as valid as the ‘B’ I assigned.
‘Curving’ is totally unacceptable in any realm of climate debate. Use a bit of Mannian PCM statistical corruption and you could give any grade, A thru F, as you choose!!
CW, that’s only true if you’re using hokey sticks.
Janice … curves …
SMC, I do believe that qualifies as micro-aggression.
I’d give it a solid C. True, it’s legible, but too full of ignorant points to warrant a higher grade. Wishing death on your political opponents is OK for the genre, however, adding easily disprovable nonsense like people moving south to avoid radiation undermines the point.
I would like to second your critique.
This hate mail managed to convey the inner feelings of the writer, it’s dismay of differing views and the total disregard for science.
Rather weak on the language side though. One could expect a letter on scientific issues to at least once use the “D” word.
I will give it a “B plus”.
😀
Or, tragically, an A in today’s classrooms.
We don’t give out D’s anymore . . . or even use a red pencil. Too “triggering” to fragile self-esteem. ALL the children are above average, and EVERYONE gets a trophy–and this guy is the end result output.
JH., in our universities today it could earn a PhD.
Dumbest child in the class prize!
As much as I hate to say it, I grade my wife’s papers, and I have to say that original composition is sorely lacking on the junior high level. I can tell when it’s plagiarized when it has three well formed and properly punctuated sentences in a row.
Most essays have been sacrificed to increase studying for standardized testing.
Sure, but we can’t see the spittle and foam on his/her/its computer screen. That adds a lot to the troll level
You can get an indication of the spittle/foam level by the creative use of vituperative, vitriolic language. While this hate mail uses foul language in an appropriate manner, enhancing the rant, it is lacking in the creative use of bile.
The complainer misses the bigger problem, probably because his/her brain is not big enough to encompass it. If the northern Jet-Stream did actually displace into the southern hemisphere, how can anyone put it back up here in the north?
In a bad science fiction movie, a Mad Scientist at the EPA would call for the US Government to do a high-altitude detonation of a nuclear weapon to cause the Jet Stream to resume its regular course. I don’t know how that Hollywood Lackluster would finish the plot, but it would certainly be a Disaster Movie, to be sure.
Aliens, my friend, aliens.
Plus the power of love thrown in there somewhere.
Good grade assessment. If not for the aside about moving to the southern hemisphere to avoid radiation it would have been a C, but the that minor twist was a good/needed interruption to the redundant rant. It causes the reader to want to pay attention … to see if there will be anything new coming around the corner.
Further improvement to the letter could be made by an indirect and cluttered summary, clarifying that end does indeed justify the means, even if we don’t have a clue as to what the end (goal) actually is … but we all have to do our part.
Well, I moved to the Southern Hemisphere 30 years ago – New Zealand in fact – and that to escape the European Union. However, I know from bitter experience that radiation here and in Australia is a huge problem with the Ozone being so much thinner. I have lost many of my new friends to skin cancer over those intervening years. Slip, Slop, Slap is an oft quoted message about the use of sunblock and sunhat !!!
Andi,
Some guy named Gore wrote “Earth in the Balance” in the 80s or so. He claimed that in Sth America like Patagonis, increased ultra violet radiation from space was causing health problems like blindness in rabbits and salmon.
Maybe this was the start of the insanity about hemispheric radiation dangers.
Trouble is, there was next to no data on incoming uvradiation levels, so nobody could claim that there was an increase let alone one large enough to be dangerous.
The main lesson is that Vice Presidents have some sway that should be used responsibly.
Gore had little idea of science but he has left a legacy of belief in ignorance that has affected much of a Western generation young enough to believe in crap by authority.
Gore should apologise. Hell should freeze over.
(BTW, hate mail is an easy deal compared with death threats and bomb- like devices left at ones home, as happened to my family when I was more involved with countering crap.)
Geoff
Geoff Sherrington July 2, 2016 at 4:46 pm: “Some guy named Gore wrote “Earth in the Balance” in the 80s or so. He claimed that …”
Geoff , that ‘chicken’ is about to come home to roost, witness:
“Limbaugh’s Al Gore Armageddon Clock About To Hit Zero After 10 Years”
by Kerry Picket of The Daily Caller
http://dailycaller.com/2016/01/02/limbaughs-al-gore-armageddon-clock-about-to-hit-zero-after-ten-years/
Former Vice President Al Gore made a prediction for the earth’s point of no return 10 years ago and talk radio host Rush Limbaugh held him to it since that day in 2006.
The countdown clock on Limbaugh’s site has been running for nearly 10 years since Gore’s apocalyptic prediction about the earth as a result of greenhouse emissions. Less than a month remains in the countdown.
.
We’re down to 24 days, 5 hrs and 43 mins as I type this …
.
Correction to prior: We’ve already passed that 10 yr date! And all is well!
Bob Tisdale — I think ON THE BEACH comes close. — Eugene WR Gallun
Eugene,
The movie On the Beach has a beautiful demonstration of the inner mind of the bureaucrat.
As the people-killing radioactive clouds are about to wipe out Earth’s last people, an official health care female is handing out suicide pills supplied by government. Her job is to tick off people on her clip board, so nobody can be greedy and take two.
It is a delicious scene about the stupidity of officialdom.
Geoff
With a bit more effort, I’m sure this grade will improve.
Eamon.
The mind of a child provides counsel to the fool.
Global warming alarmism is man made, we all know that much. Who the f**k cares about the details?
And it doesn’t matter to the Climate Faithful whether that word is true or not. A lie that is believed is fine with them.
Noble Cause Corruption at it’s most corrupt.
I bet he (the writer) daily uses a car, electricity, energy, gas, etc…so what does he expect every one else to do, live in a hole in the ground? People like that are always big hypocrites, with irrational expectations.
I think his or her family took the car keys away last year… (told her or him they needed to be re-painted ….)
Anyone who paints their car keys are a bit suspect anyway. 🙂
Indeed, Birdy. 🙂
Well, if ol’ Radiation Emergency didn’t fall for the paint ruse, then they likely used the “gotta get these keys re-made so no one can steal your car”) ploy ….
Living in a hole in the ground would expose him to radiation though. I think he must be living in a cloud castle…Although there would be issues with higher exposure to cosmic radiation… nothing a little lead wouldn’t fix…:))
How long would he stay up there with lead protection though, I think he would drop like a lead balloon.
I saw a lead balloon float on ‘Mythbusters’ once.
Is it Cooling or Warming? That is the question!
I wonder if they will ever notice that its only been “warming” since the Little Ice Age – which has temporarily overcome the cooling since the Holocene Optimum?!
[snip -policy violation – sockpuppeting. BANNED. See my comment below – Anthony]
None of which has anything to do with the contents of the email from the nutter.
Sergi, you poor thing. Mr. Mann made his own bed, he can sleep in it. We know he is pushing a fraud.
So are you “thefordperfect” and posting as “sergeiMK” to get around being banned for misbehavior here, or are you just lifting material that “thefordperfect” has posted repeatedly on other sites over the years? Either choice is pathetic.
Do you know if those posters were ever banned? Do you realize that it has been 7+ years since those posts with not a single addition to the list of “death wishes on this very blog?”
It seems “sergeiMK” is just another sockpuppet name for “thefordprefect”.
He’s another useless anonymous troll who thinks his potshots here actually matter.
Banned for policy violations before, this new fake persona is gets the same treatment.
What a jerk.
“theforeprefect” was outed in the climategate emails. The “jerk” that I refer to is [in] fact a Mike Tuppen of the UK.
Here is email 3021:
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date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 10:19:26 +010 ???
from: ???@tuppambr.demon.co.uk
subject: A couple of questions
to: ???@uea.ac.uk
Dr. Jones
I apologise for this intrusion!
Im sure you are aware of the drivel posted on climateaudit
http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=6654#comments
and wattsupwiththat
http://wattsupwiththat.com/
I have posted there under the name of thefordprefect. For a year or so.
A bit of background so you can confirm my name. About 2 years ago I was involved with some robust exchanges on a financial BB (ADVFN) and have been taken to court for defamation – the first judgement (now unfortunately appealed!) is here (my name is Tuppen)
http://www.bailii.org/cgi-bin/markup.cgi?doc=/ew/cases/EWHC/QB/2008/1797.html&query=advfn&method=all
I can post on ADVFN or climateaudit under my pseudonym of thefordprefect to prove my credentials.
I find the current exchange on climateaudit to be very childish and have said so many times. In doing so I have apparently backed your actions and put my interpretation on your statements.
I was therefore hoping that you could reply to these questions. I will if you agree quote your responses (you may also give an off the record response which will never leave my computer (please make it obvious which is available for publication!).
1. In this statement:
I should warn you that some data we have we are not supposed top pass on to others.
We can pass on the gridded data – which we do. Even if WMO agrees, I will still not pass on the data. We have 25 or so years invested in the work. Why should I make the data available to you, when your aim is to try and find something wrong with it.
There is IPR to consider.
Is I have suggested you are refusing to give IPR info to others and have used a bit of humour with the 25 years or so part
Is this an incorrect interpretation on my part?
2. Do you actually have agreements available for some of the data that prevents release to non academics?
Are these paper or email. Since the CRU has been around from the late 80s when the anti AGW were not in existence and data was not being questioned I can understand that these may have been verbal or lost in moves of location.
3. I understand that upward of 200 FOI requests have been made on the CRU the attack being instigated and directed by wattsupwiththat and climateaudit. Do you know the cost to the CRU of processing such a FOI claim?
Whilst I can understand your reluctance to speak on such Blogs I am very concerned that they are actually affecting the populaces belief in GW. If you repeat the same crud often enough it eventually gets copied to other blogs and so on.
By the way I have pointed them to this document
http://eca.knmi.nl/documents/ECAD_report_2008.pdf
Which states that some data is unavailable because of IP agreements with the sources (i.e. they have the same problenm as you) it has been ignored of course!
Thanks
Mike Tuppen (aka thefordprefect)
Goodness gracious, what a whackjob. I wonder how many times Phil Jones facepalmed reading that drivel.
Great investigative trail !
This is the a/h’s blog … http://climateandstuff.blogspot.com.au/
People heading to the Southern hemisphere to avoid the radiation? Has this guy been reading On the beach?
Good pickup. .
For those not in the know, “On the Beach” was a book/movie back in the early 60’s about a nuclear war between the US and Russia that resulted in so much fall-out that it wiped out human life in the Northern Hemisphere.
However, in the Southern Hemisphere life went on for a while . . . because the wind patterns don’t go north/south across the equator, or so the story went. So everybody packed up and headed south.
Eventually, though, the fallout made it to the southern reaches of the earth, and all mankind died.
And the moral of the story was, to avoid that, the US needed to immediately disarm. . . .
China USSR
The movies were better.
Geoff from Melbourne here.
Please be careful how many of you migrate to here.
Acting on the advice of a USA Senator, we have concerns that our island continent will tip from the extra weight and throw us into the sea, which others in the USA assure is is the hottest evah.
What the heck is “global scientist”?
I think…. it is the group of which our writer is charter member…. formed in 1973….. Anthony should consider himself honored that the writer has deemed Anthony worthy of membership.
You mean, … His Globalness, Anthony Watts?
Or perhaps to the author of the hate email a “global scientist” is one whose head and ego are of global dimensions?
More like, glueball dimensions
Janice thank you for the Hamster clip even if I have to play it every five minutes, interspered with the Doobies.
Steve (in Paris): 🙂
Overweight scientists. You know it is time to hit the threadmill when you are called a global scientist.
Aren’t they scientists who study globes?
Like Prof. Sybil Trelawney?
[snip =over the top -mod]
Mod — i admit it was sorta Absurdist. — Eugene WR Gallun
Out of all that drivel, you chose that to highlight?
It obviously means “Scientists worldwide”.
Paul Beckwith got his 15 minutes of fame. I hope it lasts a little longer. However, I doubt that he is enjoying his fame at this point but he got what he asked for.
As far as the little hatemonger who sent the email, he/she clearly blew their cork. I can’t stop laughing!
Oh, he’s done that before! Remember when all the Arctic Ice melted? Paul was there with an entertaining essay.
http://www.archive.sierraclub.ca/en/AdultDiscussionPlease says in small part:
He is going to have a hard time reproducing that fail.
HELP….I’m stuck in the wrong hemisphere and the radiation’s got me!………..
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I do.
“Who the f**k cares if its man made or not!”
I take that as an homage to Hillary Clinton’s famous catch phrase.
Although I hate L Svaalgards attitude Im begining to think the ol XXXX is correct the sun barely changes and has no effect on climate short term.we’ve just had a super cold winter here in central america, but the sun has come out again and the wind from the amazon 30 C today latitude 24 S based mainly on the La nina coming back and re establishing highs over the west coast of Brazil
Well, Eliza, sometimes Dr. Svalgaard’s attitude can be a bit high-and-mighty, but… I really don’t think he wrote that note… “Jesus Dude” just isn’t his style….
On the other hand….. if he smoked a joint…. and had just read one too many vukcevic comments…… (/sarc)
AS IF! #(:))
Thanks for that, Eliza — posting on the wrong thread happens to even the best of us, as you have now shown.
lol 🙂
Thanks, Janice.
I think you nailed how Dr. Svalgaard’s name popped up here.
That’s not from Dr. Svalgaard
hmm? ‘west coast of Brazil’ BTW, I live in Los Llanos de Colombia, with the Amazonas neighboring, and the winds have been quite calm…
That last tectonic plate shift in Chile must have been worse than I thought if Brazil has a west coast.
It is true, you can’t fix stupid.
Many people have moved to the southern hemisphere to get away from the radiation? Is he saying global warming is causing excessive radiation in the northern half of the planet? So much that the masses are fleeing to south of the equator in fear for their lives?
But….but…..but I thought they were supposed to be fleeing in both directions from the equator to escape the areas made uninhabitable by global warming?
Obviously I’ve been misinformed up till now.
When one is “out in the ozone”, it’s easy to confuse the hype about the ozone hole with the hype about caGW.
The ‘ozone hole’ is a major cause of global cooling, witness the refusal of Antarctic temps to rise, and the unending ‘hole’.
For those who have not read Prof Lu’s papers on the formation and moderation of the ozone hole (GCR and bromine and CFC’s etc) it really is worth the effort. Prof Lu is at the University of Waterloo, Ontario. Look for his three papers. There is a pretty funny interchange between him and ‘Eli Rabbet’ attacking Lu on Eli’s blog (Eli comes off as a nitwit).
In short, all the variation in global temperatures since 1950 can be explained by the ozone hole modulation over Antarctica.
Crispin,
I disagree with your evaluation of the little bunny. Halprin comes off as an arrogant nitwit.
Maybe he’s referring to solar radiation, as in radiant energy. The ice extent has been growing at the South Poll, so obviously, it’s getting less solar radiation down under. 🙂
Actually most people are fleeing the Arctic areas in fear of Arctic amplification. Apparently there is only an old guy living now in the North Pole.
I couldn’t have conjured up a better example of what is wrong with the Followers of Heat, and how completely unscientific they are.
“Radiation…?”
“Forget it. He’s on a roll.”
With apologies to John Belushi.
I’m sure I lost a few IQ points reading that.
“……. I don’t see you doing anything except having a web site that no one even knows about…I’ve never heard of you…….” Uhm, yep, so no body knows of the website and s/he hasn’t heard of you but still manages to send you a “blistering” hate mail. As for the rest of it, while I do have a sadistic streak, it’s no fun poking and prodding defenseless little creatures.
The Derp is strong with this one.
Well, it did have a higher level of literacy than most of the people he wants to contact and have circulated in the climate alarmism echo chamber, so it has to be a high B effort. I thought it was my old age dementia when I read about radiation, but then I remembered if you go south of the equator the radiation is counterclockwise so it must not be as bad, or something.
The true believers don’t care what is said or how what the science sounds like as long as it is bad and we just have to do something NOW.
Suddenly global warming is starting to make a lot of sense… 😉
Replace “drugs” with “CAGW hype” and this makes sense.
I like my eggs…errr, brains…scrambled… Oh wait, they already are… 🙂
…I really, really , REALLY wanted to come back with a great retort to this silly rant…but, alas, I was simply rolling on the floor while laughing too hard ! Priceless !
The sad thing is that this is not at all isolated. I have written around a dozen articles on climate change for the local paper over the last 15 years. Many of them are titled” “Special to the Courier”. I was a tv meteorologist here for 11 years, so they present me as an expert………not just somebody writing a letter to the editor with crazy opinions.
Since they started a comments section below all articles at the newspaper online site many years ago, I would bet money that there have been over 100 comments as bad as this particular example of hateful, completely clueless ranting.
After one particular article, my wife was seriously almost in tears because of several especially personal attacks(some people remember me from tv and use that to ramp up the personal element).
She wanted to jump in and defend me but I insisted that she never do that.
A person venting or whose intention is to denigrate, may attract plenty “birds of a feather” but with time(sometimes immediately) it is quite obvious which source has integrity and which one does not…………regardless of who is right about the science.
People who are right about the science because they completely understand it, will almost never resort to such tactics in communicating their position.
“People who are right about the science because they completely understand it, will almost never resort to such tactics in communicating their position.”
That should say “people who are objective about the science and understand much of it but know that there are still many uncertainties”
Nobody completely understands it. Some/many think that they do but I’m not one of them. Sorry for making the previous statement.
To paraphrase the above, only the true believers have stopped asking questions. I come to this site because it has intelligent inquiry and analysis and people who have personal and scientific credibility. I care much more about the corruption of science than I do about this minor warming issue.
Are we sure this isn’t satire sent to Dr. Spencer as his own personal piece of performance art? It is almost too perfectly stupid and cynical to be real.
Never underestimate the power of stupidity.
Yes, I too wondered if it was satire. It just seems too outrageous to be genuine.
“Paul is getting the word out there to people… I don’t see you doing anything except having a web site that no one even knows about…I’ve never heard of you.”
Based on that sentence alone, the guy (or gal) is a class A moron, in addition to being emotionally unstable. So, never mind what “word” Beckwitless is getting out there, it’s the getting it “out there” that’s important. Then the nitwit intones that all AW is doing is “having a website that no one even knows about”, followed by the logic-free statement “I’ve never heard of you”. Clearly, it has no clue about WUWT – either what it does, or its reach, and thus, having itself never heard of either AW or WUWT (almost certainly a bald-faced lie), then it must be irrelevant. But if it’s so irrelevant, then why does it feel the need to go on a rant?
To be fair, the ranter wasn’t talking about WUWT but Dr. Spenser and his site.
Of course, if he’s never heard of Dr. Spenser or http://www.drroyspencer.com/ then why the vitriol?
“Why the vitriol?” My interpretation is that this poster has never read anything from an actual scientific skeptic, and probably is unaware that such creatures actually do exist. He is vaguely aware that “deniers” are out there, but believes them to be solely part of the apathetic public or fossil fuel funded.
Because Roy Spencer is “Dr. Spencer” he must be a scientist and therefore is of course a global warming alarmist. That being so, it is obviously infuriating for Spencer to not to understand the “damage” his lack of enthusiasm creates.
Perhaps the e-mailer is suffering from the “97% consensus” virus? I think the CDC said it effects the brain.
But I could be wrong.
(Dang! I just admitted I could be be wrong! Guess I’m not a “Global Scientist”.)
Since this guy seems to be quite a fan of Beckwith, someone should ask him if he believes that the Arctic ice did melt away in 2013. (However, from my observations I suspect that that sort of thing doesn’t even register with someone like this.)
The warmists like their myths. And any time someone puts out another myth-making video, they spread it around the world as fast as possible. They want other people to believe the myths that support the global warming narrative. Naturally, that means they hate people that try correct their myths and myth-making videos with factual information.
Speak no facts, see no facts, hear no facts.
You’re underestimating the baser tendencies.
A great post !!!
El nino I meant
too late it seems LOL
A better display of the wondrous world of mental midgetry we rarely see …
Probably some karma involved in laughing out loud at stupidity in others.
My mother used to say, ” it’s wicked to mock the afflicted “! But then she’d chuckle just a little.
“Many people have moved to the southern hemisphere to get away from the radiation”
What radiation is he talking about? We may be the land of down under but the sun shines here too.
I worked in a large government lab. Most people had, at least, a bachelor’s degree. Most of my coworkers were liberal Democrats (ugh). There was a collegiate atmosphere in the lab. We had few supervisors, but people just took charge of things — and if you needed help, someone would always come to the rescue, and if you didn’t know how to do something, someone else would, or have a good idea anyway. One of the things that set the people in the lab apart from the general population was — no one cussed. Think that’s one way to differentiate between scientists and others. Heated arguments (which were few) involved many large words, that would send the average folk scrambling for the nearest dictionary.
“ And let’s not throw stones about Donations…You have your own Donation button !!!! Fix it Please…”
Just fixed it. Donation done.
Aw, Vukcevic. You have a good heart. Good for you.
You people that put yourselves on the front line are very brave. Thank you
“Ditto”
This person has clearly blown a gasket and needs help.
Please go down to NAPA auto parts, get a roll of gasket material, and send it him so he can fix his problem.
I would send him a gasket, but he seems distorted and out-of-spec and the gasket will probably have to be cut to fit.
Not sure that there is a head to put on top of the gasket when you place it on the block. Anyway, I think he broke is timing belt.
Well, you can get human heads online – but they aren’t very functional.
Of course, what he has right now isn’t very functional either so people might not notice.
ShrNfr,
I don’t think the timing belt is broken. This person is clearly not running on all cylinders, something a blown gasket could easily explain. A broken timing belt would likely cause serious damage to the head, valves and pistons causing the crank to seize up.
This is a copy and paste of the response I made on my blog. Here is the link which has the pop cultural reference videos and the rest:
http://www.maddogslair.com/blog/paul-beckwith-crosses-the-stream-causing-total-protonic-reversal
Mark Sherman
PAUL BECKWITH CROSSES THE STREAM CAUSING TOTAL PROTONIC REVERSAL
7/2/2016
Saturday silliness – warmist blows a gasket
“I get some hate email from time to time. Actually, not very much. I guess I’m still cruising under the radar.
I wrote about this already but this was too good to miss.
Whatever you do, do not cross the streams!!
In response to my post yesterday criticizing Paul Beckwith’s post about the allegedly unprecedented crossing of the equator by jet stream winds (a post which, after much criticism, he has since modified), I received a heartfelt email (reproduced below) asking me to, ummm, back off on my criticism.
This email I received yesterday is rather disturbing because I fear it reveals the low caliber of scientific knowledge that exists out there. Too many people are too easily fooled by pseudo-scientific ramblings which can go viral and cross the globe in a matter of hours. This cuts both ways in the global warming debate, as frequent readers of my blog know I have banned people on my side of the argument for pushing too hard on what I consider to be bad science (e.g. the claim that there is no such thing as the “greenhouse effect”).”
CAGW true believers are easily fooled by pseudo-scientific ramblings? Say it ain’t so!
“Even Jason Samenow from the Capital Weather Gang posted agreement with me that there is nothing unusual about winds at the jet stream level moving back and forth across the equator. Jason also quotes other PhD-level atmospheric scientists in that article.
So, I’m just going to leave this here…I was tempted to answer many of the points made below, but I think it will be more enjoyable for regulars here to take a shot at it.
What A way to treat a fellow scientist. Who the f**k cares if its man made or not! Paul is getting the word out there to people…what are you doing? I don’t see you doing anything except having a web site that no one even knows about…I’ve never heard of you. Paul Beckwith puts a lot of hard work and time into trying to raise the issue…You however are a disgrace to global scientists! Or do you not agree this is an emergency? This one video finally caught some attention and you have to f**k it up…Idiot! We NEED for this to be news so maybe, just maybe something will be done! This video has gone viral…let it be! You have made up lies about him and tried to discredit him…why would you do that??? Many people have moved to the southern hemisphere to get away from the radiation…because this was NOT supposed to happen. You need to take down what you said from your web site! What is happening is dangerous and people need to know…too many people already do not believe GW is real…they need to prepare! They need to know! Jesus Dude…What’s wrong with you? And let’s not throw stones about Donations…You have your own Donation button!!!! Fix it Please…
And….discuss!”
I’ll bite, and stand in for the good doctor.
It’s the Deputy Undersecretary, for the Assistant Bully to the Grand Poobah Bully, popping off. Yeah, yeah, yeah your dad will beat up my dad, I know, simmer down short shanks. I enjoy how the dim bulb thinks that “Paul” is a demigod, and how his bloomers get twisted when someone who has a website “that no one even knows about” says something slightly contra the CAGW canon. For a minute there I though his bloomer twist cut off the blood supply to his brain, then I remembered . . .
“What A way to treat a fellow scientist. Who the f**k cares if its man made or not! Paul is getting the word out there to people…” Whut?! I thought the whole point is – “man made!” Because if not, I can take my victory lap right now and go home and not deal with you. How else would one treat a “fellow scientist?” He says something, I disagree, because he is wrong, so I correct him. It’s how it’s done. Welcome to adulthood, it is a world of liberty, which means freedoms tightly tethered to responsibilities. You see I have responsibilities here to point out errors, and inform my “colleague” of his error. Paul has indeed been getting the word out to the people, the false word to the True Believers. This is always a bad idea.
“Paul Beckwith puts a lot of hard work and time into trying to raise the issue…You however are a disgrace to global scientists! Or do you not agree this is an emergency?” Name dropper! And, no, not so much. Humans are raising the temps, finding the human signal is proving exceedingly difficult, it seems the forcing, and mediating effects in the system work properly. Cult of Personality much? Go read the link, you need it!
Skeptics Guide to Anthropogenic Global Warming_v1.0.pdf
Then comes the penultimate scene from Invasion of the Body Snatchers, “You have made up lies about him and tried to discredit him . . . why would you do that???” I take it you are standing stalk still, mouth open, pointing! Yeah, I thought so.
Hahahahahahahahahaha, really, that’s what you got? When my children were toddlers they had better game. If that’s all you got, hit the floor, kick and pound because anyone with a child of middling intelligence faced better than that. Sheesh.
“Many people have moved to the southern hemisphere to get away from the radiation…because this was NOT supposed to happen.” Oh, right, well that accounts for all those people bums rushing the US and European borders, then, right?! Sorry, the wife just walked by, smacked my on the head, and learned me, WE ARE NORTH! Got it. Could you send me a list of the names of all the people bums rushing the South?! Pretty please. I haven’t seen this surge. You can’t stop the signal, but perhaps it got lost in the ether. When it comes to dodging radiation, I usually just keep the trunk lid closed.
“You need to take down what you said from your web site! What is happening is dangerous and people need to know…too many people already do not believe GW is real…they need to prepare! They need to know! Jesus Dude…What’s wrong with you? ”
Actually, Paul took down what he said from his web site, because what he said was stupid. Let me know if you are getting this, I can speak more slowly. My problem? Hey, my problem is critical thinking, and a functional inability to form beliefs, and the associated attachments. Yours? Right, just the opposite. Dude, I’ll throw you a bone GW is real, but CAGW is not real, the whole running around hair on fire, hands over head screaming like the Wet Bandits in Home Alone is “right out” to mix, and steal a movie metaphors.
Please keep mashing my donation button.
And please, write often. This was fun.
The popular culture references:
You will have to pop on over to the blog for the vids.
http://www.maddogslair.com/blog/paul-beckwith-crosses-the-stream-causing-total-protonic-reversal
“Actually, Paul took down what he said from his web site, because what he said was stupid.”
OMG! His website is now blank!?
I’ve just got to bookmark his site for those times when I’m on the Web but don’t want to be bothered reading anything, I can now go to a blank site.
/grin
One can dream!
Man, this “dude” stuff is getting out of hand. From “The Glop and Mule” of Canada on the recent meetings up that way with Obama: “Dudeplomacy’ on show between Trudeau, Obama”
Quite a how do you dude if you ask me.
Don’t dude that again!
Bad puns will be punished by flogging with a wet noodle in the pubic square.
Check the “Glop and Mule” for their UNEP connection.
This person exhibits the perennial outrage of the typical Green\left, driven by the overwhelming fear that someone, somewhere, somehow, might someday be successful and make a PROFIT!
Oh yes, we need to get something done. The attitude that anything goes for something is the core problem of fixing assumed catastrophic anthropogenic global warming by doing things that either 1) change nothing (disconnect your mobile phone adapter so save evergy) 2) cause serious damage (move production to third countries that use primarily coal) 3) move large sums of money without efficient outcome (wind energy subsidies) or even 4) will kill people (all talk about serious reduction of energy use or reduction of agricultucal efficiency)
Oh please don’t do something. Do the right thing.
“….do you not agree this is an emergency?……We NEED for this to be news so maybe, just maybe something will be done! This video has gone viral…let it be! …….Many people have moved to the southern hemisphere to get away from the radiation…because this was NOT supposed to happen. …..What is happening is dangerous and people need to know…too many people already do not believe GW is real…they need to prepare! They need to know! Jesus Dude…What’s wrong with you?”
Alarmism rant at its finest! If they didn’t have the internet, this ‘dude’ would be stood at the side of the road with a placard stating “The End Is Nigh!”
I believe this is the sort of afflicted person ‘care in the community’ is for.
Billy Madison – Everyone in this Room is Now Dumber
I need to record that for quick access! Invaluable!
Awesome! That’s Great!
Wait,… what ??…… does this mean I’m no longer the dumbest person in the room ??
Umm, never mind.
Young man, you have been prepared and protected from the depredations of nature all of your life. It might be interesting for you to understand the science and engineering behind everything you now take for granted. Just look at everything in a hardware store or a grocery store. Ask yourself “How did this all get here?” From the ore in the ground to the item on the shelf–it is a wonderful story.
The older I get the more I thank God every morning for things that work, and esp. for people who make things that work. The catastrophe will be to lose those people. Worthless wind turbines–you have got to be kidding me.
There is a wind and solar developer in both the U.S. and Canada with connections to POTUS and a Board member of the UN SE4All.
The above is a Chicago based wind and solar developer.
Sustainable Energy For All/SE4All
Executive Committee includes:
Andrew Steer, also Pres. & CEO of World Resources Institute/WRI
http://www.se4all.org/about-us_executive-committee
UN Sustainable Energy for All
No thank you.
Board members include John Kerry
@Barbara.
I would say something about that organization and their board, but it would probably come out sounding like the email-writer who is the subject of this post — possibly worse.
I did read in a draft for the rio +20 cop that there was a new “human right to sustainable energy.” That insufferable Boomer Kerry would be irresistibly attracted to some new way to betray and asset strip his own country, wouldn’t he.
Zeke, did you happen to notice that the Chair.of Royal Dutch Shell is on the SE4All Executive Committee? Tim Wirth is there too.
Possible reason Shell has not been included in any action by those engaged in the Exxon affair?
The Shell Foundation is on the $1 million or more donors list at the WRI/World Resources Institute.
http://www.wri.org/about/donors
Big Oil?
Barbara says, “Did you happen to notice that the Chair.of Royal Dutch Shell is on the SE4All Executive Committee? Tim Wirth is there too.
Possible reason Shell has not been included in any action by those engaged in the Exxon affair?”
No ma’am I did not see that. I looked up the Board of Directors and only recognized Lurch.
Thank you for the follow up. And all of your excellent posts as well.
The way I see it, all of our businesses are likely under tremendous pressure to adopt the new rules or face bad press. Some of the companies have probably withstood the unreasonable demands for worthless product changes, and the higher prices.
But at least WUWT and others were able to catch what was being done to Exxon.
Shell has not been selected for green rancor, you are right. Very selective application of prosecution.
Roy Spencer overstated:
The Beckwith’s post now reads:
It used to read:
I don’t think he changed anything else!
See http://wermenh.com/images/jet-equator.jpg for a screen-cap of the first part of Beckwith’s original post that I captured soon after Roy posted about it.
Betteridge’s Law applies.
Wrong thread ??, I thought we were trying to make jokes.
So he’s coming clean….sort of.
Instead of a claim the Arctic is now ice free…oops…Instead of a claim that the Jet Stream has never crossed the Equator, he’s moved a word and added a question mark to imply it never has.
Weasel.
the person who sent the email, a woman, at least signed her name. Kudos for that.
Well, based on the average of those that have given this hate mail a grade, she has earned a C+ grade.
”I don’t see you doing anything except having a web site that no one even knows about…I’ve never heard of you.”
You might need to introduce yourself.
Eamon.
Damn cobalt thorium G. https://youtu.be/aSlf2vB80lo
Good movie, haven’t seen it in a long time. I’m going to have to watch it again.
The unhinged zealots who write hate filled messages to “save the world” are suffering from drug addiction or mental illness: perhaps a combination of both. This is my opinion.
Maybe they are only uninformed ?
Doug S says, “drugs”
It would be interesting to know if this person is on psych medication, or a so-called recreational drugs.
And sincerity or gullibility in an activist can still get a lot of people killed. Just look at the history of the intellectual revolutionaries in Europe during the 1900’s.
Sincerity is no guarantee of truth.
We need somebody a lot smarter than me, to put together an article on the brain, neural chemicals and getting high from psychological reasons. I just come across bits and pieces that I can never find again. So a quick summary.
Believing we are superior and getting outraged makes us high and we like it. Entertainment is full of righteous outrage stimulation.
We see other people high on righteous outrage and mob mentality starts.
Job 1 is to get high, 2 is to stay high and 3 is to get higher. Examples
We feel good when our team wins and we are saving the climate from humanity.
It is an outrage that people are not trying to save the planet.
If they try to take away our high by telling us we are wrong then we double down on the righteous outrage.
Is there a drug that can get people higher than a rioter and leave their coordination and senses in good working order?
..”Job 1 is to get high, 2 is to stay high and 3 is to get higher.”
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I guess, but the thing you really need to avoid is the hangover.
Good luck with that.
1. Loaded like a freight train
2. Flying like an airplane
3. feeling like a space plane
(Courtesy of Guns N’ Roses, Appetite for Destruction, Nightrain)
There are two:
1. Power
2. Money
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btw: nice summary of the warped personality disorder obviously operating here — Narcissistic-Histrionic-Borderline, perhaps? “Troubled” would seem to cover it.
The short answer is, I think, that these people are still unable to distinguish their worldview from their worth as a human being. To maintain psychological stability, they need to always support the “right” side, the Victims, against the “wrong” side, the Oppressors.
They never use any more intellect than that to arrive at a decision
Thus the people arguing for action on climate change believe they are supporting Victims (Gaia, the Third World, the poor) against the Oppressors (white male capitalists, Fox News, the Koch Brothers, Big Oil etc).
On every issue, they take the same Victim v Oppressor stance. Trump is an Oppressor, so are the people who voted for Brexit, those who oppose gay rights etc etc etc.
The even shorter answer is: these people haven’t grown up yet.
It’s a very emotional kinda thingy Dude so what part of that don’t you get?
Paul Beckwith reminds me of the Woody Harrelson character in the movie ” 2012″
http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/blog/2015/07/12/extinction-geotectonics-of-dinosaurs-homo-saps/
Anthony! I hope you will share this person’s contact info with the FBI. He should be on the “no fly” list!
This is a troll….not true and valid hate mail. Every line is just weird enough to be real but the non-sequiturs are too frequent and constantly go to a differnt point. Could almost be AI generated. (Assumed Intelligent).
“I don’t see you doing anything except having a web site that no one even knows about…I’ve never heard of you…”
Wattsupwiththat.com has several thousands of regular readers, gets mentioned by both side of the ‘debate’ and it’s a ‘web site that no one even knows about’.
I think my irony meter just overloaded.
Beckwith’s video refers to the RobertScribbler.com blog as his source about the impending doom of a minor jet stream gyre crossing the equator. Scribbler’s article about this is here:
https://robertscribbler.com/2016/06/28/gigantic-gravity-waves-to-mix-winter-with-summer-wrecked-jet-stream-now-runs-from-pole-to-pole/#comment-84352 Scribbler’s headline mentions gravity waves, but the article says nothing about them, only about waves in the northern jet streams. His claim that the seasons are “wrecked” is hilarious. Based on that and other hyperbolic article headlines, Scribbler appears to be a 350.org or Grist style Progressive zealot, and as such, is unreachable. His commenters seem to be exclusively of like mind, probably due to Scribbler’s moderation policy. The commenters include some of the regulars from Grist, RealClimate, and some of the alarmist types from Judy Curry’s and Bishop Hill (eg. WebHubTelescope and EntropicMan). The echo chamber effect is in full swing. It’s kind of funny to read in small amounts.
I posted several questions to Scribbler. I was polite, but challenged the science that got Beckwith worked up. Scribbler killed it in moderation. I also followed up with a second set of questions that were a bit more provocative, asking if his Progressive politics informed his scientific conclusions, or if he considered himself a Malthusian or a misanthrope (in the clinical sense). That post never got out of moderation, either. In my first post, I had mentioned that Beckwith’s video was featured here (under a very fair headline about it’s stupidity). I had not yet read Roy Spencer’s post on this subject, yet, but have now.
If Scribbler and Beckwith are becoming more representative of the quality of articles in favor of CAGW alarmism, I may become slightly more optimistic.
“Many people have moved to the southern hemisphere to get away from the radiation”. LOL!!
OMG! Here I recently moved south out of Minnesota to get away from that very radiation and lo and behold, I didn’t get far enough south! What shall I do?
OK, twist my arm. Crack open another Red Horse it is. That will cure any radiation that follows me.
Very good advice which I don’t always follow:
“It’s not fair to get into a battle of witts with an unarmed person.”, and
“When you argue with a dumwit, soon bystanders can’t tell who is who.”
Dr. Spencer: just one minor suggestion. If you changed, ” Too many people are too easily fooled by pseudo-scientific ramblings which can go viral and cross the globe in a matter of hours.”
to
“Too many people are too easily fooled by pseudo-scientific ramblings which can go viral and cross the equator in a matter of hours,” it would make for a nice inside joke.
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I have a theory about these types of cranks. They must have boring lives. They desperately want to live in exciting times where they have a chance to be a hero, do a noble deed, be right about a major event when everyone else is wrong, or at least be a sympathetic victim. They do not take kindly those who threaten their hopeful scenarios of mayhem, forcing them to consider that they are doomed to live an uneventful, meaningless existence.
The real problem is that the person appears to be ‘sincere’ which makes him a “useful idiot” (look up the origin) for the “CAUSE”. He is a religious zealot, and you cannot reason with a person who “WILL NOT EXAMINE THE EVIDENCE”.
“JesusDude”
That invocation should reminds us. When you mess with the faithfuls’ donation plate offerings, you mess with the installation of the stained rose-colored glasses in the mosqchurchtemplegogue of the Holy Off the Wall Rollers, and that is playing with glacier melting fire.
He’s right. And those people moving started moving to Southern Hemisphere decades ago.
900 went to Jonestown.
More recently many others are going to the southern Hemisphere and walling off small towns in order to defend against the walking dead.
We need to get the word out.
Don’t forget the “Heaven’s Gate” crowd (1997), they got off the planet …
http://www.historyandheadlines.com/march-26-1997-ufo-comes-39-souls/
I had taste of the true believers’ attitude recently, when I joined my wife and her friends for coffee. My wife exasperated by my views, has let has slip about my scepticism to these friends in the past. In the chatter about the Brexit referendum, I made a remark about EU energy policies. I was swiftly rounded on: “Oh, you’re a climate denier”. “That’s just not up for discussion” . There was real distress in their voices. A few minutes later ..”The ozone hole is healing, isn’t that good”. Self restraint on my part was the order of the day. I wanted to ask what they thought a ‘climate denier’ was, but didn’t, out of politeness.
Did I do wrong?
How has it become socially unacceptable to dissent?
Sounds like there’s a market for “Handling Climate Dummies for Dummies”.
“too many people already do not believe GW is real…they need to prepare! They need to know! Jesus Dude…”
Sounds like a manic street preacher to me.
GW could stand for anything: God, the Second Coming, the End of the World, the Martian Invasion, the zombie apocalypse…
This guy probably thinks he is not religious, but I always get a wry smile out of people invoking Jesus to add emphasis to their own personal sin/death/salvation narrative.
Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahaha
Lamest email ever, dripping with angst and that frustration of trying to explain without knowing anything about what you are trying to say.
lots of ???? and pretty weak and totally unsupported assertions.
A keeper this one.
Chalk this up as another human made a simpleton by the church of climatology
And he says no one knows this site baaaahahahahahahaha
Dude! You should have fled with all those “…people (who) have moved to the southern hemisphere to get away from the radiation….” It’s the radiation, Dude! The radiation has fried your brain! Wrapping yourself around the pant-leg of Paul Beckwith ain’t gonna’ save you! Once you start foaming at the mouth, it’s too late to run.
I classify the warmist community under 3 groups: the true believers, the opportunists, and the useful idiots. For this guy I might need to create a fourth group: useless idiots.
That seems like a valid classification, William R.
(I am s-o-o-o stealing that one.)
That was good … LOL
Not only do I wear a tin hat, but have an EDS strap as well. In addition, the room I never leave, has a copper halo and has grounds running from it out the height of the house. I can see where this guy’s brain got a short circuit.
Besides, the important people read this site. Obviously he isnt.
ESD strap maybe? (Electro Static Discharge)
Of course.. sorry auto correct does that. I have to proof read several times. You would think I was not able to write at all. The last sentence is an example, I changed the wording, it kept putting in ill-fated. Sometimes it’s good, and sometimes it’s what? Aft error I hit send. After…. not aft error.
This is what happens when OJ Believers venture into reading their science pages.
No words.
LEAVE PAUL ALONE!
http://www.google.ca/search?q=youtube+leave+britney+alone&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&client=safari
Who exactly is this “Paul” I’m supposed to leave alone ?
I don’t do “click-bait”.
For a person who hates to see big oil companies getting rich while polluting the world, the theory of global warming is manna from heaven. After decades of having to base their fight on visible, tangible evidence of how pollution is damaging our planet, pollution that will go away relatively quickly if you stop polluting, they now finally have a much longer term, more obtuse weapon that can be shaped with fear tactics to seem much worse than pollution. This glorious theory says if you don’t stop the advancement of oil companies NOW, we will have an unsolvable problem in twenty to fifty years. How bad? Well thats where Al Gore and his “you must exaggerate to get the public’s attention” approach comes in. While these predictions are based on scientific principles they don’t want any debate on the scientific aspect of global warming, because ultimately their reasons for supporting global warming activism is not a concern about the effects of man warming the planet, it is for the reason that they want to shut don’t big oil companies by any means necessary. I’ve always supported the development of alternate energy sources, solar power seems like a clean logical way to go for instance, but the economics of supplying energy to the planet has to be balanced against giving people a chance to live a higher quality of life. Blind support of policies that try to limit global warming seem like the biggest hazard this world is facing related to climate science.
It sounds like the rants we get here on so-called comedy panels late at night.
Incidently, the guy lives in the Western hemisphere. Here in the Eastern one people move to the north for the better life.
This is actually pretty mild. My Linux on the Mainframe series for Linuxworld many years ago drew nearly 3,000 pieces of hate mail including death threats and one, on a major corporate CIO’s personal letterhead, delivered to my home by fed ex. All of them, of course, were devoid of technical argument and all of the opinions expressed by them in support of IBM have since been disproven – but I have yet to see a single apology.
There is a real proclivity, when faced with a perceived problem that you don’t really understand, and don’t have any real means of dealing with, to do ‘something’ – any random act that may or may not even be related to the perceived issue at hand – to ‘raise awareness’. It feeds the need to be proactive. Often these little side-tangents become whole new issues all by themselves – symbols, even of the primary headline-issue.
Watching patterns repeat is scary, sometimes.
https://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=AwrSbp3ZsnpXEWQAmOJXNyoA;_ylc=X1MDMjc2NjY3OQRfcgMyBGZyA3lmcC10LXMEZ3ByaWQDYmNPVzhpNTdUVktnMmk3SUJSTmxDQQRuX3JzbHQDMARuX3N1Z2cDMARvcmlnaW4Dc2VhcmNoLnlhaG9vLmNvbQRwb3MDMARwcXN0cgMEcHFzdHJsAwRxc3RybAMyOQRxdWVyeQNhbGR1cyUyMHNub3clMjBkbyUyMHNvbWV0aGluZwR0X3N0bXADMTQ2NzY1OTQ3OA–?p=aldus+snow+do+something&fr2=sb-top-search&fr=yfp-t-s&fp=1
(Sigh) In just a few short years, this person will of voting age. Rather frightening…
I went home to Ireland recently and met a mate that had been in Canada for the past 4 years, he had a meltdown when I disagreed with him on “global warming”, refused to discuss any facts “I cant confirm what you say so I am not discussing it” he kept saying, refused to discuss it yet got so mad that I disagreed.
This is the measure of the average warmunist, clueless and almost religious about the subject, and aggressive towards any challenge to said theology. I was shocked a grown man was that stupid.
If you are going to blow a gasket, make sure it is someone else’s.
“Many people have moved to the southern hemisphere to get away from the radiation”
Say what??????
I was shaking my head over that one too. Of course, one must remember, an emotional rant doesn’t have to make sense.
Maybe we haven’t done enough nuclear tests in the Pacific islands.
Re: MarkW July 5, 2016 at 7:13 am:
“Many people have moved to the southern hemisphere
See this post (NATURALLY RADIOACTIVE SAND ON THE BEACH):
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/07/02/saturday-silliness-warmist-blows-a-gasket/comment-page-1/#comment-2251401
I kinda liked it.
Anyone who terminates more than a few sentences with exclamation marks in a single paragraph and punctuates their comments with unnecessary bile is, likely, an emotive, ignorant, unhinged, hyperventilating arm-flapper who should be studiously ignored. People who understand an issue, who grasp facts clearly and in a manner whereby each point is given an appropriate weight in their discussion, have no need of performing this infantile type of “pounding on the floor, screaming and crying” rant.